The 30 Tyrants | The Reign of Tyranny

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  • Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
  • With the 30 Tyrants installed in Athens by the Spartans, a rivalry quickly arises amongst the Tyrants between Kritias and Theramenes on how to run the city. In this video we will detail the terror of the 30's reign and the epic feud between these two leading politicians.
    Discord: / discord
    Music done by the talented Leandros: / leoofthessaloniki
    Sources:
    Thucydides 8.45 - 8.98
    Aristotle. Constitution of Athens. 29 - 34
    Xenophon Hellenica 2.2.10 - 2.4.43
    Lysias. 12 “Against Eratosthenes”
    Diodorus Siculus 13.36 - 14.4
    Stem, R.,
    2003 The Thirty at Athens in the Summer of 404, The Classical Association of Canada, Vol. 57, No. 1, pp. 18 - 34.
    LeCaire, L.,
    2013 Tyranny and terror: the failure of Athenian
    democracy and the reign of the Thirty Tyrants, EWU Masters
    Thesis Collection. 179. dc.ewu.edu/theses/
    Krentz, P.,
    2009 The Arginousai Affair, in R. B. Strassler, The Landmark Xenophon’s Hellenica, Pantheon Books, London,
    Krentz, P.,
    2009 The Athenian Government and the Oligarchy of the Thirty, in R. B. Strassler, The Landmark Xenophon’s Hellenica, Pantheon Books, London,
    Chapters:
    0:00 The Rise of the 30
    1:23 The Reign of Terror
    3:22 The List of 3,000
    6:17 The Metics
    7:17 The Good and Fair Kritias
    12:00 Epilogue

Комментарии • 99

  • @ArchaiaHistoria
    @ArchaiaHistoria  4 года назад +26

    I’m going to try something new and make a reply video to the comments. If you have any questions relating to the topic or want any details expanded then reply to this comment.

    • @granddukethedan7029
      @granddukethedan7029 4 года назад +1

      When will you play Rome II/Attila with me?

    • @LuisAldamiz
      @LuisAldamiz 4 года назад +3

      This Kritias is the ideological precursor of Socrates and Plato, right? That's my question and I think the answer is "yes" but slightly unsure.

    • @vanivanov9571
      @vanivanov9571 4 года назад +3

      Would you make a video about Cleomenes III, and his attempt at a Spartan revival?

    • @granddukethedan7029
      @granddukethedan7029 4 года назад +2

      Could Sparta have survived if Cleomenes's reforms were effective and if the Spartans didn't lose some major battle (sorry my history is vague on the revival/attempt of revival of Sparta).

    • @giveussomevodka
      @giveussomevodka 4 года назад +2

      You say the Athenians were disarmed. How much of a difference did being armed make, considering that in both Rome and Greece very frequently guys wielding blacksmith hammers, farm implements and chair's legs manage to storm the places of power and throw out governors they don't like? With firearms, an army of under a million can conquer and rule a country of tens of millions, but with short blade technology of the time it looks like even a 3:1 ratio is too much for the soldiers most of the time.

  • @theswedishdude1
    @theswedishdude1 4 года назад +41

    i get wanting to get rid of your enemies and show off your power but there is a limit, at some point the citizens will be more fearful of living under your rule than dying by your soldiers swords.

    • @ArchaiaHistoria
      @ArchaiaHistoria  4 года назад +12

      Exactly, in the next episode we explore a bit more on how the 30’s tyranny failed

  • @panoskatrin4910
    @panoskatrin4910 4 года назад +25

    i love this so much,when i was in high school i remmembermaking the speech of theramenes to my classroom and then out of nowhere as i finished some of my friends took out some pencils as if they were knifes ,the rest of the class was truly suprised as well xD)and dragged me from my teachers desk which was supposed to be the altar ,it was so fun!xD

    • @ArchaiaHistoria
      @ArchaiaHistoria  4 года назад +4

      I wonder what they got you to drink instead of Hemlock

    • @Liquidsback
      @Liquidsback 4 года назад +5

      What kind of High School did you go to where Theramenes was even mentioned?

    • @ArchaiaHistoria
      @ArchaiaHistoria  4 года назад +11

      Liquidsback In Greece they often use this segment when learning to translate ancient Ionian Greek. At least from what I’ve heard

    • @panoskatrin4910
      @panoskatrin4910 4 года назад +9

      @@ArchaiaHistoria you correct! its truly boring at first when you dont know the contex but once you learn a bit,you can easily fall in love with these stories of politics and war and of badasses like theramenes

  • @jsoth2675
    @jsoth2675 4 года назад +18

    Absolutely worth the wait! Thanks for all your hard work, sir. Can't wait for the rest of the phillip series.

  • @jsoth2675
    @jsoth2675 3 года назад +5

    This channel is criminally underrated. This content is just fantastic!

