Firebox for the win. I just put in another Firebox order for TONS of the accessories, cook kit, coffee kit, all the burner cups and Trangia for fuel cannister attaching. Maybe the only thing I won't have is the baking kit for now as I'm just a single person. I bought my brother a G2 5 Inch Firebox like mine, its my favorite piece of backpacking gear. Thanks for sharing for people.
I prefer the Firebox G2 as well. There are multiple configurations you can use to cook with it from different fuel types, to different pot sizes. USA made with USA steel. Steve is a true outdoorsman, camper and excellent outdoor cook. All of his products are thoroughly tested by him and he elicits comments from his viewers to perfect any new product before bringing it to market. He also kickstarts every new product as well, so you are truly part of the creative process. Not many business owners out there who truly are into what they sell. Aerostitch, Springbar and Hilleberg are the only other ones that I’m aware of who are solely dedicated to quality products and serving their customers.
My G2 Firebox got warped after maybe 10-15 times of use. Bottom AND the sidewall it is supposed to attach to are warped = bottom falls out. My friend who has a firebox he has used for many years have seen me use mine and says I haven't misused it. The Swedish retailer said that of the thousands of fireboxes they have sold, this has only happened 6-7 times. Firebox USA have great goodwill, and will send me a new Firebox. Really good customer care.
A little known fact: the maker of the bushbox got his start by selling Firebox Stoves. Firebox is the original classic😎 the Firebox is more bomb proof and has more features and versatility 🙏
I believe that the Bushbox is a derivative of the Firebox. That said, in my opinion, it is still a very good stove .. I have the Bushbox LF. 'Imitation is the best form of Flattery' 😊.
Seeing as I'm not dropping bombs on most of my stoves, it sounds like there aren't a ton of differences. Bushbox is competition and you're using your social media presence to shit on them. I love my firebox nano, but it's not a good look to shit on people in your own community.
Hi from Malaysia. After trying a variety of twig stoves, I finally bit the bullet and got myself a Firebox stove plus accessories last year. It's a game changer with its flexibility - wood, solid fuel tablets, wood pellets, charcoal and of course with my alcohol stove fitted inside on the firesticks. It's a heavy bugger for sure but it' my go to one when I go out. Love the videos and have subscribed. Nice to remind myself of the english countryside having moved out here from the UK 17 years ago with my work. Was only suposed to be here for 6 months but have loved it from day 1. Summer all year round but very wet in our rainy season -Oct to March. Stay safe buddy and look forward to catching up with your previous posts. Cheers 😷😎🇲🇾
Both are great stoves. While the Bushbox has a larger window, you can add big pieces of fuel from the top on either side. Steve at Firebox now has a new model I'm really excited about, the Freestyle Modular Stove. Steve's store is in the same town my in-laws live in, it's a great little community and in a couple of the videos he's made I've recognized a few of the places he's been at. I also like that all of his stoves are offered in either stainless for less money, or titanium for less weight just like Bushbox does.
I’m enjoying this Vid, but I’m going all in early! Firebox G2, I love both of mine and all the gear I have with it, I’ve used it loads and am very used to all the different plates n grills I got with them! The more you use them the better you get at it!
Totally... To me, the two stoves are chalk and cheese ... I only keep the bushbox, in case someone (a neighborhood or friend) wants an emergency stove in a power cut or something... For real cooking, I'll use the firebox.... It's elegant in its operation...it definitely burns differently...both with wood, charcoal or wood pellets... I've done quite a few side by side burn tests, and the bushbox is inferior...simple as that. All the best ....👍
You might want to watch a few of Steve's videos to learn ALL of the features of his Firebox Stove and how to best experience them. It really makes a difference!
I’ve got the Firebox. I use mine for a fire sometimes. I make a Swedish Fire Torch and use it under my tarp. It just takes the chill off nicely. I generally use it when I’m in a fixed camp more. It’s a fair weight to carry! So for through hikes I use it’s little brother the Nano. It fits a Trangia, Trangia gas burner or wood with equal ease. They do seem to be six of one and half dozen of the other. They are certainly better than those metal stoves that are like a 3D jigsaw! Putting one of those together with cold wet hands wouldn’t be for me. Thanks for this video, and keep up the output please. Much appreciated.
I've got the Bushboxes Titanium XL and Lf with the multifunktioncartridge and accessories and the Firebox 5" G2 Titanium with all titanium accessories. This three Titanium Folding Hobos are the best and classics stoves. There are burn with wood, alcohol (Trangia, Evernew), esbit and gas (Trangia). I built a protector in titanium to grill with the gasburner from Trangia! Regards from Germany!
Firebox did a phenomenal job marketing their products, which gives them a clear advantage. Plus, the design has been tweaked and optimized by the owner through real life experience, making it one of the best twig stoves on the market. Now if they can only come up with a way to make it less messy :)
I bought the Firebox, 2nd generation, basically because it seemed to be the only stove that you can use as a fire, burning hot for hours, without warping etc. It also has so many different ways you can use it and tweak it, you need to watch Steve’s (the inventor) videos on the different ways you can use it. The only issue really, is the weight. There is the titanium version now, but it doesn’t see to be available in the UK yet, and I’m not sure whether it can be used for long period of very hot use, like the steel version can.
This is an excellent video and the best one on RUclips about comparing both stoves. I didn't know the firebox wasn't a real square. From what I can see, the Bushbox is easier to feed, but offers less wind protection. And the firebox has a way better airflow. And i like the fact that you've included several tips. Well done! you have a new subscriber. I have a medium sized KIHD titanium stove. And my next one will be the Firebox Stainless with the accessories.
The firebox sticks have many uses ... The obvious ones and as you showed moving the stove... They can also be used under ash tray to regulate burn ... You can also use them angled to V shape to hold a zebra Billy on its side to act as oven... You can also use them to attach both grill plates to side of stove as warmer for bread or keep brew warm... Fantastic in steel or Ti
Hi Dan , I used to have a Bushbox stove , but then I found this Fella who was making stoves to raise money for charities , and so I brought one of those , and it was hand delivered too ! . what more could one ask for , solid and sturdy ,and works a treat !😁
Got to be careful though, there was one guy who used to just review OEX and nothing else, ever. He said he was making stoves to raise money for charities, but after selling them suddenly started buying other stoves, more expensive stoves and other brands of camp gear 😁
@@Mat-kr1nf Not ' trying ' to say anything ! Its very clear what I'm saying. Maybe just coincidence that some reviewers, who only ever bought and reviewed budget goods, start selling their own goods advertised as all profits go to charity, suddenly are able to buy higher end, more expensive goods.
