@@robolo4228 That's true, but there is still a sense of the unknown, where the map of the world could have been very different, and a sense of history, where the nations of the world could have been very different. Imagine a world where Carthage turned the western end of north Africa into a trading center tied to the Mediterranean, or vast trading centers that connected to the Americas hundreds of years earlier.
@@caiawlodarski5339 drop your phone and start exporing..when i am in new town or area i dont use my phone or gps ..its so much more fun..and when i get lost i actually like it and then ask real people for advice
Ancient numbers are generally best taken with a grain of salt (as in divide by 10). Also, you made up 'some guys'. Most likely warriors, which is kind of inconvenient if you want to take in water and all your crew are sailors.
@@JEELEN2 If you knew anything about the Carthaginians, then you would not be surprised that they could field a fleet of 65 ships and 30 thousand settlers. Given that Carthage came to be out of settling expeditions, and the city alone was half a million inhabitants in its prime.
It might have a bad impresion for a story to get more dark the further you get into africa. Maybe if you do it well and film the natives as monsters to the chakters but normal to the viewer.
Why do you say this? When modern day Ethiopians trace back to 1000 bc? When you say black what do you mean, My DNA has no connection to Ethiopia neither do any of my family.
@@Pyro-Moloch what do you mean by black people? As in those who were the majority of the slave trade? Or as a general description of anyone with a melanin content higher then that of the Caucasians.
@@mannyman1012 I mean, what greeks meant by "burnt face". That's what the greek word "aethiopian" originally meant, and it was used to describe people with high melanin content. Btw I'm a native of Caucasus and if you're gonna nitpick about my usage of terminology, I will start nitpicking about your use of the word "Caucasian". Pretty sure you don't mean peoples of Caucasus by it, because we tend to range in melanin from pale-white to dark-brown.
I'll never cease to be gobsmacked by that reference to gorillas as if they were 'savage' humans. Other explorers meet other human groups who they see as beasts or inhuman; Hanno meets members of another species and includes them in humanity.
@@AceSoprano18 Well they refused their advances and even bit them.. I am more fascinated that he called them "hairy women" lol, so hairy was the only part abnormal to him
Hanno was a black guy. A raw ethiopian when they ruled this glohe. EGYPTIANS will tell you that. King Tuts dna was ethiopian E1B1A. God bless you guys!
I am so glad that I found this channel, the way that you describe things makes history seem so much more interesting/real/magical. Only thing I have to suggest is that you make the locations a little clearer for these explorers, as at points I was unsure where exactly they were meant to be.
Hannos story is the earliest written reference to gorillas, it wouldn't be until the about the 1840s that the gorilla was officially 'discovered' by science.
@UCN_VBKWj309K0XZ9Hdi_YcA are we even sure they weren't just humans? I mean, if they thought cavemen ran faster than horses, maybe they also mistakenly thought some humans weren't human?
Yeah, they had gold and even some elite citizen soldiers but they relied on mercenaries and lacked generals. Sending away the best generals, like the one Spartan general that just saved your city from the Romans, is a stupid move.
Contrary to popular belief getting into the heart of Africa back then was a whole lot harder than people think, especially before the invention of gun powder and guns. People just didn't return from journeys inland if their intentions were ill.
This is a really interesting and intriguing series on the history of the African peoples and places! I've already got them all queued up to watch, one after the other, and am looking forward to them all! I love learning about the deep, rich history of places I will never get to visit, so this has been, is, and I expect will be such a perfect series of videos on just that thing! ❤ Thank all of you for coming together and doing this!
Dusty Grrl Even worse, they weren’t actual gorillas they were humans, they just called them gorillas because they were hurry and dark 😢 just shows that nothing has changed
@John Benko Hahahaa I literally opened this comment thread of only four comments because I fucking knew there'd be a comment saying something about "racism" 😂 Never has a man been tarred with that like him from what I can tell. Literally every time I see someone say something about the man, someone follows up with that. I've listened to the vast majority of Lovecraft's work and I've not noticed any particularly rampant racism at all. There's use of language that is politically incorrect and out of date for today, which isn't at all surprising, and there is an attitude that is very "of it's time", but he doesn't strike me as a viciously xenophobic person. I'd have thought that someone who was like that either wouldn't include "others" in his works at all, or would consistently and systematically have "others" represented in terrible ways, like always have them as the bad guys - and he really doesn't do that disproportionately
One of my favorite accounts. Though I must admit, I'm curious as to how his ships managed to cross cape bojador, considering it not only was a massive reef, but nigh impossible to cross going South to North. It was not until massive ocean going vessels built in the later centuries, that avoiding the cape became a possible option.
it is on the wrong location the straight of heracles is actually located in the gulf of gabes not gibaltar as described by aristotle ARISTOTLE: De Mundo - 393.a.16 to 393b.4 “Firstly then it is said that the Pillars of Heracles are found embraced on the right as one navigates inwards, to the two types of the so called Syrtes (plural of Syrti), of which the one they call great, whereas the other small; and oppositely on exiting the bay not in the same way (as when entering), are formed (in the region outside the bay) three pelages (seas), the Sardinian and that which is named Galatikon (Gallic) or Adrian and following on from them dissecting them sideways vertically is the Sicilian, after this is the Cretan, and following from this, on the one (side) the Egyptian, the Pamfilian and the Syrian, and on the other the Aegean and the Myrtoan” clearly if it is not the straight of gibaltar because it would be too far off from the three pelages which is still named the same today. the syrtes are located in the gulf of gabes plato used the word atlantic pelagos if he meant the atlantic ocean he would have said atlantic okeanos which was also used by other greek writers at that time. Plato also said nessos which means a peninsula or island (example peloponessian war means war in the peninsula of pelopos) Richat is located on a peninsula because back then when the sahara was a forest there is an inner sea (atlantic pelagos ) in the sahara that exits on the gulf of gabes. after the disaster in atlantis the path to atlantis was blocked by a shoal of mud making it unnavigable on the gulf of gabes meaning it was isolated from the Mediterranean. the remnants of this inner sea is the lake tritonis which eventually dried up. the elevation is also not a problem because to be able to reach an elevation of 400 m you will only need 400 km of navigable waterway. where the gradient of the waterway is 1m is to 1km or 1mm to 10m. Azores is not blocked by a shoal of mud and it is located in an okeanos not a pelagos. the rest of the descriptions of plato perfectly fits in addition as stated in the video libya is located after the pillars of heracles which does not match gibaltar but will match gabes. the only possible large lake that is being described is lake tritonis near gabes For a more detailed discussion you could check george sarantitis (plato project) his interpretation fits everything plato has said
Oh... Wow. That got dark. It’s interesting how the “gorillas” could have easily instead been chimpanzees, bonobos, or even humans (which would make killing and skinning them even more disturbing). The word “gorilla” comes from Hanno’s account, so we can only rely on the description for clues.
