I love my ATC 3619 (36' version of same trailer) - however I have a slide in the bedroom - which is really nice with the King size bed - not needed with the standard queen size bed. One thing to note about ATC toy haulers - you showed ATC stated pin weight (3000#) without a generator and with a generator for the 4023 ATC states it is 3,300 lbs. - however in the real world they are pin heavy and may be as much as 4,500 lbs. fully loaded for a 4023 - so this is a dually trailer for sure. My 3619 is supposed to be 3,000 lbs. of pin weight with generator - mine empty was closer to 3,300 lbs. With stuff in front lower pass through cabinet and a few things under the bed - I was north of 3,500 lbs. Fully loaded with RZR Pro R, 200 gallons of water, fuel, propone, stuff, food for a week trip I weighed in at 16,800 lbs. for trailer at CAT scale - which is max capacity for the trailer - pin weight was 3,900 lbs. +/- - so my rear axel rating was under duress! Even aluminum trailers get heavy quick with stuff and water! I converted the Curt 5th wheel to a Reese 20k Goosebox on mine and it further enhanced the towing, which was already great. No question ATC makes the best toy haulers (I had a 2419 bumper pull for 2 years prior to moving up to 3619), but they are pin heavy and while you can tow a 3619 with a SRW 1 ton truck - you will be at capacity on rear axel and payload - so dually is really in order for 3619 and for sure for the larger models (4023, 4319 and 4528). Last thing for those looking the "model number" of each ATC - the first two numbers are the length and the 2nd two number are the size of the interior garage!
The tie down system is the same as used in Aviation...and this IS a game changer. I'll buy an F450 to haul this sucker and I'll live in it full time! Josh, this is what I've wanted to see...
I have the 25ft bumper pull Game Changer and after owning it for almost 2 years now, one thing I can say is will all the aluminum and composite materials, it NEVER gets musty. I've been in some older RVs that smell like a dirty sock, not ours. I'm always refresh to go in there after it has been sitting for several month and it smells as fresh as the day we bought it.
If I had the money I'd get this or one like it and customize it into a full living space fifth wheel with giant living room, expand the kitchen a little and use the ramp part as a convertible 3 seasons room. I love these trailers, I've lusted after these for years. Oh about tire scrub, don't pull it like its some light weight little camper. This is special, treat it as such. My father was an 18 wheeler truck driver, every trailer is different, you learn with experience. Btw, love your work Josh. I so look forward to every video you post and also, I saw ATC triple axle through the window of another fifth wheel video you made and thought. . . "PLEASE do a review on that one!" Thanks Josh!
I didn't have time to get to another ATC when I was there beyond that flyby of the travel trailer you saw The other one you spotted is nearly identical to this but has a small closet slide in the bedroom
@@JoshtheRVNerd Well thanks so much Josh! You're the best! Stay cool out there and don't over exert yourself. Please turn the A/C's on to the RV's you review so you don't have to suffer. It's just too hot in those in the summer time. Outside it can be 100 and inside one of those with no AC it can be 130! Don't get heat stroke!
I had no idea that they made something like this. I had heard of them at some off road convention videos. Very cool, with all that metal I would be curious on how well it did in fall camping for hunting. Very cool and look forward to seeing more. Also side note, every time I think I got my decision nailed down I go and see something new, cool, and worth paying attention to. You are one hell of a salesman. I have a feeling if I went to a Bish's they do such a good job selling product my indecisive brain would start to overload and eventually just have a m-m-m-mega overload. lol P.S. that isn't on Bish's, I just have a hard time choosing for big purchases. lol
I’ve seen one of these in a TT on a different channel about six months ago. This is the first fifth wheel. Personally I think it’s better than the other brands on that lot. This is your second RV the first time. Keep’m coming
Hey thanks for putting an ATC RV up!! I have been drooling over these for years! The seating might not be as luxurious as the standard toy hauler, but I bet they are made to be long lasting and durable. Able to take a few pet claws and still be nice. (Dogs) Camping with family and or friends and the toys is still one of the best experiences I’ve ever had! We didn’t care about how luxurious it was, we were too busy laughing to notice!
Great trailers. As long as you don't camp where it's really hot. Or really cold. The insulation is the only complaint I have heard about these trailers. I really like them.
They also offer recliners that can be attached to the airline track system. I have seen some laid out very nicely. My ATC m4023 has an in-floor winch and 9,750 cargo capacity and 23’6”of garage space for my jetski/golf cart or Jeep/motorcycle. Nice to be able to bring the toys and they change the layout to living space
Holy cow! If I needed, or even wanted, a toy hauler this would be the one I'd be drooling over. I love seeing things that are this well-built. I'm going to have to check out and drool over the rest of their line up. I'm not their target market but I can still appreciate their stuff.
Josh, you are truly the best. Your efforts in your videos are truly appreciated. I have gained much from watching your videos. Keep up the great work and I wish you continued success in your career!!!! Thanks for all that you do.
Imagine the possibilities! Easily move your own furniture and equipment inside thru the garage door to suit any mission or camping scenario. Put a huge freezer if going hunting for a month. Man!! This is the Swill Army Knife of RVs!
