The comics are actually a better depiction on what he was doing. The main character's fighting style is more based on Mike Tyson. When he trains the Dempsey roll he actually does the rope drill while moving forward like you have shown. The scenes that look like he is standing still and weaving in the video is actually him moving toward his opponent incorporating head movement (much like Tyson) because he is anticpating a counter. Of course as you said the cartoon is stylized, for dramatic effect. In the comics he is constantly telling himself that he needs to keep his movement tight, sharp and economical. The author was actually very insightful about boxing.
A nice example of bobbing and weaving but its not a "Dempsey roll" AKA double shift. When you are doing your rope drill you stay southpaw the entire time. You didn't shift step once. ruclips.net/video/8O63WmYveRU/видео.html This is the difference. Tyson is shifting with every step. Orthodox to southpaw, southpaw to orthodox, orthodox to southpaw ...
The other funny thing about this show is they make a big deal out of everything. They show real stuff but really exaggerate. Like, "wow the champ has such a good jab no extra movement at all!" Yet any decent boxer learns how to not telegraph a jab. the show acts like it's a high level technique lol.
It's a anime so it's gonna be exaggerated but the uses of the Dempsey Roll through out the series is pretty accurate. Makes sense tho since the writer of the books is a boxing gym owner, coach and former pro boxer in Japan
Yeah like the anti anti anti Dempsey roll? Super accurate right? Haha. For sure it’s more to emulate how fighting feels than displaying something that is realistic or accurate. Ramsey is correct on this. I think the author likes to sprinkle some realism here and there but is concentrated more on entertainment so laymen can enjoy.
I don't deny a lot of it is romaticised stuff. And it is a hilarious comedy and takamura mamoru its master. But it is the way ramsey speaks about it. As if he was already looking down on it before even starting. Also sure with how people irl seem to think of solutions i can see an anti anti anti something being created.
@@chonzen1764 Morikawa is not trying to make his manga a boxing instructional. It is clear most of it is entertainment, especially when you know a little about boxing. It’s to get people excited about the sport, not to teach people how to fight in the ring. To quote Roger Mayweather. Most people don’t know shit about boxing. At all. Period.
i thought at this point he had been fighting for like, 2 years?? is that still considered "new"? (i dont really know much about boxing so i genuinely have no clue)
@biodudezerothree9236 top it off, it's a dangerous short lived sports Do it wrong in training, spar or matches and you are physically damaged, you be lucky to get out with injuries that heal completely. Get against people like Mike Tyson and you get injuries like no other. This is shown in the anime, Ippo has the right idea but no knowledge of the science and medical part and on multiple occasions, tried some unpolished training method and ends up injuring himself
Ramsey you got it right. Ippo is more of how a fight "feels" and not how it actually is. But god bless anyone who thinks how they train or fight in Ippo should be how you train in real life.
Most of the training seems very viable. Not for lardasses that run a mile in a fortnight. Except where he trains by bare knuckle punching tree trunks into the riverbank hills like coach did in his youth. And he even chastised ippo for it before figuring out ippo used a sledgehammer instead of his fists.
if you watch Mike Tyson he often rocks back and forth while no punches come at him in front of his opponent, specially if the oppenent throwas a jab Mike will not only slip once to the outside he will slip two times out of the center line and possibly three times. Of course this is a little bit exagerated but still you should watch the entire anime. Its great and pretty acurate from what I can remember
Ippo is probably one of the more "real" martial arts anime out there (Because honestly it's more similar to sports anime then anything) although that's mostly down to a much more grounded tone, matches don't happen often and in-between that time we not only see characters train but we see their day to day and get to understand them more. Basically the series isn't focused on being a boxing tutorial though it does explain concepts, it more so shows characters and how boxing feels to them with the fights being pay off to development. However I will admit the Dempsey roll looks pretty stupid whenever it shows up though I just assume it to be more an artistic motif then anything.
Now watch how Ippo trained the Gazelle Punch. Dempsey Roll is to my knowledge the only exagerated technique. The author is a big boxing fan and the Gazelle Punch is very accurate to the real one.
@@RamseyDewey to be fair that clip was one of the worst examples. There are many better scenes where he's doing the full figure eight motion and hes constantly evolved and changed it as the series goes on. Also Tyson constantly bobbed back and forth in place even before and exchange and it's not a bad strategy this is how i evade half my punches to get into a close up exchange.
@@RamseyDewey You're right on that. Still, i would highly recommend the series for it's insight on boxing and boxers. It's anime so the movement is often exaggerated, but the thought process behind them tends to be pretty sound. Edit: grammar
Not really, the anime also exaggerates fight strategy, and a lot of the gameplanning and strategy is based on theory rather than reality. And more often than not, the more complex the author tries to make the fight seem in terms of strategy and techniques the more the anime strays from real life. And since it’s an anime, the author does this too often. If you try to incorporate and develop your style and strategy based on this anime, the basic fundamental stuff will be fine but the more complex stuff will get you hurt. Well, you’ll find out when you try it in sparring or in fighting in the amateurs.
@@RamseyDewey I think what's happening is that you're reacting to his exaggerated weaving in the startup, because sure, yeah that's not a dempsey roll, and it's not supposed to be- it's just meant to build anticipation for the viewers (it's supposed to be a special move here after all, gotta build that hype) but the weave and hook barrage after it is what's supposed to be the actual move, and to me, that seems to fall under what you consider a dempsey roll in your videos? But yeah, I hope you could give the series itself a shot in the future though, the training bits in the story regularly inspire me to get out there and train!
Got an embarrassing sparring story I was invited to go watch a recent UFC event (earlier in the year) at a Jeet Kun Do gym that cross trains in a bunch of other things, namely boxing and MMA. Before the show, we were encouraged to spar, lightly of course, and get to know each other. I had been introduced as the baguazhang guy, so I was the anomaly--people were curious but mostly to see if I actually had some good moves. Fast forward to my 3rd sparring sesh with a smaller guy who was a bit older than me, but fresh to all the martial arts stuff. His moves were stiff and he was timid, but he was really interested in learning. We mix it up, and I'm kind of able to land flashy bagua moves on him with no real issue. Then, all of a sudden, HE DOES THE ANIME DEMPSEY ROLL! Now, I knew the way the anime did it was rubbish in actual fighting. I was so stunned to see a man twice my age not only know it, not only do it, BUT CAPITALIZE ON MY SHOCK. By the time I realized I got suckered, a well placed hook (in anime slow mo it felt like) was already too close to slip and I got tagged. I even had an incredulous"...Nooo..." thought as the hook lightly deformed my face. Hajime no Ippo's Dempsey Roll works as a feint if your opponent can't believe what they're seeing. I also learned that I shouldn't just stop fighting when I see bogus behavior. That's how bogus behavior wins 😅😂😂
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y that would've legitimately made me question if he has a bunch of accumulated knowledge about boxing in general, and was just playing me the whole time 😅
Much later in the series (spoilers), ippo actually has to retire from minor brain damage. He gets punch drunk because his style is too reliant on being full of piss and vinegar, this is even foreshadowed early in the series when the Russian coach criticises ippo’s coach for this very issue. Things like this is why I love the series, it’s not just some fantasy or dream, it doesn’t shy away from the harsh realities of combat sports.
