There are just levels - was speaking to a MTB guide who cycled his local trails every day, raced at a local level but then the best in the world turned up and he showed them his local trails - he just couldn’t keep up even though they new them like the back of his hand.
another difference is that the pro can do this again and again after a little recovery, whereas an amateur has a few matches to burn before they're done for the day.
I used to work with a kid who had been on a lower tier pro team for 2-3 years then moved back home to go to school. He hadn't trained regularly for well over a year but he went out on a few group rides with the local club and right out of the chute would sit at 28mph while he was "warming up".
@@SLALOMBRUNO No it’s not he’s acting like 28mph is something. It’s quite easy for someone who rides bikes but isn’t a pro but the key here is maintaining that speed for let’s say 2hrs or so. However trying to do 28mph on a neighborhood isn’t possible especially when there are inclines and small hills, doesn’t matter how pro you think you are, you will go on average of 18-20mph as a pro however on an actual road then it’s easy to do 28mph+
Four years ago a UCI Continental pro friend of mine was training in France when he ran into Ian Boswell. They rode together toward a mountain. Once on the climb, my friend, a UCI professional, said that Boswell was able to just ride away like it was nothing half way up the climb. The guys at the World Tour are at a truly different level than your average pro.
@@cbb3062 it seems like Latin and Central,/South American riders are the only ones still trying to get away with EPO. it's so easy to get busted using that in the World Tour today.
@thhorwitz1 I think you are sadly mistaken pojicar and vingagard are obvious epo users and they are not even from south america it is very prevalent in the top 50 world tour riders. The uci has known about this for a very long time yet does very little to prevent it. It's actually very easy to get away with and difficult to catch.
@@cbb3062 I think you may have been away from the sport for a long time. EPO is a high risk minimal reward drug compared to others out there today. Jonas recorded one of the highest VO2max readings in history.
@thhorwitz1 I am very up to date with the sport and have been involved in the sport for years. Trust me if you know you know. Pojicar breaks Lance Armstrongs times on climb segments supposedly natraul. How is it possible to start a 3 week race with 50 hematocrit and end the 3 week race with 50 hematocrit without the use of peds its just not physically possible. The drug tests are very simple to beat. You cannot win the tour de france currently without the use of drugs. I hope you figure out the truth for yourself I once believed doping to be in the past but it is simply not the case.
I worked in the bike industry in the early 90's and raced at a amateur level. a very good mate of mine rode the World Cup MTB races for a major trade team and also rode for the national team on the road. Through him I met quite a few pros and rode with them, plus we had a couple pro road riders in the area. I have two memorable things, we had been training for a few hours in the rain and towards the end of this ride, there is a hill, not long but easily 10-12%, I always had to ride in the 39 and maybe 17 or 19... Warren said he was getting cold, slipped it onto the 53, prolly a 15 on the bike, got out of the saddle and literally disappeared .... Another time he had two of his team mates staying with him and we all trooped off for a ride up Mt Baker, the local mountain just over the border in Washington state. There's a series of smaller climbs then the push to the top, there were some fit guys there, but we were getting distanced on the smaller climbs, as may mate and his pals were telling jokes and laughing. The last climb is about 25 minutes to the top, and off we went .. Wasn't long before we were all fanning our bail out gears as the pros stayed in the big rings, middle of the block and telling stories... Fit beyond words
lol no he didn't... he was just out of the saddle because he was getting ready for an interval.. before he was just cruising .. do you think pro's need to show off to mere mortals?? they out there training, not ego chasing 🤦♀
Happened to me a couple of times in the past! I'm by no means a pro, but I'm seasoned and fit, and often used to pass riders a lot younger and more 'pro-looking' than I am. I can get up long hills without a problem, and steep ones without losing breath or breaking sweat. If another cyclist overtakes me, it's a red rag to a bull and my competitive instinct kicks in. I'd never been bested on leisure runs or daily commutes. Even a retired pro I went on a run with one day was surprised I could keep up with him reasonably well. Then came the day of my come-uppance! I was out on a 15-mile fitness ride, pushing the pace. I was sailing up a hill, feeling really good about myself and how fit I was... when this guy came up out of nowhere behind me and left me standing! I tried to tell myself he had a lighter bike, better gearing, etc. But he didn't. He just knew what he was doing - and his fitness was in another league entirely. It was just like in the vid. Since then, I'm much more realistic about my true abilities. I'm just an average cyclist!
Lol yeah, the only people I get passed by are people on e-bikes. I make it my mission to try and race them, even though it’s basically impossible for me to hold that speed for too long. At one point I came across a “pro” looking cyclist on a light road bike. I was stopped at a red light and he blew right past me as the light turned green. I was almost able to catch him but he just had too much of a lead… would’ve liked to race that dude.
