I recollect the day that troops first deployed in Derry City, August 14th, 1969. I was 11 years old at the time and I was agog with excitement seeing these guys with their rifles walk down William Street because, as they arrived, the old RUC were retreating back to barracks, beaten and demoralized. As I walked towards home that day along the Foyle Road a canvas topped troop lorry went past me and I gave them a shy 11 year old's thumbs up sign. One of the soldiers sitting on the back of the lorry gave me a huge thumbs up in return. Of course, we had no idea of what was in front of us and within two or three years the North of Ireland erupted .
Thats bollocks saying the British army didnt do anything different and treated both sides equally. Internment, putting curfews and mass searches in Catholic areas, also colluding with the Loyalists (just like the RUC did). Their job was to be a neutral force, but a lot of them clearly sided and helped the loyalists. If the government had of just given Irish Catholics equal rights in the first place the IRA wouldn't have gained as much support. It was Bible bashing Loyalists who brought religion into it.
Private Patrick Kelly, Irish Army. Murdered by the IRA, a mafia of bullies, psychopaths and cunts. The Catholic church gave its blessing for Ireland to be colonised.
How can you call the british? Did they plant bombs in pubs and restaurants? even pillar boxes!!! car bombs etc the lot and kill and maim innocent people. The irish brought the war to the mainland.
OceanBlue u haven't done your homework.....was ireland always occupied by an imperial foreign force??...an if u don't know..hats a question...take your time..Do your research and get back to me!!!!
Nowt to do with the English (i.e the Anglo-Saxon English folk and the original British folk). The Normans were the first to have a go at Ireland, after being asked by Irish warlords, might I add. The English never had an issue with Ireland until the Norman-French invaded England and then they invaded all the neighbouring lands around. By the way, nothing worse than the Irish pirates did before that: attacking Britannia without hesitation. Reap what you sow.
No, I think the soldier was just a bit thick and got his words confused. Anyone who gets involved in violent acts is a bit thick and wrong in the head, whoever they are.
So what does that say about The IRA? They used to plant bombs in army married quarters and on buses occupied by army families. All completely deliberate and the intention was to kill and main.
Gareth Oneill And the UVF did nothing wrong either neither did the Tans or the Brits over 800 years ago, you gotta understand the IRA are trying to fight for reunification of Ireland and not just for the sake of fighting. While I would enjoy a free Irish isle the way it should be its unlikely therefore I don't necessarily support the IRA but I understand them.
Darjack regardless of what the IRA were fighting for, you don't do this by bombing and deliberately killing innocent people and children in pubs or on buses, thats called murder and terrorism, so stop making excuses for them 😒
I met some British soldiers in a pub once. They had fought in the Falklands war. They told me they had previously been in Northern Ireland. I asked them which was worse, and they said "Northern Ireland, mate".
I remember how much fear the soldiers showed, looking back they were kids they weren’t prepared for the Irish way of war. The Irish keep coming Bloody Sunday drew a line in the sand. Once a soldier grabbed me and used me as a bit of meat to hide behind when he was clear he kicked me in the arse When I looked he was crying I never understood why until manhood when I knew his fear and then relief. We where all kids in different uniforms.
I just can not imagine.What a time while the rest of us where living the wild 60s and 70s so many where living this struggle.This is really an inside look at what the soilders walked into and how things chanced and all that footage is amazing.
The soldiers were often sent in not to attack, more to just keep situations under control. It was the IRA that often started the attacks and causing all the trouble. Comparing this to pointless wars of today in the Middle East is not really the best of comparisons. Just saying...
The Middle East method works better. Pick a side then let the locals kill each other as they so love to do. That's how Putin won in Syria on the cheap.
@@nunyvanstta135 lol that's what happens when you send an army in to a country that isn't theres, and IRA is doing what it has to to get there country back from the English
This is a completely distorted documentary. No attempt is made to understand or highlight the grievances of the Nationalist community, which only turned on the British army when it became clear that it was merely an extension of the repressive Stromont security apparatus.
Also, the British army were in no way an impartial force. Their heavy handed actions against the nationalist community was a contributing factor in radicalizing many people and consequently swelling the ranks of the IRA e.g. the shooting dead of so many civilians on a peace march during what later became known as Bloody Sunday. Moreover, British military intelligence used Loyalist gunmen to fight a proxy war against Republicans. Such murderous collusion has recently been verified in the media, merely confirming what everybody knew to be true for so long. This documentary is therefore an exercise in propaganda; a skewered and partisan retelling of events.
I see it as just these soldiers talking about what it was like I am totally understanding of the Irish Catholic they had to do something to end their mistreatment It so sad that so many had to die to get it.I feel Britian should give Ireland back to the Irish ....
OceanBlue Why should Irish people in their own country have to move to another part of their country because of the opinion of an invasive orange foreigner? YOU should be the one moving out our country to where you pledge your allegiance to. “Build a wall” so a minority can live in seclusion in my country. The Irish language and Irish cult was here long before the orange traditions and will be here long after it.
to be honest its called `Soldiers Stories` so why would it include what you mentioned. Its about the soldiers pov. If a program was done about a policeman pov during the riots in 2011 there wouldn't be a need to put the rioters pov. If it was about WW2 RAF bomber crew experience would you need to cover the comments of German civilians at Dresden.There are plenty of programs that put the Nationalist pov as well. It does what it says on the tin
@Straight White British Protestant Invasive forces warrant killing. Its hilarious your little English Nationalist project is going to end up handing it back to us. Have a happy BREXIT.
As a Welsh man with a Irish great grand father .from west cork the welsh men in the army in Ireland they should be ashamed of their selves you don't side against our Celtic brothers.
First time in Ireland (whichever sector you wish to call it) for young, let's say ignorant soldier lads, before any internet history course. Of course they were surprised by the hatred.
Like ignorantly joining the IRA? or the Irish army? or any army in the world. Do you really think they think of their ugly/bad side of their country's history while joining an army? Probably not.
grytlappar well said, maybe the army should have issued them with a history book before they sent them into the mess their successive government created.
Three-year-old Johnathan Ball died at the scene. He had been in town with his babysitter, shopping for a Mother's Day card. The second victim, 12-year-old Tim Parry, was gravely wounded. He died on 25 March 1993 when his life support machine was switched off, after tests had found only minimal brain activity. 54 other people were injured, four of them seriously.
Love the narration, those houses burning on the lower Falls Road were all Catholic houses around Bombay Street and who was helping and protecting the Loyalists burning those houses but the RUC and especially the 'B' Specials a 100% Loyalist Paramilitary Auxillary Policemen with a long history of sectarian attacks and murders dating back many years. Also love the line that Loyalist Paramilitaries were "also prepared to take up arms". So the Loyalist UVF led by Gusty Spence killing people in 1966 and with Paisley's financial help blowing up power plants and water aqueducts with the aim of it being blamed on the IRA (which it was) until a Paisleyite Thomas McDowell died planting a bomb. The irony is the IRA were pretty much defunct and the army wasn;t sent in to just separate both peoples they were mainly sent in to protect Catholics from the orange state who was killing them and leading pogroms on Catholic areas. Lastly the shock that the Catholic population turned against them and how could anyone see them as being not impartial, maybe it was something to do with the fact that only Catholic homes were being searched, only Catholics were being killed by the military many of them civilians and during things like internment those arrested were all Catholic, not one Loyalist was arrested. Finally the gun search on the lower Falls Rd was a 3 day curfew on the whole area and the weaponry that was found belonged mostly to the Official IRA not the Provisional IRA and missed out here is that 4 civilians were shot dead with 60 civilians injured and of the 4 killed it was more like straight out murder.
You do know that loyalist got given 20 and 25 stretches aswell in long kesh and the maze, and many was hung before abolishment, always one sided with catholics...and i bet you dont even live in ireland, or ever have done..
Why do they keep referring to "British streets" and the like and then say they were "over in Ireland"? Britain is an island containing 3 countiies: Scotland, Wales and England. No street anywhere in Ireland is a British street. A UK street maybe as the UK means "union of Britain and Nothern Ireland" even if that union is heavily disputed. But not a British street, even the Brits themselves don't seem to know what "British" means.
"If you stopped, stand next to kids.... and that sounds calous and cruel but THEY were cowards and they wouldn't shoot at you because they didn't want to risk shooting any children" - Craig Lailer (Queen's Own Highlanders) (14:15)
The fires that are mentioned when the soldiers arrived were catholic houses that were being burnt by loyalist mobs supposed by the Northern Irish government's military force the B-Specials. The shots that they heard were ex British soldiers who were catholics from the Falls Road fighting back against the B -Specials with the few guns that could be found. These were supposed by young men and boys firing stones and bottles. These were thrown from any high building they could find and because of the height that they were thrown from they rained down with ferocity on the attackers and eventually halted them. The B-Specials and loyalist mobs were sent in to the catholic areas to teach them a lesson and to stop them demonstrating for their civil rights, because the worlds media had started to take notice of how catholics were being treated in Northern Ireland. e.g. A Prime Minister of Northern Ireland named Basil Brooke made a speech in which he told protestants in Northern Ireland "I have never employed a catholic, I will never employ a catholic and I urge you to do likewise". The soldier was right when he said that both sides believed that they had come to support them. But who do you think they did support? Was it the people who were being attacked and burnt out of their houses or the people who were doing it? Well, early one morning not long after they arrived they attacked the catholic areas wrecking their houses looking for arms. In lots of the houses they wrecked one of them would crap in one of the bedrooms just to show the occupants what they thought of them. They didn't find any arms dumps because there were none except the few the ex British soldiers had been using. You will notice that in the film the soldier says we went in looking for the IRA's arms dump. What you will not notice is, that he doesn't say that they found them. Because they didn't. Because they didn't exist But they soon would. During the attacks on their areas the people had written on the street walls "I R an A way" because the IRA refused to help them to fight back against the attacks. After the attack by the army the guns and explosives soon arrived and the IRA campaign begun..