Count me in for team Firebox, if a Gen 3 ever debuts, I hope he opens the feed ports up just a bit, but honestly that's nit picking. I take my stainless steel 5" on the truck (I do long haul on the west coast us) and cook on board with a trangia spirit burner, and have a few wide spots in the road in some state/national forests that I park at and overnight near a couple different rivers, they fry up fish and taters like a boss!
When the sun goes down the bushbox tv screen cannot be beaten.Bushbox all the way. Gave my Firebox away. Grills much better on Bushbox too. Feed from the tv screen on the front when cooking. From the top when just using it for an contained fire.
I have Firebox stoves but think the Bushbox is probably just as useful. If you open the wind screen flap on the Firebox you can feed bigger chunks in. I would be happy to use either.
An excellent video that answered a question about my recently purchased Firebox, which is it’s not perfectly square when open. Doing the virgin burn tonight.
I use the SS firebox as a fire pit when camping from a vehicle. I also fill a large boiler pot(3-4 gallon) with water and sit it on the side of the FB(touching) at camp and it keeps the water hot for the duration. For backpacking, kayak or packraft trips I take the Ti bush box Lf and feel it's the sweet spot for size and weight. Enjoyed the video
Both ways I like top feeding but from the front if you need to top up during cooking. Your stove is still the best out there. Good video, thanks and stay safe.
I have only ever used the SS Firebox, and the other week I filled it with charcoal briquettes for some steaks, the whole stove glowed red and when it cooled and I packed it away there was no warping at all, it has good ventilation and the cutouts allow for expansion and contraction so this prevents warping and bending. I can’t afford the titanium version but I know Sandy the Wiltshire man loves his and it is about half the weight. Thanks for the video please keep them coming. Cheers
On the firebox it works a little better to put the ASH pan on before you slide the sticks into the outside. They help secure the ASH pan and prevent rattling. Good review
Great review! Really helpful to see them both together. I'm looking to get a firebox once they are back in stock. I have been using the Särmä Woodstove so far. It's a bit shorter and lighter. Cheap and sturdy but you have to puzzle it together.
Nice comparison of 2 great stoves . I have the bushbox LF and love it. Sometimes twig feed sometimes do upside down fire in it , whatever floats my boat at the time. Atb 👍
Have the Bushbox XL Ti. Used it plenty, and it keeps up nice for longtime stews, just feeding few sticks now and then. Don't use it for big fires. No warping, fast cool down. Next will be the Bushbox LF to replace my fireant.
One stove I always fancied getting but never did. Always like to see them in camping vids though. adds a level of comfort to a vid you just don't get when your cooking with gas or spirits. keep on using them in your vids.
Interesting comparison.... but you didnt mention the Firebox stove is £100 more expensive and harder to source.! Sorry , for me the Bushbox wins hands down!! Does the same job and gives me £100 to spend on other stuff I might need ie a Garberg and a Silky Pocketboy to process the fuel to make the stove work!
👍👍👍 .. good review .. thanks. I've got the Bushbox LF. I follow the Firebox Site .. however, living in Switzerland, it was more convenient to order my Bushbox from Germany, just across the river. To date, I'm very happy with the Bushbox. Coming Old Year's Eve, I'm going to sit under a blanket on my 3rd floor flat balcony, ably assisted by my little Malti-Poo sitting next to me, toast marshmallows over the Bushbox and Charcoal, drink Glühwein and watch the firework displays 😊. Heat sources? Wood, Charcoal in 'sensitive areas' (similar to 'stealth camping' 😏), Alcohol / Methylated Spirits and Gel (Sicherheitsbrennpaste).
I still haven't bit the bullet and got one of there yet. I have one of the cheap amazon £12 jobs but it is tricky to slot together. I have used it alot. I also treated myself to a Kelly Kettle Scout with the Hobo stove aswell.
I keep looking at twig burners, there’s nothing like a fire to cook on! One vid I watched used it like a Swedish torch with chunky branches rammed in! Stay safe atb 👍🦊
The Firebox is an odd asymmetric shape which I am not keen on, it’s heavier and overly complicated. Too many clever gimmicks, in the woods I want simple so for me the Bush box is just that. It heats up well, is great to cook on with pan or grill and is simple so gets my vote.
looking at them and I could be wrong if you want one to just boil water the fire box burns faster hotter so ideal for tea coffee, the bush box with less vents burns longer and not so hot…better for cooking on..? Just a thought…..
Hi Nice post, I have a question stainless or titanium. obviously the titanium is lighter, but what about life span dose the titanium burner last as long dose it bend with the heat, is it as hard wearing. can you do a comparison please. I have been looking at the honey well hive burner. I think that's its name. Can you help please
@@englishwoodsman im finding it hard to get the right deal they it doesn't seem to come in a whole package with the trays and everything in your vid where did you buy from with everything all in thankyou
I am going to get a turkey cook in bag to snuff the fire. Those see through bags are heat resistant. I always snuff my charcoal so I can reuse the charcoal. Half burnt wood probably the same. I prefer charcoal as its light enough to carry a small bag around
I only have experience with the one tigris calcifer stove and the one you made, both have tons of air flow and both have generous feeding holes. I like to fill them up to get started then feed thru the hole once I am cooking.
Oh, lads and lassies, as a German I feel a bit flabbergasted to find myself in the role of defending the British option: big fan of the honey stove here! I like the versatility to go from 4 to six to 8 elements. And all in all it is light (although I don’t care since I usually just drag myself into nature and have a good time - no hour-long hikes and such young people stuff) and simple - just like I once was. I understand the merits of the other stoves - but for me it is (like most relevant things) a matter of the heart. So🍯🔥for me!
I can't really comment on the larger wood burners but the little Firebox Nano2 and the little folding Lixada stoves (both in steel) don't seem to mind as big a piece of wood that will fit.
