A KTM of any vintage is a worthy mount, and could honestly crush most competition in the right hands. I would rate my 1987 KTM 350MXC enduro in a test like this. Not to mention, the history of 2 stoike motocross shows that a 250 is often quicker around a track than a 500. That's why the Mr Motocross series , which was open class, was ruled by 250s in its heyday. A better comparison would have been with the pro on a cheap, new Chinese POS and the amateur on a bike of the same capacity.
Without watching the video first, I can tell you it's the rider that makes the difference one thousand percent. Hell, he'd win on a ten year-old 80cc rat trap.
Amen! I literally got on my phone while watching this on the TV just to comment something I learned a lonnnnng time ago in Golf. “It’s not the bow, it’s the Indian!” Sure equipment matters, but if you want to be good then you’ll learn how to become good! It’s all how bad you want to be good, and what you're willing to do to be good "upstairs in your head!" 💪
@@999lazer I have seen something similar before and yes, a pro on a mini bike can still easily beat a top 'local' amateur on a full size bike. I watched a race where schoolboy and collegeboy were run on the same track at the same time with a staggered start giving collegeboy (which included age eliglble A class riders) a 30 second head start. A 12 year old future factory rider was on a 100cc big wheel mini in schoolboy and by the end of the race the future pro on a mini had closed the 30 second head start and passed his way to 2nd in collegeboy. If he had another lap he would have been leading collegeboy.
One of my friends was a good high school tennis player. I remember him saying, when people would complain about their racket, "here, take my really expensive top of the line racket, I'll use yours". He'd always crush them with any old racket. I the case in this video, both guys are quality riders in their own rights.
When I was 21 my friend and I played tennis for fun. One day he came with a used $150 Racket. I had my $20 Spalding from Bennies. He served first, I returned a massive backhand and promply dropped like a sack of potatoes. Old ACL tear from Ski accident leg go. I got up relocated my knee, hobbled around the court then proceeded to woop his butt and win three games in a row. We were 1 month apart in age and were very competitive with each other. We are still good friends to this day. We met at 6 years old.
Years ago, when Bob Hannah was riding for Yamaha, he came to a track local to me, with a YZ250 from the showroom of a local dealer. The bike was bone stock, but it had been adjusted to Bob's preferences. In both motos, he started close to last (intentionally, I think), then proceeded to lay waste to the field, including the local hot shot, who had a big lead. He caught the leader at about half way through the moto, then dropped him like a rock. Moto 2 was a repeat of moto 1.
I'm not a Motorcross rider, but I used to hang glide. Being in the southern hemisphere all the Champions would come down and fly my local hill during our summer before the world championship competitions. So I would rub shoulders with the best in the world. The difference between the weekend warriors and the guys who win championships is huge. I was on the hill one day waiting for the weather to change as it was too light and wasn't flyable. A young girl went up to Steve Moyes, (multi world champion, factory pilot for Moyes Delta Gliders) and asked him to look at her Mars 150 (small beginner glider intended for very light pilots). He hopped in. Took off. Gained altitude (which no one else has been able to do flying correctly sized gliders) did a few tests which burned through his altitude, gained it again, did some more tests and top landed. Half a dozen guys who saw him staying up launched and they all flew straight down to the beach. Equipment can make a difference, and for sure, when he competed he flew the best glider Moyes built, but it only makes a difference between equally talented pilots
That would have been awesome to see. Hangliding is going to be the sport I take up in retirement. Did a weekend course a decade or so ago and had 5 solo glides that weekend. Amazing experience for a human to use the natural elements for flight. How lucky to live in these times.
I read the title of this video to my GF and we both just loved at each other and laughed and said anyone that's ever been on a bike and rode for at least 3 feet knows that no amount of money can buy skill... That being said this was all a very well put together video and entertaining to watch.... Great job
That is what is so cool about our sport. The rider really makes the difference. The bike preparation and set-up only make the difference when riders are of the same level.
K-Dub passed me on a 1974 Bultaco like i was sitting still at Wildwood MX in Kentwood, LA. Doesn't matter what bike is being ridden talent and skill always win.
I was faster on a track on my 99' CR125 than I was on My Mint 95' CR500... It's all about usable power, weight, and bike Control! Now in the dunes or a drag race, 500 for sure, tight trails, the 125, Baja, 500 again?! 😮 Gotta have the right tool for the Job! 👊
Weight and size of the rider is huge too. I weigh 210lbs and ride a te300 on single track comfortably and quick, but my riding buddy weighs about 150lbs and is very short. He's slower on his 350 four stroke but would dust me on a 125 two stroke
I was about to say the same thing. Tight small track would favor the lighter more nimble bike. Results might have been the same with matching bikes since the "Pro" owns the track and should know it quite well.
I'm not into motor cross, I don't even ever watch it (hell, I watch bicycles) - but this was GREAT to watch. Very fun, and a great show of what skills get a person.
Great video Max, ed and Sean were blasting round that track, like anything skill plays a big part, those lad's deserve a beer , thanks for the videos max.