Considering he was pretty far south of the sahara and described them as extremely hairy and "rude" (meaning crudely, roughly, seemingly human from the context) I've always been certain they were not simply native africans. They were likely not gorrillas but were also likely not actual homo sapiens either. I've always thought because of the biting and tree climbing/rock throwing mentioned that they were most likely chimpanzees. Especially as only a few males and many females were found. The interpreters were africans themselves from further north and gave him the word "gorrilla" for the beings in question. I think of all the things they could have been modern african human and gorrilla are the least likely two of all.
@@RonJohn63 My question was what the translators were calling gorillas. I think chimpanzees/bonobos makes the most sense assuming the descriptions are not embellished.
I'd love to hear exploration accounts from Cushite/Ethiopian/Nubian/Egipcian explorers. At the time of Hano, they would have been competitors of Carthage that were just as advanced if not more. Anyway, thanks for this awesome delivery of history documentation.
@@deanfirnatine7814They actually used to sail together… Cushites/Nubians and Phoenicians… It’s very true…. They were all contemporaries. 👍🏽 I can actually show you some very very compelling evidence of them both in Maya/Olmec territory about 500 b.c.
What a great channel 👏 I've know idea how this never recommended to me,this the type of channel I follow & watch at least 70%..RUclips should be recommending this a hell of a lot more!....got notifications on🌏⛰
@N e g r i t o [tenfold] lol i worked in a pedo-ward when i was in college. They all looked, dressed and talk like GRRM or Jared Fogel. Or somewhere in that spectrum. When something comes out in the next few years, anyone that's surprised is a psycho.
@N e g r i t o [tenfold] lol, he has a novel from the 70s about a black guy that has super powers but he has to keep having sex to keep them. lol sick is the word.
Fucking great channel you have man. I think i binged like half your channel in a week. Really cant critic anything other than keep improving the backround video to the narration.
Never understood the whole alternative/conspiracy history thing the history channel had going on. Looking at the comments; "Oh I guess that there is a huge marked for it then..."
IMO, if Carthage would have won the Punic Wars (unlikely but at least ponderable), America would have been reached a thousand years earlier. Romans were the most uncurious people one can imagine and also rather mediocre sailors. Almost anyone would have made great discoveries but the Romans and their conservative aristocratic mentality.
@@HistoryandHeadlines - Carthage? I'd expect them to establish trade posts rather than going all conquistador. As for Romans, you already know it because that's exactly what Castile and Portugal are: direct descendants from Romanity in all but name.
@@adomalyon1 - Carnations? Spellcheck needs to be spellchecked. IMO their empire was solid enough, even if not too innovative in terms military. Otherwise they were not too different from Romans (but much more sea-oriented). A big if is whether a successful Hannibal would have become "emperor" Caesar-style, toppling the "decadent" republic and what effects would it have. Something I'm pretty sure about is that Gaul would have never been conquered by them (what for?) and that would have allowed for a faster Germanic expansion with unpredictable cascading effects.
This is all very interesting but I think they are missing a modern interpretation. I can’t understand most of the videos I’ve listened to, but did find some explanations in the comments. Good stuff tho!
Yey they became friends and chilled with people at the lyxos river in south Morocco. I am proud my ancestors were considered cool by the Karthago travelers
They chased gorillas? I wouldn't do that today with modern Firearms at hand. Primate strength is very deceitful. Chimps and gorillas may match some humans in size but those humans would literally get torn limb from limb in a physical fight.
They probably didnt chase actual gorrillas, just chimpanzees or other great apes, since the word gorilla originates from this account we dont know what they are actually referencing
In ancient times Greeks and others called Africa "Libya" and Black Africans "Ethiopians". The term Africa started during the Roman empire named by General Africanus.
Long live the Lebanese in our ancestral Levantine homeland, the direct descendants of our Phoenico-Canaanites forebears who founded and peopled the city-state of Carthage.
@@ilyaas01 This is one of those dude who tries to tell you all the real kings and queens of Europe were actually black. Don't even waste your words, these people are touched.
@@ilyaas01 Blacks never did anything but build mudhuts, they certainly didn't sail around the world. lol You're not tell me nothing I don't know my dude.
@@genericalfishtycoon3853 As has already been said, sub-Saharan Africa was away from the civilized world in ancient times(like Europe was for a long time), but everything changed in the Middle Ages, where Africans had contact with Arabs and adopted Islam, forming the great Empire of Mali
Unfortunately the romans burnt carthage to the ground and all the knowledge was lost. Carthagenians lived on the west side of the Mediterranean sea. They travelled in the atlantic ocean. I am sure that many of you have heard the theory that Odessey describes journeys in the Atlantic ocean and the Americas and not in The Mediterranean sea. Some argue that these journeys were made by the carthagenians. The greek found the stories and appropriated them in their culture. Nevertheless we will never know for sure as Carthagene was burnt
I don't think your timeline makes sense, honestly. Unless the journey was of a pre-carthaginian odeseus whose ancestors would later settle carthage... which would make them greek, anyways... So, it seems to me that no matter how you cut it, the story was based on greeks and carthage wasnt around for very long by the time the odyssey was written... like 60 years of something. Hanno was way later than homer, and hellenism was beginning to flourish slightly before the founding of carthage.
So Carthage was not so barbaric after all. History is written by the victors and Rome defeated and destroyed Carthage. It is a shame that so much history has been lost over time.