I used to visit Mallorca to train for endurance rides back at home in the UK. When a pro cyclist goes past you sat up eating a gel you feel a little deflated to say the least. I cycled from Manchester to London in under 24 hours, 250 miles. The lead cyclist was a pro, we had six fuel stops two of them were hot meals. Those two were at 2pm and 4am, the others were water/light food. I never saw him eat anything other than gels on the bike and to say he was painfully thin would be an understatement. I’m 6’ and 73 kg. They’re different gravy.
If you want to hang onto pros, spend years of consistent zone 2 hr training. You can build power on Zwift all you want but you won't be able to hold those Watts for long without building up your endurance. Anyone can get there and a lot of pros work while they dedicate their free time to serious training and wellness.
Also being in your lounge on a bike ain’t the same as being out in the open with the wind blowing into your face slowing you down! These boys are machines. 🚴
The amateur cyclist 🚴♀️ still very good you could hear him changing down gears on that climb he still keeps a consistent pedalling motion still a fast cyclist 🚴♂️ nice 😊
I feel like you could have came out of the saddle sooner. Uses different muscles and you get more power. If the guy up front is surging you have to go when he goes or you get gapped. But easy to me to say sitting in my armchair at home 😂
I feel your pain 100%! How is it that after the climb levelled off the pro was just gone!? Whereas you, exactly like I would be, were recovering from the climb and didn't have the energy to keep pushing.
Suddenly he pushed over 800 watts (I later discovered). The real beauty is his acceleration. I couldn't believe what happened when he disappeared from my visual field within seconds 🫣
A mate of mine was climbing a hill a while ago. He’s a decent rider but a bunch came up behind him absolutely flying. They left my mate in the bloody weeds 😂 As they hurtled past in a blur he recognised Mark Cavendish. Legend.
Happened to me a while ago I was flying well I thought so till this guy came by me like he was on a motorbike I was so jealous and amazed at the same time
Well yes but also they get that because they’ve got the talent. No shame in it, there’s always someone that’ll just kick your ass and show you that even if it’s the thing you’re best at, someone else does it better.
Remove all of that and they will still dust you. They got there in the first place because of talent and skill. They are a cut above the rest at the very beginning.
@@casuallycycling9339 Maybe, maybe not. Just how we can't removing doping 100% from the pro cyclists, we never really know how much of that talent is natural.
@@M3GRSD what a way to downplay peoples’ achievements huh. Just accuse them of cheating. It’s that how you go about your life to make yourself feel better.
@@casuallycycling9339 I'm not downplaying anyone's achievements. I didn't say every cyclist dopes. I just said it's naïve to assume some didn't receive additional help to shape their talent and skill, so this notion people like you or I would get "dusted" has an asterix attached to it.
Works both ways on a hill! I was descending Teide a few years ago thinking I was Nibali when two movistar riders flew by me and were gone in seconds truly awesome
Pros are all genetically predisposed to hammer harder then non-pros. VO2 Max and lung capacity is something you can improve above baseline, but you will never be a pro level if you are not born with these outlier levels. That's fine. I have a friend who is a pro ultramarathoner who wins 100 and 250 mile races. I paced him on his winning 250 mile trail race. Unbelievable beast mode and a thing to witness. It was so next level that it was literally not possible for me to comprehend what I was witnessing. 73 hours of trail running and about 90 minutes of total sleep/rest time. Enjoy!
there’s two types of people - those who have ridden with pros and those who haven’t. once you have you understand that they are in a completely different genetic league.
The non pro is a good cyclist, good going keeping up that pace sitting in the saddle. We’ve all experienced that moment when we run out of steam and the freak of nature we are trying to hang on to just engages warp drive and disappears.
While in Girona I was finishing a climb at about 10 k an hour and a rider blew by me on the climb doing about 50 k and hour, that’s why their the best 🚴♂️😳
Amateur:- do cycling as hobby. Cycling is not his job. He has day job. Ride mostly in weekends Pro:- his only job is cycling and training and resting. No day job. Ride in weekdays too. Very focus on calories and power output
I Drive 5-10k km / year commuting so I am experienced. Have been in Lanzarote this year where Lots of pros are Training in Our Club. We went Downhill at full Speed when a mid 20y Woman overtook us; she was waaaaay faster than us. She was probably a pro and there was a huge differnce to a Normal Rider Like i am
No matter how good your bike is, always remember, the worst part of it is you. So just keep on grinding and be the best you can be. At the end of the day, it is a human powered vehicle. Just have a good mindset.
Yep. The people who reach the top of any sport have to be physically gifted but also mentally tough. I love riding but could never put in the time and effort these top cyclist do. Even if I was being paid, I don’t have what it takes to sacrifice that much of my life towards one goal. That’s probably why I’m not exceptional at anything.
I waited for the 'pro' guy to ride beside the 'amateur' and start a convo like: -Hey, nice warm-up huh? -..Warm-up?? -Ok, let's gooo And he's nowhere to be seen in a sec
Yes. Like a an Olympic runner is faster than a club runner. That's the job and at pro level you've sorted out the chancers/no hopers from those who can
You did well and you don’t know if he was in an intervall. They can not push 450w for 2h. I have a very strong friend with an FTP of 400w. He did a Race in Zwift days ago in London and he pushed very hard for 2 hours average 348w. I really don’t know how he did that. I would definitely die with my 287w FTP.
