Did Ancient People Sail around Africa? | Phoenicians, Carthage, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Africa
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1. at 3:40 that guy they/historians dont know if he got to gorilla's or chimps or just black africans or small pygmy's . he did bring back remains that were skinned/stuffed and they lasted for 100-200 years till the romans burned the city down.
2. later when a chinese official tried to reach Rome the sailors he meet said yes but we need supply's for a year's worth for the travel traveling around africa. when he was just 2 weeks on foot away from rome's paylmara
3. when the second spanish ship went to the americas a canoe went up to the ship the natives went and talked to them in spanish...... so yes the spanish was/were low key knew about the america before Christopher Columbus. it was only 1 month and a week away from a group of islands the spanish owned and spanish ships most likely coming up from africa would get blown off by winds and winding up in the americas. well at least south america
Instead of pre-Colombian exploration of the americas you should do a video of exploration of Antarctica/terra australis
@@hoodclassicsofcalifornia we know devisovans made it to Australia 100k years ago
Just for clarification, it wasnt just tobacco found in Ramsey's system, but cocaine as well. Which was confirmed to be in his system, not just on him cosmetically
It is well established that the Acheans were the first that went from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic Ocean, since their artifacts are found all around Denmark
This is always been quite the fascinating subject for me. And how maps back then oftentimes depicted Africa as an island instead of a continent.
Considering that the ancestors of the Polynesians were able to populate virtually every habitable island in the vast Pacific with less shipbuilding technology than the Phoenicians, I see no reason why the circumnavigation of Africa couldn't be achieved by a skilled crew in those times
White Phoenicians made it to the Pacific. They were rather good at keeping secrets, esp. with the stupid Romans. Phoenicians were skilled as fuck, using a swastika to navigate the North Star, making it back and forth to the Americans until they were so spread out the Romans finally beat 'em. So much evidence of white architecture/construction from North to South America.
I think the line, "they claimed they saw the Sun mount into the North rather than the South, but I don't believe that" was the clincher that they really DID sail around Africa. Only by sailing south of the Equator could they have seen that happen.
Of course they sailed around Africa, they sailed to America as well, I just watched a doc called The Raft where this anthropologists sailed from Africa to Mexico on a dinky raft without a motor.
@@Byronic19134 Anciet sailing from the mediterranean to the Americas is hypothetical.
Ancient sailing from the Mediterranean around Africa is well-documented.
As for who discovered America or any other lamdmass. I consider it not important who was the first actually reach any said place, but instead who brought back word of that discovery which thereafter cause continual journeys to further explore and develop. And in that regard the Spanish discovered America and the Portuguese discovered the route around Africa.
White Phoenicians discovered America 2500 years ago. From the copper mines in Lake Michigan to the bee huts in Eastern Atlantic Coast, Cohakia(I misspelled). graves off Florida, native tribes' names based on paleo-Hebrew(Mojave = Maccabes), down the the pyramids of South America and the rampart-ditch systems & other civilizations of South America. Sorry the Marranos just came into America.
@@chriskazaam896 phoenicians have never been classed as 'white', ever. They are semetic, or the ethnic group that consisted of middle Eastern people including but not limited to the isrealites, who as we know were never classed as white and specifically genocided multiple times for not being 'white'.
Stop projecting.
Humans can develop almost exactly identical technology in complete isolation to one another, it's been recorded many times throughout history as evidence of pattern recognition by humanity.
@@northernnaysayer1240 Jewish historians don't want you to know that they or the Israelites were pure white. That's why they made Hannibal black on the "History" channel., "Semitic" just represents geography. Whitey was all over the middleeast and Africa(aka Ethiopia, named after the Greeks the jews imported them into their lands. As far as genociding "Israelites" for not being white, please give an example. And no, Jews ain't white.
@@chriskazaam896 Wrong on so many levels. Semitic represents a language family, pure and simple. Yes, Israelites would have been rather fair skinned, same as Lebanese people today. Most Middle Easterners were considered Caucasian long ago and even by some stats today so not really that far off to call them white.