No one believe that Carthage was barbaric , greeks descriptions show might and discipline and an army that have a unified uniform just like greeks or rome . In fact everyone i know believe that carthage was much more advanced than Rome . Romans didn't even know how to build warships , they stole the design from Carthaginian abondoned ships .
A Carthaginian (probably): "Everything is on fire and burning, including that mountain over there." Me in Antmanean demeanor: "what the hell happened here."
WHO LIVED IN THE LAND TODAY CALLED GAMBIA? "But on the last day we came to great wooded mountains ( present day Cape Verde ). The wood of the trees was fragrant, and of various kinds. Sailing around these mountains for two days, we came to an immense opening of the sea, from either side of which there was level ground inland (mouth of modern River Gambia); from which at night we saw fire leaping up on every side at intervals, now greater, now less" (The Periplus of Hanno, 5th Century B.C.) This account shows that people lived here by 400 BC. Both the north and south banks of today's River Gambia were populated. Who were they? Libyans? With stories of sun worshipping in today's Niani, (5000 years) we have to dig deeper than 17 century European explorer accounts. We may find a history never imagined in our wildest dreams. With human footprints on stones, lets close our history books on Bainunka and search for our ANCESTORS. They have been waiting and angry. Bainuk is a recent kingdom and pales in comparison to 400 BC. The Bainunka found people here. I don't know who lived here by 400 B.C. but its worth digging. Our story is likely 5000 years old. SANKOFA
I could tell you enjoyed telling this one. It's amazing how much Hano and his crew sounded like infamous colonizers of the European expansionist/imperialist period. Ignorance and bigotry seem to be a fault humans have fallen prey to throughout history. Love the collaboration and the different styles each of you bring to the project. 🌍💜😎
The image of the pillars (straight of Gibraltar) shows Gibraltar on the left side mom the right side we se the now days Moroccan coast and the Spanish city Ceuta. So the view is actually coming from the Atlantic ocean entering the Mediterranean min 00:50
the straight of heracles is actually located in the gulf of gabes not gibaltar as described by aristotle ARISTOTLE: De Mundo - 393.a.16 to 393b.4 “Firstly then it is said that the Pillars of Heracles are found embraced on the right as one navigates inwards, to the two types of the so called Syrtes (plural of Syrti), of which the one they call great, whereas the other small; and oppositely on exiting the bay not in the same way (as when entering), are formed (in the region outside the bay) three pelages (seas), the Sardinian and that which is named Galatikon (Gallic) or Adrian and following on from them dissecting them sideways vertically is the Sicilian, after this is the Cretan, and following from this, on the one (side) the Egyptian, the Pamfilian and the Syrian, and on the other the Aegean and the Myrtoan” clearly if it is not the straight of gibaltar because it would be too far off from the three pelages which is still named the same today. the syrtes are located in the gulf of gabes plato used the word atlantic pelagos if he meant the atlantic ocean he would have said atlantic okeanos which was also used by other greek writers at that time. Plato also said nessos which means a peninsula or island (example peloponessian war means war in the peninsula of pelopos) Richat is located on a peninsula because back then when the sahara was a forest there is an inner sea (atlantic pelagos ) in the sahara that exits on the gulf of gabes. after the disaster in atlantis the path to atlantis was blocked by a shoal of mud making it unnavigable on the gulf of gabes meaning it was isolated from the Mediterranean. the remnants of this inner sea is the lake tritonis which eventually dried up. the elevation is also not a problem because to be able to reach an elevation of 400 m you will only need 400 km of navigable waterway. where the gradient of the waterway is 1m is to 1km or 1mm to 10m. Azores is not blocked by a shoal of mud and it is located in an okeanos not a pelagos. the rest of the descriptions of plato perfectly fits in addition as stated in the video libya is located after the pillars of heracles which does not match gibaltar but will match gabes. the only possible large lake that is being described is lake tritonis near gabes For a more detailed discussion you could check george sarantitis (plato project) his interpretation fits everything plato has said
This is a question for the students at university on history. How do you manage with such information at your disposal? Are you taking information from these videos or do it the old ways, reading books and all!? I was a student on history in 2006-2008, i quit it after 1 year and i remember being scared for copying other writers because plagiasrism. But today with all this information how you do it?
3:47 they landed in Guinea/Sierra Leone not Cape Verde those trees he is mentioning are very common there. 4:13 isn’t cape palmas that place is round how would you determine the cape ? It is most likely cape three points in Ghana and the lagoon being the Abi lagoon which dose have islands . Also describes a Tom-Tom ,Bells and the flute common to these people.
Meh. I'm going to disagree with you. Just compare Hanno's description with the layout of the Cape Verde islands. He reaches one filled with salt (Sal), then another with trees filled with mountains (Boa Vista). He hits an open ocean and eventually it's the mountain of fire (Fogo, which likely drew them there). Just look at most maps from the 1500s or those that predate the Portuguese discovery. Cape Verde is noted as Cerna, Hespirides, Gorgada, and in some interpretations of the timeline, the Fortunate Islands. With the currents as strong as they are...anyone who thinks Hanno went further South than Cape Verde is a fool.
Exactly where is up to debate. Some say he never got farther than southern Morocco, others say he made it all the way to Cameroon. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanno_the_Navigator
I love your videos. Unfortunately, this particular one was preceded by an irritating ad from Prager U, that almost made me not want to watch it. Pity you can't choose the ads affixed to your work. Do carry on with the great job you're doing.
> when the Project Africa intro shows Thomas Sankara but none of the videos on the playlist are about him. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
the lack of detail is infuriating. "we founded cities". I can only imagine what that process must have been like in ancient exotic uncharted worlds. But all we get is 1 sentence
Well that region they build a city in was not that foreign to them . North Africa or now day Morocco received human immigration and technology transfer from the Mediterranean and middle east since beginning of farming. All the grains and domesticated animals were same. The lydian tribes the ancestors of present day amazigh farmed the land. Build houses and villages. They herded sheep's. So building a colony in this environment was not different from Greeks building a colony in south France and having encounters with the celts. It was still somehow one world connect to same agriculture technology. Same Mediterranean climate with winter rain pattern and same exposure to germs and diseases.
