Were Israel Premier Tech Wrong to Pace after MVDP Crash? | Liege-Bastogne-Liege 2024
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If you increased your FTP by 30 watts in a month you were incredibly unfit. Nothing magic about that training app.
will you turn to gcn?
Happy for Bardet to still be getting results in 2024. Always has his heart on his sleeve and goes 100%
He is genuinely a very nice soul
This aged well
It’s safe to say they were racing for 2nd place before the race started.
The LR Analysis was far better than the race itself unfortunatley
I’ve realized that in the era of Merckx most cycling fans only read about the races in the newspaper, and in news articles the boring elements are often left out - so people didn’t quite see how boring the Merckx domination could be.
Your channel offers without a doubt the best cycling recaps of all youtube. Your insight on race dynamics is truly amazing compared to all the other channels. I hope you will soon get the recognition you deserve ❤
Great analysis. Re: pacing after the crash - if you are on the front you get to set the pace. If a team doesn't like it they can go to the front and set the pace themselves. If you want to take chances at the back of the group that's on you, not on the team eating wind at the front.
Remember that Israel Premier Tech was not pushing just before the crash which stopped half of peloton at 95 Kms far from the end. Usually nobody push and instead allows the peloton to recover. They took the chance because a big crash and that is not fair. Should the race be already blew up with attacks than it would have been normal but taking your chance because of a big crash so far and when the pace was increased all of the sudden it is to me absolutely unfair
@@davideamigoni6916 If it's unfair, put it in the rule book and have the race neutralized.
UAE and Israel were an unlikely alliance to see. Mathieu might be bringing peace to the Middle East!
These are the comments I want to read, nice one!!
underrated content here
Actually there is a peace agreement between Israel and uae
@@hagaiderech1765bore off!
Israel never had problems with UAE in the first place.
The other day it occurred to me that the Giro is only 2 weeks away. When I realized this, I knew there no chance in hell Pogi was losing this race.
Well, things happen. But on pure sporting merit, there is no way Pogacar is not winning the Giro.
@@arnoldhau1 well yeah, ofcourse tht is true, but if Pogi stays healthy and injury free, he could and should have already a Giro win in the and his bag,even before the summer, and the start of the TDF, and considering, and taking the Vingegaard situation and possible issues, and possible not on time recovering from his current situation and health issues, i could see Pogi having another wonderyear, with a Giro win, a TDF win, an Olympics gold medal win, a WC title win, and an il Lombardia win aswell.
@@michealissa1638Olympic gold will be really tough for Pogacar because by then, he had just ridden two Grand Tours back to back and there are riders just way better suited to the course, like MVDP and Wout. I think the Olympic situation for Pog this year is just like Glasgow last year, where the course just isn’t suited to him but he’ll try his best anyway to achieve a good result for Slovenia.
@@monsiogabar525 yeah, i completely agree with you on that, tho, i think his chance of getting an Olympic gold medal at this course is and will be very hard and difficult, i think that MVDP will get the Olympic gold medal for and of the 2024 Olympic cycling road race, i think Pog could get a podium at the Olympic road race, but i personally don't think that he will win it, i would love it ofcourse, that he does win the Olympic oad raace and surprises me, but i know, it will be very difficult at such a course they have made and got out in Paris. but what is your opinion about the this years WC race and course, isn't Pog the clear favourite/the favourite on that course, tho ? imagine Pog actually having that wonderyear i talked about, tho. i think he could and will win the Giro + TDF, and the WC aswell, i personally don't think that h will win the gold medal at the 2024 Olympics road race tho.
@@michealissa1638 Oh, I definitely agree he's the big favorite for the Worlds RR with Remco as 2nd favorite. Just think it will be too tough for MVDP and Wout.
As for the Giro-Tour, because of the unfortunate accident that happened at Itzulia, this is definitely Pog's best chance of ticking off the double. However, it will still be hard of course. It is still 42 total days of avoiding crashes and other bad luck and even if Vingegaard might not ride the Tour, Roglic and Remco are no slouch and they are still going to be really tough rivals for Pog, especially with a Giro in his legs. I'm still giving Pog a good chance, of course, of taking the Giro-Tour double.