The anime exaggerates a lot of things and inaccurately shows a lot of stuff, but the show in general is actually extremely accurate when it comes to boxing, especially when they talk about or demonstrate things in training. You really have to see more of the show to get a better overall feel for how it represents boxing.
The manga is more intricate with how Ippo develops the Dempsey Roll. In the manga, he references Mike Tyson, who in turn took a lot of inspiration from Dempsey himself. The manga also emphasizes Mike Tyson’s influence on the main character.
The anime does aswell, as far as I can remember ^^ However, when you take a scene without its context, of course, you won't have all the clues given throughout the show I hope we get a season 4 some time... Or maybe just have the manga more easily found in France, cause it's a pain in the butt to make the collection, there :/
@@tasoeuwe5727 you could just read it online tbf, it's on some absurd number like 1812 or something at the moment and still looks like it's got at least another thousand to go... But it's getting fun though, if you don't mind spoilers I would love to share lol
actually if you watch Tyson's Dempsey roll he would do something very similar and for the same reason ... he would use his shoulders to hide where his fists where to blindside you for a critical hook punch. Then again Tyson has the same problem dempsey did once he fought someone with a great jab which actually the anime covers pretty well too.
This show is 99% accurate to what boxing is like in real life. My first time sparring a pro boxer was almost scene for scene like Ippo’s first spar with Date. Even down to me actually getting close enough to do my thing, and dude just shrugged me off of him. All i could think was “what?! I thought a pro would be more...graceful. He just shrugged me off with pure force”. Just like Ippo lol
"More of how it feels not how it really is." That's basically is. The author, George Morikawa is actually has some background in the sport as well as a second. You don't underatand the subtleties of anime much like many not knowing much about boxing so I guess he had to reach a compromise between the two.
I thought the exact same thing when I first saw Ippo do the Dempsey roll in Hajime No Ippo. Since I like the series though I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that animating a 2D character bobbing and weaving is a really difficult thing to do.
It's exaggerated to use as more of a special move for the sake of entertainment, it's based of the time Mike Tyson did it, he yes did the Dempsey roll moving in dodge like 1 or 2 punches coming in ending in one hook to knock the guy out. However they chose to use multiple hooks to look cool. And your actually right in your analysis cause later on in the series ( in the manga) when ippo starts fighting higher competition it stopped working and they begged him to stop using it. People kept intercepting him.
He did not do Dempsey rolls, he was train in D'Matos "Peek-a-boo" style which was tailored for a short heavyweight. As a result he had to use more crouching as most of his opponents were taller than him (use your differences to your advantage). Shorter arms = more power in tighter spaces, shorter body = faster to get lower. This wasn't something Tyson did in 1 fight, he did it in sparring, training, fighting, always. If you watch every fight he has every day you will see the D'Mato Peekaboo style in full effect every time.
@@wabbagaming2184 the movement he did is the Dempsey roll ( they are obviously not 1=1 but the general idea is the same) and it made sense they would incorporate such a technique Dempsey was also a bit shorter compared to other heavyweights (unless i miss remember). i know know he did it a lot but the exaggerated version, i have personally only seen him do it once.( ive not watch all tysons fights so i couldn't be sure he did it in the why ippo does it multiple times.) Ippo was based of mike Tyson, the peekaboo style is a combination of techniques, and one of the most used techniques is the dempsey roll. Also wanted to add the Dempsey roll is a common technique for getting in used by shorter fighters.
7:15 the anime deals with that, sorta, if im not mistaken this is very little after the rookie tournament, and he does eventually learn to be more compact (but that is treated as something more high level rather than the absolute basics)
I am happy you finally decided to react to this series, coach. Let me play devil's advocate for a minute, the movement and everything is very exaggerated for aesthetic reasons but the author of the original series is actually a huge boxing fan, he even runs his own boxing gym in Japan. He usually inserts references to actual boxers in the series, like Marvin Hagler, Ricardo Finito López or Razor Ruddock. The protagonist is actually based on Mike Tyson, that's why he uses peek a boo guard mixed with moves like the Dempsey roll and the gazelle punch as if they were some kind of videogame ultra combo. So don't be so harsh coach, japanese cartoons can be very unrealistic but they get people in the gym, this one got me into boxing and into your channel. Also, you should do another reaction for the training montages, I would love to see your actual feedback as a coach on those. Thanks.
The author has actually been a second for world class fighters and his gym frequently produces high level pros. He just wants to make a series that makes people excited about boxing.
He's just bobbing back and forth because the animators had to extend the animation, unlike in the original manga where it's just a bunch of drawings and you can interpret how he moves however you like
In fairness to Ippo, the coach and announcers call it a Dempsey roll, but Ippo had the idea to create this move on his own with no observers, so it's not like he found the Dempsey Roll and poorly executed it in the ring.
Funny thing about this anime is that the author is a boxing coach. Obviously, doesn’t mean that the Dempsey Roll was represented good, but let’s everyone know that the show is authentic
@Ramsey Dewey the aspects of boxing are in the show because the author himself is a boxing coach/trainer the reason it looks like that is for effect anime time is significantly more slower than our time that’s why it looks more exaggerated it’s the same thing just slowed down for people who cant keep up and for entertainment
at least this anime about boxing gets people interested in the sport, maybe find videos like this and learn what the actual moves are like, thats why im here
Fun fact: The writer of the comic this is based on is a boxing corner-man. A lot of the cartoon's exaggeration does not show in the comic. My fellow weebs: feel free to be enraged.
I discovered your channel a couple months ago because I searched "All-Rounder Meguru", and found your video reviewing a fight (a very weak fight compared to others in the manga, I must say!). I thought you were some clickbait fake coach but I immediately was proven wrong, and since then I've really come to like your channel! You've taught me a lot. Thanks for all that! I know it has nothing to do with this video, but it's a comment I had been thinking of making for some time and this video reminded me of that. Also, you really you should make another video about All-Rounder Meguru! There are so many good fights which you would love. Let me know if you're open to the idea and I will gladly provide chapters. God bless you Ramsey.
The later seasons of the “finished Dempsey roll” is much more accurate in my opinion, it shows how he can now stop and go, and do more accurate crosses and jabs that can go back to his guard fast
i think you shouldn't make anime reaction. it seems you are missing the appriciation for the art, otherwise there wouldn't be a negative comment to each and every moment that doesn't add up with reallife.
Those aren’t negative comments. That’s commentary on how the sport of boxing works. You’re one of those “see the glass as half empty” kind of guys, huh?
So it's important to know that in this anime the main character doesn't really know how to box, and really hasn't had good trainers (very realistic, most trainers suck and thus most fighters suck... then you go to a gym where they literally have black belts and championship belts lining the walls... good trainers and coaches matter). At this point he has learned and practiced the "Dempsey Roll" but he's still not very good at it, he's using it just as you said. Later in the series he learns more how to use it more intelligently and does (but this is one of his first fights with it, and one of his first fights period, and in your words "Your first 5-10 fights are gonna suck."... that's what we're seeing here). Just for context.