I was riding home a cyclist come past me fast said morning.i thought he can't keep that up so sprinted after him looked up he was a distant sight his mate pulled up laughing at my effort and sad don't feel bad thats conner swift
Depends on a lot of factors. No1. How many hours does the Amateur train per week. If you train 15+ I recon you'd be close to a lot of pros in ability. No2 Weight is a big factor, you need to be about 10% fat.
It’s very difficult to train like pro cyclist if your earning is not coming from cycling. After working, you are exhausted and it will be difficult to put that much effort in cycling during weekdays. Only training day will be weekends. So if you put hard work during weekends you might be able to complete with pros.
When the road starts slanting upwards on longer sections are where the separations begin. Less draft and importance of w/kg, combined with true aerobic ability all come into play. And don't think the pro has to be a climber or time trialist either. Even a pro class "sprinter" will devastate an amateur on a steady climb.
Just be grateful you don't have potholes in your cycle lanes! Is that guy actually a pro? Loads of cyclists I see like to look the part but are just average cyclists. Anyway, the main thing is to enjoy your cycling not be chasing times.
This was a good lesson on what gears you need to be on when climbing and using that gear as an escape gear after the climb gets a flat area. This was a perfect escape, notice he did not shift up to an easier gear to climb, he saddle rode up the hill knowing the flat area was up ahead, this is why after the climb he did not shift any gears, just sat down and rode the flatter section up. The amateur rider was spinning too much and on the wrong gears on that climb, should of got off the saddle and rode his tail all the way to the flat top section using him to shield the wind. Bike tech of course is important, you don't buy a $10,000 road bike for looks, it's to get you leverage. I think you could of hanged on but completely wrong gears here.
@@thebikewhisperer You did your best here, that rider has a lot of power on his lower cadence and on that climb he does not shift at all from getting out of the bike all the way up to that flat section. That's not an amateur that's a seasoned rider who has tons of training on lower cadence gears.
If I trained all day I'd win the Tour... NOT. If I bought nicer bike parts? NOPE. Nicer bike? NOPE. Coach? NOPE. Oh....... lose weight? NOPE. Oh..... OK, I'll just train all day and be as good as LeBron!!!! NOPE!!!!!
Do you think pros ever get annoyed when people sit on them, must happen all the time or do you think they enjoy people trying to hold on as long as possible
Good question. I reckon there are individual differences, just like amateur cyclists. Some are annoyed, whereas others appreciate the company. I usually leave a reasonable distance between us and look for subtle signs of approval or irritation. If the latter, I attack! Kidding :D I slow down and give them their privacy back.
There's this something happened to me while commuting. I used to commute 3x a week to work 50k, 50k, 40k. And I experienced lots of things too. There's a cervé s5 guy castelli clothing high end all in. Mine is alu 9speed sora pants backpack winter jacket. He drafted on me for more than 15 mins at 35kmh to 40kmh and suddenly he attacked so I followed and drafted not even a 5 mins and he always looks at me and 3x he did spit it went to my glasses and blew an electrolytes from his bottle like he was telling don't draft. So I overtakes and left him behind and he got dropped my nose was runny but i didn't blew as a RESPECT. When I got home I am out of gas emptied 0 balance.😆 and there's some guys would sign you to draft them, to repay them I switch for 10mins maximum as it is hard with big backpack. Well, I just wanna share though. Now I am a fatman who runs 30kph at 190bpm 😆
So true . i was riding my tuned e bike about 30kph and got passed by a pro rider doing training . it was about 4 km to my house when he passed me and before i could finish my ride he was already on the way back passing me going the opposite direction . he smiled and giggled a bit at my pathetic lack of fitness .
First of all when he came up you where in the wrong gear I was watching your cadence and it was too high if you would of been in a stronger gear he wouldn’t of drop you remember cycling is about getting used to and conquering pain but good job keep riding you will be at that level too 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Nobody thinks they could go head to head with a 7 foot pro NBA player, that would be pure ego. Normal riders can't keep up with a pro. Sorry, just the truth.
Writing this on the last day of the Giro 2024 and Poggy has made the peloton look slow according to Thomas. Seems there’s yet another level above the 1%
Average Tour De France speed for top cyclists - 25mph/40kph. And that's AVERAGE. I can go out for a 15 mile 'sprint' and average 15mph. I am 60, but still, it is mind - boggling.
No expert here but I believe if you practice standing up on the pedals more and for longer it will make a difference. I think you waited too long to stand up.