Owning the track is about as much ad one can be in their "own" element! Still very impressive. I once went to Baja with Geroge Earl. He's a Baja legend from the 1st in 1967. His sons took over the racing in the early 2000s and he was 70yrs old on our trip. He rode a mid 90s husky 250f that was tricked out with all his works parts. Still running a conventional (not upside down) fork. Also on our trip, a Dakar racer from the france to Dakar days, a 19yr Baja racer for HRC and two EMTs who race the Baja 250 every yr but had never done the 500 or the 1000 rounding out those that compete. Then my friend and who enjoy fast desert riding bit do not compete and another 8 riders who came from all across the country to ride with a legend. George was faster than everyone on his home grown 90s bike by a decent margin. It was incredible to witness. The 19yr old was on a factory HRC 450r but it didnt matter, George was just faster, and it wasnt even a competition pace. The combination of being there for over 40 years and a bike that perfectly setup for him (70hp and 210lbs) had him leaving everyone. My friend and I basically ride alone. The racers were gone, no dust in the air gone, and the other 8 riders were much slower than my frind and I. We stopped every 25 to 40 miles on our trek from San Felipe to the Bay of LA (aprox a 250 mile day) amd the racers would wait 15 to 20min for my friend and I, then wed all wait for upwards of a half n hr for everyone else. It was a really cool way to see the difference between casual trail riders, adrenalin addicted enthusiasts (my friend and I) and people with real competition tested skills. I will say this though, that ex Dakar guy was the most smooth and safe rider I've ever riden with. His terrain reading skills at speed and his ability to know when to push would easily lead my friend and I into uncomfortable speeds. George did end up killing his bike. We took a single track just before Coco's corner amd at a wather crossing we all stopped to check the depth. Geroge was running sweep for us. He pulled up and asked what was going on, then told us we were a bunch on women, turned around to get some speed, and submarined his bike bending a valve in the process. Also of note, the HRC bike had the header snap off at the manifold in a set of whoops. Kid was really pushing hard to try to keep George in site. George and Malcolm Smith were friends since they were teenagers. George stayed with Baja racing and is almost unknown in the states but in baja even at the time we went there together he was hit up for pics and autographs by people of all ages.
As a big fan of all motorsports, in F1, MotoGP, etc, the engineering is part of the show. I like the relevance of the rider on motorcross and I also admire the engineers on F1. They're all great sports! And I glad they're so different
Yzilla makes me drool!!! I know there is a comment about beat Sean on an 80cc....I actually beat every bike on my track including cr500's on a CR80...they couldn't touch me on the corners...and couldn't get far enough ahead of me on the straightaways to beat me...how time goes bye! Another fantastic interview Max! Keep em coming! 👊🤙💪🇨🇦
story time. i was riding a Rmx250 at the track when i started tracks. When i upgraded to a almost new rm 96.. I went from zero to hero. I jump from begginer to junior in two practices and my the end of the season intermediate . Skill is there and the machine makes a huge difference.
Before the race started, I believed it was on the rider. So my money was on the pro. The video was intense. I was literally out off my seat cheering on Ed! Good video. Better than watching a Hollywood suspense thriller.
😊🙏 Can't believe a Two Bike MotorCross comparison can generates this much excitement! Yeap , Experienced Rider / Driver counts a lot but having a Good Bike / Vehicle , Team & Supports helped a lot too! Thank You So Much Guys for the Fun & Valuable Comparison! 🌷🌿🌏💜🕊
I was told all I needed was a WR250R with a couple of mods. I found one, it's in the shop getting fitted for some good old-fashioned Colorado winter off-roading and we're gonna see! I haven't been off-road on a bike for about 56-57 years. Can't wait.
yeah... here in Florida a KTM like that is still $3500-$4000. $2000 gets you a chinese dual sport newish (unless its a high quality brand like Kayo or GPX) or a bike that needs a lot of work to make it run
I love these videos. Always super creative and fun. Sean looks like he's pretty well dialed in as a rider. Very impressive. I would love to see both guys on 4 strokes, one factory spec, the other weekend warrior spec and do the same with the riders. The two stroke, to me, adds variables that kind of mess with the control of the experiment. But, what the hell do I know?
My little brother was always an awesome rider, still is. I remember way back when I was 15 and had a mighty YZ125G and he was on an XR80, and anywhere we went, he was never far behind, blowing sparks, header glowing, often right on my heels in tight stuff. Rider always wins.
yeah, 4 strokes suck but you can't beat them in cornering traction. flat torque curve makes the power very usable despite having much less peak power. kinda like comparing a 500hp GT Pro Corvette C8.R to a 900hp Mclaren Senna. the Corvette is going to kick the Mclaren's ass on the track because it can manage its power better in tight technical areas and has better overall traction
What an outstanding video !!!! Just look at this track - simply amazing and beautiful - real world stuff right here !!! Looks like both riders are having a blast !!! I prefer 2 strokes myself but must admit my Fact edition KTM 450 hauls the mail !!! IMO it is crazy fast and almost scary - at 55 yrs old I prefer the pre-mix bikes - also what I grew up with as did most of us " old timers " lol - what a great video and thank you for all you do and share for our sport !!!