Awe/nee/may, as the correct pronunciation is, is not a cartoon specifically. Anime is a style of DRAWING, not animation. As a pre-note as I watch this: Hajime No Ippo is not capitalized and it is pronounced as haw/jee/may no ee/ppo (the PP has almost no air release)
Ippo is the main character and he's got a Mike Tyson's power punches, he's short so he uses power punches and to close distance he uses a gazelle punch. The older anime I remember it being more classic though I'd have to check. I'm surprised you didn't comment on sendo his opponent who used the very low and exaggerated smash created and made famous by Razor Ruddock and his cross or x guard by herns. If you see this it's glad you got this clarification. Edit: there's plenty of exaggerations with plenty of wind ups like you said very much.
To be fair to Ippo, at the point he was winding up his punches, his opponent was so out of it that he could've spun his arm around like Popeye and still have landed the punch. I don't think he could've reacted even if he had *literally* said "I am going to punch you now" before doing it. Bas Rutten has an interesting take on loading up punches, that amounts to "just do it too fast for your opponent to react to it", which seemed to work for him but might be of limited utility to people who aren't Bas Rutten.
The author is an actual boxing coach he has multiple fighters in his gym that compete, watch more fights without a preconceived notion, something that makes you look slightly ignorant
2. Alot of coaches like you have a very close minded mindset where they're ego conflicts with their idea of fact, there is no one way for all way of training or fighting or even teaching, you wouldn't call a muay thai fighter wrong for the way they throw their punches because it isn't traditional in your respective sport (example) but it works for all ideas
If this was your first reaction then this fight probably isn't a good representation of how he uses it. This video is however a good culmination of the techs he's learned up until that point. A good starting point would be his first attempt at the dempsey roll, BUT It has become a sort of a meme of "charging" up a barrage of attacks.
No one should've recommended for this guy to review Ippo, almost 2 mins of sermons before he even started, then being sarcastic about a 30 sec clip is so sh*tty. Then another 5 mins of him mis interpreting the what he saw.
Ah, I see. I have committed blasphemy against the church of Japanese cartoons by explaining how boxing works in real life compared to a hyper stylized work of fiction. How truly awful of meZ
@@RamseyDewey Here's a better clip of how Ippo accidentally "discovered" the Dempsey roll because of his short stature. IPPO DEMPSEY ROLL- FIRST TIME - ruclips.net/video/hmH9AtrOrts/видео.html. As with others reply, the anime does show actual rope training you showed in your other clip as well as leg training he needed for the technique and even self damage he done because of improper physical training. Here's a better explanation of the anime: The Real Boxing Techniques of Hajime No Ippo Explained - Review/Breakdown ruclips.net/video/BBEtHjlvz0g/видео.html, Of course this is an anime so everything is more exaggerated.
The movement kinda reminds me more of Joe Frazier's weird head movement trying to get in, but he was advancing while he did this, not like, shaking weirdly.
That's a wrong definition. Cartoons are animation primarily geared towards kids, such Mickey mouse. Animation is a medium not a genre, Japanese anime has its own cartoons, but stuff especially like Hajime no Ippo are not cartoons but proper Mature telivision meant for 16 and above. If you are gonna make a statement at least make a properly informed one.
False. Cartoon, definition: a motion picture using animation techniques to photograph a sequence of drawings rather than real people or objects. Anime, definition: a Japanese cartoon.
the punch starts with the hand, followed through with the arm, body and back and core but yeah this is an anime so things are wildly exaggerated and hyped which makes it hilarious
The dempsey roll he uses is his own variation of it. Just like Mike Tyson, the dempsey roll is different with Jack Dempsey's original dempsey roll. Ippo's dempsey roll use a pendulum like motion to start a motion that lets him rock back and forth, while slowly moving forward, applying pressure to the opponent. The rocking back and forth also dodges punches that are aimed for him, and when Ippo generates enough motion, he would hit the opponent with continuous hooks, while using that motion to throw him around like a toy while hammering his temple. This often knocks the opponent out, and with Ippo's crazy strength it is a good style fit for him
There are some valid techniques and training regiments that are shown in the show that are pretty true to life but given that this is an anime intended for entertainment, various fight moves have to be exaggerated so the lay person to understand what's happening. My personal favorite fight is the one between Ippo and Mashiba. That one is pretty good. The one between Ozama is pretty great too.
This cartoon is definitely ment to convey the "feel" of a fight, not a technique tutorial. And it does that job well. It's the reason why the techniques look ridiculous despite the fact that the writer is a boxing coach and retired pro boxer. Everything is exaggerated as a form of artistic expression. Just remember everyone, cartoons are purely for entertainment and everybody has different tastes.
Only one of the techniques looked ridiculous (Ippos “Dempsey roll”) One of them was technically dangerous (pulling a punch back before striking). The rest looked quite solid.
What do you think of the Dempsey Roll at 4:23? As in can you use a Dempsey Roll's momentum (or more realistically I suppose just a regular hook's momentum), can you use the momentum of things like that to set up another hook/s? Like, can a boxer throw a left hook & use that momentum to swing into the set-up for a right hook? (That many in a row is a bit much of course tho it's hard to tell if they're repeating the same punches multiple times or not, hahaha xD)
I no expert at all, and even I laughed when I saw the cartoon version of the Dempsey roll. I can't recall what anime it was, but one of the characters knew how to box, which you could tell because they would show his footwork when he got into fights. That's something you don't see a lot of in anime fights.
@@RamseyDewey I am sorry meant changing tides ; reversing the situation. In anime, character finds hidden will power or smth like that and wins. Thanks for the reply huge fan. Please look at Baki anime for bullshido and kengan ashura as an anime maybe closest thing to the real mma.
him bobbing back and forth isn't actually happening (at least that's what my impression of it is). It's him mentally preparing himself for the side to side momentum he's going to use for using the dempsey roll. If you see, as he's doing it, the opponent's body is frozen. The movements are all in his head.
I will say, while some of the moves are exaggerated, the training techniques are solid. They work on back and shoulders, lots of fundamentals, and tons of cardio.
Ramsey!!!!! Check out Megalobox next! It may seem stylized and over the top with the "exoskeleton arms" and what not, but the boxing animation is actually extremely solid.
George Morikawa the author of Hajime No Ippo was a boxer before he became a manga writer and is still a trainer. He knows more about boxing than you Ramsey. Yes the anime is exaggerated but the moves he covers are real boxing moves. Each opponent draws from a real boxer and they use the signature technique of that boxer. There is a Tommy Hearns who uses a flicker jab. There is a Razor Ruddick who uses a smash punch.
