Hanno the Navigator
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
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Sources:
www.livius.org/articles/perso...
www.metrum.org/mapping/hanno.htm
www.ancient.eu/article/913/ha...
Aristotle (Meteorologica I, 13)
Pliny the Elder (Natural History, Book VI, 197 - 204)
Herodotus (Histories, 4.196)
The World of the Phoenicians, Sabatino Moscati, 1965
Ancient Greek France, A. Trevor Hodge, 1998
Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:04 About the Source
2:58 The Journey Begins
10:53 Into the Unknown
19:09 Conclusion
Man, this is an amazing video and I am a bit pissed because it was on my to do list for a long time I just never got around to it.
The way you illustrated the video combined with the great Voice of the Past really adds a lot to the telling of the story.
The start of the video was a bit boring but when the journey began I was hooked.
Nice video.
Thanks. Well that’s the thing with source analysis, you got to examine everything even the less interesting stuff.
However Voice of the Past’s performance was what really sold it I think. No way I could have done anything on par without him.
@@ArchaiaHistoria Yeah tell me about it.
There's a reason why my topic died with the salted sands :D
"Cave men who run faster than horses". Was I the only one amazed yet terrified at the thought of this?
I wonder if the caveman was really the actual species of gorilla. I mean, Gorillas aren't as fast as a horse, but they looks faster to the crew.
@@ultimatefree8637 these cavemen that Hanno heard about lived in what is today Morocco. Could have been barbary macaques
10:39 Those islands are my home, Cabo Verde! It’s awesome to know that Hanno might have landed here. Though, the Atlantic waters are tough to navigate even with modern technology so unlikely
Yeah the trees he talked about probably grew on the mainland in what is today Senegal
It always fascinates me how knowledge like this was both lost and recreated through history. AFAIK, despite having taken Qart Hadash and supposedly their trade routes, the Romans lacked naval prowess and knowledge. Thus, having conquered many other lands they and their sucessors focused on Eurasia. Then, thousands of years later, a small Iberian kingdom, bottled up on the South West of Iberia and constantly at odds with the bigger realms surrounding it, would once more travel down the western coast of Africa, reaching India as well as the mythical island of parrots called Brazil.
In the arabian peninsula yam also means sea. Although it's archaic, some dialects still use it. It's also the name of god of the sea in pre-islamic age.
It’s an ancient Semitic deity. It remains the same in Hebrew too “ים”
Although I am Egyptian, I heard some people use it in upper Egypt.
"يم"
Whose god?
Arabic, Hebrew and Phoenician all belong to the same language family. Called the Afro-Asiatic language family.
Berber and Egyptian languages belonged to this language family too.
Meaning that all these languages had a common ancestor.
Yam is the name of god in pre islamic age? Yama is an ancient chinese god.
This would make a really good tv show. You could spend 1 or 2 episodes per location and show off a cool portion of history that's so rarely seen. Great video man!
Imagine if Hanno figured out that he could circumnavigate the whole of Africa...
According to Herodotus he might have
without the Suez Canal, africa cant be circumnavigated
キーランリリー i was too rigid in my use of circumnavigation. a voyage, red sea to egyptian sea and then land-route from the mediterranean to the red WOULD qualify as circumnavigation of africa. is there any anthropoligical or archaeologic evidence of the temporary colonies mentioned in your passage?
@@johnsmead5096 Cant'be by Great Post moden Ships,but sure cold and was used by trade with Small ships
Almirante Kiko there was no water only route around africa until the suez canal. the ancient ethiopian trade routes from the upper nile to the red sea; or the ports near the sinai peninsula that still required embarking/disembarking from the nile to the port were the only ways to complete the circumnavigation
Last night I listened to the voices of the past video but today I got recommended this video. Now I'm able to imagine where did they go much easier thanks to your video and map
Thank you. This was excellently explained and I learned a lot from this.
Glad you enjoyed it
This was such a WONDERFUL illustration!!! Thank you so much for making this - so informative. Take care, Wendy
This video was only the 2nd (albeit late) video of the #ProjectAfrica collaboration! Continue to explore the rich and varied history of Africa with the links down bellow!
Check out Voice's of the Past's video here: ruclips.net/video/duVRGq0DpLI/видео.html
The first episode of the Africa collab (by Cogito): ruclips.net/video/1oQ5Jd7p2aY/видео.html
Project Africa playlist: bit.ly/project-africa
Mobile link: ruclips.net/p/PLivC9TMdGnL_nFh7EtyLykEbzxCMH7nkB
Special thanks to the From Nothing Team for allowing me to use their map for the video! So be sure to check out their contribution as well: ruclips.net/video/QOexUoPc6YU/видео.html
Don't forget as always that we have a discord where you can keep in the loop with what is going on or talk to me and the musician Leandros (be sure to give his channel a sub!): discord.gg/uy4xaMS
The next video should be out next month!
