ALSO .........When large sections of the population support an armed campaign of resistance , that means that theres very real legitimate issues . If a state falls into conflict , that means its a "failed state" , or failed system . The British created and ruled / enforced that system . In a "failed state" groups will arm themselves and fight . The resistance in WW2 used the exact same methods They were also called terrorists. A faction fighting for social change, and reform of justice and government is usually in the right. The forces that censor and ban their publications are usually the tyrants.
Whenever I see or read anything about the Troubles, there is always one fundamental and inescapable truth; if the English had never set foot on Irish soil in the first place, none of it need have happened. Anyone out there care to challenge that fact?
That is a very simplistic view of a very complex situation.If you knew anything about Irish/Scottish/Ulster history you would know that conflict is an integral part of our history irrespective of anything the English do.Intertribal war in Ireland has existed since the island was first inhabited.
TheEaglestar1 I'm aware of the intertribal conflicts that preceded what became British rule. Being related to the O'Neill clan I know for example that they ruled Ulster for centuries and made various pacts with the Normans as well as other Celtic clans before the intrigue with Elizabeth I and I am also aware that if you go back far enough,the Gaelic Scots themselves are descended from a tribe of Irish Celts who settled in the west (the Scotti, as they were known to the Romans.) But the appointment of an English Lord of Ireland by Henry II, followed by the self proclamation by Henry VIII as King of Ireland, then followed by the plantation of English and Lowland Scottish settlers on lands confiscated from the native population, are key events marking the official interference of the English in Irish affairs which sowed the seeds of the Troubles.
Rob Cornwell Very interesting.I see now that you are indeed aware of the complexities and depth of history effecting conflict in Ireland.There are a few points about your comment I would like to expand if you don't mind.The Gaels from Ulster who formed the first Gaelic entity in what is known as Scotland weren't merely settlers,they were invaders.And the Gaels were originally invaders to Ireland as they were not the original inhabitants.Likewise,when you say that there was a "plantation" of "Lowland Scottish settlers on lands confiscated from the native population" this is an oversimplification.This "plantation" operated only on certain counties and did not include counties Down and Antrim.In addition,it was not merely Scottish Lowlanders,many of Gaelic Scottish origin are today found in counties of Ulster,e.g those bearing the name of Campbell,Cameron,MacNeilly etc.Next,the lands on which Scottish settlers weren't entirely "confiscated" from the "native" population.In many cases lands were sold by Gaelic Lords in need of finance.Likewise when you say "native" who really is native? The term is inappropriate for a region which had continual interchange of populace over thousands of years. In reference to the present day recent "Troubles" we actually in reality have people with Scottish Lowland ancestors such as Gerry Adams and Bobby Sands fighting for the cause of "Gaelic Ireland" against people with Scottish Gaelic ancestors such as Gregory Campbell and Nelson McCausland for the cause of "Anglo-Saxon Britain". There is a huge degree of false propaganda sown for political agandas when the reality is so much different.
I really wish youse lot had a really psychopath government like the Syrians, Israelis, or even Franco-era Spain. You would be begging for British rule again! Expert propagandist bullshitters the nationalists. One 'massacre' in 38 years (and it was instigated by the IRA) and it is the worst thing ever suffered by any folk ever. Fuck off!
Probably because time allocated to the number of dead is proportional to the total dead in the conflict. How much time should the victims of the Kingsmill Massacre get then?
IRA have to give it to them they were top notch and the millions that loved what they did and achieved around the world pat on the back lads yous were liked more than disliked yous have got congrats world wide for your war not like the joke set up of the orange lot they were a joke and helped by the Brits other country's have named streets after IRA men and your funerals even made the loyalist jealous they were so well done
These guys literally talk about this like oh well what ever? I don’t quite understand their attitudes about the whole thing. I don’t understand the whole conflict myself. I’m an American and I had the opportunity to work with a bunch of Irish men and women. I worked at a credit card company in the collections department and there were lots of younger Irish men and women. Apparently there was some kind of plan that the US government worked out with the Irish government to kind of integrate them with the fairly diverse culture in Pittsburgh. This was in the mid 2000s and I didn’t think this kind of thing would still be active in a modern European society! It was definitely “eye opening” for sure! After working there for about a year I found myself hanging out with a bunch of them after work and on weekends. I started to notice that even though they were all from the same country you could tell that some of them didn’t care and that there was something that kept them from interacting with each other. This is when I first started to ask one of the guys who was one of, if not my best friend why so and so didn’t seem to get along to good. He told me that two of the guys were IRA members or at least IRA supporters. I actually laughed a little bit at first because I thought he was kidding but I soon realized that it wasn’t at all a laughing matter. I remember the one guy actually having a kind of sticker or postcard of sorts that he had at his cubicle and I just remember there being some kind of silhouette on it and it actually saying IRA. I thought it was just some kind of Irish patriotism of sorts because I didn’t nor do I still fully understand it. He actually told me that the whole reason that most of them were in America because they were here under some kind visa program that was created to get the Irish youths to learn to integrate with many different kinds of people and to move on from their hatred and to understand equality. I really found it shocking because of how racism and inequality is a big topic here both then and even now 15 or so years later! I definitely know this exists but I have never personally felt that way. I believe that their are good and bad people everywhere and its not the color of their skin, where they came from, or even what religion they believe in. Unfortunately there are extremists that give people a bad name and reputation. I know this is a pipe dream but I just wish all people felt like I do when it comes to this kind of thing. I don’t care what anyone wants to believe or do as long as they aren’t hurting anyone else there is nothing wrong with it! I really get angry with people who come off as if they are extremely religious but when you believe in something different or feel a different way towards something than they do its a big problem. This kind of behavior is the polar opposite of what their religions teach them how to be towards people but their hypocrisy is mind bending! Anyway unfortunately from what I could tell is that most of the people that came to America under this visa program personally didn’t care what religion you were, or what color skin you had, or even what your sexual preference was anyway! Honestly I noticed that their was a good amount of them that were homosexual or they seemed to want to date someone from a different race and either felt that back in Ireland they could never really be him or herself! I even went out on several dates