@@RamseyDewey I dont think he has had any. Lots of lighter weight Japanese and regional titles. He has had quite a few fighters challenge for major belts WBC, WBA, etc. Don't get into the argument of single championship because there are plenty of pictures of Edmind Tarverdyan with his WBC Championship. He probably kisses one of those pictures every night. The point is Morikawa has over 40 years of boxing experience as a fighter and trainer., exclusive to boxing. You are a jack of all trades. Yes he knows more than you about boxing. You have a great broad general knowledge but as to boxing specifically I'm going to go with the trainer with 40+ years of experience.
@@RamseyDewey P.S. A lot of your criticism here comes from a misunderstanding of how Manga becomes Anime. The author doesn't draw the anime. The author draws the Manga and from there will draw the concept art but they never draw a single frame of the anime. That's left up to the animators. The scene where the body is moving back and further the feet don't move the animators are focusing on the body movement and saving time not animating the legs. IRL it would look no different than Tyson drilling with Rooney on his shift steps. As I said before the "Dempsey Roll" isn't bobbing and weaving. Its a double shift. You can bob and weave when doing a double shift but that rolling body movement comes from the shift.
I read the manga exclusively, so seeing the anime for the first time here, I'm severely disappointed. There's a lot less technical finesse on the illustration of movements and techniques. Probably something to do with someone other than the mangaka (who has a pretty substantial personal involvement in boxing) being behind the anime. That said, if memory serves, this was the finale of Ippo's featherweight Japanese title match. If I'm right, this was still earlier on in his development of the Dempsey roll. Who knows, though. This fight was probably chapter 600 or 700 out of, what, 1400? The series is older than I am, and I'm nearing thirty, so it's been a while since I read this.
Its not bobbing and weaving. Its the double shift. Yes you can bob and weave while you double shift but what makes the Dempsey Roll is the double shift step. Orthodox to southpaw, south paw to orthodox back and forth throwing with each shift, that's the Dempsey roll. The constant shifting creates a rolling of the upper body that keeps the head moving offline for defense .
the use of the dempsey in the anime is used more as a momentum for both of the punches, i don't know like anything about boxing but i wanted to say that
LMFAO THAT INTRO Its obvious reactions arent your forté, nothing wrong with that at all. i appreciate your usual content and i feel i take more away from your actions than reactions ;) either way i still enjoyed the video, despite being an offended anime fan 😂🥊
how do all? just finshed studying your pinyata vid, [ 4 y ago ],and noticed your calluses on your palms. i've never seen them on anyone elses but my own when shovelling 80 lb of loom into mould boxes to make brake shoes [ 176 bottoms, plus tops ] at everliegh loco foundry redfern sydney '76 ever morning, and sleeper cutting in two man mill with no mech lifting assist plus logging landing man/relief optr/feller. i salute your stamina, sir ramsey. taztez.
Thank you I had a good belly laugh to just the title alone. This was definitely the worst example the first fight actually goes through the full motion. He’s not doing the regular movement because he’s become notorious for using the technique
Nobody outside of Japan watched Japanese cartoons when I was a kid. I don’t think I ever saw evidence of Japanese cartoons existing until I was a grown man.
@@RamseyDewey are you sure ramsay? In Brazil the japanese cartoons were first televised in the 60s, and only grew until the 90s. I would think the same is true for the US
@@RamseyDewey Here in Germany pretty much every 90s kid grew up with anime but widespread and easy access to internet definitely led to an exponential increase of the popularity of anime.
As far as I know, anime came reaaaally late on America VS the rest of the world. That's why most +30yo americans still think anime is a niche thing/only for kids
I don't know if you noticed it, but his "Dempsey Roll" starts slow and gets faster and faster, and they have the sound of a jet turbine engine spinning up in the background... Anyway, that's why I mix a little aviation fuel into my morning glass of raw eggs.
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The comics are actually a better depiction on what he was doing. The main character's fighting style is more based on Mike Tyson. When he trains the Dempsey roll he actually does the rope drill while moving forward like you have shown. The scenes that look like he is standing still and weaving in the video is actually him moving toward his opponent incorporating head movement (much like Tyson) because he is anticpating a counter.
Of course as you said the cartoon is stylized, for dramatic effect. In the comics he is constantly telling himself that he needs to keep his movement tight, sharp and economical. The author was actually very insightful about boxing.
A famous Tae kwon do move!!!
Taking the p$ss out of anime fans,from a man who likes comic books...lmao,alright ramsey no worries
A nice example of bobbing and weaving but its not a "Dempsey roll" AKA double shift. When you are doing your rope drill you stay southpaw the entire time. You didn't shift step once.
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This is the difference. Tyson is shifting with every step. Orthodox to southpaw, southpaw to orthodox, orthodox to southpaw ...
The other funny thing about this show is they make a big deal out of everything. They show real stuff but really exaggerate. Like, "wow the champ has such a good jab no extra movement at all!" Yet any decent boxer learns how to not telegraph a jab. the show acts like it's a high level technique lol.
It's a anime so it's gonna be exaggerated but the uses of the Dempsey Roll through out the series is pretty accurate. Makes sense tho since the writer of the books is a boxing gym owner, coach and former pro boxer in Japan
Yeah. Honestly it seems Ramsey is too prejudiced against anime and "weebs" like his jokes seem like unveiled insults. It is a real shame.
Yeah like the anti anti anti Dempsey roll? Super accurate right? Haha.
For sure it’s more to emulate how fighting feels than displaying something that is realistic or accurate. Ramsey is correct on this. I think the author likes to sprinkle some realism here and there but is concentrated more on entertainment so laymen can enjoy.
I don't deny a lot of it is romaticised stuff. And it is a hilarious comedy and takamura mamoru its master. But it is the way ramsey speaks about it. As if he was already looking down on it before even starting.
Also sure with how people irl seem to think of solutions i can see an anti anti anti something being created.
@@lakkakka Dont think Ramsey even knows that he author of the manga George Morikawa is a boxing trainer and knows more about boxing than Ramsey.
@@chonzen1764 Morikawa is not trying to make his manga a boxing instructional. It is clear most of it is entertainment, especially when you know a little about boxing. It’s to get people excited about the sport, not to teach people how to fight in the ring.
To quote Roger Mayweather. Most people don’t know shit about boxing. At all. Period.
Finally… coach is watching the GOAT series
Hard to watch the obnoxious voice acting in the sub version and the dub is only limited to season 1.
And mainly because Ramsey on the great boxing depiction is a needed content.
Anyway, Hajime no Ippo was long overdue
@@bricktea3645u dont like the sub?
@@bricktea3645Someone just doesn't like reading..
Ippo is a newcomer up at this point, he gets countered exactly the way you describe in future fights lol
multiple times too
i thought at this point he had been fighting for like, 2 years?? is that still considered "new"? (i dont really know much about boxing so i genuinely have no clue)
@@terminator9195 2 years for a guy to get from absolute armature to world ranker is nothing short of a prodigy.
@biodudezerothree9236 top it off, it's a dangerous short lived sports
Do it wrong in training, spar or matches and you are physically damaged, you be lucky to get out with injuries that heal completely.
Get against people like Mike Tyson and you get injuries like no other.