@@songcramp66 Modern day Lebanese are mongrels with white-ish skin, like Jews, the most mongrelized diverse peoples in the world. Both groups of peoploe have nothing to do with pure white Israelites or PHoenicians. You're either white or you ain't. To add another layer...if "race" requires both parents to be of the same breed, then only whites can be a "race." Mix a white with (mongoloid, mestizo, negroid) and you always get the latter. That means they are not a race.
I've heard of a theories that Navarrese fishermen in the medieval era went out to the Grand Banks off Newfoundland to fish and Buddhist pilgrims got to all the way into what would be the southwestern US and became the Zuni people. Maybe you could explore early and uncertain Old World-New World connection theories like this.
Also the blue eyed, blonde indian tribes in the americas, who got the term red skin because of the sunblock they used for their fair skin
Def need an episode on Austronesians and especially Polynesian exploration (was Rapa Nui architecture inspired by Andean architecture)?
Polynesians reaching South America prior to Colombus and also reaching Madagascar are interesting ones and well supported by the evidence as is Norse reaching Canada. More tenuous claims which I'm inclined to believe are Basque fishermen routinely fishing off the coast of North America.
Most claims though should be treated very sceptically, until there is some solid evidence other than just second hand accounts.
Hanno voyage is probably one of my favourites. It's fascinating and intriguing to imagine how far they went and what would happen if these trips became regular! Great Video!
The Mali King sailing to the West is one of the biggest what-ifs in history
Biggest bs in history
@@monisomo8487 The biggest bs in history was that Columbus discovered the Americas, eventhough there were already peoples in Americas thousands of years before the arrival of Columbus, and also, there are literally accounts of Abubakari II making his voyage through the Atlantic Ocean in 1311....
@@MichaelClayton64 the biggest bs is what your spouting 🤣🤣 Columbus discovered the Caribbean and mali story is true fiction written as here say buy an Egyptian historian 🤪🤪
@@stevenwheeler5324 No he didn't, there were already indigenous inhabitants of the Caribbean that lived in the West Indies thousands of years prior to the arrival of Columbus...so no, that is not factually correct, but you are free to believe what you want, Abubakari II did set sail around the Atlantic Ocean and he died in 1311 according to Wikipedia, but whether he did landed in the Americas is a subject of debate.
Lol, africans didn't even discover madagascar and the canaries.
bc of you videos I ve learned more on toilet than in class
Yeah, I expected to see the Phoenicians/Carthaginians on here, thanks to the tale of Hanno.
Well there was the reported ancient amphore found at the "Bay of Jars in Brazil where Brazilian authorities dumped tons of soil and rocks over a suspected Phoenician wreck. And there were the Phoenician writings found in the Rio de Plata region of South America. As well as an early Portugese/Spanish report of an ancient shp in the mud of the Amazon River
Great vid as always man
Agreed.
In case anyone didn't know - Libya was the name for the untamed African continent at large.
But there is a distinction between Libyan and Ethiopian
I’ve always been interested by stories of sporadic contact between Native Americans on the west coast of America and Japanese shipwrecks blown off course by the gulf stream, it seems perfectly plausible that Native Americans had occasional small scale contact with peoples from East Asia that were never significant enough to leave any trace in the archaeological record. After all, there are records of Chinese and Japanese junks washing up on the coast of California throughout the 19th century. Doesn’t it stand to reason that there were earlier events like that?
As someone from Rio de Janeiro, I have to mention local folklore that the phoenicians were here, and supposedly left inscriptions and some treasure, besides carving the face of one of them (or their king) in the Gávea Rock.
All of the supposed links are dismissed as fake evidence planted and dellusions, but I like it as a story and a story that inserts itself in our History...
Also, the famous but provably inexistent jesuit treasure that was located in the supposed caverns under their college (one of the first buildings in the city of Rio, atop the Castelo Hill, which no longer exists) is, in some versions, linked to the abandoned phoenician treasure
Damn straight. The pyramids of South America have same architectural positions as the Phoenician=Egyptian versions. Still lookin at those rampart-ditches they discovered and are being destroyed now.
Absolutely fantastic video!
Idk if it's controversial or widely disputed, but I believe the theory that the Polynesians made it to the west coast of South America.
Thank you
Definitely wanna see the Mali discovering America one. The evidence for it is largely circumstantial tho
There is no evidence of it.