with some girls who came over here and one in particular one event really sticks out in my head. She had wanted to see Amish people where they really lived so I decided to take her for a short road trip to a community about 1.5 hours from where she lived. I don’t even really remember why I asked because it really isn’t anything that matters much to me anyways but, I asked her if she was Catholic or Protestant? Now for the most part this girl was pretty shy and quiet but when I asked this she literally became enraged and said that Its none of my business and went on a rant. That’s a lot more polite than she was when she said it of course! LOL. I was shocked and tried to go straight into damage control and say how sorry I was and that it didn’t matter to me either way and that I only asked to make small talk. She eventually got over it but still never answered my question! LOL. I myself grew up Catholic but I would definitely not consider myself one now. I have become extremely turned off by many different things about the church and especially its stance on several different topics and its hypocrisy as well. Now after getting to know this girl more I come to find that she was actual from Belfast so she was basically born right in the middle of all this Catholic Protestant mess so her reaction wasn’t really as alarming as I thought it was at the moment because she had probably seen a lot of things growing up and was probably scared to actually say which one if any she was. She actually ironically had become pretty homesick and even though we did go out a few more times and I really did enjoy her company she moved back home to Belfast shortly after! I have to add she was one of the most beautiful girls I had ever came across. I had always been attracted to women with darker skin and and hair but she was the exact opposite! She had the most beautiful curly red hair, pale soft skin, and beautiful blue eyes! LOL. Anyways I had never planned on writing a book like this but after watching this video all these memories all came back. I am now wondering if that visa program still exists and if it was successful at all? I know a good number of them ended up becoming married and staying here and for my best friend he is now living in Canada. He actually can’t even come back to Pittsburgh or probably the US at all because I know he had gotten in a little bit of trouble and had to come back to Pittsburgh to go to court but ended up staying in Canada and just ignoring it! LOL
We found a device once and when for op clean and the 22boys came killed the provos Result The lads from the Hereford gun club sent us shitloads of beer
@@jackietreehorn5561 and I extend mine back to you My friend it was a Long Time ago but for me the memories a still feel like it happen this morning 🕊️
+Stan Orr my family were greatful to not have to live under seige in the Falls. The locals were also greatful yo the BA until it all became one sided very quickly. I had family who had to leave N Ireland due to their very involvement in the BA.
Believe top guns in Glasgow told the lot of them not to do this stuff in my city. Put it this way, despite the Rangers and Celtic, there weren't any bombs on Argyle, Buchanan or Sauchiehall Streets. Just something i piclked up upon years back.
AND , I think a LOT of people in Cambodia / Columbia and Sierra Leone "wanted change" . The FACT is , that when a state fails , a group or groups will rise up to fight for a different system
This is why you don’t lead people onto an insurgency. As a cyclist, the bike bomb has even occurred to me. Given that the English language can be used as a weapon, this type of information getting out into the wind is why it is much better to keep people happy with their governments.
Those E.O.D Guys ( FELIX Units) possibly... NO Probably the BRAVEST of all who served in Ireland. ( Yes Even braver than than the guys in ''saber '' units of the troop. They had the respect & admiration of every member of the British forces. Now part of the Logistics corps I believe. Lest we forget.
+john connell What makes the IRA brave ? The act of setting up a bomb and running away ? Most soldiers and police they killed were off duty, and most of the IRA targets were civilians. Those are the facts. If you're talking about the IRA campaign for a Free State, then that's a different story, but don't insult their memory by even hinting that the PIRA were brave. They weren't. They were thugs and cowards who murdered innocent people.
I'm from the UK and I think he is right. When you consider the superior numbers, logistics and firepower they were up against, it takes some bottle to go out and risk everything for a cause when you could just settle for a quiet life, unlike the British troops who were career soldiers on the army payroll. As for the tactics, yes it was ugly but what else could they have done? A full-on confrontation would have been a waste of time against the British army with all its resources; it's not a question of bottle but a question of how best to achieve an objective. Much like the use of Drones by the Brits and Americans in other parts of the world today.
As much as I'm against occupation the squaddies really didn't have any fucking choice where to go other than leave the army....young lads probably with the shite scared out of them...blame HM govt
@@JB-cq8is Yea I agree although I don't think being able to throw a flaming bottle correlates well with politics. The country will never be undivided until we stop teaching our kids the same hate that we had!
i hear what your saying olliephelan ive been told a hell of a lot about the troubles and what goes with it.from what ive heard first hand about my friends mates getting knee capped for selling knocked of clothes i think the ira turned a lot of people against them.i could sit and listen to his storys all day not in a sadistic way but in the fact it amazes me what he has seen.hes been given a new ID and lives out of the country now as he was stitched up by MI5 and RUC SB.lucky to be alive.
very interesting sounds like they where just doing what they got trained to do but I can't help but wonder how they could not see why the I.R.A war was fighting because of mistreatment of their people
ROYAL SCOTT'S 1971 TO 72. REMEMBER DINO AND BLIND PEW ????? I WAS SENT TO CAMBRIDGE MILITARY HOSPITAL ALDERSHOT DIAGNOSED WITH PTSD AND PSORIASIS.......
The fact that the rebels are bloodthirsty nut-cases doesnt mean that the countries revolutions are illigitimate. In West Africa , the regimes themselves were so corrupt that they lost all "viability" Revolution was inevitable (even if the rebels are nuts) The facts that the opposition were nuts , does NOT mean that the government needs to be replaced (coup) In W Africa ye had complete power vacuums (anarchy) Any revolution was as legitimate as its predesessor
Those circumstances are absolutely mindblowing to hear, especially given it is in the UK. Unthinkable where I am from in middle europe. Especialöy the lock him in story with the teens really shocked me, so young age and yet so little care for a stranger mans life...
In nationalist / republican areas (ghettos) the police were not trusted and were seen widely as a hostile enemy (which was true) So , "justice" and order in those areas was in the hands of the IRA Community courts settled small disputes but the IRA settled "anti-social behaviour" It was martial law They didnt have the luxury of normal judicial proceedures "Lives were saved " when the British decided to address power sharing problems The only way to achieve that was armed campaign
no the Ulster protestants who where planted in the North of Ireland when ethnic cleansing went on and were given the Natives land while Cromwell forced the Irish into Eire cause the North of Ireland had the most fertile land. The Irish had no right to vote were not allowed to be employed whilst it is a well known fact the natives were told to get educated which they did and hence THE TROUBLES STARTED!!!
