I enjoyed showing my son how the brakes worked. I bought a 72 Dart in 77 and after driving it for a short time found I had some kind of brake problem, the brakes kept getting weaker. I adjusted them but after a while, they would get weak again. After going through that a couple of times I put the car up on blocks and removed the wheels and brakes. The adjusting wheels had some broken tips. When I went to put them back that's when I realized whoever had done the last brake job had reversed the adjusters from left to right and when I backed up the adjusters were backing off instead of adjusting out. Love seeing these cars brought back to life, it brings back a lot of good memories.
This is a step by step guide to how a buyer gets shafted purchasing an auction vehicle. Basically misrepresenting a real car. It’s a non-real-tribute car.
Even though I live in Brazil and probably will never have a Dodge like those shown by you, it's very interesting and instructive the way you work on the cars! I actually have a '90 Mercedes w124 260E, a '76 VW Passat B1 and a '94 GM Kadett E to play with... 😂 Thanks for all knowledge shared!👍
I don't think they can because of all the new safety regulations and stuff. One company did recently though I want to say it was Aston Martin or something like that
@@jmc5341 Both Aston Martin and Jaguar have built new "retro" vehicles, Aston have built a few (maybe 4 or 5) limited edition Zagato DB4 replicas, don't know how THEY got round the rules but I fancy they are not road legal in the UK. Jaguar had about a dozen chassis numbers allocated in the early 60s to lightweight E type coupes that never actually got built and they are using these chassis numbers to build the matching number of replicas. I gather from what i've heard that these "loophole" cars will be allowed on UK roads. The price for either is in the circa £1million bracket if you fancy one! But yes, under normal circumstances you couldn't sell a perfect replica of any classic car as a new vehicle because it wouldn't meet modern production safety regs in terms of crumple zones, door bars, airbags, energy absorbing bumpers, emissions and hundreds of other spec differences. All you can do is either what GYC has done here and build a new car from constituent parts (but bear in mind that the engine, trans etc are rebuilt from original bits in that case) or what a friend of mine has done here in the UK where he started with one of the last remaining NOS Triumph Dolomite bodyshells and has painstakingly over 12 years (to date, it's not finished yet!) collected ALL NOS parts to build up a Dolomite Sprint from scratch. Even so, he can't register it as a NEW car (reg plates stay with a car for life in the UK) but has to use the identity of a genuine '73-'80 Sprint that has been scrapped. Which is JUST about legal here! And the car will likely never be worth the £70k+ and thousands of hours that he has invested in it! Either way, the car can't be street legal except with the identity of an original car of that type and spec. Where you draw the line between a restoration and a replica/tribute is very subjective, I won't try to define it! But I know a guy who built and successfully registered a replica Le Mans Spitfire starting with a set of correct wheels, a chassis tag which may, or may not have been genuine and not much else!
Auto analysis actual did cost analysts of of modern car and car from 60's and said $3,000 car from late 60's if produced in early 2000 said cost $10,000 in a factory with all correct components from that Era no modern safety equipment that is required on today's cars. John McElroy also said that Government would never let auto companies produce a car with none of safety equipment that is required by law. That same 60's car would be $20,000 with all safety mandated equipment by law. Since early 2000 T.P.S, A.B.S and Numerous airbags, Mandated by Government more cost.
I agree, i absolutely enjoyed all of the knowledge he showed and she showed as well. I really appreciated them sharing and educating us viewers. Its truly amazing the level of shady and deceitful people out there but thanks to all of the true car enthusiasts. We can make better informed choices!! So thank you!!
Back when I was younger and started with Mopars as a teenager, I got all of Galen Govier's books on how to decode the build tags and all those things. Saved me money on a 1970 roadrunner that had been wrecked and redone incorrectly and was being passed off as something it wasn't. Sadly I saw that same Roadrunner a couple years back in a scrapyard where it's been since 2000 when the last owner got burnt on it and ended up blowing up the badly rebuilt motor and then found it wasn't worth redoing the whole car. It sits there getting what useable parts on it sold off one at a time. I've collected a lot of things over the years, old Mopars when I could afford them, antique guns, military collectibles, etc. Every one of those has just as many people dedicated enough to screw people by making fakes and passing off things that aren't legit as there are the real deal. This is where the phrase "knowledge is power" comes in loud and clear.
@AVB2 dude that is so interesting! Thanks for sharing that. I remember reading about how Kodak (that used to make film) were the ones that discovered that the US was doing nuclear testing from contamination making it's way into the film production process? Radiation is a bit like sharks to me? Scary interesting
While I appreciate there are places making replacement panels for these old classics, it just reminds me of when you could buy an entire VW Bug shell out of the JC Whitney catalog back in the 80's.
Pretty sure that never happened. Been playing with old VW since the mid 80's and never have I seen a JC Whitney bug body shell. Are you just talking about their line of really crappy rust repair panels?
Find it funny that they are building a complete car from aftermarket parts minus the roof then turn around and badmouth a car that was put together from two actual cars and want to return the car to the owner
wait, did they really bad mouth it? I know at one point the daughter said "there is a serious problem with this car", and the problem she was reffering to was, it was not all numbers matching. I also heard them noting that some of the welds were not done as would have been done the factory way, but I dont think that they said any of the workmanship being bad.
AMP? All matching papers? And they listed it for sale? I thought at the end of the video, they said that they called the customer and notified him of the issues and the customer made the decision to move forward or not. At that point, is there more in the episode than the video here? I complete understand it shouldn't be listed as a matching numbers car, and would assume that someone with a high pedigree like grave yard cars would list it with proper info. Or they did not? Is that what you're saying?
