“If you can’t name at least five black metal bands from every Scandinavian country, how can you enjoy the genre?” -someone in my local scene with an Ulver shirt
I remember being called a poser by some 20 year black metal fan a few years back due to wearing an Emperor shirt - I had to point out I'd been listening to them for many years BEFORE he was actually born...... Oh, and I also pointed out that if I was a poser then so was he because he was wearing a Darkthrone "Blaze" shirt.....
All forms of arrogance come from a deep seed of insecurity. Remember if someone is putting you down it's truly because they feel threatened or inferior in some way. Unless you do something deliberately provocative to them, they're just showing their own weakness. Hails!
A perfect case of this is Metallica being in Stranger Things this is a perfect way for people to be introduced into the music and start their journey yet old men are stomping these people out because they "had it easy" and didn't pull master of puppets out of their older brother's crusty record bin in 1986 and therefore think they don't deserve to listen to the music because the way people consume music has changed in the past 40 years and that's still a shock to them
I’m an older metalhead 50 now and I’ve been listening since I was 15 in 1987. I’m all for however people discover this music as long as they discover it. I also have never understood how some older fans act that way. Not everyone is able to discover it through friends/family so let people find it however they have to. 15 November 2022
That annoyed me so much. I couldn't believe how negative people were about that. Or should I say some people? Anyway, that whole thing with Eddie playing Master of puppets is like something metalheads used to draw in notebooks back in high school. A metalhead playing guitar and some evil underworld and there's bats flying around blah blah blah and lightning in the background.... You can't get more stereotypical metal and awesome than that! I don't care if it's a TV show, movie or whatever. If it gets people into music, that's fantastic! I got into the doors from the movie. Obviously their songs were all over it and I found myself loving them and bought their albums. If it wasn't for that movie, I probably wouldn't have discovered them until way later in life
Yes its all perspective and its funny / cool the passion that is metal because in the grand scheme of things metal is a very very new art form. And people are so passionate about it. Metal has been around for 60 years , and thats up for debate. Shit man I'm 34 and il be dead in 60 years for sure and I've been listening to metal for 20 years. The elitist thing in metal is boring and lame. Unfortunately it dose exist, i chop it up to the dead Kennedys song macho insecurity, Long live metal
Metallica?...... BWAAAHAAHAAHAA 🦴☠️ iron maiden is more of a root to the tree of metal than Metallica... At least where the dark elements of metal are concerned. Also punk .. namely the OI! INFLUENCE AT LEAST IN SPIRIT, HAD ALOT TO DO WITH THE BLUE COLLAR MINDSET ACDC( BEFORE BON SCOTT PASSED
However music is communication and soul! Not commodized noise!!! I will sit and blast the grateful dead then Laugh while I jump to some old great depression era delta blues then surprise !!!!! Up next on k- fuck fm is dark throne . Then after that here comes old woody Guthrie!!! Fck it ! Whatever suits your mood at the time is what is appropriate!! Otherwise I beg the question .. DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK WITH THEIR OWN MIND AND HEART .or is " style" more important than SUBSTANCE!?🥶🤪😵💫🎃🙉🦴☠️🔥😎
Absolutely the same! 🖤 Yes, we can love Rotting Christ, Depeche Mode and Mozart at the same time, it does exist 😆! Darkwave and Synthwave are always on if not Metal, I could never betray either genre over the other 🖤
Been a metalhead for almost 20 years and late last year I was trying to decide if I want to deep dive into kpop or jazz. New year rolled around and now for the past 2-3 months I've been super into rap and hiphop 🤷🏻♀️
I enjoy a lot of goth stuff, you don't see me dressed like a goth because despite loving their music, I'm not goth. You can't just join a subculture because you like the music.
@@baalzagoroth4693 And there's a lot of people who dress goth who don't like goth music, what's your point? In matter of fact all the people i knew who listened to goth music didn't dress goth. You should probably stop basing your "personality" off of a musical genre.
I love this video. It shows that even metalheads can grow as people. To an extent I was that arrogant asshat in high school, who would put down others for liking other genres. There is a lot of arrogance in youth (especially teenagers) but showing compassion and sharing our heavy and badass world with others is who we can spread the love for the music. Nowadays I'm listening to all sorts of genres and regularly show off my love for metal, punk, anime and various other fandoms.
I've been subscribed to you for a few years along with a multitude of other metal RUclipsrs, and this is something that rarely gets addressed. And when it does, there's rarely any nuance. It's always hardline elitist vs 100% anti-gatekeeping absolutists. The truth is always in a grey area, and it's really refreshing to see this sort of take.
I'll fully admit to having a small arrogant side of me when it comes to heavy metal, thinking that I have a great music taste compared to many people my age (24), and being proud of not being into mainstream pop/rap/country/etc. But deep down, I know I'm not special for any of that, and that there are people in my age range who like metal as well. Now, like I've said in many of my comments, I'm very shy and introverted, so I've never really had conversations with other people about metal or music in general. Sometimes I wonder what I would be like if I had a friend/girlfriend who was hardcore into music I don't like, would I be respectful, or would that arrogant side come out of me and make me be a complete asshole to that person? I'd like to think I wouldn't be, but with how much I love metal, I can't deny the possibility. It is a shame that the small minority of people in a fandom could turn someone away who could've potentially enjoyed that show/band/etc. While I do believe that some level of gatekeeping is necessary, as to keep people out who only pretend to like said thing or spout the most ridiculous bullshit/lies about something, you can't go around telling people that they're not "true fans" or be a complete dick to someone who're just trying to enjoy something. My advice to anyone who has experienced this, please know that these people are the only the loud minority, and that most of us in the fandom welcome new members. I know that may be hard to believe, but trust me.
Spot on! It's one of my biggest pet peeves with metalheads. It's gotten pretty bad to where I cringe calling myself a metal fan because these type of elitists are getting way out of hand lately. I've been in hard rock and metal bands since the late '90s. In 2005 to 2007, I was in a metal band. We were very much inspired by the swedish metal going on at the time. Inflames, soilwork, etc... But we all liked every subgenre of metal and rock. I was the vocalist. But also the nu metal guy of the band. My 2 favorite bands have been Korn and Deftones since 98. Of course I love all types of metal and rock, but those two bands are my biggest inspiration. It would surprise some of our fans when they would ask me what my influences were because our music was more on the heavier side of things. I mean one of our guitar players was really big into strapping young lad and stuff like that. One show we played. I want to say it was with God forbid? We opened the show and this was after our set. I was standing in the snack line and some guy walks up to me saying he really liked our music, saw us a bunch of times and that our demo has not left his truck in months. So of course I was blown away and happy as hell to hear stuff like that. I mean What musician wouldn't? That's like the ultimate compliment. So he asked me who my favorite bands are. I was honest. I kid you not he got so angry and disgusted with me. Like you swear I told him I was a Nazi or something. It was bizarre. He said something like "I'm throwing out your demo! I can't believe I wasted money on a nu metal fag", then storms off. I'm just stunned lol. I didn't really know what to say. This was back when Myspace first became a thing. So then we get this comment from him on MySpace which was like a novel long about how we are frauds and listen to pop music 😂😂😂. No one took him seriously and it was ignored, but I still tell that story to this day because it shows the arrogance of some metalheads. This guy was probably 25 or so at the time
Here in Russia a lot (if not all of them) of pop singers use fonograms during their shows, pretending to sing live. This embarrassing shit was the foundation for metalheads arrogance, since metal band always perform 100% live.