For all the Irish arguing that this is a one sided doc. You may be right. But it’s refreshing to hear a British soldiers side. I’ve heard the Irish side a million times. It gives you a better deeper understanding of the way things truly are if you can open your mind up to different viewpoints and set your own biases aside for a moment at least.
I have a English Exam here in Norway and I choose to talk about The Northern Ireland Story of the War, this video helps me a lot. So thank you for uploading this video! :D :)
@@markharrison2544 The once oppressed Irish people of the land that is rightfully ours. It's common for a culture to give an unofficial name to cities they feel the control. Derry is one of them. Churchill offered Northern Ireland to De Valera in exchange for joining WW2 on the side of the Allies in June of 1940. The man who plotted to kill Michael Collins never responded. Northern Ireland could still be given to the Republic of Ireland under the Good Friday agreement, so it's perfectly reasonable to take the "London" out of "Londonderry". Depending on which side of the spectrum you're on.
14:15 - "If you stood near kids, I know that sounds callous and cruel, but they were cowards and they wouldn't shoot at you" - They're cowards for not shooting at kids? Figures a Brit would say that.
@@petermorris3665 First of all, those people left in response to the English occupation of Ireland. Second of all, that wasn't an invasion because the Irish government didn't send them to England in order to gain a political advantage. If your forefathers would have landed in England, pushed the natives out through force, and staged a vote to make it part of Ireland, then yes I would consider that an invasion.
We were shocked several hundred times as we built the empire.....complete surprise every time. Fortunately by chance we had the Army to hand every time. What are the chances eh?
My heart weeps for Northern Ireland. In spite of the efforts for peace, there are dissidents on both sides who will not rest until they have decimated the other side. They don't really want peace. If Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness can espouse peace and non-violence, then all things are possible if people are willing to move forward. "Siochain' ".
The British army was not 'stuck in the middle' here. The British army was never neutral when one of its colonies rose up against the Crown and demanded independence. Ireland was no different.
they were sent there to quell violence between elements of the protestant community(uvf) and nationalist community(ira).I accept that uvf members joined uk army to commit atrocities.
hoopenhanger the majority of Ulster thought this did it? bollocks the majority of Ulster want to be part of the UK , it was a section the Catholic minority wanted it, I do have some time for the fact that the Catholic's were a second class citizen in their own country , that was wrong . but the majority want to be part of the UK and still do...
"They were cowards and they wouldn't shoot at you. They didn't want to risk shooting any children because that wouldn't look good." Or because their target was an oppressive British government and not innocent children? Ffs, I was pretty much with you until that.
I know my family history thanks - I suspect somewhat better than you do. By the way, more people died in Ireland at that time from disease than died from starvation. @@anthonyseymour1403
@Jones Jones Why thank you. It was us "weak c.....(a shameful word) that nancied all over the world building the World's largest and most influential Empire. After building the Empire we had a cup of tea.
'Countries' are made-up. Any country by the name of Ireland/Republic of Ireland/Éire/Irish Free State/England/United States of America/Germany/China/Russia/Brazil/Canada/South Africa/Australia were-all created by the same group. And, they have everyone fighting, over made-up countries, for centuries 😳.
“These lads had spent the last few years fighting in far flung places around the globe” not surprising as the Brits tried to colonize most of the globe..
alot of people died, whether it was British soldiers, IRA(respectively), and civilians.....this video isnt propoganda its just a reflection from the British soldier side, abit of respect should be shown, why watch it when its going to annoy you, its people like some on here that make immature comments about something they know fuck all about apart from reading on it and stories from others which were obviously bullshit....R.I.P to all those caught up in the terrible ordeal.
This documentary literally does not mention why the nationalist community turned on the British soldiers after initially welcoming them. it includes at multiple uses of the term "Southern Ireland" which any Irish person would find offensive. The documentary massively downplays the collusion between the Loyalist paramilitaries and the British security forces. It constantly plays up the role of the British Army as being "peacekeeping," when in reality they were an active player in the conflict, not a referee. It just completely glosses over why the IRA appeared, and minimises the role the Unionist government played in starting the entire conflict. If there wasn't organised anti-Irish oppression by the NI government, there wouldn't be organised anti-British resistance, and the IRA would've never appeared. The pretext for this documentary is essentially, "one day, for no reason at all, those bastard Irish started shooting at the British, and we had to step in and stop it."
@@ionocinneide617 That's your opinion, which doesn't make it correct. There was collusion on both sides of the border (IRA/Irish Army/Gardia colluded). The original intention of sending in the British Army was to keep the peace, this changed because of numerous and various events that the republicans are partly responsible for. Neither side can claim to be whiter than white or without fault. You seem to be suggesting that the IRA appeared because the British army were deployed which again is incorrect. I very much doubt the term "Southern Irish" is meant as an intended insult and knowing numerous people from ROI or "Southern Ireland" and having been to the island of Ireland several times you are the first I've heard to say its a term of insult.
K P 1. There is no evidence of collusion between the IRA, Irish Army or the Gardai. 2. I’m well aware of the original intent of the British Army’s deployment, what I’m saying is that it didn’t remain that way 3. I never suggested that. The IRA appeared because of Unionist oppression from Stormont, not because of the British Army 4. Southern Ireland or Southern Irish are both insulting terms because they imply that the ROI is still part of the United Kingdom, which it isn’t.
@@ionocinneide617 Not sure how referring to the ROI as Southern Ireland indicates or suggests it being part of the UK and as Ive said, I have known plenty of people from the ROI/Southern Ireland and none of them have ever taken offence so perhaps its just you wanting to take offence and have a pop over anything. There was plenty of evidence of collusion between the Irish Army/IRA/Gardai, it was simply ignored as to not inflame the situation. And trust me, I witnessed the collusion so you can reply all you like about there being none but that will prove nothing other than you denying the facts and have taken a one sided view which then makes your points tainted and irrelevant.
As a NATO Observer from the US Navy I watched as the Military actively supported and took part in Protestant Paramilitary Operations. It was disgusting. Although I am s supporter of the IRA and Sinn Fein, I did not support the bombing of civilian targets. But once the military took sides, it became a legitimate target for targeted attacks.
@@dirkbogarde44 As do I. This is probably a case of an American with little to no Irish heritage screaming "UP THE RA" on St. Patrick's Day while chugging a green beer. Mr. US Navy Observer is 100% total shite.
Littlemac I am Australian we got station on the wall in Ireland via SAS from western Australia nobody wanted to be on the wall. But the British Empire uses slaves from Australia to serve the wall.
Would you like a list of IRA mass killings perhaps? Massacres planned and deliberately carried out as a policy, not the ill-disciplined actions of a tiny number of individuals acting on their own.
@@jimjohns9051 You ignore my point, the IRA deliberately and as a matter of strategy, tactics and policy, committed numerous acts of mass murder, not to mention committing literally hundreds of individual murders, maimings and instances of appalling torture.This has to be set against a very few instances of individual, spontaneous and unsanctioned ill-discipline by individual soldiers acting in direct contravention of their orders and, it must be said, usually in circumstances of extreme stress. Over 300,000 British soldiers served in NI in the course of the 35 years of the Troubles, the overwhelming majority of them never fired a shot in anger, or in fact even heard one. There are a small number of ex-soldiers who have cases to answer for their involvement in clearly unlawful killings, but it is a mere fraction of a percentage of the number who served. A less professional or well-disciplined army would have had thousands.
Read a little more: the Armitsar Massacre, India (1919) . Thje 'Peterloo' massacre, Manchester, 1819. And the 1918 allIreland vote effectively gave legitimacy to the Dail and its de facto army . And what do you say to recently declassified/Top Secret admission by the British Armed Forces that they took part in biochemical weapons tests upon the British populace at large, decades ago?
@@dhss333 What does the Amritsar Massacre (carried out by Indian troops incidentally) have to do with NI? Likewise the Peterloo massacre, you really are scraping the barrel there aren't you? An over-reaction by semi-trained Yeomanry at at time when England didn't even have a Police force?
@Straight White British Protestant as opposed to the constant murder before and after 22 by the crown forces of Catholics !!! IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY , 1969 the 1st child , serving soldier and policeman where all killed by either state led forces or loyalist gunmen !!!! , or do you want to discuss how loyalist crowds burned and terrorised Catholics from their homes !!!!! , the history of this failed statlet was built on violence !!! When did you's ever think " this dog is gonna bite back " ffs.
Should have de escalated troop deployment in 1972, the British govt needed to be more aware of what was happening to the troops and the emerging problems with the Irish people. The Politicians needed to do better.
