Teaching Adventure with 4 THAUMATURGES from Pathfinder 2e's Dark Archive! (Rules Lawyer)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2022
- CORRECTIONS:
-Fafhrd canNOT wield a shield while still gaining the extra damage from Implement's Empowerment. (That ability requires you hold nothing but one-handed weapons, implements, and esoterica in your hands, while holding an implement). Fortunately, he never had occasion to use it in these battles! =D
-Amulet's Abeyance is MORE powerful than in this video! You or your ally gains resistance to all damage equal to 2 + YOUR LEVEL (not half level). So resist all *9*!
-Shooting with a bow requires 2 hands. Here Willard and Rose still could have fired with their bows, so long as they Released their Implement from their other hand as a free action. Generally, you want a one-handed ranged weapon with the Ammunition Thaumaturgy feat, also because that lets you STILL use Implement's Empowerment's bonus damage!
Unused outline for Thaumaturge Shopping Guide:
drive.google.com/file/d/1MnvH...
The four Thaumaturges' builds:
drive.google.com/file/d/1Z0O4...
Watch this "Teaching Adventure" to learn about Pathfinder 2e's new THAUMATURGE class! It has a 7th-level party in which EVERY character is a Human Thaumaturge with the Scholar background, taking only Thaumaturge class feats!
0:00 Introduction
1:25 Brief Thaumaturge Overview
3:39 Character Builds
7:48 Before the adventure
13:02 FIRST BATTLE
15:29 Exploit Vulnerability
20:44 Mirror's Reflection
23:44 Sympathetic Vulnerabilities
25:57 Drink from the Chalice
28:27 Amulet's Abeyance
29:23 Fling Magic
38:01 Implement's Interruption
40:01 Approaching the SECOND BATTLE
40:36 Divine Disharmony
41:51 Instructive Strike
50:27 Lantern countering darkness
52:33 Root to Life
53:32 Scroll Thaumaturgy, Paired Link
55:19 Breached Defenses
59:43 Closing Statement
Battle map by BBEB. Support their Patreon at / bbeb
Music from by Ivan Duch's Music Packs module for Foundry:
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I don’t know why; but that intro really worked for me.
I now also have the ThaumatURGE
CORRECTIONS:
-Fafhrd canNOT wield a shield while still gaining the extra damage from Implement's Empowerment. (That ability requires you hold nothing but one-handed weapons, implements, and esoterica in your hands, while holding an implement). Fortunately, he never had occasion to use it in these battles! =D
-Amulet's Abeyance is MORE powerful than in this video! You or your ally gains resistance to all damage equal to 2 + YOUR LEVEL (not half level). So resist all *9*!
-Shooting with a bow requires 2 hands. Here Willard and Rose still could have fired with their bows, so long as they Released their Implement from their other hand as a free action. Generally, you want a one-handed ranged weapon with the Ammunition Thaumaturgy feat, also because that lets you STILL use Implement's Empowerment's bonus damage!
-The ghost mage's spell should NOT have created darkness! The Darkness spell merely says it "suppresses magical light effects of its level or lower." It was a 2nd-level Darkness spell, and the Lantern was 4th-level, so it didn't suppress the Lantern's light. If it had been a 4th-level darkness, it would have suppressed the Lantern. The Lantern would THEN need to be snuffed and re-lit. The Light trait (which the Lantern has) means it can counteract magical darkness, but "You must usually target darkness magic with your light magic directly to counteract the darkness." As an ongoing effect it didn't really "target" the darkness magic. This scenario makes sense if it was a 4th-level Darkness spell, but Rose would have needed to SUCCEED on her +13 check vs a DC 25.
I get anxiety posting this vids due to inevitable rules errors. Well, I think I got 98% of things right I hope!
Can you use a buckler while receiving implement's empowerment?
RAW, it is complicated. The wording is a bit ambiguous, but the common reading as of this post is no.
The argument boils down to implant empowerment either says you can only be wielding implements, esoterica, or a single one handed weapon between your two hands, or that each hand can only be wielding a one handed weapon, esoterica, and or impliments, with most people leaning that the Intention is the former. No official word until errata comes out.
@@VampByDay The buckler is strapped to the arm,and allows you to wield a different item in that arm's hand.
Would your channel's discord be a good place to get feedback on your builds?