So the one they put together is now more valuable? Where are the numbers for those parts, and are all of them native to that exact vehicle and trim model? I am less sure of what makes cars valuable. It’s almost like a counterfeit 100$ is worth 100 until it gets found out?
I enjoyed the episode. Great teaching and info. Most of all i liked that there was no stupid jokes or sketches. No whining about tight deadlines. Just build the car show how why and proper. With a few side funny inserts. I am so done with OCC type shows more theatricks than build.
I always enjoyed watching the show because of Mark's vast wealth of Mopar knowledge and experience. I stopped watching because I grew tired of the drama between Mark and Josh and between Mark and Darren. I may start watching again.
Mark has such an amazing amount of knowledge on these cars, he really is a walking Mopar encyclopedia. Good to see that he's passing his knowledge onto others, this show is equally as educational as it is entertaining.
I have never understood how you can replace 99% of a car, and call it an original car. And then complain about a car that is fake, which is more original than the one you are building.
A few years ago i worked at a Mopar specialty restoration shop that did high dollar restorations. Built beautiful immaculate and rare cars. They falsified core support tags and trowelled bondo. As long as it looked good. If a customer wanted a 440 (318) car, they built it. But every hose clamp etc had to be perfect. SMH Strain at a knat, swallow a camel. Couldnt stand it, and quit. 🙄
Thanks Mark, great education here. I have always considered the 1970 Cuda the most beautiful automobile ever made. Can`t afford one of yours, or anybody else`s. But I do have an 86 and a 92 Ramchargers. I dropped a 440 and TF727 into the 86 that I rebuilt myself and I love it. Running the original 75 Thermoquad and it is an awesome 4x4. The 92 is in terrific shape inside and out, just needs a new paint job.
Love the show just wish some of the bickering from Will and Mark would stop it makes it seem like they shouldn't even be working with each other . I understand joking around but sometimes it seems a little too serious.
Mark Worman is like a walking Mopar encyclopedia. His knowledge of these cars always amazes me. Allysa is getting good at her knowledge of classic Mopar muscle. That’s marriage material right there. She’ll make some gear head a happy man someday. It’s a shame it won’t be me.
I remember watching this who back when it first got started - I didn't care for the conflict, and Mark appeared utterly insane. I only watched a few episodes and then wrote the show off. I came across this video this afternoon. If the early shows had been like this, I'd not have missed an episode yet!
I caught a couple of shows on you tube a while back, the main guy seemed like a knowledgeable guy but I wouldn't want to be stuck I an elevator with him. In fact there would probably be only one of us coming out of it alive.
In the late 70's I had a 70 Barracuda Gran Coupe, 383 Auto, green on green, white leather interior with an overhead consolate. It had disc. brakes with a 3.08? POSI differential. I bought it off a used car lot for $950. If I only knew!
Those young people learning all these skills and detailed info on these cars will be very well set to be masters of their craft in the years to come. I restore vintage military vehicles but I wish dad taught me basic maintenance and repairs when I was younger but, I learned while I was in the Army at the Auto Craft shop on my free time when I was 19.
I’ve always been curious to see one too. I noticed in some resto catalogs a few years back that you can buy literally every single part to build a 69 Camaro, and I’ve been waiting ever since. Still probably as expensive as the real deal, but cool nonetheless, and is brand spanking new
Had a freind pay over $10k way back when for a 1970 340 Duster . Nice looking car , Real 340 engine . But when i read the vin and saw a G for the engine code , I didnt have the heart to tell him it was originally just a 318 car . I just smiled and told him nice ride Enjoy it " . A lot of fakes back then before the internet educated the public "
I had a car (97 Ford Mustang Cobra) that wouldn't have the front radiator core support with any numbers on it because the entire front of the car was replaced after I hit a 2 ft high concrete retaining wall at 40 mph. It pushed the passenger side firewall back about 1.5" and everything on that side back to the firewall was replaced. Was it still a SVT Cobra, of course but it had replaced parts.
It was common for shady restorers to get a submodel and use a wrecked or rusty Cuda or any other high end muscle car and put the higher end car on the submodel body. GTO'S are probably the ones i saw the most. A whole lotta "Judges" should be removed from the bench.
This guy is a moper computer that’s so full of memory banks he will tell you every thing you would even need to know about any thing to do with cars I think he should be considered one of the best in our life time . love the show watch it all the time would love to work in a shop doing them Kind of restoration the accomplishment in the end result of any restore is like nothing a regular person can imagine. you just need to do it and experience hands on them cars pulling out of the shop after being a skeleton shell rusted away looking lost in time to this beautiful dream car is just so cool take care guys keep up the amazing work
Beautiful work!! I watch all the programs, I'm from Brazil and I have a 1975 yellow RT charger that is highly priced here and is worth up to 120 thousand dollars in our market!!!
I owned two 'Cudas - 72 & 73. It is NOT a 'CUDA but a Barracuda they found and dipped. The 71 series 'CUDA as shown never had the standard instrument panel. It had the full instrument gauge pack not in this car.
So the car was a re-body, that essentially means that it's VIN was "tampered". It is a bit questionable, now that Mark has actually proven that this really is a re-body, whether the current owner should now be charged with the original tampering (Fraud etc). This is especially iffy since the car will likely be restored to such a high standard (by Mark) that it will be even harder to tell that it is not a factory car. Which also means that Mark is a party to a possible future fraud (when the car is sold). The only safe way not to be guilty of that would be to for 1. Mark to refuse the work, or 2. Mark to tell the owner that he must apply for a new non-factory VIN. The car will no doubt be nice, but the current owner will be in a position to be very tempted to sell the car as a "real" 440 Cuda after spending all that money at Graveyard Cars. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. And the proof of Mark's own guilt as an accomplice (and profiteer) is on record. Really dumb....