Pedaling while standing or sitting on a bike will not affect the speed of the hill. This is just a way to unload or load smaller muscle groups. A lighter rider will find it easier to pedal while standing than a heavier rider. In any case, standing pedaling will not increase your FTP in any way, and your vo2max.
you should not pedal out of seat to catch him because it is used when you have spare power not when you are on end of power, i would stayed in seat and kept max continuous power, you went into red and that was game over for next 2-5 minutes
@@TheNewbiedrummer read between the lines. people who buy those kind of bikes often aren't the fittest amateurs. "almost no belly" tells me you are not the fittest nor the most ambitious which comfirms my argument. the wallet is more ambitious than the rider.
@@TheNewbiedrummer stfu, I see what club/amateur racers ride out on the road, great and expensive bikes but still not the 10k+€ bikes with enves or lightweights, those are mostly ridden by less fit or even fattish riders. Notice I wrote "mostly" or "often". Learn to read! Also, ambitious and winning amateur riders are often sponsored anyways, they get discounts and don't pay the boutique price. Enjoy your bike!
sometimes in my club ride the local world tour rider Harrison Wood joins as it was his old club, he has an insane ftp and can do a sub 19 10 mile tt . Although I'd be able to beat him and a lot of other world tour climbers in a sprint / 1 min effort.
@Elonif I guess none of you understand sarcasm... Of course plenty of amateurs could beat plenty of pros in a sprint. The OP was stating the obvious which was why I was sarcastically suggesting that they would be offered a pro contract. But thank you for ruining the joke
I was going to say that you were doing exceptionally well holding on, then the pro said “See ya later” and was gone. It’s amazing watching people that have mastered a craft next to normal people
Amateur has daytime job. Pro’s daytime job is training
I guess I am going to write a note to my boss: "you are the reason why I am not a pro cyclist" 😑
@@thebikewhispererlol
*a wild messenger has appeared*
There are just levels - was speaking to a MTB guide who cycled his local trails every day, raced at a local level but then the best in the world turned up and he showed them his local trails - he just couldn’t keep up even though they new them like the back of his hand.
Co2 max has a huge genetic component. No amount of training will get a genetically average person to a pro level.
You still did well there. Don't be too hard on yourself. You're out there biking, getting fitter and faster. Enjoy what you've got...
Yeah, absolutely. I wish I could climb like the "amateur" in this video!
@@davepassey6276 At the moment I'm glad to get up a hill. I'll worry about the speed later 😜
another difference is that the pro can do this again and again after a little recovery, whereas an amateur has a few matches to burn before they're done for the day.
Pros prepare their recover while riding by eating 100 to 120 grams of carbs per hour
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I used to work with a kid who had been on a lower tier pro team for 2-3 years then moved back home to go to school. He hadn't trained regularly for well over a year but he went out on a few group rides with the local club and right out of the chute would sit at 28mph while he was "warming up".
@elonif4125 true dat
Exactly. The genetic component is HUGE
28mph must be on a flat road can’t do that on a neighborhood with certain inclines and small hills
@@klopcodez that is for us normal humans 😉
@@SLALOMBRUNO No it’s not he’s acting like 28mph is something. It’s quite easy for someone who rides bikes but isn’t a pro but the key here is maintaining that speed for let’s say 2hrs or so. However trying to do 28mph on a neighborhood isn’t possible especially when there are inclines and small hills, doesn’t matter how pro you think you are, you will go on average of 18-20mph as a pro however on an actual road then it’s easy to do 28mph+
Four years ago a UCI Continental pro friend of mine was training in France when he ran into Ian Boswell. They rode together toward a mountain. Once on the climb, my friend, a UCI professional, said that Boswell was able to just ride away like it was nothing half way up the climb. The guys at the World Tour are at a truly different level than your average pro.
The world tour guys are on epo atleast a decent amount of them. Im sure if tge local pro was on the same supplements they could keep up better
@@cbb3062 it seems like Latin and Central,/South American riders are the only ones still trying to get away with EPO. it's so easy to get busted using that in the World Tour today.
@thhorwitz1 I think you are sadly mistaken pojicar and vingagard are obvious epo users and they are not even from south america it is very prevalent in the top 50 world tour riders. The uci has known about this for a very long time yet does very little to prevent it. It's actually very easy to get away with and difficult to catch.
@@cbb3062 I think you may have been away from the sport for a long time. EPO is a high risk minimal reward drug compared to others out there today. Jonas recorded one of the highest VO2max readings in history.
@thhorwitz1 I am very up to date with the sport and have been involved in the sport for years. Trust me if you know you know. Pojicar breaks Lance Armstrongs times on climb segments supposedly natraul. How is it possible to start a 3 week race with 50 hematocrit and end the 3 week race with 50 hematocrit without the use of peds its just not physically possible. The drug tests are very simple to beat. You cannot win the tour de france currently without the use of drugs. I hope you figure out the truth for yourself I once believed doping to be in the past but it is simply not the case.