Archaia Istoria Please don’t use bitly for RUclips links. I assume you are doing it for analytics but it breaks the RUclips app on iOS when trying to open the link.
No worries mate, just added an optional link for those on mobile
This is the best video in the entire playlist , you deserve way more views and subs .
Really want to thank all the pages that came together to make this African project happen. I will be definitely showing these at our community workshops as a starting point to exploring what is known from these periods...
Ah combining my favorite things, animation and history. You guys really are amazing.
This is a really interesting and intriguing series on the history of the African peoples and places! I've already got them all queued up to watch, one after the other, and am looking forward to them all! I love learning about the deep, rich history of places I will never get to visit, so this has been, is, and I expect will be such a perfect series of videos on just that thing! ❤ Thank all of you for coming together and doing this!
Hey, this video made both the Project Africa and the Best of playlists! Neat!
a really well done and fascinating video.
earned my subscription
Thank you
Seriously underrated channel.
14:39 I’d like to point out that this is the city of Dakar and not Cape Verde, as the latter is the archipelago that you see in the left there
Yeah, he meant Cap-Vert, the peninsula where Dakar is. The Portuguese named it Cabo Verde though (and the islands after that).
@@edmorrison5645 I figured that out shortly after I made that comment, but forgot to edit
You definitely need more recognition, heavily scripted and well produced good videos, easily digestable, this is really 6 digits subscriber stuff as far as youtube history goes. Maybe a collaboration with some bigger channel would help, instead of just those larger projects where people might miss you.
Thanks for the kind words. Glad you like the quality of it.
As far as collaborations go it’s actually rather easy to arrange them with bigger channels if I wanted to. But at the moment I want to build a bigger catalogue so people have more to watch when they discover my channel.
I really liked the beach trading concept❤
Wow i just love the way u inscript and explain everything in a nice and such short video good job 💯👍
Better late than never! Anyway, interesting topics and animations! That's also cool that you worked with another channel as well. :)
Fantastic!! Very interesting
What a great fucking video. All i ever heard of the account was the stuff about the gorillas. Excellent job contextualizing the tale as well as sharing the whole thing.
Great production as well.
Dude, I'm from the Midwest and we still use time as a travel measurement, i.e., "yeah, it's about 10 hours to Detroit" or "it's about 4 hours to Green Bay if you can take the county road shortcut, but it's more like 4 and a half in winter because of the snow."
Same in Canada. Distance is kinda irrelevant when what you really care about whether travel to the next city eats your life… 😂
Yes, time is precious, as we are only given so much of it here on this rock! If a trip takes an entire chunk of daylight, we may think twice about it, LOL!
Best video of this I've found.
Thank you for the video :)
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Solid work
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I really like what you did with this text and collaboration. You made it an interesting tale for this curious layman viewer.
-Jake
Finally, documentaries about Africa.
18:23 i was gonna say "imagine a bunch of weird people entering your city, calling you an animal and tryina grab you" but it happened so many times in history its not funny
18:27 dude.
Lol...those were apes. Probably Chimpanzees.
@@tylerdurden3722 they were definitely chimpanzees they are described literally as people like. but not literally people
In whhich cities did that happen?
@@tylerdurden3722right
@@finnz7786 humans are apes too, so describing any other ape is gonna sound like the description of a weird human (not the other human species that are extinct now) .
Let's gooo!!!!
with the music playing in the background this feels like what someone would imagine while high
Damn forgot I commented this, I thought the same thing again while rewatching
Brother, I am lovining the music
Well all the thanks should go to Leandros, he makes the music for these videos ruclips.net/user/LeoOfThessaloniki
Great video
A video like this of Pytheas of Massalia would be amazing
Thank you
Thanks👍 new subscriber 👍
Project Africa! ❤
There is a great podcast on Hanno. The History of Exploration.
thank you
Thanks for following the original text! And by the way, Hanno seems a far cooler explorer than Columbus, at least he did not cut the native's hands!
idk that last line didn’t sound too good for the natives
@@ArchaiaHistoria Yea, I mean, Phoenicians went to WA to trade goods for gold, in the New World it was: Give us gold or we will kill ya!
@@ArchaiaHistoria The last ones probably were chimpanzees and not people (or gorillas)
No, the Greek for crocodile is krokódilos, meaning Pebble Dragon, or rocky lizard. It was associated with the Nile, but not named after it.