If you want something tough to haul toys with, it would be hard to beat an ATC. I ran across this brand online a few years ago, they intrigued me then and they still do,
I've been thinking about one of these for years. YEARS! The southwest is the toy-hauler capital of the world. We have seen a thing or two. And ATC knows what toy hauler people need, other OEMs should take note. *Enough fresh water to fill a lake. (5-7 days at the dunes requires more than 50 gallons of water) *Dual fuel tanks. (ALOT of people are running E-85 or Race fuel for their toys. HUGE waste to run a generator off of that. Not to mention you will be short on fuel during a hot trip) *Grey water tanks that don't fill up after 1 shower. (SUPER BIG annoyance with other brands. The shower will be BY FAR the biggest consumer of grey tank space. Why put 30 gallons under it? And yes, we are forced to travel with full tanks here.) *Triple AC! (Ours only has two 15k AC units, and when we are beat up and it's time for the 2pm nap, the unit will NEVER cool down enough. Our friends who have triple AC are ready to go after a few wobble pops) *Heat in the garage! (I've owned a few toy haulers. Many have zero vents or one afterthought vent out of the way. It does NOT cut it on a chilly night.) *Garage that can fit (and carry) anything *Enough cargo capacity for a small moon *Simplicity all around! (unlike a park model or "camper", Less is more on a toyhauler) *And much more! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A few misses- For the price, I would think they would include a healthy 7KW generator to run the airs. But they don't even include the standard 5.5 that can't run all 3 AC units. The good news is, with the cargo space and capacity, I would pick up one of hobo-freights new 9K inverter generators. They are QUIET. Shower is a bit small looking for a 41 footer. One day I hope to be able to afford one.
Oh snap. I didn't know this existed. That's awesome that there is still someone making aluminum skin rvs. I've been looking a lot of safari motorhomes from the late 80s and the 90s and with that alu skin and paint they often look better then fiberglass rvs 20 years newer. Edit: their website shows people loading lifted jeeps into these things. If this is built to handle the weight of a car rather just something like a side by side that makes it extremely interesting.
This is the most epic RV I've ever seen! All metal, huge fifth wheel, and NO slides?! Awesome multi-use spaces with the back porch too! SWEET! Definitely need that ladder to go all the way up, and way more solar on the roof. Aside from that the only thing missing is a Stargazer skylight, lol. It must cost a small fortune though and I can only imagine the kind of behemoth necessary to tow that mountain. So cool though, thank you for showing it to us.
I have never seen this kind of Rv before. It’s pretty awesome. I like it. It’s different with the cabinetry. But it’s nice. It sleeps a lot of people. I think it’s nice. Not too bad. It has flaws with the ladder. But other than that it’s fine. Thank you Josh for shoeing this one.
There's a local RV repair shop I use from time to time that sells only ATC or used trailers. So I managed to check them out occasionally. Very well built, but they are limited to mostly campers after toy haulers. If you can live without slideouts, that is the toy hauler for you. I never saw that model before Josh, so thanks for the video.
I would like to see some walk throughs on the new 2023 ATC 5th wheel floor plans. I’ve seen a couple videos on the 2023, but nothing in depth like what you do.
Great video! But I really would have liked to see the roof in detail. I love the no-nonsense industrial design - So tired of all the Cracker Barrel RVs with wood cabinets and curtain treatments! I'm considering this model or the ATC-3619 for full-time living. ATC: 1. Add three season glass doors to back patio, 2. Add exhaust fan/vent to stove-top 3. Add a little side patio.
If that ladder wasn't insanely sketchy, then I likely would've gotten you up there. Theres NOTHING to hold onto to get up to the roof from the ladder. I about half-tried it and went "nope" real fast
Doesn't look comfy and inviting. It doesn't scream, "take your shoes off and stay a while." Cold and utilitarian. 6:02 I FRIGGIN LOVE WHEN YOU DO THAT!! Wait,the kitchen at 2:00 is different than the kitchen at 6:51 . Are these 2 different models? They are wrong for that tiny little shower.
Impressive! It's so industrial & solid! Not looking for a toy hauler, but this is great. Would love to see what this company does with a regular trailer; Really like the quality & versatility shown here
So This was my first look at an ATC. I would say that it's not as "fancy" as say a Grand Design, however....The construction In this case trumps "fancy" I'm a toy hauler guy so this is right up my alley ! Thanks for making me drool! LOL
I was looking at the Grand Design Momentum and then read about the “frame flex” issues. That on top of a 3,000 lb max ramp capacity and all the issues on RUclips had me running, not walking away from Grand Designs
I've been looking at these for years. I love the trac system, the open floorplan, the movable wall, and the aluminum construction which will make it last a long time. What i dont like is the lack of slides.
this is what i would want from a 5th wheel toy hauler. or super close cause i would want another bath if possible. and wood cabinet doors wouldnt bother me because if they was to get damaged later on those can be swapped out easy enough. the composite ones are fine though. i really like the garage space and the no slides even though they do open the RV up more. i wouldnt want the fuel tanks either. that is just my preference. ohh i really like the garage floor and track system. plus the removeable "rugs"/mats . good vid you are almost to 200k subs grats
Unbelievable Josh. You are a pro with these reviews and they are enjoyable. As for this fifth wheel. The interior visually appears cold. Not literally cold but just the all metal cold look. I'm presently restoring a 1998 Sunline Solaris of which the entire rear section rotted out from failed plumbing vent boots. The trailer came from Western NYS so picture snow and rain flowing onto the ceiling The entire bathroom needed gutting. I would have welcomed an all aluminum framing and composite camper in that case. I'd have to sell my house to afford this fifth wheel.
