@@johnmarshall3903 Yeah, I'll always be an Ace fan, I have been since I was a kid in the 70s, but Bruce is great, and I hate to say it, but perhaps a more innovative player.
Do you think if Ace and Peter got changed their minds, that they would put on the Nake up along with Tommy and Eric? So, that would make it 2 Aces and 2 Peter cats.
@@rirchardrubio5621 Gene said recently that they're welcome to come to the final show, and he's personally invited them more than once, but they can't wear the makeup because they gave up that right when they quit the band a second time. So don't hold your breath!
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn thank you for that information. Was not sure how that was going to work. So maybe Paul and Gene on make-up and Ace and Peter without.
They’re trying to bury the non-makeup era. Also….Bruce is too mature and adult. They’d rather behave like children, and only deal with the most obnoxious members from Kisstory. 😆
Bruce stated in some comments on his Facebook page that Paul & Gene didn’t invite him to play. It’s really unfortunate, as far as raw skill goes, he’s the best guitarist Kiss has had.
@@paulthomasbranda7591 apparently someone isn't keeping up on the latest news, Peter can't play a full song, he falls off of his seat behind the drums, ace only goes if the money is right, ace has an insurance issue to deal with, neither can be trusted to show up and do the assigned contracts, vinnie won't be allowed to perform, that leaves only Bruce who still is friends with the band, Bruce of the band member not to sue kiss, burn the same bridge enough times, it no longer works, as a member of the KISS ARMY, I support the current line up
We all know what the right thing to do is… bring back Peter, Ace, Vinnie and Bruce! Vinnie could come out and play COTN & Lick it Up, Bruce can play Tears are Falling and Forever(the best solo EVER!)… Peter and Ace can come out and play Shock Me, Beth and finish with Rock n Roll All Nite!
Vinnie is not only a recluse who never leaves his house, but he's done with the drama KISS brings. He learned his lesson after Lick It Up. Too bad, Creatures was a great album
U got that right.! This may be the look n lineup for a very long time but if all 4 of them are together. Eric n Tommy need to be off stage.! Then maybe do a this is where it all began then introduce Peter n Ace in makeup.! The roar would prove who's boss.!! But that will NEVER happen.!
@tjohnmarshall. No it won't. But we know the facts. Gene n Paul do too.! I get it but there is a way better way to handle this. People are saying that their going to show up. That would create alot of attention.! But it's over anyway. I'm horrified about the couple killed on the way to the Toronto show.! That n Paul being sick really took hold on me. Glad Paul performed in Indy. RIP to the couple n prayers for their families. Fan 4 life. Rock On John.
I always think, where would Eric Carr fit in all this if he hadn't passed away. I never knew him or met him, but being a huge fan of his era, I do miss him.
@@trusso11783 Yeah, I guess after the wheels fell off with peter, I would hope they would have called him back. With the Fox make-up. I don't think he would have done it as the cat
Without Vinnie Vincent we wouldn't have the Lick it Up and Creatures of the Night album he did Riffs and leads on I always love his Guitar Riffs in the albums but if they don't want Vinnie on the Stage that's on Gene and Paul it's ashamed we can't see former members perform their last tour my question is Why didnt they Ask and invite Bruce Kulick to the end of the world tour
Gene gives Vinnie credit but at the same time. Vinnie Vincent was the impetus for "Psycho Circus" ! Plus they don`t want to turn their show into a full on drag show. 🤣 I agree Bruce should be there and they should do a couple makeup-less era songs.
don’t think LIU and COTN are all that great… in fact they’re rubbish! Kiss lost it before Unmasked! Ace’s songs were a fun listen but the rest are awful. Kiss fans are loyal and that’s awesome but loyal to a fault. Not awesome 😊
They`ll all be there,but Ace and Peter will be onstage with`em....guaranteed.....Vinnie`s kinda rescued the boys....twice,so,yeah,I see him included somehow..........Kulick`s the guy,as far as I`m concerned--kept his mouth shut,played the "Tree" onstage,for a meaty part of KISStory and(Ace was my favorite,growing up,so don`t throw anything)arguably the best guitarist KISS ever had....It`ll be very interesting to see what`s gonna happen in the coming weeks,and it`s NO accident that it`s ending like this--keeps `em in the headlines and isn`t THAT how every band wants to go out???