You bring up valid points. If the current owner passes away how would anyone know? His family may unknowingly sell the car as 100% correct and it isn’t. You should call Mark and suggest he ask the Owner to re-title it as Salvage or get a new VIN. He may have already done so and I am sure he can write it in the contract to build too. Car will still will be worth a ton as a tribute but you have to be careful to present it correctly for all future owners now that you know the truth about the car.
Really what's the difference? Mark "built" a new car around a roof and re-VIN'd it as well. So has it is been tampered, pretty sure its illegal. The other guy just did a poor job of what Mark does. I might as well get myself a rusty RS SS Camero and buy a new Dynacorn body and just transfer all the notable panels with numbers, just like Mark and his crew, and won't need a new VIN generated by the authorities as he mentioned at the beginning of this video segment. I would have a nice expensive collectable car. Who wold know LOL
I started in 1975 doing cars... after all these years, I still do not have this level of expertise on any brand of car...Never had the luxury of being a single brand/model .. Closest thing I had was working for GM in the 80s.. (pizz poor cars) Is nice to see someone that is honest about these builds.. Everyone thinks they are gonna get rich.. hahahahhahahahhh FWIW.. the EFI is a great upgrade on all our old stuff.. Vapor lock a thing of the past with all the new brew fuels...and E85 is doable..
A friend of mine worked for this know it all for about a year, he is nothing but someone that looks things up in books and makes everybody think he knows it all, absolute ass to work for.
When I win the lotto, Graveyard is going to build a new '68 Charger for me. Not an over the top orange Hemi car, but a more sedate 383 magnum model with white interior, column shift automatic and 3.55 sure grip. Wheel covers. Yep, no cliché' magnums. Full wheel covers and white walls. A gentleman's hot rod.
Mark had said before “you can’t just do a re-body and slap a vin on it” correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that exactly what is going on here? Also illegal to swap vin numbers.
I remember the leather key pouch. My grandmother had one for her 69 New Yorker. 440 4 barrel. She would ride the brake so it wouldn't bust the tires loose.
Crazy attention to detail! I love seeing a car be built 100% the correct way and to a high caliber of workmanship. These guys are the complete polar opposites of a shop like Gas Monkey Garage. I understand that most people don't have a budget anywhere near what a car like this would go for, nor are they going to the extremes of restoration, I think most people watching are probably working on something like what you would see on Fitzees channel or Uncle Tonys etc. but dam that crew at Gas Money... oh sorry Monkey, would just butcher cars on that show and that Richard guy thought the cars were such hot s$$t too.
I must be missing something. All that is salvaged from the first car is the roof because that has the correct numbers. Everything else is being replaced with aftermarket parts. Because the original "correct number" roof is retained it will be authentic. The second one has correct numbers up front, but the back half has been replaced so it isn't authentic? I must have missed something somewhere.
I took it to be that the radiator frame plus firewall were removed from the desirable car and put into a less desirable car, The rear part of the car plus the chassis, roof, underbody, front panels are all from the less desirable car and some of those parts were altered to make them appear like they will on the more desirable car - welding in the badge holes on the boot to hide that the less desirable badge once went on. (Edit for spelling mistakes)
Readjust the tinfoil in your hat. There's a reason those items went into the dustbin of history decades ago. I retired a 15 year old Pontiac with 263K on the clock. Never touched the fuel infection system, and had one bad crankshaft sensor. Not having to replace and adjust or rebuild parts is a beautiful thing
OMG, first time I have seen this channel! Interesting to watch BUT; building an old muscle car design from scratch, how much does this cost? My guess is, the resale value must not be good either? However, an old body design with modernized power and suspension components, etc, is probably far superior to the original! Purely a passion project for someone with a great deal of disposable income too, i'm impressed and bewildered at the same time.
You have a very interesting shop....... I see GREAT things coming out the back door,.... kinda like going to the showroom back in the 60's !....... FINE JOB MARK ! ....& CREW.👍👍👍
Not sure what sense it makes to hand build a car that crosses the auction block every few months in pristine condition for thousands less. Everyone knows you can’t hand make a car for less than a complete unit, I guess companies like Graveyard Cars are happy people still want this experience, good for you for providing this service.
An antique car is an investment....a bad investment. They cost more to fix than what they are worth. (But they are fun) I have a friend that collects "perfect cars". He says the way to get them is to let someone else restore them and buy it from their widow.
Q. If you have an original Cuda and it gets rear ended hard. How much of the original car do you need to keep for it to still be a real Cuda? Like the one that was built using just the roof? Where do you draw the line?
That discussion has been even philosophically brought up as "The Ship of Theseus" or "George Washington's Axe" and you'll probably NEVER get an agreement.
I am old enough to remember the Cuda when it was brand new. The quality of the build in this video is much better than the original. I was more of a GM guy back then, learned to drive in my dad's 72 Chevelle, and had my own 70 Chevelle. After I got married I was handed down a 69 Buick Custom Cruiser Wagon from her Grandpa and father, that car had a high compression 350.
Man, I like to live in the past, but these people take it to the next level. Guy has one great observation, tho, and I noticed the same thing. People that have to scrape to buy a new base model car take much better care of their car than people who can just write a blank check and get all the bells and whistles. Some of those cars barely make it down the street from the lot before they are wrapped around a tree.