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Exploring as an ancient explorer must have been like traveling to alien worlds
it's weirder than us going to mars nowadays
@@nathan_408 absolutely, we know far more about Mars or any other planet of the solar system for that matter than they knew about Africa.
@@nathan_408 hahaha true
Similar to South London
not really because civilization was already around thousands of years all over the planet, it was just new for europeans
What a fascinating read. When the world was larger, and everything unwritten.
The world around us is still large, all you have to do is to look up.
@@robolo4228 That's true, but there is still a sense of the unknown, where the map of the world could have been very different, and a sense of history, where the nations of the world could have been very different. Imagine a world where Carthage turned the western end of north Africa into a trading center tied to the Mediterranean, or vast trading centers that connected to the Americas hundreds of years earlier.
@@caiawlodarski5339 but at the same time. The exploitation of the earth is the exploration of the universe. Sorry to be pedantic.
@@caiawlodarski5339 drop your phone and start exporing..when i am in new town or area i dont use my phone or gps ..its so much more fun..and when i get lost i actually like it and then ask real people for advice
@@dzonikg yeah i often do that in my town. Electronic maps are shit, it guides me thru narrow alleyways. Ask people however, is much reliable
We have 65 ships and 30,000 people.
*damn, some guys are throwing stones at us, we can't disembark here*
Exactly how I thought
Ancient numbers are generally best taken with a grain of salt (as in divide by 10).
Also, you made up 'some guys'. Most likely warriors, which is kind of inconvenient if you want to take in water and all your crew are sailors.
@@JEELEN2 You just made up 'warriors' yourself...
@@Stripedbottom Oh, I'm sorry, I meant to say
'little kids throwing rocks'.
Of course they were warriors, they scared off sailors. Use your brain.
@@JEELEN2 If you knew anything about the Carthaginians, then you would not be surprised that they could field a fleet of 65 ships and 30 thousand settlers. Given that Carthage came to be out of settling expeditions, and the city alone was half a million inhabitants in its prime.
I love how the journey gets darker and darker, this would be a great movie or Netflix series.
Apocalypse now
Heart Of darkness
To be honest, anything that netflix touches turns to shit.
truly but all these people can produce is crap!
It might have a bad impresion for a story to get more dark the further you get into africa.
Maybe if you do it well and film the natives as monsters to the chakters but normal to the viewer.
Just to make sure nobody gets confused:
When he mentions ethiopians, he means black people. It has nothing to do with the modern country of Ethiopia.
Correct. "Ethiopians" was used in this sense into the early 20th century.
Why do you say this? When modern day Ethiopians trace back to 1000 bc? When you say black what do you mean, My DNA has no connection to Ethiopia neither do any of my family.
@@mannyman1012 what?
@@Pyro-Moloch what do you mean by black people? As in those who were the majority of the slave trade? Or as a general description of anyone with a melanin content higher then that of the Caucasians.
@@mannyman1012 I mean, what greeks meant by "burnt face". That's what the greek word "aethiopian" originally meant, and it was used to describe people with high melanin content.
Btw I'm a native of Caucasus and if you're gonna nitpick about my usage of terminology, I will start nitpicking about your use of the word "Caucasian". Pretty sure you don't mean peoples of Caucasus by it, because we tend to range in melanin from pale-white to dark-brown.
I'll never cease to be gobsmacked by that reference to gorillas as if they were 'savage' humans. Other explorers meet other human groups who they see as beasts or inhuman; Hanno meets members of another species and includes them in humanity.
And then kills and flays them.
@@AceSoprano18 Did he? I didn't know that.
@@MatthewMcVeagh Yeah, it's in this very video.
right?! “never met anyone like her, let me hang her on my wall”
@@AceSoprano18 Well they refused their advances and even bit them.. I am more fascinated that he called them "hairy women" lol, so hairy was the only part abnormal to him
I did my middle school project in Hanno and I can't tell you how joyful and cathartic I feel now. Love this channel!
Kewl Boi listen to the song Al Stewart wrote
@@Insectoid_ it's both annoying and satisfying but the cover art boat is very cool
Hanno was a black guy. A raw ethiopian when they ruled this glohe. EGYPTIANS will tell you that. King Tuts dna was ethiopian E1B1A. God bless you guys!
don't you mean cathargic?
@@justin_5631 u are the best
*And the hairy women had a King,*
who's name was "Kong"
racist
Against, Hairy Women?
Or, Giant Apes? ☝️😐
I don't want either one, in
_my_ Neighborhood! 🖐️😡
Who was a donkey?
Universal Studios wants to know your location to send a DMCA
@@LuizAlexPhoenix
I'm kinda surprised I've never got one before?
This channel might be the first I become a patreon for. Just amazing.
Woops I should set that up! Thank for the kind words!
@@VoicesofthePast please do, would love to support!
I've known about Hanno since I was a teenager and picked up a wonderful old book called 'Great Navigators and Discoverers' in my local library.
I also read that book! Was always interested in the discoverers of ancient times...
The true age of discovery, being an adventurer at this time wouldve been amazing
Besides ths scurvy, and disentary.
Benin Warrior Twice the fun
And very fatal, very fast.
@@beninwarrior4579 empty bowels and limber bones, time to dance.
@@beninwarrior4579 Tjat didn't exist back then
I am so glad that I found this channel, the way that you describe things makes history seem so much more interesting/real/magical. Only thing I have to suggest is that you make the locations a little clearer for these explorers, as at points I was unsure where exactly they were meant to be.
The tricky part is that nobody is completely sure
Good question with an equally good answer ^^
Hannos story is the earliest written reference to gorillas, it wouldn't be until the about the 1840s that the gorilla was officially 'discovered' by science.
Hairy women 😂
Rome also had an encounter with them
@UCN_VBKWj309K0XZ9Hdi_YcA are we even sure they weren't just humans? I mean, if they thought cavemen ran faster than horses, maybe they also mistakenly thought some humans weren't human?
@@Jean-Seb The cavemen who ran faster than horses sound alot like sasquatch.
