Executions, reprisals and counter-executions - SS Polizei Regiment 19 versus the French Resistance
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Starting from some World War II souvenirs from SS Polizei Regiment 19, this video describes some of the events that occurred during the summer of 1944 in the Haute Savoie Region of France. The video describes the attacks and reprisals that occurred in Ugine, St Gingolph, Habère Lullin and Vieugy, where numerous French civilians and German POWs were executed. Il also shows the interrogation reports of numerous soldiers of Polizei Regiment 19 after their capture by the French Resistance, in which they describe torture and execution methods, but also explain how some soldiers disobayed orders and were kind to the civilians.
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Hans Fütterer 27.4.1908 Solln
Walter Jahn 14.8.1908 München
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Walker August 15.1.1901
Albrecht Josef 23.8.1902
Allgaier Willi 6.10.1908
Aumeier Franz 1.9.1903
Behrens Albert 8.11.1900
Bergmann Erich 16.5.1906
Blödow Helmut 13.10.13
Bohm Georg 9.9.1911
Böllsterling Richard 6.4.1907
Bolzer Franz 5.8.1908
Botke Erich 20.7.1909
Brückmann Eibe 23.11.1909
Bruhn Asmus 14.3.1914
Burst Hermann 12.2.1908
Christ Eugen 31.1.1909
Daniel Johann 20.9.1902
Dassinger Georg 18.12.1902
Daub Oskar 12.5.1924
Dietzsch Helmut 30.10.1908
Dollacker Friedrich 23.11.1909
Dollinger Franz 10.7.1903
Drexler Georg 27.9.1902
Egetenmeier Johann 5.4.1908
Engelhardt Rudolf 29.6.1915
Ewinger Lorenz 20.7.1904
Faisst Alfred 15.7.1914
Feldmann Konrad 25.8.1900
Froboese Adolf 10.9.1909
Gahr Alois 10.7.1908
Geigenfeind Jakob 5.7.1914
Grau Ernst 18.4.1909
Graudus Werner 7.2.1908
Greiner Emil 4.11.1915
Haberle Benedikt 15.8.1914
Heib Alois 15.8.1909
Heinisch Josef 8.1.1906
Heisterkamp Hans 6.9.1907
Hiedl Franz 22.2.1902
Hildmann Otto 9.5.1907
Höfer Josef 5.10.1896
Hubatschek Josef 16.6.1902
Kelm Werner 7.11.1908
Kernes Helmuth 20.7.1908
Kluth Hermann 25.4.1906
Knauss Fritz 2.4.1906
Kölmel Rudolf 14.9.1911
Kraak Ernst 3.6.1905
Krischan Max 5.1.1907
Lang Albert 15.9.1902
Lauermann Walter 22.3.1915
Liedl Otto 26.9.1903
Lössl Fritz 6.9.1908
Maas Alex 15.10.1906
Mayer Johann 11.12.1908
Meier Konrad 19.9.1914
Molineus Joachim 3.12.1907
Nadig Andreas 6.4.1903
Oetter Oskar 20.6.1908
Ott Martin 12.10.1914
Patent Richard 8.3.1908
Pechtold Otto 24.10.1903
Petermann Erich 12.7.1909
Philipp Josef 3.8.1902
Prinz Wilhelm 11.4.1909
Ranger Friedrich 30.10.1913
Raschke Erich 8.12.1902
Reitmair Albert 6.1.1909
Rosshuber Max 5.6.1908
Ruckdeschel Heinrich 20.9.1904
Sagelki Anton 22.5.1907
Sauer Hugo 1.7.1920
Schaller Paul 22.10.1903
Scharl Simon 3.7.1902
Schill Georg 11.6.1903
Schlawin Helmut 26.4.1911
Schmidt Gustav 5.1.1910
Schreyer Gerhard 1.7.1910
Schrödinger Ludwig 15.8.1903
Steinacker Hans 29.6.1906
Stern Edmund 22.3.1901
Strehl Rudolf 20.7.1903
Such Alfred 24.8.1916
Tribillian Josef 13.1.1915
Trost Karl 18.1.1902
Waskewitz Otto 26.9.1902
Wiesen Karl 20.6.1905
Wilk Franz 9.10.1906
Wimmösterer Georg 5.4.1902
Wirth Lorenz 5.5.1909
Zacher Hugo 31.10.1902
Zacherl Martin 7.11.1901
Zachow Richard 15.1.1902
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So refreshing to hear an intelligent approach to guilt - individual and collective guilt. You are spot on. And even if it is common sense, unfortunately the chief narrators of history, be it Hollywood, the media, politicians or others... they are constantly making it a one dimensional black and white story that doesn't correspond to the reality on the ground. Love your work. Truly inspiring.
