Speaker Simulations? - Audified Mixchecker
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- The Audified Mixchecker
It’s a cool tool, but don’t think that you will become a grammy award winning engineer from it (it only helps you discover your mixing errors - it doesn't mix for you).
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I would like to highlight that the mixchecker is indeed handy in other work areas. TV post production, or things like app development.
For post production? 149 USD for 12 presets is still too expensive.
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+Ruday Media required is a big word... It is good to do if you want to make sure that you quality standard is high enough
White Sea Studio yeah I understand what you mean. Thanks for replying I appreciate it a lot.
The only real mix checker is a car... In reallife
Beats basteln :3 that and playing the render on the phone.
Damnit my car's broken
$150 for a couple of EQ presets is a bit expensive.
So much time and effort on such a useless piece of software! Of course nothing should surprise us nowadays :P Do you really think that's all there is to it?
Love the conpany and their message, they are trying to help all of us engineers and in no way am i down talking their awesome plugin. However, i do this as is - check mono - flip your master bus pan nobs so they are straight up (now its mono) , check for earbuds - use the common apple white ones, you can check on your phone by emailing it to yourself, want to check your low end (put a filter on your master bus and cut it down to 200 hz so you only hear the low end) -(dont forget to removr it when done checking low end) love the plug in havent got it yet though, love this review been wanting to test it 💪🎶🔥
Two other plugins I know like this are: Beyerdynamics Virtual Studio (different listening environments simulation) and X-Audio MyBino (monitors simulation and binaural monitoring up to 48 outputs). Both are free.
It doesnt necesarilly have to be an exactly matched simulation to give a useful representation of a generalised situation. Not all cheap plastic pc-speakers sound the same, but there is a common and recognisable factor of degradation of the sound. Same for a car environment, all cars are different, but there is a recognisable common character to sound when you listen in a car. The 'simulated' speakers arent even my first choice to use, Im much more interested the phone/tablet (mono I asume), the car and pc-speaker situations and I dont care if its a Mercedes or a 2CV, if I can hear a decent generalised representation of what a car environment will do to the shape of the sound, this might be a very usable tool. Im curious, Im gonna check out this one
They should post a video on what went in to making this plugin. So that we have a better idea as to why the price is so high.
I've been binge watching your channel for 2 days now, good stuff
People keep saying that it's "just an EQ". It's not using EQ, it's using convolution (correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see a reason to do this any other way) - so it's actually taking the decay time that each frequency has into account as well. You could compare it to something like a convolution reverb. They could also add the harmonic distortion from the speakers if they wanted to, but the distortion is probably really minimal. It's bound to be there, though. Also, I'm pretty sure that the transient response would be accounted for in an impulse response.
E: Now that I think of it, the distortion would play a bigger role with the smaller speakers (phone, tablet, etc.), but not really with larger monitors where the distortion components are almost non-existent. It would be a breeze for a regular acoustics engineer to get that modeled though. More buttons simulating different levels of driving of the speakers should be added though, that'd actually be really handy.
Love the new concept! Would love too see more Snake Oil-videos like this.
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Best thing I came across is Sonarworks Reference 3. It gives you a graphical reference and different presets to go with. Both headphones, speakers and they do room calibration kits too.
Sonarworks Reference 3- headphone calibration! Please create a video on this bro.
From what I can hear, it appears they have only modelled the EQ response and not the nonlinearities in the systems sampled. The EQ response sounds like an EQ curve approximation because of the narrow notch cuts that can be heard. If they were able to sample the devices at all volume levels and model different types of nonlinear distortion present in each system, it would be a much better approximation. The big issue then is compensating for the specific monitors you're using, otherwise there's no point. The compensation they have is simply 5", 8" and headphones, not specific studio monitors.