Not surprised vinnie pretty much died to Paul. Im 100% they haven’t spoken since vinnie left. If paul barely talks to peter to whom he drags just about every week on his drug and alcohol abuse there no way he would want to see vinnie
I would much rather see Bruce Kulick than Vinnie. This is just going off of videos of Vinnie playing recently. But having all living members past and present would be awesome TBH. Have like a 6 song encore, with these members separately.
I am 52 years old and have been a KISS fan since I was 5. Lifelong KISS Army! I was also born a male. A little over two years ago I discovered my true self and started taking hormones. For the first time in my life I truly love myself and have found true happiness and peace in my heart. I am proud to be transgender. Vinnie if you are transgender or identify somewhere in the LGBTQ rainbow you are not alone. I support you 1 million percent! Rock on Vinnie!
Thank you for admitting your mental illness. I think you are a activist posing but ... Vinnie Vincent was the impetus for "Psycho Circus" ! Plus they don`t want to turn their show into a full on drag show. 🤣
I wonder how many of you haters who love KISS and other bands like Poison, Motley Crue, Ratt, and other bands like them where men wear makeup but now you hate men who wear makeup. A lot of the bands back then would be considered drag performers by today's standards.
Just a Thought, If Ace and Peter were scheduled to make a cameo appearance or jam on a track then why would KISS announce it ? Wouldnt that be Anti Climatic ? This could be a Page out of The WWE playbook as scripted theater to maximize the shock of the moment. Just a thought
Not trying to be argumentative, but do you not know Gene??? There is no way he would pass up the money making opportunities of having Ace and Peter playing with them. He would miss out on $$$$ by hiding the original 4 together again. There's a reason Gene is worth $400 million+
He did not help them " come back" at all. Yes. He was a great songwriter, and contributed to some of their most popular albums post- originals. But , Creatures and Revenge both went nowhere at release and the tours didn't sell well. Hence the removal of the makeup after Creatures, and the return of the makeup after Revenge
@@michaelracicot233 I disagree . Vinnie came around at a time when KISS WAS BASICALLY DEAD. Their schtick was no longer working . At least in the biggest market , THE U.S. THIS IS why the CREATURES TOUR WAS A UNITED STATES FAILURE. They played one of their biggest shows ever in RIO during the creatures era. At the time a guitar hero , which was A POPULAR ASSET back in the day, WAS NEEDED.AND VINNIE FILLED THAT VOID. GENE and PAUL have never liked being over-shadowed and Vinnie's talent was eclipsing them to a degree. (see also Mark St. John) You pretty much agreed with me unknowingly when you said VINNIE WROTE GREAT SONGS AND CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR MOST POPULAR POST-ORIGINALS albums. THERE YOU GO. CASE CLOSED. 😉
@@johnmarshall3903 I found out on the KSHE 95 the day of the concert in Feb of 83. First day I saw his ridiculous makeup. There were 2,900 people there. The Plasmatics opened. It was a sad experience that day since Ace was my favorite.
@@kevinstrong8265 Same here, they completely promoted the concert like Ace was still there. We had no internet then, or any way to spread the word fast that a scab took Ace's job. It did not go over with the crowd at all.
Thanks for clearing that up, finally! Why, I thought KISS is currently playing the entirety of the Lick It Up LP followed by...the Lick It Up LP, again. Poor Peter will probably have trouble - not being familiar with the songs. Ha I'm kidding! I hope!
"Didn't sign his employment contract" sounds like total bs to me. Gene and Paul are very sharp business men. There is NO way they allowed Vinnie to be as involved with KISS in the studio, on tour, in videos, etc... for all that time without signed agreements in place. I think there is probably a whole other scenario to all of what happened that we may never know.