This is shown in the anime, Ippo has the right idea but no knowledge of the science and medical part and on multiple occasions, tried some unpolished training method and ends up injuring himself
@@terminator9195 Yes a person that has never boxed before 2 yrs is a newbie.
Ramsey you got it right. Ippo is more of how a fight "feels" and not how it actually is.
But god bless anyone who thinks how they train or fight in Ippo should be how you train in real life.
Maybe not fighting but isn't the training fine? I didn't see anything wrong with how ippo trained
*Roadwork!*
I take the Ω train to Mount Olympus
@@darraghmcmullen6205 the crab dash? 🦀
Most of the training seems very viable. Not for lardasses that run a mile in a fortnight.
Except where he trains by bare knuckle punching tree trunks into the riverbank hills like coach did in his youth. And he even chastised ippo for it before figuring out ippo used a sledgehammer instead of his fists.
The best fight in the whole 'Japanese Cartoon'. This series is so much fun, and a pretty good representation of boxing, if not very, very stylised.
if you watch Mike Tyson he often rocks back and forth while no punches come at him in front of his opponent, specially if the oppenent throwas a jab Mike will not only slip once to the outside he will slip two times out of the center line and possibly three times. Of course this is a little bit exagerated but still you should watch the entire anime. Its great and pretty acurate from what I can remember
Exactly
I’m going to start screaming “DEMPSEY ROLLLLLL” from now on when sparring as a form of psychological warfare. Thanks for the video coach ahaha
No no no, you have to say it like, "DEMEPESHI RORUUUUUUUU!"
You mean "DEEEEE'EM PUSSY ROORUUUUU"
Ippo is probably one of the more "real" martial arts anime out there (Because honestly it's more similar to sports anime then anything) although that's mostly down to a much more grounded tone, matches don't happen often and in-between that time we not only see characters train but we see their day to day and get to understand them more.
Basically the series isn't focused on being a boxing tutorial though it does explain concepts, it more so shows characters and how boxing feels to them with the fights being pay off to development.
However I will admit the Dempsey roll looks pretty stupid whenever it shows up though I just assume it to be more an artistic motif then anything.
Now watch how Ippo trained the Gazelle Punch. Dempsey Roll is to my knowledge the only exagerated technique. The author is a big boxing fan and the Gazelle Punch is very accurate to the real one.
It’s not exaggerated, it’s simply NOT a Dempsey roll at all.
@@RamseyDewey yeah but will you wath the gazelle punch for the viewers?
@@RamseyDewey to be fair that clip was one of the worst examples. There are many better scenes where he's doing the full figure eight motion and hes constantly evolved and changed it as the series goes on. Also Tyson constantly bobbed back and forth in place even before and exchange and it's not a bad strategy this is how i evade half my punches to get into a close up exchange.
Sendo's smash is very exaggerated sometimes too, he almost scrapes the floor with his knuckles lmao.
@@RamseyDewey it is a lot more accurately portrayed in the manga and this one was especially a bad example of the anime
To be fair, a lot of your critique falls on the stylisation itself. The serious has a pretty good representation of boxing if you look deeper.
My critique was this: what was presented a the Dempsey roll was not, in fact, a Dempsey roll at all. Not even a little bit.
@@RamseyDewey You're right on that. Still, i would highly recommend the series for it's insight on boxing and boxers. It's anime so the movement is often exaggerated, but the thought process behind them tends to be pretty sound.
Edit: grammar
Not really, the anime also exaggerates fight strategy, and a lot of the gameplanning and strategy is based on theory rather than reality. And more often than not, the more complex the author tries to make the fight seem in terms of strategy and techniques the more the anime strays from real life. And since it’s an anime, the author does this too often.
If you try to incorporate and develop your style and strategy based on this anime, the basic fundamental stuff will be fine but the more complex stuff will get you hurt. Well, you’ll find out when you try it in sparring or in fighting in the amateurs.
@@RamseyDewey I think what's happening is that you're reacting to his exaggerated weaving in the startup, because sure, yeah that's not a dempsey roll, and it's not supposed to be- it's just meant to build anticipation for the viewers (it's supposed to be a special move here after all, gotta build that hype) but the weave and hook barrage after it is what's supposed to be the actual move, and to me, that seems to fall under what you consider a dempsey roll in your videos? But yeah, I hope you could give the series itself a shot in the future though, the training bits in the story regularly inspire me to get out there and train!
Got an embarrassing sparring story
I was invited to go watch a recent UFC event (earlier in the year) at a Jeet Kun Do gym that cross trains in a bunch of other things, namely boxing and MMA. Before the show, we were encouraged to spar, lightly of course, and get to know each other. I had been introduced as the baguazhang guy, so I was the anomaly--people were curious but mostly to see if I actually had some good moves.
Fast forward to my 3rd sparring sesh with a smaller guy who was a bit older than me, but fresh to all the martial arts stuff. His moves were stiff and he was timid, but he was really interested in learning. We mix it up, and I'm kind of able to land flashy bagua moves on him with no real issue. Then, all of a sudden, HE DOES THE ANIME DEMPSEY ROLL!
Now, I knew the way the anime did it was rubbish in actual fighting. I was so stunned to see a man twice my age not only know it, not only do it, BUT CAPITALIZE ON MY SHOCK. By the time I realized I got suckered, a well placed hook (in anime slow mo it felt like) was already too close to slip and I got tagged. I even had an incredulous"...Nooo..." thought as the hook lightly deformed my face.
Hajime no Ippo's Dempsey Roll works as a feint if your opponent can't believe what they're seeing. I also learned that I shouldn't just stop fighting when I see bogus behavior. That's how bogus behavior wins 😅😂😂
Reading this was awesome. 😂 Thanks for sharing. I probably would do the same, as I haven’t trained.
He should've used Aoki's Frog Punch too :)
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y that would've legitimately made me question if he has a bunch of accumulated knowledge about boxing in general, and was just playing me the whole time 😅
So you basically went in your head like: COULD IT BE? IT CAN'T BE! IS THAT.... DEMMMPSHEY RORRU?!!! 😂😂😂
@@CYB3R2K He was like "NANIII!" 🤣
The manga is quite good the author is a big boxing fan, he even buy is own gym
Manga in Greek means Kool guy .
the author was not just a boxing fan, he was an actual coach before making hajime no ippo
Much later in the series (spoilers), ippo actually has to retire from minor brain damage. He gets punch drunk because his style is too reliant on being full of piss and vinegar, this is even foreshadowed early in the series when the Russian coach criticises ippo’s coach for this very issue. Things like this is why I love the series, it’s not just some fantasy or dream, it doesn’t shy away from the harsh realities of combat sports.
The anime exaggerates a lot of things and inaccurately shows a lot of stuff, but the show in general is actually extremely accurate when it comes to boxing, especially when they talk about or demonstrate things in training. You really have to see more of the show to get a better overall feel for how it represents boxing.
The manga is more intricate with how Ippo develops the Dempsey Roll. In the manga, he references Mike Tyson, who in turn took a lot of inspiration from Dempsey himself. The manga also emphasizes Mike Tyson’s influence on the main character.