Personally I think Ireland should be united- but back then the Republic failed to make any attempt to create a society, secular constitution etc, in which all communities could feel at home. To be fair, the north didn't either.
Well spotted 😊 The BBC and ITV use to pay loyal republican youth to start stone throwing for GOOD TV footage, very much like CNN promotes fake news today.
Trevor Oldenburger I was there too (literally up the road) Not much point in wearing jungle fatigues in a city . They wore them in the countryside (15;00 ) do they really need a (dark) red marker on the top of their heads when patrolling in the countryside ?
madeline koster Yeah , but you see , theres at least 160 dead British Soldiers that were shot just in the countryside around Armagh . Within a ten mile radius . In total , more than Afghanistan (1117) A little red bobbin might look great to you on a parade ground . And it would also look pretty bad to a squaddie going out into the countryside of Armagh . The I R A didnt waste bullets . At least in Ireland there was a cause , unlike the sickening war crimes your country drags Britain into .
why did the producers make such a terrible choice of music. Im watching this right, and Im thinking; they make it sound like it was a party. its crazy. poor soldiers my ass.
Wow , what a reaction . How angry someone gets is usually a good inication of how much a comment has effected their thinking . SO........mr ALLTHAT , did I shake your ideas of right and wrong ? (or do ye have any ?)
Rebellion in Sierra Leone or Liberia were ligitimate They were savages , but the govt was so corrupt that it set the stage for a power struggle . The fact that they were headcases is secondary to what were talking about . The conditions in west africa dictated revolution . It was fully predictable [Id consider north korea to be so drastically failed that its a mega-prison . But you mentioned SK ,so thats what i commented on ]
War by Proxy, yes, the PIRA received alot of help from Libya. Thats what I meant. yes I used the wrong acronym, but the point is the SAS do not target civillians, no professional military organisation does, not targeting civillians is the difference between Guerilla warfare and terrorism. Che guevara was even worse than this...but thans a different arguement. And the troubles were more or less started by cromwell after the irish conferderate wars. TERRORISM IS NEVER JUSTIFIED, END OF
I made 6 statements in that comment . 5 of them are definitely correct I assume your talking about "a faction fighting for change is usually in the right " ? Maybe its not a great statement but Id reckon its true more often than not You wont find rebels organising and fighting just for the hell of it If theres rebels in a state , then that state has failed . The rebels (even RUF) often have legitimate issues Violence doesnt arise spontaneously
Charles Taylor was "legitimate" enough for the UN to give him diplomatic rights. The UN kept Pol Pot seat at the general assembly vacant for 15 years , refusing to recognise the new govt , or give it food aid (simply because it was pro-vietnamese )(the population starved) I think were arguing about two different things.....Your saying Taylor was a mass murderer and cannibal . I couldnt agree more. What Im saying, is that revolution was predictable (regardless of who the rebels are)
there is no excuse for ocupping a the last six counties. Patrick ('Paddy') Doherty (31) Gerald Donaghy (17) John ('Jackie') Duddy (17) Hugh Gilmour (17) Michael Kelly (17) Michael McDaid (20) Kevin McElhinney (17) Bernard ('Barney') McGuigan (41) Gerald McKinney (35) William ('Willie') McKinney (26) William Nash (19) James ('Jim') Wray (22) John Young (17) John Johnston (59)
Columbia has 4 different faction fighting (i think) Thats "failed" .....By failed , I mean the system or staus quo no longer works for the population , and it disintegrates into fighting . Theres no better definition of "failed" when theres civil war Drugs and power have made it messy - same in Ireland , rebels find it hard to retire .
FARC gave up..the dissidents now are just criminals working with narco traffickers. More than half the country voted against the peace deal and FARC got thumped when they stood in the elections..even left wing Colombians despise them in main
Well , I doubt he got knee capped for clothes . Id reckon he was warned. They just didnt have the time or resources to do things like that. Maybe the store was IRA owned and had been knocked off several times - then they pick one to show an example.? There was also IRA black market that had to be protected from competition If he was innocent and stitched up , then that shows what the IRA were up against Given the conditions , thats how youd expect the IRA to act
your obviously referring to the english having to go in to keep the peace... they were keeping the peace between irish and english/scottish descendants who had been given stolen land... read about ulster plantation... learn your history
Technically as much of the IRA and SF leadership have now joined the establishment then i think its not an IRA victory if the objective was 32 county republic
@lvan Big Nob Not just technically, they lost comprehensively and completely. Their only reason for their existence was the achievement of a united Ireland by the use of the "armed struggle", which failed totally, as it was always going to. NI is still part of the UK and that can only change via democratic means, it's status as part of the Uk is fully recognised by the Irish government and the Irish constitution no longer lays claim to it, Articles 2&3 having been removed. Armed republicanism and its' campaign of terrorism was defeated, there is no doubt about that.
What ? Armed conflict means theres something BADLY WRONG How could it be any other way ? Even in Brasil , where gangs have shootouts with the police is an indicator that something is badly wrong If people are content , without grievances they WILL NOT form into an army South Korea is a heavily militarised state with a war economy. Different political parties are banned Criticism of the regime or government is illegal. Do you know anything about geopolitics ? History ?