Mate I can say even from not owning them that your little firebox grill plate is actually the solid fuel plate made for wood pellets and charcoal and such as the smaller grill plate actually has tangs to hold it in place, I think it's funny that everyone kicks off when you put a Swedish log in the bushbox yet the firebox stove don't get this as I believe it's in the instructions according to Welsh woodsman
I have a 8 quid lixada one, the EWM stove, and a Richard Outdoors Fire Trough kit.. I'd rather support creators tbh. Both EWM and RO donated part of the cost to charity, not shareholders. Both good stoves, and no doubt less fiddly than building from components, but ultimately I can light a fire and use any of them. My only comment is that smaller ones need constant tending to as their capacity is tiny. For a make shift campfire arrangement, the Fire Trough (long wide stove, plenty of heat.) For cooking on, EWM stove. For making a brew, Lixada, though it's a lot of feeding twigs. 🤷♂️
The only reason I can imagine hooking one of this things hot is to move because of rain and you have a tarp cover up say for a hammock that you can duck under.
Im fairly certain that they all do thr same thing i.e. Contain a fire and allow you to cook... Regardless of how much you want to waste your money. The £30 ones are just as good. But the cheapest ones do warp a bit. If you want to spend £100+ on one then you are just insane or insanely rich.
Sometimes you have to spend more for quality. Just like anything else in life. Yes cheap ones can contain a fire and allow you to cook on it but most don’t do it as efficiently as the Firebox and Bushbox. And cheap ones don’t last and are often flimsy and after a few burns a pain in the ass to keep in position.
@@crazyhorsejohnny1974 well ive got 3 of them ranging from £20 to £40 and two of my mates have the Fire box. I'll admit now that the £20 one is not great at all but we all purchased the other ones at the same time (give or take a couple of months) and all of them (3 years later) still work as well as each other and show no signs at all of breaking... So sorry but you haven't made a good argument mate. Until someone can truly prove that the overly priced ones can do more than the ones I've got then I'll stand very firmly by what I said. And to be honest with you, both of my mates who have the fire box do love them but also admit that my two good ones are no less inferior... So my opinion is based on a 3 year test/experiment and from 1st hand accounts on both sides.
@@boyzinthewood9933 I have cheap ones as well and yeah some are better than others. Some have warped so much you can’t even put them together. Others are still functional. For me I’d still rather spend more to get a product that you know you can depend on when you go out in the woods. I have an original Firebox and it’s still kicks ass. I can boil water faster and cook food with less wood than every other cheap stove I’ve used.
Hi Dan. Hope your well. They are both good imho. Have you ever tried or built a ammo box stove? It would be quite easy for you or one of your workmates to knock up one at work, I would imagine. Stay Well.
Good video mate. I think I prefer the bushbox but is it really worth that price, or would it be worth getting a onetigris devil eyes, which I think is the same dimensions for a quarter of the price
Bush box 100% for me, miles better design and better quality. With the firebox it looks like the designer did a half arsed bogeyed attempt at copying and failed. If you've got the money go for the ti bushbox, you won't look back. 👍
actually, you have that backwards. The Firebox came out at least 2 years prior to the bush box and Bushcraft essentials got their start by selling Fireboxe Stoves as our exclusive distributor in Germany.
@@fireboxstove I had the firebox originally, found it not very good, design rubbish and sold it, bought the Bush box instead found it miles better, never looked back.
I have a firebox stove and I really don’t like it. I have to buy a bunch of accessories to get full use of it. Or I can spend 150.00 to get the new firebox freestyle.
There's literally no contest . I got rid of my bushbox and bought the firebox . My bushbox warped . The firebox has anti warping features . No brainer. The firebox has a plethora of extra features and capabilities not found on the bushbox.
Thanks for taking the time to compare the two stoves. Now as far as I am concerned in order to compare a few things one must keep in mind, the #1 is the Price point fire Box is at the low end and the Bush box is at the higher end without using any fancy Titanium metal. #2 stability in both stoves is awful to try to find stable ground in extreme weather . This is a good time stove for a solo wanderer in the forest not too far from the city limits or your backyard. #3 will my hotdogs or sausages, or corn on the cob stay upon the terrible uneven flat top with no containment for your food from rolling off down a hill and me chasing after them something out of Charlie Caplin movie. # 4 if your 1 container of Trangia fuel that lasts for about 18-22 minutes runs out and the food is not cooked, what do you do, how many small canisters do you have to carry . This company is putting stoves out every few months after retooling them, in an office environment. #5 How can a family of 4 survive a single stove. How many stoves do you need?. A big redesign should be in the work and field test, we don't want a Leggo set. Thanks maybe we should give both stoves to the boys at Herefordshire Uk to see what they have to say. Thanks . The perfect stove is not here but may be yet to come.
I think you are way off, Douglas. Your assessment on how these stoves are used is completely wrong. If you can't figure out how to cook hotdogs, sausages, and corn on the cob using these stoves, then the problem is not with the stoves. Are you planning on cooking a full holiday meal on these stoves? It's camping, Douglas. I've watched a number of videos where these stoves have been used to cook roasts, bake bread, and entire meals for families using a single stove. A family of four may eat in stages, but again, this is camping and not a formal holiday meal. I just watched a recently-released video from last November where Steve from Firebox was in his office, the Utah wilderness, with his dogs, goats, camping gear, and fishing rod, field testing his new Freestyle stove. I've drawn up plans for gear in my office, then field tested equipment, and I am sure these stoves are tested similarly. Just about every one of your points is ridiculous. How much fuel do you need to carry? Only you know that, but you can always burn sticks. How do you cook hotdogs, sausages, and corn? These stoves are entirely adequate for cooking any of that stuff, as both come with flat top grilling surfaces, but you can always use a pan. Don't you use a pan or pot at home? These light weight, portable, collapsible stoves are a compromise, just as everything you use and take with you on a hike or camping trip is. Drag your oven into the forest if that's what you need to prepare a meal.