Yeah it’s metallic and not warm inside for sure. This company comes from a history of things like cargo or horse trailers I think so that’s the kind of “bare bones” mentality I think they use
I'm pretty excited about the prospect of an all aluminum trailer. This thing is clearly targeted to the part of the market that prioritizes maximizing garage space. Would be great to start thinking about other parts of the market that an all aluminum trailer appeals to. Imagine an Airstream with a garage. Airstreams appeal to me as they have no slide outs to reduce maintenance issues. But, ATC can do one step better and allow me to embrace the future by carrying an electric vehicle. Imagine having the abiilty to carry something like the Arcimoto electric vehicle but still have a great living space with no slides, a ton of solar, no gas station complexity for the toy hauler needed. Arcimotos are 113 inches long and only 61 inches wide. Drop all of the complexity of the toy hauler gas station elements and jack up the solar and battery capacity of this rig and this can be laid out to be a pretty sweet couples trailer. This would appeal to many people who want to minimize their climate footprint and have an easy way to have something smaller than the tow vehicle to explore with. A few things that would make this more ideal for this market would be an insulated door/wall system where the cargo door opening is to improve the livability/usability of this interior space for full time livers like many toy haulers offer. We'd want to use the cargo door as a balcony space and that system I see in the brochure doesn't look appealing to a full timer. In the living area, all we need is a couch/pair of theater seats facing an entertainment setup and as good of a kitchen as you can fit and a good bedroom up front. We would then setup the dining area and office in the garage - would be best to have an insulated wall between the garage and the rest of the RV. On this model, I like that they offset the bathroom sink but ATC should take advantage of that by having some drawers. If you budget a smidge over 10 feet for the garage, a thoughtful layout through the remaining 30 feet would be interesting.
Josh that's awesome 😊 sweet rig ATC that has to be the strongest best belt 5 wheel ever all aluminum smart 🤓 company love it looks like a beautiful picture on a wonderful day love it Josh 👍✌️
i think they should move the ladder to the front and make it so you would use the tow vehicle to access it! would make it not as worrysome about getting up and over, like the 2006 gearbox i currently have with 16' of floorspace. Something well built like this will likely be my next transition
I sure am seeing a lot more of these on the road and in campgrounds around Oregon. Becoming pretty popular for only recently entering the rv market after a rich history in horse trailers. Sure don’t hear of any warranty issues on these. Im sure there must be some but it’s essentially a non issue for this product.
Unfortunately there are a lot of videos out there on warranty and quality control issues. Partly due to the RV market frenzy, so hopefully ATC will address.
I have a local dealer and I’ve looked at a few models. Very impressive in some ways. Very 1990’s Holiday Rambler in other ways. (Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing). Definitely a niche product in the $100k-$180k price bracket.
Im at about 9 minutes and im wondering if you could fit a race car in this bad boy? The length seems to be there but what about the width with those fold up seats? Will it fit an average sized race car like a mustang? This would be awesome if you travel cross country with a race car and team. Everything on the inside is pretty durable with the aluminum construction so it should be mechanic certified. It may not be the cozy wood/farmhouse decor and carpet but it is purpose built to last when you work hard and play harder. It just seems built to be fulltime and last forever or darn close to it!!
As usual, Josh, you do a great review. However, I would appreciate at the end an MSRP on the unit reviewed (noting options included in that price) and an actual sale price at the time the video was made. It would enhance the value of your presentation.
I did a video about why I don't include pricing recently here: bit.ly/3HrvBVN Short answer: It doesn't _stay_ accurate and sets people up to feel like they've been hit by a bait and switch.
This is the Graf Zeppelin of travel trailers/fifthwheels Josh and the first in depth video review that I recall seeing on the ATC brand RV's. TOTAL WOOHOO WOWEE WOO WOO Josh. Thanks so big for this fantastic rig to look at...I'm swooning, will in Florida
I'm curious how an all-metal unit compares to more traditional build. If you'd be down, I'd love to see an experiment: An ATC and however many equivalent units (same rough size and layout) built more traditionally. Same area on the lot. Cool them all to 70 degrees, then turn off the air and see how quickly the temps rise in each one.
We love you Brother. What’s the chance of you doing a review of the atc 450 toy hauler 2016 ? Is there anyway of getting a poster or something of you? I run a RV Park in Florida and love to see our guest reactions.
Not impossible but I don’t run into these often so not likely soon For “stuff” see nerdherdstore.myshopify.com/ for stuff like my camp flags and whatnot
I wish they made these in a straight roof instead of a drop. If they did they could put some under storage in it. These are not customizable like ATC used to be. They are nice toyhaulers but you better have rollers on the rear with it sitting that low or you will tear out the rear.
HOLY COW!!!!!!! Just wow!!!!! I don't need anything that big or toy hauler, but, WOW!!!!! I didn't know about these. I would buy a new truck for that thing and spend the extra money!!!!! THANKS FOR SHARING!!!!! Love this one!!!!!
I have so little experience with them that I don't feel well qualified to weigh in on those topics for you. Apologies Joan. I would recommend speaking with our team at or Junction City, Oregon store where this was recorded. They should have better insights for you on that.
Wish they had a shorter, 30ft or less model. I love the idea of no slides and no wood. Water damage has historically been my biggest problem with RVs. I'm just a bit concerned about how well this would do in extreme heat or cold. It's basically a big insulated tin can.
Ive done the research. A lot. It is the best built toy hauler on the market. You pay for it but its worth it. Resale is excellent. Its going to outlast you. Aluminum roof doesn't need any maintenance.
Thanks for another great video! Do you think I would be in trouble with this fully loaded with water, toys, etc being pulled by an F-250 with airbags attempting steep, higher altitude Canadian Rockies' mountain passes?
