It's been about thirty years since I've done this climb. It was about the only road bike climb I've ever struggled with rear wheel traction on, especially since the surface is often wet, and I had to zig zag the steepest parts. Fun video, thanks for posting.
What a great video - hope to see more of Jackson on your channel! Chemistry is great and he's clearly strong both with his abilities and knowledge. Jackson actually did my bike fit a couple years ago, and inspired me to really elevate my cycling - genuinely a great guy :)
I love how Asians name things in English. When I was in Seoul, some of the shop names were “16oz Coffee”, “20oz Coffee”, and “32cm Ice Cream”. Then there was “A Beef Intestines Story”, “Self Barbecue”, and “Man Love Dog”.
Please don't buy a Eurobike if you're on a budget, you can get so much more second hand for the same money. They shouldn't be allowed to put bike in their name....
I used to have that mindset too, but I actually think my fitness improved when I got an expensive bike because the gears go higher and also I'm now more stoked about riding on long bike paths, so I do it more often, whereas long distance riding used to be not nearly as fun on a budget bike. There's something really irritating about people passing you while giving way less effort than you just becausse they have better bikes than you. It made me feel really discouraged, and that feeling can ruin a workout.
Thanks for the video, can you share the segment details or a link? I searched segments on Strava and found the hill on Google maps, but couldn't find a segment that appeared to match. I'd love to give it a try with some friends.
Fun video, but I feel like I missed something. What was the point in having the climber on a 36 pound bike? Seems like everything that happened after that was, if not irrelevant, at least predictable. On a 7kg bike, the climber still wins handily, even with a dropped chain. I have clearly misunderstood something.
If you've never ridden a bike with those cheap bladed aluminium wheels, you wouldn't believe the amount of flex (or how heavy they are). It feels like you're going backwards on the flat, let alone uphill.
When you drop a vchain you don't have to stop. Overshoot in the opposite. Direction where the chain was dropped. Gently pedal until the chain ring picks up the train. You can practice this on your trainer.
Great example of “its not the bike but the athlete” so train hard forget about the marginal gains and spending unnecessary to make you 2-3 watts faster.
Insane power from Jackson nearly 400watts for 11 mins, very rough maths total train weight 96kg playing your 85kg. I do love my ulterga 52-36 11-34 but I can't produce 400 watts for 10 mins
36 pounds?? I don't think my grandmother's balloon-tyre 3-speed Raleigh from the 1930s weighed that much, even with the steel rack, fenders, and full wrap-around chain-guard included.
It's the aero look with the cheap materials. You get away with all the aero on an expensive bike because they use expensive materials to reduce the weight, not so on a Eurobike.
AWESOME VIDEO!🔥🔥🔥 my only 2çent feedback is you guys should have done a fair amount of rest, have another go and SWITCHED BIKES☺️ and we’ll see how different the outcome would be! 😉 Other than that it was Spectacular !!
Crazy power and fitness. I found a local 500m climb that looks like an exponential curve, maxing at 18%, on my ~32lb dual sus MTB with 32-46 gearing, and I almost had a heart attack by the end of it. I’m interested to try it on my ~19lb road bike with 34-34 gearing and see if the lighter weight but harder gearing can see me up it. I don’t like the thought of having to unclip on such a steep segment if I fail!!!
They are also available here on Amazon but with a different name. Curious why they hint at Europe for selling in the US. It’s not like the Europe version is called chinabike or usabike
@@dorseykindler9544 I have! Although I only made it about a mile away from the top because there was too much snow on the road. (I road it back in February when NorCal randomly got snow at low elevations)
mix canyon is a steep ride..outside vacaville ca.. starts out soft and easy.. then it get hard.. in a few corners, you come around them.. and is so steep you think your face will hit the pavement
Lol! I couldn't count the number of times I missed the break and then bridged up, but I caught the breakaway just at the bottom of a climb. I'm sure you know how that ends!
Two climbs of note: Mix Canyon off Pleasant Valley Road in Vacaville area and Gate's Canyon not far from that. Give those two a ride with another climber. Last mile are both ugly. Coming down those hills are worse than the climb. Bring a disc brake road bike. Awesome Video.