I'm 52 and I got into metal at 11 and punk around 16. I love both genres still. Extreme metal would be completely different if it wasn't for the influence of punk on metal
Okay, let me go on a bit of a rant here. I was a repressed metalhead for basically all my teenage years. I got called basically every slur in the book just because I was into something "not metal enough". These were all people who barely knew my name. I got into the genre when I was about 11-12. It was through metalcore and hard rock. And I joined the community pretty early in my journey. But damn. I got stomped. To. Hell. And back. Jesus, it even made me question IF I like it. I mean, I was supposed to be some kind of poser, not to mention all the comments I got because I presented as a woman. Keep in mind I was a very young impressionable teenager. All the elitism imprinted on me. So I started hating myself. I hated pop punk, metalcore, rock, all that. All the stuff I loved with my whole heart. And the media I consumed on mainly RUclips didn't help either. Come along the time the frontman of my favorite band died. I was grieving like never before. So I turned to the "metal brotherhood". Their answer? He sings metalcore so him and you both should basically be ashamed. This made me turn away from metal. Remember the saying "the boy who never felt the villages love will burn it down to feel it's warmth"? I basically did that. But after years of fighting and denial I returned and said, who cares? And we're here. I love metal, even other genres. But the sheer arrogance some people have sometimes genuinely impact people.
@@SatanenPerkele well I’ll say it like this for me the metalhead community has been a very positive experience. Now there have been times when I thought the exact opposite but I say as long as you avoid or try to avoid the negativity and toxicity (system of a Down pun intended lol) it will be a much more positive experience. ☺️🤘horns up my fellow Metalheads
New Subscriber here🖤🖤Saxons and Vikings is my favorite from Amon Amarth's new album. I just saw them in coxnert last weekend, they are so amazing live! You are so freaking down to earth. I love your honesty around this topic. As a teenager I was also aroggant more so towards indie music and anyone who listened to commercial music was considered "less cool". My metal journey begin more so in my 20s, Iron Maiden was the first band that got me into classic metal. Amon Amarth was the first band that got me into death metal. And Amon Amarth got me into Death Metal. Although I'm a metalhead, I call myself a music nerd as I love and appreciate slot of subgeneres of metal and of rock. Folk metal isy favorite subgenere of metal currently. You inspired me to do a video about arrogance in my niche. 🖤
Luckily I never behaved like that with people, nor did they behave like that with me directly. My problem was the embarrassment of wearing metal shirts in public because of the stares of other metalheads, who thought I was wearing them only for fashion, trends or shit like that
I mean it is annoying that people don’t know who is true in their beliefs but it is also mad cringe to pull up on someone and say name three bands. My solution is that there should be manditory euthenasion for all posers and the like
I used to be like this too until I started getting into Backpack Rap and Jazz music, and those influences actually helped me write Metal music that was even better than the Metal music I grew up listening too.
I agree, and I also really enjoy it when it comes to people coming to me for recommendations on metal bands to get into. Two of my coworkers in the past have come to me asking about metal recommendations, one of them was just looking for other Metallica song recommendations (he had just finished watching Stranger Things), the other told me that she was listening to Beartooth, and I suggested bands like BMTH and Motionless in White.
It's gotten to the point where gatekeepers and elitists are the biggest problems and turn me off to the scene, I'll never leave the scene but the metal community is so much more toxic then it needs to be, if you like metalcore, glam metal, nu metal etc. you're a poser to them, or those people that shit on Metallica for 30 years but then master of puppets is in one episode of stranger things and all of sudden they wanna comeback and gatekeep Metallica like they were some obscure underground band and not the biggest metal band in the world. Just doesn't make sense to me and honestly it's gotten to the point where I'd rather hang with someone wearing a band shirt who has no clue what they're wearing rather then hang with the elitists who think they're the coolest thing since sliced bread because they listen to some obscure avant-garde black metal band with the "everyone is a poser but me" attitude.
I use to be stupid like that. But now I understand that I just let people listen to to there music & I listen my music and let people be myself like they be themselves
I definitely don't think it's a huge problem if you're not on the internet much, since that's likely where you're gonna find this gatekeeping arrogance I think. Not to say I haven't had an irl experience though. In my freshman year of high school, I remember this tall, skinny, thrash mosher-looking dude who was in my theater class then was definitely like this. I think a specific moment I remember was I think he asked me what I was listening to, I said dubstep, and he threw a fit. Granted I've been a metal fan for as long as I can remember, I just happened to like dubstep, even moreso back then in 2016 than now, since now it's all riddim that's so boring you can fall asleep to it, but still. Though despite being an American metalhead specifically, I'm also a giant weeb and I guess I just ended up liking most of the same metal music Japanese metalheads would like (power metal, nu metal, metalcore, deathcore, maybe prog metal. The only exception is glam metal which I never really cared for outside of the visual kei bands that were inspired by it, which is most of Japan's metal scene, and melodic death metal to a lesser extent).
I'm almost in the same page than you, I learnt to play guitar with Dir en Gray and Mucc. Now days I just can't talk with metalheads and rock fans because, even if we like the same bands, the masculinity bullshit, close mind about anything without distorted guitars or non western is tedious to bear in a conversation. Try to play a silly song just to have a good time in front of them and inmediately you'll get the disaproval gaze.
I have never pushed my metal boundaries on any one, ever. I always liked ehat I liked, I tried influencing people towards my favourite bands and music. It was always up to them if they liked it or not. I dont believe in being an Elitist or, arrogant about musoc, its always the individuals decision. Those who are arrogant and like to THINK they know better than every one else, I will stick my ass in the air and tell them "your are a top grade BELLEND" 🤣 until the next time my fellow metalheads 🤘
Amen, brother. I hate elitism and gatekeeping in metal, it's such bullshit. Let people enjoy what they enjoy. It's similar to how some metalheads will give you shit if you like power metal, despite also loving death and black metal too. I love all three of those sub-genres and don't have time for morons who question that.
I feel like it's mostly only North Americans that would give you shit about power metal since basically every other place with a prominent metal scene seems to like it (by that I mean South America, Europe and Japan of course. Australia I'm not sure about).
Gatekeeping and elitism aren't as similar as people think. Gatekeeping keeps it real, and is a great thing for metal. The last thing we need is poseurs involved in metal.
I allways try to get people to like metal bands based on what they like, it does not have to be music related either since after that you will think of metal bands with those topics.