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No background music or flashy graphics, just a great piece of thought provoking scholarship. Thank you Jean-Loup
Yes indeed❤ Well done!!
Greetings from Pennsylvania USA! Sir, this content was absolutely amazing and so perfectly executed. I swear, I hated to see the video end. I was glued to the screen like a bum on a bologna sandwich. The intoxicating thing for me is the personalization of attaching specific people, items, and events. Also, matching up the "then" and "now" photo's is a fantastic touch, and spot on. Your hard work and research are second to none. Keep up the great work!
Most history is told at the strategic level - generals, battles, etc. You tell it at the human level, you put names and faces together for people who are long gone and probably forgotten, that is simply amazing! The events of St. Gingolph ultimately made no difference in the course of the war, but they affected real people in very real ways. Excellent work as always!
Your videos are absolute gold. I can believe they are not more popular.
Maybe if I include advertising for the new triple Big Mac sauce, they will get more views
@@CrocodileTear I know you're joking, but regardless, PLEASE no advertising! You're videos are of excellent quality and caliber. Actual facts, rigorous evidence-based information! I just came across your channel in the last week, and I have liked all the videos I've watched, left comments, and definitely subscribed! Please keep up the hugely important, great work that you are doing! (I'm actually envious, I would love to be doing what you do!)
This is the best researched piece on a small period of 1944 in S France absolutely brilliant well done Jean-Loup
I feel like I should be paying for your videos, they are the best ww2 videos on RUclips , quality is unmatched
You’re certainly living up to your moniker.
You’re either the channel’s owner or friend of.
Either way you’re pathetic and sad.
Along with Mark Felton.
As an american, I've always had nothing but respect for resistance fighters. The only complaint I've ever heard was regarding the number of supposed resistance fighters went through the roof after liberation, suggesting alot of stolen valor...
From what I understand, a lot of folks non-violently resisted in effort to sabotage the Germans yet stay alive. Working poorly, misplacing records, ruining foodstuffs, popping tires, obscuring road signs, etc. They worked with what they had, and it did make a difference.
Yep same here. I’m an American as well and always thought the French resistance was bad ass. They were always brave fighters defending their homeland not terrorists. I’ve never heard a fellow American say anything bad about the resistance. I guess there must be some keyboard warriors out there who think they know everything and try to say the resistance was this or that… I’ve never seen it but I’m sure it’s total nonsense. I’ve got nothing but respect for the guys and gals over there that fought the nazis during occupation.
Reprisal killings are always so tragic. You can virtually never call them right, but at the same time the anger that fueled them is righteous indignation. That said, most of these young men, regardless of affiliation, didn't deserve to die... :/
As an American, a WW1 and WW2 history enjoyer, I never thought the French ,nor recall being taught, resistance as being illegitimate. Like any oppressed people, they fought for freedoms from an oppressor.
Just my thoughts.
Love the videos and the human just like us point of view you have given me on these videos. I have always had heart for soldiers following orders. And your videos have helped solidify that stance.
I couldn't agree more. Quite to the contrary, the Resistance are almost always portrayed in movies and television as heroes. Frankly, I haven't seen anyone in the U.S. bad mouth the resistance.
Same here. I can't say I've ever heard gripes about them being illegitimate soldiers. It's usually just sophomoric jokes about Frenchmen being wimps and cowards. Which is a damn shame, since that completely overlooks the horrors inflicted on the French population in WW1. It's seriously like making fun of someone not going to work the day after their house burned down with their family inside it. :/
Though I can't blame the everyman too much, as American schooling emphasizes the boring-ness of history, and their textbooks summarize the start of WW2 as "Poland got invaded, then France surrendered." Basically no meaningful context.
Your videos are sophisticated and deserved to be seen by a greater audience. Thank you for all the work you put into them.