I worked in the bike industry in the early 90's and raced at a amateur level. a very good mate of mine rode the World Cup MTB races for a major trade team and also rode for the national team on the road. Through him I met quite a few pros and rode with them, plus we had a couple pro road riders in the area. I have two memorable things, we had been training for a few hours in the rain and towards the end of this ride, there is a hill, not long but easily 10-12%, I always had to ride in the 39 and maybe 17 or 19... Warren said he was getting cold, slipped it onto the 53, prolly a 15 on the bike, got out of the saddle and literally disappeared .... Another time he had two of his team mates staying with him and we all trooped off for a ride up Mt Baker, the local mountain just over the border in Washington state. There's a series of smaller climbs then the push to the top, there were some fit guys there, but we were getting distanced on the smaller climbs, as may mate and his pals were telling jokes and laughing. The last climb is about 25 minutes to the top, and off we went .. Wasn't long before we were all fanning our bail out gears as the pros stayed in the big rings, middle of the block and telling stories... Fit beyond words
hahaha :56 he looks over his shoulder and says "bye". Great video - nothing to be ashamed of at all!
lol no he didn't... he was just out of the saddle because he was getting ready for an interval.. before he was just cruising .. do you think pro's need to show off to mere mortals?? they out there training, not ego chasing 🤦♀
@@gygabytes yes, yes I do.
@@mplafferty good for you
Chapeau ! I remember Mark Cavendish was asked how an amateur would do in the peloton and he said an amateur would not last through the neutral zone 😮
Cold 😂😂😂😂
This is perfect for all non-pro riders! Sit back, ride slow and enjoy the view.
Happened to me a couple of times in the past! I'm by no means a pro, but I'm seasoned and fit, and often used to pass riders a lot younger and more 'pro-looking' than I am. I can get up long hills without a problem, and steep ones without losing breath or breaking sweat. If another cyclist overtakes me, it's a red rag to a bull and my competitive instinct kicks in. I'd never been bested on leisure runs or daily commutes. Even a retired pro I went on a run with one day was surprised I could keep up with him reasonably well. Then came the day of my come-uppance! I was out on a 15-mile fitness ride, pushing the pace. I was sailing up a hill, feeling really good about myself and how fit I was... when this guy came up out of nowhere behind me and left me standing! I tried to tell myself he had a lighter bike, better gearing, etc. But he didn't. He just knew what he was doing - and his fitness was in another league entirely. It was just like in the vid. Since then, I'm much more realistic about my true abilities. I'm just an average cyclist!
Also bodyweight is a huge part. You could pedaling the same amount of watts, but still be slower due to your weight. Even 1kg makes a big difference.
Lol yeah, the only people I get passed by are people on e-bikes. I make it my mission to try and race them, even though it’s basically impossible for me to hold that speed for too long.
At one point I came across a “pro” looking cyclist on a light road bike. I was stopped at a red light and he blew right past me as the light turned green. I was almost able to catch him but he just had too much of a lead… would’ve liked to race that dude.
I used to visit Mallorca to train for endurance rides back at home in the UK. When a pro cyclist goes past you sat up eating a gel you feel a little deflated to say the least. I cycled from Manchester to London in under 24 hours, 250 miles. The lead cyclist was a pro, we had six fuel stops two of them were hot meals. Those two were at 2pm and 4am, the others were water/light food. I never saw him eat anything other than gels on the bike and to say he was painfully thin would be an understatement. I’m 6’ and 73 kg. They’re different gravy.
Great video, thanks for posting. Amazing how he just took off.
Hahaha I like how you tried to challenge him. Luckily for me I don't even try since mine is a MTB for cross country with wide tires.
Same here, its soo tough for me to keep 15 km/hr speed on 500m incline
and the road bike guy was talking while climbing the same road like its nothing
You shouldn’t even be on the road then. 🤡
I am afraid he was just doing some intervals training.
If you want to hang onto pros, spend years of consistent zone 2 hr training. You can build power on Zwift all you want but you won't be able to hold those Watts for long without building up your endurance. Anyone can get there and a lot of pros work while they dedicate their free time to serious training and wellness.
Also being in your lounge on a bike ain’t the same as being out in the open with the wind blowing into your face slowing you down! These boys are machines. 🚴
@@KOL630 have you heard of a power data. 450 watts are 450 watts, no matter, indoors or with a headwind. Speed is irrelevant, power to weight ratio IS
No, not anyone. If you don’t have the genes you can’t. Period. That level of ability is not trainable for the average person.
@@KOL630 Yeah, that Jay Vine guy is horrible.😄
@@methylmercury power to weight does sod all on the flat
you were part of his training,
The amateur cyclist 🚴♀️ still very good you could hear him changing down gears on that climb he still keeps a consistent pedalling motion still a fast cyclist 🚴♂️ nice 😊
I feel like you could have came out of the saddle sooner. Uses different muscles and you get more power. If the guy up front is surging you have to go when he goes or you get gapped. But easy to me to say sitting in my armchair at home 😂
Thanks for the feedback. I will try it next time 😛
@Cycling God elite comment.
that's a good point.
it looks like you drive some fancy 200hp car and then comes gtr with 550hp
I feel your pain 100%! How is it that after the climb levelled off the pro was just gone!? Whereas you, exactly like I would be, were recovering from the climb and didn't have the energy to keep pushing.