If theres a section of the population that have such problems that they take up arms and fight , then that system has failed ( Ireland / columbia / cambodia / VN / El Salvador / Chile / Turkey , almost EVERY mid eastern country Most of the time theres outside interference / outside causes. If theres fighting - then theres something BADLY wrong Columbia and S Korea are failed states Columbia is the biggest recipient of US arms Why ? Maybe we should define "failed"
It's not the micks u need 2 worried bout Ian Jarrett plenty of Irish lads fighting in Afghanistan 4 ye there s loads of English family's moving 2 Ireland getting away 4rm Islam your bn over run
Your incorrect!! Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales, Britain is England and Wales And that's according to the act of union in 1707..no part of Ireland was included in the act of union, not then, not now and not ever so maybe before writing shyte you should examine the facts of what is British and what isn't!! Britain isn't a country by the way its a union of three nations. Also Ulster's a province in Ireland and as the six counties sit inside that province it can only be part of itself and the geographical landmass known as the island of Ireland!! Your identity is as false as your whitewashed history. I do wonder what your great great grandfather's would make of your treachery considering your protestant Presbyterian forefathers fought for Ireland against the very traitors you stand with today.. You insult your own heritage with your uneducated ignorance and your lack of historical fact. Wolfe Tone was a protestant, Henry Joy was a protestant. Douglas Hyde was a protestant, Napper Tandy was a protestant, Michael Davitt was a protestant, General Munroe was a Protestant, half of William of Oranges men were protestant and they built the Catholic churches across Ulster when William defeated James for the crown of England. It wasn't a Protestant victory as the battle wasn't about religion. Half of Williams men were Catholics many of whom were related to the protestants by blood and marriage. Your version of this event is an outrageous lie unsupported and so untruthful its not in any history book.. I'll expose your bullshit because a lie will always be a lie no matter how many times you tell it...
@@markkavanagh4457 pfffffff. corporations mate talmudic order...goes all the way back to the tribes of israel....so you can make borders and go along with the monopoly board all you like unless the people learn the true history as most of what is taught (indoctrination) is 180 degrees out. Ireland has been shafted 3 times by the talmudics...and now half of ireland isn't even true irish....talmudic settlers (ie top freemasons and those holding office) about to whack the irish with a huge carbon tax - the EU talmudics don't shower with loans for nothing. as soon as the EU took over ireland & they did take over hence lisbon treaty x 3 vote - those in ireland supporting EU are those that are currently reaping big payments. whilst the majority pick up the tab...NOT only in ireland this bankster globalist problem is all over. Immigration en mass as is happening when the eu has destroyed industry but dummied up craft/hobby industry and tourism which doesn't exist if noone has money to spend - only leads to poverty....and the immigration is just the replacement plan.
@@seansouth7333 that aint what alot of your proud nationalist countrymen are saying dewn sewf in the rebublic????? Better the devil you know than the devil ye dont...
@@wor53lg50 it's the British fault for spreading this multi cultural diversity nonsense. You lot brought it here. Ireland is white aswels has been. First time anyone in Belfast saw a black man was when the Brits invaded
@@seansouth7333 blame every fukka but yourselves all you irish do...and which callender year was that invasion when we released the blackman to belfast when we invaded then??? 16th century? Earlier, later? You aint very bright are you young man, pack up slinging dope and get picketing for the future of your kids not squabbling with a likewise cultured neighbour....
scallywags..well some of them..there were always Catholics in the RUC and British Army. Plus the history of Ireland is always one of infighting ..look at the Civil War..the Free State executed more IRA men than the British
ALSO .........When large sections of the population support an armed campaign of resistance , that means that theres very real legitimate issues .
If a state falls into conflict , that means its a "failed state" , or failed system .
The British created and ruled / enforced that system .
In a "failed state" groups will arm themselves and fight .
The resistance in WW2 used the exact same methods
They were also called terrorists.
A faction fighting for social change, and reform of justice and government is usually in the right.
The forces that censor and ban their publications are usually the tyrants.
Love it mate.
Excellent
This documentary has a fantastic soundtrack
What times we went through on all sides...
Violence begets violence.
Whenever I see or read anything about the Troubles, there is always one fundamental and inescapable truth; if the English had never set foot on Irish soil in the first place, none of it need have happened. Anyone out there care to challenge that fact?
That is a very simplistic view of a very complex situation.If you knew anything about Irish/Scottish/Ulster history you would know that conflict is an integral part of our history irrespective of anything the English do.Intertribal war in Ireland has existed since the island was first inhabited.
TheEaglestar1 I'm aware of the intertribal conflicts that preceded what became British rule. Being related to the O'Neill clan I know for example that they ruled Ulster for centuries and made various pacts with the Normans as well as other Celtic clans before the intrigue with Elizabeth I and I am also aware that if you go back far enough,the Gaelic Scots themselves are descended from a tribe of Irish Celts who settled in the west (the Scotti, as they were known to the Romans.) But the appointment of an English Lord of Ireland by Henry II, followed by the self proclamation by Henry VIII as King of Ireland, then followed by the plantation of English and Lowland Scottish settlers on lands confiscated from the native population, are key events marking the official interference of the English in Irish affairs which sowed the seeds of the Troubles.
Rob Cornwell Very interesting.I see now that you are indeed aware of the complexities and depth of history effecting conflict in Ireland.There are a few points about your comment I would like to expand if you don't mind.The Gaels from Ulster who formed the first Gaelic entity in what is known as Scotland weren't merely settlers,they were invaders.And the Gaels were originally invaders to Ireland as they were not the original inhabitants.Likewise,when you say that there was a "plantation" of "Lowland Scottish settlers on lands confiscated from the native population" this is an oversimplification.This "plantation" operated only on certain counties and did not include counties Down and Antrim.In addition,it was not merely Scottish Lowlanders,many of Gaelic Scottish origin are today found in counties of Ulster,e.g those bearing the name of Campbell,Cameron,MacNeilly etc.Next,the lands on which Scottish settlers weren't entirely "confiscated" from the "native" population.In many cases lands were sold by Gaelic Lords in need of finance.Likewise when you say "native" who really is native? The term is inappropriate for a region which had continual interchange of populace over thousands of years.
In reference to the present day recent "Troubles" we actually in reality have people with Scottish Lowland ancestors such as Gerry Adams and Bobby Sands fighting for the cause of "Gaelic Ireland" against people with Scottish Gaelic ancestors such as Gregory Campbell and Nelson McCausland for the cause of "Anglo-Saxon Britain".
There is a huge degree of false propaganda sown for political agandas when the reality is so much different.
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Rob Cornwell You're right. Same with Vietnam, American civil war, Germany, USSR, etc etc. you know, like EVERY WAR
I love how talk about bloody Sunday for about 10 seconds and then back to how bad the IRA was
Not to forget no mention of the other two massacres in the same year including little girls
I really wish youse lot had a really psychopath government like the Syrians, Israelis, or even Franco-era Spain. You would be begging for British rule again! Expert propagandist bullshitters the nationalists. One 'massacre' in 38 years (and it was instigated by the IRA) and it is the worst thing ever suffered by any folk ever. Fuck off!