You make a good moto-point! I've always said that bikes are so good now, that if you had the talent you could go out and win a National on one with very little modification.
I would totally agree the same can be said about trials riding when Bernie Schreiber won the world championship for Bultaco he said he could've won on a five-year-old motorcycle as long as it's in good fettle Great videos keep up the good work
I doubt that 250f had significant wear on the engine. Has it been ridden, sure, clapped out, definitely not. Now, if they had actually bought a bike for this instead of using one that they owned and maintained, then yes, for 2000 it would have been a clapped out 250f.
it actually goes to show you that the less powerful yet broader flatter powerband of the 4 stroke allowed it to have a considerable traction advantage over the 2 stroke, plus the 4 stroke has a softer suspension which hurts jumping confidence but makes bikes feel more planted on rough stuff
Fun race but we knew the finish before the start. Pro rider could have ridden a dualsport and still win. Also most non-pro riders turn faster lap times on a 250 than a 500. What lap times did Sean get on the 250 if he got to ride it? I know I'd be quicker on the old 250 4 stroke than on your full built 500 2 stroke. I will guess that most of us would. Great video as always!
Your days of legitimately being able to contemplate riding and physically being able to do it are almost long gone too! All the more reason to live this life and GO do what makes you happy while you still “can.” Cheers bro! 🤜🤛
I guessed the outcome, but it was unreal as to how much of a lead the Amateur was given and how quickly the pro got him. Also, when the pro got him in his sights but was still behind, it was easy to see how much of it was rider vs bike... on the straights the 500 was (gradually) moving away from the 250, but huge amounts of ground are made up entering the corner, much higher cornering speed and exiting the corners which is "all rider". Its actually good practice to use a smaller displacement bike, it forces you to hit corners as hard as you can, which is where most could use more practice anyways.
thankyou so much for doing this, i recently got into a right argument with hundreds on a page that called me a dickhead when i said a pro on a low end bike would beat an amateur on a beast. Sean is not what i would call amateur either, he is fast as F
I raced at Saddleback Park back in the 70's I once seen a Honda pro rider during practice dam near pass everyone on a trials bike of some kind. It was amazing to watch. I don't remember if it was Tommy croft or a support rider turn factory.
Making up time braking later, better momentum, the little things the pros know...insane. Totally different, but I have been surfing all my life. Surfing with/seeing professionals surf...the POWER, SPEED they surf with is on a completely different level.
I watched a guy on a nearly 20 year old 1982 YZ250 rail the turns, roll the doubles, but overall smoke his competition in the novice class in the late 90s. The guy hadn't raced in many years, but the skill came back to him really quick. Both of the guys in this video are skilled, with one being a more seasoned racer. I think that putting the weekend warrior guy on a 500 was not the smartest move, but it was still a fun video to watch.
Exactly what I was thinking, Put him on a modded out 250 or 350 built up for him, and maybe he'd be able to pull it off better not having that heavy thing pulling him into turns.
Same thing in road racing. At a club race a visiting Moto GP pro got the itch to participate so he borrowed a bone stock SV650 from out of the parking lot, lined up without any practice and started at the back of the pack. The bikes racing included Liter's with mods so some pretty decent hardware...and he lapped the field on the stock SV. Yep...rider 90 bike 10.
I'd like to see something similar with a WSB spec bike, vs a well-prepped comparable superstock bike. Simon Crafar as the "journalist/pro" on and someone similar to Sean as the skilled amateur. I'd bet you see similar results.
I love old bikes, but I would definitely prefer a new two stroke over an old four stroke! Both looked smooth. Corner speed and scrubbing looked like it made the difference.
The fastest guy in our riding group came out with us one time to our little practice track one day and kicked our asses in a big way. We were all on 250 MX bikes , TM’s a couple Yamahas and one a Bultaco . Mark thought it was quite funny as he smoked us on his Yamaha 250 trials bike :)
enduro-rider here many years ago when cc started to be very important,we had(still have) a guy in our club that resisted buying a bigger bike,he ensisted on riding 125cc(and still does) smokes atleat 70% of the other club-riders on the enduro-track,now he is in his 60:ies and still manage to show his enourmous skill and experience on his 125 ,and i think it's hillarious when a younger rider like in his 20:ies on a new 450 comes around ans sees this old guy on a 125 and laughs..2 laps later,the laugh is completley gone and instead they ask "how the hell does he do that???" , offcourse our hometrack and this guy has been riding there for over 40 years,so he knows every root and stone there is
I hope this video can convince all the people that spend copious amounts of money on bike upgrades and aftermarket parts. It’s not going to make you faster. There’s no substitute for skill and experience. Your best upgrade is your body. Put in the work to go faster!