This was a great video!! and although this video is quite old, I wanted to add some of my thoughts, just in case you guys or someone might read them and find value in them
I want to start by saying that the Chetres river, to me seems to be the now extinct Tamanrasset River. The bay with the 3 islands bigger than Kerne could definitely be the Bay of Arguin, based on his description. I think the mountains he speaks of are not the Bambouk Mountains in Mali but the hills that separate the area of this bay from the basin where the modern-day capital of Mauritania, Nouakchott is. Overhung definitely means close by, if not touching the bay to me and not 7 days by foot (google maps estimate) inland. The second broad river with the Crocodiles and hippos is definitely the Sengal River though, but I think in this video you've kind of welded them together into the same one. I think this is possible considering the north of Africa, and the Sahara was wetter and lusher according to Herodotus as well- I could see the area were talking about here being a continuation of the Sahel, since we know and have seem in our modern time continued desertification pushing it south.
I think this also lines up with the next location and the description of the mountains with the colorful trees that they stay at after coming back from Kerne being the Dakar area. which I agree with. since it is quite hilly and the Thies Forest is in the area, which contains Baobabs. I could imagine the forests growing to Dakar back in these times for sure. But from there, I disagree pretty wildly.
I think after sailing around these mountains for 2 days, and seeing the open ocean could translate into the team stopping north of Dakar and sailing around Cape Verde and the plain being the relatively flat area between there and either the Gambia or Geba Bay. Although how the "horn of the west" doesn't mean Cape Verde is lost to me, and perhaps it is and the greener Sahara is much much different than today.
I think it would be interesting to see if maybe, the great bay "Horn of the West" was actually the Geba bay, and the island with the lagoon was actually the Bissagos archipelago, where Hanno disembarked and got afraid and left. "Chariot of the Gods" was not Mt. Cameroon but the Loos Archipelago next to Conakry. Making the "Horn of the South" the Lion Mountains next to Freetown- which does have Chimpanzees living there in the Tacugama Sanctuary. Which I think, they already lived there.
I think that ending spot for the journey would match up pretty well with my belief that bro did not go that far.
The ancients called all sub-Saharan Africans "Ethiopians", while the term "Africa" (or even greater 'Libya' which basically extended from the North Atlantic to today's Libya) was exclusively used for North-Afrrica. Africans were berbers, Ethiopians were black people in general as well as the inhabitants of Ethiopia, Nubians were black people in southern Egypt. If you read Diodorus Siculus for example he also uses these terms in this fashion.
Also Garamantians were black people in the Fezzan and possibly Tibesti regions
The last bit is conjecture, to say they were keeping secret from other atlantic trading? No one went beyond the Pillars (Atlantic Ocean) before the Phoenicians until the Romans many years later.
I probably should have sourced it better but I was merely parroting the Brian Warmington's thoughts on the nature of the periplus:
"Some scholars resort to textual emendations, justified in some cases; but it is probable that what we have before us is a report deliberately edited so that the places could not be identified by the competitors of Carthage. From everything we know about Carthaginian practice, the resolute determination to keep all knowledge of and access to the western markets from the Greeks, it is incredible that they would have allowed the publication of an accurate description of the voyage for all to read. What we have is an official version of the real report made by Hanno which conceals or falsifies vital information while at the same time gratifying the pride of the Carthaginians in their achievements." (Carthage 1964, 76)
Also on your second point, the Greeks had been beyond the pillars of Heracles since the mid-7th Century BCE with the journey of Soleus, and traded with the Spaniards of Tartessos. They maintained this trade until at least the mid-6th century BCE. Later on as well Pytheas would famously travel the Atlantic coast of Europe in his travels.
So cool greatings from Titus a friend of Hanno
The greek word for crocodile has nothing to do with the Nile river by itself, Κροκη means peddle and Δηλος means worm.
In conflict with my dictionary. - www.etymonline.com/word/crocodile
12:11
"Their name in Greek means "Lizard of the Nile.""
This is their name in Greek (at that time)👉"ho krokódilos tou potamoú"
@@tylerdurden3722 apologies, but I thought that 'Potamos' was a generic word to refer to all rivers. Would there be any precedent whereby the Nile would be referred to as 'The River' (perhaps because it was the biggest etc?
@@AB-gw6uf Could very well be this way. The name for Earth's largest sattelite is Moon and the name for our star is Sun, yet we call other planet's sattelites moons and other stars we call suns as well.
In German Hippo Potamos is also translated as Nilpferd / nile horse.