Gene's an absolute tosser, but I wouldn't let Vinnie come back either. Nobody in the business has burned more personal and professional bridges than Vinnie. Maybe he could look after the band members' dogs while they're onstage. Oh, wait.......
Vinnie has admitted in interviews that he refused to sign a contract. He has admitted it was because he felt he was potentially not getting as much as he could or being viewed as some lowly employee. I'm not a fan of Gene Simmons at all, but in this case their stories match so there's nothing to debate when it comes to perspectives or "2 sides of the story". The contents of the contract are a different subject - he refused to sign it and that was a stipulation so he's not a part of Kiss.
If it had just been Paul who said "No Vinnie" I'd be like eh whatever, because Paul is cattier than all nine of Peter's lives combined. But I don't think I've ever heard ANYONE say anything nice about Vinnie beyond "great guitarist."
I think Vinnie is very talented, he wrote some great songs with Kiss. I do feel he’s a troubled guy though. He seems to cause problems for Kiss and I don’t blame Gene one bit for his statements about him. I’d say thanks but no thanks 😂
You guys, they wont be back. It will be a nightmare to organize. Peter and Ace and will resort to attorneys and managers.... exactly what they did the day of the MTV reunion. Its a headache that Gene Paul and Doc McGhee dont want to deal with. I feel bad for the fans who think its easy and as simple as "hey come and jam a few songs...heres Shock Me!" Or "Hooligan" (lol) its not gonna happen. Theres massive egos and legal litigation that comes with it. Why would the Kiss company want to risk a mighty train wreck on the supposed final shows of thier career? Not happening. Im gonna get hate from the radical Ace and Peter fans who refuse to believe our heroes are anything but invincible, but the truth is Ace and Peter could never pull off an unreheasred impromptu jam. Maybe 20 years ago...maybe? The only member that is professional enough to come onstage with no ego, no lawyers, and with all his skills intact, is Bruce Kulick. In fact im sure hes the gonna be the only ex Kiss member at those shows whether he plays or not. The truth hurts i know. But after dec 3, youll see that i am right.
Totally agree with you about Bruce, he's the real deal. But I don't want to see an impromptu jam. I just want to see the original 4 do Duece or something one last time
Why in the world would they even consider bringing Vinnie back for anything? He was only with them for a very short stint. They obviously didn’t get along with him. And he’s a friggin’ weirdo.
Probably didn’t want him back for 2 reasons 1 he was a nobody to kiss especially Paul and gene 2 he’s a transgender and could you imagine how embarrassed kiss would be to have him on stage as she man lmao Kiss would not want to even answer to any comments on vinnie. It would be humiliating for them and the KISS Army ….
Bruce was never asked to continue and do Ace's part. Bruce has said it himself. Tommy was the obvious choice. He has worked for the KISS organization for 30+ years. He was in a KISS tribute band before that as Ace and already knew the songs and all the moves. If you were offered the job of imitating Ace every night on stage and get paid for it, would you say no?
I was a life long fan of the band until Gene called me his enemy. I havent spent a dime on them since. I used to think they were heroes, now I know they are just sheep.
But it was okay to use Vinnie to sell those f*cking vaults right? Why would ace and Peter do it if they know tommy and Eric are wearing the makeup? This whole farewell thing is a joke. Paul and Gene have turned into bitter old men rehashing the same old crappy tired stories to justify why they don't want ace and Peter around .
Personally, I think Vinnie Vincent is an absolute half-baked crackpot at this point, but be that as it may, Gene and Paul are known for screwing-over the other band members financially.
They should just do it for the fans. We know Paul and Gene won't pay, but Ace and Peter should just do it (for free) for the fans. Too much pride and ego
Agreed, but Gene and Paul are worth over 200 million apiece. You cant take it with you. Shell out a couple hundred grand and go out with class. Your loyal fans from the 70's deserve that. And give Bruce a nice check too, he put a long decade of faithful service to the band.