I still think the best way of doing it is the more expensive way - buy reference monitors, cheap laptop, use phone audio, use cheap in-ear headphones, car system, television speakers, etc.
i have a handful of IRs set up with a convolution reverb plugin to create my own "mixcheckers" including funktion ones and auratones. Can be useful for hearing things from a different perspective, but yeah, they can't be 100% accurate since they are stacked with the playback speakers' tone. Getting additional pairs of actual speakers seems far preferable.
I use it as a creative effect by blending some unprocessed signal. I i like the color some presets are adding.
It's too expenssive but i like this plugin still
I really like the free one made for use with headphones called Virtual Studio from Beyerdynamic. Though it's different. It's a room simulator. Only has a handful of choices to listen to, which is great. Very clever way to test if something might dissapear to much or sound to harsh in other inviroments.
Toneboosters do also have a very affordable room simulator for headphones called Isone, which is part of a bundle for 40€. And they do also have another good one that simulates other headphones called Morphit for 30€. But those 2 plugins have a lot of choices, which might be to much. But still you could get those 2 plugins plus the free one from Beyerdynamic for half of the price of this one :)
Should do an update with mixchecker and mixchecker pro, see if it’s improved at all in 2 years
I did it, watched all your videos I found relevant, consider me a Patron in the nearest future! Top quality from the very start
This should be called 'Zombie Miss-down'!!! TryIng to achieve a generic mixdown on this would drive me insane. Engineers used NS-10's because they imaged the mid range with roll off at eaxh end. A bit like an upside down smiley. So if you put that e/q curve on your output buss and mix to make your track sound as good as poss' you probably will get a generically good mixdown and not a miss-down! I would also use a freq' analyser on your track and the same on an imported ref' track like Voxengo Span and a stereo analyser. Otherwise skip the torture phase and get the track professionally mastered!!! 😢
Just rewatched that, There is a cheaper / smaller version, which I got for 25€ I think. I just check for mobiles and cars and only at the very end. Used that way, it's not a bad thing.
By the way, I flatten my monitoring with Sonarworks before.
But one thing is Snakeoil in that plugin: If you only have a crappy set of headphones or speakers, you can't simulate studio monitors with them. But for lower quality devices, it can provide some hints.
Don't need this I just put songs online and then glisten through all of the many devices I think matter. This formula has a missing and important value.
"I only wanna hear the bass on my phone." "" F U" LOL
8:48 Exactly.
Thank you for your great videos! Are your Avantone Cubes active or passive?
MCabinet does speaker sim. just found out. name should've provided a clue. This is a good video with subtle tricks of the trade. I think they are trying to make a universal style mix these days and they sort of abandoned the idea of just making a good production and want something more "translatable" between systems. So if there is no audible bass they would simply dub a fake bass or synthesize elements on top of the bass to reach the phone frequencies. I came up with the idea to make something called "stereo cell". Which is a cellphone but with good micro speakers instead of those horrible cell speakers. Nobody is focused on that stuff for some reason for several decades now. BosePhone :)
My problem is that in my somewhat unreliable mixing space, I always end up mixing my songs way too bassy. I was hoping this speaker simulation would simulate a hifi speaker which tends to have quite a bit more bass than my monitors tell me in my room, but it seems this does the opposite and takes the bass away :/
hey man you can give that money and I'll make you those Eq preset settings
What was that @ 7:14??? LOL Nicew Vid!
Instead of this, I'd pay $ 495 for Speakerphone 2 by Audio Ease. Which IS a professional product.
This is a toy, and I've never paid more than $ 20-30 for any of my toys.
great review!
I need to get in on this plugin making business if something like this can go for more than $100
Is it me or this guy used to be less rough. He comes off as more considerate in this video.
He grows on people regardless.
this would be better sold as a pack of phase-matched stereo impulse responses.
Damn that Classic Cube preset sounded bad, hihats turned to shit with that one haha
How you can work with so long reverb in your room? Sounds horrible.
I appreciate the review and I agree with you. What's bugging me is the ringing around 225-230Hz in your control room. It sounds almost like the ringing in a bathroom. Is that the camera mic or is there no treatment in your control room?