The anime does aswell, as far as I can remember ^^
However, when you take a scene without its context, of course, you won't have all the clues given throughout the show
I hope we get a season 4 some time... Or maybe just have the manga more easily found in France, cause it's a pain in the butt to make the collection, there :/
@@tasoeuwe5727 In the anime, Ippo develops the Dempsey Roll more organically. In the manga, he does it by referencing Tyson videos
@@HajimeNoJMo okay, I didn't remember it that way ! Thanks for this precision, fellow !
@@tasoeuwe5727 you could just read it online tbf, it's on some absurd number like 1812 or something at the moment and still looks like it's got at least another thousand to go... But it's getting fun though, if you don't mind spoilers I would love to share lol
actually if you watch Tyson's Dempsey roll he would do something very similar and for the same reason ... he would use his shoulders to hide where his fists where to blindside you for a critical hook punch. Then again Tyson has the same problem dempsey did once he fought someone with a great jab which actually the anime covers pretty well too.
The killer of joy, this guy
0:17- 0:37 a great reality check
Yes, but japanese cartoons are still amazing
This show is 99% accurate to what boxing is like in real life.
My first time sparring a pro boxer was almost scene for scene like Ippo’s first spar with Date.
Even down to me actually getting close enough to do my thing, and dude just shrugged me off of him.
All i could think was “what?! I thought a pro would be more...graceful. He just shrugged me off with pure force”. Just like Ippo lol
"A good referee will stop that"
Yeah, good luck finding a good referee in anime.
Never in my life have I been so offended at something I 100% agree with.
"More of how it feels not how it really is."
That's basically is. The author, George Morikawa is actually has some background in the sport as well as a second.
You don't underatand the subtleties of anime much like many not knowing much about boxing so I guess he had to reach a compromise between the two.
I thought the exact same thing when I first saw Ippo do the Dempsey roll in Hajime No Ippo. Since I like the series though I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that animating a 2D character bobbing and weaving is a really difficult thing to do.
It's exaggerated to use as more of a special move for the sake of entertainment, it's based of the time Mike Tyson did it, he yes did the Dempsey roll moving in dodge like 1 or 2 punches coming in ending in one hook to knock the guy out. However they chose to use multiple hooks to look cool.
And your actually right in your analysis cause later on in the series ( in the manga) when ippo starts fighting higher competition it stopped working and they begged him to stop using it. People kept intercepting him.
He did not do Dempsey rolls, he was train in D'Matos "Peek-a-boo" style which was tailored for a short heavyweight. As a result he had to use more crouching as most of his opponents were taller than him (use your differences to your advantage). Shorter arms = more power in tighter spaces, shorter body = faster to get lower. This wasn't something Tyson did in 1 fight, he did it in sparring, training, fighting, always. If you watch every fight he has every day you will see the D'Mato Peekaboo style in full effect every time.
@@wabbagaming2184 the movement he did is the Dempsey roll ( they are obviously not 1=1 but the general idea is the same) and it made sense they would incorporate such a technique Dempsey was also a bit shorter compared to other heavyweights (unless i miss remember).
i know know he did it a lot but the exaggerated version, i have personally only seen him do it once.( ive not watch all tysons fights so i couldn't be sure he did it in the why ippo does it multiple times.)
Ippo was based of mike Tyson, the peekaboo style is a combination of techniques, and one of the most used techniques is the dempsey roll.
Also wanted to add the Dempsey roll is a common technique for getting in used by shorter fighters.
7:15 the anime deals with that, sorta, if im not mistaken this is very little after the rookie tournament, and he does eventually learn to be more compact (but that is treated as something more high level rather than the absolute basics)
I am happy you finally decided to react to this series, coach. Let me play devil's advocate for a minute, the movement and everything is very exaggerated for aesthetic reasons but the author of the original series is actually a huge boxing fan, he even runs his own boxing gym in Japan. He usually inserts references to actual boxers in the series, like Marvin Hagler, Ricardo Finito López or Razor Ruddock. The protagonist is actually based on Mike Tyson, that's why he uses peek a boo guard mixed with moves like the Dempsey roll and the gazelle punch as if they were some kind of videogame ultra combo. So don't be so harsh coach, japanese cartoons can be very unrealistic but they get people in the gym, this one got me into boxing and into your channel.
Also, you should do another reaction for the training montages, I would love to see your actual feedback as a coach on those. Thanks.
The author has actually been a second for world class fighters and his gym frequently produces high level pros. He just wants to make a series that makes people excited about boxing.
Honestly I would love to see your reaction to Miyata character in this anime. Usually doesn't have too many overexaggerated moves or techniques.
Well, it's supposed to be exaggerated, it's a cartoon, it's supposed to be entertainment.
He's just bobbing back and forth because the animators had to extend the animation, unlike in the original manga where it's just a bunch of drawings and you can interpret how he moves however you like
In fairness to Ippo, the coach and announcers call it a Dempsey roll, but Ippo had the idea to create this move on his own with no observers, so it's not like he found the Dempsey Roll and poorly executed it in the ring.
Funny thing about this anime is that the author is a boxing coach. Obviously, doesn’t mean that the Dempsey Roll was represented good, but let’s everyone know that the show is authentic
@Ramsey Dewey the aspects of boxing are in the show because the author himself is a boxing coach/trainer the reason it looks like that is for effect anime time is significantly more slower than our time that’s why it looks more exaggerated it’s the same thing just slowed down for people who cant keep up and for entertainment
They state in the anime that he bobs and weeves to build momentum for the dempsey roll
at least this anime about boxing gets people interested in the sport, maybe find videos like this and learn what the actual moves are like, thats why im here
Fun fact: The writer of the comic this is based on is a boxing corner-man.
A lot of the cartoon's exaggeration does not show in the comic.
My fellow weebs: feel free to be enraged.
I discovered your channel a couple months ago because I searched "All-Rounder Meguru", and found your video reviewing a fight (a very weak fight compared to others in the manga, I must say!). I thought you were some clickbait fake coach but I immediately was proven wrong, and since then I've really come to like your channel! You've taught me a lot. Thanks for all that! I know it has nothing to do with this video, but it's a comment I had been thinking of making for some time and this video reminded me of that.
Also, you really you should make another video about All-Rounder Meguru! There are so many good fights which you would love. Let me know if you're open to the idea and I will gladly provide chapters. God bless you Ramsey.
The later seasons of the “finished Dempsey roll” is much more accurate in my opinion, it shows how he can now stop and go, and do more accurate crosses and jabs that can go back to his guard fast
i think you shouldn't make anime reaction.
it seems you are missing the appriciation for the art, otherwise there wouldn't be a negative comment to each and every moment that doesn't add up with reallife.
Those aren’t negative comments. That’s commentary on how the sport of boxing works. You’re one of those “see the glass as half empty” kind of guys, huh?