And Bruce just keeps cruisin' along being Bruce, not bitchin', not cryin', just getting on with life and being a cool dude.
A class act and great player for sure and this is coming from a big Ace fan. Thanks Bruce, dont ever change!
@@johnmarshall3903 Yeah, I'll always be an Ace fan, I have been since I was a kid in the 70s, but Bruce is great, and I hate to say it, but perhaps a more innovative player.
Do you think if Ace and Peter got changed their minds, that they would put on the Nake up along with Tommy and Eric? So, that would make it 2 Aces and 2 Peter cats.
@@rirchardrubio5621 Gene said recently that they're welcome to come to the final show, and he's personally invited them more than once, but they can't wear the makeup because they gave up that right when they quit the band a second time. So don't hold your breath!
@@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn thank you for that information. Was not sure how that was going to work. So maybe Paul and Gene on make-up and Ace and Peter without.
Is there something about Bruce ? I think he's probably the only one with whom there could be an agreement for the last show
Right?
They’re trying to bury the non-makeup era. Also….Bruce is too mature and adult. They’d rather behave like children, and only deal with the most obnoxious members from Kisstory. 😆
he's currently a member of Grand Funk Railroad.
But they that wouldn't interfere with this
Bruce stated in some comments on his Facebook page that Paul & Gene didn’t invite him to play. It’s really unfortunate, as far as raw skill goes, he’s the best guitarist Kiss has had.
Bruce is the type to do it for free.
Would be great to see Bruce perform at the final concerts
If Peter and Ace were in the band they could have had MULTIPLE final nights at Madison Square Garden where it all began for me in ‘79!!!!!!!!
Agreed, he's a class act and was the first solid player they had after Ace left. And he wasn't a clone either.
@@paulthomasbranda7591 apparently someone isn't keeping up on the latest news, Peter can't play a full song, he falls off of his seat behind the drums, ace only goes if the money is right, ace has an insurance issue to deal with, neither can be trusted to show up and do the assigned contracts, vinnie won't be allowed to perform, that leaves only Bruce who still is friends with the band, Bruce of the band member not to sue kiss, burn the same bridge enough times, it no longer works, as a member of the KISS ARMY, I support the current line up
Agreed! Fantastic player but as important, always handled himself with class...
We all know what the right thing to do is… bring back Peter, Ace, Vinnie and Bruce! Vinnie could come out and play COTN & Lick it Up, Bruce can play Tears are Falling and Forever(the best solo EVER!)… Peter and Ace can come out and play Shock Me, Beth and finish with Rock n Roll All Nite!
Totally agree on Forever
In a perfect world
Yep, why not make that final show the biggest disaster in the history of KISS
Don't care about Vinny, his time was brief. Bruce was a much more valuable member of Kiss history
The fans want all of them to be on that tour. I have spoken.
Vinnie is not only a recluse who never leaves his house, but he's done with the drama KISS brings. He learned his lesson after Lick It Up.
Too bad, Creatures was a great album
It won’t be a true reunion til they get Black Ace on stage!
I wouldn't walk as far as my driveway to see that final show for free without Ace there
Lol
@@johnmarshall3903👍💯
😀😀😀😀😀😀
Ace and Peter said NO because they were also told they wont be allowed to wear the makeup. Gene and Paul are not that up front about things are they.
Exactly. That would be a huge slap in the face to the real spaceman and catman. Standing on a stage looking at your imposters.
They lie as much if not more (especially Gene) than Ace or Peter. Anyone they work with they screw. Poor Bruce. The nicest guy ever in KISS.
U got that right.! This may be the look n lineup for a very long time but if all 4 of them are together. Eric n Tommy need to be off stage.! Then maybe do a this is where it all began then introduce Peter n Ace in makeup.! The roar would prove who's boss.!! But that will NEVER happen.!