@@kylone1 Huh, interesting point. There's been a LOT of confusion about what is and isn't allowed with the thaumaturge and implement empowerment. Things like a hand crossbow with a reinforced stock are technically disallowed, where as two handing a bastard sword might be. We are likely going to have to wait for an errata to know for sure, but it seems that the intent was "only have a single one handed weapon, no shields (or bucklers) your implement(s) or esoterica. But between RAI and RAW and the final book . . . who knows?
Amulet's Abeyance gives a resistance of 2+Level and not Half Level. So the resistance should have been higher against that crit, completely negating the fire damage and cutting the sword damage by even more.
Thanks! Added a correction in description.
I always like your combat demonstrations
Just commenting to second this. It's one of the best and most distinguishing features of this channel, and I love it.
So they all had the ThaumatURGE, hmm?
Yes yes, I know. Great video, by the way, and I'm super psyched (haha yes) to get Dark Archive.
best comment xD
This is a great example of how spectacularly good of a system PF2e has.
Star knife is one of the best weapons for a thaumaturge. Damage die is small, but thats not an issue for a few reasons. Your implement bonus damage makes you break even with higher die weapons and your exploit makes it go higher. Its one handed ranged. You can get the Recall implement feat pretty early that lets you just recall it after you throw it. Its also versitale, so 2 damage types to help exploit vun with. easily my go-to
That sounds fun!
Great Video, love the combat demonstrations!
Very interesting and a lot of fun. I'm definitely going to build a thaumaturge or three.
You are always the best Ronald. This is why I love Pathfinder2e. This fun idea can be done and done well.
In the mirror implement it states that some events and movement ends your mirror copy. My DM ruled anything that targets, strikes included, and area of effect spells breaks the copy. It makes combat so strategic because he’d mirror implement beside his target, avoiding any attack of opportunity. Then when they hit him back, he would disappear and reappear as the clone 15 feet away, causing them to waste an action to close. Next turn he’d strike step, and then implement away again kiting melee users over and over again.
Your combat demonstrations are invaluable to new players (and still quite interesting to more enfranchised ones!)
Great demonstration! See your examples help too much 👍👍👍
Great job on an actual demonstration of how things should actually work.
Edit: You forgot to add Charisma modifier to the Fling Magic damage. Should have been 4d6+Cha mod (presumably 4d6+4, +2 from the Regalia). Total damage should have been 36, not 28.
Edit 2: I was wrong about the first part so it's gone now, pff.
Awesome format for a class video.
Really liked the combat demo. Good work👍
This will be challenging to GM but it is so cooL! THANKS for doing this!
Lawyer cat is best cat. More Lawyer Cat!
This is great. Running a pbd game for an upcoming con with a thaumaturge in the party and I need to bone up on them. Thanks!
This could be my new favourite Class
My group is starting a new campaign and switched to p2e and as soon as i read about the thaumaturge, I got the urge too, already have a few different character ideas around the class. I love how flexible it is.
Very cool video. Looks like such a fun class, I just wish I could get someone else to GM so I can run a thaumaturge.
Love the Turge!
Really cool thank you 😊
I have a player that doesn't like combat-heavy systems/scenarios (which is the case of most d20 campaings and systems) but he likes playing with us regardless and he's always invested in the story. The bad result from this is that he always makes the character as focused in knowledge/exploration as possible and, when he's in combat, even though d20 systems FORCE him to have reliable combat abilities (no matter which class/build he does), he is so unmotivated in combat that he hardly use his abilities and that creates a problem on every combat in which the party didn't do great, because it can blamed on him (and sometimes it is a fair accessment). He would play Wizard on DnD and Magus on PF1e (he wanted to be "gishy" as honest effort to try to enjoy combat, but didn't worked).
When we got to try PF2e, I found out about the Investigator class (from APG), and basically pushed him into playing it (he wanted to do another Wizard). He accepted it and LOVED it, because the "lock and hit" and support abilities of the class in combat are themed around deduction and knowledge and reminds him of the lastest cinematic insert of Sherlock Holmes where the character integrates quick assessment into combat.
If we ever play PF2e again, I'll show him the Thaumaturge and explain to him that it's kinda like the Investigator, but a similar option if he wants to play a similar concept but with spellcasting.