Probably because time allocated to the number of dead is proportional to the total dead in the conflict. How much time should the victims of the Kingsmill Massacre get then?
How many incidents of deliberate, planned mass-murder did your heroes carry out?
IRA have to give it to them they were top notch and the millions that loved what they did and achieved around the world pat on the back lads yous were liked more than disliked yous have got congrats world wide for your war not like the joke set up of the orange lot they were a joke and helped by the Brits other country's have named streets after IRA men and your funerals even made the loyalist jealous they were so well done
0:46 loving the appropriate music
go on home british soldiers
Nice One Cyril was about Cyril Knowles who played for Spurs
These guys literally talk about this like oh well what ever? I don’t quite understand their attitudes about the whole thing. I don’t understand the whole conflict myself. I’m an American and I had the opportunity to work with a bunch of Irish men and women. I worked at a credit card company in the collections department and there were lots of younger Irish men and women. Apparently there was some kind of plan that the US government worked out with the Irish government to kind of integrate them with the fairly diverse culture in Pittsburgh. This was in the mid 2000s and I didn’t think this kind of thing would still be active in a modern European society! It was definitely “eye opening” for sure! After working there for about a year I found myself hanging out with a bunch of them after work and on weekends. I started to notice that even though they were all from the same country you could tell that some of them didn’t care and that there was something that kept them from interacting with each other. This is when I first started to ask one of the guys who was one of, if not my best friend why so and so didn’t seem to get along to good. He told me that two of the guys were IRA members or at least IRA supporters. I actually laughed a little bit at first because I thought he was kidding but I soon realized that it wasn’t at all a laughing matter. I remember the one guy actually having a kind of sticker or postcard of sorts that he had at his cubicle and I just remember there being some kind of silhouette on it and it actually saying IRA. I thought it was just some kind of Irish patriotism of sorts because I didn’t nor do I still fully understand it. He actually told me that the whole reason that most of them were in America because they were here under some kind visa program that was created to get the Irish youths to learn to integrate with many different kinds of people and to move on from their hatred and to understand equality. I really found it shocking because of how racism and inequality is a big topic here both then and even now 15 or so years later! I definitely know this exists but I have never personally felt that way. I believe that their are good and bad people everywhere and its not the color of their skin, where they came from, or even what religion they believe in. Unfortunately there are extremists that give people a bad name and reputation. I know this is a pipe dream but I just wish all people felt like I do when it comes to this kind of thing. I don’t care what anyone wants to believe or do as long as they aren’t hurting anyone else there is nothing wrong with it! I really get angry with people who come off as if they are extremely religious but when you believe in something different or feel a different way towards something than they do its a big problem. This kind of behavior is the polar opposite of what their religions teach them how to be towards people but their hypocrisy is mind bending! Anyway unfortunately from what I could tell is that most of the people that came to America under this visa program personally didn’t care what religion you were, or what color skin you had, or even what your sexual preference was anyway! Honestly I noticed that their was a good amount of them that were homosexual or they seemed to want to date someone from a different race and either felt that back in Ireland they could never really be him or herself! I even went out on several dates with some girls who came over here and one in particular one event really sticks out in my head. She had wanted to see Amish people where they really lived so I decided to take her for a short road trip to a community about 1.5 hours from where she lived. I don’t even really remember why I asked because it really isn’t anything that matters much to me anyways but, I asked her if she was Catholic or Protestant? Now for the most part this girl was pretty shy and quiet but when I asked this she literally became enraged and said that Its none of my business and went on a rant. That’s a lot more polite than she was when she said it of course! LOL. I was shocked and tried to go straight into damage control and say how sorry I was and that it didn’t matter to me either way and that I only asked to make small talk. She eventually got over it but still never answered my question! LOL. I myself grew up Catholic but I would definitely not consider myself one now. I have become extremely turned off by many different things about the church and especially its stance on several different topics and its hypocrisy as well. Now after getting to know this girl more I come to find that she was actual from Belfast so she was basically born right in the middle of all this Catholic Protestant mess so her reaction wasn’t really as alarming as I thought it was at the moment because she had probably seen a lot of things growing up and was probably scared to actually say which one if any she was. She actually ironically had become pretty homesick and even though we did go out a few more times and I really did enjoy her company she moved back home to Belfast shortly after! I have to add she was one of the most beautiful girls I had ever came across. I had always been attracted to women with darker skin and and hair but she was the exact opposite! She had the most beautiful curly red hair, pale soft skin, and beautiful blue eyes! LOL. Anyways I had never planned on writing a book like this but after watching this video all these memories all came back. I am now wondering if that visa program still exists and if it was successful at all? I know a good number of them ended up becoming married and staying here and for my best friend he is now living in Canada. He actually can’t even come back to Pittsburgh or probably the US at all because I know he had gotten in a little bit of trouble and had to come back to Pittsburgh to go to court but ended up staying in Canada and just ignoring it! LOL
Well said. But it was Never about religion but english Plantated people who thought that Ireland was part of england.
No comment about Bloody Sunday. Greatest recruiter the IRA ever got.
um you obviously didn't watch the previous parts.
@@killercd7682 its the only thing the idiot knows about... Whats the bets he aint even irish...
I have a certain amount of empathy for some of the young British soldiers, but none for the hated RUC.
now felix. those folks where brave.
We found a device once and when for op clean and the 22boys came killed the provos
Result
The lads from the Hereford gun club sent us shitloads of beer
@@jackietreehorn5561 and I extend mine back to you My friend it was a Long Time ago but for me the memories a still feel like it happen this morning
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haha the bomb disposal robot! i remember watching one of these in action during a bomb scare in school, ah happy memmories
mezzuna in
imagine if they use hurls and golf balls
Butter flies good blokes.
And the Brits wonder why they're hated all over the planet.
Yeti Muncha Brits aren’t hated by most
American birds loving the english accent says different???