Not sure which company you are referring to when you say they are putting out untested stoves but.......it can't be Firebox. Have you seen the amount of content Steve (the owner of Firebox) puts out? He's out in the backcountry "testing" his stoves in real world conditions and demonstrating their utility so often it makes me wonder whether he's ever "in" the office!! Meanwhile I'll try to answer your questions in the order they appear. Stable ground in extreme weather? The ground is the ground regardless of the weather, though the weather can affect my patience levels for finding "the perfect" spot regardless of the stove I'm carrying. Meanwhile I find my Firebox to be no more challenging to place perfectly than my cannister stoves which have a smaller footprint and much higher center of gravity once the pot is in place. (I do like my MSR Whisper Lite for this reason as it has a very low center of gravity and tripod legs but it runs really hot and is not always great to cook/simmer on without scorching.) Rolling hot dogs? One of the cool things about the FBox stove is its configuration versatility. There are multiple ways to configure the stove using the firesticks and or placement of grill plates such that you can "wall in" roll-prone foods like sausages or corn on the cobb to keep them from rolling off the stove and down the steep hills you seem to camp on. :-) OR...you can simply put a pan on top and cook in the pan as you would otherwise have to do on any other cannister / liquid fuel stove system....as nobody enjoys the taste of a sausage cooked over propane or white gas. Running out of alcohol fuel when using the Trangia and how many cannisters do you need to carry? (Note: Trangia stoves don't use cannisters...they run on liquid alcohol which can be carried in a bottle and the stove can be re-fueled with a simple re-pour of fuel) So, you'd do what you'd have to do any other time you are camping/cooking with an alcohol burner stove system. You'd add more fuel then re-light. Easy peasy. Most people who use Trangia style stoves are familiar with carrying the amount of fuel they estimate they'll need according to the duration of their trip. Most of us use a simple Vargo squeeze bottle, or one of the Trangia fuel bottles with their trick little no-spill pouring spout. They are super convenient and make re-filling the stove hassle free. Survival for a family of 4? This felt like an odd question. Feeding a family of 4 in the woods, whether recreationally or in a survival situation, is going to take what it takes regardless of the stove system and thus the expectations of sitting down together as though you were at home will need to be adjusted. These debris stoves are no more (or less) capable of cranking out food for a large group than cannister stoves or any other single burner/heat source systems which only hold one pan/pot at a time. It doesn't matter much what stove system(s) you use in a group setting...the problem remains the same. If you want to crank out food for everyone simultaneously so everyone sits down to a hot meal at the exact same time, you'll need as many heat sources for as many pots/pans as you need to run simultaneously. Solutions for this problem include building a larger fire and cooking in/over it directly with multiple or larger pots pans......carrying additional heat sources and/or running something like the Jetboil Base Camp two burner system with an extra Luna burner on the side which will get you to 3 gas burners, run you about $350USD and be WAAAAAYYY heavier and bulkier and requires you carry fuel cannisters....or staying home and cooking in your kitchen. As a rule I generally figure on the need for at least one heat source for every 2 people on the trip with a pot large enough to boil water for 2 (as most dehydrated meal bags can be found in "serves 2" size) and/or a pan are large enough to support cooking for two. So 4 people = 2 stoves with pots or pans of suitable volume and some adjusted expectations on complexity of the meal unless you are Steve from FB who seems to be able to crank out gourmet dinners on his stoves!! Field testing and lego sets? Again....the FB stove may be one of the most extensively "field tested by owner" stoves out there so we can set that critique aside. As for being a lego set, one of the main advantages to both the stoves (as noted in the video) is that there's virtually no assembly required. They simply collapse flat and expand back on hinges with no complicated puzzle piece assembly required. If you can flatten a cake box and open it up again, you can assemble both of these stoves. So the lego critique, along with most of the others, feels more like carping for carping's sake rather than any valid criticisms. The "perfect" stove is not here because there's no such thing. Perfect in what sense? Perfect for cranking out a catered meal for 15 guests? Perfect for melting snow at 14,000 feet? Perfect for fast boiling water to re=hydrate foods? Perfect for slow simmering without scorching? Perfect for using commercial fuels that are locally available? Perfect for foregoing commercial fuel altogether and using found debris? Every one of those (and more) necessitates radically different stoves IMO.
Im a woodstove junkie,both stoves are great and enjoy using them.Steve from Firebox is a cool guy and makes good videos using his products.
Firebox for the win.
I just put in another Firebox order for TONS of the accessories, cook kit, coffee kit, all the burner cups and Trangia for fuel cannister attaching. Maybe the only thing I won't have is the baking kit for now as I'm just a single person. I bought my brother a G2 5 Inch Firebox like mine, its my favorite piece of backpacking gear.
Thanks for sharing for people.
I prefer the Firebox G2 as well. There are multiple configurations you can use to cook with it from different fuel types, to different pot sizes. USA made with USA steel. Steve is a true outdoorsman, camper and excellent outdoor cook. All of his products are thoroughly tested by him and he elicits comments from his viewers to perfect any new product before bringing it to market. He also kickstarts every new product as well, so you are truly part of the creative process. Not many business owners out there who truly are into what they sell. Aerostitch, Springbar and Hilleberg are the only other ones that I’m aware of who are solely dedicated to quality products and serving their customers.
My G2 Firebox got warped after maybe 10-15 times of use. Bottom AND the sidewall it is supposed to attach to are warped = bottom falls out. My friend who has a firebox he has used for many years have seen me use mine and says I haven't misused it.
The Swedish retailer said that of the thousands of fireboxes they have sold, this has only happened 6-7 times. Firebox USA have great goodwill, and will send me a new Firebox. Really good customer care.
A little known fact: the maker of the bushbox got his start by selling Firebox Stoves. Firebox is the original classic😎 the Firebox is more bomb proof and has more features and versatility 🙏
Usted es un grande, los demás son imitadores, sigo sus videos hermosos y sus geniales mascotas
Firebox or die! Firebox for life! You are the man Steve!
I believe that the Bushbox is a derivative of the Firebox.
That said, in my opinion, it is still a very good stove .. I have the Bushbox LF.
'Imitation is the best form of Flattery' 😊.
Usualy derivative from original can be improved version.
Seeing as I'm not dropping bombs on most of my stoves, it sounds like there aren't a ton of differences. Bushbox is competition and you're using your social media presence to shit on them. I love my firebox nano, but it's not a good look to shit on people in your own community.