@@shaiaheyes2c41 Just goes to show how closely humans and gorillas are related. We are both great apes..
they refused to be kidnapped so we flayed them ... damn
*Based.
You get a gorilla bite and you would probably feel like flaying too.
Amazing they could/would even catch them!? I'd be super happy to see them Gorillas run off :-D
@@genericalfishtycoon3853 cringe
I love that I’ve found this channel. I’ve checked out so many of your videos in 4 hours. You have a new sub!
Hurrah! Welcome
Hanno make Africa sound like Middle-Earth
Was back then
Was some kinda of but with black people
If only Hanno knew how much gold there was in west Africa, Carthage might have surpassed Rome
Yeah, they had gold and even some elite citizen soldiers but they relied on mercenaries and lacked generals. Sending away the best generals, like the one Spartan general that just saved your city from the Romans, is a stupid move.
Contrary to popular belief getting into the heart of Africa back then was a whole lot harder than people think, especially before the invention of gun powder and guns. People just didn't return from journeys inland if their intentions were ill.
Or provided rome with more wealth when they sacked carthage
Carthage wouldn’t be able to conquer the local peoples. Their mercenaries wouldn’t put up with the Ivory Coast conditions for long
Rome was humanly superior to carthaginians due to their italic blood, they were bond to greatness
This is a really interesting and intriguing series on the history of the African peoples and places! I've already got them all queued up to watch, one after the other, and am looking forward to them all! I love learning about the deep, rich history of places I will never get to visit, so this has been, is, and I expect will be such a perfect series of videos on just that thing! ❤ Thank all of you for coming together and doing this!
Imagine being a gorilla and getting skinned by some randomers cause you couldn't climb as fast. 😢
Natural selection for better climbers.
Dicks out
Dusty Grrl Even worse, they weren’t actual gorillas they were humans, they just called them gorillas because they were hurry and dark 😢
just shows that nothing has changed
Samuel Appiah No I’m pretty sure they just had never seen apes before so they thought that they were humans
RIP ancient Harambe
This is one of the coolest research channels I've subbed to in a long time. Thank you so much.
So Hanno was playing Civ but IRL.
We all are. We just don't notice cause we're the NPC guys making the hammers, apples, gold and test tubes for the others...
I don't remember the "kill and flay captives" option, if anything it would make for an interesting way to declare war.
@@The_Crimson_Fucker You can't declare war on animals...
You should do the Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks. The Sultan letter and the reply.
The historicity of that is shaky at best.
Sadly they got removed by ottomans after it.
@Joe Blow Yes.
@@captinobvious4705 I thought it was all but verified.
RUclips doesn't like that
Very cool that this record even survived! I had no idea prior to this the carthaginians made it that far down west Africa
4:23 this passage is very reminiscent of HP Lovecraft’s Call of Cthulhu. Maybe even an inspiration for it.
John Benko That’s debatable, I don’t think Lovecraft ever flayed anyone.
@John Benko i mean the fucker was afraid of airco and non visible light.
@@iksarguards i think its implies exual gorrilas not a human
@John Benko Hahahaa I literally opened this comment thread of only four comments because I fucking knew there'd be a comment saying something about "racism" 😂 Never has a man been tarred with that like him from what I can tell. Literally every time I see someone say something about the man, someone follows up with that. I've listened to the vast majority of Lovecraft's work and I've not noticed any particularly rampant racism at all. There's use of language that is politically incorrect and out of date for today, which isn't at all surprising, and there is an attitude that is very "of it's time", but he doesn't strike me as a viciously xenophobic person. I'd have thought that someone who was like that either wouldn't include "others" in his works at all, or would consistently and systematically have "others" represented in terrible ways, like always have them as the bad guys - and he really doesn't do that disproportionately
@@tommeakin1732 Lovecraft was a hardcore racist and hater of Cape Verdeans.
This is my favourite History collab series thus far ! And definitely due for such an under-discussed continent
Glad you enjoyed it
Imagine if he had brought enough provisions to circumnavigate Africa...he already got 1/4 of the way there, his fleet was perfectly capable of it.
Hearing those noises coming from the forest in the dark would have creeped me the hell out. Heck, it sounds spooky hearing about it today.
love the smooth transition and nice emotive narration
Please Always Continue This Series! If this makes you happy please share that happiness with us. I am thankful to have found your channel ☝🏻
One of my favorite accounts. Though I must admit, I'm curious as to how his ships managed to cross cape bojador, considering it not only was a massive reef, but nigh impossible to cross going South to North. It was not until massive ocean going vessels built in the later centuries, that avoiding the cape became a possible option.
Almost 1000 years it's possible the reef didn't even exist at the time
Nah
it is on the wrong location the straight of heracles is actually located in the gulf of gabes not gibaltar as described by aristotle
ARISTOTLE: De Mundo - 393.a.16 to 393b.4
“Firstly then it is said that the Pillars of Heracles are found embraced on the right as one navigates inwards, to the two types of the so called Syrtes (plural of Syrti), of which the one they call great, whereas the other small; and oppositely on exiting the bay not in the same way (as when entering), are formed (in the region outside the bay) three pelages (seas), the Sardinian and that which is named Galatikon (Gallic) or Adrian and following on from them dissecting them sideways vertically is the Sicilian, after this is the Cretan, and following from this, on the one (side) the Egyptian, the Pamfilian and the Syrian, and on the other the Aegean and the Myrtoan”
clearly if it is not the straight of gibaltar because it would be too far off from the three pelages which is still named the same today. the syrtes are located in the gulf of gabes
plato used the word atlantic pelagos if he meant the atlantic ocean he would have said atlantic okeanos which was also used by other greek writers at that time.
Plato also said nessos which means a peninsula or island (example peloponessian war means war in the peninsula of pelopos)
Richat is located on a peninsula because back then when the sahara was a forest there is an inner sea (atlantic pelagos ) in the sahara that exits on the gulf of gabes. after the disaster in atlantis the path to atlantis was blocked by a shoal of mud making it unnavigable on the gulf of gabes meaning it was isolated from the Mediterranean. the remnants of this inner sea is the lake tritonis which eventually dried up.
the elevation is also not a problem because to be able to reach an elevation of 400 m you will only need 400 km of navigable waterway. where the gradient of the waterway is 1m is to 1km or 1mm to 10m.