Brits are only hated by retarded Irish republicans and countries that they conquered 😊
Jealous more like
+Stan Orr my family were greatful to not have to live under seige in the Falls. The locals were also greatful yo the BA until it all became one sided very quickly. I had family who had to leave N Ireland due to their very involvement in the BA.
Believe top guns in Glasgow told the lot of them not to do this stuff in my city. Put it this way, despite the Rangers and Celtic, there weren't any bombs on Argyle, Buchanan or Sauchiehall Streets. Just something i piclked up upon years back.
AND , I think a LOT of people in Cambodia / Columbia and Sierra Leone "wanted change" .
The FACT is , that when a state fails , a group or groups will rise up to fight for a different system
Till we all muster for the last time . Rip lads.
Father Alec Reid is my hero
I'd certainly concur with that comment about Alec Reid. Even Maggie used him as a negotiator. R.I.P. Alec
lol wheelie bins omg 90s
This is why you don’t lead people onto an insurgency. As a cyclist, the bike bomb has even occurred to me. Given that the English language can be used as a weapon, this type of information getting out into the wind is why it is much better to keep people happy with their governments.
Best Training Ground for The British Army except The theat was real.
Those E.O.D Guys ( FELIX Units) possibly... NO Probably the BRAVEST of all who served in Ireland. ( Yes Even braver than than the guys in ''saber '' units of the troop. They had the respect & admiration of every member of the British forces. Now part of the Logistics corps I believe.
Lest we forget.
+Belfastchild The bravest soldiers who served in Ireland were volunteers of the gallant I.R.A
+jack jones No it's not.
+john connell What makes the IRA brave ? The act of setting up a bomb and running away ? Most soldiers and police they killed were off duty, and most of the IRA targets were civilians. Those are the facts.
If you're talking about the IRA campaign for a Free State, then that's a different story, but don't insult their memory by even hinting that the PIRA were brave. They weren't. They were thugs and cowards who murdered innocent people.
I'm from the UK and I think he is right. When you consider the superior numbers, logistics and firepower they were up against, it takes some bottle to go out and risk everything for a cause when you could just settle for a quiet life, unlike the British troops who were career soldiers on the army payroll. As for the tactics, yes it was ugly but what else could they have done? A full-on confrontation would have been a waste of time against the British army with all its resources; it's not a question of bottle but a question of how best to achieve an objective. Much like the use of Drones by the Brits and Americans in other parts of the world today.
Ulick Mikkeline best honest comment on u tube well sed sir
As much as I'm against occupation the squaddies really didn't have any fucking choice where to go other than leave the army....young lads probably with the shite scared out of them...blame HM govt
I only realised after watching this how accurate we are with are brick/bottle throwing technique
@@JB-cq8is Yea I agree although I don't think being able to throw a flaming bottle correlates well with politics. The country will never be undivided until we stop teaching our kids the same hate that we had!
our day will come
Well said.
i hear what your saying olliephelan ive been told a hell of a lot about the troubles and what goes with it.from what ive heard first hand about my friends mates getting knee capped for selling knocked of clothes i think the ira turned a lot of people against them.i could sit and listen to his storys all day not in a sadistic way but in the fact it amazes me what he has seen.hes been given a new ID and lives out of the country now as he was stitched up by MI5 and RUC SB.lucky to be alive.
very interesting sounds like they where just doing what they got trained to do but I can't help but wonder how they could not see why the I.R.A war was fighting because of mistreatment of their people
Great doc. Could have done w o the glam rock or whatever it was
Naw the sound track was fiiire
ROYAL SCOTT'S 1971 TO 72. REMEMBER DINO AND BLIND PEW ????? I WAS SENT TO CAMBRIDGE MILITARY HOSPITAL ALDERSHOT DIAGNOSED WITH PTSD AND PSORIASIS.......
Aww how sad, you have PTSD from terrorizing the Irish people, poor you, long live the IRA and Brits get the fuck out of Ireland
sobering, depressing, desperate - just about sums up the troubles
It's an awful shame any of the British soldiers left northern Ireland, Alive.
Its also gonna be a shame watching you woke yuppy kunts stuck against the wall.🤯..
+Stan Orr missed my point mate...nothing against the squaddies....problem with the government...please read carefully before comment
The fact that the rebels are bloodthirsty nut-cases doesnt mean that the countries revolutions are illigitimate.
In West Africa , the regimes themselves were so corrupt that they lost all "viability"
Revolution was inevitable (even if the rebels are nuts)
The facts that the opposition were nuts , does NOT mean that the government needs to be replaced (coup)
In W Africa ye had complete power vacuums (anarchy)
Any revolution was as legitimate as its predesessor
42 Commando RM were awesome...
How do you know that 'Alastair' ? ...Did someone tell you ?
Those circumstances are absolutely mindblowing to hear, especially given it is in the UK. Unthinkable where I am from in middle europe.
Especialöy the lock him in story with the teens really shocked me, so young age and yet so little care for a stranger mans life...
In nationalist / republican areas (ghettos) the police were not trusted and were seen widely as a hostile enemy (which was true)
So , "justice" and order in those areas was in the hands of the IRA
Community courts settled small disputes but the IRA settled "anti-social behaviour"
It was martial law
They didnt have the luxury of normal judicial proceedures
"Lives were saved " when the British decided to address power sharing problems
The only way to achieve that was armed campaign
just doing your job fellas..only layer do you realise the nonsense futility of it all
no the Ulster protestants who where planted in the North of Ireland when ethnic cleansing went on and were given the Natives land while Cromwell forced the Irish into Eire cause the North of Ireland had the most fertile land. The Irish had no right to vote were not allowed to be employed whilst it is a well known fact the natives were told to get educated which they did and hence THE TROUBLES STARTED!!!
not allowed to be employed..well plenty joined the British Army over 300 years
🇬🇧RED HAND COMMANDO🇬🇧 NO SURRENDER NO PEACE NO FUCKING WAY!
When Ireland gets its independence eventually, all this will be seen as the British fault and right it should be.
Personally I think Ireland should be united- but back then the Republic failed to make any attempt to create a society, secular constitution etc, in which all communities could feel at home. To be fair, the north didn't either.