@@monisomo8487 There are literally accounts of Abubakari II making his voyage through the Atlantic ocean in 1311....
@@MichaelClayton64 The "accounts" are just one egyptian rembembering that Mansa Musa mentioned it which he likely made up to explain how the previous ruler vanished, he likely murdered him, exiled him or he died an embarassing death. Because africans write down history we will never know.
@@alphana7055 How did you know that he made it up? Were you there? And dieing in the Ocean wasn't "embarrassing" my guy, the Atlantic Ocean is massive and can easily sink a ship, especially a ship from the 14th century.
@@MichaelClayton64 There is simply no source on that besides an egyptian writing that mansa musa told him, it is the most low quality evidence possible, besides Mali was too promitive to built even built even long-range coast hugging ships which is why they relied on inferior transsaharan trade routes, if they had a navy Musa would have just sailed along the african coast to egypt.
The Bantu people of central and west-central Africa did not even colonize their nearby islands. How could they sail to South America?
The islands near Africa were in various time periods settled by Berbers, austronesians, or Portuguese.
Madagascar was settled by a people that lived farther to it than sub Saharan Africans. Imagine that.
The Bantu colonised Madagascar once they got to the East African coast. West Africans are not bantu and had no islands to colonise
@@makeytgreatagain6256 So the Cape Verde archipelago (which was uninhabited when discovered by the Portuguese) and the Canaries (inhabited by North African people still in the stone age when discovered) are not on the West coast of Africa?
@@ΕρνέστοςΣμίθ Cape Verde is quite far out and considering the weird atlantic currents of west african coast it was essentally impossible for ships to sail there for the natives at the time even the Malian Sultans which had good ships not canoes like most africans were most likely unable to reach there due to the weird block current of west africa which made sailing essentally impossible unless you swift out west into the atlantic ocean which isnt possible from the west afrcian coast or at least unknown.
Canarie islands were north african so had nothing to do with west africans, i have no idea why you brought them up
For the Americas I think the reason so many people think that a civilization selling their is a highlight is for one simple reason there’s a vast ocean into my knowledge very little islands so the idea at least makes sense and why some people would think you’ll be a highlight and by the way I want you to talk about the Polynesian making it to America
interesting stuff, thanks! the proceeding of exploration and discovery of the world is fascinating. the steps to determine knowledge.
Imma telling ya all there were them Norse in ma Azores!
Why the heck not? Distance from Azores to Lisbon just 300 km more than from Iceland to Norway, and Norse visited Lisbon quite often. Also, there is a DNA study that shows that local Azoran mice are probably of Scandinavian rather than Iberian descent. So, Vikings probably visited or even lived there abut at the time it was a butthole in a middle of nowhere on a dead-end speaking of trading routs. Thus the place quickly becomes abandoned and forgotten.
@@090giver090 I know:) I think the real question is wether they got stranded there or if they settled voluntarily.
Phoenician ships may have been faster than 15th century ships because they had oars.
Only Carthage attempted to sail around Africa, it was West Africa, in an attempt to settle Carthaginian settlements for recent Phoenician immigrants, and to find the source of the gold trade from inner Africa. They never found the source and just traded with local people on the coast in an old barter type system. They discovered Gorillas, captured a few female gorillas, then killed them as they were too aggressive.
Necho II, son of Nacho the Great and Queen Chimichanga. Can't you English speakers make the effort for a correct pronunciation that doesn't sound like a joke?
I forget where, but I read a medieval source from Britain that described a tiny mountainous "land of ice and fire" to the north a few days' sailing west of Ireland, now generally thought to be Jan Mayan. Interestingly, the text goes on to say (paraphrasing) "if you sail westward for about a week, you will come to a temperate place with many bays and dense forests."
Tell me that doesn't sound like North America. That information probably came to whichever monk wrote it down from the Norse, who we know for a fact reached Newfoundland and Labrador at very least. That could make for a nice follow-up, Jabzy.
Saint Brendan
Jews won't be lettin you in on that Celtic tradition. Of course the phoenicians sailed the pre-British Isles and guess who were their descendents? Amazing celtic structures built up and down the North & South American continents.