No surprise coming from the mouths of British soldiers but rarely have I heard so many clichés, myths, delusion and self justification spoken about the war in the 6 counties as this
The biggest ever IRA recruitment drives were inspired by British atrocities, 1916 Kilmainam Jail executions, Croke Park massacre in 1920, sending in the army to Northern Ireland in 1969, Bloody Sunday massacre in Derry 1972, and refusal to listen to the requests of the hunger stike in 1981. A british soldier in Northern Ireland didn't go there to keep the peace they went for the free for all no questions asked shoot to kill policy handed down from the British govt. The imperial superiority complex of the lost empire is what made a bad sutuation catastrophic. The British govt tried every dirty trick campaign from gerrymandering to colluding with loyalist paramilitaries and none of it in the name of peace.
There was no "state supported violence" in NI. You're swallowing republican propaganda from the people incidentally, who inflicted mass murder and unending violence against the people of NI for 35 years, and what did it get them? Nothing, NI is STILL a part of the UK . A wholly futile and unnecessary campaign of murderous terrorism which widened the gap between catholic and protestant, nationalist and unionist and entrenched bitterness for generations more to come
paddy864 my granny was at bloody sunday(peaceful protest) and whitnessed her friend who was unarmed get shot dead by the british soldiers which was covered up after. That is the definition of state supported violence. To say they didn’t achieve anything is wrong, they didnt achieve thir main goal but they were the reason that the good friday agreement came about which made a more fair country and stopped the misrepresentative government who were discriminating against catholics
@@user-jo8vl5dh2v Bloody Sunday wasn't "covered up", how on earth could it have been, it was on television all over the world for a start and even the Widgery Tribunal found that the soldiers concerned had "fired recklessly". I have never doubted that, in fact I have always believed that not only did they do so , but some of them committed murder that day. The Widgery Tribunal probably did as much as it could in the time allotted to it, but Saville is the last word on the subject I'm sure, and it's conclsions were pretty much the same as Widgery but did make the point that those killed were all in fact entirely innocent. As for your point about the IRA's campaign of murder and atrocity bringing about the Good Friday Agreement, I'm afraid you're ignoring the fact that they spent 35 years slaughtering people not for what the GFA achieved, but for something else entirely. The GFA was a defeat for armed republicanism, and what was gained in it was essentially on offer once the killing and bombing was ended. They could have done that at any point in 35 years of the troubles but they didn't, because what they wanted was a united Ireland achieved purely by violence, in which they failed.
Goes both ways dear. Not everyone in the republic was squeaky clean either. Don't pick and choose populist points of view. War always was, is and always will be a very dirty business with all parties involved not being any better than the other(s).
Suppose the IRA were freedom fighters when they murdered a lot of civvies then. And Bloody Sunday was caused by the IRA using peaceful protesters as meat shields.
Those of you blaming the British for all the problems, should really pick up a history book detailing irish history and actually read it. Also listen to what is said in this programme at 1:20 - 2:12 and you'll actually see that N.I asked for help.
Yes, Edward Carson and his merry men, Ian Paisley and his not so merry band, really wanted to be a part of the united Ireland, didn't they? I've re-read my post and I don't detect any spelling errors or sentences that abuse grammar. So it's not incoherent or babble, it's pretty well known historical facts. You on the other hand.......
@@chrisscott8368 You seem to think that "26+6" is some sort of devastating and unanswerable riposte which sweeps away any an all arguments, well it isn't. It just makes you look thick.
paddy864 When I typed it last night I accidentally sent it before I could finish it. Point I was tryin to make Paddy is "26+6=1"... Point bein it's Éire an not 1 fuckin bit of her is English no matter what some paperwork says.
To all who served in operation banner thank you for your service and sacrifice. as a son of a ex ruc officer I know the stress and anxiety both those on duty to the families went through 24/7. God bless you.
The civil rights marchers had nothing to do with Sinn Fein. These were people demonstrating at the way they were being treated ie as second class citizens. Pele of the falls hated the Brits because they saw them murdering innocent people on their own streets.
And the IRA marshalled the march hoping for a big propaganda coup, which they got...not expecting the paras to react so fiercely. I have heard most other units in the British Army really disliked the Paras, especially after bloody sunday. A complete lack of professionalism that destroy countless lives that day and for years to come, bringing a backlash onto everyone.
Typical British documentary biased towards the army. Comments like "we were like meet in the middle of a sandwich" or "just trying to keep the peace by stopping Paramilitaries killing each other". Pure shit, hardly any mention of the collusion with the Loyalist terror groups the army engaged in or the disproportionate internment of the Irish. Bloody Sunday glossed over, among plenty of other stuff. If the army had of went in and treated everybody equally, including terror groups from both sides, then the IRA wouldn't of been able to get the support it did.
A pretty stupid and woefully biased opinion, you obviously haven't given this the slightest serious thought at all, have you? For a start, if there actually was any organised systematic "collusion" (which I very much doubt) then none of these guys would have known about it or been party to it? Secondly, the Army didn't want Internment, it was forced through by the Stormont government in one of it's last significant acts before direct Rule was introduced. Bloody Sunday, as the Saville Report has emphatically proven, was carried out by a relatively small number of soldiers acting in direct contradiction of their orders, and not something planned by anybody. As for treating everybody the same, in general it tried to do that, but only one side were murdering soldiers and policemen, the same side that carried out most of the terrorist atrocities in the course of the troubles in fact, republicans and their supporters. And you know very well that literally thousands of Loyalists were arrested and imprisoned for all sorts of terrorist offences.
When I was a young boy growing up in Belfast in the 1950s - my Grandfather told me that when he was a boy in the 1900 -1910 period - ' the Sun never set on the British Empire ' He also told me that the 26 County Irish Republic was the first and most important struggle that had started the collapse of that vicious British Empire - which was maintained by coercion and the force of arms. As an old man now myself , I witnessed at first hand a vicious and relentless 30 year struggle which achieved really very little . As a left wing Republican , I was one of the fortunate ones , many of my best friends are all dead -- AND FOR WHAT ? I do hope that we never go back to those DARK DAYS when life was so cheap . Out of a small population of less than three quarters of a million Catholics in the North , almost 2,000 were murdered . The vast majority of these were totally innocent civilians . It is estimated that another 50,000 others were either directly or indirectly injured during those 30 years. Just think about that - These are appalling figures . The only way forward if we are to prevent a sectarian bloodbath , is POLITICS. It may be much less romantic and less appealing than physical violence but in the long run - IT WILL ACHIEVE THE SAME PURPOSE - without a total CIVIL WAR .
Did all these horrible things happen to you in your own house? Town? City? Country? Oh, you mean you were in someone else's country? That explains it then, wouldn't you say?
Seen Ambrose in a few documentaries. He’s always lookin’ for aggro. Seen him gettin’ pissed in another programme co’s he was expecting some resistance and he was very upset it didn’t happen. What an attitude. Surely peace is what everybody wants?
petiauk7 and the IRA did it for free did they?.. at least the BA paid their taxes.. Republican money from extortion drugs black market prostitution etc etc. So don’t give me that old line....
@@jamesfranklin3328 Paid their taxes?? 😂🤣😂 Oh very good. Complicit in killing civilians and colluding with loyalist paramilitaries. I'm however glad they paid their taxes. I'll sleep better. Murdering bastards.
I was in 210 Signal Squadron which had/has the red hand of Ulster painted on the doors of its land rovers as a symbol of that ASSU (Air Support Signals Unit). I fought the 'war' against freedom fighters in Yemen (Aden) in the 60's and I had no idea what that red hand meant! It's logical that this indicated that soldiers were not neutral in a so-called peace-keeping mission in Northern Ireland, which should become an independent nation called Ulster and no longer paying homage to the parasitical Queen who underpaid me with her shilling, for my pain & suffering there.
It is called ulster you complete dougnut, you concentrate on the workings of yemen and not the technical complicated stuff, theres a good lad...and you call yourself ex services, how ever did you have the brain power or the mental fortitude to pass the basics...as you're clearly NUTZ..🤪..
@@wor53lg50 You are clearly just an ignorant TROLL. I did use the word ULSTER which will no doubt become an independent country and part of Ireland rather than the federal country of England, Scotland and Wales. it seems you are unable to grasp the common sense involved when the federal nation state known as Great Britain also breaks its feudal relationship to the parasitical family dynasty, since King Charles and the married woman who shagged him and got pregnant at the age of 18 whose son is now living in Queensland Australia since the Queen gave him away to one of her servant gardeners and arranged for them to emigrate with a false birth certificate. By the way, it was 245 Signal Squadron in Yemen with the Red Hand of Ulster painted on its landrovers. Only brain-dead squaddies and thugs (like you?) have called those brave souls fighting the British Army for independence in Tanganika, Kenya, Yemen and Ulster were the enemy of anyone, other than the parasitical so-called Royal Family from Hannover, called Saxe-Coberg von Gotha, until one of its bitches changed her name to Windsor. I suppose this is too complicated for anyone except a murrey and morse code operator who was attached to the Kings African Rifles with an member of the Intelligence Corps to encode and decode messages from the Ark Royal and a group of SAS psychopathic assassins (Like you?) who tried to assassinate Julius Neyerere, the new President of Tanzania, on my watch during the New Moon of February 1963. Time for you to begin to understand that you have wasted your life defending the financial interests of a fascist family from Hannover, who is worshipped by doughnuts like you (who cannot even spell doughnut)! Trained thugs like you used to try to intimidate me in the NAAFI only to find out that they paid a price which they had hardly the wits to calculate at the time, until after they regained consciousness which they lost when they least expected someone who could read psychology and spell psychopath to knock some sense into their thick skulls. Amen!