I think this would make for a cool movie
Great video! Do you know when the next Philip II video will be out?
Good ol Spiffy! Not for a while friend but I have a Philip related video coming out soon
HEY HO HANNO!!
The ancient world was very much ahead of it's time be it Greek science, Roman infrastructure or Carthaginian exploration
"Ancient meditarranean sailors measured distance in time".
So you are telling me ancient meditarranean was Los Angeles.
When I was young, I used to measure distances on trips by how many beers it took...
finally
So you’re saying they scared him off with juju? Brilliant
Interesting, the transaction style described in 12:46 only stopped this century in West Africa.
Hanno is our grandfather, Carthagian and proud 🇹🇳
How are you Carthaginian?
@@accountretired9479 he is made of pure Roman salt.
Ok, What is the name of this jam?, this is so cool!,
You have brightened up my day today and all the days!
Glad you liked the video. The amazing talent for this music is non other than Leandros. Go check him out!
ruclips.net/user/LeoOfThessaloniki
Archaia Istoria I meant the name of the song with the budabudaug drums and flutes.
Abdullahi Dahir The Africa collab tune? Or the backtrack to be video?
Archaia Istoria it is the backtrack of the video that I meant.
Then Leandros is the artist
19:00 Maybe they were chimpanzees?
That'd be my guess too. I'm not sure if they are native in Gabon but this was so long ago it could be true.
DMMDwrestler I hope your joking because they most certainly weren’t they would’ve called them Ethiopians if they were actually Africans
Dell12 16 Ethiopia was in northeast Africa they would have seen the difference as the don't look alike from west Africans
Pride Of Egypt yes I know but that’s the nation of Ethiopia, back in ancient times the Greeks referred to all Africans or just dark skinned people in general as Aethiopians which just means “having a burnt face” that is what I meant when I referred to Ethiopians. Sorry if I caused confusion
@@prideofegypt388 west africans can have a lot of faces, like or not with Etiophians
This is a question for the students at university on history. How do you manage with such information at your disposal? Are you taking information from these videos or do it the old ways, reading books and all!? I was a student on history in 2006-2008, i quit it after 1 year and i remember being scared for copying other writers because plagiasrism. But today with all this information how you do it?
❤Some historians have thought that some Phoenicians/Carthage actually sailed to the Caribbean Islands and traded with the Indians for powdered Cocaine which was so expensive that only Egyptian pharaohs and their families could afford. Egypt was rich with Gold and so they had the bucks. There have been traces of this drug that had been discovered in some of their mummies.
There is a strong current that acts as a fast conveyor belt for trade ships to travel from the Azores to the Caribbean.
It was the Phoenicians who fostered the myth that ships fell off the Earth once they sailed past the Straits of Hercules discouraging anyone else from doing what they were doing.
I wonder what happened to the colonies he founded.
Credo Mutwa from South Africa believed they colonised parts of Africa and mined gold there. And enslaved the locals, they were cut off over time and were overthrown and their cities dismantled. Not beyond the realm of possibility...
Where do I find d this intro
Aesop a name derived from aethiop or black ethiopian. Hence some of the earliest stories of morality in western history/culture came from Africa.-www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/a/aesop/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aethiops
while very interesting video we want more Philip, come on man he just suffered his first major defeat, we need to know what he does next.
I almost forgot about this.
1) REEEEEEEE
2) I dont remember this so I can rewatch.
Alright I’ll get working on the next episode right away but I have a few videos before then coming out
@@ArchaiaHistoria I'm just joking around. I love your content. You do whatever you want.
Now I feel bad...
@@ArchaiaHistoria good luck and godspeed mister
Islands mentioned at 15:50 & 18:00 reminds me a bit of the descriptions of Atlantis, anyone else???
Both are beyond the pillars, and the one near the volcano sounds like the inhabitants could've been wiped out by an eruption.
Can anyone identify them by current name?
Atlantis is an analogy used by Plato and does not actually exist. At least no more than Narnia does.
@@ArchaiaHistoria middle earth is totally real trust me
I cannot remember the name but there is a fiction book on this.
i like video
Is Mago/Magon related to Hebrew Magen as in shield?
Possibly, Phoenician and Hebrew are closely related Semitic languages
Aww shit 20 minute video with secondary sources!
*EXTRA* Extra Credits
Extra PHD Credits would do too
You wrote the Greek word for "crocodile" wrong but everything else was great. Congratulations.
Of course Hanno was from Africa and part of the African continent as a wholes heritage ,but Hanno and his Carthaginians would have considered themselves as part of the Mediterranean world which was very much their sphere of influence,therefore there was not that much of a paradigm change after the third Punic war when Rome supplanted Cartage as hegemon of the Mediterranean world.
they circumnavigated africa!