You should do a 4-6 episode series of the colonisation of the muslim world from the 1700s to even now
I would like the history of how muslims enslaved africans from the 700 until today, thank you
Ancient Greeks and Romans explored various regions of the world, and wrote books about these journeys--these books are lost to history. Destroyed in some legendary military campaigns? Nope. Book worms chomping at the texts in damp basements, over great lengths of time, mostly.
Very interesting video
I like to entertain the theory that ancient sailors in the Pacific reached south America in prehistory. The only "evidence" is that there are sweet potatoes in the Philipines and they've been there longer than anyone can remember. Sweet potatoes come from south America.
Of course they did why do people think these seafaring cultures did not sail all over the place? It's like a Mongol not following the Steppe all the way to Eastern Europe like of course they were going too its what they did. We already have proved it's not only possible but dare I say safe and easy enough to do on a reed raft using stars as navigation.
The tarout castle in the Persian gulf is said to be built on a Phoenician temple? This is on wiki
Some Phoenicians could be resettled to Persian gulf's shores by Achaemenids to supervise shipbuilding and maritime navigation in the area. Such "relocations" are quite usual for these times.
Great video !
But they wouldn't need to why would they want to they would just go down the east or down the west. Even then peoples later came to forget how much Sub-Saharan Africa there was
The Theory that Polynesians reached South America is worth examining.
The Polynesians making contact with South America
Over centuries? 😅 Vs one month? 😂 Big difference
@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 Duration does not invalidate the feat especially as Leif Erikkson found North America in a duration longer than a Month.
@@InquisitorXarius but he was one group of people. Not generations slowly migrating from island to island. So YES it does invalidate it. It's entirely different intention....and its far more dangerous. Therefore the discovery either goes to the Vikings or Columbus or the Vespucci. Not the natives.
@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 I’m sorry what? How do the Native Civilizations and their peoples in any logical way not get credit for being the first Humans in the Americas.
@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 Also what do mean just because it took more somehow invalidates the Polynesians reaching the Americas because we know for a fact they did regardless of how long it took it doesn’t matter because they still found it.
You should look into and discuss the Polynesians reaching South America a few hundred years before the Europeans. This is backed up by the proliferation of the sweet potato and the curious piece of evidence that the word for sweet potato in Polynesian "Kumara" is shared with a group of Peruvians. Sweet Potatoes are, of course, from South America and their traverse into the Pacific could have been due to storms but the naval skill of Polynesians at the turn of the 11th century CE could have meant that the plants proliferation could have been artificial.
According to Pthyeas of Massalia yes
Eventually this myth that ancient sailors were incapable of ...sailing will go the way of the myth everybody thought the world was flat back then. These ancient people knew the world was a globe and they knew how to sail, and most important is they absolutely needed to sail to find resources and minerals that were not present in they're homeland. Like tin to make copper. There was no trip too risky if it meant precious metal was on the other side they would sail to the moon for gold if they could.
Imagine being one boat ride away from being rich that was theyre mindset.
Scott wolter did a show on Menzies theory that Zheng hu went to America. Does that hold any water? I figured If it was on the history channel it probably isn’t true
Water isn't a barrier, its a highway.
An interesting topic is if the Phonecians had prolonged contact with Ireland and Britain in ancient times.
They did
Ireland no, Britain yeah but it was only for copper and tin.
@@martonyomchale342 check out the folklore of Ireland and the middle east. Furthermore they have found the redhair in Ireland has a link with the middle eastDNA.
@@Trysomieflexntjesthere certainly wasn’t enough phonecians to cause such a drastic genetic change
Most Gorillas do not spend anytime in trees. Some juveniles and even adults will occasionally climb trees, but Gorillas are ground dwelling great apes.
Also, you’re not dragging an angry gorilla anywhere, even a female. They would rip a man apart. More likely Hano and his men encountered Bonobos or Chimps, but even they are much stronger than a man.
It’s interesting that Hano described them as hairy humans instead of acknowledging that those “gorillas” were animals. Strange… 🤔
Bible tells how king Solomon sent king Hiram’s ships from Tyre to Tarsis which is probably Cadiz in Spain. Ships returned every 3 years and they brought gold, silver, ivory, monkeys and peacocks. Peacocks are from India.