Reminds me of my cousin who grew up with Mike Eagles who played 853 games in the NHL for a few different teams. He was drafted 116th in 1981. He'd go back to his hometown during the summer and play in the beer league against mostly guys he knew growing up. He was a very average NHL'er who hung on for years on the 4th line. But against guys who were all solid hockey players he was an absolute superstar. He could skate backwards faster than they skated forwards. Talent wins man.
Well, we have to do sports or get a job with the state when we don't know math,---I know. It is too bad brain activity is not measured in real time for a sport, that would really help with the rest of your life. We would astound ourselves of what we can do, and what our freedom of thinking can do for mankind. "If everybody would do the things they are capable of, they would astound themselves." Thomas Edison Or we can do sports.
Good show but it wasn't really a question :) I would have been more interested in the lap time differences between cheap bike and expensive bike with the same rider, both amateur and pro.
That was close. Sean is a pretty high end amateur. He was slinging that big 500. Ed is definitely a very good pro rider. A 15 second interval in 3 laps is James Stewart level riding.
Reminds me of the golf videos where the tour pro gets the children's clubs from the pawn shop and the youtube influencer golfer gets the $5000 set. Pro smashes it down the middle %90 the distance of his normal hit and tells you about how impressed he is with the $5 club from 1987.
Wery good video! Sean he was a really good rider! I thought that Ed would pass him after just a lap. If it would been a little ruffer track i think Sean could have tanken the victory. Thanks Max for an very interesting chanel! 👌
My father is a former pro mx racer and when he was in his 40s and 50s, he would race vet classes on 125s against bigger bikes all the time and just smoke them on the 125.
i don't think it's fair calling Sean an amateur, but my god....Ed can ride
I think Sean will like your comment ;) Thanks for watching
@@999lazer thanks for making epic videos
If you’re not a pro national rider, any class is considered amateur, even pro class am riders
A KTM of any vintage is a worthy mount, and could honestly crush most competition in the right hands. I would rate my 1987 KTM 350MXC enduro in a test like this. Not to mention, the history of 2 stoike motocross shows that a 250 is often quicker around a track than a 500. That's why the Mr Motocross series , which was open class, was ruled by 250s in its heyday. A better comparison would have been with the pro on a cheap, new Chinese POS and the amateur on a bike of the same capacity.
@@FasterBastard1 they're all much better than I'll ever be still
Without watching the video first, I can tell you it's the rider that makes the difference one thousand percent. Hell, he'd win on a ten year-old 80cc rat trap.
Thanks for watching, that's exactly what we want to put to the test. :)
Amen! I literally got on my phone while watching this on the TV just to comment something I learned a lonnnnng time ago in Golf.
“It’s not the bow, it’s the Indian!”
Sure equipment matters, but if you want to be good then you’ll learn how to become good! It’s all how bad you want to be good, and what you're willing to do to be good "upstairs in your head!" 💪
So true
@@999lazer I have seen something similar before and yes, a pro on a mini bike can still easily beat a top 'local' amateur on a full size bike. I watched a race where schoolboy and collegeboy were run on the same track at the same time with a staggered start giving collegeboy (which included age eliglble A class riders) a 30 second head start. A 12 year old future factory rider was on a 100cc big wheel mini in schoolboy and by the end of the race the future pro on a mini had closed the 30 second head start and passed his way to 2nd in collegeboy. If he had another lap he would have been leading collegeboy.
And Ed’s not even a real pro like the current MXGP pro’s.
Please, I am an amature rider, where might I find a 2000 dollar bike that isn't totally clapped?
for real lmao.. ill give em 2k for that bike all day edit-- on the other hand I wouldnt give 20k for that yz500 lol
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Buy a 2 stroke won't find a 4 stroke for 2k that isn't clapped 😂
You won't find it conveniently on a menu somewhere, that's for sure. Not like fast food mate
Facebook like 5 years ago lmao
One of my friends was a good high school tennis player. I remember him saying, when people would complain about their racket, "here, take my really expensive top of the line racket, I'll use yours". He'd always crush them with any old racket. I the case in this video, both guys are quality riders in their own rights.
The reality is when talent are more or less equal.. Littile advantage will matters. That will be true for the tennis racket itself
When I was 21 my friend and I played tennis for fun. One day he came with a used $150 Racket. I had my $20 Spalding from Bennies. He served first, I returned a massive backhand and promply dropped like a sack of potatoes. Old ACL tear from Ski accident leg go. I got up relocated my knee, hobbled around the court then proceeded to woop his butt and win three games in a row. We were 1 month apart in age and were very competitive with each other. We are still good friends to this day. We met at 6 years old.
That’s funny 😂
No shit.