Suddenly he pushed over 800 watts (I later discovered). The real beauty is his acceleration. I couldn't believe what happened when he disappeared from my visual field within seconds 🫣
Drugs mate
@@TheKevzx6r 😂
I think he sprinted to get away from you so it's not all that bad.
This.
A mate of mine was climbing a hill a while ago. He’s a decent rider but a bunch came up behind him absolutely flying. They left my mate in the bloody weeds 😂
As they hurtled past in a blur he recognised Mark Cavendish. Legend.
Happened to me a while ago I was flying well I thought so till this guy came by me like he was on a motorbike I was so jealous and amazed at the same time
They get the best kit for free, best bikes, free maintenance, and their job is to just train all day -- they better be in a different league....
Well yes but also they get that because they’ve got the talent. No shame in it, there’s always someone that’ll just kick your ass and show you that even if it’s the thing you’re best at, someone else does it better.
Remove all of that and they will still dust you. They got there in the first place because of talent and skill. They are a cut above the rest at the very beginning.
@@casuallycycling9339 Maybe, maybe not. Just how we can't removing doping 100% from the pro cyclists, we never really know how much of that talent is natural.
@@M3GRSD what a way to downplay peoples’ achievements huh. Just accuse them of cheating. It’s that how you go about your life to make yourself feel better.
@@casuallycycling9339 I'm not downplaying anyone's achievements. I didn't say every cyclist dopes. I just said it's naïve to assume some didn't receive additional help to shape their talent and skill, so this notion people like you or I would get "dusted" has an asterix attached to it.
That wasn't a pro, that was me.
For a while I was wondering which rider was the pro! Well done!
Dank voor het delen! Gedeelde smart is halve smart 😅
Works both ways on a hill! I was descending Teide a few years ago thinking I was Nibali when two movistar riders flew by me and were gone in seconds truly awesome
I imagine Andrew Feather watching this and laughing at the title of the video. :D
Haha. Good point :D
And his open cycling jacket flapping in the wind......
So nonchalant and carefree! I’d put a stick into his spokes hahaha (I am joking).
Fair play to ya dude - you weren't hanging around!
Looks like me getting passed by an e-bike 🤣
Cycle is fun if you ride for the joy of enjoying the outdoors, not for the exercise.
🧬 genetics
Some people are gifted
That said, the guy up front was relaxed and super fluid in his movement from head to toe.
Pros are all genetically predisposed to hammer harder then non-pros. VO2 Max and lung capacity is something you can improve above baseline, but you will never be a pro level if you are not born with these outlier levels. That's fine. I have a friend who is a pro ultramarathoner who wins 100 and 250 mile races. I paced him on his winning 250 mile trail race. Unbelievable beast mode and a thing to witness. It was so next level that it was literally not possible for me to comprehend what I was witnessing. 73 hours of trail running and about 90 minutes of total sleep/rest time. Enjoy!
there’s two types of people - those who have ridden with pros and those who haven’t. once you have you understand that they are in a completely different genetic league.
Story of my cycling career!
The non pro is a good cyclist, good going keeping up that pace sitting in the saddle.
We’ve all experienced that moment when we run out of steam and the freak of nature we are trying to hang on to just engages warp drive and disappears.
My lungs are burning.
Well still better than when I tried to follow a national MTB Marathon champion as a 15 year old. Had to stop, fainted.
Dude shifted 3 more gears at the end 😅😅
While in Girona I was finishing a climb at about 10 k an hour and a rider blew by me on the climb doing about 50 k and hour, that’s why their the best 🚴♂️😳
Funny how I had similar experience exactly in the Netherlands hahahaha, was definitely like: "omg" at that time
Amateur:- do cycling as hobby. Cycling is not his job. He has day job. Ride mostly in weekends
Pro:- his only job is cycling and training and resting. No day job. Ride in weekdays too. Very focus on calories and power output
I Drive 5-10k km / year commuting so I am experienced. Have been in Lanzarote this year where Lots of pros are Training in Our Club. We went Downhill at full Speed when a mid 20y Woman overtook us; she was waaaaay faster than us. She was probably a pro and there was a huge differnce to a Normal Rider Like i am
his socks game is also on a different level to most amateur riders
The whole look is built around his boots. Too much fashion bullshit in cycling now.
The pro put on the afterburners there towards the end while you're huffing and puffing. That's why there are pros for a reason 😎
This must be the POV of most Pro Tour cyclists when Pogacar attacks a climb
Oooof. It is so humbling when that happens.
No matter how good your bike is, always remember, the worst part of it is you. So just keep on grinding and be the best you can be. At the end of the day, it is a human powered vehicle. Just have a good mindset.