LBL Femmes was the best race I have watched all year. Glad I was able to watch the last 40k unspoiled. Can't wait to see the LR recap as well!
Lucky you! I watched the men's but it was 1:30am in Australia and they were still waiting to show the podium presentation before switching to the women's, so I had to go to bed as I needed to wake up at 5:30am for work!
Less than 4hrs sleep!
Bardet was my dark horse pick for the win and I really didn't expect he'd podium. But second is an incredible finish.
Thank for consistently the best, succinct commentary. Others didn't even show Pogi's attack.
I found it odd that Alpecin had several riders in the front split and at no time dropped anyone back to help pace up MVDP (from what I saw), even when his group was less than 1min back.
Had me wondering too. No help for Pidcock either? FDJ dropped one rider to help, whoever.
Van der Poel had a team mate who was on the front for quite a long time by himself. Did a few more turns when FdJ starting helping, then got dropped. I think Alpecin did make the right call though. The gap was too big. Without the help of the Bahrain team car, Van der Poel's group would never have gotten back on. Alpecin would have taken too much of a risk sacrificing their riders for a small chance of bringing Van der Poel back.
maybe he communicated that he wasnt feeling that great
@@ExplorinDoranRBrown I thought it a bid odd for Alpecin as well, but the only thing that would make sense is that MVDP was on the radio and said they were okay. Pidcock was easer to explain, the still had Bernal with the front group.
How can the drafting behind a team car to close a 1 min gap go unnoticed and especially unpunished?
It's a bit more nuanced if you watch the full race footage closely. At 74.2km before the line, all the cars are held up due to the narrow road, after which they all pass to the front again (idk why, that's a bit strange from the jury) when the road opens up. At 73km the MVDP group gets behind a car (as also shown here), the Bahrain car, at the same time the convoy completely closes before/catches up to the Pidcock group. That's where the drafting starts, at that point the first group slowed down a lot already and the gap is only 22 seconds. Exact same amount of drafting for the MVDP group as the Pidcock group, certainly no difference there. The MVDP group is then behind the Bahrain car for less than 10 seconds, before the Bahrain car completely catches up to the convoy.
Edit: the remark of Patrick that the MVDP group wasn't subject to the barrage is certainly incorrect, as you can clearly see just before 74.2km, where all the cars are behind the MVDP group already. There's really no difference in the amount of drafting between the Pidcock and MVDP group. The only question is why they did undo the barrage after only a few kms.
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Was out for a ride in the region today: cold - yes, miserable - absolutely not. Pity those who did a sportive yesterday though
I was out for a ride as well. Regularly rain, snow and hail with a bit of sun in between at 2°C. I'd call that miserable. It got a lot better in the afternoon.
@@LordH3lmchen most of the race happened in the afternoon, so yeah🤷♂️
@@feedbackzaloopif you ignore the first half of the race. But you do you.
@@LordH3lmchen 2 hours don't make a half of 6,5, but you do your math
@@feedbackzaloop Boring 🥱 start at 10 a.m. The weather got a bit more stable at about 1 - 1:30 p.m.
Sam bewley on the radio giving orders to drop the hammer when they saw mvdp blocked
V good video highlights
Greatness pogacar
Thank you ...
Bardet was glass cranking the whole time when his grop went clear behind Pogi. You could see his attack coming from miles out.
Finally Bardet is back to where he was in 2022 competing for the podium at the tour. He looked good in tour of the alps too
Hey love the videos, I was wondering if you would be covering the giro? Thanks
Bardet could have won, if he didn’t have that absolute parachute of a gel wrapper sticking up for the last hour! 7:09 Seriously. Are we going to talk about this! That thing cost him at least 10 watts! Lol
Seriously though the team car should have said something to him to tuck it or lose it.
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Carapaz trying to keep up with Pog om La Redoute reminded me of Stage 8 of TdF 2021.
Still hopeful you'll do the women's race highlights recap. So curious to hear your take on the women's race, specially Canyon Sram tactics.
Me two
Still the best recaps on this platform.