I think we've all been arrogant about music, especially metal, at one point or another. I think a good way to combat this is to explore other genres and really define what you enjoy and understand why others may like it. I'm not gonna say listen to pop, rap, modern country or anything in that area seeing as how those may be the main problematic genres with little to nothing to offer. But if you're the kind of person is to insult genres with artistic merit or inherent value (like jazz, rock, punk, industrial, goth, classical, funk, folk, blues, early country, etc) solely based on your first impression then definitely check out said genres as much as you do your favorite genre. Taking the time to research and understand some genres will give some people much needed insight.
Spot on. I used to be about metalcore and thats it really. Whateve i liked outside of that in my mind were the outliers, even though there were lots of outliers, i just didnt know artists or names, i was mainly a gamer, just happened to be emo lol. Fast forward and i found suicide silence, the heaviest band id ever found then, other than accidentally stumbling onto pornocore lol. A friend really like suicide silence and went heavier and i stayed in metalcore. When Design the Skyline surrounded by silence came out, he loved it, a lot of us mocked it. Fast forward and i see fee bits ot death metal i like, i used to hate it. To be fair its not my favorite still but some death metal fucking rocks. Once i focused on me ( divorce and other big changes ) i delved back into music, and got really big on indie pop, some shoe gaze, anything mellow and reminding me not to be a negative thinker anymore. Then i heard a heavy song whatever it was, and my body reacted much more happily than i did with the soft stuff even if i still like it. Shit like cavetown and chloe moriondo. Cavetown because i really relate, chloe because theyre friends, i found her first, and because its hard to take seriously, but shes having fun and growing up doing what she loves which is excellent. Fast forward I delve into death metal and find lots of bands i like. Then check out whats new in metalcore and deathcore. Noe i love deathcore more than metal core, melodic death when i hated that shit when i was younger, blackened death metal and blackened deathcore, crust punk, pop punk, industrial etc. Idk what about looking into all this did or why but i can easily say after expanding my collection of music i enjoy, especially hardcore influenced, that i dont take myself nearly as seriously. I enjoy whatever i come across thats pleasing and theres no yes man involved just my ears. I think sometimes people hate what something represents rather than itself, and for me, its metallica. I cannot tell you why i hate them, its not their music but still when i hear them i get mad. Yet ill HAPPILY turn some limp bizkit up. Its not fair or consistent. Theres a little gatekeeper in all of us when you see how many try to emulate bands that excel, but the bands copying get more for it. Its not their fault, time and place, luck, etc. But since we KNOW theyre copying, we may feel a way about it. Add context if you were or are in the scene or keep up with it and it becomes understandable. Its about not tarnishing what theyre passionate about. It goes to far of course, but i dont think the little gatekeeper is a bad guy, hes an inexperienced guy, and if all you know is one genre or one set of genres, its like working your first day on the job but everyday. Seeing genre hopping influence is awesome too, expands my mind s bit
You decided just to be arrogant about rap and pop music lol. Every genre has merits period People like you probably just need to shut up because you guys keep an eye. Embarrassing yourself with peold re evaluating artistic merit of certain people's music.George Michael just won the fan vote to get into the rock roll hall of fame yesterday,. If you were to say that back during his wham days he wouldn't even believe you. Too bad George Michael didn't get to see his music finally be appreciated artistically.
gatekeeping is dumb, just let people like what they like, and give suggestions for people who want to find new genre, movie, show, ect. it's easier to be nice than mean and easier to ignore stupid people.
This is very similar to what happens in the Goth subculture when you have people who are new to the scene and regardless if they want it or not by being in a small town with very few Goths they are an ambassador for the subculture so they better not make fools of themselves because they only bring shame on the rest of us too.I’d also say on the other side of the spectrum you have people who have been in the scene for a very long time who have been accused of gatekeeping and been elitists often by people who are not very knowledgeable about the scene or the music that is considered to be part of the scene.
I knew in highschool I was the only dude besides one of my close friends that listened to the stuff we listened to. Yeah, we used to think our taste in music was superior at some point.
I’m 33 and I still love to mosh. I hate when I go to shows and the older people get mad when the pit opens up. I hope to never become old and lame like these people.
I don't mosh anymore...I'm 59. I don't get too near to a pit these days, but it's still fun to watch younger folks having fun. Believe it or not, you're gonna get old before you know it.🤘
I don't understand people like that, really. As a new fan, I love learning about things in the fandom. As an old fan, I love giving various info to newbies. It's like the best thing of joining a fandom/community
Thanks for the video. Very much appreciated. There is nothing that gets under my skin more than some gatekeeper telling me that I'm not metal enough because I like other genres of music. Like you said bro, you can get away with that kind of arrogance when you're 14, but when you're 41? Come on man.
I live in Utah and I'll go to punk rock, synthwave, avant-garde, etc shows and I'll usually see a lot of familiar faces and they'll usually be wearing their battle jackets. I'd say we have a pretty healthy scene here. However, when I was in high school I went to a lot of punk rock shows and I remember some guy with a mohawk and nose piercings telling me I don't belong there because I had long hair. Didn't really bother me all that much because I was just like I don't need a stupid haircut to prove that I'm punk. All in all, I'd say in Utah gatekeeping isn't that big of a deal. Other places might be worse. But Utah is pretty chill.
@@michellep9999 SLC punk is definitely one of my favorite movies filmed in my home state. Unfortunately, the punk scene is not as good as it used to be 10 years ago. One of our famous punk venues BRICKS/ in the venue got demolished last year. Also, there's kind of a mild divide in the community between the hardcore punk elitists and suburban yuppie types who wants to impose their rules on the scene. And then you have people like me who just want to go to shows and have fun. But it's not all bad news, there's a skateboard and punk rock record shop called ranch records That's been around for 30 years and is still going strong. Also the metal community is really flourishing. We got our first heavy metal bar here two years ago and almost every week that place is packed.
Metalheads often forget what it was like when they first got into the genre. Yeah, a lot of us were bullied for our music taste, and how we looked/dressed, etc. and for some, they feel like once they've found "their tribe" and "their identity", it's now their turn to be the bully. It happens in punk, goth, everything else as well. I even remember having to take a break from metal for awhile right around the whole early 2000s NSBM craze, when you just couldn't be a metalhead if you weren't a white supremacist, misogynist, homophobic asshole and didn't worship Varg Vikernes and the Pagan Front, and didn't despise absolutely anyone from any other culture or subculture. It was toxic to the point of cult indoctrination. I'm really glad that trend has died though, and coming back to the metal scene, one can see it's grown up a bit. People have more of a sense of knowledge, open-mindedness, and maturity to them, and I think it's changed for the better. I mean, I still think metal should be a place where dangerous music and dark extremism should be explored, but the ultimate question is always "dangerous to whom??"