Josh I think this is the Most innovative design I've ever seen in a 5th wheel or any RV Trailer, I really like this one! 😊😊😁👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 ATC' ON TO SOMETHING with all aluminum build!😁😁👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 as always Great Work Josh! 😁😁👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Hi Josh, this is off topic for this video, but I am hoping you, and only you will be able to do what you do best, is a review of the new and I feel improved Geo Pro 19FD. Thank You Sir, Dave
I’ve seen some of 19 FDS. I’m looking to see the return of the low profile ac, maybe with a soft start option. The HVAC on a digital thermostat. A 2inch receiver on the rear. Also solar pkg. options. You know, not much, just everything!! LOL Thanks Dave 👍🌴👍
They're not using an industry standard chassis, no. The roof interestingly isn't traditionally walkable -- no real decking. It's basically like a horse trailer in that regard. It's a full metal roof with very VERY little upkeep required.
I've not seen one with a patio but I won't claim to know everything about these. I think a generator is an available option but as you saw in this they're not standard.. oddly
I love the construction, but I’m sorry to say that the words “comfort and livability” are the last 2 words that come to mind, and this is the 1st $188,000 trailer that I’ve ever seen with a shower curtain☹️☹️☹️
Since I bought my RV at Bish's I have had nothing but problems. Now no one seems to answer their phone. Did I get a better price with you because this RV had problems? I was so happy when i bought it a month ago. Now not so sure
ATC is the "Transformers" of RVs... Its a garage It is a heavy duty enclosed hauler It is a Travel/5th Wheel Trailer It is Built like a tank It may not save the world but it sure will protect your hide and your toys and is about as close to a true lifetime RV that money can buy
My brain got stuck on what a beautiful campground ish dealership this is....Hookups Too? Picnic tables too? I have never seen any dealership this nice. I'm stunned. Yes the 5th wheel toy hauler is beautiful but I'm just in awe of the dealership. Wow.
It’s really going to depend on the specific measurements involved here. Senseless can vary I’m not sure I can really say one way or the other confidently
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I love my ATC 3619 (36' version of same trailer) - however I have a slide in the bedroom - which is really nice with the King size bed - not needed with the standard queen size bed. One thing to note about ATC toy haulers - you showed ATC stated pin weight (3000#) without a generator and with a generator for the 4023 ATC states it is 3,300 lbs. - however in the real world they are pin heavy and may be as much as 4,500 lbs. fully loaded for a 4023 - so this is a dually trailer for sure. My 3619 is supposed to be 3,000 lbs. of pin weight with generator - mine empty was closer to 3,300 lbs. With stuff in front lower pass through cabinet and a few things under the bed - I was north of 3,500 lbs. Fully loaded with RZR Pro R, 200 gallons of water, fuel, propone, stuff, food for a week trip I weighed in at 16,800 lbs. for trailer at CAT scale - which is max capacity for the trailer - pin weight was 3,900 lbs. +/- - so my rear axel rating was under duress! Even aluminum trailers get heavy quick with stuff and water! I converted the Curt 5th wheel to a Reese 20k Goosebox on mine and it further enhanced the towing, which was already great. No question ATC makes the best toy haulers (I had a 2419 bumper pull for 2 years prior to moving up to 3619), but they are pin heavy and while you can tow a 3619 with a SRW 1 ton truck - you will be at capacity on rear axel and payload - so dually is really in order for 3619 and for sure for the larger models (4023, 4319 and 4528). Last thing for those looking the "model number" of each ATC - the first two numbers are the length and the 2nd two number are the size of the interior garage!
The tie down system is the same as used in Aviation...and this IS a game changer. I'll buy an F450 to haul this sucker and I'll live in it full time! Josh, this is what I've wanted to see...
This should be industry standard construction.
At almost $200k, there wouldn’t BE an industry if this was standard. It’s really really cool but it’s also expensive.
I do feel that fussy people might not like the industrial look of the cabinets too.
@@RomansFiveDotEight probably costs 50k to make
@@KingofallHacks lol, 50k in just aluminum, no labor...
@@davidc.9933 aluminum is 2500 a ton so that must be using a lot of it then
I have the 25ft bumper pull Game Changer and after owning it for almost 2 years now, one thing I can say is will all the aluminum and composite materials, it NEVER gets musty. I've been in some older RVs that smell like a dirty sock, not ours. I'm always refresh to go in there after it has been sitting for several month and it smells as fresh as the day we bought it.
Thank you so much for sharing this. Might really help some other people.
If I had the money I'd get this or one like it and customize it into a full living space fifth wheel with giant living room, expand the kitchen a little and use the ramp part as a convertible 3 seasons room. I love these trailers, I've lusted after these for years. Oh about tire scrub, don't pull it like its some light weight little camper. This is special, treat it as such. My father was an 18 wheeler truck driver, every trailer is different, you learn with experience. Btw, love your work Josh. I so look forward to every video you post and also, I saw ATC triple axle through the window of another fifth wheel video you made and thought. . . "PLEASE do a review on that one!" Thanks Josh!
I didn't have time to get to another ATC when I was there beyond that flyby of the travel trailer you saw
The other one you spotted is nearly identical to this but has a small closet slide in the bedroom
@@JoshtheRVNerd Well thanks so much Josh! You're the best! Stay cool out there and don't over exert yourself.
Please turn the A/C's on to the RV's you review so you don't have to suffer. It's just too hot in those in the summer time. Outside it can be 100 and inside one of those with no AC it can be 130! Don't get heat stroke!
@@LookUpTheKalergiPlanWhitePeeps lol a little sweat won’t kill me :)
I'm not into toy haulers, but if I was, this ATC would be at the top of the list. It's a veritable Swiss Army Knife of RV's! Very nice, indeed.