Hi from Malaysia. After trying a variety of twig stoves, I finally bit the bullet and got myself a Firebox stove plus accessories last year. It's a game changer with its flexibility - wood, solid fuel tablets, wood pellets, charcoal and of course with my alcohol stove fitted inside on the firesticks. It's a heavy bugger for sure but it' my go to one when I go out. Love the videos and have subscribed. Nice to remind myself of the english countryside having moved out here from the UK 17 years ago with my work. Was only suposed to be here for 6 months but have loved it from day 1. Summer all year round but very wet in our rainy season -Oct to March. Stay safe buddy and look forward to catching up with your previous posts. Cheers 😷😎🇲🇾
Both are great stoves. While the Bushbox has a larger window, you can add big pieces of fuel from the top on either side. Steve at Firebox now has a new model I'm really excited about, the Freestyle Modular Stove. Steve's store is in the same town my in-laws live in, it's a great little community and in a couple of the videos he's made I've recognized a few of the places he's been at. I also like that all of his stoves are offered in either stainless for less money, or titanium for less weight just like Bushbox does.
I’m enjoying this Vid, but I’m going all in early! Firebox G2, I love both of mine and all the gear I have with it, I’ve used it loads and am very used to all the different plates n grills I got with them! The more you use them the better you get at it!
Thanks Matt 👍😎
Totally... To me, the two stoves are chalk and cheese
... I only keep the bushbox, in case someone (a neighborhood or friend) wants an emergency stove in a power cut or something... For real cooking, I'll use the firebox.... It's elegant in its operation...it definitely burns differently...both with wood, charcoal or wood pellets... I've done quite a few side by side burn tests, and the bushbox is inferior...simple as that.
All the best ....👍
I just got the Firebox Stove only used it once so far im liking it
You might want to watch a few of Steve's videos to learn ALL of the features of his Firebox Stove and how to best experience them. It really makes a difference!
I’ve got the Firebox. I use mine for a fire sometimes. I make a Swedish Fire Torch and use it under my tarp. It just takes the chill off nicely. I generally use it when I’m in a fixed camp more. It’s a fair weight to carry! So for through hikes I use it’s little brother the Nano. It fits a Trangia, Trangia gas burner or wood with equal ease.
They do seem to be six of one and half dozen of the other.
They are certainly better than those metal stoves that are like a 3D jigsaw! Putting one of those together with cold wet hands wouldn’t be for me.
Thanks for this video, and keep up the output please. Much appreciated.
Thanks 👍😎
Yeah, but the thing is not all people are clumsy, or gammy handed like yourself.
@@Chris66able You’ve clearly seen examples of my attempts at DIY! 😆😆👍
@@stetomlinson3146 Maybe, I'm a dab hand at DIY, I love the Honey Stove.
I've got both, both do a great job. I take out whichever is at the front of my kit cupboard when I'm off out.
I've got the Bushboxes Titanium XL and Lf with the multifunktioncartridge and accessories and the Firebox 5" G2 Titanium with all titanium accessories.
This three Titanium Folding Hobos are the best and classics stoves. There are burn with wood, alcohol (Trangia, Evernew), esbit and gas (Trangia). I built a protector in titanium to grill with the gasburner from Trangia! Regards from Germany!
Nice job. Thank you. I have the BushboxLF. Love it. I’m honestly thinking of getting the Firebox to.
Firebox did a phenomenal job marketing their products, which gives them a clear advantage. Plus, the design has been tweaked and optimized by the owner through real life experience, making it one of the best twig stoves on the market. Now if they can only come up with a way to make it less messy :)
you only like because you are american and the stove is made in USA, right?
@@Gute_Laune_Boy I like it because it's awesome. I have no idea where it's made.
G2 titanium firebox is my all time favorite. It’s the Swiss Army knife of camp stoves.
Love your intro’. I found myself wavin’ at the screen! 😂
I bought the Firebox, 2nd generation, basically because it seemed to be the only stove that you can use as a fire, burning hot for hours, without warping etc. It also has so many different ways you can use it and tweak it, you need to watch Steve’s (the inventor) videos on the different ways you can use it. The only issue really, is the weight. There is the titanium version now, but it doesn’t see to be available in the UK yet, and I’m not sure whether it can be used for long period of very hot use, like the steel version can.
This is an excellent video and the best one on RUclips about comparing both stoves. I didn't know the firebox wasn't a real square. From what I can see, the Bushbox is easier to feed, but offers less wind protection. And the firebox has a way better airflow. And i like the fact that you've included several tips. Well done! you have a new subscriber.
I have a medium sized KIHD titanium stove. And my next one will be the Firebox Stainless with the accessories.
The firebox sticks have many uses ... The obvious ones and as you showed moving the stove... They can also be used under ash tray to regulate burn ... You can also use them angled to V shape to hold a zebra Billy on its side to act as oven... You can also use them to attach both grill plates to side of stove as warmer for bread or keep brew warm... Fantastic in steel or Ti
Thanks 👍😎
@@fireboxstove ❤️🤟
Made my first Nimble Will flat pack stove back in 2009, I think he is still going too, one of the the most prolific outdoor hikers ever!
Hi Dan , I used to have a Bushbox stove , but then I found this Fella who was making stoves to raise money for charities , and so I brought one of those , and it was hand delivered too ! . what more could one ask for , solid and sturdy ,and works a treat !😁
Me too! I bought one all the way from Louisiana, wish he’d do a cooking video on his!;) I’ve been asking!
Got to be careful though, there was one guy who used to just review OEX and nothing else, ever. He said he was making stoves to raise money for charities, but after selling them suddenly started buying other stoves, more expensive stoves and other brands of camp gear 😁
@@Chris66able That’s not funny, what are you trying to say?
@@Mat-kr1nf Not ' trying ' to say anything ! Its very clear what I'm saying. Maybe just coincidence that some reviewers, who only ever bought and reviewed budget goods, start selling their own goods advertised as all profits go to charity, suddenly are able to buy higher end, more expensive goods.
Count me in for team Firebox, if a Gen 3 ever debuts, I hope he opens the feed ports up just a bit, but honestly that's nit picking. I take my stainless steel 5" on the truck (I do long haul on the west coast us) and cook on board with a trangia spirit burner, and have a few wide spots in the road in some state/national forests that I park at and overnight near a couple different rivers, they fry up fish and taters like a boss!
Thanx for the side by side comparison.Ive got a Tigris,and each season gets harder to put slots into slots.The hinged frame looks more reliable.🤠🇺🇲
When the sun goes down the bushbox tv screen cannot be beaten.Bushbox all the way. Gave my Firebox away. Grills much better on Bushbox too. Feed from the tv screen on the front when cooking. From the top when just using it for an contained fire.
I have Firebox stoves but think the Bushbox is probably just as useful. If you open the wind screen flap on the Firebox you can feed bigger chunks in. I would be happy to use either.