@@raymorrow170 The roar would be deafening, but like you said, it will never happen
@tjohnmarshall. No it won't. But we know the facts. Gene n Paul do too.! I get it but there is a way better way to handle this. People are saying that their going to show up. That would create alot of attention.! But it's over anyway. I'm horrified about the couple killed on the way to the Toronto show.! That n Paul being sick really took hold on me. Glad Paul performed in Indy. RIP to the couple n prayers for their families. Fan 4 life. Rock On John.
I always think, where would Eric Carr fit in all this if he hadn't passed away. I never knew him or met him, but being a huge fan of his era, I do miss him.
He would have been let go in 1996 and asked back in 2003. There would never be an Eric Singer
@@trusso11783 Yeah, I guess after the wheels fell off with peter, I would hope they would have called him back. With the Fox make-up. I don't think he would have done it as the cat
Without Vinnie Vincent we wouldn't have the Lick it Up and Creatures of the Night album he did Riffs and leads on I always love his Guitar Riffs in the albums but if they don't want Vinnie on the Stage that's on Gene and Paul it's ashamed we can't see former members perform their last tour my question is Why didnt they Ask and invite Bruce Kulick to the end of the world tour
Gene gives Vinnie credit but at the same time. Vinnie Vincent was the impetus for "Psycho Circus" ! Plus they don`t want to turn their show into a full on drag show. 🤣 I agree Bruce should be there and they should do a couple makeup-less era songs.
Can vinnie still play?
yes he can like he always had
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don’t think LIU and COTN are all that great… in fact they’re rubbish! Kiss lost it before Unmasked! Ace’s songs were a fun listen but the rest are awful. Kiss fans are loyal and that’s awesome but loyal to a fault. Not awesome 😊
@@musicman9128 im a Fan of KISS there is no Old or New KISS Just KISS I will love the original and new members
The beginning had like a dozen KISS song titles. Well done. You deserve a Cold Gin
Space ACE is King. No KISS without Ace. It's the Gene and Paulie show.
BRUCE KULICK BEST KISS GUITAR PLAYER🤩
They`ll all be there,but Ace and Peter will be onstage with`em....guaranteed.....Vinnie`s kinda rescued the boys....twice,so,yeah,I see him included somehow..........Kulick`s the guy,as far as I`m concerned--kept his mouth shut,played the "Tree" onstage,for a meaty part of KISStory and(Ace was my favorite,growing up,so don`t throw anything)arguably the best guitarist KISS ever had....It`ll be very interesting to see what`s gonna happen in the coming weeks,and it`s NO accident that it`s ending like this--keeps `em in the headlines and isn`t THAT how every band wants to go out???
Lmao!!! Vinnie rescued the boys bahahaha😂😂😂
Vinnie rescued the boys 😂😂😂😂
Thanks for the giggle 🤣🤣🤣
Vinnie needs money for his transition surgery,lol
What about Bruce??
I’m surprised Bruce Kulick hasn’t showed up a few times?
I guess he knows sonething that Ace and Peter know.
Like a couple other guys said nothing has been said about Bruce. Only one left to invite.
I love gene and Vinnie i hope to meet them some day
They have met before lol
When Gene was on his tour selling a Kiss book, he reunited with Bruce, Ace and Peter and Vinnie Vincent
i wish i was there@@Psypher169
Better hurry...their time is getting short.
i know i hope to meet gene when i se kiss live@@nileswillis7992
vinny or virginia?
At this rate, the last show is going to be like every other show they’ve ever played. It’s unfortunate really.
You were right
The most overrated band in history, all those theatrics and pyrotechnics for nothing
All of you think the Farewell/End of the Road tour is coming to a Close soon. However Gene has Tour dates mapped out to 2030.
What’s the concert/video at 1:35?
It's from Kiss Meets The Phantom Of The Park
Vinnie yes, ace and Peter no, Bruce🤔
wait til last show 😎👏👍
Love the kiss meets the phantom footage 🤘
Lick It Up was KISS's best album.