Thanks. All the videos are homemade projects, but dont hesitate to spread the word.
I agree! The world needs to see these!!
@Ahnenerbe18 Nein, Deutsche habe ich nur in die Schüle gelernt ;)
@Ahnenerbe18 Thanks. I am actualy just starting a "Crocodile Tear auf Deutsch" channel.
❤ beautifully done. You really made me think. As far as the French Resistance, as an American, not once have I ever heard that they were not legitimate. I'm 57. My Mother spoke frequently about WWII. My husband's G-Father was in the Army as a machine gunner & his Great Uncle was in the 612th Tank Destroyer Battalion. American's can surely understand defending your homeland against invaders...
I am a 63 year old American and I also have never heard any negativity regarding the French Resistance. Perhaps, it is because I grew up with elders that had direct experience during this conflict. We live in an era of disinformation spreading like wildfire due to the internet. It is very unfortunate.
Thank you!!! I just wrote a paragraph long comment about this, telling him that I have literally never heard of such a thing. It's so weird and completely out of character for an American to say such a thing, especially about people who were being occupied by the Nazis. He needs to explain himself on this one.
The USA killed more French people in wayward bombing during the post D Day attacks “on Germans” than Germans killed French people during the entire war.
Superb job! Outstanding primary source research. Admire and respect your perseverance to gather the information. Keep up the great work.
Great episode, it’s good to hear actual historical facts put together with artefacts 👏🏻 superbly presented 👍🏻
Jean Loup! Thank you again! Your videos are always brimming with humanity. Life is never black or white.
My understanding of the Police being given the SS designation was to facilitate in consolidating power to the SS. On paper it meant the police were now under Himmler's control through his direct actions or his subordinate commanders. It was a massive power grab, adding to the ranks of those under his control. While not many of those in the police units were radicals, the concept was to install SS diehards into leadership roles, thus broadening Himmler's power and control from the top down.
That is indeed one explanation I have read. One of the prisonner interrogations that I edited out said is was done so that the Police would have a military status and be treated as POWs. Perhaps both explanations are correct.
My guess is it worked the other way... Now, when becoming POWs, these 40+ year old guys were "SS members" - and got much worse treatment.
"Gott Mit Uns" is a phrase that was on the German Imperial Standard of the German Empire, and it has its roots with the Prussians before this and the Teutonic Order before them. It was also used by the Swedish Empire.
These are the best history videos on RUclips. The mix of artifacts, primary sources, and smooth presentation is unsurpassed. Thank you @CrocodileTear
I enjoy your videos very much. I was an Air Force brat (8-12 yrs old) and lived in Germany with my family from 1955-1959. I visited many of the areas mentioned in your video. I learned the German language while in Germany and stayed proficient when I returned to the States. I like to pause the video and read all the German documents. Great stuff, thank you
Jean-Loup, I hope you have more in store, especially investigative research. Your videos need a wider audience, you should have many more subscribers. Top quality.
What an extremely well made video, with very interesting and informative research on a topic we see very little represented in the larger field.
To be able to also get original artifacts and tie them to these events is even more incredible.
I also deeply appreciated the presentation of the moral issues brought forward, and I think you presented them in the most appropriate way possible, very well done.
Their is a certain humanity that you translate in your videos; not sure what it is but you have a real talent
A very thought provoking section at the end. Thank you, Jean.
This was so informative. Another great presentation. 👍🇨🇦
Never disappointed when I watch your research!!
You will probably never see this but I would still like to thank you for a great series. In this episode you made some very “quotable quotes” that I was most impressed with. You are always objective and I like that you are trying to dig up all the German soldiers… they are largely forgotten because they were German. There was certainly tragedy on both sides… war is a futile pastime…. Such a pity we cannot stop it happening.
But again, thank you for your wonderful work
Thank you, and I just read this ;)
I really enjoyed the story and how you expertly turned it into a valuable teaching lesson about how to view regular soldiers who were draftees. Also you showed a rare glimpse into the humanity and personal conflicts within the organizations and all the different parties involved in the local area. I want to thank you for your work and your good and healthy lessons.