I'm from Oregon, and my great uncle Larry who passed recently was a local legend who's custom cars even got into magazines. I wonder if he ever met these guys?
Awesome video. Very interesting learning about the Cars. When you build a car from scratch with all new panels such as the black car does it have to comply with modern cars? Does the dmv say its a brand new car or is it still classed as a classic car? Can you de code a 57 Belvedere?
I was born in 1956 and grew up with the best cars and the best music. I grew up in the best of time!!!😊 When I was 16 my first car was a 1970 mustang Mach 1. It had a 351C with a Hurst 4 speed
Kid - hang onto that guy who was showing you how to put axles / brakes together. It's -RARE- to find patient, kind, helpful and willing to share. Learning mode on!
How much does it cost to build a car up from the parts list ?? I would love to own one of these one day - the days of picking up a "used" one for sensible money seems long consigned to history tho ??? Btw, thanks for handing down your craft and knowledge to these kids, teaching them like this is super nice to see.........bravo to you, those kids are doing you proud.
You’re looking at a $150,000-$250,000 when all is said and done. That’s if you have a shop do it. Doing the work yourself probably would cost a quarter of that.
My very first car (later part of the 1970’s) was a 1970 Dodge Dart Swinger w/340 magnum. Was a weird green color and I loved that car. I sold it in high school to buy a buddies 1970 Dodge Challenger w/383 magnum. After graduation I traded it straight across for a 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner w/440 magnum. To this day I feel that Mopars are truly the best designed muscle cars of all time. 🤙
Hey Mark, I'm a huge Mopar fan, and I'm continually in awe at your Mopar knowledge. I love your show and the cars yall build. I have one question, how many times do you puke every time a classic car is destroyed in movie making, regardless of the make. Me personally, it breaks my heart to watch an old car destroyed for the sake of movie theatrics. I absolutely hate ford but even Bullitt or gone in 60 seconds hurts to watch.
I work for the company that built wills paint mixing rack. Kinda cool when you see something you helped to build. I'm in charge of the powder coating department.
Awesome that with a decent budget, full shop, decades of experience by the team, and great editing everything works well! What is the final all in cost compared with the value?
The passion these guys and gal have for these cars is priceless.
You should see what he gets for restoring one, you’d understand.
Guy is literally taking dust and "remaking" a barricade with original VIN, but he's trying to call out a fake. Who cares. Go collect beanie babies.
But he’s not trying to pass it off as a real Hemi ‘cuda. He’s using the vin to get around it having an assigned/assembled vin.
I enjoyed showing my son how the brakes worked. I bought a 72 Dart in 77 and after driving it for a short time found I had some kind of brake problem, the brakes kept getting weaker. I adjusted them but after a while, they would get weak again. After going through that a couple of times I put the car up on blocks and removed the wheels and brakes. The adjusting wheels had some broken tips. When I went to put them back that's when I realized whoever had done the last brake job had reversed the adjusters from left to right and when I backed up the adjusters were backing off instead of adjusting out. Love seeing these cars brought back to life, it brings back a lot of good memories.
This is a step by step guide to how a buyer gets shafted purchasing an auction vehicle. Basically misrepresenting a real car. It’s a non-real-tribute car.
Mark, your MOPAR knowledge always blows my mind...this time was extra special!
It was kinda cool watching Mark drill his daughter on what he's taught her!
Too bad the owner didn’t have him check it before he bought it.
Even though I live in Brazil and probably will never have a Dodge like those shown by you, it's very interesting and instructive the way you work on the cars! I actually have a '90 Mercedes w124 260E, a '76 VW Passat B1 and a '94 GM Kadett E to play with... 😂
Thanks for all knowledge shared!👍
Some of his clues work for anything.
Look for strange welds is one of them.
My brother is like that, he has aspergers
@@danmccollister4840 😂😂
I live in the United States and will probably never have a MOPAR like those Mark shows.
Thank you for passing your knowledge on. It will be lost if we don't. Bless you for having the patience to pass it on.😊
Really appreciate the detailed explanation. These guys are the best at what they do!
I never understood why car companies dont recreate classics and make a set number as a new retro vehicle. A brand new 70 cuda?
I don't think they can because of all the new safety regulations and stuff. One company did recently though I want to say it was Aston Martin or something like that
@@jmc5341 Both Aston Martin and Jaguar have built new "retro" vehicles, Aston have built a few (maybe 4 or 5) limited edition Zagato DB4 replicas, don't know how THEY got round the rules but I fancy they are not road legal in the UK. Jaguar had about a dozen chassis numbers allocated in the early 60s to lightweight E type coupes that never actually got built and they are using these chassis numbers to build the matching number of replicas. I gather from what i've heard that these "loophole" cars will be allowed on UK roads.
The price for either is in the circa £1million bracket if you fancy one!
But yes, under normal circumstances you couldn't sell a perfect replica of any classic car as a new vehicle because it wouldn't meet modern production safety regs in terms of crumple zones, door bars, airbags, energy absorbing bumpers, emissions and hundreds of other spec differences.
All you can do is either what GYC has done here and build a new car from constituent parts (but bear in mind that the engine, trans etc are rebuilt from original bits in that case) or what a friend of mine has done here in the UK where he started with one of the last remaining NOS Triumph Dolomite bodyshells and has painstakingly over 12 years (to date, it's not finished yet!) collected ALL NOS parts to build up a Dolomite Sprint from scratch. Even so, he can't register it as a NEW car (reg plates stay with a car for life in the UK) but has to use the identity of a genuine '73-'80 Sprint that has been scrapped. Which is JUST about legal here!