I prefer firebox just because I like the firebox guy more. I like his channel and seems like a genuinely good guy.
Almost no assembly required. That's one thing I like about these. Thanks
An excellent video that answered a question about my recently purchased Firebox, which is it’s not perfectly square when open. Doing the virgin burn tonight.
I use the SS firebox as a fire pit when camping from a vehicle. I also fill a large boiler pot(3-4 gallon) with water and sit it on the side of the FB(touching) at camp and it keeps the water hot for the duration. For backpacking, kayak or packraft trips I take the Ti bush box Lf and feel it's the sweet spot for size and weight. Enjoyed the video
I have watched a few of your videos now. Very Good. Thank You--most interststing and helpful .
Both ways I like top feeding but from the front if you need to top up during cooking. Your stove is still the best out there. Good video, thanks and stay safe.
I have only ever used the SS Firebox, and the other week I filled it with charcoal briquettes for some steaks, the whole stove glowed red and when it cooled and I packed it away there was no warping at all, it has good ventilation and the cutouts allow for expansion and contraction so this prevents warping and bending. I can’t afford the titanium version but I know Sandy the Wiltshire man loves his and it is about half the weight. Thanks for the video please keep them coming. Cheers
Thanks Paul 👍😎
On the firebox it works a little better to put the ASH pan on before you slide the sticks into the outside. They help secure the ASH pan and prevent rattling. Good review
Great review! Really helpful to see them both together. I'm looking to get a firebox once they are back in stock. I have been using the Särmä Woodstove so far. It's a bit shorter and lighter. Cheap and sturdy but you have to puzzle it together.
Very detailed review. Really appreciate it makes a person more wise the choice. I'll prefer titanium for weight purposes.
Nice comparison of 2 great stoves . I have the bushbox LF and love it. Sometimes twig feed sometimes do upside down fire in it , whatever floats my boat at the time. Atb 👍
Have the Bushbox XL Ti. Used it plenty, and it keeps up nice for longtime stews, just feeding few sticks now and then. Don't use it for big fires. No warping, fast cool down. Next will be the Bushbox LF to replace my fireant.
I have the Nano and its terrific. I think I'll go with the Bushbox because its substantially lighter than the Firebox. Great video.
One stove I always fancied getting but never did. Always like to see them in camping vids though. adds a level of comfort to a vid you just don't get when your cooking with gas or spirits.
keep on using them in your vids.
Brilliant idea great for motor bike bike camping light
Merci beaucoup pour cette vidéo très complète et intéressante, votre accent anglais est un plus 😉
Interesting comparison.... but you didnt mention the Firebox stove is £100 more expensive and harder to source.! Sorry , for me the Bushbox wins hands down!! Does the same job and gives me £100 to spend on other stuff I might need ie a Garberg and a Silky Pocketboy to process the fuel to make the stove work!
👍👍👍 .. good review .. thanks.
I've got the Bushbox LF. I follow the Firebox Site .. however, living in Switzerland, it was more convenient to order my Bushbox from Germany, just across the river.
To date, I'm very happy with the Bushbox.
Coming Old Year's Eve, I'm going to sit under a blanket on my 3rd floor flat balcony, ably assisted by my little Malti-Poo sitting next to me, toast marshmallows over the Bushbox and Charcoal, drink Glühwein and watch the firework displays 😊.
Heat sources? Wood, Charcoal in 'sensitive areas' (similar to 'stealth camping' 😏), Alcohol / Methylated Spirits and Gel (Sicherheitsbrennpaste).
I went with the bushbox titanium xl because of price. 127 shipped. The firebox titanium was over 200$!
I still haven't bit the bullet and got one of there yet. I have one of the cheap amazon £12 jobs but it is tricky to slot together. I have used it alot. I also treated myself to a Kelly Kettle Scout with the Hobo stove aswell.
What is your view of the small skyemac wood stove if you have one?
I keep looking at twig burners, there’s nothing like a fire to cook on! One vid I watched used it like a Swedish torch with chunky branches rammed in! Stay safe atb 👍🦊
Great review mate like watching your videos, your proper down to earth bloke, genuine, think I'll get one 👍
I do both, fill it up then poke stuff in , I also like putting charcoal from the fire in it first, stole that one from firebox Steve's channel
Im new to this method. I see lots use that bundle of something to start the fire, how is it called?
Very clear and helpful. Thank you!
The Firebox is an odd asymmetric shape which I am not keen on, it’s heavier and overly complicated. Too many clever gimmicks, in the woods I want simple so for me the Bush box is just that. It heats up well, is great to cook on with pan or grill and is simple so gets my vote.
I think he was using the Firebox Adjustable Fire Grate as a grill. The actual grills (both sizes) slot on to the top of the stove, not inside.
looking at them and I could be wrong if you want one to just boil water the fire box burns faster hotter so ideal for tea coffee, the bush box with less vents burns longer and not so hot…better for cooking on..?
Just a thought…..
Great video again Dan love both stoves I tend to use a mini swedish fire log in mine burns a good half an hour without constant filling them up 👌👍👍👍👍
I prefer the bushbox, I dont use it very often as I have shifted to a pomoly wood stove but when i do I use the swedish torch method.
I like the bush box XL ,I also like the new titanium version but I can't justify paying £140 for it though
Dear lord where do u live :O Here in Denmark that version is £85
Firebox all day every day. I have one and its all I need.
Hi Nice post, I have a question stainless or titanium. obviously the titanium is lighter, but what about life span dose the titanium burner last as long dose it bend with the heat, is it as hard wearing. can you do a comparison please. I have been looking at the honey well hive burner. I think that's its name. Can you help please
Both seem like they are capable of doing the job your looking for to be honest Dan.All the best big man 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴👍🏻👍🏻
Nice review mate, thanks for uploading. Both look like good stoves 😊👍🏕️🌲
The Firebox seems to have a more powerful/quicker burn design, but you did put thicker pieces of wood in the Bushbox.