The 2000€ bike looks better than the 20000€ bike
lol
💀 4t
That KTM still looks beautiful all these years later
Yeah! Really like it! 🧡
I'd take it for $2000 👍
Years ago, when Bob Hannah was riding for Yamaha, he came to a track local to me, with a YZ250 from the showroom of a local dealer. The bike was bone stock, but it had been adjusted to Bob's preferences. In both motos, he started close to last (intentionally, I think), then proceeded to lay waste to the field, including the local hot shot, who had a big lead. He caught the leader at about half way through the moto, then dropped him like a rock. Moto 2 was a repeat of moto 1.
I'm not a Motorcross rider, but I used to hang glide. Being in the southern hemisphere all the Champions would come down and fly my local hill during our summer before the world championship competitions. So I would rub shoulders with the best in the world.
The difference between the weekend warriors and the guys who win championships is huge.
I was on the hill one day waiting for the weather to change as it was too light and wasn't flyable. A young girl went up to Steve Moyes, (multi world champion, factory pilot for Moyes Delta Gliders) and asked him to look at her Mars 150 (small beginner glider intended for very light pilots).
He hopped in. Took off. Gained altitude (which no one else has been able to do flying correctly sized gliders) did a few tests which burned through his altitude, gained it again, did some more tests and top landed.
Half a dozen guys who saw him staying up launched and they all flew straight down to the beach.
Equipment can make a difference, and for sure, when he competed he flew the best glider Moyes built, but it only makes a difference between equally talented pilots
That would have been awesome to see. Hangliding is going to be the sport I take up in retirement. Did a weekend course a decade or so ago and had 5 solo glides that weekend. Amazing experience for a human to use the natural elements for flight. How lucky to live in these times.
I read the title of this video to my GF and we both just loved at each other and laughed and said anyone that's ever been on a bike and rode for at least 3 feet knows that no amount of money can buy skill... That being said this was all a very well put together video and entertaining to watch.... Great job
That is what is so cool about our sport. The rider really makes the difference. The bike preparation and set-up only make the difference when riders are of the same level.
Thats it docWob making some of his money!
Now an episode of Ed Bradley riding yzilla👏👏👏
K-Dub passed me on a 1974 Bultaco like i was sitting still at Wildwood MX in Kentwood, LA. Doesn't matter what bike is being ridden talent and skill always win.
I was faster on a track on my 99' CR125 than I was on My Mint 95' CR500... It's all about usable power, weight, and bike Control! Now in the dunes or a drag race, 500 for sure, tight trails, the 125, Baja, 500 again?! 😮 Gotta have the right tool for the Job! 👊
Weight and size of the rider is huge too. I weigh 210lbs and ride a te300 on single track comfortably and quick, but my riding buddy weighs about 150lbs and is very short. He's slower on his 350 four stroke but would dust me on a 125 two stroke
I was about to say the same thing. Tight small track would favor the lighter more nimble bike. Results might have been the same with matching bikes since the "Pro" owns the track and should know it quite well.
I used to smoke guys on 250s with my RM125. When I went up to 250’s, I got slower. You’re so right.
I'm not into motor cross, I don't even ever watch it (hell, I watch bicycles) - but this was GREAT to watch. Very fun, and a great show of what skills get a person.
Sean is awesome, his commentary during the race was cracking me up lol good race!
Good job calculating that 15 second handicap made it real tense
Great video Max, ed and Sean were blasting round that track, like anything skill plays a big part, those lad's deserve a beer , thanks for the videos max.
Glad you enjoyed it Kevin :)
Owning the track is about as much ad one can be in their "own" element! Still very impressive.
I once went to Baja with Geroge Earl. He's a Baja legend from the 1st in 1967. His sons took over the racing in the early 2000s and he was 70yrs old on our trip. He rode a mid 90s husky 250f that was tricked out with all his works parts. Still running a conventional (not upside down) fork.
Also on our trip, a Dakar racer from the france to Dakar days, a 19yr Baja racer for HRC and two EMTs who race the Baja 250 every yr but had never done the 500 or the 1000 rounding out those that compete. Then my friend and who enjoy fast desert riding bit do not compete and another 8 riders who came from all across the country to ride with a legend.
George was faster than everyone on his home grown 90s bike by a decent margin. It was incredible to witness. The 19yr old was on a factory HRC 450r but it didnt matter, George was just faster, and it wasnt even a competition pace. The combination of being there for over 40 years and a bike that perfectly setup for him (70hp and 210lbs) had him leaving everyone.
My friend and I basically ride alone. The racers were gone, no dust in the air gone, and the other 8 riders were much slower than my frind and I.
We stopped every 25 to 40 miles on our trek from San Felipe to the Bay of LA (aprox a 250 mile day) amd the racers would wait 15 to 20min for my friend and I, then wed all wait for upwards of a half n hr for everyone else.
It was a really cool way to see the difference between casual trail riders, adrenalin addicted enthusiasts (my friend and I) and people with real competition tested skills.
I will say this though, that ex Dakar guy was the most smooth and safe rider I've ever riden with. His terrain reading skills at speed and his ability to know when to push would easily lead my friend and I into uncomfortable speeds.