It is a badass album
Not surprised vinnie pretty much died to Paul. Im 100% they haven’t spoken since vinnie left. If paul barely talks to peter to whom he drags just about every week on his drug and alcohol abuse there no way he would want to see vinnie
14 times 😮
Paul and Gene are crazy to put Ace on stage with them. He has been forgetting his guitar parts regularly during his shows.
I would much rather see Bruce Kulick than Vinnie. This is just going off of videos of Vinnie playing recently. But having all living members past and present would be awesome TBH. Have like a 6 song encore, with these members separately.
Bruce never wore makeup and no one ever wore vinnies but him/her but yeah bring a guy onstage that has sued you multiple times
So Gene has invited Vivian Vincent to join the Neverending Farewell Tour.
I am 52 years old and have been a KISS fan since I was 5. Lifelong KISS Army! I was also born a male. A little over two years ago I discovered my true self and started taking hormones. For the first time in my life I truly love myself and have found true happiness and peace in my heart. I am proud to be transgender. Vinnie if you are transgender or identify somewhere in the LGBTQ rainbow you are not alone. I support you 1 million percent! Rock on Vinnie!
Thank you for admitting your mental illness. I think you are a activist posing but ... Vinnie Vincent was the impetus for "Psycho Circus" ! Plus they don`t want to turn their show into a full on drag show. 🤣
Wtf
Yea. Wtf ??
Yikes
I wonder how many of you haters who love KISS and other bands like Poison, Motley Crue, Ratt, and other bands like them where men wear makeup but now you hate men who wear makeup. A lot of the bands back then would be considered drag performers by today's standards.
Bruce will play 100000% know that will happen
Just a Thought, If Ace and Peter were scheduled to make a cameo appearance or jam on a track then why would KISS announce it ? Wouldnt that be Anti Climatic ? This could be a Page out of The WWE playbook as scripted theater to maximize the shock of the moment. Just a thought
Not trying to be argumentative, but do you not know Gene??? There is no way he would pass up the money making opportunities of having Ace and Peter playing with them. He would miss out on $$$$ by hiding the original 4 together again. There's a reason Gene is worth $400 million+
Vinnie was a huge part of kiss's comeback. Wrote most of CREATURES and LICK IT UP. Even contributed on REVENGE. SAD TO HEAR THIS.
He did not help them " come back" at all. Yes. He was a great songwriter, and contributed to some of their most popular albums post- originals. But , Creatures and Revenge both went nowhere at release and the tours didn't sell well. Hence the removal of the makeup after Creatures, and the return of the makeup after Revenge
@@michaelracicot233 I disagree . Vinnie came around at a time when KISS WAS BASICALLY DEAD. Their schtick was no longer working . At least in the biggest market , THE U.S. THIS IS why the CREATURES TOUR WAS A UNITED STATES FAILURE. They played one of their biggest shows ever in RIO during the creatures era. At the time a guitar hero , which was A POPULAR ASSET back in the day, WAS NEEDED.AND VINNIE FILLED THAT VOID. GENE and PAUL have never liked being over-shadowed and Vinnie's talent was eclipsing them to a degree. (see also Mark St. John) You pretty much agreed with me unknowingly when you said VINNIE WROTE GREAT SONGS AND CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR MOST POPULAR POST-ORIGINALS albums. THERE YOU GO. CASE CLOSED. 😉
Vinnie was amazing in Kiss ...gene and paul were jealous.
I saw that first tour, trust me no one was amazed when all the fans thought Ace was still in the band. And then Vinny appeared lol.
@@johnmarshall3903 I found out on the KSHE 95 the day of the concert in Feb of 83. First day I saw his ridiculous makeup. There were 2,900 people there. The Plasmatics opened. It was a sad experience that day since Ace was my favorite.
@@kevinstrong8265 Same here, they completely promoted the concert like Ace was still there. We had no internet then, or any way to spread the word fast that a scab took Ace's job. It did not go over with the crowd at all.
No he was awful in kiss
Vincent is a TOOL. His instructional video is a complete joke.