Do you prefer the stainless steel or the titanium don't know which one to buy could do with advice thankyou
Stainless because the titanium or too expensive
@@englishwoodsman im finding it hard to get the right deal they it doesn't seem to come in a whole package with the trays and everything in your vid where did you buy from with everything all in thankyou
I am going to get a turkey cook in bag to snuff the fire. Those see through bags are heat resistant. I always snuff my charcoal so I can reuse the charcoal. Half burnt wood probably the same. I prefer charcoal as its light enough to carry a small bag around
Good review, I've just bought a cheaper version to get started with, as I've just bought my gear and spent a lot lol, so I'll see how it goes
I have three FireBox stoves. No need to get a bush box. 😀
I only have experience with the one tigris calcifer stove and the one you made, both have tons of air flow and both have generous feeding holes. I like to fill them up to get started then feed thru the hole once I am cooking.
Oh, lads and lassies, as a German I feel a bit flabbergasted to find myself in the role of defending the British option: big fan of the honey stove here! I like the versatility to go from 4 to six to 8 elements. And all in all it is light (although I don’t care since I usually just drag myself into nature and have a good time - no hour-long hikes and such young people stuff) and simple - just like I once was. I understand the merits of the other stoves - but for me it is (like most relevant things) a matter of the heart. So🍯🔥for me!
FB then , now and in the future 🤘
Bushbox = better. Just got a Firebox. Shame I didn't see this clip sooner.
Thanks fir sharing.
Why?
I can't really comment on the larger wood burners but the little Firebox Nano2 and the little folding Lixada stoves (both in steel) don't seem to mind as big a piece of wood that will fit.
Idk why but it bothers me that it's not squared...
Mate I can say even from not owning them that your little firebox grill plate is actually the solid fuel plate made for wood pellets and charcoal and such as the smaller grill plate actually has tangs to hold it in place, I think it's funny that everyone kicks off when you put a Swedish log in the bushbox yet the firebox stove don't get this as I believe it's in the instructions according to Welsh woodsman
I have a 8 quid lixada one, the EWM stove, and a Richard Outdoors Fire Trough kit.. I'd rather support creators tbh. Both EWM and RO donated part of the cost to charity, not shareholders.
Both good stoves, and no doubt less fiddly than building from components, but ultimately I can light a fire and use any of them.
My only comment is that smaller ones need constant tending to as their capacity is tiny. For a make shift campfire arrangement, the Fire Trough (long wide stove, plenty of heat.) For cooking on, EWM stove. For making a brew, Lixada, though it's a lot of feeding twigs. 🤷♂️
The only reason I can imagine hooking one of this things hot is to move because of rain and you have a tarp cover up say for a hammock that you can duck under.
The bushbox xl you can now buy in titanium. Much lighter than the one in stainless steel.
Anything beats that firebox.
Im fairly certain that they all do thr same thing i.e. Contain a fire and allow you to cook... Regardless of how much you want to waste your money. The £30 ones are just as good. But the cheapest ones do warp a bit. If you want to spend £100+ on one then you are just insane or insanely rich.
Sometimes you have to spend more for quality. Just like anything else in life. Yes cheap ones can contain a fire and allow you to cook on it but most don’t do it as efficiently as the Firebox and Bushbox. And cheap ones don’t last and are often flimsy and after a few burns a pain in the ass to keep in position.
@@crazyhorsejohnny1974 well ive got 3 of them ranging from £20 to £40 and two of my mates have the Fire box. I'll admit now that the £20 one is not great at all but we all purchased the other ones at the same time (give or take a couple of months) and all of them (3 years later) still work as well as each other and show no signs at all of breaking... So sorry but you haven't made a good argument mate. Until someone can truly prove that the overly priced ones can do more than the ones I've got then I'll stand very firmly by what I said. And to be honest with you, both of my mates who have the fire box do love them but also admit that my two good ones are no less inferior... So my opinion is based on a 3 year test/experiment and from 1st hand accounts on both sides.
@@boyzinthewood9933 I have cheap ones as well and yeah some are better than others. Some have warped so much you can’t even put them together. Others are still functional. For me I’d still rather spend more to get a product that you know you can depend on when you go out in the woods. I have an original Firebox and it’s still kicks ass. I can boil water faster and cook food with less wood than every other cheap stove I’ve used.
@@crazyhorsejohnny1974 fair enough mate, courses for horses.
Anyone have experience with the Winnerwell backpack stove? I’m trying to decide between these three.
Which one of you guys is going to be the first to cook on COAL! Sorry for using the four letter word.
Be the first Dan.
Off to challenge Kenty.
Hi Dan 👋 like this blog why not try a gasifier stove, got one myself find it ok also I can use my tranga on it, may be worth a look 👍
Do more comparisons please
Hi Dan.
Hope your well.
They are both good imho.
Have you ever tried or built a ammo box stove?
It would be quite easy for you or one of your workmates to knock up one at work, I would imagine.
Stay Well.
Firebox for me!
Good video mate. I think I prefer the bushbox but is it really worth that price, or would it be worth getting a onetigris devil eyes, which I think is the same dimensions for a quarter of the price
Firebox hands down
Bush box 100% for me, miles better design and better quality. With the firebox it looks like the designer did a half arsed bogeyed attempt at copying and failed.
If you've got the money go for the ti bushbox, you won't look back. 👍
actually, you have that backwards. The Firebox came out at least 2 years prior to the bush box and Bushcraft essentials got their start by selling Fireboxe Stoves as our exclusive distributor in Germany.
@@fireboxstove
I had the firebox originally, found it not very good, design rubbish and sold it, bought the Bush box instead found it miles better, never looked back.
I have a firebox stove and I really don’t like it. I have to buy a bunch of accessories to get full use of it. Or I can spend 150.00 to get the new firebox freestyle.
Fireboxstove for sure
There's literally no contest .
I got rid of my bushbox and bought the firebox .
My bushbox warped .
The firebox has anti warping features .
No brainer.
The firebox has a plethora of extra features and capabilities not found on the bushbox.
Yours is better than both them Dan. Why don’t you use yours more
I don’t like the bush box trivets, they are too tight, too short and need pliers to place or remove when hot.
I go... FireBox
Can’t a coffee can do essentially the same thing for a lot less money? 🤔
Be Well my Friend , Respect .👍
The Bushbox warps more than the Firebox. So for me it’s the Firebox. But I’d still take a Bushbox over a cheap one.