I had no idea that they made something like this. I had heard of them at some off road convention videos. Very cool, with all that metal I would be curious on how well it did in fall camping for hunting. Very cool and look forward to seeing more. Also side note, every time I think I got my decision nailed down I go and see something new, cool, and worth paying attention to. You are one hell of a salesman. I have a feeling if I went to a Bish's they do such a good job selling product my indecisive brain would start to overload and eventually just have a m-m-m-mega overload. lol P.S. that isn't on Bish's, I just have a hard time choosing for big purchases. lol
I’ve seen one of these in a TT on a different channel about six months ago. This is the first fifth wheel. Personally I think it’s better than the other brands on that lot. This is your second RV the first time. Keep’m coming
Things like this are why I keep watching RV videos. I'm super intrigued.
It's nice to see something new as well
Hey thanks for putting an ATC RV up!!
I have been drooling over these for years!
The seating might not be as luxurious as the standard toy hauler, but I bet they are made to be long lasting and durable. Able to take a few pet claws and still be nice. (Dogs)
Camping with family and or friends and the toys is still one of the best experiences I’ve ever had! We didn’t care about how luxurious it was, we were too busy laughing to notice!
It's THAT personal experience you learn to value the most I think
Great trailers. As long as you don't camp where it's really hot. Or really cold. The insulation is the only complaint I have heard about these trailers. I really like them.
At the 17:50 mark , “JTRVN wanted to say; “does this awning make my trailer look big”?!!!! 😂
hahahaha
Very impressive! 👍 My dad would have loved this. He was all about function & durability.
I am similar. Function over fashion
They also offer recliners that can be attached to the airline track system. I have seen some laid out very nicely. My ATC m4023 has an in-floor winch and 9,750 cargo capacity and 23’6”of garage space for my jetski/golf cart or Jeep/motorcycle. Nice to be able to bring the toys and they change the layout to living space
Holy cow! If I needed, or even wanted, a toy hauler this would be the one I'd be drooling over. I love seeing things that are this well-built. I'm going to have to check out and drool over the rest of their line up. I'm not their target market but I can still appreciate their stuff.
Kinda how I felt. Nothing I would ever purchase but 100% something I could enjoy going thru from time to time
Josh, you are truly the best. Your efforts in your videos are truly appreciated. I have gained much from watching your videos. Keep up the great work and I wish you continued success in your career!!!! Thanks for all that you do.
TY so much :)
Imagine the possibilities! Easily move your own furniture and equipment inside thru the garage door to suit any mission or camping scenario. Put a huge freezer if going hunting for a month. Man!! This is the Swill Army Knife of RVs!
You're like the 3rd person that used that exact same phrase!
Wow, very interesting and so cool!
Thank you! Cheers! Hope you're doing well in Texas buddy :)
If you want something tough to haul toys with, it would be hard to beat an ATC. I ran across this brand online a few years ago, they intrigued me then and they still do,
I've been thinking about one of these for years. YEARS!
The southwest is the toy-hauler capital of the world. We have seen a thing or two. And ATC knows what toy hauler people need, other OEMs should take note.
*Enough fresh water to fill a lake. (5-7 days at the dunes requires more than 50 gallons of water)
*Dual fuel tanks. (ALOT of people are running E-85 or Race fuel for their toys. HUGE waste to run a generator off of that. Not to mention you will be short on fuel during a hot trip)
*Grey water tanks that don't fill up after 1 shower. (SUPER BIG annoyance with other brands. The shower will be BY FAR the biggest consumer of grey tank space. Why put 30 gallons under it? And yes, we are forced to travel with full tanks here.)
*Triple AC! (Ours only has two 15k AC units, and when we are beat up and it's time for the 2pm nap, the unit will NEVER cool down enough. Our friends who have triple AC are ready to go after a few wobble pops)
*Heat in the garage! (I've owned a few toy haulers. Many have zero vents or one afterthought vent out of the way. It does NOT cut it on a chilly night.)
*Garage that can fit (and carry) anything
*Enough cargo capacity for a small moon
*Simplicity all around! (unlike a park model or "camper", Less is more on a toyhauler)
*And much more!
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A few misses-
For the price, I would think they would include a healthy 7KW generator to run the airs. But they don't even include the standard 5.5 that can't run all 3 AC units. The good news is, with the cargo space and capacity, I would pick up one of hobo-freights new 9K inverter generators. They are QUIET.
Shower is a bit small looking for a 41 footer.
One day I hope to be able to afford one.
I'm nodding along to everything you've typed here. All feels spot on and TY for sharing :)
Oh snap. I didn't know this existed. That's awesome that there is still someone making aluminum skin rvs. I've been looking a lot of safari motorhomes from the late 80s and the 90s and with that alu skin and paint they often look better then fiberglass rvs 20 years newer.
Edit: their website shows people loading lifted jeeps into these things. If this is built to handle the weight of a car rather just something like a side by side that makes it extremely interesting.
9,750 lbs cargo capacity, triple axle is absolutely amazing. 😍
This is the most epic RV I've ever seen! All metal, huge fifth wheel, and NO slides?! Awesome multi-use spaces with the back porch too! SWEET! Definitely need that ladder to go all the way up, and way more solar on the roof. Aside from that the only thing missing is a Stargazer skylight, lol. It must cost a small fortune though and I can only imagine the kind of behemoth necessary to tow that mountain. So cool though, thank you for showing it to us.
Truly my pleasure! I wish I had more time to go thru them in more detail
I have never seen this kind of Rv before. It’s pretty awesome. I like it. It’s different with the cabinetry. But it’s nice. It sleeps a lot of people. I think it’s nice. Not too bad. It has flaws with the ladder. But other than that it’s fine. Thank you Josh for shoeing this one.