So it's important to know that in this anime the main character doesn't really know how to box, and really hasn't had good trainers (very realistic, most trainers suck and thus most fighters suck... then you go to a gym where they literally have black belts and championship belts lining the walls... good trainers and coaches matter). At this point he has learned and practiced the "Dempsey Roll" but he's still not very good at it, he's using it just as you said. Later in the series he learns more how to use it more intelligently and does (but this is one of his first fights with it, and one of his first fights period, and in your words "Your first 5-10 fights are gonna suck."... that's what we're seeing here).
Just for context.
Awe/nee/may, as the correct pronunciation is, is not a cartoon specifically. Anime is a style of DRAWING, not animation. As a pre-note as I watch this: Hajime No Ippo is not capitalized and it is pronounced as haw/jee/may no ee/ppo (the PP has almost no air release)
Thank you so much for this!!! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
The Dempsey Roll is definitely and absolutely 100% effective because it looks cool and I look cool doing it
If my punches were strong enough to make jet engine noises, I'd be world champion.
Ippo is the main character and he's got a Mike Tyson's power punches, he's short so he uses power punches and to close distance he uses a gazelle punch. The older anime I remember it being more classic though I'd have to check.
I'm surprised you didn't comment on sendo his opponent who used the very low and exaggerated smash created and made famous by Razor Ruddock and his cross or x guard by herns. If you see this it's glad you got this clarification.
Edit: there's plenty of exaggerations with plenty of wind ups like you said very much.
The smash punch was used by Razor Ruddock
@@someboi4903 my bad
what did you expect there is not word for subtlety in the japanese language but i do love this anime and yes it is a cartoon which is a catch all term
To be fair to Ippo, at the point he was winding up his punches, his opponent was so out of it that he could've spun his arm around like Popeye and still have landed the punch. I don't think he could've reacted even if he had *literally* said "I am going to punch you now" before doing it.
Bas Rutten has an interesting take on loading up punches, that amounts to "just do it too fast for your opponent to react to it", which seemed to work for him but might be of limited utility to people who aren't Bas Rutten.
Bro is triggered by watching an anime 😂
The name Dempsey sounds a bit like an amalgam of Ramsey Dewy
The author is an actual boxing coach he has multiple fighters in his gym that compete, watch more fights without a preconceived notion, something that makes you look slightly ignorant
2. Alot of coaches like you have a very close minded mindset where they're ego conflicts with their idea of fact, there is no one way for all way of training or fighting or even teaching, you wouldn't call a muay thai fighter wrong for the way they throw their punches because it isn't traditional in your respective sport (example) but it works for all ideas
That’s a lot of mental gymnastics to justify a bad representation of the Dempsey roll.
If this was your first reaction then this fight probably isn't a good representation of how he uses it. This video is however a good culmination of the techs he's learned up until that point. A good starting point would be his first attempt at the dempsey roll, BUT It has become a sort of a meme of "charging" up a barrage of attacks.
No one should've recommended for this guy to review Ippo, almost 2 mins of sermons before he even started, then being sarcastic about a 30 sec clip is so sh*tty. Then another 5 mins of him mis interpreting the what he saw.
Ah, I see. I have committed blasphemy against the church of Japanese cartoons by explaining how boxing works in real life compared to a hyper stylized work of fiction. How truly awful of meZ
@@RamseyDewey Here's a better clip of how Ippo accidentally "discovered" the Dempsey roll because of his short stature. IPPO DEMPSEY ROLL- FIRST TIME - ruclips.net/video/hmH9AtrOrts/видео.html. As with others reply, the anime does show actual rope training you showed in your other clip as well as leg training he needed for the technique and even self damage he done because of improper physical training.
Here's a better explanation of the anime: The Real Boxing Techniques of Hajime No Ippo Explained - Review/Breakdown ruclips.net/video/BBEtHjlvz0g/видео.html,
Of course this is an anime so everything is more exaggerated.
The movement kinda reminds me more of Joe Frazier's weird head movement trying to get in, but he was advancing while he did this, not like, shaking weirdly.
Hajime No Ippo is perhaps the greatest love letter to boxing in existence.
Try reading it, as it's truly exceptional.
That's a wrong definition. Cartoons are animation primarily geared towards kids, such Mickey mouse. Animation is a medium not a genre, Japanese anime has its own cartoons, but stuff especially like Hajime no Ippo are not cartoons but proper Mature telivision meant for 16 and above. If you are gonna make a statement at least make a properly informed one.
False.
Cartoon, definition: a motion picture using animation techniques to photograph a sequence of drawings rather than real people or objects.
Anime, definition: a Japanese cartoon.
the punch starts with the hand, followed through with the arm, body and back and core
but yeah this is an anime so things are wildly exaggerated and hyped which makes it hilarious
An interesting fact: The green spot in their eye means that they still have energy/stamina/strength.
People were waiting for the JCVD dance, and we just got a preview!
The dempsey roll he uses is his own variation of it. Just like Mike Tyson, the dempsey roll is different with Jack Dempsey's original dempsey roll. Ippo's dempsey roll use a pendulum like motion to start a motion that lets him rock back and forth, while slowly moving forward, applying pressure to the opponent. The rocking back and forth also dodges punches that are aimed for him, and when Ippo generates enough motion, he would hit the opponent with continuous hooks, while using that motion to throw him around like a toy while hammering his temple. This often knocks the opponent out, and with Ippo's crazy strength it is a good style fit for him
@4:48 "Blast energy beams out of his butt" 💀💀💀
Anime is liturally how japanese people says animation. Animation-> animeshun-> anime
Ironically I think Ramsey would be one of the people that appreciate this show if he actually started watching it
Hey coach, this was great. Can you do Megalobox next?
There are some valid techniques and training regiments that are shown in the show that are pretty true to life but given that this is an anime intended for entertainment, various fight moves have to be exaggerated so the lay person to understand what's happening. My personal favorite fight is the one between Ippo and Mashiba. That one is pretty good. The one between Ozama is pretty great too.
You look like Agent 47.
Also, you should react to the Hajime no Ippo game, like all the special finishers. Want your takes on those.
I think they were trying to do the Mike Tyson’s Dempsey roll. Just wasn’t animated correctly. It’s suppose to be moving forward.
This cartoon is definitely ment to convey the "feel" of a fight, not a technique tutorial. And it does that job well. It's the reason why the techniques look ridiculous despite the fact that the writer is a boxing coach and retired pro boxer. Everything is exaggerated as a form of artistic expression. Just remember everyone, cartoons are purely for entertainment and everybody has different tastes.
Only one of the techniques looked ridiculous (Ippos “Dempsey roll”) One of them was technically dangerous (pulling a punch back before striking). The rest looked quite solid.
if he were using the Dempsey roll irl it woulda take a second for him to be ready they just make it look like this so we can actually view it
What do you think of the Dempsey Roll at 4:23? As in can you use a Dempsey Roll's momentum (or more realistically I suppose just a regular hook's momentum), can you use the momentum of things like that to set up another hook/s?
Like, can a boxer throw a left hook & use that momentum to swing into the set-up for a right hook? (That many in a row is a bit much of course tho it's hard to tell if they're repeating the same punches multiple times or not, hahaha xD)
Who's your favourite mma fighter?and why please?