Thanks for taking the time to compare the two stoves. Now as far as I am concerned in order to compare a few things one must keep in mind, the #1 is the Price point fire Box is at the low end and the Bush box is at the higher end without using any fancy Titanium metal. #2 stability in both stoves is awful to try to find stable ground in extreme weather . This is a good time stove for a solo wanderer in the forest not too far from the city limits or your backyard. #3 will my hotdogs or sausages, or corn on the cob stay upon the terrible uneven flat top with no containment for your food from rolling off down a hill and me chasing after them something out of Charlie Caplin movie. # 4 if your 1 container of Trangia fuel that lasts for about 18-22 minutes runs out and the food is not cooked, what do you do, how many small canisters do you have to carry . This company is putting stoves out every few months after retooling them, in an office environment. #5 How can a family of 4 survive a single stove. How many stoves do you need?. A big redesign should be in the work and field test, we don't want a Leggo set. Thanks maybe we should give both stoves to the boys at Herefordshire Uk to see what they have to say. Thanks . The perfect stove is not here but may be yet to come.
I think you are way off, Douglas. Your assessment on how these stoves are used is completely wrong. If you can't figure out how to cook hotdogs, sausages, and corn on the cob using these stoves, then the problem is not with the stoves. Are you planning on cooking a full holiday meal on these stoves? It's camping, Douglas. I've watched a number of videos where these stoves have been used to cook roasts, bake bread, and entire meals for families using a single stove. A family of four may eat in stages, but again, this is camping and not a formal holiday meal. I just watched a recently-released video from last November where Steve from Firebox was in his office, the Utah wilderness, with his dogs, goats, camping gear, and fishing rod, field testing his new Freestyle stove. I've drawn up plans for gear in my office, then field tested equipment, and I am sure these stoves are tested similarly. Just about every one of your points is ridiculous. How much fuel do you need to carry? Only you know that, but you can always burn sticks. How do you cook hotdogs, sausages, and corn? These stoves are entirely adequate for cooking any of that stuff, as both come with flat top grilling surfaces, but you can always use a pan. Don't you use a pan or pot at home? These light weight, portable, collapsible stoves are a compromise, just as everything you use and take with you on a hike or camping trip is. Drag your oven into the forest if that's what you need to prepare a meal.
Not sure which company you are referring to when you say they are putting out untested stoves but.......it can't be Firebox. Have you seen the amount of content Steve (the owner of Firebox) puts out? He's out in the backcountry "testing" his stoves in real world conditions and demonstrating their utility so often it makes me wonder whether he's ever "in" the office!! Meanwhile I'll try to answer your questions in the order they appear.
Stable ground in extreme weather? The ground is the ground regardless of the weather, though the weather can affect my patience levels for finding "the perfect" spot regardless of the stove I'm carrying. Meanwhile I find my Firebox to be no more challenging to place perfectly than my cannister stoves which have a smaller footprint and much higher center of gravity once the pot is in place. (I do like my MSR Whisper Lite for this reason as it has a very low center of gravity and tripod legs but it runs really hot and is not always great to cook/simmer on without scorching.)
Rolling hot dogs? One of the cool things about the FBox stove is its configuration versatility. There are multiple ways to configure the stove using the firesticks and or placement of grill plates such that you can "wall in" roll-prone foods like sausages or corn on the cobb to keep them from rolling off the stove and down the steep hills you seem to camp on. :-) OR...you can simply put a pan on top and cook in the pan as you would otherwise have to do on any other cannister / liquid fuel stove system....as nobody enjoys the taste of a sausage cooked over propane or white gas.
Running out of alcohol fuel when using the Trangia and how many cannisters do you need to carry? (Note: Trangia stoves don't use cannisters...they run on liquid alcohol which can be carried in a bottle and the stove can be re-fueled with a simple re-pour of fuel) So, you'd do what you'd have to do any other time you are camping/cooking with an alcohol burner stove system. You'd add more fuel then re-light. Easy peasy. Most people who use Trangia style stoves are familiar with carrying the amount of fuel they estimate they'll need according to the duration of their trip. Most of us use a simple Vargo squeeze bottle, or one of the Trangia fuel bottles with their trick little no-spill pouring spout. They are super convenient and make re-filling the stove hassle free.
Survival for a family of 4? This felt like an odd question. Feeding a family of 4 in the woods, whether recreationally or in a survival situation, is going to take what it takes regardless of the stove system and thus the expectations of sitting down together as though you were at home will need to be adjusted. These debris stoves are no more (or less) capable of cranking out food for a large group than cannister stoves or any other single burner/heat source systems which only hold one pan/pot at a time. It doesn't matter much what stove system(s) you use in a group setting...the problem remains the same. If you want to crank out food for everyone simultaneously so everyone sits down to a hot meal at the exact same time, you'll need as many heat sources for as many pots/pans as you need to run simultaneously. Solutions for this problem include building a larger fire and cooking in/over it directly with multiple or larger pots pans......carrying additional heat sources and/or running something like the Jetboil Base Camp two burner system with an extra Luna burner on the side which will get you to 3 gas burners, run you about $350USD and be WAAAAAYYY heavier and bulkier and requires you carry fuel cannisters....or staying home and cooking in your kitchen. As a rule I generally figure on the need for at least one heat source for every 2 people on the trip with a pot large enough to boil water for 2 (as most dehydrated meal bags can be found in "serves 2" size) and/or a pan are large enough to support cooking for two. So 4 people = 2 stoves with pots or pans of suitable volume and some adjusted expectations on complexity of the meal unless you are Steve from FB who seems to be able to crank out gourmet dinners on his stoves!!
Field testing and lego sets? Again....the FB stove may be one of the most extensively "field tested by owner" stoves out there so we can set that critique aside. As for being a lego set, one of the main advantages to both the stoves (as noted in the video) is that there's virtually no assembly required. They simply collapse flat and expand back on hinges with no complicated puzzle piece assembly required. If you can flatten a cake box and open it up again, you can assemble both of these stoves. So the lego critique, along with most of the others, feels more like carping for carping's sake rather than any valid criticisms.
The "perfect" stove is not here because there's no such thing. Perfect in what sense? Perfect for cranking out a catered meal for 15 guests? Perfect for melting snow at 14,000 feet? Perfect for fast boiling water to re=hydrate foods? Perfect for slow simmering without scorching? Perfect for using commercial fuels that are locally available? Perfect for foregoing commercial fuel altogether and using found debris?
Every one of those (and more) necessitates radically different stoves IMO.
Yay
Post more camping video. I have nothing to do :)