There's a local RV repair shop I use from time to time that sells only ATC or used trailers. So I managed to check them out occasionally. Very well built, but they are limited to mostly campers after toy haulers. If you can live without slideouts, that is the toy hauler for you. I never saw that model before Josh, so thanks for the video.
My pleasure! This one was super fun to go thru
Wow!! First time hearing and seeing this brand. I think I’m in love lol. Thanks for sharing Josh⚒⚒👍👍
It's so good! Th Ted
I would like to see some walk throughs on the new 2023 ATC 5th wheel floor plans. I’ve seen a couple videos on the 2023, but nothing in depth like what you do.
I just don’t get a lot of chance to see them. Hopefully can get some more coverage soon
Great video! But I really would have liked to see the roof in detail. I love the no-nonsense industrial design - So tired of all the Cracker Barrel RVs with wood cabinets and curtain treatments! I'm considering this model or the ATC-3619 for full-time living. ATC: 1. Add three season glass doors to back patio, 2. Add exhaust fan/vent to stove-top 3. Add a little side patio.
If that ladder wasn't insanely sketchy, then I likely would've gotten you up there.
Theres NOTHING to hold onto to get up to the roof from the ladder. I about half-tried it and went "nope" real fast
Hey Josh! We just ran into Amber from Bish’s at the Salem Oregon RV show. We really liked the ATC all aluminum 2816. We really liked it!
Awesome thank you for sharing
Doesn't look comfy and inviting. It doesn't scream, "take your shoes off and stay a while." Cold and utilitarian. 6:02 I FRIGGIN LOVE WHEN YOU DO THAT!! Wait,the kitchen at 2:00 is different than the kitchen at 6:51 . Are these 2 different models? They are wrong for that tiny little shower.
No you're spot on. It would require some personalization to "warm up" in side
Wow - what a beast, but incredibly well built. And yes, that dealership with the ‘campground’ feel is superb.
Impressive! It's so industrial & solid! Not looking for a toy hauler, but this is great. Would love to see what this company does with a regular trailer; Really like the quality & versatility shown here
That’s pretty cool! Definitely utilitarian.
So This was my first look at an ATC. I would say that it's not as "fancy" as say a Grand Design, however....The construction In this case trumps "fancy" I'm a toy hauler guy so this is right up my alley ! Thanks for making me drool! LOL
That's exactly the impression I had as well. Not fancy. 100% BUILT
I was looking at the Grand Design Momentum and then read about the “frame flex” issues. That on top of a 3,000 lb max ramp capacity and all the issues on RUclips had me running, not walking away from Grand Designs
I've been looking at these for years. I love the trac system, the open floorplan, the movable wall, and the aluminum construction which will make it last a long time.
What i dont like is the lack of slides.
GameChanger Pro 4528 has the kitchen and bedroom slides. You don’t want any slides in the garage area
I think I'd run a stainless steel chain thru the hem of that shower curtain to keep it inside of the shower pan.
It’s the best one I’ve ever seen.
Great job, as always, Josh. That thing is Monster! It would be towing Godzilla.
this is what i would want from a 5th wheel toy hauler. or super close cause i would want another bath if possible. and wood cabinet doors wouldnt bother me because if they was to get damaged later on those can be swapped out easy enough. the composite ones are fine though. i really like the garage space and the no slides even though they do open the RV up more. i wouldnt want the fuel tanks either. that is just my preference. ohh i really like the garage floor and track system. plus the removeable "rugs"/mats . good vid you are almost to 200k subs grats
Yeah subs count is cruising along. I haven't been watching it this year like I did last year though. Just letting it do it's thing
Unbelievable Josh. You are a pro with these reviews and they are enjoyable. As for this fifth wheel. The interior visually appears cold. Not literally cold but just the all metal cold look. I'm presently restoring a 1998 Sunline Solaris of which the entire rear section rotted out from failed plumbing vent boots. The trailer came from Western NYS so picture snow and rain flowing onto the ceiling The entire bathroom needed gutting. I would have welcomed an all aluminum framing and composite camper in that case. I'd have to sell my house to afford this fifth wheel.
Yeah it’s metallic and not warm inside for sure. This company comes from a history of things like cargo or horse trailers I think so that’s the kind of “bare bones” mentality I think they use
I'm pretty excited about the prospect of an all aluminum trailer. This thing is clearly targeted to the part of the market that prioritizes maximizing garage space. Would be great to start thinking about other parts of the market that an all aluminum trailer appeals to. Imagine an Airstream with a garage. Airstreams appeal to me as they have no slide outs to reduce maintenance issues. But, ATC can do one step better and allow me to embrace the future by carrying an electric vehicle. Imagine having the abiilty to carry something like the Arcimoto electric vehicle but still have a great living space with no slides, a ton of solar, no gas station complexity for the toy hauler needed. Arcimotos are 113 inches long and only 61 inches wide. Drop all of the complexity of the toy hauler gas station elements and jack up the solar and battery capacity of this rig and this can be laid out to be a pretty sweet couples trailer. This would appeal to many people who want to minimize their climate footprint and have an easy way to have something smaller than the tow vehicle to explore with. A few things that would make this more ideal for this market would be an insulated door/wall system where the cargo door opening is to improve the livability/usability of this interior space for full time livers like many toy haulers offer. We'd want to use the cargo door as a balcony space and that system I see in the brochure doesn't look appealing to a full timer. In the living area, all we need is a couch/pair of theater seats facing an entertainment setup and as good of a kitchen as you can fit and a good bedroom up front. We would then setup the dining area and office in the garage - would be best to have an insulated wall between the garage and the rest of the RV. On this model, I like that they offset the bathroom sink but ATC should take advantage of that by having some drawers. If you budget a smidge over 10 feet for the garage, a thoughtful layout through the remaining 30 feet would be interesting.