And the car will likely never be worth the £70k+ and thousands of hours that he has invested in it!
Either way, the car can't be street legal except with the identity of an original car of that type and spec.
Where you draw the line between a restoration and a replica/tribute is very subjective, I won't try to define it! But I know a guy who built and successfully registered a replica Le Mans Spitfire starting with a set of correct wheels, a chassis tag which may, or may not have been genuine and not much else!
They would if government would get out of way they build us what we want
@jmc5341 well they can always add some safety regulations to comply
Auto analysis actual did cost analysts of of modern car and car from 60's and said $3,000 car from late 60's if produced in early 2000 said cost $10,000 in a factory with all correct components from that Era no modern safety equipment that is required on today's cars.
John McElroy also said that Government would never let auto companies produce a car with none of safety equipment that is required by law.
That same 60's car would be $20,000 with all safety mandated equipment by law.
Since early 2000 T.P.S, A.B.S and Numerous airbags, Mandated by Government more cost.
Love watching and learning from Mark this guy is such a Mopar guru.
I agree, i absolutely enjoyed all of the knowledge he showed and she showed as well. I really appreciated them sharing and educating us viewers. Its truly amazing the level of shady and deceitful people out there but thanks to all of the true car enthusiasts. We can make better informed choices!! So thank you!!
So you built a car from aftermarket parts... a kit car by definition. When this car gets dipped in 50 years people will say the same thing, lol!
No its not. Its a fake reproduction and it just be illegal to my opinion to have such a thing unless its stamp in big letters kit repro.
Back when I was younger and started with Mopars as a teenager, I got all of Galen Govier's books on how to decode the build tags and all those things. Saved me money on a 1970 roadrunner that had been wrecked and redone incorrectly and was being passed off as something it wasn't. Sadly I saw that same Roadrunner a couple years back in a scrapyard where it's been since 2000 when the last owner got burnt on it and ended up blowing up the badly rebuilt motor and then found it wasn't worth redoing the whole car. It sits there getting what useable parts on it sold off one at a time. I've collected a lot of things over the years, old Mopars when I could afford them, antique guns, military collectibles, etc. Every one of those has just as many people dedicated enough to screw people by making fakes and passing off things that aren't legit as there are the real deal. This is where the phrase "knowledge is power" comes in loud and clear.
Wise words
@AVB2 dude that is so interesting! Thanks for sharing that.
I remember reading about how Kodak (that used to make film) were the ones that discovered that the US was doing nuclear testing from contamination making it's way into the film production process?
Radiation is a bit like sharks to me? Scary interesting
These cars make up for a nice rat rod or hot rod though
While I appreciate there are places making replacement panels for these old classics, it just reminds me of when you could buy an entire VW Bug shell out of the JC Whitney catalog back in the 80's.
Pretty sure that never happened. Been playing with old VW since the mid 80's and never have I seen a JC Whitney bug body shell. Are you just talking about their line of really crappy rust repair panels?
That is so beautiful the way she knows the answers to the questions about a vehicle. Keep on teaching sir. Teach her all she is willing to know..
Find it funny that they are building a complete car from aftermarket parts minus the roof then turn around and badmouth a car that was put together from two actual cars and want to return the car to the owner
wait, did they really bad mouth it? I know at one point the daughter said "there is a serious problem with this car", and the problem she was reffering to was, it was not all numbers matching. I also heard them noting that some of the welds were not done as would have been done the factory way, but I dont think that they said any of the workmanship being bad.
Point is that they list the car as having AMP. The other car is a forgery irregardless reasoning .
AMP? All matching papers? And they listed it for sale? I thought at the end of the video, they said that they called the customer and notified him of the issues and the customer made the decision to move forward or not. At that point, is there more in the episode than the video here? I complete understand it shouldn't be listed as a matching numbers car, and would assume that someone with a high pedigree like grave yard cars would list it with proper info. Or they did not? Is that what you're saying?
to some people thats like the equivalent to buying implants for your new wife then later finding out she was a dude in the lower half
So the one they put together is now more valuable? Where are the numbers for those parts, and are all of them native to that exact vehicle and trim model? I am less sure of what makes cars valuable. It’s almost like a counterfeit 100$ is worth 100 until it gets found out?
I enjoyed the episode. Great teaching and info. Most of all i liked that there was no stupid jokes or sketches. No whining about tight deadlines. Just build the car show how why and proper. With a few side funny inserts. I am so done with OCC type shows more theatricks than build.
Sadly all the good cars are going fast gone is gone great show keep up the amazing work be safe my friends God bless all
I love early Mustangs but you all 100% make me want one of these Mopars! Such amazing work by this team. Wow!
Chrysler build quality was 1 notch above garbage.
I totally agree with you!!! As I got older, I love ALL the American Muscle Cars, and everything coming out of GYC!!!
That six bbl is still more original than the phantom cuda. At least this car is all 70 Chrysler sheet metal
nah, the core support came much later and the stamping is CLEARLY added later :)
This guy and his daughter know more about mopar than anyone i have seen 💯❤ Happy New Year to you and your family.
I always enjoyed watching the show because of Mark's vast wealth of Mopar knowledge and experience. I stopped watching because I grew tired of the drama between Mark and Josh and between Mark and Darren. I may start watching again.
Mark has such an amazing amount of knowledge on these cars, he really is a walking Mopar encyclopedia. Good to see that he's passing his knowledge onto others, this show is equally as educational as it is entertaining.
I have never understood how you can replace 99% of a car, and call it an original car. And then complain about a car that is fake, which is more original than the one you are building.
so what your saying is that you cannot rebuild an original?