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Without a doubt crème de la crème coverage. *chefs kiss*
The chasing group benefited from riding behind the team cars.
UAE had a plan to pace and they were sticking to it. They also had to keep Tadej in good position because of what happened last year, so you can't blame them. Israel however just started smashing the front, very coincidentally after the crash, just for their 1st rider to finish 15th... Sad and stupid action.
I watch the race, then I spend all day waiting for lanterne video. Perfect Sunday
*The Paret-Peintre family has more UCI points than some teams.* 🤐
Not wrong, Israel can do whatever they want but I don't think they made any friends today. On top of that it didn't get them results, quite the opposite. Teuns gets 15th and the rest of their team is outside the top 50.
So that proves the whole argument useless...
They got their chance by being at the front but eventually could not deliver. Happens every day...
A propos d'Israel- 1er Tech, on n'a pas vu Williams aujourd'hui, etais- ce un one-shot sur la Flèche Wallone ?
he would have never won fleche in regular conditions. slowest winning time on the mur de huy finish since 2003
@@franzroth2830Merci pour l'information. Il est vrai qu'il était plus soulagé d'avoir fini la course dans le froid que d'avoir gagné , vu son visage.
So happy for Romain ❤
And Pogi is just the best
Which crash?
They had one top 50 finisher because they blew up their whole team here.. and that rider was almost invisible during the whole coarse.
MVDP didn't want to race with tag
Weren't they already pacing at that particular moment?
Israel was up there but they picked up the pace and UAE started pacing after the crash
@@jimjimplus so it's UAE actually looking bad, right?
@@pauljansen1137 Racing luck, MVDP should never have been so far out of position anyway.
Eh, 3 teams (Ineos, DSM, IPT) were at the front, things weren't stretched out... (UAE third wheel) were they pacing, a bit, looks more like holding position, did they (IPT) increase their pace afterwards? yes. Did UAE go to the front to up the pace? Yes
@@pauljansen1137 They're at the front, they're entitled to dictate the pace.
I don’t think teams should wait after a crash..accelerating like it’s the Poggio though, with 100km to go, is IMO too much….
they were wrong in thinking they had one of the top 5 favourites in their roster
Israel was up there but they picked up the pace and UAE started pacing after the crash. Bad sportsmanship
kinda yes. kinda no. in my opinion. because why wait for the "enemy" you know? its part of the race. crashes happen. and this one was not a bad one either.
I disagree. mvdp should not have been where he was. he took the risk and paid the price.
Why was van der poel chilling in nirvana?
UAE were pacing all day and would have been pacing extra hard on the climbs (especially Wanne & Stockeu) to create attrition no matter what
I think in monuments/any one day race anything goes. Whole different story in a grand tour or stage race when the leader goes down.
Mvdp shouldn't be in the tail of the peloton to begin with
Couldn't feel my fingers after 20km on the sportive... this year was a hard one 😅
Oh oke... so it's prohibited for him to be in the back of the peloton to see his team car if he has troubles with his bike or something..Gotcha. Good thing we have our experts here..always leaving genius comments behind.
@@Trust-me-I-am-a-dentistpositioning is a major part of the sport
He went back to give his knee pieces and jacket to his teamcar.
@@Trust-me-I-am-a-dentistthe only reason for him to be there would be a bike problem wich he did not had, let alone at that time of the race where uae was pacing and positioning was very important due to the next climb ( the Eurosport commentators said it) but they arent experts right
Ya know, couple years ago I really was rooting against Pogi, not sure why. He seems to be a great kid, and I think especially if Jonas can’t be on form for TDF he is going to win by a lot
Stupid that cars aren't forced to pull off when giving tow to any rider
yep
From a cycling 'ability' point of view, Pogi might already be the GOAT
I agree... ride on, no need to wait for MVDP. There are too many idiotic notions that riders have to wait under certain circumstances.
The only other rider on this planet that can chase Pogi up a hill is Jonas. He makes everyone else look like a amateur. Doesn't even need to get out the saddle for more than a few pedal strokes to create a gap.