I know exactly how that feels climbing with the cheap heavy bike. I'm climbing bridge twice a week and need about 15km from home to that bridge before i can climb it 😂
Jeff, see the reply to my previous question/post. Looks like the spambots have been busy and are offering up your TCR to me as a new ride:) I'm not sure if you see all these replies or if you have a way to blacklist them. They even used the NC logo on their spoof site with a tiny black at the top.
Maybe I'm missing it -- where is the link to the actual ride route? I just see a Strava link to Jeff's account but no links there to this ride. THanks.
My road bike is aluminum frame with carbon fork, it is quite stiff I barely feel any flex when going uphill out of the saddle and putting down the watts.
I live in Colombia and we actually don't have asphalted hills this steep - I think it is because, while we have cyclists who could climb them (not me), we have no motor vehicles that could. Perhaps add some kgs and km conversions for your international subscribers.
@@dannyromero1583 Muchas qué? Si refieres a colinas, la Sabana de Bogotá es una antigua laguna rellena - si no es plana, no es parte de la sabana. Las subidas más duras de Colombia, como en Apia o Ipiales, son sin pavimiento o de concreto, nunca asfaltadas.
@@dannyromero1583 Ah, tranquilo, no entendiste lo que escribí. Dije que en subidas mayores (>15% por ejemplo) no solemos usar asfalto en Colombia, sino concreto
So I guess the question would be that based on your physical makeup (your strengths as a sprinter) would a climbing specific training plan ever get you to a point that you could beat a trained climber (his physical strengths) climbing? I am a sprinter but I live in CO and don't race crits anymore. On longer group ride or gravel races that tend to have elevation gain, should my focus be on trying to become the best "climber" I can and hope I can hang on for the finish? Or go back to crits?
I guess the question would be A. Are your W/kg comparative to the people you're riding with. And if so B. Historically have you dedicated time to specifically training Z4/5 systems in order to become a better climber?
@@MrTrikai I'd find a long climb, do a max effort for reference. Then after a few days go back and do 3 x 8 min @ threshold with 2-3 rest between. then keep upping it by 2 min each week till you're doing 3 x 12 min. Same with vo2. 3x3 min (3 min rest between) then 2 min rest between then 1 min rest between. That's 3 weeks (w/ 1 Z4 and 1 Z5 workout per week). Take a few days off Retest your max effort on same climb. I'd be curious to see how much you'd improve. If you're not used to doing this type of interval work I think you might be surprised.
@@aussiefreediver I will try. Yes. I haven't done interval training for anything specific like this. Thanks for the suggestion and I will report back! As long as the weather holds...
It's been about thirty years since I've done this climb. It was about the only road bike climb I've ever struggled with rear wheel traction on, especially since the surface is often wet, and I had to zig zag the steepest parts. Fun video, thanks for posting.
This looks like a GCN segment. I LOVE IT!! :D
dont disrespect jeff like that
Or Safa Brian, except, uphill.
Except less, what's the term ... (checks google translate) ... "less wankers"
@@wateim3951 "fewer"
Way better than GCN. Just the location alone is a win. Bay Area Living.💯
Jackson is one of the strongest cyclists I’ve personally met…glad to see him here and show what he’s got. A 36lb bike is craazyyyyy
Thanks Yee! Miss you bud
The fact that he was on that 36 lb bike and still basically kept up with you, that's insane!
My full suspension trail bike is even lighter than the eurobike lol
@@lachilly1131 not really a flex the eurobike is a pos
@@loc9588 im not flexing, I think it’s just crazy that a road bike can be heavier than a mid-range trail bike
Could have taken the kick stand off at least. LOL
16 kg
What a great video - hope to see more of Jackson on your channel! Chemistry is great and he's clearly strong both with his abilities and knowledge. Jackson actually did my bike fit a couple years ago, and inspired me to really elevate my cycling - genuinely a great guy :)
I like how the 3 spoke wheel has graphics that say “3-spoke”
I love how Asians name things in English. When I was in Seoul, some of the shop names were “16oz Coffee”, “20oz Coffee”, and “32cm Ice Cream”. Then there was “A Beef Intestines Story”, “Self Barbecue”, and “Man Love Dog”.
Please don't buy a Eurobike if you're on a budget, you can get so much more second hand for the same money. They shouldn't be allowed to put bike in their name....
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@@___kayedLook at the weight! It's criminally heavy!
@@c.s.4273 are pro bikes really that heavy?