Thanks for clearing that up, finally! Why, I thought KISS is currently playing the entirety of the Lick It Up LP followed by...the Lick It Up LP, again. Poor Peter will probably have trouble - not being familiar with the songs. Ha I'm kidding! I hope!
Ace says he was never asked/invited to the final show.. He claims Gene probably said he was just to try to sell more tickets.
At the evening crazy night
3:44 Guy Fieri???
"Didn't sign his employment contract" sounds like total bs to me. Gene and Paul are very sharp business men. There is NO way they allowed Vinnie to be as involved with KISS in the studio, on tour, in videos, etc... for all that time without signed agreements in place. I think there is probably a whole other scenario to all of what happened that we may never know.
Well all you have to do is look at his recent behavior. He's a nutcase
Gene's an absolute tosser, but I wouldn't let Vinnie come back either. Nobody in the business has burned more personal and professional bridges than Vinnie. Maybe he could look after the band members' dogs while they're onstage. Oh, wait.......
lol. Woof!
I’m glad Ace & Peter opted out. Getting onstage with the copies makes no sense. The real farewell was 20+ years ago.
Bruce needs to be there, Bruce should have been back in the band with his own makeup .
Vinnie has admitted in interviews that he refused to sign a contract. He has admitted it was because he felt he was potentially not getting as much as he could or being viewed as some lowly employee. I'm not a fan of Gene Simmons at all, but in this case their stories match so there's nothing to debate when it comes to perspectives or "2 sides of the story". The contents of the contract are a different subject - he refused to sign it and that was a stipulation so he's not a part of Kiss.
Kiss is best rock band 👏👏👍👌🤟
2nd to RUSH!
Better than Zeppelin or Sabbath?
@@anti7928 Yes. In my opinion. And innovative than them.
Bunch of grown men that continue to act like children. I am a fan of the original band only. After 2001 it’s become a joke.
If it had just been Paul who said "No Vinnie" I'd be like eh whatever, because Paul is cattier than all nine of Peter's lives combined. But I don't think I've ever heard ANYONE say anything nice about Vinnie beyond "great guitarist."
Mean Mr. Mustard
What about Bruce
I think there all be there
If there not it be crap gene ??!
Vinnie would make an excellent addition to the final shows... and the final shows next year and so forth..
😂😂😂😂😂Vinnie Vincent was the impetus for "Psycho Circus" ! Plus they don`t want to turn their show into a full on drag show. 🤣
@@djb1273 Stanley can't really sing to Vinnie's playing... That's why Stanley never liked Vinnie...
Back then ? 😂😂😂😂😂🖕🤡@@syndicatedsatellite7288
@@syndicatedsatellite7288 And today neither can sing nor play...
I think Vinnie is very talented, he wrote some great songs with Kiss. I do feel he’s a troubled guy though. He seems to cause problems for Kiss and I don’t blame Gene one bit for his statements about him. I’d say thanks but no thanks 😂
You guys, they wont be back. It will be a nightmare to organize. Peter and Ace and will resort to attorneys and managers.... exactly what they did the day of the MTV reunion.
Its a headache that Gene Paul and Doc McGhee dont want to deal with. I feel bad for the fans who think its easy and as simple as "hey come and jam a few songs...heres Shock Me!" Or "Hooligan" (lol) its not gonna happen. Theres massive egos and legal litigation that comes with it. Why would the Kiss company want to risk a mighty train wreck on the supposed final shows of thier career? Not happening.
Im gonna get hate from the radical Ace and Peter fans who refuse to believe our heroes are anything but invincible, but the truth is Ace and Peter could never pull off an unreheasred impromptu jam. Maybe 20 years ago...maybe?
The only member that is professional enough to come onstage with no ego, no lawyers, and with all his skills intact, is Bruce Kulick. In fact im sure hes the gonna be the only ex Kiss member at those shows whether he plays or not.
The truth hurts i know. But after dec 3, youll see that i am right.