Yeah, it reminds me of my old experiences with the metalheads and more recently with the goth subculture. In fact I have noticed that goth tends to be one of the worst subcultures, the gatekeepers are afraid that real goth will be lost forever or whatever if they don't constantly limit goth music to the same niche bands and genres from the 80's... imagine if that would have happened for metal, thinking real metal is only a few subgenres of metal, like thrash metal from the 80s and considering all the rest, not metal. They sound as annoying as the metalhead kid screaming Poseur under a Slipknot music video in the late 2000's...just sad, and it definitely feels like indoctrination more than a subculture where people can be creative whilst sharing commonalities in taste. Social media has been making this worse, and communities are just getting more and more fragmented by the alienating nature of the gatekeeping discourse.
When I was in my teens, I listened to a lot of classic rock and metal. I grew up listening to bands like Cream, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, and The Doors, while also listening to Slayer, White Zombie, Alice Cooper, and Venom. There were many bands that I didn’t that existed within metal. In my 20’s, I found myself listening to bands like Death, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse, Mayhem, Immortal, and so much more black, death, and extreme bands that I never stopped. I grew as a metalhead as an individual. Now that I am in my 30’s, my love for metal just grows because it empowers me. I would never let any asshole tell me that my love for this type of music is wrong or have any metalhead call me a posier for the way I dress and present myself. I rather be extreme in my music than be extreme in my attitudes. Everyone thinks differently. It’s best to leave at that! This genre of music encourages maturity.
it is the eternal immaturity of the small fish in a small pond trying to run the school because it's the only thing they pretend to feel accepted by, or want to.
I think everyone who loves extreme metal can take a look in the mirror and be honest ; yes, most off all have been a moron and called people posers and what not. It's good to realise that we've grown up, i cringe when i think about my younger self sometimes, haha! Good video!
You have two types of metalheads, the ones that see someone in a cool metal shirt and think oh fuck I wanna talk to that person about music and then the ones that automatically assume you don’t listen to it and are only wearing the shirt to look cool. I fucking love when people approach me about my shirts and wanna talk about the music.
In my teens I used to be an edgelord online constantly belittling others who liked popular music, but deep down I was very insecure and lonely at the time. Glad I grew out of it.
I want to pose myself as an example recently I discovered that sometimes I maybe listen to metal albums but I'm not an album listener and I prefer listening to metal songs individually depending on my taste. That's something that might make me less of metalhead for some people even a "poser" for others, but this is the way I enjoy listening to metal and I don't want to change it just to feel more accepted, I don't think I have to prove to anyone that I'm a metalhead. I buy T-shirts,CDs,I listen to the music by my way with passion and attend concerts of my favourite bands (two of which are Sabaton and Manowar btw) and I think that's enough to call myself a metalhead.
I used to rag on non-metal music when I was in high school. Right after I graduated, though, grunge was in full swing, and the tables were turned, as I would catch flak for liking metal ("You still listen to that waaaaaa widdly widdly stuff?"). That's when I really turned to death and black metal, which were still new, and got no more rude comments after that, except for "How can you listen to that crap?" To which I would answer, "Easy, with my ears, haha!" But lesson learned, I no longer rag on somebody else's jam unprovoked (even if it's rap or country, the bane of my existence).
I completely agree with you makes a lot of sense you can be a metalhead but that doesn't mean you have to insult or put someone down just because they don't like metal it was the opposite in middle school for me almost everyone liked rap music and no one liked rock or metal music and I was cast aside for being a metalhead which is stupid and ridiculous
I find it annoying that Metal elitists hate any band that is high selling. I tried bring friends of mine that were just getting into metal around metalhead friends, and when the newbies were asked by metalheads which bands they listened to and gateway bands like Metallica, Ozzy, Slipknot, Korn, A7X, Cannibal Corpse, Ghost ect.. were mentioned, the metalheads would shun my newbie friends, and treat them like posers.
Anyone who says you can't be a metalhead because you like stuff that isn't metal needs to grow up, humans are multifaceted, take me for example, I love metal, but I also love hard rock, I like bands like slayer, cannibal corpse and my all time favorite, motionless in white, but I also like Three Days Grace, My Chemical Romance, and (I'll admit) Black Veil Brides, (I also have a guilty pleasure for Country music) but at the end of the day, metal will always be my favorite music, and that's what I will mostly associate myself with
Elitists and gatekeepers are the worst. For example, if I meet a girl who likes Mastodon or Slayer and I’m asking them what their favorite album is or if they’ve seen em live, I’m doing it because I’m genuinely interested and I prefer that over small talk. I’m not trying to quiz them.
Funny enough. I don’t have other metal heads quizzing me, calling me a poser, etc. But I’ve had people of other genres say “you prolly won’t like this because it’s not heavy” and it’s like um, how do you know that? You won’t know until I listen to it. While metal is my favorite genre, I also love 90s hip hop, punk, new wave, outlaw country, etc. Just because it’s not metal doesn’t mean I won’t like it and just because it’s metal doesn’t mean I’ll automatically like it.
Funny enough I thought I was better than other people do didn't listen to "metal" in middle school. I wrote metal in quotes cause I was a poser and I thought rock/numetal bands were metal. Elitism is stupid, though happens with this genre because so many people call non metal, metal. What should be done in these instances is just telling the person politely those bands are rock or hardcore subgeneras not "haha poser". Only once irl did someone try to do that to me, and he was wearing a linking park t shirt so I don't think he was any less of a "poser" than me. I continued to call nu metal, metal core, and deathcore as "metal" for years because no actual explanation was given to me online about why those are not metal, instead just name calling. Once I got into various actual metal subgeneras did I realize by sound how those other genres are not metal. Now I am a metal fan, though I do see often people shitting on popular bands and calling them poser bands, when they are in fact metal. They often say "we don't say bands are poser for popularity we like Judas priest" but it happens so often. I'm more into softer metal I guess. I prefer melodeath over death metal and symphonic black metal and atmospheric black metal over the really raw bands and I do think some people are obnoxious about things not being heavy enough for them, but nothing anyone says will be enough to drive me away from what I like to listen to.
Dude, I think Your poster down on the bottom right corner is trying to tell You something.... Get ABBATH!!! 😂😂😂 I don't mean that as anything personal, but just as a silly joke, Dude! 😅 But yes, everything You have said here, I see where You are coming from! 🤘
I’m a metalhead who loves all kinds of music. I’m a super fan of many genres such as metal, rap (BabyTron the goat), classical, and many more. I don’t understand how someone can go through their entire life and put down other people for their taste is beyond me
The only people I ever judge based on music are the ones that say that they listen to everything then get mad when you play metal and it isn’t based on their taste but just the fact that they lied about something that you have no reason to lie about and it just makes it hard to trust that person otherwise I would just recommend a couple of bands I think that they would like and if they don’t want that I just change the subject from music to something else that I like
The arrogance is why I stopped playing in metal bands. One of our vocalists was jumped in the parking lot because they thought “he sounded like a pussy”. And at another show some dude made direct eye contact and made the “cut throat” gesture. After that, I said “fuck it, I’ll play in math rock or jazz bands” and moved on.
to all you say I totally agree (now). I used to be that kind of dickhead talking shit about people that don't listen to metal or to the ''wrong'' kind of metal.