@@Hotecce1 So what you're saying is you don't like new cars?
Car of theseus?
@@counterbalancelife4305 huh?
Apparently the only thing that you need is the VIN plate to call it an original car.
I learned so much in this episode on recognizing a fake car. Thank you Mark for your teachings.
A few years ago i worked at a Mopar specialty restoration shop that did high dollar restorations. Built beautiful immaculate and rare cars. They falsified core support tags and trowelled bondo. As long as it looked good.
If a customer wanted a 440 (318) car, they built it. But every hose clamp etc had to be perfect.
SMH
Strain at a knat, swallow a camel.
Couldnt stand it, and quit. 🙄
What place was that can you tell us more about this thank you. 🧐🤔😮✌️💚🇺🇸
Thanks Mark, great education here. I have always considered the 1970 Cuda the most beautiful automobile ever made. Can`t afford one of yours, or anybody else`s. But I do have an 86 and a 92 Ramchargers. I dropped a 440 and TF727 into the 86 that I rebuilt myself and I love it. Running the original 75 Thermoquad and it is an awesome 4x4. The 92 is in terrific shape inside and out, just needs a new paint job.
Love the show just wish some of the bickering from Will and Mark would stop it makes it seem like they shouldn't even be working with each other . I understand joking around but sometimes it seems a little too serious.
Mark Worman is like a walking Mopar encyclopedia.
His knowledge of these cars always amazes me.
Allysa is getting good at her knowledge of classic Mopar muscle. That’s marriage material right there. She’ll make some gear head a happy man someday. It’s a shame it won’t be me.
I remember watching this who back when it first got started - I didn't care for the conflict, and Mark appeared utterly insane. I only watched a few episodes and then wrote the show off. I came across this video this afternoon. If the early shows had been like this, I'd not have missed an episode yet!
I caught a couple of shows on you tube a while back, the main guy seemed like a knowledgeable guy but I wouldn't want to be stuck I an elevator with him. In fact there would probably be only one of us coming out of it alive.
LMAO! I know what you mean.@@BoxxArt
In the late 70's I had a 70 Barracuda Gran Coupe, 383 Auto, green on green, white leather interior with an overhead consolate. It had disc. brakes with a 3.08? POSI differential. I bought it off a used car lot for $950. If I only knew!
Knowing someone that does it right,
from start to finish....🤨👍🏻
Priceless !
Love that you guys make these cars as original as possible. Keep up the great work!
What a great channel I always tell my friends of your expertise on these cars. 👌👌👌
Those young people learning all these skills and detailed info on these cars will be very well set to be masters of their craft in the years to come. I restore vintage military vehicles but I wish dad taught me basic maintenance and repairs when I was younger but, I learned while I was in the Army at the Auto Craft shop on my free time when I was 19.
You and your team are unbelievable. Keep up the great work
I don't believe them either
And on the OEM assembly line they did it how? And in which sequence?
Never seen a build from scratch like this! Glad it was a Cuda.
I’ve always been curious to see one too. I noticed in some resto catalogs a few years back that you can buy literally every single part to build a 69 Camaro, and I’ve been waiting ever since. Still probably as expensive as the real deal, but cool nonetheless, and is brand spanking new
Yep. Can buy brand new vw bus shells now too.
You sir are without a doubt the best investigator with classic Mopar.
The dedication you have is mind blowing
Amazing education videos. I started showing this to my boys to teach them about older cars. Keep up the good work.
I never knew that a "Cuda" was not a Barracuda. My mind is absolutely blown.
This is the reason why it’s so difficult to find a 2WD 4L60 transmission at the bone yard. Silversport snatched them all up.
I like this kind of show, doesn’t seem fake, people get to work and they all are themselves along with being professional
Had a freind pay over $10k way back when for a 1970 340 Duster . Nice looking car , Real 340 engine . But when i read the vin and saw a G for the engine code , I didnt have the heart to tell him it was originally just a 318 car . I just smiled and told him nice ride Enjoy it " . A lot of fakes back then before the internet educated the public "
Building a classic car from a catalog, now that would be something awesome! I would build a 69 RT for sure....All it takes is money...😂
Must cost a billion dollars.
You can build Model A Fords, 32 Fords, ‘57 Chevies and early Mustangs completely from catalogs now. Not to mention Shelby Cobras.
I had a car (97 Ford Mustang Cobra) that wouldn't have the front radiator core support with any numbers on it because the entire front of the car was replaced after I hit a 2 ft high concrete retaining wall at 40 mph. It pushed the passenger side firewall back about 1.5" and everything on that side back to the firewall was replaced. Was it still a SVT Cobra, of course but it had replaced parts.
It was common for shady restorers to get a submodel and use a wrecked or rusty Cuda or any other high end muscle car and put the higher end car on the submodel body. GTO'S are probably the ones i saw the most. A whole lotta "Judges" should be removed from the bench.
I read somewhere that there are more big block Corvettes on the roads than Chevy ever made.
This guy is a moper computer that’s so full of memory banks he will tell you every thing you would even need to know about any thing to do with cars I think he should be considered one of the best in our life time . love the show watch it all the time would love to work in a shop doing them
Kind of restoration the accomplishment in the end result of any restore is like nothing a regular person can imagine. you just need to do it and experience hands on them cars pulling out of the shop after being a skeleton shell rusted away looking lost in time to this beautiful dream car is just so cool take care guys keep up the amazing work
Beautiful work!! I watch all the programs, I'm from Brazil and I have a 1975 yellow RT charger that is highly priced here and is worth up to 120 thousand dollars in our market!!!
nice bit of detective work, certainly shows years of experience. Also cool to see young people keen to learn.