@@c.s.4273 calm down man
@@c.s.4273 I ain’t think it was that heavy
Wow, Jack you weren't joking. Can't believe you did it with that bike. Really showed me I gotta upgrade my engine before upgrading my bike!
It isn’t either or. You can do both 😉
I used to have that mindset too, but I actually think my fitness improved when I got an expensive bike because the gears go higher and also I'm now more stoked about riding on long bike paths, so I do it more often, whereas long distance riding used to be not nearly as fun on a budget bike. There's something really irritating about people passing you while giving way less effort than you just becausse they have better bikes than you. It made me feel really discouraged, and that feeling can ruin a workout.
Thanks guys for showing some of the best locals riding in the bay area! I miss these roads!
Thanks for the video, can you share the segment details or a link? I searched segments on Strava and found the hill on Google maps, but couldn't find a segment that appeared to match. I'd love to give it a try with some friends.
i'm 250lbs. I would roll backwards after about 6 minutes.
And stop others rolling backwards.
Haha - I’d stop after the 5% section and say, “Nailed it!”
210lbs here and my legs are burning just watching. Lmao 😂😂😂
😂
my home town! what a great place to grow up and to get hooked on cycling. fun video as always
Fun video, but I feel like I missed something. What was the point in having the climber on a 36 pound bike? Seems like everything that happened after that was, if not irrelevant, at least predictable. On a 7kg bike, the climber still wins handily, even with a dropped chain. I have clearly misunderstood something.
yeah you are missing the fact that it is for fun. and to see if he can keep up with non climber who has advantage
Gearing, which clearly backfired lol
Huge power numbers there guys! Way to go!
Fun video! Really looking forward to watching the KOM attempt!
If you've never ridden a bike with those cheap bladed aluminium wheels, you wouldn't believe the amount of flex (or how heavy they are). It feels like you're going backwards on the flat, let alone uphill.
minor edit: Xmas tree hill is in Corte Madera not Larkspur
I would die. Plain and simple. I am sure my heart would just explode, and I'm pretty sure that is worse than a dropped chain! 🤣 Well done you two!
sweet kick stand bro! only missing the saddle bag!
Love the kickstand on the bike, I wish this was a thing. 😃
When you drop a vchain you don't have to stop.
Overshoot in the opposite. Direction where the chain was dropped.
Gently pedal until the chain ring picks up the train.
You can practice this on your trainer.
You guys are Monsters!!!!! WOw!!!! Congrats to both.
love the kick stand 😂
That looked like it hurt. I like this style of vid, would be nice to see more 1 on 1 stuff.
Great example of “its not the bike but the athlete” so train hard forget about the marginal gains and spending unnecessary to make you 2-3 watts faster.
Come to Seattle to do some training. Lots of hills in the 15-20+% range.
I love the how you guys left the kickstand on
Jeff is look like more climber than jackson, based on their body 😂
Lol he is biking with a bike kickstand 🤣
That is insanely funny. 800 feet in 1.14 miles equals 13.3%. You know what also equals 13.3%? 133 meters climb in one kilometer.
Insane power from Jackson nearly 400watts for 11 mins, very rough maths total train weight 96kg playing your 85kg. I do love my ulterga 52-36 11-34 but I can't produce 400 watts for 10 mins
A 39-28 is a silly gear for that hill.
@@serevinvukele8046 🤣, wouldn't have made much of a video with 36-34 as you smoked smoked the Euro bike and Jackson.
36 pounds?? I don't think my grandmother's balloon-tyre 3-speed Raleigh from the 1930s weighed that much, even with the steel rack, fenders, and full wrap-around chain-guard included.
Vintage bikes were about 50 pounds. They got a lot lighter in the 70's when they started perfecting thin-wall steel tubing, about 28-30 pounds then.
It's the aero look with the cheap materials. You get away with all the aero on an expensive bike because they use expensive materials to reduce the weight, not so on a Eurobike.
Gonna need to see Andrew Feather on the channel
All climbers out there, try Charleston rd ,Volcano Ca . Go from Volcano to Shake ridge rd .This is one tough ride.
Oh man. Summit is crazy steep! I've only gone down it.
Is there a take home for the average Jo? Gearing maybe, being able to pedal at a preferred cadence and therefore a power you can sustain.