  • @tyranotruls
    @tyranotruls 4 года назад +14

    I can't wait to see the next part, especially not after a cliffhanger like that.

  • @ramongil4159
    @ramongil4159 3 года назад +5

    I'm making a RPG Campaign situated in this period, thanks for the research material, you're helping me a lot! :D

  • @stealthyviper3923
    @stealthyviper3923 3 дня назад

    We studied the 30 tyrants and the Peloponesian war in high school, and althought i wasnt much of a great student the story of Theramenes always facinated me and made me sad. Listening and reading his speach has marked me still today. This is the reason i came back to this story searching of a video like this. One of the sadest periods and stories in the Ancient Greek Hisory.

  • @LeandrosMusic
    @LeandrosMusic 4 года назад +6

    I low key want to see an HBO adaptation of this. Who's with me on this?

    • @ArchaiaHistoria
      @ArchaiaHistoria  4 года назад +5

      Get you to do the soundtrack

    • @LeandrosMusic
      @LeandrosMusic 4 года назад +1

      @@ArchaiaHistoria Only if you write the script.

  • @LeandrosMusic
    @LeandrosMusic 4 года назад +4

    Glad to see my brother and I made it in the list of 3000

  • @klausbrinck2137
    @klausbrinck2137 4 года назад +4

    Theramenes commiting suicide like a Boss, not even characters in the troligy "the Godfather" were that cool while facing certain death: "To the good and fair Kritias"...

    • @ArchaiaHistoria
      @ArchaiaHistoria  4 года назад +3

      In the source Xenophon essentially write that although he doesn’t know if it adds anything historically it was such a cool moment he had to add it

  • @SaintClutch
    @SaintClutch 3 года назад

    Amazing work!!! Keep it up!

  • @historicaladventurevideos
    @historicaladventurevideos 3 года назад +1

    Very interesting content! Love your videos.

  • @miranda9691
    @miranda9691 4 года назад +3

    That was an awesome story!

  • @Jake_2903
    @Jake_2903 4 года назад +1

    Yay, a new video.

  • @jsoth2675
    @jsoth2675 3 года назад

    Had to comment again. This was just as good the second time. Possibly one of the best presented channels on ancient Greece

    • @ArchaiaHistoria
      @ArchaiaHistoria  3 года назад +1

      Glad you liked it, next episode should be coming soon

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory 4 года назад +1

    cool video. i never heard of this at all

  • @bcvetkov8534
    @bcvetkov8534 2 года назад

    Great video! Can't wait for the next one! Same with the Phillip series! 😁👍

  • @huntera123
    @huntera123 Год назад

    Chillingly recognizable....

  • @JD-jl4yy
    @JD-jl4yy 2 года назад +1

    Still on the edge of my seat for part 3 :)

  • @bennolee348
    @bennolee348 4 года назад +3

    Lovin the tunes

    • @ArchaiaHistoria
      @ArchaiaHistoria  4 года назад +2

      Be sure to show Leandros some love then!

    • @LeandrosMusic
      @LeandrosMusic 4 года назад +3

      Thank you very much my dude! I will make sure to upload the whole audio from the episode in the coming week! Make sure to click like, subscribe and name your first born child after me.

    • @LeandrosMusic
      @LeandrosMusic 3 года назад +2

      ruclips.net/video/LNhc1y27t5U/видео.html
      Enjoy my dude

    • @bennolee348
      @bennolee348 3 года назад +3

      @@LeandrosMusic sick, you're really good at atmospheric music

    • @LeandrosMusic
      @LeandrosMusic 3 года назад +1

      @@bennolee348 your are really good at complementing me. Keep em coming my dude. Feel free to throw some feedback too if you have any.

  • @anasevi9456
    @anasevi9456 4 года назад +5

    it's hard to believe Athenes was little more than a smouldering ruin after everything that had taken place from 420-390bc.

  • @Armorius2199
    @Armorius2199 4 года назад +11

    How about we get Greek colonization Part 2 any time.

    • @ArchaiaHistoria
      @ArchaiaHistoria  4 года назад +4

      I was hoping for August but now it looks like later in the year. But it is being worked on

    • @Armorius2199
      @Armorius2199 4 года назад

      @@ArchaiaHistoria That is Great news.

  • @granddukethedan7029
    @granddukethedan7029 4 года назад +3

    I swear to Elricus if Barris is not featured here, I'm gonna become the new Basileus.

  • @greekswaglord-dathistoryla201
    @greekswaglord-dathistoryla201 4 года назад

    I love the reference in the thumbnail were the guy (i always forget his name) drinks the poison. Ever since i learned about it, i always referred to Kritia as the sweet Kritia every time he did something bad to someone.

  • @stevefambro189
    @stevefambro189 2 года назад +2

    “Davos the cool” LOL

  • @LeandrosMusic
    @LeandrosMusic 4 года назад

    If you guys fancy to listen to the tunes without the narration I will be uploading them in my channel! If you happen to drop by, see you there!