Azores is not blocked by a shoal of mud and it is located in an okeanos not a pelagos.
the rest of the descriptions of plato perfectly fits
in addition as stated in the video libya is located after the pillars of heracles which does not match gibaltar but will match gabes. the only possible large lake that is being described is lake tritonis near gabes
For a more detailed discussion
you could check george sarantitis (plato project) his interpretation fits everything plato has said
Oh... Wow. That got dark.
It’s interesting how the “gorillas” could have easily instead been chimpanzees, bonobos, or even humans (which would make killing and skinning them even more disturbing). The word “gorilla” comes from Hanno’s account, so we can only rely on the description for clues.
Considering he was pretty far south of the sahara and described them as extremely hairy and "rude" (meaning crudely, roughly, seemingly human from the context) I've always been certain they were not simply native africans. They were likely not gorrillas but were also likely not actual homo sapiens either. I've always thought because of the biting and tree climbing/rock throwing mentioned that they were most likely chimpanzees. Especially as only a few males and many females were found. The interpreters were africans themselves from further north and gave him the word "gorrilla" for the beings in question. I think of all the things they could have been modern african human and gorrilla are the least likely two of all.
they couldn't be humans, because West Africans don't have their bodies covered by hair
No, you're utterly wrong. At 5:28 *the native translators* called them gorillas, not the Carthaginians.
@@RonJohn63 My question was what the translators were calling gorillas. I think chimpanzees/bonobos makes the most sense assuming the descriptions are not embellished.
They were not human they weren’t that stupid
I'd love to hear exploration accounts from Cushite/Ethiopian/Nubian/Egipcian explorers. At the time of Hano, they would have been competitors of Carthage that were just as advanced if not more. Anyway, thanks for this awesome delivery of history documentation.
The Cushite, Ethiopians and Nubians in no way were more advanced than Carthage, that is just re-writing history for PC purposes
@@deanfirnatine7814they most definetely were, even before Carthage existed
@@calm123Ethiopians were advanced at some point of the history but not at the same time as Carthage, they were a typical civilization
Most Axumite and Nubian works were destroyed due to war and political instability, the latter was replaced by later Arab migrants.
@@deanfirnatine7814They actually used to sail together… Cushites/Nubians and Phoenicians… It’s very true…. They were all contemporaries. 👍🏽 I can actually show you some very very compelling evidence of them both in Maya/Olmec territory about 500 b.c.
What a great channel 👏 I've know idea how this never recommended to me,this the type of channel I follow & watch at least 70%..RUclips should be recommending this a hell of a lot more!....got notifications on🌏⛰
Whoa, was this inspired GRRM when he made stories of Targaryen journey through Sothoryos?
@N e g r i t o [tenfold]
wat
@N e g r i t o [tenfold]
You should've introduce yourself to Medieval history. Then again, you wouldn't like it.
N e g r i t o [tenfold] alright buddy clearly can’t separate fantasy from reality. Medieval history is fucked welcome to the real world
@N e g r i t o [tenfold] lol i worked in a pedo-ward when i was in college. They all looked, dressed and talk like GRRM or Jared Fogel. Or somewhere in that spectrum. When something comes out in the next few years, anyone that's surprised is a psycho.
@N e g r i t o [tenfold] lol, he has a novel from the 70s about a black guy that has super powers but he has to keep having sex to keep them. lol sick is the word.
Oh my! That was fascinating. Should talk about the Inca Tupac Yupanqui's expedition across the Pacific at some point!
There's no evidence for that expedition ever took place , it's most likely a legend
Fucking great channel you have man. I think i binged like half your channel in a week. Really cant critic anything other than keep improving the backround video to the narration.
Thanks!
I love this channel !!!!!!
Thank you I really like this channel with very informative history
Never understood the whole alternative/conspiracy history thing the history channel had going on. Looking at the comments; "Oh I guess that there is a huge marked for it then..."
"How much can I get for this toaster. It's from the 40s"
What if Cathage made it to the Americas?
IMO, if Carthage would have won the Punic Wars (unlikely but at least ponderable), America would have been reached a thousand years earlier. Romans were the most uncurious people one can imagine and also rather mediocre sailors. Almost anyone would have made great discoveries but the Romans and their conservative aristocratic mentality.
@@LuisAldamiz I wonder how either the Carthaginians and/or Romans would have fared/interacted with the Native Americans?
Carthaginians were good traders and sailors but also greedy and decadent. Dunno how long they would have lasted before collapse.
@@HistoryandHeadlines - Carthage? I'd expect them to establish trade posts rather than going all conquistador. As for Romans, you already know it because that's exactly what Castile and Portugal are: direct descendants from Romanity in all but name.
@@adomalyon1 - Carnations? Spellcheck needs to be spellchecked.
IMO their empire was solid enough, even if not too innovative in terms military. Otherwise they were not too different from Romans (but much more sea-oriented). A big if is whether a successful Hannibal would have become "emperor" Caesar-style, toppling the "decadent" republic and what effects would it have.
Something I'm pretty sure about is that Gaul would have never been conquered by them (what for?) and that would have allowed for a faster Germanic expansion with unpredictable cascading effects.
Well done. I hope you will do more like this.
Will do! Thanks
This is all very interesting but I think they are missing a modern interpretation. I can’t understand most of the videos I’ve listened to, but did find some explanations in the comments. Good stuff tho!
Thanks! (I think)
But not enough explanations,. The mountain of the gods, what it’s name?
Yey they became friends and chilled with people at the lyxos river in south Morocco. I am proud my ancestors were considered cool by the Karthago travelers
We ichl7ayn are always based😎
They chased gorillas? I wouldn't do that today with modern Firearms at hand. Primate strength is very deceitful. Chimps and gorillas may match some humans in size but those humans would literally get torn limb from limb in a physical fight.