Thanks for your thoughtful comment
@@CrocodileTear Of course
Oh this is a long one, i got the popcorn out, this channel is the very best quality
Merci beaucoup Jean-Loup! You are teaching very valuable lessons, I love your videos about your excavations and research, but these ones who give the damn battle faces and names, are by far my favorites. And I don’t know about anyone else who would make videos from this perspektive. Thank you so very, very much!
Jean-Loup, really well made as usual.
Thanks HK ;)
Excellent research, real history - unlike so many RUclips sites.
Thanks!
I was curious to know where the info for your last part came from? Being an American, and having done some research into WW2, I have never heard sentiments that Americans did not agree w French Resistance. In fact, to me it would seem the dead opposite! America, even at that time, was supplying the French fighters. I love the channel, and enjoy the videos, but I would have to strongly disagree with the last part. I would be curious to know the sources you used for it.
I am not saying it is a point of view held my most americans, I am saying that when I do here it, it usualy comes from an american
@@CrocodileTear Fair enough. The way you put it made it sound otherwise. Anyway, keep up the great work and I do love your content. Outstanding stuff! Hope you have a great 2024!
Excellent video as always. The effort and research that goes into these is amazing and fascinating
Great video as always CrocodileTear! My family name is Savoie, and I'm always interested to see history related to the region. Thank you.
What a great hour of youtube ...i didnt want it to end. Theres so much information in your latest video ....the work you put in is first rate....beats the c##p out of any of the so called history channels. I will send you an email regarding this video if thats ok...i dont want to say it here as youtube has a habit of disappearing comment's....i will do it tomorrow, cheers and thanks again keep up the good work😊😊
Yes, sure, send me an email. I had to publish this video in non monetized form as youtube's bot's immediately flagged it as innapropriate before it even had a single view.
@@CrocodileTear 👍👍
Jean-Loup your details continue to amaze and impress me. Yours are my favorite historic videos.
Bravo, merci de faire vivre la mémoire de nos anciens
Merci. Vois avez vu que je fais aussi les vidéos en francais maintenant a "Crocodile tear en francais"?
Interesting as always, Jean Loup! Thank you for all your work in bringing this to us.
Very comprehensive, as always. Before you revealed that Fütterer was born in Munich (or Solln, which is nowadays part of Munich), I knew he was from Bavaria. If things are "in order", e.g. people didn´t move from one part of the country to another, you can normally tell where the people approximately come from; there are specific bavarian, austrian, swabian etc. last names. This is not true anymore today, of course.
Superbly presented. So very well researched and so interesting. Thank you.
I have recommended you channel to my older son who has an interest in history. My minor in university has spilled over to my children. I’m glad to see they are interested in history from, as it could be said, from both sides.
Thank you for the recommendation
Thank you for the recommendation
That does look like blood inside the liner. I own a number of KIA and (potentially) WIA lids, and the forensics on the lufty helmet are pretty consistent. Your research and items are next level, thank you for every video! All dialogue is extremely on point, and is very much done properly as a true historian, amazing work, thank you.
I want to emphasize: head wounds to tend to bleed out quite a bit, an injury can read as death on some liners and get corrected by historical references of men surviving. Unfortunately the exact opposite occurs many times as well, where a seemingly low blood wound on a liner is found as KIA through reference.
What's a lid ? Oh do you mean hat or helmet ? If so why not just say helmet or headgear better yet instead of slang that Europeans and even myself don't usually encounter. Thanks make it easy on us that don't know slang so we can grasp the cliff thanks best regards 😉
Thanks. I have the equipment for testing for primate blood and will do a vid about the test.
@@CrocodileTear Do you do DNA extractions and forensic genealogy?
@@DM-sp3zs No, DNA testing is strictly controled in many european countries and can only be done on the orders of a prosecutor.
Great video.Really liked the questions asked at the end .Great job thank you
Thank you for all you do to bring this content to us all over the world.... Nick Thielen Minnesota USA
I am so happy to see more videos-you do stellar research which really fleshes-out these historical events. Many Thanks!
Another fantastically detailed, informative, excellent video. I sincerely appreciate your skill and hard work bringing this history to life.
Your work is first-rate. Thank you very much.
I have NEVER heard anyone in America question the legitimacy of the resistance forces of France . Not sure where that info came from.
A few of your questions are “questionable.” Thank you for your superb research and presentation of it.