Well,thought we Knew Vikings were there prior?
And no Mali didn't put ships at sea, it's an afro-centric talking point from the same people who will say with a full chest "homosexuality didn't exist in pre-colonial Africa". It's a old tale and in reality the guy who said his brother went on a magical voyage across the Atlantic killed his brother to take the throne then made the story up. West Africa maritime history is actually interesting but afrocentrics would rather talk about fantasy. Don't entertain their B.S. There is a misinformation problem in the Black community. And afro-centric talking points long debunked on older social platforms like RUclips and popping back up on TikTok, and when you flag, nothing gets done.
Tbh there no way to tell, one way or the other, to tell if the voyage happened or not. We don’t know if Musa Keita II made it up. That’s just as unconfirmed as the previous Mansa’s voyage. All we know is what an Egyptian Scholar wrote down. Both possibilities are equally plausible.
Look into St Brendan’s voyage to the New World
There are many writings
In greek
The Arabs circumnavigating Africa as well.
In the Bible it says that king Solomon made a pact with the phonecians, and they sailed to the land of "Ophir" bringing with them gold, monkeys, ivory, and peacock. Might be interesting to look into that (in fact that's the reason the Solomon Islands are named after king Solomon)
Very good
Not going to lie- I liked the videos better without the mouth movements. They're a little distracting.
His gorillas sound more like chimpanzees in my opinion.
Ahh, QR codes in add most are seeing on their phone 🤣
So let me get this straight, hanno thought gorillas were hairy unruly people who wouldn’t comply with being captured so his solution was to skin them?
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And why do you have soooo many extensive videos about the history of Africa and barely any for the history of Europe? I find that quite odd, are you South African or something?
This video is neither about Europe nor Africa if you think about it
If you want to learn more about the man that sailed around Africa in 600 BC you can learn by reading the Book of Mormon.
The Book of Mormon describes the man and his lineage that settled in Africa after the journey. Years after he died, one of his descendants describes Africa as a "Land South" "Surrounded by water" and connected to the "Land North" by a "Small Neck of Land". These terms are identical to what Herodotus says the sailor discovered about Africa. Africa is a "broad" land "bounded by the sea except where it boarders on Asia".
The Book describes the effort to construct a ship and some details about the sailing journey.
Because of the way the book was translated the explorer Hanno is referred to as Hagoth. His sailings are detailed as well.
Non-Mormons haven't read the Book of Mormon and active Mormons are under the impression the sailing was from Egypt to America. Thus Mormons fall into one of the groups described at the beginning of this video as those that believe Jews sailed to Ancient America.
Apparently the doofus did that voyage to prove the book of mormon correct lmao
Such a based topic
The Maori not being the 1st people to discover New Zealand
@Shy Cracker If you are talking about the Moriori then you are very wrong. The Moriori were a group of Māori that left to what we now call the Chatham islands. They developed their own culture as they were separated from the mainland Māori. In 1835 two iwi (tribes) Ngāti Tama and Ngāti Mutunga went out in search of new territories and resources, they came across the Moriori on the chathams and what they did was terrible yes. But Moriori still exist to this day although in significantly smaller numbers and it wasn't all Māori it was two iwi. The main reason why the death toll was so high is because the Moriori refused to fight back due to Nukunuku's law which banned murder and cannibalism. The myth of Moriori being the orignal inhabitants was pushed by the government and now by white supremacists to discredit Māori claims of indigenous status and also to demonize Māori.
@@tylerq-b3001 justice for the Moriori.
@@jacklaurentius6130 They have received justice. Nothing will ever make up for what happened and the pain is still felt within the Moriori and to an extent the Māori community but they have received an apology from the crown and a settlement of 18 million which is the closest thing to justice they can get. Yet the statement still stands they weren't in Aotearoa before the Māori, they went to Rekohu as Māori and formed their own culture also they still exist
i don't think that hanno the navigator went all the way to central africa and found gorillas. this is an oft-repeated claim online that i find absolutely laughable. let me explain why. firstly, do we really think that hanno the navigator mistook a gorilla for a human covered in hair? he didn't use the word beast or animal or anything of the sort, he used the word people. "savage people, the greater part of whom were women, whose bodies were hairy, and whom our interpreters called Gorillae" would anyone here be inclined to call a gorilla a person? i'm sure the hairy women of africa is one of many, many mythical beasts said to inhabit the region at the time, for example blemmyes or headless men, and hanno's claim to have witnessed them is more likely a propaganda tool to emphasise his great explorative journey than having any basis in reality.