@@kalkiavatar100 pardon i didnt quite get that can you repeat it pls......... Only when truth hurts idiots rant so long with sperious claims and fictional deluded statements, have a good night... And remember big brother reads everything when certain names and certain establishments get mentioned, it could lead to a sticky deformation claim, as that is some far out statement to make?, if your a pennyless leach on society, id be carefull might get expensive, also damaging for bilateral relations australia still is commonwealth after all....
there isn't somebody in the history of England they didn't oppress! America was the most successful of showing England that British rule is no better than that of Rome and any other tyrants in history,, Ireland is the latest victims of a long line of British rule but the people of Ireland don't give up your heritage for a boot on your neck
British army used tanks rubber bullets water canons stop and search house searches on civilians in a conflict the British created!! Northern Ireland is an undemocratically created part of Britain and to this day the ignorance of this conflict is startling. The atmosphere was created by British and establishment. Imagine if it was reversed.
Ireland and Northern Ireland even have armoured vehicles for policing even now, 40 years on from the worst fighting. Rubber bullets and water cannon are used universally by riot police. If you watch the videos of Irish mobs, then maybe you'll understand. I particularly remember where a mob drag two suspected British SAS out of a car, savagely beat them and thrown in a van where they were tortured and never seen alive again.
Callam your comment tells me you have no knowledge of this matter and I respectfully ask that you gain some knowledge! I cringed when I read your post.
I’m not English and I served in the Gordon Highlanders and was in West Belfast in 1990 it wasn’t great,but I don’t hate anyone,but I learned these drug dealers,fucking football hooligans they ain’t nothing I learned people with a cause they genuinely believe in they need respect for that fact,it shaped my life no argument
Not racism, but a lot of Irish men that I have met have been the stereo type ie they were "always" write and would never admit when they had made a mistake! A very stubborn and dangerous race 1 second ago
As for saying they had one hand tied behind they're back thats rubbish. What they meant by that was they thought they should have been allowed do what they wanted, just like bloody Sunday. One of the biggest armies in the world who had helicopters, tanks and armored vehicles against a few guerrilla fighters and they complain on being at a disadvantage.
Fuck your yellow card, what I say stands. If they had of went after Loyalist paramilitaries as much as Republicans the IRA wouldn't of had the same support. But they didn't they colluded with them, and that's on record.
Love that story with the bugler," pack that bloody noise in its to flaming early, anyway what is it?, ive never head it before", proud bugler having a hissy fit melt down, "for god sake you guy's dont ya know, its the call for action".. 😲 True british wit...
Of course kids were used as human shields but by both sides IRA & UVF that still doesn't give the English the right 4 a shoot 2 kill policy cheers Maggie
If there was such a thing as a "Shoot to Kill" policy in operation within the Security Forces (and I can tell you now for a fact that there wasn't), can you please explain to me how it is that those same security forces actually shot and killed so few people in the course of 35 or more years? How is it that the 300,000 or so soldiers who served in NI during the course of the troubles only managed to kill around 370 people in total? I mean, do the sums on that and tell me what percentage of soldiers actually shot someone over there and when you've done that you can explain this "Shoot to Kill policy" to me.
It's not supposed to be a "depiction of the conflict and its origins", you clown. It's former British soldiers talking about their experiences in NI and their perspective on the troubles, which is something you have never considered for a moment I'm sure.
after the zillionth 4 hour shift my bootneck mate Yorky with 42 cdo got bored shitless in the sanger on the corner of Unity flats & Peters hill and loosed 10 rounds off in the middle of the night at a large colgate toothpaste billboard ad.. every tooth had a direct hit !!!
Wether it’s the British in Ireland, or the US in Iraq, they don’t want us there and it only makes things worse and heightens hostilities. Those places will tear themselves apart but intervention in foreign affairs we don’t understand only increases the problems and violence.
There was no point in oppressing and fighting the Irish people whichever side you were on. The fact is we have now been taken over by the EU and mass immigration, we have all lost out. The Muslims now call the tune in both the UK and the Republic.
@@tigereye1208 thats a bit harsh the persons comment is only highlighting the fact that by 2028 under eu migration figures irish catholics will not be the majority in ireland your too busy hatin an old enemy to see a greater threat on your doorstep
The issue of Northern Ireland and the "Troubles" isn't about religion it's about culture. To ascribe "religion" as the divider is easy, but not entirely correct. All through Ireland's history, the issue has always stemmed from the NI identifying themselves as "British" (when they are in fact born in Ireland) and the rest of the country which identifies itself as Irish. Religion has nothing to do with this. But in reality everything in this issue - throughout history - hinges on the festering intolerances bred by the fundamental differences of cultural identity. QED.
I recollect the day that troops first deployed in Derry City, August 14th, 1969. I was 11 years old at the time and I was agog with excitement seeing these guys with their rifles walk down William Street because, as they arrived, the old RUC were retreating back to barracks, beaten and demoralized. As I walked towards home that day along the Foyle Road a canvas topped troop lorry went past me and I gave them a shy 11 year old's thumbs up sign. One of the soldiers sitting on the back of the lorry gave me a huge thumbs up in return. Of course, we had no idea of what was in front of us and within two or three years the North of Ireland erupted .
Ye mean Northern Ireland
@@glenn9683Where’s that? In Ireland?
Thats bollocks saying the British army didnt do anything different and treated both sides equally. Internment, putting curfews and mass searches in Catholic areas, also colluding with the Loyalists (just like the RUC did). Their job was to be a neutral force, but a lot of them clearly sided and helped the loyalists. If the government had of just given Irish Catholics equal rights in the first place the IRA wouldn't have gained as much support. It was Bible bashing Loyalists who brought religion into it.
Private Patrick Kelly, Irish Army. Murdered by the IRA, a mafia of bullies, psychopaths and cunts. The Catholic church gave its blessing for Ireland to be colonised.
How can you call the british? Did they plant bombs in pubs and restaurants? even pillar boxes!!! car bombs etc the lot and kill and maim innocent people. The irish brought the war to the mainland.
OceanBlue u haven't done your homework.....was ireland always occupied by an imperial foreign force??...an if u don't know..hats a question...take your time..Do your research and get back to me!!!!
Nowt to do with the English (i.e the Anglo-Saxon English folk and the original British folk). The Normans were the first to have a go at Ireland, after being asked by Irish warlords, might I add. The English never had an issue with Ireland until the Norman-French invaded England and then they invaded all the neighbouring lands around.
By the way, nothing worse than the Irish pirates did before that: attacking Britannia without hesitation. Reap what you sow.
english RE BIGIST LIARS IN WAR ZONES PICKED ON WRONG MEN IN IRA
They were cowards because they didn't want to risk killing children?????? Are these guys sick in the head
No, I think the soldier was just a bit thick and got his words confused. Anyone who gets involved in violent acts is a bit thick and wrong in the head, whoever they are.
So what does that say about The IRA? They used to plant bombs in army married quarters and on buses occupied by army families. All completely deliberate and the intention was to kill and main.
Gareth Oneill And the UVF did nothing wrong either neither did the Tans or the Brits over 800 years ago, you gotta understand the IRA are trying to fight for reunification of Ireland and not just for the sake of fighting. While I would enjoy a free Irish isle the way it should be its unlikely therefore I don't necessarily support the IRA but I understand them.
Darjack regardless of what the IRA were fighting for, you don't do this by bombing and deliberately killing innocent people and children in pubs or on buses, thats called murder and terrorism, so stop making excuses for them 😒
@@leod-sigefast Listen again please.
I met some British soldiers in a pub once. They had fought in the Falklands war. They told me they had previously been in Northern Ireland. I asked them which was worse, and they said "Northern Ireland, mate".
Bloody hell.
I remember how much fear the soldiers showed, looking back they were kids they weren’t prepared for the Irish way of war. The Irish keep coming Bloody Sunday drew a line in the sand. Once a soldier grabbed me and used me as a bit of meat to hide behind when he was clear he kicked me in the arse
When I looked he was crying I never understood why until manhood when I knew his fear and then relief. We where all kids in different uniforms.
I just can not imagine.What a time while the rest of us where living the wild 60s and 70s so many where living this struggle.This is really an inside look at what the soilders walked into and how things chanced and all that footage is amazing.
Send in soldiers to keep the peace. Big mistake. The same mistake is being replayed again in the middle east.
The soldiers were often sent in not to attack, more to just keep situations under control. It was the IRA that often started the attacks and causing all the trouble. Comparing this to pointless wars of today in the Middle East is not really the best of comparisons. Just saying...
It's not by accident but design
The Middle East method works better. Pick a side then let the locals kill each other as they so love to do. That's how Putin won in Syria on the cheap.
It's not a mistake, it's deliberate. When Britain say's "Keeping the peace" it means something totally different.
@@nunyvanstta135 lol that's what happens when you send an army in to a country that isn't theres, and IRA is doing what it has to to get there country back from the English
I did many tours in NI, born there and served there.
Op Banner may be over, however it will never be forgotten by those who served.
Brits and pieces!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
or its victims.
"If you stood next to kids they were cowards and they wouldn't shoot you"
Wow, yeah they are the cowards
Pity the IRA killed those children in the 90s else they might be able to pretend they were morally superior.
This is a completely distorted documentary. No attempt is made to understand or highlight the grievances of the Nationalist community, which only turned on the British army when it became clear that it was merely an extension of the repressive Stromont security apparatus.