Hey Ronald. Wanna way, first of all, love your stuff. Been watching you for a while now, great stuff. I’ll note that you got a few things wrong in the video, which is Amy surprising, it is a new and super complicated class, and you do this in your spare time after being a ding-don’t lawyer which has to be both stressful and time consuming, so I don’t blame you.
Character Creation:
So there is a line that I don’t think you read in implement empowerment that says: “You don’t gain the benefit of implement empowerment if you are holding anything in either hand other than a single one-handed weapon, other implements, or esoterica, and you must be holding at least one implement to gain the benefit.”
The current common reading of that is you are allowed one, one-handed weapon total, between your two hands to benefit from implement empowerment. This would discount your fighter, but there is an easy fix: make his shield the weapon with some shield spikes. Then he can hold his second implemt in his off hand wand still shield block and shield bash.
Also, pretty sure ammunition thaumaturge only lets you reload ( or fire) while holding an implement, but just switch the boss up for hand crossbows and you will be fine.
More to come:
I'm looking forward to more corrections *winces*
What is it you're saying about hand crossbows? And I'm pretty sure I spelled out actions where Rose and Willard pulled out their bow, and they still were holding an implement in their other hand.
Ammunition thaumaturge let’s you reload with an implement in your hand, but you need two hands to FIRE a bow, and I don’t think ammunition thaumaturge lets you fire a weapon with implement in hand. Regardless, as a bow is a “1+” handed weapon, it technically isn’t a one handed weapon and so doesn’t benefit from implement empowerment. Y’know, subject to errata stuff. All this bow stuff gets fixed if you just give your ranged thaumaturges hand crossbows or dueling pistols instead.
@@VampByDay Yeah I have since learned that and now know you generally need a one-handed ranged weapon with this feat, which is what you want anyway so it can still get extra damage from Implement's Empowerment
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG I said I'd be back
When Rose normal succeeds her will save against the haunt, she should have gotten the effects of a critical success, Thaumaturges get Resolve (successes count as critical successes for will saves) at level 7
When the skeletal champion ran away, Fafhrd didn't have exploit weakness on him, he had exploit weakness on the one that had recently died.
While there is no reason for Claire to not medicine the party, she can also use her chalice to augment healing, as she doesn't need to attend her chalice for it for it to refill. So one Treat Deadly Wounds also lets her give someone a drink from the Chalice to speed up healing even more.
In the fight with the Salamander Fafhrd had Fire Resist cast on him by Willard so he should have taken less persistent fire damage.
When the ghost mage cast darkness, I think it should have had to roll to counteract Rose's Lantern to go off at all. I get why you did that (to show that the lantern can counteract darkness) but I think the lantern gets to automatically attempt to counteract any darkness it illuminates.
I have an urge to play thaumaturge! My concept is to lean into the 'random bits and pieces of esoterica' and blend it with the Lizardman's ancestral Bone Magic feats. So you end up with a very Indiana Jones/Crocadile Dundee/Hellboy priest character, with bits and pieces of all kinds of things strewn about a leather jacket and leather hat. As people ask about them when he uses them, most are something like 'This is a shard of St. Menlon's shattered shield, it holds the essence of protection and divinity. This is a shred of a vampire's familial tabard, it carries the essence of draining and unholy. This is silver powder from the mines of Durkron, it holds the essences of transformation and greed." And then "This is my Grampy S'Truxi's big toe bone. I can use it to turn into a dinosaur., or send messages to friends."
The best brady bunch imo.
You should mock up a script for this and have your friends do the combat the same way you did in the Dungeons & Dragons video from the few weeks ago. - okay, I really just want to hear Rose some more:-)
I have a question. If thaumaturge use exploit weakness and fail. Can that same thaumaturge try again in the encounter for better success?
Thaumaturge could have it’s own game. I’m imagining a third person (obviously grid and turn based) dungeon crawler
Given that bows are hands 1+ can you actually draw them with a hand occupied?
My understanding was that bows are considered two handed at the moment of firing. The feat shown only seemed to mention reloading
This was cool thanks. Question: what VTT were you using?
Pretty sure it’s Foundry. He has a video on using it and suggest
Mods
I have a rules note and a question, The note is that in regards to the fighter build Implements Empowerment cannot be use while holding a shield so while they can use one they would be giving up some damage in exchange. As for the question, why would the lantern have to be reactivated to counteract the darkness instead of doing so passively as soon as the darkness appeared?
Thanks. I added a correction in the video description and pinned comment.