secondly and far more importantly, it wasn't hanno's "discovery" of gorillas that led to the word being used in english; it was early explorers Thomas Staughton Savage and Jeffries Wyman who used the scientific name troglodytes gorillas to describe the giant primates, resurrecting the ancient term. the species name was derived from ancient greek Γόριλλαι (gorillai) 'tribe of hairy women', from the hanno story. in other words, they came up with a name that was inspired by an ancient greek word, which in turn was inspired by hanno's story. the modern term gorilla and the gorillas described by hanno have completely and utterly nothing to do with one another, but it sounds like a fun story to repeat endlessly online and so the chain goes on
They could have done it they were supposed to be very good sailors but I do know when it comes down to Africa especially sub-Saharan Africa people just seem to think that nothing could ever be done. As if there was some type of invisible force field over sub-Saharan Africa. And yes there was a Sahara desert but it's a hard desert wasn't as large as it is now 2,000 + years ago.
Simple. Becuwse Africans are not hairy and do not run up trees when they are being invaded and bite kick and scream. Your grasping at straws her but stop and ask yourself when was the last time you saw an hairy black male, then stop and ask yourself when was the last time you heard or saw a hairy black woman. I’ll tell you it doesn’t exist. It was a gorrila or monkey or some other ape it mistook for a human somehow
Why are they always so many racist and condescending comments all throughout your RUclips comments? Does this ever make you question your information and how you present it or is this evocation of anti African sentiment deliberate on your part?
For the Americas, the idea that Mali, or the Phonecians, or the Romans personally arise my skepticism.
It's certainly possible that a ship was blown off course, and maybe even some survivors arrived across continents, but the idea of any kind of intentional travel or trading relationship is difficult to prove without a lot more evidence than we currently have. And the Chinese one is pure nonsense at least if it is based on the Chinese Zheng He voyages in the early 1400's
There is one travel to the Americas though that despite not being currently accepted by scholars I do believe happened. That's the Irish. There are oral accounts in Ireland of a journey, and there is a backup for the Irish visiting in the accounts of the Norse, that we know have some truth to them. The claims of finding some Irish writing in the Americas also appear to me to be more credible than similar claims made for other cultures. I'd put the odds of this having happened somewhere well north of 80%.
Oh and the Polynesians of course they definitely traveled to the Americas.
I don't believe you I only believe Phoenician and asian voyages
There’s actually a lot of evidence and it has been proven to be possible to do relatively easily by an archeologist who built an Egyptian (I think) style boat and sailed between the new and old worlds
There’s actually a lot of evidence and it has been proven to be possible to do relatively easily by an archeologist who built an Egyptian (I think) style boat and sailed between the new and old worlds
I think this is worth noting. Although we lack direct contact between Egypt-Congo alone, we know very well that Ancient Egyptian loanwords exist in many Congolese tribes. What's even crazier is you'll find loanwords in Kenya and even the Zulu tribes. That is how extensive Egyptian influence was on all of Africa.
If you compare modern Nigerian hats to ancient Egyptian hats, you'll notice they're the exact same style that require sturdy African hair to support the hats. ;)
On regards to the Egyptian mummies, the hair was washed to eliminate contamination and still proved positive for cocaine. Don't believe Egyptians weren't capable of such indirect trade at minimum? Go to Mesoamerica, you'll find a hybrid African-Egyptian cotton hybrid with 26 chromosomes. Yup, Asians and Africans even reached America in the ancient times.
I don't know if these have been covered before, but I would like to present these three video ideas:
There are Ptolemaic Egyptian Hieroglyphs in Austrailia which suggest a ship had either explored the area or was blown way off course by a storm. Story goes they shipwrecked on a sandbar just off the coast where they all died of dehydration/starvation, but a few of them (being the strongest swimmers) made it to shore and recorded the story in the side of a large boulder.