Also, the British army were in no way an impartial force. Their heavy handed actions against the nationalist community was a contributing factor in radicalizing many people and consequently swelling the ranks of the IRA e.g. the shooting dead of so many civilians on a peace march during what later became known as Bloody Sunday. Moreover, British military intelligence used Loyalist gunmen to fight a proxy war against Republicans. Such murderous collusion has recently been verified in the media, merely confirming what everybody knew to be true for so long. This documentary is therefore an exercise in propaganda; a skewered and partisan retelling of events.
I see it as just these soldiers talking about what it was like I am totally understanding of the Irish Catholic they had to do something to end their mistreatment It so sad that so many had to die to get it.I feel Britian should give Ireland back to the Irish ....
OceanBlue Why should Irish people in their own country have to move to another part of their country because of the opinion of an invasive orange foreigner? YOU should be the one moving out our country to where you pledge your allegiance to. “Build a wall” so a minority can live in seclusion in my country. The Irish language and Irish cult was here long before the orange traditions and will be here long after it.
to be honest its called `Soldiers Stories` so why would it include what you mentioned. Its about the soldiers pov. If a program was done about a policeman pov during the riots in 2011 there wouldn't be a need to put the rioters pov. If it was about WW2 RAF bomber crew experience would you need to cover the comments of German civilians at Dresden.There are plenty of programs that put the Nationalist pov as well. It does what it says on the tin
@Straight White British Protestant Invasive forces warrant killing. Its hilarious your little English Nationalist project is going to end up handing it back to us. Have a happy BREXIT.
As a Welsh man with a Irish great grand father .from west cork the welsh men in the army in Ireland they should be ashamed of their selves you don't side against our Celtic brothers.
Love the celts. Love from Kenya
"The naked hatred the people had for us was hard to understand." Really?
For a nineteen year old kid from Britain who knew next to nothing about Ireland in a time before the internet I'm guessing it would be.
First time in Ireland (whichever sector you wish to call it) for young, let's say ignorant soldier lads, before any internet history course. Of course they were surprised by the hatred.
Lazy Spark Don’t blindly join an army because of patriotism then
Like ignorantly joining the IRA? or the Irish army? or any army in the world. Do you really think they think of their ugly/bad side of their country's history while joining an army? Probably not.
grytlappar well said, maybe the army should have issued them with a history book before they sent them into the mess their successive government created.
Three-year-old Johnathan Ball died at the scene. He had been in town with his babysitter, shopping for a Mother's Day card. The second victim, 12-year-old Tim Parry, was gravely wounded. He died on 25 March 1993 when his life support machine was switched off, after tests had found only minimal brain activity. 54 other people were injured, four of them seriously.
Love the narration, those houses burning on the lower Falls Road were all Catholic houses around Bombay Street and who was helping and protecting the Loyalists burning those houses but the RUC and especially the 'B' Specials a 100% Loyalist Paramilitary Auxillary Policemen with a long history of sectarian attacks and murders dating back many years. Also love the line that Loyalist Paramilitaries were "also prepared to take up arms". So the Loyalist UVF led by Gusty Spence killing people in 1966 and with Paisley's financial help blowing up power plants and water aqueducts with the aim of it being blamed on the IRA (which it was) until a Paisleyite Thomas McDowell died planting a bomb. The irony is the IRA were pretty much defunct and the army wasn;t sent in to just separate both peoples they were mainly sent in to protect Catholics from the orange state who was killing them and leading pogroms on Catholic areas. Lastly the shock that the Catholic population turned against them and how could anyone see them as being not impartial, maybe it was something to do with the fact that only Catholic homes were being searched, only Catholics were being killed by the military many of them civilians and during things like internment those arrested were all Catholic, not one Loyalist was arrested. Finally the gun search on the lower Falls Rd was a 3 day curfew on the whole area and the weaponry that was found belonged mostly to the Official IRA not the Provisional IRA and missed out here is that 4 civilians were shot dead with 60 civilians injured and of the 4 killed it was more like straight out murder.
You do know that loyalist got given 20 and 25 stretches aswell in long kesh and the maze, and many was hung before abolishment, always one sided with catholics...and i bet you dont even live in ireland, or ever have done..
Why do they keep referring to "British streets" and the like and then say they were "over in Ireland"? Britain is an island containing 3 countiies: Scotland, Wales and England. No street anywhere in Ireland is a British street. A UK street maybe as the UK means "union of Britain and Nothern Ireland" even if that union is heavily disputed. But not a British street, even the Brits themselves don't seem to know what "British" means.
"If you stopped, stand next to kids.... and that sounds calous and cruel but THEY were cowards and they wouldn't shoot at you because they didn't want to risk shooting any children" - Craig Lailer (Queen's Own Highlanders)
(14:15)
Instrumentals4Sale that bloke is a fuckin moron, a true queens batty boy!
They were the scum of the earth!
They were cowards because they wouldn’t shoot at soldiers hiding amongst kids for risk of hitting the children??? Unbelievable
The fires that are mentioned when the soldiers arrived were catholic houses that were being burnt by loyalist mobs supposed by the Northern Irish government's military force the B-Specials. The shots that they heard were ex British soldiers who were catholics from the Falls Road fighting back against the B -Specials with the few guns that could be found. These were supposed by young men and boys firing stones and bottles. These were thrown from any high building they could find and because of the height that they were thrown from they rained down with ferocity on the attackers and eventually halted them. The B-Specials and loyalist mobs were sent in to the catholic areas to teach them a lesson and to stop them demonstrating for their civil rights, because the worlds media had started to take notice of how catholics were being treated in Northern Ireland. e.g. A Prime Minister of Northern Ireland named Basil Brooke made a speech in which he told protestants in Northern Ireland "I have never employed a catholic, I will never employ a catholic and I urge you to do likewise".
The soldier was right when he said that both sides believed that they had come to support them. But who do you think they did support? Was it the people who were being attacked and burnt out of their houses or the people who were doing it? Well, early one morning not long after they arrived they attacked the catholic areas wrecking their houses looking for arms. In lots of the houses they wrecked one of them would crap in one of the bedrooms just to show the occupants what they thought of them. They didn't find any arms dumps because there were none except the few the ex British soldiers had been using. You will notice that in the film the soldier says we went in looking for the IRA's arms dump. What you will not notice is, that he doesn't say that they found them. Because they didn't. Because they didn't exist But they soon would.
During the attacks on their areas the people had written on the street walls "I R an A way" because the IRA refused to help them to fight back against the attacks. After the attack by the army the guns and explosives soon arrived and the IRA campaign begun..
For all the Irish arguing that this is a one sided doc. You may be right. But it’s refreshing to hear a British soldiers side. I’ve heard the Irish side a million times.
It gives you a better deeper understanding of the way things truly are if you can open your mind up to different viewpoints and set your own biases aside for a moment at least.
I have a English Exam here in Norway and I choose to talk about The Northern Ireland Story of the War, this video helps me a lot. So thank you for uploading this video! :D :)
I wouldn't Base your research on this video
The IRA , UDA , UVF are all scum thugs that's all you need to know
+angie lopez. You forgot the British army murdering bastards
This is very misleading
"Londonderry" is a fictitious place. They meant to say "Free Derry"
King James I changed the name to Londonderry.
@@markharrison2544 We changed it back in the 70's.
@@theguybehindyou694 "We"?
@@markharrison2544 The once oppressed Irish people of the land that is rightfully ours. It's common for a culture to give an unofficial name to cities they feel the control. Derry is one of them. Churchill offered Northern Ireland to De Valera in exchange for joining WW2 on the side of the Allies in June of 1940. The man who plotted to kill Michael Collins never responded. Northern Ireland could still be given to the Republic of Ireland under the Good Friday agreement, so it's perfectly reasonable to take the "London" out of "Londonderry". Depending on which side of the spectrum you're on.
14:15 - "If you stood near kids, I know that sounds callous and cruel, but they were cowards and they wouldn't shoot at you" - They're cowards for not shooting at kids? Figures a Brit would say that.
Did you not see the sniper at work at 0.04?.
00:04 That was such a meoldratic fall you would think he was an Italian football player trying to get a free kick.
Imagine invading another country and then being shocked when the people fight back, what did they expect to happen?
But Northern Ireland is part of the UK so bit confused by your comment !
@@petermorris3665 It became part of the UK through invasion, just because someone draws up a border doesn't mean that the native population disappears
So when my forefathers and 1 million other people left Ireland in the mid-1850's and moved to England was that an 'invasion' too ?
@@petermorris3665 First of all, those people left in response to the English occupation of Ireland. Second of all, that wasn't an invasion because the Irish government didn't send them to England in order to gain a political advantage. If your forefathers would have landed in England, pushed the natives out through force, and staged a vote to make it part of Ireland, then yes I would consider that an invasion.
We were shocked several hundred times as we built the empire.....complete surprise every time. Fortunately by chance we had the Army to hand every time. What are the chances eh?
Remember as a British kid walking the falls road my grandparents lived in Belfast my mum would tell us don't say a word when your out in the city
Because you pronounced "H" as "aitch" rather than "haitch", you fucking British occupier!
My Mum used to tell us to shut up wherever we were.
Got. Posted. From. Germany 1978, wonderful!!!
My heart weeps for Northern Ireland. In spite of the efforts for peace, there are dissidents on both sides who will not rest until they have decimated the other side. They don't really want peace. If Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness can espouse peace and non-violence, then all things are possible if people are willing to move forward. "Siochain' ".
Both Paisley and Martin are now dead.