Thanks! Added correction about fighter in description.
On the Lantern... the mage's spell should NOT have created darkness! The Darkness spell merely says it "suppresses magical light effects of its level or lower." It was a 2nd-level Darkness spell, and the Lantern was 4th-level, so it didn't suppress the Lantern's light. If it had been a 4th-level darkness, it would have suppressed the Lantern. The Lantern would THEN need to be snuffed and re-lit. The Light trait (which the Lantern has) means it can counteract magical darkness, but "You must usually target darkness magic with your light magic directly to counteract the darkness." As an ongoing effect it didn't really "target" the darkness magic. This scenario makes sense if it was a 4th-level Darkness spell, but Rose would have needed to SUCCEED on her +13 check vs a DC 25.
38:55 damn she's really good in medicine.
(being a forensic investigator medic with mortal and godless healing - true and real)
Can you do a tutorial on FoundryVTT for Pathfinder 2e? Maybe an extra video for the mods you use
I think he's already done that, do a search in his channel I think you'll find it :)
Yes! I've done 2 videos on my channel, one on the mods and the other is a walkthrough
Weapon + Mirror thamaturge is the most OP broken character you can make in PF2, even a fighter does less than it.
Would it be possible to share the complete character sheets? I thank!
Such a sheet does not exist unfortunately (they were made in Foundry)
Only thing with the FighterTURGE is that you can't use a shield together with your implement, whatever it is. You can only use a one-handed weapon in the other hand. At least to use Empower implement and I assume it goes for implement powers, traits and propperties.
yes, thats why you should take a dedication that lets you cast the shield cantrip if you want to play in that style. Either that or you put a shield boss on your shield and also use it as your weapon implement. Imagine a shield bearer with a talisman and a shield who no longer has to break his shield by soaking damage with it.
For Willard, how high is his charisma?
Just to make up for the -2 penalty from the diverse lore feat for unrelated rk checks
Also why do the temp skills in nature and the other one, when esoteric lore already applies to creatures of ANY type?
Definitely get boosting survival and diplomacy though
You're a genius KKKKKKKK
Is ammunition thaumaturgy supposed to work with bows?
No! =( It mainly helps with one-handed ranged weapons.
I added a correction:
-Shooting with a bow requires 2 hands. Here Willard and Rose still could have fired with their bows, so long as they Released their Implement from their other hand as a free action. Generally, you want a one-handed ranged weapon with the Ammunition Thaumaturgy feat, also because that lets you STILL use Implement's Empowerment's bonus damage!
25:57 why does she get to draw (not switch out) an implement for free?
He said it somewhere else, as long as the thaumaturge has a free hand they can draw an implement as part of the action of using it.
can someone tell me what this software is, please?
Foundry VTT
I mean, you can be a 4-Barbarian party too.
Not as a complete and diverse party as this one, without the use of Archetypes and other things like itens and magic itens.
The video shows how much versatility the class has, to the point that an 4-Thaumaturge its not only possible but Viable.
@@PedroVictorBr I had a discussion with someone about Thaumaturge full party is doable. Convinced me otherwise that such a thing is bad.
Rules Lawyer has just proven us both wrong.
5 more days for me . . . sigh
This must be at least... interesting...
Can't use a Shield or Bow.
Third
Really like your videos, they are very informative. However I find it a little hard to get through them, and I don't know if this is rude or not but the way you stop in the middle of sentences is really odd to me. It's like you. Talk with a. Random period before your sentence. Is finished.
I do not mean this to be mean, but as some kind of criticism. For all I know this is something that naturally happen due to some reason. Anyway, still like your videos.
I heard this is the HARDEST class to play but I want to learn all classes not sure why Paizo has to make classes so difficult to play, hell all classes in 5e are pretty simple to learn to play.
"And that says a lot, in a system that emphasizes diversity among characters. To make this clear, we have 4 humans with the same Background of Scholar. Also show off PF2e character diversity: Party of 4 HUMANS. All have same background (farmer)! And they all take only Thaumaturge feats (no archetypes)."This makes NO sense is it farmer or scholar background?
That repeating low frequency beep in this video makes it unwatchable.
Do you have a timestamp? Im trying to see if i can find it
@@yuven437 it's more or less every 15-20secs something is turning on and off repeatedly.
53:15 yeah no she really didn't succeed you cheater ;)