This video gives a good insight into the complex workings of who tried to be a decent soldier.
The majority of soldiers were just trying to stay alive.
I'm not sure I've ever heard an American criticizing the French resistance or calling them terrorists. That must be a social media phenomenon. I've been around since the 60s, when WWII vets were not only still around but were pretty much running the country. Every history and every piece of popular entertainment that I can recall glorified or at least admired the resistance. Sure, they were sometimes depicted as grim, callous, vengeful, even fanatical. But I think everyone understood their desperate situation and the nature and especially the acts of their enemy. Not sure what's changed since then.
The Americans in question need to remember Lexington and Concorde and ask themselves whether our own "Minute Men" were also terrorists. If American civilians killed British soldiers over "no taxation without representation," it makes it pretty hard to condemn French civilians for killing Nazis over what the Nazis did to the French.
It is very much a social media thing, and a think of a generation that never lived through WWII.
About the policearchive in munich: im not too sure about this particular part of german police history but in current day germany the police is governed independently (exept for the Bundespolizei) by the federal states (like for example Baden Württemberg). So basically my assumtion would be, that the federal government of bavaria keeps record of the policemen of the ns era since they would be the governing body responsible for keeping track of these policemen. On another note great video as always 👍
That sounds like a very good explanation
Thank you for posting this very informative video. I learned a lot. The details and human experience are so important.
Absolutely brilliant video as always! Thank you for such wonderful content!
Perhaps the edelweiss was Herr Fütterer’s way of showing he was from Bavaria and very proud to be Bavarian. Edelweiss is a symbol of Bavaria and München where he was born.
This Edelweiss is the official German army Edelweiss badge for mountain troops.
Another great video, you make amazing content ! The level of detail and research you put in these videos is amazing ! Greetings from Romania !
In my experience, Americans feel the Resistance was/ is heroic and neccessary during war.
No resistance no D Day....simple as that
Really interesting to see the artefacts along with paperwork. So much information that would otherwise not see the light of day. many thanks for sharing 2x👍
Another great researched documentary you have produced. 😅
I would like to nuance on your "rules of war" comment. I think they are an attempt to get away from the "anything goes " concept of war.
While far from perfect, I would qualify them as "much better than nothing".
Another really sensible look at humans not sides, great video - thank you.
As usual was very interesting and informative. It makes me look at war differently
If the soldier is a German guy he is a "thief", if the soldier is allied guy is a "liberator" even if the situation is the same.
Very good research and a rational discussion of a civilian's role in defending their homeland. As always, nice work Jean-Loup.
In WW2 France the German forces were the occupying force and would usually call a Resistance person a terrorist. This is just propaganda being used in order to keep the German Soldier in line and not act on his normal instinct to be moderate. I know of no American that thinks the French Resistance was a terrorist movement in general, but there were some elements that preyed on anyone that was weaker for gains be it political or monetary. Those that resist an occupation are generally considered patriots.
It seems some of the soldiers who were in Vietnam or the Middle East and were on the receiving end of "freedome fighter" bullets have a different view of the Resistance, and rightly so I guess.
@@CrocodileTear American type of freedom has to be fought for. I'm glad we are out of those places. Anyone who wants to take our freedom should think long and hard or they will find out what I hope our government has finally learned over the last 60 years.
I know of no American who says the French Resistance were terrorists either. My mother who lived through WWII spoke highly of the Resistance. Quite often it’s the revisionist mindset that doesn’t understand that when you put on the uniform, you become that entity - by design, by default and by necessity. Anyone who thinks it would be appropriate to stop a battle and discuss with your enemy their thoughts on why this war is being fought and to determine if they are in fact a “good person”, is living somewhere in their mind I would prefer never to visit. War is horrible and those fighting the wars bring their own ethics and morals with them. People who are prone to be murderers will in war be a murderer and conversely, those who have a high value of life will also bring that to their war experience. However, as a soldier, your immediate responsibility is to protect yourself and the guy fighting beside you.
Well, I think the Americans think different about north Vietnamese freedom fighters. One man’s patriot is another man’s terrorist. I like Carlin: „ if a firefighter fights fire and a crime fighter fights crime, what does a freedom fighter do?“ The only thing I am certain about is that this kind of warfare always escalates on both sides. Keeping the peace is certainly the best thing.