I owned two 'Cudas - 72 & 73. It is NOT a 'CUDA but a Barracuda they found and dipped. The 71 series 'CUDA as shown never had the standard instrument panel. It had the full instrument gauge pack not in this car.
If you do what you love, you'll never work a in your life. You guys are awesome. Thanks for saving the past. THANKS!!!!
There's an Unnamed stamper out there that fooled someone that should 100% know if it's fake or not and the stamper won.
Who are they 🧐🤔😮✌️💚???
I like how you're honest with a customer when you tell them something isn't right.
Some car dealers added vinyl tops at the dealership
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It is incomprehensible how much you know. Amazing, thanks
So the car was a re-body, that essentially means that it's VIN was "tampered". It is a bit questionable, now that Mark has actually proven that this really is a re-body, whether the current owner should now be charged with the original tampering (Fraud etc). This is especially iffy since the car will likely be restored to such a high standard (by Mark) that it will be even harder to tell that it is not a factory car. Which also means that Mark is a party to a possible future fraud (when the car is sold). The only safe way not to be guilty of that would be to for 1. Mark to refuse the work, or 2. Mark to tell the owner that he must apply for a new non-factory VIN.
The car will no doubt be nice, but the current owner will be in a position to be very tempted to sell the car as a "real" 440 Cuda after spending all that money at Graveyard Cars. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. And the proof of Mark's own guilt as an accomplice (and profiteer) is on record. Really dumb....
You bring up valid points. If the current owner passes away how would anyone know? His family may unknowingly sell the car as 100% correct and it isn’t. You should call Mark and suggest he ask the Owner to re-title it as Salvage or get a new VIN. He may have already done so and I am sure he can write it in the contract to build too. Car will still will be worth a ton as a tribute but you have to be careful to present it correctly for all future owners now that you know the truth about the car.
Really what's the difference? Mark "built" a new car around a roof and re-VIN'd it as well. So has it is been tampered, pretty sure its illegal. The other guy just did a poor job of what Mark does. I might as well get myself a rusty RS SS Camero and buy a new Dynacorn body and just transfer all the notable panels with numbers, just like Mark and his crew, and won't need a new VIN generated by the authorities as he mentioned at the beginning of this video segment. I would have a nice expensive collectable car. Who wold know LOL
I started in 1975 doing cars... after all these years, I still do not have this level of expertise on any brand of car...Never had the luxury of being a single brand/model .. Closest thing I had was working for GM in the 80s.. (pizz poor cars) Is nice to see someone that is honest about these builds.. Everyone thinks they are gonna get rich.. hahahahhahahahhh FWIW.. the EFI is a great upgrade on all our old stuff.. Vapor lock a thing of the past with all the new brew fuels...and E85 is doable..
A friend of mine worked for this know it all for about a year, he is nothing but someone that looks things up in books and makes everybody think he knows it all, absolute ass to work for.
Looking it up IS THE proper thing to do. Production runs change.
Hearsay, inadmissable.
When I win the lotto, Graveyard is going to build a new '68 Charger for me. Not an over the top orange Hemi car, but a more sedate 383 magnum model with white interior, column shift automatic and 3.55 sure grip. Wheel covers. Yep, no cliché' magnums. Full wheel covers and white walls. A gentleman's hot rod.
I would love to have a clone/tribute car from them.
Mark had said before “you can’t just do a re-body and slap a vin on it” correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that exactly what is going on here? Also illegal to swap vin numbers.
Mark your a genius, I miss the 70's every time I watch a episode.
I remember the leather key pouch. My grandmother had one for her 69 New Yorker. 440 4 barrel. She would ride the brake so it wouldn't bust the tires loose.
Mark is amazing but his knowledge is making it easy for scammers to make fake cars
Absolutely INFORMATIVE....GREAT WORK SIR...KEEP THEM COMING..!!!
Crazy attention to detail! I love seeing a car be built 100% the correct way and to a high caliber of workmanship. These guys are the complete polar opposites of a shop like Gas Monkey Garage. I understand that most people don't have a budget anywhere near what a car like this would go for, nor are they going to the extremes of restoration, I think most people watching are probably working on something like what you would see on Fitzees channel or Uncle Tonys etc. but dam that crew at Gas Money... oh sorry Monkey, would just butcher cars on that show and that Richard guy thought the cars were such hot s$$t too.
I always felt that way about Chip Foose.
Except for the single stage paint
I must be missing something. All that is salvaged from the first car is the roof because that has the correct numbers. Everything else is being replaced with aftermarket parts. Because the original "correct number" roof is retained it will be authentic. The second one has correct numbers up front, but the back half has been replaced so it isn't authentic? I must have missed something somewhere.
I took it to be that the radiator frame plus firewall were removed from the desirable car and put into a less desirable car, The rear part of the car plus the chassis, roof, underbody, front panels are all from the less desirable car and some of those parts were altered to make them appear like they will on the more desirable car - welding in the badge holes on the boot to hide that the less desirable badge once went on. (Edit for spelling mistakes)
112159. Holy cow Batman. That’s my birthday!
they were two different car builds
Points and carbs forever.
Readjust the tinfoil in your hat. There's a reason those items went into the dustbin of history decades ago.
I retired a 15 year old Pontiac with 263K on the clock. Never touched the fuel infection system, and had one bad crankshaft sensor.