Chimps and gorillas are overrated
They probably didnt chase actual gorrillas, just chimpanzees or other great apes, since the word gorilla originates from this account we dont know what they are actually referencing
1 on 1 they wouldn’t stand a chance, but atleast 3 dudes with a spear and some skill with said spear and the gorrilla is done for.
Their concept of the world was so mystifying.
In ancient times Greeks and others called Africa "Libya" and Black Africans "Ethiopians". The term Africa started during the Roman empire named by General Africanus.
The absolute mad lad
I told hanno he wouldn't cross the pillars of Hercules.
He took the ships and did it, the absolute madman
Can you please do the Qianlong Emperor's letter to George III?
Nice one. You should do Megasthenes' Indica. There is a treasure trove of ancient description in that book.
Great video! When is archaia istoria’s video coming out? I’d love to know more about the Phoenicians in west Africa
Me too! Not sure...
It’s out now go check it out!
I always find it hard to follow these journeys on a map
They give the rough locations during the first half of the journey, but after they get to Liberia, the record kind of vanishes.
Listen to Hanno the Navigator by Al Stewart
"Cavement who ran faster than horses". That was shocking to hear.
several kashmiri and other steppe tribes were reputed to run faster than horses on short sprints upto a few miles
Long live the Lebanese in our ancestral Levantine homeland, the direct descendants of our Phoenico-Canaanites forebears who founded and peopled the city-state of Carthage.
@@ilyaas01 This is one of those dude who tries to tell you all the real kings and queens of Europe were actually black. Don't even waste your words, these people are touched.
WE WUZ KANGZ N SHEEEE1T DAS RIIIIIIITE
@@ilyaas01 Blacks never did anything but build mudhuts, they certainly didn't sail around the world. lol You're not tell me nothing I don't know my dude.
@jeisa Jeis Das riiiiiiiite!
@@genericalfishtycoon3853 As has already been said, sub-Saharan Africa was away from the civilized world in ancient times(like Europe was for a long time), but everything changed in the Middle Ages, where Africans had contact with Arabs and adopted Islam, forming the great Empire of Mali
Better than history channel
There was also something about the Sun moving in the opposite direction, no?
yes but different Carthage/Egyptian trip.
imagine how much more we would have learned if romans wouldnt have burnt carthage...
Or if the library of Alixandria wasn't burnt either. Or if all the Mayan literature wasn't burnt either, etc, etc,
Lol for anyone who claimed Hannibal was black. Here’s your proof that he wasn’t.
Libyans = Berbers/Amazigh people, it's the term used by the ancients derived from the names the Egyptians called the people to the west of them.
Libya means all Africa in ancient times
🎶It's a good day for going to sea, Hanno the navigator said to me🎶
Please do the Letter of Pêro Vaz de Caminha
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_P%C3%AAro_Vaz_de_Caminha
I sense a major motion picture coming, replete with the flaying of hairy savages.
Unfortunately the romans burnt carthage to the ground and all the knowledge was lost.
Carthagenians lived on the west side of the Mediterranean sea. They travelled in the atlantic ocean.
I am sure that many of you have heard the theory that Odessey describes journeys in the Atlantic ocean and the Americas and not in
The Mediterranean sea. Some argue that these journeys were made by the carthagenians. The greek found the stories and appropriated them in their culture.
Nevertheless we will never know for sure as Carthagene was burnt
I don't think your timeline makes sense, honestly. Unless the journey was of a pre-carthaginian odeseus whose ancestors would later settle carthage... which would make them greek, anyways... So, it seems to me that no matter how you cut it, the story was based on greeks and carthage wasnt around for very long by the time the odyssey was written... like 60 years of something. Hanno was way later than homer, and hellenism was beginning to flourish slightly before the founding of carthage.
Would’ve been easier for them if they just used email or fax.
Excellent video!
Thanks!
Carthage must’ve been very very wealthy to be able to sail with 30,000 people with provisions and go on adventures and then sail back.
lotttta people commenting here who either didn't listen until the end, or are uncomfortably chill with some atrocities, ngl
So Carthage was not so barbaric after all. History is written by the victors and Rome defeated and destroyed Carthage. It is a shame that so much history has been lost over time.
No one believe that Carthage was barbaric , greeks descriptions show might and discipline and an army that have a unified uniform just like greeks or rome .
In fact everyone i know believe that carthage was much more advanced than Rome .
Romans didn't even know how to build warships , they stole the design from Carthaginian abondoned ships .
In this very account it's described how they skinned women alive for fun. They also sacrificed children to their gods by burning them.
A Carthaginian (probably): "Everything is on fire and burning, including that mountain over there."
Me in Antmanean demeanor: "what the hell happened here."
Fascinating!
Great video!!
WHO LIVED IN THE LAND TODAY CALLED GAMBIA?
"But on the last day we came to great wooded mountains ( present day Cape Verde ). The wood of the trees was fragrant, and of various kinds.
Sailing around these mountains for two days, we came to an immense opening of the sea, from either side of which there was level ground inland (mouth of modern River Gambia); from which at night we saw fire leaping up on every side at intervals, now greater, now less"
(The Periplus of Hanno, 5th Century B.C.)
This account shows that people lived here by 400 BC. Both the north and south banks of today's River Gambia were populated. Who were they? Libyans?
With stories of sun worshipping in today's Niani, (5000 years) we have to dig deeper than 17 century European explorer accounts. We may find a history never imagined in our wildest dreams.
With human footprints on stones, lets close our history books on Bainunka and search for our ANCESTORS. They have been waiting and angry. Bainuk is a recent kingdom and pales in comparison to 400 BC. The Bainunka found people here.
I don't know who lived here by 400 B.C. but its worth digging. Our story is likely 5000 years old.
SANKOFA
Just Africans. What else would they be? The Bantu came from this area. It's not something peculiar.
Literally a bunch of Bantu people, it ain't special
Great video keep up the fire thanks
I could tell you enjoyed telling this one. It's amazing how much Hano and his crew sounded like infamous colonizers of the European expansionist/imperialist period. Ignorance and bigotry seem to be a fault humans have fallen prey to throughout history.
Love the collaboration and the different styles each of you bring to the project. 🌍💜😎
Thanks!