George did end up killing his bike. We took a single track just before Coco's corner amd at a wather crossing we all stopped to check the depth. Geroge was running sweep for us. He pulled up and asked what was going on, then told us we were a bunch on women, turned around to get some speed, and submarined his bike bending a valve in the process.
Also of note, the HRC bike had the header snap off at the manifold in a set of whoops. Kid was really pushing hard to try to keep George in site.
George and Malcolm Smith were friends since they were teenagers. George stayed with Baja racing and is almost unknown in the states but in baja even at the time we went there together he was hit up for pics and autographs by people of all ages.
I love watching such great riders. It’s crazy how hard edd was working while looking so casual on the bike.
As a big fan of all motorsports, in F1, MotoGP, etc, the engineering is part of the show. I like the relevance of the rider on motorcross and I also admire the engineers on F1. They're all great sports! And I glad they're so different
Would be interesting to see the different times on both bikes with the pro rider
Yzilla makes me drool!!! I know there is a comment about beat Sean on an 80cc....I actually beat every bike on my track including cr500's on a CR80...they couldn't touch me on the corners...and couldn't get far enough ahead of me on the straightaways to beat me...how time goes bye! Another fantastic interview Max! Keep em coming! 👊🤙💪🇨🇦
story time. i was riding a Rmx250 at the track when i started tracks. When i upgraded to a almost new rm 96.. I went from zero to hero. I jump from begginer to junior in two practices and my the end of the season intermediate . Skill is there and the machine makes a huge difference.
Before the race started, I believed it was on the rider. So my money was on the pro. The video was intense. I was literally out off my seat cheering on Ed!
Good video. Better than watching a Hollywood suspense thriller.
Thanks :)
😊🙏 Can't believe a Two Bike MotorCross comparison can generates this much excitement! Yeap , Experienced Rider / Driver counts a lot but having a Good Bike / Vehicle , Team & Supports helped a lot too! Thank You So Much Guys for the Fun & Valuable Comparison! 🌷🌿🌏💜🕊
Whenever the YZ comes out of the garage you know it's going to be a lit video.
Haha it sure is, thanks for watching JayLee
I was told all I needed was a WR250R with a couple of mods. I found one, it's in the shop getting fitted for some good old-fashioned Colorado winter off-roading and we're gonna see! I haven't been off-road on a bike for about 56-57 years. Can't wait.
yeah... here in Florida a KTM like that is still $3500-$4000. $2000 gets you a chinese dual sport newish (unless its a high quality brand like Kayo or GPX) or a bike that needs a lot of work to make it run
that was fun to watch, I was really confident Sean was going to pull off the W but skill is skill and can't be replaced with shiny bits....
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it.
I have an 86 490 I grew up on 2strokes but I love a good dirt bike 4or2stroke thanks for good videos
Great performance crew! It was a lot of fun to watch.
Great vid Max. Long live the Zilla that is one awesome 2 stroke machine and it sounds so sweet.
I love these videos. Always super creative and fun. Sean looks like he's pretty well dialed in as a rider. Very impressive. I would love to see both guys on 4 strokes, one factory spec, the other weekend warrior spec and do the same with the riders. The two stroke, to me, adds variables that kind of mess with the control of the experiment. But, what the hell do I know?
The way he can pick lines is nuts!
My little brother was always an awesome rider, still is. I remember way back when I was 15 and had a mighty YZ125G and he was on an XR80, and anywhere we went, he was never far behind, blowing sparks, header glowing, often right on my heels in tight stuff. Rider always wins.
1/2 a second lost coming out of every corner on the YZ waiting to get it lined up before hitting to 'go' switch! Great vid, long live the 2t monsters!
Thanks for watching Luke :)
yeah, 4 strokes suck but you can't beat them in cornering traction. flat torque curve makes the power very usable despite having much less peak power. kinda like comparing a 500hp GT Pro Corvette C8.R to a 900hp Mclaren Senna. the Corvette is going to kick the Mclaren's ass on the track because it can manage its power better in tight technical areas and has better overall traction
What an outstanding video !!!! Just look at this track - simply amazing and beautiful - real world stuff right here !!! Looks like both riders are having a blast !!! I prefer 2 strokes myself but must admit my Fact edition KTM 450 hauls the mail !!! IMO it is crazy fast and almost scary - at 55 yrs old I prefer the pre-mix bikes - also what I grew up with as did most of us " old timers " lol - what a great video and thank you for all you do and share for our sport !!!
Thanks Mike
Great video. I never raced or did anything similar but this was a fun watch
Great riding + superb Vid production !!
That KTM is still a brutal war machine, make no mistake about it.
You make a good moto-point! I've always said that bikes are so good now, that if you had the talent you could go out and win a National on one with very little modification.
Great video Max 💪🏻 love the track but tell Ed to sort the road out 😂
I would totally agree the same can be said about trials riding when Bernie Schreiber won the world championship for Bultaco he said he could've won on a five-year-old motorcycle as long as it's in good fettle Great videos keep up the good work
That old KTM sounds pretty good. She's still got some bark. 😅
Looks like a solid bike
Yeah, a KTM 250 SX is in no way a slow mx bike.