Not having to replace and adjust or rebuild parts is a beautiful thing
@@karrpilot7092 Tinfoil hats have nothing to do with it, me thinks. ;)
OMG, first time I have seen this channel! Interesting to watch BUT; building an old muscle car design from scratch, how much does this cost? My guess is, the resale value must not be good either? However, an old body design with modernized power and suspension components, etc, is probably far superior to the original! Purely a passion project for someone with a great deal of disposable income too, i'm impressed and bewildered at the same time.
You have a very interesting shop....... I see GREAT things coming out the back door,.... kinda like going to the showroom back in the 60's !....... FINE JOB MARK ! ....& CREW.👍👍👍
Not sure what sense it makes to hand build a car that crosses the auction block every few months in pristine condition for thousands less. Everyone knows you can’t hand make a car for less than a complete unit, I guess companies like Graveyard Cars are happy people still want this experience, good for you for providing this service.
An antique car is an investment....a bad investment. They cost more to fix than what they are worth. (But they are fun) I have a friend that collects "perfect cars". He says the way to get them is to let someone else restore them and buy it from their widow.
New drinking game: Take a shot every time you hear "started life as" 😂😂🍻
Q. If you have an original Cuda and it gets rear ended hard. How much of the original car do you need to keep for it to still be a real Cuda? Like the one that was built using just the roof? Where do you draw the line?
That discussion has been even philosophically brought up as "The Ship of Theseus" or "George Washington's Axe" and you'll probably NEVER get an agreement.
That explanation of why that 70 cuda wasn't real was awesome!
I am old enough to remember the Cuda when it was brand new. The quality of the build in this video is much better than the original. I was more of a GM guy back then, learned to drive in my dad's 72 Chevelle, and had my own 70 Chevelle. After I got married I was handed down a 69 Buick Custom Cruiser Wagon from her Grandpa and father, that car had a high compression 350.
Fantastic breakdown that you could never catch without the dip.
Mark is so clever with mopar stuff & he cracks me up but Alyssa & the rest of the crew must have the patience of the gods. 😂
what was the main difference between a Grand Coupe and a Cuda? Was one sportier, faster, more expensive?
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@@BrianMagnafici-mw5xh thanks for the clarification...ass hole
WOW, this guy has already forgotten more about a Chrysler than most will ever know.
Your knowledge still is amazing and very entertaining! Thank you so much for sharing your videos.
Man, I like to live in the past, but these people take it to the next level.
Guy has one great observation, tho, and I noticed the same thing. People that have to scrape to buy a new base model car take much better care of their car than people who can just write a blank check and get all the bells and whistles.
Some of those cars barely make it down the street from the lot before they are wrapped around a tree.
"Fruit of my loin" 😂😂😂 How proud he was is just awesome and so cool to see!!!
Top notch video, it was fascinating to watch a master teach and share their knowledge.
Been watching you guys for years. Just amazing work!
Mark can come off as being a tad self-absorbed, but he knows his stuff and SHARES it constantly. Can't argue about the job he does, though. Kudos.
I'm from Oregon, and my great uncle Larry who passed recently was a local legend who's custom cars even got into magazines. I wonder if he ever met these guys?
Learn every time I watch Mark, his knowledge is unsurpassed.
Thats is one young lady who is getting valubale knowledge. Real hands on experience there.
Awesome video. Very interesting learning about the Cars. When you build a car from scratch with all new panels such as the black car does it have to comply with modern cars? Does the dmv say its a brand new car or is it still classed as a classic car?
Can you de code a 57 Belvedere?
The transfer of knowledge between father and daughter is very impressive!
I have a question, when you get done building a car like that from scratch and from the ground up, does it smell like a new car does from the factory?
Loved how you went all CSI on that Cuda/Barracuda combo.
I was born in 1956 and grew up with the best cars and the best music. I grew up in the best of time!!!😊 When I was 16 my first car was a 1970 mustang Mach 1. It had a 351C with a Hurst 4 speed
❤ I am glad I found this channel today.
I have missed it so much after it was dropped from TV. ❤
Kid - hang onto that guy who was showing you how to put axles / brakes together. It's -RARE- to find patient, kind, helpful and willing to share. Learning mode on!
Amazing production quality. Thanks for posting
Are they built with soft Chinese re pop steel or oem panels?
How much does it cost to build a car up from the parts list ?? I would love to own one of these one day - the days of picking up a "used" one for sensible money seems long consigned to history tho ???
Btw, thanks for handing down your craft and knowledge to these kids, teaching them like this is super nice to see.........bravo to you, those kids are doing you proud.
You’re looking at a $150,000-$250,000 when all is said and done. That’s if you have a shop do it. Doing the work yourself probably would cost a quarter of that.
My very first car (later part of the 1970’s) was a 1970 Dodge Dart Swinger w/340 magnum. Was a weird green color and I loved that car. I sold it in high school to buy a buddies 1970 Dodge Challenger w/383 magnum. After graduation I traded it straight across for a 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner w/440 magnum. To this day I feel that Mopars are truly the best designed muscle cars of all time. 🤙
Hey Mark, I'm a huge Mopar fan, and I'm continually in awe at your Mopar knowledge. I love your show and the cars yall build. I have one question, how many times do you puke every time a classic car is destroyed in movie making, regardless of the make. Me personally, it breaks my heart to watch an old car destroyed for the sake of movie theatrics. I absolutely hate ford but even Bullitt or gone in 60 seconds hurts to watch.
I work for the company that built wills paint mixing rack. Kinda cool when you see something you helped to build. I'm in charge of the powder coating department.
Awesome that with a decent budget, full shop, decades of experience by the team, and great editing everything works well! What is the final all in cost compared with the value?