@@VoicesofthePast Love your work!!! 🌍😎
Real History is much better than that one book implies.
Good share.!
The image of the pillars (straight of Gibraltar) shows Gibraltar on the left side mom the right side we se the now days Moroccan coast and the Spanish city Ceuta. So the view is actually coming from the Atlantic ocean entering the Mediterranean min 00:50
the straight of heracles is actually located in the gulf of gabes not gibaltar as described by aristotle
ARISTOTLE: De Mundo - 393.a.16 to 393b.4
“Firstly then it is said that the Pillars of Heracles are found embraced on the right as one navigates inwards, to the two types of the so called Syrtes (plural of Syrti), of which the one they call great, whereas the other small; and oppositely on exiting the bay not in the same way (as when entering), are formed (in the region outside the bay) three pelages (seas), the Sardinian and that which is named Galatikon (Gallic) or Adrian and following on from them dissecting them sideways vertically is the Sicilian, after this is the Cretan, and following from this, on the one (side) the Egyptian, the Pamfilian and the Syrian, and on the other the Aegean and the Myrtoan”
clearly if it is not the straight of gibaltar because it would be too far off from the three pelages which is still named the same today. the syrtes are located in the gulf of gabes
plato used the word atlantic pelagos if he meant the atlantic ocean he would have said atlantic okeanos which was also used by other greek writers at that time.
Plato also said nessos which means a peninsula or island (example peloponessian war means war in the peninsula of pelopos)
Richat is located on a peninsula because back then when the sahara was a forest there is an inner sea (atlantic pelagos ) in the sahara that exits on the gulf of gabes. after the disaster in atlantis the path to atlantis was blocked by a shoal of mud making it unnavigable on the gulf of gabes meaning it was isolated from the Mediterranean. the remnants of this inner sea is the lake tritonis which eventually dried up.
the elevation is also not a problem because to be able to reach an elevation of 400 m you will only need 400 km of navigable waterway. where the gradient of the waterway is 1m is to 1km or 1mm to 10m.
Azores is not blocked by a shoal of mud and it is located in an okeanos not a pelagos.
the rest of the descriptions of plato perfectly fits
in addition as stated in the video libya is located after the pillars of heracles which does not match gibaltar but will match gabes. the only possible large lake that is being described is lake tritonis near gabes
For a more detailed discussion
you could check george sarantitis (plato project) his interpretation fits everything plato has said
This is a question for the students at university on history. How do you manage with such information at your disposal? Are you taking information from these videos or do it the old ways, reading books and all!? I was a student on history in 2006-2008, i quit it after 1 year and i remember being scared for copying other writers because plagiasrism. But today with all this information how you do it?
Can you do the requirement the spaniards read to the natives?
coul you please narrate ibn bttuta's story in the mali?
I wonder if the people dropped off on islands to start new colonies were volunteers or forced into it. Probably a combination of both.
Confusing account of "Ethiopians" and sailing east along the coast of Western Africa.
Ethiopia was originally a word for black people or the darker peoples south of the Sahara. While north africa was called Libya
They had mistaken gorillas for humans?????
probably. even though I didn`t knew the west Africa also had anthropoids.
3:47 they landed in Guinea/Sierra Leone not Cape Verde those trees he is mentioning are very common there. 4:13 isn’t cape palmas that place is round how would you determine the cape ? It is most likely cape three points in Ghana and the lagoon being the Abi lagoon which dose have islands . Also describes a Tom-Tom ,Bells and the flute common to these people.
Meh. I'm going to disagree with you. Just compare Hanno's description with the layout of the Cape Verde islands. He reaches one filled with salt (Sal), then another with trees filled with mountains (Boa Vista). He hits an open ocean and eventually it's the mountain of fire (Fogo, which likely drew them there). Just look at most maps from the 1500s or those that predate the Portuguese discovery. Cape Verde is noted as Cerna, Hespirides, Gorgada, and in some interpretations of the timeline, the Fortunate Islands. With the currents as strong as they are...anyone who thinks Hanno went further South than Cape Verde is a fool.
0:20 Carthage ordered their king?
Read about carthage and democracy
you would have thought that there were so few people that most of the world was wilderness, but people were fucking everywhere even then
5:57 So they got as far as modern day Liberia?
Exactly where is up to debate. Some say he never got farther than southern Morocco, others say he made it all the way to Cameroon. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanno_the_Navigator
A small reminder of a coloutful intriguing past . Lebanese and Tunisian history my habibis .
Golden Trade of the Moors quotation.
Must have been something to make a voyage of discovery in those days
History!!
Please do account of Megasthanes on India
Imagine if Carthage made some colonies along the coast?
Liberal: "he didnt discover anything, people were already there."
I love your videos. Unfortunately, this particular one was preceded by an irritating ad from Prager U, that almost made me not want to watch it. Pity you can't choose the ads affixed to your work. Do carry on with the great job you're doing.
Imagine being salty over an ad
@@penguinscrumbles1402 If you had seen that one, you probably would have turned into The Great Salt Lake. Believe me.
> when the Project Africa intro shows Thomas Sankara but none of the videos on the playlist are about him.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Probably wasn't gonna pop up in this video though
@@VoicesofthePast I know just, in general, none of the videos feature him. Didn't know where best to mention it.
We killed some Gorillas, than came home.
That's the avatar font in the thumbnail, isn't it?
Charriot of the Gods=Mt. Cameroon
the lack of detail is infuriating. "we founded cities". I can only imagine what that process must have been like in ancient exotic uncharted worlds. But all we get is 1 sentence
Well that region they build a city in was not that foreign to them . North Africa or now day Morocco received human immigration and technology transfer from the Mediterranean and middle east since beginning of farming. All the grains and domesticated animals were same. The lydian tribes the ancestors of present day amazigh farmed the land. Build houses and villages. They herded sheep's. So building a colony in this environment was not different from Greeks building a colony in south France and having encounters with the celts. It was still somehow one world connect to same agriculture technology. Same Mediterranean climate with winter rain pattern and same exposure to germs and diseases.
2:48 he reached the Richat structure... The city of Atlantis