Totally agree with you about Bruce, he's the real deal. But I don't want to see an impromptu jam. I just want to see the original 4 do Duece or something one last time
But Gene had no problem bringing Vinnie back to sell his Vault. Always about the Benjamins!
i could maybe see gene and paul giving peter a decent pay day to come out and sing beth just to stick it to ace
It give no better Thing s
Do it for the drama
Vinnie is kiss
Stop the Vinnie talk, that ship sailed long ago
Why in the world would they even consider bringing Vinnie back for anything? He was only with them for a very short stint. They obviously didn’t get along with him. And he’s a friggin’ weirdo.
Ja pensaram,? Ace com aquela idade,rosto redondo e com a maquiagem? 😅😅
Probably didn’t want him back for 2 reasons
1 he was a nobody to kiss especially Paul and gene
2 he’s a transgender and could you imagine how embarrassed kiss would be to have him on stage as she man lmao
Kiss would not want to even answer to any comments on vinnie. It would be humiliating for them and the KISS Army ….
IT WASNT AN EMPLOYMEMT CONTRACT IT WAS FOR SONG PUBLISHING RIGHTS HE HAD TO LET GO TO PAY KISS LEGAL FEES YEAH VV SUED PAUL 14XS
Vinnie might be a pain in the butt, but if it wasn't for his song writing and guitar playing, KISS would have went down the toilet. Period.
Bruce Kulick should be there not Tommy …Gene n Paul Farked Up there big time.
How? Bruce turned them down because he has class and integrity. He didnt want to play ace.
Definitely. With some practice, Bruce could have done the Ace bit.
Bruce was never asked to continue and do Ace's part. Bruce has said it himself. Tommy was the obvious choice. He has worked for the KISS organization for 30+ years. He was in a KISS tribute band before that as Ace and already knew the songs and all the moves. If you were offered the job of imitating Ace every night on stage and get paid for it, would you say no?
I was a life long fan of the band until Gene called me his enemy. I havent spent a dime on them since. I used to think they were heroes, now I know they are just sheep.
But it was okay to use Vinnie to sell those f*cking vaults right? Why would ace and Peter do it if they know tommy and Eric are wearing the makeup? This whole farewell thing is a joke. Paul and Gene have turned into bitter old men rehashing the same old crappy tired stories to justify why they don't want ace and Peter around .
Paid him peanuts instead of his rightful royalties...
Gene and Paul don’t get along with anybody 🤷♂️ At some point one has to consider that maybe the problem is actually you two Chiam and Eisen?
As far as I'm concerned, if Ace and Peter aren't there, you might as well call them P I S S. Paul said so himself I think 🎣
I think Vinnie is transitioning.
Personally, I think Vinnie Vincent is an absolute half-baked crackpot at this point, but be that as it may, Gene and Paul are known for screwing-over the other band members financially.
They should just do it for the fans. We know Paul and Gene won't pay, but Ace and Peter should just do it (for free) for the fans. Too much pride and ego
They shouldn’t do it for free. They should be paid well, but not a crazy amount that Ace is asking for.
Agreed, but Gene and Paul are worth over 200 million apiece. You cant take it with you. Shell out a couple hundred grand and go out with class. Your loyal fans from the 70's deserve that. And give Bruce a nice check too, he put a long decade of faithful service to the band.
I think Vinnie Vincent was the impetus for "Psycho Circus" ! Plus they don`t want to turn their show into a full on drag show. 🤣
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Vincent is just a wierdo
I love Kiss , always have always will, but it's funny how after Peter and Ace decline the final show they reach out to Vinnie Vincent
Hell no
SHANNON HAS BIG TITTAYS VINNIE VINCENT IS GREAT GENE AND PAUL ARE LAME
For one or two songs... GTFO wts!
Vinnie is a part of SCAB KISS history he or she should be there...
Vinnie is a Scab -No Way
Bleh, if Vinnie shows up that'll be my bathroom break.
Exactly
But that's where Vinnie will be...
Oh No! Please no.
That would be a horrible mistake.
Tuff crap Vinnie. Bye.
Exactly