I used to be like that arrogant person, but as i got older, my music tastes have matured in the last 5 years, listening to music that i wouldn't listen to before that isn't rock or metal, I can go from motzart to canibal corpse in a blink of a eye, the metalhead arrogance can put people off from getting into metal,
Great points! Im a metal head at heart. I play guitar and bass, I can be playing Slayer one day and Stevie Wonder the next. Alot of songs in different genres catch my ear.
I feel like if someone coming from rock or something kind of light asked me for a metal band to get into, the sadist in me would point them to something like K.F.R. with a straight face, knowing full well what I've just done.
Between the people often called "elitists" and "posers" I think both can be called obnoxious and arrogant, but more online than IRL. Because there always will be a guy saying you ain't shit for arbitrary reasons, but also people thinking they're cool be it aesthetically or intelectually despite not actually being so. Like first of all you're not cool for just liking something, and you can't pretend to have the heaviest or deepest taste despite the most underground band you know is Darkthrone and hottest take you have is that Gojira is boring, without expecting to be bullied. A thing I've noticed is that in North America bullying is done so you actually feel bad, while in my country you bully a person so they laugh with it in a self-deprecating way and they bully you back equally, and if you simply can't handle it and get offended then you leave the other person at peace-and this is how I think we should keep metalhead bullying. The so called "metal brotherhood" has never been real in a large scale, opposed to what terminally online metalheads think (although most of the time, rather than knowledgeable metalheads, they turn out to be surface-skimmers, newbies, or outright ignorant people that some may feel inclined to call posers), but making the negativity light-hearted can strengthen camaraderie as I have seen it locally.
I was exposed a LOT to this kind of behavior when I was a teen, to the point that I viewed the entire metal community as a bunch of elitists who had super-strict definitions on what "true metal" is and how anyone who didn't agree with them was a "poser." It never made sense to me that people would fight amongst their own group over something so trivial as music tastes. If you like metal, shouldn't that be enough? It just became tiresome to me. I myself am a fan of power metal and symphonic metal, and I'll probably get hate for this, but I don't actually enjoy much old-school metal. But so what? Are we back in middle school where we're all trying to fit into some clique and we all have to think and act a certain way? I thought these people constantly preached about not conforming to others' beliefs. I say let people enjoy what they want, whether it's metal or not. Or even whether it's "true metal" or not. If someone prefers stuff like Korn and Slipknot, what does that matter? Who am I or anyone else to say what they should listen to? It's a form of entertainment. In my opinion, entertainment is not something worth gatekeeping.
I’m getting to be a older metalhead will be 30 on May 22, 2023. I’ve been listening since I was 13 in 2006. I have listened to other types of music including hip hop. They guys from Anthrax were influenced by rap music as they came up in New York City, made a rap song and collaborated with rap legends Public Enemy. You even have rappers like Ice T, Tupac Shakur and Enimem that are loved by metalheads who listen to rap music from time to time. Anyways, the music helps and changes people’s lives and the older we get the wiser we become. It’s just unfortunate that the older generation headbangers in their 40s and 50s that were there when the scene was huge tend to sound like grumpy old people which isn’t really cool and being downers to the younger generation. I’m a proud headbanger from the 2000s and 2010s and I was taught to respect my elders especially when it comes to musical tastes. We all just need to change for a bit and heal as human beings even if we don’t like the same music. 1 John 1:9
I loved and still love metal bands but I stay away from metalheads to avoid the bad time with closed mind people usually immature, irresponsible and prejudice you can't talk to.
I mostly see old dudes who don't think younger people aren't allowed to be into certain bands just because they've been listening to it for a way longer time. It's really pathetic. I've never actually encountered a person who wants to like metal, I see the occasional person who already likes metal and a shit ton who don't like it, but I've never met a person who is interested and wants to learn more about it.
I have a friend like that. He has a very wide taste and he already knew some metal (I know he likes f.e. Leprous and Opeth (the newer one mainly I think?)). He's not a fan of growling but we went to a gig and he did enjoy the melodeath band (not really the headliner, it was just too heavy for him (symphonic death)). I just wish he liked growling and blast beats more. 😄
Gatekeeping is a good thing in the right quantity, but I agree that some take it too far. I grew up in a black family, so I didn't hear much metal growing up. Still took a strong liking to it from a young age hearing bits of Pantera. Also was a big fan of rock early. Didn't really actively seek out music on my own until I was in high school, where most of my friends were also metalheads. I got a few comments that it was jarring that I was a big fan of both metal and eurobeat (I'm also a car guy who watched a lot of Initial D), but never got shit for it. My tastes are definitely more varied now than then. Metal is still my favorite genre by a solid margin, although I listen to much more variety. I listen to thrash, glam metal, djent, melodeath, metalstep, deathcore, Japanese pop metal, nu metal, etc. And that's in addition to the rock, electronic, and orchestral music I also enjoy.
Arrogance has its place. There are metal-haters who feel like they are entitled to never be exposed to heavy metal even for a minute, those people deserve it. But never be a arrogant metalhead against other metalheads - you can tease someone about their preference - but dont be all serious about it. In my opinion, MOST heavy metal is not very good, most good metal bands run out of inspiration after about 3 records, and even the best albums have a song that you skip over, but one must be wise how to choose ones words. Live heavy metal is different because you might be able to get into it even if it isnt good. There is a difficult moral zone when it comes to commercially produced music - music which deserves derision because it is so obviously fake metal - it has no sincerity. But we must be careful dissing all glam rock or even all grunge just because it is associated with commercialism - because - all heavy metal is subject to the most of it isnt very good rule. It is the same with all music, most music isnt right, you take any genre of music and most of it isnt very good, except for a few exceptions like Mongolian folk music for which the bad bands WHICH ARE THERE and do constitute the majority, havent made it over yet and that scene still is dominated by the best bands, Huun Huur Tu for example. Also, I think we have to rank how sinful it is to be arrogant based on the music we are being arrogant against. Chiefly, the more commercially inspired it is - rather than sincere - the more arrogance becomes less bad - I am not saying it will help you at trial that the music you dissed was for example The Eagles, but it may help you in sentencing
I have pretty wide taste when it comes to metal. There's some sub-genres that I just couldn't get into. But that doesn't invalidate people's enjoyment of them.
I remember there was this one dude in a discord sever like that, was being a bit annoying on the music channel, was mostly posting I think devourment and behemoth songs and was always saying that others music wasn't heavy enough and such, eventually I noticed he wasn't posting anymore, I think he got banned, and from that moment on I barely saw any metal post, well except some Metallica and dream theater from a friend from time to time
Love most forms of music. But realistically listen to 70% metal. Was a pure “Metalhead” for all of my adolesence. The arrogance alluded to in this is what drove me away. If anything its gotten worse.