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@@RamseyDewey thank you Bro
Finally i can die in peace now
I love these Chinese boxing cartoons
Hahahahaha!
Or as they say in Chinese: 哈哈哈哈哈！
Most of the drama from this series comes from the referees being awful. Very dramatic and entertaining though!
Those are both subjective matters.
@@markb6679 cool
I no expert at all, and even I laughed when I saw the cartoon version of the Dempsey roll.
I can't recall what anime it was, but one of the characters knew how to box, which you could tell because they would show his footwork when he got into fights. That's something you don't see a lot of in anime fights.
The best representation would have been the first Dempsey Roll.
Would you consider doing a mukbang show?
No.
For someone who doesn't watch Japanese cartoons Ramsey gives very specific examples how the fight can change waves and ends.
Change waves and ends? What does that mean?
@@RamseyDewey I am sorry meant changing tides ; reversing the situation. In anime, character finds hidden will power or smth like that and wins. Thanks for the reply huge fan. Please look at Baki anime for bullshido and kengan ashura as an anime maybe closest thing to the real mma.
Not gonna lie, the rocking back and forth kinda reminds me of joe frazier. Even tho exaggerated
Hajime no Ippo started in 1989, that's hard these days, I myself start reading it 20 years ago.
*Ramsay Dewey reads the Anime* would be a wonderful playlist section to add : )
"Kids like these days" 22 years old anime.
Time to aknowledge that some kids that watched anime are now grandparents
To be fair even though it couldn't be realistic ippo did break his ribs and hit his chin directly so he could've been dazed
him bobbing back and forth isn't actually happening (at least that's what my impression of it is). It's him mentally preparing himself for the side to side momentum he's going to use for using the dempsey roll. If you see, as he's doing it, the opponent's body is frozen. The movements are all in his head.
Ryoichi Tamura, japan boxing champion(idk if hes still a champ) actualy trains in Joji Morikawa(hajime no ippo's mangaka) gym
I will say, while some of the moves are exaggerated, the training techniques are solid. They work on back and shoulders, lots of fundamentals, and tons of cardio.
I don’t know, man. I definitely hear jet engine sounds when I bob and weave.
Ramsey!!!!! Check out Megalobox next! It may seem stylized and over the top with the "exoskeleton arms" and what not, but the boxing animation is actually extremely solid.
George Morikawa the author of Hajime No Ippo was a boxer before he became a manga writer and is still a trainer. He knows more about boxing than you Ramsey. Yes the anime is exaggerated but the moves he covers are real boxing moves. Each opponent draws from a real boxer and they use the signature technique of that boxer. There is a Tommy Hearns who uses a flicker jab. There is a Razor Ruddick who uses a smash punch.
Knows more about boxing than me? That’s a bold claim. How many WBC champions has he trained? If the answer is zero, then hahahahahahahahaha!
@@RamseyDewey I dont think he has had any. Lots of lighter weight Japanese and regional titles. He has had quite a few fighters challenge for major belts WBC, WBA, etc.
Don't get into the argument of single championship because there are plenty of pictures of Edmind Tarverdyan with his WBC Championship. He probably kisses one of those pictures every night.
The point is Morikawa has over 40 years of boxing experience as a fighter and trainer., exclusive to boxing. You are a jack of all trades. Yes he knows more than you about boxing.
You have a great broad general knowledge but as to boxing specifically I'm going to go with the trainer with 40+ years of experience.
@@RamseyDewey P.S. A lot of your criticism here comes from a misunderstanding of how Manga becomes Anime. The author doesn't draw the anime. The author draws the Manga and from there will draw the concept art but they never draw a single frame of the anime. That's left up to the animators. The scene where the body is moving back and further the feet don't move the animators are focusing on the body movement and saving time not animating the legs. IRL it would look no different than Tyson drilling with Rooney on his shift steps. As I said before the "Dempsey Roll" isn't bobbing and weaving. Its a double shift. You can bob and weave when doing a double shift but that rolling body movement comes from the shift.
Check out episode 1 where Ippo learns how to throw a right hand properly
I read the manga exclusively, so seeing the anime for the first time here, I'm severely disappointed. There's a lot less technical finesse on the illustration of movements and techniques. Probably something to do with someone other than the mangaka (who has a pretty substantial personal involvement in boxing) being behind the anime.
That said, if memory serves, this was the finale of Ippo's featherweight Japanese title match. If I'm right, this was still earlier on in his development of the Dempsey roll. Who knows, though. This fight was probably chapter 600 or 700 out of, what, 1400? The series is older than I am, and I'm nearing thirty, so it's been a while since I read this.
Its not bobbing and weaving. Its the double shift. Yes you can bob and weave while you double shift but what makes the Dempsey Roll is the double shift step. Orthodox to southpaw, south paw to orthodox back and forth throwing with each shift, that's the Dempsey roll. The constant shifting creates a rolling of the upper body that keeps the head moving offline for defense .
should react to their training regiments
the use of the dempsey in the anime is used more as a momentum for both of the punches, i don't know like anything about boxing but i wanted to say that
I personally just call it an anime because of how annoying it is to say Japanese cartoon and because everyone gets angry if I say a cartoon
LMFAO THAT INTRO
Its obvious reactions arent your forté, nothing wrong with that at all. i appreciate your usual content and i feel i take more away from your actions than reactions ;)
either way i still enjoyed the video, despite being an offended anime fan 😂🥊
Ippo hajime is the best motivation movie for a fighter
how do all? just finshed studying your pinyata vid, [ 4 y ago ],and noticed your calluses on your palms. i've never seen them on anyone elses but my own when shovelling 80 lb of loom into mould boxes to make brake shoes [ 176 bottoms, plus tops ] at everliegh loco foundry redfern sydney '76 ever morning, and sleeper cutting in two man mill with no mech lifting assist plus logging landing man/relief optr/feller. i salute your stamina, sir ramsey. taztez.
Thank you I had a good belly laugh to just the title alone. This was definitely the worst example the first fight actually goes through the full motion. He’s not doing the regular movement because he’s become notorious for using the technique
"These days". Anime is 70 years old by now, but I know you were kidding anyway ^_^
Nobody outside of Japan watched Japanese cartoons when I was a kid. I don’t think I ever saw evidence of Japanese cartoons existing until I was a grown man.
@@RamseyDewey are you sure ramsay? In Brazil the japanese cartoons were first televised in the 60s, and only grew until the 90s. I would think the same is true for the US
@@RamseyDewey Here in Germany pretty much every 90s kid grew up with anime but widespread and easy access to internet definitely led to an exponential increase of the popularity of anime.
Same in italy. My generation is literally grown with japanese cartoons
As far as I know, anime came reaaaally late on America VS the rest of the world. That's why most +30yo americans still think anime is a niche thing/only for kids
I don't know if you noticed it, but his "Dempsey Roll" starts slow and gets faster and faster, and they have the sound of a jet turbine engine spinning up in the background... Anyway, that's why I mix a little aviation fuel into my morning glass of raw eggs.