Another very detailed and well researched video. Gives an insight into the deprivations and horrors of war and mans' inhumanity to man. Poises some very thought-provoking questions at the end. Noticed another namesake, Erich Raschke (1902-1944), was executed as a result of the Christmas 1943 massacre at Habere Lullin. Keep up with the great work you are doing.
Yes, exactly, there is another Raschke listed here, and I thought of you when making the video.
Outstanding video and presentation.
I think I have just found the only thing I've ever really disagreed with you on. I'm from the States and from the circles I'm in we have a fairly admirable view of the French resistance and the work they did.
I am not saying that Americans all have a poor view of the resistance. I am saying that when I hear somebody saying the resistance were nothing but illegal bands of criminals, that opinion usualy comes either from Americans or Germans.
@@CrocodileTear huh... Thanks for the insight on other views! I'm gonna have to ask around and see what the people I know think more in depth.
Just outstanding work!
Ive read somewhere, long time ago, that the edelweiss, is a sign of the soldier has been over the tree-limit, in mountains.
Maybe that's why it's there.
Thanks for another great upload 👌👍💪
Are you maybe remembering what Lt. Nixon says in the Band of Brothers miniseries? Doesn't mean it isn't true of course ;) I've never heard of it from a German source myself.
@@mattl3729 Bingo 👌👌 I couldn't remember where i had the info from. You're right, then it's maybe not true.
@@mattl3729 ive done a little research. The edelweiss goes back to WW1. It was a sign of a brave soldier. Apparently the germans continued to do it. However, it seems like what Lt. Nixon is saying, is fiction.
But thanks for help, mate 👌👍 Ive actually several times, after my comment, been thinking : where the hell was it i read that.
It's the cap and sleeve insignia of the Gebirgsjäger units, mountain infantry. There were several Divisions of these both in the Army and Waffen-SS.
Biggest compliant I've heard in the US about the French Resistance is that they were over credited, especially as compared to the Polish Resistance.
They certainly often were overcredited, and as soon as the Germans left the number of resistance men was suddenly greatly multiplied! The fact there were numerous posers however does not take credit away from the actual resistance men.
@@CrocodileTear totally agree personally!
As an American, I want to give credit to the brave, yet unknown Dutch resistance. BRAVE PEOPLE.
As always, a fascinating and well-told - if chilling - story. Translation note: The better English term to use for the enumerated "régimes" described in the interrogation report would be "regime" (or perhaps "confinement protocol"), and not "diet," as the term in the report refers to prisoner treatment generally, and not exclusively to food rations.
Indeed, I understood it as meaning diet since there were numerous details about food, but reading the document over again, you are correct.
Really really great! Thank you very much!
Any american who calls the french resistance illegitimate should be ashamed of themselves!!!
Awesome research , behind the scenes history, a clear look at the day to day of the average man in the struggle against evil so glad my family left Germany at the turn century!
Good stuff. As the French interrogations of German prisoners clearly identified the sadists/criminals do you know whether the French authorities specifically included those among the 80 reprisal executions? Have you compared the lists?
I have not made a careful comparison, but I should. But no, what they did was first execute people and then they later did the interrogations. Capt Christ, who numerous people said has prohibited maltreating prisonners, was for example amongst the executed. I guess as his more famous homonym, his fate was to pay for the guilt of others 😄 Some things run in the family.
They were “clearly identified” if you accept hearsay evidence at face value. But in western democracies justice requires hearsay evidence to be ignored when passing judgement.
@@CrocodileTear I know this is beside the real point, but in German “Christ” is not pronounced the same as it is in English and the word for “Christ” (the son of God) is actually “Christus”.
Hello! Really nice Video, I really enjoyed it.
For the "Edelweiss", my grandfather had one too, and it is called "Gebirgsjäger Edelweiss Abzeichen". He was stationed in Italy in the mountains as a German Mountain trooper (not sure if this is the right term here in english, I'm not a native speaker). It was pinned to the cap of the soldier like in this video. Maybe you can find more to the Edelweiss Abzeichen if you use the term "Gebirgsjäger Edelweiss Abzeichen".
You keep impressing with these videos.