AWESOME VIDEO!🔥🔥🔥 my only 2çent feedback is you guys should have done a fair amount of rest, have another go and SWITCHED BIKES☺️ and we’ll see how different the outcome would be! 😉
Other than that it was Spectacular !!
Nobody’s going to call out the kickstand doping? Those boffins at UCI would have had their panties in a bunch if they found out! 😂😂😂
Every single bike should have a backup rear granny gear. The only exception is downhill and indoor racing in which no granny gears are needed
Attackiing during a machanical! Forshame! Good stuff guys.
That 36 lb bike woulda totally killed the downhill on a roundtrip race
I actually don't mind the look of the Eurobike. It's a shame that it hasn't been put on a diet.
bro got dat aerodynamic kickstand
still got the kickstand attached, amazing.
Crazy power and fitness. I found a local 500m climb that looks like an exponential curve, maxing at 18%, on my ~32lb dual sus MTB with 32-46 gearing, and I almost had a heart attack by the end of it.
I’m interested to try it on my ~19lb road bike with 34-34 gearing and see if the lighter weight but harder gearing can see me up it. I don’t like the thought of having to unclip on such a steep segment if I fail!!!
road bike will be harder because of gearing.. uncliping is easy, but try to clip in and start on such incline..
man, it's impossible to get one of those Eurobikes in Europe
why would you want one
@@loc9588 For the meme
Yes, in a skip.
@@loc9588 just imagine winning a race on one
They are also available here on Amazon but with a different name. Curious why they hint at Europe for selling in the US. It’s not like the Europe version is called chinabike or usabike
7:13 the right edge of that asphalt is a sinkhole just waiting to open up any minute.
Love your vids keep it up 😁
I did not expect a $350 bike to have disc brakes, definitely will need it on the way down lol.
They won't be brakes for very long.... :D
@@russellspeight5175 They'll become breaks :)
I think they melt. I forget which video where they failed
Well there goes your Knees 🤪🚴♂️🚴♀️🚴♂️… OMG Had to add… The Euro Bike had a Quick Stand 😂
I’d really like doing the going back down part.
It's definitely longer so it's not as punchy as this climb, but have you ever ridden Mix Canyon Road near Vacaville?
I’ve heard of Mix Canyon! Have you done it?
@@dorseykindler9544 I have! Although I only made it about a mile away from the top because there was too much snow on the road. (I road it back in February when NorCal randomly got snow at low elevations)
oooof. that cadence is just making my legs hurt!
I lived halfway up that hill! Had the CR for running for a bit. Sigh.
mix canyon is a steep ride..outside vacaville ca.. starts out soft and easy.. then it get hard.. in a few corners, you come around them.. and is so steep you think your face will hit the pavement
This is the content I've been waiting for.
ah, the classic "bridge & blow", my specialty :DDD
Lol! I couldn't count the number of times I missed the break and then bridged up, but I caught the breakaway just at the bottom of a climb. I'm sure you know how that ends!
Two climbs of note: Mix Canyon off Pleasant Valley Road in Vacaville area and Gate's Canyon not far from that. Give those two a ride with another climber. Last mile are both ugly. Coming down those hills are worse than the climb. Bring a disc brake road bike. Awesome Video.
nice, you started from one of my favorite giant dealer locations. larkspur bike shop is great, nice owner
I know exactly how that feels climbing with the cheap heavy bike. I'm climbing bridge twice a week and need about 15km from home to that bridge before i can climb it 😂
Great video! Enjoyed every minute of it! It's the rider not the bike....or so I want to think that knowing I have a starter bike (Trek Domane AL5).
I ride all around there, I’ve seen Barry Bonds a couple times.
Nice sportmanship, cool video.
Riding a 35 lb bike up that climb and still riding that well is amazing!!
Omg waiting for next episode that you guys switched the bike 🙂🙃
Jeff, see the reply to my previous question/post. Looks like the spambots have been busy and are offering up your TCR to me as a new ride:) I'm not sure if you see all these replies or if you have a way to blacklist them. They even used the NC logo on their spoof site with a tiny black at the top.
Chain catcher is essential for shifting down under this sort of effort. Even the pros use them.
i wish i'd watch this vid before I bought my used bike for commuting. that eurobike looks sick!
I did a grueling 6 mile climb last weekend that was 4% average grade, let me know if you want me on the show for the next challenge.