WHEEL SAID
@Haribo 73 no we don't.we got the parts u didn't like and we won't rest till we have our country
6:45 ... who is that media guy?? (Looks like they are *in* with the stonethrowers..shades of Don Lemon and Charlottesville..)
Well spotted 😊
The BBC and ITV use to pay loyal republican youth to start stone throwing for GOOD TV footage, very much like CNN promotes fake news today.
🇬🇧🇬🇧heroes
wtf is with the inappropriate songs?
makes you wonder what the real truth was back in the day...no mobiles and internet back then...you did as you were told...endex
So the Irish hated bomb disposal for disposing the bombs that would have blown them up
2:00 WHAT? THE KFC MAN WAS IN THE ARMY?
Is a bright red beret , or a red flower in the beret ( like 11;17 ) not defeat the purpose of camouflage ?
dark red! and you cannot camouflage yourself in a city. I know cos I was there.
Trevor Oldenburger
I was there too (literally up the road)
Not much point in wearing jungle fatigues in a city .
They wore them in the countryside (15;00 )
do they really need a (dark) red marker on the top of their heads when patrolling in the countryside ?
Me too Mate. 7 full tours in five years.
Ollie Phelan As an American who hates the sad little Britain/Ireland controversy I think it looks quite fantastic practical or not.
madeline koster
Yeah , but you see , theres at least 160 dead British Soldiers that were shot just in the countryside around Armagh .
Within a ten mile radius .
In total , more than Afghanistan (1117)
A little red bobbin might look great to you on a parade ground . And it would also look pretty bad to a squaddie going out into the countryside of Armagh .
The I R A didnt waste bullets .
At least in Ireland there was a cause , unlike the sickening war crimes your country drags Britain into .
why did the producers make such a terrible choice of music. Im watching this right, and Im thinking; they make it sound like it was a party. its crazy. poor soldiers my ass.
Philip Drake Do you know the song from 0:27 to over 2 minutes? because i dont
Dynamite by Mud. I think
YEAH FUCK THEM
How many pieces?
sas planted the bomb to make it look like it was irish
United Ireland!!
Let the English have the vote and I'll guarantee it and Scotland independence too. Then you can kill each other to your heart's content.
@@rainbowsix660nice we’d like that thank you
Wow , what a reaction .
How angry someone gets is usually a good inication of how much a comment has effected their thinking .
SO........mr ALLTHAT , did I shake your ideas of right and wrong ?
(or do ye have any ?)
Brits out!
fuck off
Nice symbol... Hypocrite..
I think any member of those bomb disposal units should be awarded The Victoria Cross.
Eric M there invaders on another country not hero’s
@@fahandonegal... I'm American. I have no dog in the hunt. But I have empathy for both sides.
The bomb disposal units refuse to accept The VC and instead regard the MC as the highest honour.
@@garethoneill5676 Interesting. Thanks.
AND NEW ARMS AND LEGS LOL
Rebellion in Sierra Leone or Liberia were ligitimate
They were savages , but the govt was so corrupt that it set the stage for a power struggle .
The fact that they were headcases is secondary to what were talking about .
The conditions in west africa dictated revolution .
It was fully predictable
[Id consider north korea to be so drastically failed that its a mega-prison . But you mentioned SK ,so thats what i commented on ]
Very interesting these programmes , but what’s with the ridiculous music? The boys are back in town?
Its the tune the woman and kids made on bin lids to signify to the ira what unit had showed up, meaning the Paras havnt you been listening...
War by Proxy, yes, the PIRA received alot of help from Libya. Thats what I meant.
yes I used the wrong acronym, but the point is the SAS do not target civillians, no professional military organisation does, not targeting civillians is the difference between Guerilla warfare and terrorism. Che guevara was even worse than this...but thans a different arguement. And the troubles were more or less started by cromwell after the irish conferderate wars. TERRORISM IS NEVER JUSTIFIED, END OF
I made 6 statements in that comment .
5 of them are definitely correct
I assume your talking about "a faction fighting for change is usually in the right " ?
Maybe its not a great statement but Id reckon its true more often than not
You wont find rebels organising and fighting just for the hell of it
If theres rebels in a state , then that state has failed .
The rebels (even RUF) often have legitimate issues
Violence doesnt arise spontaneously
Charles Taylor was "legitimate" enough for the UN to give him diplomatic rights.
The UN kept Pol Pot seat at the general assembly vacant for 15 years , refusing to recognise the new govt , or give it food aid (simply because it was pro-vietnamese )(the population starved)
I think were arguing about two different things.....Your saying Taylor was a mass murderer and cannibal . I couldnt agree more.
What Im saying, is that revolution was predictable (regardless of who the rebels are)
tuff shit Brit
I'm mincing about with my cats, I. Can't tell. You what I went through, I did. Bomb disposal, mind you, the crazy bastard was a Brigadeer
SAS didnot target civillians - PAT FINUCANE!!! just one - u no nothing so don't get involved!!
What is the song from 0:27 to over 2 minutes
the band mud singing dynamite
there is no excuse for ocupping a the last six counties. Patrick ('Paddy') Doherty (31)
Gerald Donaghy (17)
John ('Jackie') Duddy (17)
Hugh Gilmour (17)
Michael Kelly (17)
Michael McDaid (20)
Kevin McElhinney (17)
Bernard ('Barney') McGuigan (41)
Gerald McKinney (35)
William ('Willie') McKinney (26)
William Nash (19)
James ('Jim') Wray (22)
John Young (17)
John Johnston (59)
Columbia has 4 different faction fighting (i think)
Thats "failed" .....By failed , I mean the system or staus quo no longer works for the population , and it disintegrates into fighting .
Theres no better definition of "failed" when theres civil war
Drugs and power have made it messy - same in Ireland , rebels find it hard to retire .
FARC gave up..the dissidents now are just criminals working with narco traffickers. More than half the country voted against the peace deal and FARC got thumped when they stood in the elections..even left wing Colombians despise them in main
Well , I doubt he got knee capped for clothes .
Id reckon he was warned.
They just didnt have the time or resources to do things like that.
Maybe the store was IRA owned and had been knocked off several times - then they pick one to show an example.?
There was also IRA black market that had to be protected from competition
If he was innocent and stitched up , then that shows what the IRA were up against
Given the conditions , thats how youd expect the IRA to act
oh ok .