No they didn't.
hard to circumnavigate a continent that cant be circumnavigated
HandOfBlood
2 things: the second source link redirects to a porn site, and were there any other sources to directly support Hanno’s supposed colonies in Morocco?
british people be like "the nok people if interior nigerior"
These guys seem like better sailors than greeks and romans. Wait for d vikings.
Was "Ethiopian" the general Greco-Phoenecian term for black/Bantu/Sub-Saharan African people?
9:22 Oh, wait. You answered. We good!
funny everyone says "decline of the motherland in the levant." instead of saying what actually happened; the Assyrians conquered Phoenicia and as they always did with conquered people force migrated them to other parts of their empire scattering them through out Mesopotamia.
0.09 The first word in the smaller text reads: "Navigators", but the second word reads: "She-Lamb". I couldn't find the next word in the paragraph, so I stopped. Especially when the second word: she-lamb didn't seem to fit the context of the first word: navigators.
I was wondering from where you copied that text?
I didn’t think anyone would pick up on that. If I remember correctly, I put the first couple of lines of Hanno’s journey into a Phoenician font and then cut it to fit nicely. It’s understandable if it ended up being a bit incomprehensible
@@ArchaiaHistoria
Funny story.
I decided to learn Hebrew, but I was several months into it, when I realized I was learning paleo Hebrew/Phoenician/Carthaginian.
If you know paleo Hebrew, you can also read Etruscan.
@@InOppositiontotheNewWorldOrder That’s pretty funny
4:18 Reasonable to whom? I can give more reasons for it being accurate, as stated, than for it to be a lie.
Africa does not have very many bays. This does help in creating a thalasscratic Empire. It's livestock killing diseases and terrain also make it difficult to make a tellurocratic one difficult too but Africa is good nonetheless.
given, that someone delivered ore from cornwall and the ore mountains during the entire bronce age and neither ancient, nor antique cultures seem to have an idea whom, i have a hard time seeing the mediterrane cultures as particular great sailors, given all the fuzz they made about those 'pillars of heracles'. also one of the base mythical figures of the helenic greeks, is a guy that failed to arrive at the correct island, of an group of islands the farthest of which was not even 500km away, twelve times in a row!!!
Pheonician and Hebrew are basically the same
In a lot of ways. I actually used it for some of the translations in this video
11:15 hippopotami
"The account is vague and confusing."
The hairy females called Gorillas are killed skinned and their hides taken... here is hoping they were not humans. That would make these explorers real butchers.
I'm mandinka 12:22
WEST AFRICA IS MY ANCESTRAL HOME MY PEOPLE WERE TAKEN AWAY FROM THERE IN CHAINS BUT YET STRONG 💪 NO MATTER WHAT LONG LIVE AFRICA!!!!
this voyage has nothing to do with that really but also yes :) we are all stronger together.
Lol did you just suggest the source was wrong in it's population count? If that number is wrong, why isnt the entire document wrong? Is your next video about the validity of Wakanda?
i NUDED
Carthage is not a Phoenician city. It is a city built by Berbers and refugees from the levant!
Why no mention of the Bourne Stone in Komassakumkanit( modernly called Cape Cod Bay,Massachusetts) and the annexation of the entire Americas to the Iberian Peninsula. I believe out of all the great works of Hanno Bai. The Bourne Stone was his greatest achievement.
Why is Hanno white
That depends on your definition of "white", Carthagineans would look like someone from the middle east.
Because he is mediterranean caucasian .as were the moors .u got wakanda .😊
Hausa make up the majority of Northern Nigeria they are Chadic ethnic group and are related to Berber, Cushitic and other Afroasiatic peoples. Their origin story is that Canaanites migrated to Nigeria then later a prince from Baghdad came and killed a Giant snake and had children with three wives starting the Hausa Kingdoms. Many associate Cannananites with phoneticians. Maybe some Phonecians during voyage migrated North from Yoruba land in Lagos to northern Nigeria and intermixed with a Nilotic or niger congo ethnic group which could explain Hausa similarity in language to Berbers and DNA just wild theory though might be interesting. Other theories include origins from Morroco or Senegal. Natives mixing with a Berber/Tuareg people or with an Arab people all we know is like Horn Africans they are they few Black/African ethnic groups with an ancient Eurasian gene.
I don't know why black Cushites want to part ways with black Bantu
That story is from the 16th AD bruh..It’s Islamic propaganda. He’s talking about talking the 5th century BC in this video.
Arabs are semits