Where was MVDP on that final, decisive climb?
tadej made his first attack from 35K to go on la redoute, which is 5th climb from the finish. no one managed to follow him. mvdp only managed to make his way back to the chasing group around 5k to finish. so, to answer ur question. mvdp was no where in the decisive climb.
probably needs to train for LBL specifically, have luck on his side, one of his best days and not peak for MSR/maybe even RVV fully
@@sudsehunMVDP was pacing on every climb and came back every time after being dropped. Seemed very effective - although he had to do most of the work in chasing each time, he seemed completely in control - and it even seemed that he had something left in the tank given that easy sprint in the end
He is just too heavy for those longer steep climbs to follow Poga, especially after the extra effort to get back at the front after being held up. He needs to put up insane numbers for numerous minutes to keep up with a Poga that’s going full gas on such climbs - I think that it’s just impossible for him with his current weight and prep (heavily focused on Flanders and Roubaix) to not be dropped on these longer steep climbs by a Poga in this shape
@@Tim-K. i dn't really get why he raced lbl. he could've easily won amstel (which is still big since he's dutch). and considering that he's usually picky abt the races he races, i feel like there's an ulterior motive. my conspiracy theory brain feels like maybe he's collecting data cos this year he looks stronger than the last. just like in e3 and gent where he made unnecessary 60k solo attacks. i feel like they were preperation for the olympics cos the olympics parcour is too easy. he needs to make a long range attack.
@@sudsehun I don’t know the parcours of the olympics road race and I think he isn’t even sure if he will ride it (since he still wants to win the one on a mountainbike). I agree that if he tried harder, he could’ve won the AGR. But you must not forget that that race can be very tactical and pretty much everyone was riding against him and he was isolated (no teammates whatsoever when riders slipped away on the flat). Unless you do a crazy solo like Poga last year, when you’re MVDP or Poga, you need to do a lot of work reeling in attacks while others sit on your wheel. I think MVDP felt that it just wasn’t worth the extreme amount of effort, especially given the little chance he had, because of tactics, at AGR. Besides, he has already won it and it is no monument (which seems to be his focus, plus WC and olympics, since last year)
MVDP has been riding smarter and more conservative since last year in most races (apart from E3 and Gent Wevelgem - the latter he lost because of doing so much more work than the others), but he used to be far more wild, impatient and uncontrolled in his efforts. E.g. the AGR he won, he unnecessarily wasted a lot of energy earlier on. In the Tirreno he once did a crazy big solo in horrible conditions and completely hit the wall at the end just won, a few seconds in front of Poga. The day before his first appearance at LBL, where he finished 6th, he had done a 80+km solo to win the BinckBank tour
Pogacar is my G.O.A.T. Giro-Tour double + WC makes it greatest ever season. My GOAT I will rep Pogi until I die.
same, pal, same. Don't get me wrong I like Jonas, Wout, MdvP, Remco...I'm not the sort of fan who hates on other riders. But somehow I'm obsessed with everything this skinny Slovenian kid does.
for now pogacar is doing the perfect season, however he hasn’t won giro yet, and le tour will be even harder to get. But he might do it…
The point what really gets me is that he seems to have so much fun. He lives his dream and loves cycling. And he is able to win grand tours and win these classics. That's absolutely rare nowadays and somehow reminds of Eddie Merx.
Pogi is incredible. Did not think we would see someone like him again after the sport has changed so much.
Giro- Tour et championnat du monde a déjà été réalisé par Stephen Roche en 87.
@@onepunchbud1472Et Hinault, Bobet, Coppi et d'autres....
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Once again the women's race was more interesting
once men start riding half the speed they're currently riding and cut the racing distance by half. they'll finally catchup to the women's race.
they need to cut down tour de france from 21 days to 10 days and remove all the mountain stages so they can make it exciting like women's tdf.
@@sudsehun literally does not matter that their races are shorter. men's classic season = sky high favorite goes clear, wins by minutes. women's classic season = exciting battles literally every race.