Since my uncle died in WWII, I watched. But after your excellent, detailed historic review, I was disconcerted by your questions, white on black, toward the end of the video. “What the?” I thought, “why are you even asking these questions?” I’m American and I don’t care what you call the farmers who lined the road from Lexington to Boston killing Redcoats with their hunting rifles. Call them resistance, call them freedom fighters, call them terrorists if you must, but then call them heroes, call them Americans. And without this particular group of “terrorists” there’d be no United States to rescue Europe from Nazis. There are no shades of gray. You stand against evil or you don’t. It’s the Fourth of July. We didn’t get here on shades of gray. *** And yes, recently we’ve had our issues. We’re working on it. Every nation has its issues. Happy Independence Day.
The questions were meant to be disconcerting.
If you had asked the families of the killed "redcoats" at the time, you may have heard a different opinion, hence the 50 shades of grey.
One difference between your farmers and this situation is that the German Army was in Paris only because France started the war, not the other way around. The US may have rescued Europe from the Nazis, but then they turned much of it over to the Soviets and participated in the ethnic cleansing of millions while doing so. Let’s acknowledge the whole story, not just the parts we like.
@@JoeLukesI'm an American and not only do most Americans know nothing of the war the ones who do have a warped view of it in my opinion. What you said is true.
Quit the bullshit the allies would have been just fine without the US
Poop take.
thank's for sharing this.
Excellent points about the resistance, overwhelming positive logic. You actually changed my opinion.
Thank you... Wow
I am 73, infantry Veterans Vietnam. Not many people have taught this old dog new tricks. LOL
Hans Von Szabados was a Hungarian name maybe "Feiwillinger" or "Swabe" German origin, Hungarian citizen,PSE look after it, maybe he survived the war .Thank YOU wery much!!
Yes he survived and was also interrogated I think.
Great content!!!!!.....
I do love your work. Being born in Poland I have been fixated by history. I could almost touched the war around me as everything around is somhow marked by those tragic events.
Six of my relatives (extending this group out of my ancestors) perished during the war in different circumstances. Some of their resting placec never been found.
I relation to this material, it is well known that a lot of our compatriots from terains incorporated into III Reich and those occupied by Germans for centuries were sent to occupied France. If not a volunteers as Volksdeutche they been mistrusted as Slavs, or mixed race. Many deserted and joined Resistance, or give up as soon as Allied troops approached... Obviously they may not been so lucky always. I know story of few Wehrmacht soldiers from Silesia who joined partisan unit in Eastern Poland. They deserted with weapons, uniforms and being bilingual, all have been a great asset. Unfortunately in many cases it ended tragically as Poles or soviets shot them indiscriminately like the other collaborators. It was a thought time... Partisans on Eastern Front were not taking any prisoners and used to attack Germans without considering reprisals... some say it was inhumane, irresponsible, but Germans tend to burn whole villages with all inhabitants for even smallest acts of resistance. For all "crimes" no matter if it was a steeling sack od coal, hiding Jews or killing a German punishment was the same. Death.
I common understanding most crimes were committed by SS, SD or Gestapo but in reality as you proofed here, even in the West, Polizei, Gendarmerie, Kripo, Sipo, Selbschutz, Grenshutz, Bahnschutz where involved in mass executions.
It's syrang when you see Saving Private Ryan scene where two, possibly innocent Czechs are killed by allied soldiers when many members of Motorised Gendarmerie Battalions were working in German Police after war or like Hientz Reinefarth manged to be a respectful citizens, even town presidents or politicians.
My father aunt grandfather grandma and my grandfathers sister came to America in 1965 other than my grandmothers mom were the only survivors of Poland invasion . My grandfather escaped auswitz, his parents and all but one sibling murdered by Nazi. My grand father had horrid whip scars on his back. Auswitz has no records of my grandfather or his dead family! I’m irritated cuz my grandfather had numbers on his arm and would hide them in shame I never got ti see them enough to memorize them. They charge money to go to auswitz museum yet disrespect the memory of my family , they claim to be ultimate record and that’s a lie!
Very interesting!
Thank you.
War. War never changes.
Very interesting video with incredible insight.
Another great video!
Excellent as usual!
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The flower of Bavaria is the eidelweis, I assume Futterer put it there as a reminder or memento.