I remember when somebody asked me about one of my favorite death metal bands and I said it was children of Bodom and the person told me that wasn't real death metal, that it was just a pretty guy playing guitar. Since then I rather not to talk about my favorite metal bands to metalheads.
I feel like almost everyone who is into metal has had some form of a shameful elitist phase. Mine happened when I was in high school, specifically when I had an intense prog metal phase during the part of the year that was interrupted by covid. Luckily, it didn’t take me too long to move past this obnoxious superiority complex that I inexplicably had over just a couple bands, and I listen to a far wider variety of music now.
I would like to see a video about metal fans sneering down at other metal fans for not enjoying " real metal" Because I dared to mention I enjoyed COF >.< And to be honest I lean towards the symphonic spectrum of metal Does symphonic black metal count?.. Or should I unsub and never watch a video of yours again. many years ago both NILE and Tori Amso played on the same night in my City I didn't even need to think for a second about who I was going to see live that night It wasn't Nile.
Man, I was such a piece of trash in my metal teen years. I was one of those who believed Anything that wasn't metal was trash and should be abolish lol. And then I grew up only to discovered and try listening to different types of music. Metal will always have a special place in my heart but the thought of only listening to one genre of music for the rest of my life would drive me insane. I need variety in my music taste that also includes pop songs old or new lol.
for me i dun talk alot i just simply display all my Metal albums in office for all to see \m/ Peace and Metal Thank you so much love listening to this Metal my best friend. BUT Metal has also taught me respect to others choice of music
I have always gravitated toward the extreme end of things with the music. But still love me some weird Al. That would usually get anyones additude straight. And I've been doing this since like 86, 87ish. METAL!!!!!!
Arrogance unfortunately kind of runs rampant among a lot of metalheads. Lots of metalheads certainly look down at other's musical tastes and I am guilty of it to a degree if someone only likes say modern pop or country I'm going to have a negative view of their musical taste but if they're a cool person I will keep that view to myself. I can tolerate most other genres of music pretty well and my musical tastes have greatly expanded as I've aged. Also if I meet someone who is only a surface level metalhead and only likes the most giant bands like Metallica, Iron Maiden, etc and they're unaware or don't care about the underground stuff I just talk about what we do have in common and leave it at that. It's not really all that hard to not be a jerk about it.
I have known metalheads and metal fans such as what Black Metal Werewolf is describing in this video. Those people give metal a bad name for damn sure. I've seen those metal types all over metal Facebook groups.
I believe if someone enjoys folklore they probably enjoy fol metal more than death metal. Same as if someone more into classic music, they will probably like orchestra type metal bands. So asking what kind of music they prefer before recommending heavier version of it might be valid.
Im a huge fan of everything that can be considered to be "gay Metal". Power Metal, Prog, all that shit. I get hamfisted still to this day by some trve as fuck douchebags that still piss me off about it. I find good in all genres of Metal and beyond, but like chill guys. Seriously chill. What I cannot forgive, is stupid lowest common denominator music. And there is some of that in metal. Im more of an advocate of the average dude. Not to trve, not to pleb neither more of an in between. As both worlds can be seriously fucking obnoxious.
I never cared if people didn’t like or understand metal. I always figured it wasn’t FOR everyone, therefore the people who appreciate it are that much more special. The trouble I got into was with fans of nu-metal who couldn’t see the difference between the various types of heavy music. I’m 40 now and I still can’t handle people assuming that I must be into Disturbed or Korn. I just tell them that I’m into classic stuff like Maiden and that usually gets them off my back. But I still occasionally have to get into deeper conversations about why I think Borknagar is so great while Slipknot is trash, or how Pantera and Slayer are overrated.
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' there's only two kinds of music, music you like and music you don't like'
- Lemmy
"If you think you're too old to rock and roll, then you are."
Also Lemmy
@@beeragainsthumanity1420 There are only two kinds of music Good and Bad .
Louis Armstrong
There's only two kinds of music Good and Bad
Louis Armstrong
“If you can’t name at least five black metal bands from every Scandinavian country, how can you enjoy the genre?”
-someone in my local scene with an Ulver shirt
Lol...fkn lol...!
Not hard though. Only 15 bands total.
I remember being called a poser by some 20 year black metal fan a few years back due to wearing an Emperor shirt - I had to point out I'd been listening to them for many years BEFORE he was actually born......
Oh, and I also pointed out that if I was a poser then so was he because he was wearing a Darkthrone "Blaze" shirt.....
All forms of arrogance come from a deep seed of insecurity. Remember if someone is putting you down it's truly because they feel threatened or inferior in some way. Unless you do something deliberately provocative to them, they're just showing their own weakness. Hails!
A perfect case of this is Metallica being in Stranger Things this is a perfect way for people to be introduced into the music and start their journey yet old men are stomping these people out because they "had it easy" and didn't pull master of puppets out of their older brother's crusty record bin in 1986 and therefore think they don't deserve to listen to the music because the way people consume music has changed in the past 40 years and that's still a shock to them
I’m an older metalhead 50 now and I’ve been listening since I was 15 in 1987. I’m all for however people discover this music as long as they discover it. I also have never understood how some older fans act that way. Not everyone is able to discover it through friends/family so let people find it however they have to.
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That annoyed me so much. I couldn't believe how negative people were about that. Or should I say some people? Anyway, that whole thing with Eddie playing Master of puppets is like something metalheads used to draw in notebooks back in high school. A metalhead playing guitar and some evil underworld and there's bats flying around blah blah blah and lightning in the background.... You can't get more stereotypical metal and awesome than that!
I don't care if it's a TV show, movie or whatever. If it gets people into music, that's fantastic! I got into the doors from the movie. Obviously their songs were all over it and I found myself loving them and bought their albums. If it wasn't for that movie, I probably wouldn't have discovered them until way later in life
Yes its all perspective and its funny / cool the passion that is metal because in the grand scheme of things metal is a very very new art form. And people are so passionate about it. Metal has been around for 60 years , and thats up for debate. Shit man I'm 34 and il be dead in 60 years for sure and I've been listening to metal for 20 years. The elitist thing in metal is boring and lame. Unfortunately it dose exist, i chop it up to the dead Kennedys song macho insecurity, Long live metal
Metallica?...... BWAAAHAAHAAHAA 🦴☠️ iron maiden is more of a root to the tree of metal than Metallica... At least where the dark elements of metal are concerned. Also punk .. namely the OI! INFLUENCE AT LEAST IN SPIRIT, HAD ALOT TO DO WITH THE BLUE COLLAR MINDSET ACDC( BEFORE BON SCOTT PASSED
However music is communication and soul! Not commodized noise!!! I will sit and blast the grateful dead then Laugh while I jump to some old great depression era delta blues then surprise !!!!! Up next on k- fuck fm is dark throne . Then after that here comes old woody Guthrie!!! Fck it ! Whatever suits your mood at the time is what is appropriate!! Otherwise I beg the question .. DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK WITH THEIR OWN MIND AND HEART .or is " style" more important than SUBSTANCE!?🥶🤪😵💫🎃🙉🦴☠️🔥😎
I'm a metalhead that enjoys all sorts of music. I love me some classical music and some 80's pop.