Now, race these two bikes up a monster sand dune...
Brand new 500 2 stroke vs clapped out 250 4 stroke? With a big head start for the former? Ed is a savage!
I doubt that 250f had significant wear on the engine. Has it been ridden, sure, clapped out, definitely not.
Now, if they had actually bought a bike for this instead of using one that they owned and maintained, then yes, for 2000 it would have been a clapped out 250f.
it actually goes to show you that the less powerful yet broader flatter powerband of the 4 stroke allowed it to have a considerable traction advantage over the 2 stroke, plus the 4 stroke has a softer suspension which hurts jumping confidence but makes bikes feel more planted on rough stuff
That is what we road and loved back in the day... LO and that's an older 250cc vs a newer 500cc amazing..
Fun race but we knew the finish before the start.
Pro rider could have ridden a dualsport and still win.
Also most non-pro riders turn faster lap times on a 250 than a 500.
What lap times did Sean get on the 250 if he got to ride it?
I know I'd be quicker on the old 250 4 stroke than on your full built 500 2 stroke.
I will guess that most of us would.
Great video as always!
Exactly, much more fair setups is 250 4t and 125 with messed carb settings and leaky forks )))
I was suprised about the Ktm price .
I’m almost tempted to buy one but at 59 my days of healing quickly are long gone.
If only we could be 18-25 again strength healing and attitude wise ?
Your days of legitimately being able to contemplate riding and physically being able to do it are almost long gone too! All the more reason to live this life and GO do what makes you happy while you still “can.” Cheers bro! 🤜🤛
In my opinion, you will not be able to find a used KTM like that one that is ready to hit the track for $2000.
@@eflanagan1921 I’m daft enough to ride like I’m still 18-25 but just the arm pump would leave me ringing in sick for Monday and Tuesday 🤞
@@TokenTombstone I’m searching my old mx connections.
Awesome video Max , loved it ...........
I guessed the outcome, but it was unreal as to how much of a lead the Amateur was given and how quickly the pro got him. Also, when the pro got him in his sights but was still behind, it was easy to see how much of it was rider vs bike... on the straights the 500 was (gradually) moving away from the 250, but huge amounts of ground are made up entering the corner, much higher cornering speed and exiting the corners which is "all rider". Its actually good practice to use a smaller displacement bike, it forces you to hit corners as hard as you can, which is where most could use more practice anyways.
At 62 years old, I'm stoked whenever I get out there. Fuk the bike. Just so long as I can rely on it.
Where can I get a 2,000$ bike like that?!
thankyou so much for doing this, i recently got into a right argument with hundreds on a page that called me a dickhead when i said a pro on a low end bike would beat an amateur on a beast. Sean is not what i would call amateur either, he is fast as F
No problem, thanks for watching :)
I raced at Saddleback Park back in the 70's I once seen a Honda pro rider during practice dam near pass everyone on a trials bike of some kind. It was amazing to watch. I don't remember if it was Tommy croft or a support rider turn factory.
Dam good riding, they were fun to watch. great job !!!
This was Great, thank you!
9:57 I love the little ohhhh! As his ripping the 500 getting chased down haha
Making up time braking later, better momentum, the little things the pros know...insane. Totally different, but I have been surfing all my life. Surfing with/seeing professionals surf...the POWER, SPEED they surf with is on a completely different level.
I watched a guy on a nearly 20 year old 1982 YZ250 rail the turns, roll the doubles, but overall smoke his competition in the novice class in the late 90s. The guy hadn't raced in many years, but the skill came back to him really quick. Both of the guys in this video are skilled, with one being a more seasoned racer. I think that putting the weekend warrior guy on a 500 was not the smartest move, but it was still a fun video to watch.
Exactly what I was thinking, Put him on a modded out 250 or 350 built up for him, and maybe he'd be able to pull it off better not having that heavy thing pulling him into turns.
met ed, very nice guy. missin riding and ed track. enjoyed watchin it
Same thing in road racing. At a club race a visiting Moto GP pro got the itch to participate so he borrowed a bone stock SV650 from out of the parking lot, lined up without any practice and started at the back of the pack. The bikes racing included Liter's with mods so some pretty decent hardware...and he lapped the field on the stock SV. Yep...rider 90 bike 10.
This was brilliant! 👍🇬🇧
Thanks lads. Cheers from OZ
Superbe choose for this vids, very fun to see. Just let Ed to drive this 500cc to see what a talent can made with this hyper motor cross
Only ever ridden a trailie myself and the fun that can be had on or off road is unsurpassable. Mine was a Kawasaki AE80 and I was unbeatable on it.
As much as I like Putoline the Motorex logo on the KTM while you were talking about it did make me smile.
Love your videos guys and nice to see the mighty Y Z out again, awsome
Thanks for watching Alan! The YZilla always puts a smile on my face when we roll her out :-)
Man that was exciting 👍🏼👍🏼
The guy looks like Chase's British brother
Brilliant video guys, just brilliant!