I am not sure enlisted men in a Police unit could sew whatever they wanted on their caps.
@CrocodileTear the 72. Ers.Pol.Bat was formed in Munich, Bavaria so it is very plausible that this unit had an "Edelweiß" on their Uniform showing their regional origin
Units were not given an Edelweiss just because they were from Bavaria.
Est-ce que les transcriptions de ces interrogations sont disponibles quelque part en ligne? J’aimerais beaucoup les lire moi même.
Merci
Ces documents sont conservés aux archives départementales du rhone et je suspecte qu'elles sont accessibles depuis internet. Moi je les ai consulté aux archives sur place.
Fantastique. Merci beaucoup. Continuez votre excellent travail.
cool items! the polizei were listed as ss is because the ss assumed control of all police forces.
if there was so much tension between the polizei and gebirgsjagers, maybe he wore the eidelwise as a trophy and taunt of the gebirgsjager.
there are many in the usa who would be soldiers without uniforms were we invaded or in the case of a civil war.
like they say, war is hell.
Bravo! Thank you, Excellent
*_War is the worst way for countries to resolve disputes._*
Cheers mate
Indeed I always go down to the pub for a drink after posting a new video 😄
@@CrocodileTear I well earned drink my friend. I feel like I watch these videos and only 15 mins go by. You give us a side that not many people would know about. Thanks brother.
Thanks guys 👍
The Brits called us revolutionary Americans cowards for hiding behind trees and shooting at them. The French knew the price they’d pay if caught and still fought on in the resistance. Much respect to them.
Kinda like Iraq 🇮🇶 and Afghanistan 🇦🇫 I'm in the states and don't find these French Iraqs and Afghan's to be terrorists I see them as a auxiliary forces protected by the rules of war I collect military 🪖 items but very much against war If I would have been a German I would have refused to kill or terrorize or steal from civilians in any combat zone let alone allow to the best of my ability to let fellow soldiers to do the same even at the cost of my own live if necessary I've not always been perfect in this life (anti-hero type) I've still managed to maintain a strong moral campus of which I've paid a heavy price in my 50 years on this Earth 🌎 and I wear my hardships it's caused like a badge of honor 🎖 that will live on long after I'm free from this madness and suffering we life in this life like my dad who died in 2016 from complications from Agent Orange in Vietnam 🇻🇳 a man who won metals in combat on fire bases for bravery with a tool 🔧 box and not an M-16 kinda like a medic dose with there medical bag and not a gun War is funny like that I miss him alot 😢
I’m an American who has always been thrilled by the actions of the Resistance in France. I have also angrily commented on videos who seem to support the Germans in their massacre of Soviet civilians when they call them “partisans,” just as the Germans called the French Resistance “terrorists,” because neither is true! They were _PATRIOTS,_ fighting the *VIOLENT, MURDERING INVADERS* of their countries! The whole technical argument about their not wearing uniforms, etc., is crap. The people of any occupied nation are able to protest in any way possible, using any means at their disposal.
I agree with you, but look at the comment I pinned.
The word "Partisan" is not an insult, it is the official word to speak of the resistance in many countries, and as explained in this video it was part of the official name of the Communist tendency Resistance in France (Francs tireurs partisans).
I realize the distinction. But I didn’t say that the Germans called the French communists “partisans”….I said they called them, along with members of the French Resistance, “terrorists.” At least, that is what I have read in books about the French Resistance groups. I watched the trial of Adolf Eichmann, as only one example, and he equated Soviet partisans _in the USSR_ with terrorists during his cross examination. I have also read this several times about the German soldiers in the USSR. Naturally, there will be many other possibilities….I only spoke of the information I have read or, in Eichmann’s example, seen on video.
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The comments about one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter is correct. Nelson Mandelas ANC were seen as a freedom fighters yet the IRA were labelled terrorists. What annoys me about the resistance in France was that there were those who only took up arms as the Germans were pulling out and shouting retreating soldiers on the back. The fact Paris was declared an open city by the military commander against Hitlers command yet there's the infamous film of brave resistance fighters throwing grenades into a truck full of retreating Germans and shooting the survivors sickens me. Your argument over legitimate targets is well founded. A great channel and presenter, up there with Mark felton