Stay in your lane boys
your obviously referring to the english having to go in to keep the peace... they were keeping the peace between irish and english/scottish descendants who had been given stolen land... read about ulster plantation... learn your history
PMC
Britain Vietnam not a victory.
Technically as much of the IRA and SF leadership have now joined the establishment then i think its not an IRA victory if the objective was 32 county republic
@lvan Big Nob Not just technically, they lost comprehensively and completely. Their only reason for their existence was the achievement of a united Ireland by the use of the "armed struggle", which failed totally, as it was always going to. NI is still part of the UK and that can only change via democratic means, it's status as part of the Uk is fully recognised by the Irish government and the Irish constitution no longer lays claim to it, Articles 2&3 having been removed. Armed republicanism and its' campaign of terrorism was defeated, there is no doubt about that.
And yet the norths still north, if it was britains vietnam thered still be a north and south there to, muppet...
*LATER
What ?
Armed conflict means theres something BADLY WRONG
How could it be any other way ?
Even in Brasil , where gangs have shootouts with the police is an indicator that something is badly wrong
If people are content , without grievances they WILL NOT form into an army
South Korea is a heavily militarised state with a war economy.
Different political parties are banned
Criticism of the regime or government is illegal.
Do you know anything about geopolitics ?
History ?
up the ra
biased much?
Leave Ireland to the Irish.
We will soon see brexits looming mate
Ireland belongs to the shitty EU now......
are the republicans they are talking about , are they like the conservative republicans I the USA???
If theres a section of the population that have such problems that they take up arms and fight , then that system has failed ( Ireland / columbia / cambodia / VN / El Salvador / Chile / Turkey , almost EVERY mid eastern country
Most of the time theres outside interference / outside causes.
If theres fighting - then theres something BADLY wrong
Columbia and S Korea are failed states
Columbia is the biggest recipient of US arms
Why ?
Maybe we should define "failed"
i live in Colombia..far from being a failed state...neither is South Korea..now North Korea is one in effect
It's not the micks u need 2 worried bout Ian Jarrett plenty of Irish lads fighting in Afghanistan 4 ye there s loads of English family's moving 2 Ireland getting away 4rm Islam your bn over run
Lions led by sheep
British nam
Didn't know there was any Americans living in Vietnam ?
Stupid fucking comment.
good for you who wants to belong to britan any ways ha its over run with muslims irish and proud mo charra agus erin go bragh
Britain
Ulster is British
Never was never will be
Yeah, good wind up. The Americans financing the IRA for their whole existence.
Your incorrect!! Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales, Britain is England and Wales And that's according to the act of union in 1707..no part of Ireland was included in the act of union, not then, not now and not ever so maybe before writing shyte you should examine the facts of what is British and what isn't!! Britain isn't a country by the way its a union of three nations. Also Ulster's a province in Ireland and as the six counties sit inside that province it can only be part of itself and the geographical landmass known as the island of Ireland!! Your identity is as false as your whitewashed history. I do wonder what your great great grandfather's would make of your treachery considering your protestant Presbyterian forefathers fought for Ireland against the very traitors you stand with today.. You insult your own heritage with your uneducated ignorance and your lack of historical fact. Wolfe Tone was a protestant, Henry Joy was a protestant. Douglas Hyde was a protestant, Napper Tandy was a protestant, Michael Davitt was a protestant, General Munroe was a Protestant, half of William of Oranges men were protestant and they built the Catholic churches across Ulster when William defeated James for the crown of England. It wasn't a Protestant victory as the battle wasn't about religion. Half of Williams men were Catholics many of whom were related to the protestants by blood and marriage. Your version of this event is an outrageous lie unsupported and so untruthful its not in any history book.. I'll expose your bullshit because a lie will always be a lie no matter how many times you tell it...
@@markkavanagh4457 pfffffff. corporations mate talmudic order...goes all the way back to the tribes of israel....so you can make borders and go along with the monopoly board all you like unless the people learn the true history as most of what is taught (indoctrination) is 180 degrees out. Ireland has been shafted 3 times by the talmudics...and now half of ireland isn't even true irish....talmudic settlers (ie top freemasons and those holding office) about to whack the irish with a huge carbon tax - the EU talmudics don't shower with loans for nothing. as soon as the EU took over ireland & they did take over hence lisbon treaty x 3 vote - those in ireland supporting EU are those that are currently reaping big payments. whilst the majority pick up the tab...NOT only in ireland this bankster globalist problem is all over. Immigration en mass as is happening when the eu has destroyed industry but dummied up craft/hobby industry and tourism which doesn't exist if noone has money to spend - only leads to poverty....and the immigration is just the replacement plan.
@@markkavanagh4457 britain is muslim???
Brits out
Brits in
@@leod-sigefast TUFF SHIT BRITT HA HA
Brits out 🇮🇪
FUCK YOU!
Islam in... 📣🥁..
Tosser.
BRITS OUT
📣Muzlims in..🥁
@@wor53lg50 Muslims out to fk too
@@seansouth7333 that aint what alot of your proud nationalist countrymen are saying dewn sewf in the rebublic????? Better the devil you know than the devil ye dont...
@@wor53lg50 it's the British fault for spreading this multi cultural diversity nonsense. You lot brought it here. Ireland is white aswels has been. First time anyone in Belfast saw a black man was when the Brits invaded
@@seansouth7333 blame every fukka but yourselves all you irish do...and which callender year was that invasion when we released the blackman to belfast when we invaded then??? 16th century? Earlier, later? You aint very bright are you young man, pack up slinging dope and get picketing for the future of your kids not squabbling with a likewise cultured neighbour....
Oh boo hoo I went to Ireland and the scallywags defended there country, at least the second guy had the decency to dark out his face.
scallywags..well some of them..there were always Catholics in the RUC and British Army. Plus the history of Ireland is always one of infighting ..look at the Civil War..the Free State executed more IRA men than the British
Caractacus I don’t no where ur getting ur figures mate but I’d take a another look.
@@fahandonegal which figure?
@@fahandonegal 77 official executions by the Irish Free State government, the British executed 24 IRA volunteers during the 1919-21 conflict