Yep. The people who reach the top of any sport have to be physically gifted but also mentally tough. I love riding but could never put in the time and effort these top cyclist do. Even if I was being paid, I don’t have what it takes to sacrifice that much of my life towards one goal. That’s probably why I’m not exceptional at anything.
Your zone four equals his zone two, dw, happens to me too!
I waited for the 'pro' guy to ride beside the 'amateur' and start a convo like:
-Hey, nice warm-up huh?
-..Warm-up??
-Ok, let's gooo
And he's nowhere to be seen in a sec
Yes. Like a an Olympic runner is faster than a club runner. That's the job and at pro level you've sorted out the chancers/no hopers from those who can
it’s always humbling to get dropped like that, isn’t it?
You did well and you don’t know if he was in an intervall. They can not push 450w for 2h. I have a very strong friend with an FTP of 400w. He did a Race in Zwift days ago in London and he pushed very hard for 2 hours average 348w. I really don’t know how he did that. I would definitely die with my 287w FTP.
That's me trying to stay with our "C" group lol
The PRO: I could do this all day long (and do)
Ha, he goes up 3 gears and the pro, just pulls away, best to stay humble!:)
I was riding home a cyclist come past me fast said morning.i thought he can't keep that up so sprinted after him looked up he was a distant sight his mate pulled up laughing at my effort and sad don't feel bad thats conner swift
Never do it to compare, do it if you enjoy it.
At like 0:55 i start swearing and cursing at myself and the guy 😂🎉
Depends on a lot of factors. No1. How many hours does the Amateur train per week. If you train 15+ I recon you'd be close to a lot of pros in ability. No2 Weight is a big factor, you need to be about 10% fat.
It’s very difficult to train like pro cyclist if your earning is not coming from cycling. After working, you are exhausted and it will be difficult to put that much effort in cycling during weekdays. Only training day will be weekends. So if you put hard work during weekends you might be able to complete with pros.
thanks captain obvious
Pros are built diff. Better ability to oxygenate, hearts more efficient, muscles better, everything is genetically better
When the road starts slanting upwards on longer sections are where the separations begin. Less draft and importance of w/kg, combined with true aerobic ability all come into play. And don't think the pro has to be a climber or time trialist either. Even a pro class "sprinter" will devastate an amateur on a steady climb.
Amateur or Pro. Doesn’t matter if you have the legs.
I love finding fast roadies cause I draft off them
I thought you were going to have a heart attack. I guess it’s back to the gym again 😄
Certainly a heartache 😜
Just be grateful you don't have potholes in your cycle lanes!
Is that guy actually a pro? Loads of cyclists I see like to look the part but are just average cyclists. Anyway, the main thing is to enjoy your cycling not be chasing times.
the way he rode, and the speed... that would be an amazing amateur lol
Id been procyklist and the amoung of km in my legs on february month was ridicoulous.I remember compared my moms car km with mine😂
This was a good lesson on what gears you need to be on when climbing and using that gear as an escape gear after the climb gets a flat area. This was a perfect escape, notice he did not shift up to an easier gear to climb, he saddle rode up the hill knowing the flat area was up ahead, this is why after the climb he did not shift any gears, just sat down and rode the flatter section up. The amateur rider was spinning too much and on the wrong gears on that climb, should of got off the saddle and rode his tail all the way to the flat top section using him to shield the wind. Bike tech of course is important, you don't buy a $10,000 road bike for looks, it's to get you leverage. I think you could of hanged on but completely wrong gears here.
Thanks for the analysis. I shall try your method next time 😜
@@thebikewhisperer You did your best here, that rider has a lot of power on his lower cadence and on that climb he does not shift at all from getting out of the bike all the way up to that flat section. That's not an amateur that's a seasoned rider who has tons of training on lower cadence gears.
If I trained all day I'd win the Tour... NOT. If I bought nicer bike parts? NOPE. Nicer bike? NOPE. Coach? NOPE. Oh....... lose weight? NOPE. Oh..... OK, I'll just train all day and be as good as LeBron!!!! NOPE!!!!!
Limburg?
Do you think pros ever get annoyed when people sit on them, must happen all the time or do you think they enjoy people trying to hold on as long as possible
Good question. I reckon there are individual differences, just like amateur cyclists. Some are annoyed, whereas others appreciate the company. I usually leave a reasonable distance between us and look for subtle signs of approval or irritation. If the latter, I attack! Kidding :D I slow down and give them their privacy back.
There's this something happened to me while commuting. I used to commute 3x a week to work 50k, 50k, 40k. And I experienced lots of things too. There's a cervé s5 guy castelli clothing high end all in. Mine is alu 9speed sora pants backpack winter jacket. He drafted on me for more than 15 mins at 35kmh to 40kmh and suddenly he attacked so I followed and drafted not even a 5 mins and he always looks at me and 3x he did spit it went to my glasses and blew an electrolytes from his bottle like he was telling don't draft. So I overtakes and left him behind and he got dropped my nose was runny but i didn't blew as a RESPECT. When I got home I am out of gas emptied 0 balance.😆 and there's some guys would sign you to draft them, to repay them I switch for 10mins maximum as it is hard with big backpack. Well, I just wanna share though. Now I am a fatman who runs 30kph at 190bpm 😆
So true . i was riding my tuned e bike about 30kph and got passed by a pro rider doing training . it was about 4 km to my house when he passed me and before i could finish my ride he was already on the way back passing me going the opposite direction . he smiled and giggled a bit at my pathetic lack of fitness .