Josh that's awesome 😊 sweet rig ATC that has to be the strongest best belt 5 wheel ever all aluminum smart 🤓 company love it looks like a beautiful picture on a wonderful day love it Josh 👍✌️
i think they should move the ladder to the front and make it so you would use the tow vehicle to access it! would make it not as worrysome about getting up and over, like the 2006 gearbox i currently have with 16' of floorspace. Something well built like this will likely be my next transition
I sure am seeing a lot more of these on the road and in campgrounds around Oregon. Becoming pretty popular for only recently entering the rv market after a rich history in horse trailers. Sure don’t hear of any warranty issues on these. Im sure there must be some but it’s essentially a non issue for this product.
funny I mentioned having my own background in horse trailers and seeing the similarities in the flooring. Guess I wasn't far off the mark!
Unfortunately there are a lot of videos out there on warranty and quality control issues. Partly due to the RV market frenzy, so hopefully ATC will address.
Wow, very industrial looking, almost seems like a laboratory on the inside. That payload is by far is the most I've ever seen.
I never would've imagined something ever having more cargo capacity than some RVs weight in their entirety
Holy cannoli, a huge no slide trailer😍😍😍 hot dog I think I’m in love.
First time seeing ATC. Didn’t even know they existed and I like it!!
I've known about them, but I had never had my hands on one until this
I have been wondering if you'd get around to any ATC stuff, their travel trailers always look very tough!
I have a local dealer and I’ve looked at a few models. Very impressive in some ways. Very 1990’s Holiday Rambler in other ways. (Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing). Definitely a niche product in the $100k-$180k price bracket.
I have bin looking for a none slide fifth wheel for ever love this one
Would love to live in the aluminum fifth wheel trailer. It was awesome.
It was certainly something fun and different to go through
I appreciate ya! Great video. Again. And again. Lol
I didn’t know these existed. 😍
Seems they've been a surprise to several people
Oh, a dance floor in an RV!
...you're not wrong!
Im at about 9 minutes and im wondering if you could fit a race car in this bad boy? The length seems to be there but what about the width with those fold up seats? Will it fit an average sized race car like a mustang? This would be awesome if you travel cross country with a race car and team. Everything on the inside is pretty durable with the aluminum construction so it should be mechanic certified. It may not be the cozy wood/farmhouse decor and carpet but it is purpose built to last when you work hard and play harder. It just seems built to be fulltime and last forever or darn close to it!!
Over 9k cargo capacity. I don't see why it couldn't work
Tire sccrub wear? Rotate the tires front to back. every so often. As to the rest of it? Not my cup of tea, but pretty awesome.
Rarely do rv tires ever wear to the point you have to even worry about it. Rv tires tend to age out instead of wear out
I think I like this one. My be in my future. I don't like many but I do like this one
As usual, Josh, you do a great review. However, I would appreciate at the end an MSRP on the unit reviewed (noting options included in that price) and an actual sale price at the time the video was made. It would enhance the value of your presentation.
I did a video about why I don't include pricing recently here: bit.ly/3HrvBVN
Short answer: It doesn't _stay_ accurate and sets people up to feel like they've been hit by a bait and switch.
very nice. thank you RV Nerd
Our pleasure!
This is the Graf Zeppelin of travel trailers/fifthwheels Josh and the first in depth video review that I recall seeing on the ATC brand RV's. TOTAL WOOHOO WOWEE WOO WOO Josh. Thanks so big for this fantastic rig to look at...I'm swooning, will in Florida
Enjoy! :)
Why am I thinking about Breaking Bad while watching this. Pretty cool camper.
I'm not sure because they never had anything this nice!
Crazy nice monster !
Very!
I'm curious how an all-metal unit compares to more traditional build. If you'd be down, I'd love to see an experiment: An ATC and however many equivalent units (same rough size and layout) built more traditionally. Same area on the lot. Cool them all to 70 degrees, then turn off the air and see how quickly the temps rise in each one.
We love you Brother. What’s the chance of you doing a review of the atc 450 toy hauler 2016 ? Is there anyway of getting a poster or something of you? I run a RV Park in Florida and love to see our guest reactions.
Not impossible but I don’t run into these often so not likely soon
For “stuff” see nerdherdstore.myshopify.com/ for stuff like my camp flags and whatnot
I wish they made these in a straight roof instead of a drop. If they did they could put some under storage in it. These are not customizable like ATC used to be. They are nice toyhaulers but you better have rollers on the rear with it sitting that low or you will tear out the rear.
Now this is more like it no wood at all . I wish I had use for something like this .
this been a dream rig for me the price just high and never see one on used market
I’ve seen one used ATC actually on my home lot. Ever. Just the one lol
HOLY COW!!!!!!! Just wow!!!!! I don't need anything that big or toy hauler, but, WOW!!!!! I didn't know about these. I would buy a new truck for that thing and spend the extra money!!!!! THANKS FOR SHARING!!!!! Love this one!!!!!
My pleasure. These are crazy fun
Thanks for sharing and WOW! this is pretty impressive! What kind of price are we looking at?
Looks like we have some listed here bit.ly/3QMVu6C
Hey Josh, I’ve admired these ATC’s for awhile now. I’ve wondered about insulation and sound deadening. Any info on that?
I have so little experience with them that I don't feel well qualified to weigh in on those topics for you. Apologies Joan. I would recommend speaking with our team at or Junction City, Oregon store where this was recorded. They should have better insights for you on that.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks so much Josh.
Color me tickled - no possible way this would have any plaid in it. LoL This is such a unique utility RV. Great review Josh.