Thanks so much, really appreciate your comment :) Cheers Max
This was so fun to watch!
Track looks mega, I'll have to suffer the 3.5 hrs journey up there soon
Great video as usual 👌
Thanks Roger, the track is prime at the moment
What a fun video! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome video!
That track is so smooth!
I don't care about motocross at ALL, but I watched this suggested video on a whim, & it was really fun!
That was an awesome race and test. Great riding from both those two old Gents. 👍👍
Thanks for watching Edward :-) Both of the lads did an awesome job, this was exactly how fun I imagined it would be when we came up with the concept!
@@999lazer Yeah great concept btw. We’ve all heard that theory so it was good to prove it right.
I'd like to see something similar with a WSB spec bike, vs a well-prepped comparable superstock bike. Simon Crafar as the "journalist/pro" on and someone similar to Sean as the skilled amateur. I'd bet you see similar results.
I love old bikes, but I would definitely prefer a new two stroke over an old four stroke!
Both looked smooth. Corner speed and scrubbing looked like it made the difference.
anyone would 😂
@@motomech90 😂 The real question is: would I prefer one Yzilla over 2 new four strokes. Still would!
Great content, these videos are great 👍
Thanks for watching dude, glad you enjoyed it! :-)
The fastest guy in our riding group came out with us one time to our little practice track one day and kicked our asses in a big way. We were all on 250 MX bikes , TM’s a couple Yamahas and one a Bultaco . Mark thought it was quite funny as he smoked us on his Yamaha 250 trials bike :)
subscribed! reminds me of some dirt bike top gear. Thats awesome!! Across the line!!
enduro-rider here many years ago when cc started to be very important,we had(still have) a guy in our club that resisted buying a bigger bike,he ensisted on riding 125cc(and still does) smokes atleat 70% of the other club-riders on the enduro-track,now he is in his 60:ies and still manage to show his enourmous skill and experience on his 125 ,and i think it's hillarious when a younger rider like in his 20:ies on a new 450 comes around ans sees this old guy on a 125 and laughs..2 laps later,the laugh is completley gone and instead they ask "how the hell does he do that???" , offcourse our hometrack and this guy has been riding there for over 40 years,so he knows every root and stone there is
The typo for your sponsor was hilarious.
The "amateur" is no slouch. He can ride really well.
Now I want to see an amatuer on the $20,000 bike and a pro on my 40+ year old Husqvarna WR250.
I hope this video can convince all the people that spend copious amounts of money on bike upgrades and aftermarket parts. It’s not going to make you faster. There’s no substitute for skill and experience. Your best upgrade is your body. Put in the work to go faster!
Reminds me of my cousin who grew up with Mike Eagles who played 853 games in the NHL for a few different teams. He was drafted 116th in 1981. He'd go back to his hometown during the summer and play in the beer league against mostly guys he knew growing up. He was a very average NHL'er who hung on for years on the 4th line. But against guys who were all solid hockey players he was an absolute superstar. He could skate backwards faster than they skated forwards. Talent wins man.
Well, we have to do sports or get a job with the state when we don't know math,---I know.
It is too bad brain activity is not measured in real time for a sport, that would really help with the rest of your life.
We would astound ourselves of what we can do, and what our freedom of thinking can do for mankind.
"If everybody would do the things they are capable of, they would astound themselves." Thomas Edison Or we can do sports.
loved it TWO very fast riders . thanks
Both guys put on a really good show, right? :-D Thanks for watching mark
love watching your stuff thanks . yes both rides were mega . cant stop watching it Max .
@@999lazer
Awesome vid!
Thanks for watching dude
Good show but it wasn't really a question :) I would have been more interested in the lap time differences between cheap bike and expensive bike with the same rider, both amateur and pro.
i was on the edge of my seat...sweaty palms this was epic
Thanks :) glad you enjoyed it.
That was close. Sean is a pretty high end amateur. He was slinging that big 500. Ed is definitely a very good pro rider. A 15 second interval in 3 laps is James Stewart level riding.
Reminds me of the golf videos where the tour pro gets the children's clubs from the pawn shop and the youtube influencer golfer gets the $5000 set. Pro smashes it down the middle %90 the distance of his normal hit and tells you about how impressed he is with the $5 club from 1987.
Love your videos! My first bike was a 1980 CR250 LC and LH kick start was a fun bike!
haha we love a left hand kick start :) Thanks for watching
Didn't expect it ending any other way 😎
I love this!
Wery good video! Sean he was a really good rider! I thought that Ed would pass him after just a lap. If it would been a little ruffer track i think Sean could have tanken the victory. Thanks Max for an very interesting chanel! 👌
Thanks for watching Thomas :)
My father is a former pro mx racer and when he was in his 40s and 50s, he would race vet classes on 125s against bigger bikes all the time and just smoke them on the 125.
awesome segment
Ed taking the 500 out would have made a great finale