  • @dook_
    @dook_ 4 года назад +4

    bit of a bruh moment from kritias there ngl 😤

    • @ArchaiaHistoria
      @ArchaiaHistoria  4 года назад +2

      Straight up kicked Theramenes out of the 3,000. Bonafide bruh moment

  • @tobias7862
    @tobias7862 4 года назад

    Great Videos. Will there be a New Part to the phillip 2 videos?

  • @huntera123
    @huntera123 Год назад

    The similarities to our current time are chilling.

  • @christianenglert1620
    @christianenglert1620 4 года назад

    When will the next Phillip II video come out?

  • @celestialhylos7028
    @celestialhylos7028 9 дней назад

    Theramenes got chad Ned Stark vibe

  • @penumbra8173
    @penumbra8173 Год назад +2

    The real cult of kosmos

  • @celestialhylos7028
    @celestialhylos7028 9 дней назад

    Better than Game of Throne Season 8

  • @adoggofriend
    @adoggofriend 4 месяца назад

    700th like!!!

  • @gasmonkey1000
    @gasmonkey1000 2 года назад

    Theramenes sounds like the type who in fantasy novels would be a hero or something. And of course Kritias murdered him for his integrity.

  • @dragonrykr
    @dragonrykr 4 года назад

    the death of the sycophants

  • @mtpockets7352
    @mtpockets7352 3 года назад

    Can you relate this histroy with what is going on in the 🇺🇸? Names. Political position.agenda.etc

  • @MasonStevens9863
    @MasonStevens9863 Год назад

    Literal Cult of Kosmos.

  • @alteredcatscyprus
    @alteredcatscyprus 3 года назад

    What’s happening in America right now.

  • @LuisAldamiz
    @LuisAldamiz 4 года назад

    This is the same Kritias or Critias that Socrates and Plato loved so much, right?

    • @LuisAldamiz
      @LuisAldamiz 4 года назад +2

      @@klausbrinck2137 - Plato repeatedly mentions a Kritias who was his own uncle or great-uncle, the age difference is not just plausible but likely.
      Socrates was actually sentenced to ostracism, when already old, he chose the hemlock instead but it was his own decision, not a death sentence.

    • @LuisAldamiz
      @LuisAldamiz 4 года назад +1

      @@klausbrinck2137 - Just checked: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critias
      He's the same Critias: Plato's mother's cousin (like second degree uncle).

    • @LuisAldamiz
      @LuisAldamiz 4 года назад +1

      @@klausbrinck2137 - Critias is particularly notorious in the Atlantis narration, which Plato puts in his mouth and that Critias attributes to Solon himself. Critias was descendant of a personal friend of Solon.
      Socrates was teacher of Critias, so they were roughly the same age (actually Socrates seems a bit older). It was largely because of his ideological and personal relationship with Critias that Socrates became target of persecution by the restored Democracy. "Corrupting the youth" in the trial probably meant brainwashing them with elitist pro-Spartan anti-democratic ideas.
      At least that's my take.

    • @klausbrinck2137
      @klausbrinck2137 4 года назад +1

      @@LuisAldamiz U were right, after all, Sokrates had to take hemlock before the war´s end, and not somewhen later in the 4th century, as I (rather confused) said. The information of this video, that this was the 1st known (to us) suicide/execution through hemlock is maybe false, and confused me, cause when Sokrates took hemlock, it was far more common already... I deleted my original posting.

    • @ArchaiaHistoria
      @ArchaiaHistoria  4 года назад +1

      @Klaus Socrates was killed in 400/399 BCE, which was years after the 30 Tyrants. For this period this is the first use of Hemlock for execution. Another contemporary to this period, Lysias, mentioned how they also used Hemlock when killing the Metics as well (he himself was a Metic)

  • @huntera123
    @huntera123 Год назад

    The 21st century remake of this is something I wish we could avoid...

  • @azazel166
    @azazel166 Год назад +1

    All this because the jerks on the south of Peloponnese were afraid of big mean Athens.
    Ugh!

  • @americanliberal09
    @americanliberal09 Месяц назад

    The tyranny of the minority. 😳

  • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
    @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin 3 года назад +1

    Byzantines were greek! A great legacy

    • @blugaledoh2669
      @blugaledoh2669 2 года назад +1

      I thought they were Roman.

    • @azazel166
      @azazel166 Год назад

      Not true, the Byzantines were first and foremost Roman.
      What they were in relation to Greece is that they were "Hellinized".

  • @janedoe1146
    @janedoe1146 4 года назад

    Haven't watched the whole video yet but it already sounds like the Trump Administration.

    • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
      @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin 3 года назад

      It also sounds like the Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Bush, or any President of whatever year the current year is.

  • @dubuyajay9964
    @dubuyajay9964 3 года назад

    And then they came for the Metics...