Absolutely the same! 🖤 Yes, we can love Rotting Christ, Depeche Mode and Mozart at the same time, it does exist 😆! Darkwave and Synthwave are always on if not Metal, I could never betray either genre over the other 🖤
@@LDuke-pc7kq that's awesome. You're both a Metalhead and a Goth. So am I.
Been a metalhead for almost 20 years and late last year I was trying to decide if I want to deep dive into kpop or jazz. New year rolled around and now for the past 2-3 months I've been super into rap and hiphop 🤷🏻♀️
@@Zinetha gross. Grow up.
@@Anonymous-wb3nz No thanks.
Dude you’re spot on. Music is just whatever you’re into. Doesn’t matter as far as genre to me. A jam is a jam.
I enjoy a lot of goth stuff, you don't see me dressed like a goth because despite loving their music, I'm not goth. You can't just join a subculture because you like the music.
@@baalzagoroth4693 And there's a lot of people who dress goth who don't like goth music, what's your point? In matter of fact all the people i knew who listened to goth music didn't dress goth. You should probably stop basing your "personality" off of a musical genre.
I love this video. It shows that even metalheads can grow as people. To an extent I was that arrogant asshat in high school, who would put down others for liking other genres.
There is a lot of arrogance in youth (especially teenagers) but showing compassion and sharing our heavy and badass world with others is who we can spread the love for the music. Nowadays I'm listening to all sorts of genres and regularly show off my love for metal, punk, anime and various other fandoms.
I was once that type of Metalhead, now I look back and cringe
I've been subscribed to you for a few years along with a multitude of other metal RUclipsrs, and this is something that rarely gets addressed. And when it does, there's rarely any nuance. It's always hardline elitist vs 100% anti-gatekeeping absolutists. The truth is always in a grey area, and it's really refreshing to see this sort of take.
I'll fully admit to having a small arrogant side of me when it comes to heavy metal, thinking that I have a great music taste compared to many people my age (24), and being proud of not being into mainstream pop/rap/country/etc. But deep down, I know I'm not special for any of that, and that there are people in my age range who like metal as well.
Now, like I've said in many of my comments, I'm very shy and introverted, so I've never really had conversations with other people about metal or music in general. Sometimes I wonder what I would be like if I had a friend/girlfriend who was hardcore into music I don't like, would I be respectful, or would that arrogant side come out of me and make me be a complete asshole to that person? I'd like to think I wouldn't be, but with how much I love metal, I can't deny the possibility.
It is a shame that the small minority of people in a fandom could turn someone away who could've potentially enjoyed that show/band/etc. While I do believe that some level of gatekeeping is necessary, as to keep people out who only pretend to like said thing or spout the most ridiculous bullshit/lies about something, you can't go around telling people that they're not "true fans" or be a complete dick to someone who're just trying to enjoy something. My advice to anyone who has experienced this, please know that these people are the only the loud minority, and that most of us in the fandom welcome new members. I know that may be hard to believe, but trust me.
Spot on! It's one of my biggest pet peeves with metalheads. It's gotten pretty bad to where I cringe calling myself a metal fan because these type of elitists are getting way out of hand lately.
I've been in hard rock and metal bands since the late '90s. In 2005 to 2007, I was in a metal band. We were very much inspired by the swedish metal going on at the time. Inflames, soilwork, etc... But we all liked every subgenre of metal and rock.
I was the vocalist. But also the nu metal guy of the band. My 2 favorite bands have been Korn and Deftones since 98. Of course I love all types of metal and rock, but those two bands are my biggest inspiration. It would surprise some of our fans when they would ask me what my influences were because our music was more on the heavier side of things. I mean one of our guitar players was really big into strapping young lad and stuff like that.
One show we played. I want to say it was with God forbid? We opened the show and this was after our set. I was standing in the snack line and some guy walks up to me saying he really liked our music, saw us a bunch of times and that our demo has not left his truck in months. So of course I was blown away and happy as hell to hear stuff like that. I mean What musician wouldn't? That's like the ultimate compliment.
So he asked me who my favorite bands are. I was honest. I kid you not he got so angry and disgusted with me. Like you swear I told him I was a Nazi or something. It was bizarre. He said something like "I'm throwing out your demo! I can't believe I wasted money on a nu metal fag", then storms off.
I'm just stunned lol. I didn't really know what to say. This was back when Myspace first became a thing. So then we get this comment from him on MySpace which was like a novel long about how we are frauds and listen to pop music 😂😂😂. No one took him seriously and it was ignored, but I still tell that story to this day because it shows the arrogance of some metalheads. This guy was probably 25 or so at the time
Here in Russia a lot (if not all of them) of pop singers use fonograms during their shows, pretending to sing live. This embarrassing shit was the foundation for metalheads arrogance, since metal band always perform 100% live.
Totally agree with you! A while ago, some dude told me that "I couldn't be a metalhead because I also liked punk and rock music". I just ignored him
Metal and punk *is* rock, though, so that distinction sounds weird
I'm 52 and I got into metal at 11 and punk around 16. I love both genres still. Extreme metal would be completely different if it wasn't for the influence of punk on metal
Can’t have one without the other
How Did he think metal Got invented?
Okay, let me go on a bit of a rant here.
I was a repressed metalhead for basically all my teenage years. I got called basically every slur in the book just because I was into something "not metal enough". These were all people who barely knew my name.
I got into the genre when I was about 11-12. It was through metalcore and hard rock. And I joined the community pretty early in my journey. But damn. I got stomped. To. Hell. And back. Jesus, it even made me question IF I like it. I mean, I was supposed to be some kind of poser, not to mention all the comments I got because I presented as a woman. Keep in mind I was a very young impressionable teenager. All the elitism imprinted on me. So I started hating myself. I hated pop punk, metalcore, rock, all that. All the stuff I loved with my whole heart. And the media I consumed on mainly RUclips didn't help either.
Come along the time the frontman of my favorite band died. I was grieving like never before. So I turned to the "metal brotherhood". Their answer? He sings metalcore so him and you both should basically be ashamed. This made me turn away from metal. Remember the saying "the boy who never felt the villages love will burn it down to feel it's warmth"? I basically did that.
But after years of fighting and denial I returned and said, who cares? And we're here. I love metal, even other genres.
But the sheer arrogance some people have sometimes genuinely impact people.