There is a theory that Europe/ Middle East civilizations didn't have enough copper for what was needed for bronze age society and got it from mining in upper Michigan.
There is another theory that Cristopher Columbo already knew of the New World before setting sail in 1492 and had received the information either from some Templar remnant or had heard stories of the Norwegian "Vinland" and wanted to re-discover the lost colony.
Sailing to the Americas from Europe required ship building technology, the caravel, was needed before the crossing could be made. I think there would be more records too, so it sounds very unlikely. The Norse made the journey yes, but this happened small scale over a long period of settling closer and closer from Iceland and Greenland, and they only made it as far as the north-east tip of the Americas, according to physical evidence.
@@Harrier_DuBois Negative, the Caravel was not needed as evidenced by the Polynesians crossing just as large of a distance with arguably more primitive ships than what the ancient Phoenicians had. The only reason the Medieval Europeans needed the Caravel was because they didn't know how to survive off of the ocean nor did they know how to treat scurvy.
@Shy Cracker the estimated amount of copper in Sweden at that time is not nearly enough to supply the demand required for the bronze age to have occurred as it did. Also, at that time, Sweden was in a near Ice Age like climate and was basically uninhabitable save for a few small groups of hunter/gatherers. It just wouldn't be possible to get anything more than small amounts of surface level copper in the south of the country.
@@DKforever24 So Europeans used rafts to cross the atlantic? and transported large amounts of copper but somehow left no evidence. They would have advanced seafaring methods that somehow disappeared completely. Not likely.
The Italians already knew about the Americas
Ancient Egypt "and" Ancient Africa? Egypt is in Africa and is an ancient African civilization, Afro pic combs and all 🙄And the Egyptians during Hapshetsut and long before her rule, sailed to Punt, which is modern day Horn of Africa. They took a sea route. Also they found a statue of Thutmose II near the Congo river. Africans themselves sailed around their continent
Well we dont know if Punt is really in Somalia as there have been other proposed locations . We know it had coasts on the Red Sea but other than thst its debated. Even Wikipedia has an image for Punt as if its located in Eritrea
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@@cgt3704 no your white thus your opinion is biased we know your schemes trying to hide the truth of African Egypt ramesses the great was actually black the first great man was actually black!!!!!! Fools the Europeans stole the great man for themselves don’t you know, all that dna data is pure falsehood. ( this is a reference to how some people try to depict all of Egyptian society and history as being completely dominated by one race)
@@cgt3704 yeah but from what I've research many historians do put Punt in the Horn of Africa. But I do know there is a group of people who just have a problem with anything positive coming out of sub-Saharan Africa.
@@blackismyfavoritecolor869 well its not that noone cares about africa. Its that the claim that Punt is in Somalia was made by the ancient Greeks (remember these guys lived over 600 years after Hatshepsut wasconsidered to have died) and we dont have a lot of detailed contemporary accounts as this was during the Bronze Age (which the period itself didnt left a lot of surviving account for us to work with).
Edit:and yes, even tho most historians say Punt may be in Somalia, but it doesnt really mean its the truth. As science isnt stationary and many scientists may shift their favour from one theory to another whenever new evidence comes out.
1. at 3:40 that guy they/historians dont know if he got to gorilla's or chimps or just black africans or small pygmy's . he did bring back remains that were skinned/stuffed and they lasted for 100-200 years till the romans burned the city down.
2. later when a chinese official tried to reach Rome the sailors he meet said yes but we need supply's for a year's worth for the travel traveling around africa. when he was just 2 weeks on foot away from rome's paylmara
3. when the second spanish ship went to the americas a canoe went up to the ship the natives went and talked to them in spanish...... so yes the spanish was/were low key knew about the america before Christopher Columbus. it was only 1 month and a week away from a group of islands the spanish owned and spanish ships most likely coming up from africa would get blown off by winds and winding up in the americas. well at least south america
Source for the last claim?
@@YaBoiDREX its very famous tale/story.
@@stupidminotaur9735 But you said second Spanish ship. Which makes sense since they had already been contacted before
@@YaBoiDREX no christfor landed with the first ship/fleet hundreds of miles away not even close. christfor landed on islands 2nd ship it was right on top of SA/vensuala