@@franzroth2830 yes, i agree. weaker riders makes exciting races. only sanremo was fun from men's side. cos even without wva, there were still alotta strong riders. maybe ronde as well, cos it rained and we got to see mvdp rail those corners like a madman. every other races has been dull this spring. and women's races in comparison has been far more exciting to watch. especially, watching sdworx lose is my guilty pleasure. needless to say, this spring ardennes classics - amstel, fleche and lbl has been a delight.
lets hope, vollering and kopecky don't return to their old forms, where they dominated every race. then it'd be like watching mens race, only shorter, slower and stupider. just like when sdworx dominated in 2023 season.
Well I watched a race were I knew who was going to win.
To me that makes it boring to watch.
All as I know most teams would have slowed up I thought it was kinda of chicken 💩 to go full gas with half the field stuck behind a crash. If it was just a few people I had no problem with it. All as I know next time they get caught behind a crash I would go full gas.
drugs!
Nope - next question!
La femme LBL?
I don't think it was wrong, but let's also not act like we would expect a team named Israel to play fair...
Excellent comment.
Needs more likes.
real af
If we were basing it off country I’d say UAE has the worse track record
@@pythor2117 surprisingly it’s actually not a competition to see which country is more evil
Extremely boring race: unfortunately the absence of Pogacar's main opponents, those truly capable of countering him, deprived the race of any suspense...
You mean absense of MVDP and Pidcock? Although, yeah, Van Aert and Remco should have shaken it up
pogacar had the better team while bernal and pidcock looked to be in different races.
@@carlosgaspar8447pidcock in top 10 and slowed by the crash... Israel really did the dirty pushing on after the crash.
Carapaz could not hold as sprinting ruclips.net/video/8kIdu3TCOGM/видео.html
Zionisten?
This made especially UAE look very bad to me. Unneccessary and very bad sportsmanship.
Who was the poor sod in a tight group that ran into that orange pole/bollard? Getting fed up with all the obstacle course "road furniture" our asshole governments/councils are putting everywhere, you even get the bollards in the middle of cycle paths ffs...
Canal.
厳しいコース！日本人には不可能のレース！
why no womens race Highlights video?
Israel and the gulf states doing the morally wrong thing? I am shocked, shocked I tell you
All them riders who benefited from drafting them cars should be banned from the race, 2 of 3 podium riders benefited
Same pogi dominance for the giro and tour!?, it's too easy and very boring to watch.
Giro yes. Tour, it depens who will recover to be on the start line? In long climbs, Jonas is still the favorite. And I would not underestimate Roglic. But if Jonas does not make it or is not in good shape, Pogacar may very well win both. We will see. He is in fantastic shape and of course the best rider overall, but that is no news.
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MVDP crash??
I guess there was not enough space in the title:)
No support for Israel Premier Tech! Free Palestine 🇵🇸
100% curious that IPT don't cop abuse from the spectators, given the fkg war crimes committed by Israel in Gaza and the west bank.
#IsraelGenocideTech
Pog ruins another Race
First of all MVDP did NOT crash on first and 2nd instance. second he was caught up by a large group of cyclists who stopped on the middle of the road for no apparent reason. them being on their bikes standing! riders who doesn't want to move to the point of just looking to those in the ground. what are they trying to prove? gel brains that's what they are..
1:20 that 'large group of cyclists who stopped on the middle of the road for no apparent reason' actually lay down on the ground having crashed.
@@l.d.t.6327 i looked at that part frame by frame. NO, mvdp did not crash as what i said, he was blocked by the many riders who blocked the road when in fact the 4 guys who crashed was on the right side with the motorbike parked on side that caused the spill. and it took them forever before they moved..
@@dantegarcia878Riders crashes left, center and right. Riders behind the crashed riders got their bikes tangled. pro tip: play at 0.25x and remember the clip above only shows 2 cuts of the footage
mvdp crashed?
No, he was cut off by a crash right in front of him
@@feedbackzaloop yeah I know I was pointing out the title mistake
@@hutchy_4297 no mistake, you can still call it "MVDP crash" as a crash where he was involved
Boring race…
No more than last 2 years with Remco, so why are you still watching this boring race?
The Pog = Pure Class! 👍💎
MVDP did a great job to get on the podium after that crash.
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men were boring for me, video on women maybe ? pretty impressive race actually :D i got sick from trek and sdworks shits