@@Tiger-lg5of yet the dissidents remain.
The British army was not 'stuck in the middle' here. The British army was never neutral when one of its colonies rose up against the Crown and demanded independence. Ireland was no different.
they were sent there to quell violence between elements of the protestant community(uvf) and nationalist community(ira).I accept that uvf members joined uk army to commit atrocities.
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the majority of Ulster thought this did it? bollocks the majority of Ulster want to be part of the UK , it was a section the Catholic minority wanted it, I do have some time for the fact that the Catholic's were a second class citizen in their own country , that was wrong . but the majority want to be part of the UK and still do...
"They were cowards and they wouldn't shoot at you. They didn't want to risk shooting any children because that wouldn't look good." Or because their target was an oppressive British government and not innocent children? Ffs, I was pretty much with you until that.
That Addams family shit is hilarious. So Irish 😂😂
Heads up. The term "brick" originated from the SAS. 4 man team consisting of a sniper, med, engineer and CO.
Reading the comments on here, I can see why my forefathers left Ireland in the 1850s !
If they left in the 1850's, then they left because were starving after the famine. You should read your history.
They didn't leave Pedro they had no choice
I know my family history thanks - I suspect somewhat better than you do. By the way, more people died in Ireland at that time from disease than died from starvation. @@anthonyseymour1403
Pedro You know your immune system tends to weaken when your starving.
@@hunterboyd9211 hard 2 imagine what it was like we have no concept of what it was like back then there's still human bones on some beach's in galway
3.20 mins lol dude dont relize he went from england to ireland lol fool thinks belfast is in west united kindom lol hah na thats ireland (hibernia)
Nah mate, it is in west London. Get your facts right, Irish moron!
Jungle Ninja not hibernia, Éire
@Jones Jones I agree my wife beats me, but i do love a cup of tea.
@Jones Jones Why thank you. It was us "weak c.....(a shameful word) that nancied all over the world building the World's largest and most influential Empire. After building the Empire we had a cup of tea.
'Countries' are made-up.
Any country by the name of Ireland/Republic of Ireland/Éire/Irish Free State/England/United States of America/Germany/China/Russia/Brazil/Canada/South Africa/Australia
were-all created by the same group.
And, they have everyone fighting, over made-up countries, for centuries 😳.
They were cowards because they wouldn't shoot Kids? where is the logic in that statement?
About as logical as calling people who would plant bombs in married quarters/buses full of army families 'soldiers'.
I know , what a stupid thing to say.
Gareth Oneill open your mind Gareth ya gimp
@ Yes! How dare a group of people not trained in combat use guerrilla tackets against a larger army! When has that ever happened in history?
@ The Loyalists are/were the worst scum in the UK.
Im American I didn't realize the tension between the Irish and the British still existed , I thought that was like an old world dispute .
“These lads had spent the last few years fighting in far flung places around the globe” not surprising as the Brits tried to colonize most of the globe..
Craig Laidier used kids as a human shield and then calls Irish cowards, what a true soldier of the Queen.
Kids don't provide much cover. We were mostly being cowardly behind walls. I have great remorse for behaving as I did behind those walls.
alot of people died, whether it was British soldiers, IRA(respectively), and civilians.....this video isnt propoganda its just a reflection from the British soldier side, abit of respect should be shown, why watch it when its going to annoy you, its people like some on here that make immature comments about something they know fuck all about apart from reading on it and stories from others which were obviously bullshit....R.I.P to all those caught up in the terrible ordeal.
This documentary literally does not mention why the nationalist community turned on the British soldiers after initially welcoming them. it includes at multiple uses of the term "Southern Ireland" which any Irish person would find offensive. The documentary massively downplays the collusion between the Loyalist paramilitaries and the British security forces. It constantly plays up the role of the British Army as being "peacekeeping," when in reality they were an active player in the conflict, not a referee. It just completely glosses over why the IRA appeared, and minimises the role the Unionist government played in starting the entire conflict. If there wasn't organised anti-Irish oppression by the NI government, there wouldn't be organised anti-British resistance, and the IRA would've never appeared. The pretext for this documentary is essentially, "one day, for no reason at all, those bastard Irish started shooting at the British, and we had to step in and stop it."
MARTYC LFC
Cheers ❤️
@@ionocinneide617 That's your opinion, which doesn't make it correct. There was collusion on both sides of the border (IRA/Irish Army/Gardia colluded). The original intention of sending in the British Army was to keep the peace, this changed because of numerous and various events that the republicans are partly responsible for. Neither side can claim to be whiter than white or without fault. You seem to be suggesting that the IRA appeared because the British army were deployed which again is incorrect. I very much doubt the term "Southern Irish" is meant as an intended insult and knowing numerous people from ROI or "Southern Ireland" and having been to the island of Ireland several times you are the first I've heard to say its a term of insult.
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1. There is no evidence of collusion between the IRA, Irish Army or the Gardai.
2. I’m well aware of the original intent of the British Army’s deployment, what I’m saying is that it didn’t remain that way
3. I never suggested that. The IRA appeared because of Unionist oppression from Stormont, not because of the British Army
4. Southern Ireland or Southern Irish are both insulting terms because they imply that the ROI is still part of the United Kingdom, which it isn’t.
@@ionocinneide617 Not sure how referring to the ROI as Southern Ireland indicates or suggests it being part of the UK and as Ive said, I have known plenty of people from the ROI/Southern Ireland and none of them have ever taken offence so perhaps its just you wanting to take offence and have a pop over anything.
There was plenty of evidence of collusion between the Irish Army/IRA/Gardai, it was simply ignored as to not inflame the situation. And trust me, I witnessed the collusion so you can reply all you like about there being none but that will prove nothing other than you denying the facts and have taken a one sided view which then makes your points tainted and irrelevant.
Craig Laidler: "We used children as human shields because the IRA were cowards that wouldn't shoot children."
How fucked up and twisted it that logic.
14:22 they were cowards because you were using children as cover
They arent big enough. Our patrol would look for the obese.
As a NATO Observer from the US Navy I watched as the Military actively supported and took part in Protestant Paramilitary Operations. It was disgusting. Although I am s supporter of the IRA and Sinn Fein, I did not support the bombing of civilian targets. But once the military took sides, it became a legitimate target for targeted attacks.
A Nato observer from the US Navy in Ireland, who supported the IRA? I smell bullshit.
@@dirkbogarde44 As do I. This is probably a case of an American with little to no Irish heritage screaming "UP THE RA" on St. Patrick's Day while chugging a green beer. Mr. US Navy Observer is 100% total shite.
Littlemac I am Australian we got station on the wall in Ireland via SAS from western Australia nobody wanted to be on the wall. But the British Empire uses slaves from Australia to serve the wall.
What? Heat get to you?
Honest brokers my eye!!
There is so much noise with this documentary you did not mention the fact that the British soldiers opened fire on a Catholic peaceful protest
Ballymurphy massacre - Army selfdiscipline?!
Would you like a list of IRA mass killings perhaps? Massacres planned and deliberately carried out as a policy, not the ill-disciplined actions of a tiny number of individuals acting on their own.
paddy864 “professional” armies normally don’t take part in massacres or shoot unarmed civilians. The IRA wasn’t sanctioned by a government.
@@jimjohns9051 You ignore my point, the IRA deliberately and as a matter of strategy, tactics and policy, committed numerous acts of mass murder, not to mention committing literally hundreds of individual murders, maimings and instances of appalling torture.This has to be set against a very few instances of individual, spontaneous and unsanctioned ill-discipline by individual soldiers acting in direct contravention of their orders and, it must be said, usually in circumstances of extreme stress. Over 300,000 British soldiers served in NI in the course of the 35 years of the Troubles, the overwhelming majority of them never fired a shot in anger, or in fact even heard one. There are a small number of ex-soldiers who have cases to answer for their involvement in clearly unlawful killings, but it is a mere fraction of a percentage of the number who served. A less professional or well-disciplined army would have had thousands.
Read a little more: the Armitsar Massacre, India (1919) . Thje 'Peterloo' massacre, Manchester, 1819. And the 1918 allIreland vote effectively gave legitimacy to the Dail and its de facto army . And what do you say to recently declassified/Top Secret admission by the British Armed Forces that they took part in biochemical weapons tests upon the British populace at large, decades ago?
@@dhss333 What does the Amritsar Massacre (carried out by Indian troops incidentally) have to do with NI? Likewise the Peterloo massacre, you really are scraping the barrel there aren't you? An over-reaction by semi-trained Yeomanry at at time when England didn't even have a Police force?
Read the comments here. I dont think the UK puts army on the streets unless theres serious problems there. Grow up n behave yourselves.
Prods, and Loyalists and Brits drew first blood.
Straight White British Protestant The killing only started after the Catholic Civil rights movements, so what are you on about
Straight White British Protestant they’re obviously gonna support the people yere fighting against and news was restricted in Ireland until 1945
I am a MAN. Do NOT TALK to me about Catholics.
Straight White British Protestant apparently ye forgot about William of orange an the other English bastards who invaded. Up the Ra. Tiocfaidh ár lá
@Straight White British Protestant as opposed to the constant murder before and after 22 by the crown forces of Catholics !!! IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY , 1969 the 1st child , serving soldier and policeman where all killed by either state led forces or loyalist gunmen !!!! , or do you want to discuss how loyalist crowds burned and terrorised Catholics from their homes !!!!! , the history of this failed statlet was built on violence !!! When did you's ever think " this dog is gonna bite back " ffs.