Even my Fatbike with its 4.6"/124mm wide tires is lighter than this Eurobike! Imagine being beaten by a Fatbike uphill! 😮
That eurobike must be filled with lead! That's 2 pounds heavier than my fat bike!😂
Hi.. what bike computer or camera do you use on this video. It shows heart rate, wattage, map, elev ?
you didn't even take the kickstand off the Eurobike... lol...
Is this GCN or Eurobike’s strangely expanding marketing campaign? 😂
Maybe I'm missing it -- where is the link to the actual ride route? I just see a Strava link to Jeff's account but no links there to this ride. THanks.
great effort
the Eurobike strikes back :D
Guys are insane shape. Awesome stuff
I don't get the idea of this test. Is it sprinter vs climber or is it light bike with big gear vs heavy bike with granny gear. Please enlighten me.
Love your work man keep up
I know weight is important, but the stiffness of the carbon bike is also going to play a big part in converting the Watts to movement.
not as big as you think
My road bike is aluminum frame with carbon fork, it is quite stiff I barely feel any flex when going uphill out of the saddle and putting down the watts.
I have two pair myself!
hah, never heard of this climb. looks fun, gonna have to do this on a ride from here in sf some time soon.
You guys should try mix canyon Rd in Fairfield,Ca.
How to make video with all sensor display like that???
Thank you
Kept the kick stand on lol
You guys are amazing.
Did he get into the granny ring for the climb-at those grades, it would make a big difference to allow a higher cadence.
Gobik!!! My fav kit I own
Anyone ever rode up Sugarloaf in Santa Rosa area? The front wheel of my old Cannondale red shred got very light
That was awesome! …. Great job.,
I live in Colombia and we actually don't have asphalted hills this steep - I think it is because, while we have cyclists who could climb them (not me), we have no motor vehicles that could. Perhaps add some kgs and km conversions for your international subscribers.
si hay muchas aqui en la sabana de bogota
@@dannyromero1583 Muchas qué? Si refieres a colinas, la Sabana de Bogotá es una antigua laguna rellena - si no es plana, no es parte de la sabana. Las subidas más duras de Colombia, como en Apia o Ipiales, son sin pavimiento o de concreto, nunca asfaltadas.
@@renatab8293 subidas similares a la del video
@@dannyromero1583 Ah, tranquilo, no entendiste lo que escribí. Dije que en subidas mayores (>15% por ejemplo) no solemos usar asfalto en Colombia, sino concreto
So I guess the question would be that based on your physical makeup (your strengths as a sprinter) would a climbing specific training plan ever get you to a point that you could beat a trained climber (his physical strengths) climbing? I am a sprinter but I live in CO and don't race crits anymore. On longer group ride or gravel races that tend to have elevation gain, should my focus be on trying to become the best "climber" I can and hope I can hang on for the finish? Or go back to crits?
I guess the question would be A. Are your W/kg comparative to the people you're riding with. And if so B. Historically have you dedicated time to specifically training Z4/5 systems in order to become a better climber?
@@aussiefreediver Thanks. A training plan couldn't hurt.
@@MrTrikai I'd find a long climb, do a max effort for reference. Then after a few days go back and do 3 x 8 min @ threshold with 2-3 rest between. then keep upping it by 2 min each week till you're doing 3 x 12 min. Same with vo2. 3x3 min (3 min rest between) then 2 min rest between then 1 min rest between. That's 3 weeks (w/ 1 Z4 and 1 Z5 workout per week). Take a few days off Retest your max effort on same climb. I'd be curious to see how much you'd improve. If you're not used to doing this type of interval work I think you might be surprised.
@@aussiefreediver I will try. Yes. I haven't done interval training for anything specific like this. Thanks for the suggestion and I will report back! As long as the weather holds...
Forget a training plan just working your way up into thousands of feet of climbing every ride.
Great job guys 😂
that eurobike would like slick with its bars flipped and a double sixpack haning off it
Jai said, 'socks on caterpillars' only because the usual saying here is, 'we're not here to fuck spiders', see equally confusing
What is the brand of the black sunglasses?
I bought a giant TCR in August. Biggest mistake in my cycling life. Now I can't sell it as no one's interested. It's not a climbers bike
Climbing with Disc Brakes 😂
Jeff, are there any NorCal codes for one those sweet Eurobike
stem spacers??