Comes only In one shade of GUNMETAL
Wish they had a shorter, 30ft or less model. I love the idea of no slides and no wood. Water damage has historically been my biggest problem with RVs. I'm just a bit concerned about how well this would do in extreme heat or cold. It's basically a big insulated tin can.
lol great description
Reminds me of a Navy Destroyer, very sanitary.
Ive done the research. A lot. It is the best built toy hauler on the market. You pay for it but its worth it. Resale is excellent. Its going to outlast you. Aluminum roof doesn't need any maintenance.
Thanks for another great video! Do you think I would be in trouble with this fully loaded with water, toys, etc being pulled by an F-250 with airbags attempting steep, higher altitude Canadian Rockies' mountain passes?
The fully loaded weight on this is beastly. I don’t know that a 3/4 thru demanding terrain would pair up well
Now i need to sell my home and go full time 😅
I’m wondering if getting a wi-fi or cellular signal inside is next to impossible.
I wondered as well but forgot to check while I was out there.. that’s a good question though
Aluminum doesn't rust but it does rot/disintegrate when acted upon by water with certain chemicals or when paired with dissimilar metals
Josh I think this is the Most innovative design I've ever seen in a 5th wheel or any RV Trailer, I really like this one! 😊😊😁👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
ATC' ON TO SOMETHING with all aluminum build!😁😁👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 as always Great Work Josh! 😁😁👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Glad you like it!
I want that shower rod for my house!
They’re out there!!
The unloaded weight of these is crazy
Yeah they're a fairly unique animal all the way around
Hi Josh, this is off topic for this video, but I am hoping you, and only you will be able to do what you do best, is a review of the new and I feel improved Geo Pro 19FD.
Thank You Sir,
Dave
That'll happen for sure given a little time
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks Josh
Dave 👍🌴👍
I’ve seen some of 19 FDS.
I’m looking to see the return of the low profile ac, maybe with a soft start option. The HVAC on
a digital thermostat. A 2inch receiver on the rear. Also solar pkg. options.
You know, not much, just everything!! LOL
Thanks Dave
👍🌴👍
Cool...how about the construction of the frame, axles, and roof? Industry standard or superior to that?
They're not using an industry standard chassis, no. The roof interestingly isn't traditionally walkable -- no real decking. It's basically like a horse trailer in that regard. It's a full metal roof with very VERY little upkeep required.
Do they also have a model with a side porch too?
Like the triple wheel.
Come with a generator?
I've not seen one with a patio but I won't claim to know everything about these. I think a generator is an available option but as you saw in this they're not standard.. oddly
Hey would love to see you compare the Alliance Avenue 32RLS to the alliance paradigm 310RL and the Grand Design Reflection 32MKS.
Thank JR
I would love to do some comparison stuff like that. It’s difficult when I don’t have them side by side though
Great idea and ty for it btw!
I love the construction, but I’m sorry to say that the words “comfort and livability” are the last 2 words that come to mind, and this is the 1st $188,000 trailer that I’ve ever seen with a shower curtain☹️☹️☹️
Reminds me of the LivinLite Camp Lite trailers
You're not wrong. I may be mistaken but I believe they may share some staff members..
I'd load the back of that with a 18 ft aluminum bass boat and be gone. Wow, that would be sweet.
Take it to Galveston tx for 2 years and let's see
ok the ladder sucks. got it. but what do you mean by non tradisional walkable roof?
Not a big decking under the skin. It’s made like a horse trailer where it’s designed to have very little maintenance
Since I bought my RV at Bish's I have had nothing but problems. Now no one seems to answer their phone. Did I get a better price with you because this RV had problems? I was so happy when i bought it a month ago. Now not so sure
Pricing shouldn't reflect service. Try dropping a note to customersupport@bishs.com and see if our team there can't get things turned around for you
ATC is the "Transformers" of RVs...
Its a garage
It is a heavy duty enclosed hauler
It is a Travel/5th Wheel Trailer
It is Built like a tank
It may not save the world but it sure will protect your hide and your toys and is about as close to a true lifetime RV that money can buy
I mean.. you don’t KNOW it won’t save the world..
@@JoshtheRVNerd ... well, it could certainly haul a yellow Camaro, soooo 🤔🤔🤔
This is incredible!! I’ve never heard of this brand but now that I have……WOW!!!
My neighbors 2003 Ford Ranger would tow this perfectly. 🤣😂🤣😂
hahahaha
No, but you could put it in there and haul it.
My brain got stuck on what a beautiful campground ish dealership this is....Hookups Too? Picnic tables too? I have never seen any dealership this nice. I'm stunned. Yes the 5th wheel toy hauler is beautiful but I'm just in awe of the dealership. Wow.
This place was an absolute pleasure to visit. A nerd could get spoiled in a place like that
@@JoshtheRVNerd Ooh and I am a Nerd big time. Have to drive South to visit but it will be done soon, hmmm?
Do you guys sell the "outdoors" brand?
I think we do at some of our stores - I just haven't been able to get my hands on one
These are great rigs! Find one of their TT’s to show also. Price reflects quality though
No it doesn’t
I know that they only make trailers, but I wonder what it would look like if they made a motorhome.
🤔
What’s the price range?
You can compare ATC models and their pricing here bit.ly/3xYqTdT
18:15 basically you’re saying “you won’t get spritzed in the face” when it’s raining 🌧
Can it fit a lifted jeep
Oh yeah. I’ve seen trucks in these.
It’s really going to depend on the specific measurements involved here. Senseless can vary I’m not sure I can really say one way or the other confidently
No washer and dryer hookup
That’s like Sky Lab on wheels.