Should have de escalated troop deployment in 1972, the British govt needed to be more aware of what was happening to the troops and the emerging problems with the Irish people. The Politicians needed to do better.
No surprise coming from the mouths of British soldiers but rarely have I heard so many clichés, myths, delusion and self justification spoken about the war in the 6 counties as this
The biggest ever IRA recruitment drives were inspired by British atrocities, 1916 Kilmainam Jail executions, Croke Park massacre in 1920, sending in the army to Northern Ireland in 1969, Bloody Sunday massacre in Derry 1972, and refusal to listen to the requests of the hunger stike in 1981. A british soldier in Northern Ireland didn't go there to keep the peace they went for the free for all no questions asked shoot to kill policy handed down from the British govt. The imperial superiority complex of the lost empire is what made a bad sutuation catastrophic. The British govt tried every dirty trick campaign from gerrymandering to colluding with loyalist paramilitaries and none of it in the name of peace.
state supported violence against its people is never excusable
There was no "state supported violence" in NI. You're swallowing republican propaganda from the people incidentally, who inflicted mass murder and unending violence against the people of NI for 35 years, and what did it get them? Nothing, NI is STILL a part of the UK . A wholly futile and unnecessary campaign of murderous terrorism which widened the gap between catholic and protestant, nationalist and unionist and entrenched bitterness for generations more to come
But non-state violence against them is, is that it?
paddy864 my granny was at bloody sunday(peaceful protest) and whitnessed her friend who was unarmed get shot dead by the british soldiers which was covered up after. That is the definition of state supported violence. To say they didn’t achieve anything is wrong, they didnt achieve thir main goal but they were the reason that the good friday agreement came about which made a more fair country and stopped the misrepresentative government who were discriminating against catholics
@@user-jo8vl5dh2v Bloody Sunday wasn't "covered up", how on earth could it have been, it was on television all over the world for a start and even the Widgery Tribunal found that the soldiers concerned had "fired recklessly". I have never doubted that, in fact I have always believed that not only did they do so , but some of them committed murder that day. The Widgery Tribunal probably did as much as it could in the time allotted to it, but Saville is the last word on the subject I'm sure, and it's conclsions were pretty much the same as Widgery but did make the point that those killed were all in fact entirely innocent. As for your point about the IRA's campaign of murder and atrocity bringing about the Good Friday Agreement, I'm afraid you're ignoring the fact that they spent 35 years slaughtering people not for what the GFA achieved, but for something else entirely. The GFA was a defeat for armed republicanism, and what was gained in it was essentially on offer once the killing and bombing was ended. They could have done that at any point in 35 years of the troubles but they didn't, because what they wanted was a united Ireland achieved purely by violence, in which they failed.
Goes both ways dear. Not everyone in the republic was squeaky clean either. Don't pick and choose populist points of view. War always was, is and always will be a very dirty business with all parties involved not being any better than the other(s).
They did not belong in Northern Ireland . The history that put them there was also a horrendous act against the Irish people . Have you got a flag ?
Suppose the British were neutral when they shot dead 14 innocent civilians in Derry in 1971
Suppose the IRA were freedom fighters when they murdered a lot of civvies then. And Bloody Sunday was caused by the IRA using peaceful protesters as meat shields.
only the culpability of those five army personnel
cthoneill 30th of January 1972 actually.
You need to read the history books bro. Bloody sunday was started by the British murdering people at a GAA match in Croke Park Dublin
@@microwavepopcorn3570 when was that ?
Fighting in our own backyard ? LOL
“Instead they were sent to keep the peace in their own back yard” give over
Thatchers new Black and Tans.
Those of you blaming the British for all the problems, should really pick up a history book detailing irish history and actually read it. Also listen to what is said in this programme at 1:20 - 2:12 and you'll actually see that N.I asked for help.
Yes, Edward Carson and his merry men, Ian Paisley and his not so merry band, really wanted to be a part of the united Ireland, didn't they?
I've re-read my post and I don't detect any spelling errors or sentences that abuse grammar. So it's not incoherent or babble, it's pretty well known historical facts.
You on the other hand.......
them soldiers were fighting for a pay check, the Irish volunteers were fighting for Ireland and get there stolen land back. EIRE 32
probably you don't know many British soldiers
Well they F**king well failed, didn't they?
26+6
@@chrisscott8368 You seem to think that "26+6" is some sort of devastating and unanswerable riposte which sweeps away any an all arguments, well it isn't. It just makes you look thick.
paddy864
When I typed it last night I accidentally sent it before I could finish it. Point I was tryin to make Paddy is "26+6=1"... Point bein it's Éire an not 1 fuckin bit of her is English no matter what some paperwork says.
To all who served in operation banner thank you for your service and sacrifice. as a son of a ex ruc officer I know the stress and anxiety both those on duty to the families went through 24/7. God bless you.
How proud must you feel to have been serving your country.. That you all keep hiding your faces.
11:15 they wear help for heroes hoodies now 😂
The civil rights marchers had nothing to do with Sinn Fein. These were people demonstrating at the way they were being treated ie as second class citizens. Pele of the falls hated the Brits because they saw them murdering innocent people on their own streets.
yeah because they went out thinking let's shot a few civilians.
And the IRA marshalled the march hoping for a big propaganda coup, which they got...not expecting the paras to react so fiercely.
I have heard most other units in the British Army really disliked the Paras, especially after bloody sunday. A complete lack of professionalism that destroy countless lives that day and for years to come, bringing a backlash onto everyone.
I always thought civil rights group had nothing to do with politics back then.
It was about 1 man 1 vote..
Squaddies are the most deluded bunch I have ever met!
It was fun though.
GLORY TO ALL VOLUNTEERS
The Ulster Volunteers
more like glory holes for volunteers
The muslims are taking care of england now😂😂🖕🏿
Tiocfaidh ár lá
I love how they counted all the peices of poor Martin. Bit creepy that.
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old mcdonald had a farm i e i e i e oooo
Tiocfaidh ár lá
sunday bloody sunday
You are wrong... also last time I checked, Northern Ireland was part of the UK
But want ISLAND is NI associated with ? Exactly. Its Ireland. Always has been and always will. Thre brits need to give back soo many territories
The Irish ARE mad.
yereverluvinuncleber fuck off ye fuckin foreigner
yereverluvinuncleber if it’s a compliment I’m sorry
Typical British documentary biased towards the army. Comments like "we were like meet in the middle of a sandwich" or "just trying to keep the peace by stopping Paramilitaries killing each other". Pure shit, hardly any mention of the collusion with the Loyalist terror groups the army engaged in or the disproportionate internment of the Irish. Bloody Sunday glossed over, among plenty of other stuff. If the army had of went in and treated everybody equally, including terror groups from both sides, then the IRA wouldn't of been able to get the support it did.
Paras 13
Bogside 0
No surrender 🇬🇧
A pretty stupid and woefully biased opinion, you obviously haven't given this the slightest serious thought at all, have you? For a start, if there actually was any organised systematic "collusion" (which I very much doubt) then none of these guys would have known about it or been party to it? Secondly, the Army didn't want Internment, it was forced through by the Stormont government in one of it's last significant acts before direct Rule was introduced. Bloody Sunday, as the Saville Report has emphatically proven, was carried out by a relatively small number of soldiers acting in direct contradiction of their orders, and not something planned by anybody. As for treating everybody the same, in general it tried to do that, but only one side were murdering soldiers and policemen, the same side that carried out most of the terrorist atrocities in the course of the troubles in fact, republicans and their supporters. And you know very well that literally thousands of Loyalists were arrested and imprisoned for all sorts of terrorist offences.
Straight White British Protestant LMAO seething Ulsterite, everyone knows the UVF were incompetent buffoons
When I was a young boy growing up in Belfast in the 1950s - my Grandfather told me that when he was a boy in the 1900 -1910 period - ' the Sun never set on the British Empire ' He also told me that the 26 County Irish Republic was the first and most important struggle that had started the collapse of that vicious British Empire - which was maintained by coercion and the force of arms. As an old man now myself , I witnessed at first hand a vicious and relentless 30 year struggle which achieved really very little . As a left wing Republican , I was one of the fortunate ones , many of my best friends are all dead -- AND FOR WHAT ?
I do hope that we never go back to those DARK DAYS when life was so cheap . Out of a small population of less than three quarters of a million Catholics in the North , almost 2,000 were murdered . The vast majority of these were totally innocent civilians . It is estimated that another 50,000 others were either directly or indirectly injured during those 30 years. Just think about that - These are appalling figures .
The only way forward if we are to prevent a sectarian bloodbath , is POLITICS.
It may be much less romantic and less appealing than physical violence but in the long run - IT WILL ACHIEVE THE SAME PURPOSE -
without a total CIVIL WAR .
A well thought out reply. Both the Brits and Irish have far more in common than we ever had dividing us.
@@andrewmore8702Nowadays the brits are called the cousins or the true English, better the devil you know than the one you don’t.
Respect to all the IRA Volunteers 🙌🇮🇪
Especially the Dorset Brigade.
As a soldier it's a simple order,, if you see anything stop anything
I thought if you see anything you salute it or polish it.
@@andrewmore8702 that's what they thought lol
11: 30 "british town" no actually Northern Irish town would have been more appropriate to call it
Martina Murray
: That's right.....Northern Ireland is part of the UK but its not part of GB.