You sound soooooo dutch, haha. But it's ok :P
It seems to me that this plug is really confusing, I second your avantone advice!
this wouldn't make sense unless they made speakers for it.... but like ns10's... will once it is mixed right, it will sound the same on all the rest of the speakers they are simulating? not the phone laptop ect ovi
On sale now for $29 USD.
I have the genelec 1031a. Should I keep them or sell them? Great video. What’s your opinion on them?
9:13 LOL
The "iPad" simulation was not even close to an actual iPad on which I was listening this.
since the software does not measure the source sound of the speaker this is jsut a impulse response collection ... soooo idk it is like a preview, but not accurate
these reviews are devastating :P
3:31 ... thats the point i have with many audiophile engineers ... its like they say "you need this speakers and that room condition to get a perfect mix" ... but none of the people who actually buy the music will ever listen to it in a perfect engineered room or with good speakers ... isn't it the more important job to get the mix sound good in a poor environment ?
Yes, but what you're saying is the same as saying "so many people listen on their iphone speakers, we should use iphone speakers as main monitors"
you're probably going to forget your 808 if you do that
How are you getting on with the Mixcubes? I haven't used them in stereo yet, just been using one in Mono so far ;)
I tried it but didn't find it helpful
Try and find a Focusrite VRM box instead - I use a secondary computer, choose VRM as soundcard and plug the VRM to a speaker. www.musicstudios.co.nz
what does snake oil mean please?
BAM!
I am not your opinion regarding neutrality of speaker/ rooms. In my opinion it’s the upmost condition to have in your listening situation: you HAVE TO linearise/ compensate your setup! This doesn’t only mean measure and EQ speakers with pink and white noise at 1W/m, you also have to modify your room with acoustic measures.
I am not mixing or working in studios atm but sure as hell is even my personal living room optimized via DSPs ( built in Pioneer LX59 for floor Speakers and Antimode for Subs). My setup ( totally different story though, it’s 7.2.2) isn’t only optimized for linearity, rather for music vs movies.
In another Video you mentioned that you are also a professional mastering engineer (...), so you normally would know when and how these speaker plugins work and that they are no voodoo( snake oil). Is RTFT also snake oil? What about convolution reverb with downloadable peak impulses from different real rooms? The same is with speaker simulation.
The best way to use them is in post production for movies and reamping guitars. Revalver, AmpliTube and... are very good at this and far away from voodoo.its totally straight forward and a easy to comprehend algorithm/dsp behind this: you take a guitar cab, run a signal into it and record it with different microphones and angles. This way you ca eliminate the difference in microphones and angles and you can compute a compensation curve for each microphone and speaker... and it works relatively well like the real thing.
In a similar but more complex way they do it with valve amps and effects. Ever heard of Kemper Amp ?.....
2:23 ... yeah thats the point, how can they simulate something, when they dont know my sound conditions (speaker, room etc.) ?
Check it in your studio, your car, your headphones and one or two other sets of speakers both good enough and even shitty. Sound good across the board? You’re done. For free I might add
what if you used mixchecker allong with sonarworks reference to get rid of your own setups color?
I think ToneBoosters Morphit is best... and less money...
I like it but it's too expensive imo.
Yes many bysnys with plugin is "shit" old same algorithm, and only new interface and design. And many plugin make only basic stuff. Product in this video is like fake....? Thanx man.
Snake oil!
The main point is at 10:05
F-U? So das the way go on the videos now huh?
I saw this video after I bought the plug-in. Honestly, I think it's awful. If I play a mix in my car, and it sounds ok, it sounds awful in this plugin. same with my laptop, same with my stereo. This plugin basically tells me my mix sounds awful in every scenario, only when I play it for real, it's ok. These simulated environments are nothing like reality in my opinion.
Paranoia in a box!
Ns-10’s are garbage.
This is terrible terrible software imo. Just use the real things! Most people have them.
yes i agree, you can check all of this at your home with real things, and yes they have nothing in comun in result with this horrible plug in