First of all when he came up you where in the wrong gear I was watching your cadence and it was too high if you would of been in a stronger gear he wouldn’t of drop you remember cycling is about getting used to and conquering pain but good job keep riding you will be at that level too 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Nobody thinks they could go head to head with a 7 foot pro NBA player, that would be pure ego. Normal riders can't keep up with a pro. Sorry, just the truth.
Getting dropped is the worst. At least it was done by a pro. No shame there!
Writing this on the last day of the Giro 2024 and Poggy has made the peloton look slow according to Thomas. Seems there’s yet another level above the 1%
He’s not from this world 👽
Looks Like the loorberg :)
It sure is 😜
How do you record like that was gear?
Action camera + chest strap.
...And he was never seen again.
That’s funny how we amateurs think we can beat the professionals.
I am amateur
Junge, dat liegt nur am Trikot! 😅
Average Tour De France speed for top cyclists - 25mph/40kph. And that's AVERAGE. I can go out for a 15 mile 'sprint' and average 15mph. I am 60, but still, it is mind - boggling.
I love trying to keep up with pros. Keeps me motivated.. and nicely sweaty when just pedalling to a night out. xD
Same here!
Nice work anyways!!
I just cant believe how you hold your handlebars 😀! Enjoy riding!
No expert here but I believe if you practice standing up on the pedals more and for longer it will make a difference. I think you waited too long to stand up.
I agree with you 🙂
Pedaling while standing or sitting on a bike will not affect the speed of the hill. This is just a way to unload or load smaller muscle groups. A lighter rider will find it easier to pedal while standing than a heavier rider. In any case, standing pedaling will not increase your FTP in any way, and your vo2max.
Soon as he's gone he's gone - you're blowing up more by increasing the power to catch
you should not pedal out of seat to catch him because it is used when you have spare power not when you are on end of power, i would stayed in seat and kept max continuous power, you went into red and that was game over for next 2-5 minutes
The joints and bones line up to put the muscles in a strong position so the power goes in a good direction with less wastage.
lol wtf are you talking about?
Good shit 👊
Until around like 0:52 I was like "ok, but which one is the pro", then it became pretty obvious.
yeah the pro league, ha. Thanks for this neat little clip
Glad you enjoyed it! New content coming soon.
You can't tell how steep the climb is nor how fast you are going.So it's hard to tell whether he is a "Pro" or just better Amateur than you.
people who can afford these kind of bikes and do buy them usually have hairy legs and a belly. so
that was a pro.
@@1afterthep I have almost no belly, no hairy legs and own a pinarello f10. I'm still an amateur with a good bike :)
@@TheNewbiedrummer read between the lines. people who buy those kind of bikes often aren't the fittest amateurs. "almost no belly" tells me you are not the fittest nor the most ambitious which comfirms my argument. the wallet is more ambitious than the rider.
@@1afterthep Your ignorance is on display.
You know nothing about people yet you think you can afford to be presumptuous?
@@TheNewbiedrummer stfu, I see what club/amateur racers ride out on the road, great and expensive bikes but still not the 10k+€ bikes with enves or lightweights, those are mostly ridden by less fit or even fattish riders. Notice I wrote "mostly" or "often". Learn to read! Also, ambitious and winning amateur riders are often sponsored anyways, they get discounts and don't pay the boutique price. Enjoy your bike!
Pro will do a 100 mile stage at average speed of 25+MPH, and it's just another day for them.
sometimes in my club ride the local world tour rider Harrison Wood joins as it was his old club, he has an insane ftp and can do a sub 19 10 mile tt . Although I'd be able to beat him and a lot of other world tour climbers in a sprint / 1 min effort.
Check your emails pal, I'd say Rod Ellingworth is bound to send you a contract offer any minute now
@@Berries2512 bruh the average cat 2 racer could beat him and riders like egan bernal, Sergio higuita and Jonas in a sprint
@@cornishalps9870 *holds up sarcasm sign*
@Elonif I guess none of you understand sarcasm...
Of course plenty of amateurs could beat plenty of pros in a sprint. The OP was stating the obvious which was why I was sarcastically suggesting that they would be offered a pro contract.
But thank you for ruining the joke
Yeah and Im sure I could bench press more than Kipchoge, whats you point....
And he would be dropped if he was following a World Tour Pro
I was going to say that you were doing exceptionally well holding on, then the pro said “See ya later” and was gone.
It’s amazing watching people that have mastered a craft next to normal people
You'll get him next time! Ha ha... :)