Did all these horrible things happen to you in your own house? Town? City? Country? Oh, you mean you were in someone else's country? That explains it then, wouldn't you say?
brits out
Seen Ambrose in a few documentaries. He’s always lookin’ for aggro. Seen him gettin’ pissed in another programme co’s he was expecting some resistance and he was very upset it didn’t happen. What an attitude. Surely peace is what everybody wants?
Murderers in uniform
Donal Casey better than murderers in plain clothes.... glad the IRA were smashed up..
@@jamesfranklin3328 No better. Being a paid killer is no better than being an unpaid assassin.
petiauk7 and the IRA did it for free did they?.. at least the BA paid their taxes.. Republican money from extortion drugs black market prostitution etc etc. So don’t give me that old line....
No shit. That's the job.
@@jamesfranklin3328 Paid their taxes?? 😂🤣😂 Oh very good. Complicit in killing civilians and colluding with loyalist paramilitaries. I'm however glad they paid their taxes. I'll sleep better. Murdering bastards.
I was in 210 Signal Squadron which had/has the red hand of Ulster painted on the doors of its land rovers as a symbol of that ASSU (Air Support Signals Unit). I fought the 'war' against freedom fighters in Yemen (Aden) in the 60's and I had no idea what that red hand meant! It's logical that this indicated that soldiers were not neutral in a so-called peace-keeping mission in Northern Ireland, which should become an independent nation called Ulster and no longer paying homage to the parasitical Queen who underpaid me with her shilling, for my pain & suffering there.
It is called ulster you complete dougnut, you concentrate on the workings of yemen and not the technical complicated stuff, theres a good lad...and you call yourself ex services, how ever did you have the brain power or the mental fortitude to pass the basics...as you're clearly NUTZ..🤪..
@@wor53lg50 You are clearly just an ignorant TROLL. I did use the word ULSTER which will no doubt become an independent country and part of Ireland rather than the federal country of England, Scotland and Wales. it seems you are unable to grasp the common sense involved when the federal nation state known as Great Britain also breaks its feudal relationship to the parasitical family dynasty, since King Charles and the married woman who shagged him and got pregnant at the age of 18 whose son is now living in Queensland Australia since the Queen gave him away to one of her servant gardeners and arranged for them to emigrate with a false birth certificate. By the way, it was 245 Signal Squadron in Yemen with the Red Hand of Ulster painted on its landrovers. Only brain-dead squaddies and thugs (like you?) have called those brave souls fighting the British Army for independence in Tanganika, Kenya, Yemen and Ulster were the enemy of anyone, other than the parasitical so-called Royal Family from Hannover, called Saxe-Coberg von Gotha, until one of its bitches changed her name to Windsor. I suppose this is too complicated for anyone except a murrey and morse code operator who was attached to the Kings African Rifles with an member of the Intelligence Corps to encode and decode messages from the Ark Royal and a group of SAS psychopathic assassins (Like you?) who tried to assassinate Julius Neyerere, the new President of Tanzania, on my watch during the New Moon of February 1963. Time for you to begin to understand that you have wasted your life defending the financial interests of a fascist family from Hannover, who is worshipped by doughnuts like you (who cannot even spell doughnut)! Trained thugs like you used to try to intimidate me in the NAAFI only to find out that they paid a price which they had hardly the wits to calculate at the time, until after they regained consciousness which they lost when they least expected someone who could read psychology and spell psychopath to knock some sense into their thick skulls. Amen!
@@kalkiavatar100 pardon i didnt quite get that can you repeat it pls......... Only when truth hurts idiots rant so long with sperious claims and fictional deluded statements, have a good night... And remember big brother reads everything when certain names and certain establishments get mentioned, it could lead to a sticky deformation claim, as that is some far out statement to make?, if your a pennyless leach on society, id be carefull might get expensive, also damaging for bilateral relations australia still is commonwealth after all....
Why does someone get nicknamed "cabbage" because they are very tall?
ToonandBBfan maybe that’s incidental, maybe it’s cos his farts stank or something.
maybe the cabbage has a higher IQ
Everyone has a nickname in the British Army.
there isn't somebody in the history of England they didn't oppress! America was the most successful of showing England that British rule is no better than that of Rome and any other tyrants in history,, Ireland is the latest victims of a long line of British rule but the people of Ireland don't give up your heritage for a boot on your neck
British army used tanks rubber bullets water canons stop and search house searches on civilians in a conflict the British created!! Northern Ireland is an undemocratically created part of Britain and to this day the ignorance of this conflict is startling. The atmosphere was created by British and establishment. Imagine if it was reversed.
Ireland and Northern Ireland even have armoured vehicles for policing even now, 40 years on from the worst fighting. Rubber bullets and water cannon are used universally by riot police. If you watch the videos of Irish mobs, then maybe you'll understand. I particularly remember where a mob drag two suspected British SAS out of a car, savagely beat them and thrown in a van where they were tortured and never seen alive again.
The Irish agreed to the current division of Ireland in the Anglo-Irish treaty of 1921.
Callam your comment tells me you have no knowledge of this matter and I respectfully ask that you gain some knowledge! I cringed when I read your post.
@@TheWrensHouse Lol, nothing of what I said was incorrect, perhaps that's why your response is lazy and immediately aggressive.
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I’m not English and I served in the Gordon Highlanders and was in West Belfast in 1990 it wasn’t great,but I don’t hate anyone,but I learned these drug dealers,fucking football hooligans they ain’t nothing I learned people with a cause they genuinely believe in they need respect for that fact,it shaped my life no argument
Not racism, but a lot of Irish men that I have met have been the stereo type ie they were "always" write and would never admit when they had made a mistake! A very stubborn and dangerous race
1 second ago
Ok pal.
WHa's the instrumental at 8.00? It's some well known old school band but I can't remember the title...
As for saying they had one hand tied behind they're back thats rubbish. What they meant by that was they thought they should have been allowed do what they wanted, just like bloody Sunday. One of the biggest armies in the world who had helicopters, tanks and armored vehicles against a few guerrilla fighters and they complain on being at a disadvantage.
Yellow card .
Fuck your yellow card, what I say stands. If they had of went after Loyalist paramilitaries as much as Republicans the IRA wouldn't of had the same support. But they didn't they colluded with them, and that's on record.
Littlemac84 England is a Muslim country today - should have concentrated on their own shithole
Littlemac84
: Tanks in Northern Ireland ?????
@theblackmafia71 Apparently she didn't, she almost got blown up. And didn't manage to get rid of the IRA.
Love that story with the bugler," pack that bloody noise in its to flaming early, anyway what is it?, ive never head it before", proud bugler having a hissy fit melt down, "for god sake you guy's dont ya know, its the call for action".. 😲 True british wit...
Up the Republic
Of course kids were used as human shields but by both sides IRA & UVF that still doesn't give the English the right 4 a shoot 2 kill policy cheers Maggie
If there was such a thing as a "Shoot to Kill" policy in operation within the Security Forces (and I can tell you now for a fact that there wasn't), can you please explain to me how it is that those same security forces actually shot and killed so few people in the course of 35 or more years? How is it that the 300,000 or so soldiers who served in NI during the course of the troubles only managed to kill around 370 people in total? I mean, do the sums on that and tell me what percentage of soldiers actually shot someone over there and when you've done that you can explain this "Shoot to Kill policy" to me.
Very inaccurate and pro british depiction of the conflict and its origins
It's not supposed to be a "depiction of the conflict and its origins", you clown. It's former British soldiers talking about their experiences in NI and their perspective on the troubles, which is something you have never considered for a moment I'm sure.
@@paddy864 well said he hasnt a clue probably sits in his moms basement playing call of duty
@@nayrespect1146 Why are you insulting the chap like a whining arsehole? I would really like to know
after the zillionth 4 hour shift my bootneck mate Yorky with 42 cdo got bored shitless in the sanger on the corner of Unity flats & Peters hill and loosed 10 rounds off in the middle of the night at a large colgate toothpaste billboard ad.. every tooth had a direct hit !!!
Catholics man...
Wether it’s the British in Ireland, or the US in Iraq, they don’t want us there and it only makes things worse and heightens hostilities. Those places will tear themselves apart but intervention in foreign affairs we don’t understand only increases the problems and violence.
There was no point in oppressing and fighting the Irish people whichever side you were on. The fact is we have now been taken over by the EU and mass immigration, we have all lost out. The Muslims now call the tune in both the UK and the Republic.
Mr .Creosote fuck the EU
The Irish were NOT being oppressed...they were killing EACH other! Don't you get it ?
Sq12Sq22u22 so gerrymandering is not oppression get a life you fucking idiot
Not another boring UKIP wanker. ZZZZZ
@@tigereye1208 thats a bit harsh the persons comment is only highlighting the fact that by 2028 under eu migration figures irish catholics will not be the majority in ireland your too busy hatin an old enemy to see a greater threat on your doorstep
The issue of Northern Ireland and the "Troubles" isn't about religion it's about culture. To ascribe "religion" as the divider is easy, but not entirely correct. All through Ireland's history, the issue has always stemmed from the NI identifying themselves as "British" (when they are in fact born in Ireland) and the rest of the country which identifies itself as Irish. Religion has nothing to do with this. But in reality everything in this issue - throughout history - hinges on the festering intolerances bred by the fundamental differences of cultural identity. QED.
Well done irish
800 years , not 30
Is this meant to be some sort of joke? Pure propaganda!
Had no business in ireland .should have stayed out.this is our country.