@@SatanenPerkele well I’ll say it like this for me the metalhead community has been a very positive experience. Now there have been times when I thought the exact opposite but I say as long as you avoid or try to avoid the negativity and toxicity (system of a Down pun intended lol) it will be a much more positive experience. ☺️🤘horns up my fellow Metalheads
Metalcore... ewwww
@@tzzeek imagine being the exact person I talked about and still making comments like this
@@SatanenPerkele Because the actual Metal Community exists outside of Online Spaces, which are almost always horrible (especially on reddit)
Let me guess you first joined a big online space like Reddit? No wonder you had such a shitty experience.
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You are so freaking down to earth. I love your honesty around this topic. As a teenager I was also aroggant more so towards indie music and anyone who listened to commercial music was considered "less cool". My metal journey begin more so in my 20s, Iron Maiden was the first band that got me into classic metal. Amon Amarth was the first band that got me into death metal. And Amon Amarth got me into Death Metal. Although I'm a metalhead, I call myself a music nerd as I love and appreciate slot of subgeneres of metal and of rock. Folk metal isy favorite subgenere of metal currently.
You inspired me to do a video about arrogance in my niche.
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Luckily I never behaved like that with people, nor did they behave like that with me directly. My problem was the embarrassment of wearing metal shirts in public because of the stares of other metalheads, who thought I was wearing them only for fashion, trends or shit like that
I mean it is annoying that people don’t know who is true in their beliefs but it is also mad cringe to pull up on someone and say name three bands. My solution is that there should be manditory euthenasion for all posers and the like
If you don't know the band, do not wear the shirt. That's a sign of a low IQ.
I used to be like this too until I started getting into Backpack Rap and Jazz music, and those influences actually helped me write Metal music that was even better than the Metal music I grew up listening too.
I agree, and I also really enjoy it when it comes to people coming to me for recommendations on metal bands to get into. Two of my coworkers in the past have come to me asking about metal recommendations, one of them was just looking for other Metallica song recommendations (he had just finished watching Stranger Things), the other told me that she was listening to Beartooth, and I suggested bands like BMTH and Motionless in White.
It's gotten to the point where gatekeepers and elitists are the biggest problems and turn me off to the scene, I'll never leave the scene but the metal community is so much more toxic then it needs to be, if you like metalcore, glam metal, nu metal etc. you're a poser to them, or those people that shit on Metallica for 30 years but then master of puppets is in one episode of stranger things and all of sudden they wanna comeback and gatekeep Metallica like they were some obscure underground band and not the biggest metal band in the world. Just doesn't make sense to me and honestly it's gotten to the point where I'd rather hang with someone wearing a band shirt who has no clue what they're wearing rather then hang with the elitists who think they're the coolest thing since sliced bread because they listen to some obscure avant-garde black metal band with the "everyone is a poser but me" attitude.
Gatekeeping is in the eyes of the poser.....
I use to be stupid like that. But now I understand that I just let people listen to to there music & I listen my music and let people be myself like they be themselves
Your doing a good service to our societies for the reminder to be cool and dont be a dick.
*you're. Punctuation and spelling matters.
Totally agree with you. God I was cringe when I was a gatekeeper nowadays I don't even consider any change in style of a band as selling out
Opeth though... Im still super pissed about that to this day.
Just like Slipknot's song : Surfacing I wouldn't want people judging me so... I don't judge.
I definitely don't think it's a huge problem if you're not on the internet much, since that's likely where you're gonna find this gatekeeping arrogance I think. Not to say I haven't had an irl experience though. In my freshman year of high school, I remember this tall, skinny, thrash mosher-looking dude who was in my theater class then was definitely like this. I think a specific moment I remember was I think he asked me what I was listening to, I said dubstep, and he threw a fit. Granted I've been a metal fan for as long as I can remember, I just happened to like dubstep, even moreso back then in 2016 than now, since now it's all riddim that's so boring you can fall asleep to it, but still.
Though despite being an American metalhead specifically, I'm also a giant weeb and I guess I just ended up liking most of the same metal music Japanese metalheads would like (power metal, nu metal, metalcore, deathcore, maybe prog metal. The only exception is glam metal which I never really cared for outside of the visual kei bands that were inspired by it, which is most of Japan's metal scene, and melodic death metal to a lesser extent).
I'm almost in the same page than you, I learnt to play guitar with Dir en Gray and Mucc. Now days I just can't talk with metalheads and rock fans because, even if we like the same bands, the masculinity bullshit, close mind about anything without distorted guitars or non western is tedious to bear in a conversation.
Try to play a silly song just to have a good time in front of them and inmediately you'll get the disaproval gaze.
I have never pushed my metal boundaries on any one, ever. I always liked ehat I liked, I tried influencing people towards my favourite bands and music. It was always up to them if they liked it or not. I dont believe in being an Elitist or, arrogant about musoc, its always the individuals decision.
Those who are arrogant and like to THINK they know better than every one else, I will stick my ass in the air and tell them "your are a top grade BELLEND" 🤣 until the next time my fellow metalheads 🤘
Amen, brother. I hate elitism and gatekeeping in metal, it's such bullshit. Let people enjoy what they enjoy.
It's similar to how some metalheads will give you shit if you like power metal, despite also loving death and black metal too. I love all three of those sub-genres and don't have time for morons who question that.
I feel like it's mostly only North Americans that would give you shit about power metal since basically every other place with a prominent metal scene seems to like it (by that I mean South America, Europe and Japan of course. Australia I'm not sure about).
Gatekeeping and elitism aren't as similar as people think. Gatekeeping keeps it real, and is a great thing for metal. The last thing we need is poseurs involved in metal.
Gatekeeping is necessary in any subculture. It keeps out the false information and the posers.
I like several different metal genres. So I don't snub anybody! Always a proud metal chick! Great episode! Stay Heavy eh! 🤘
I allways try to get people to like metal bands based on what they like, it does not have to be music related either since after that you will think of metal bands with those topics.
I think we've all been arrogant about music, especially metal, at one point or another. I think a good way to combat this is to explore other genres and really define what you enjoy and understand why others may like it.
I'm not gonna say listen to pop, rap, modern country or anything in that area seeing as how those may be the main problematic genres with little to nothing to offer. But if you're the kind of person is to insult genres with artistic merit or inherent value (like jazz, rock, punk, industrial, goth, classical, funk, folk, blues, early country, etc) solely based on your first impression then definitely check out said genres as much as you do your favorite genre. Taking the time to research and understand some genres will give some people much needed insight.
Spot on. I used to be about metalcore and thats it really. Whateve i liked outside of that in my mind were the outliers, even though there were lots of outliers, i just didnt know artists or names, i was mainly a gamer, just happened to be emo lol. Fast forward and i found suicide silence, the heaviest band id ever found then, other than accidentally stumbling onto pornocore lol. A friend really like suicide silence and went heavier and i stayed in metalcore. When Design the Skyline surrounded by silence came out, he loved it, a lot of us mocked it. Fast forward and i see fee bits ot death metal i like, i used to hate it. To be fair its not my favorite still but some death metal fucking rocks. Once i focused on me ( divorce and other big changes ) i delved back into music, and got really big on indie pop, some shoe gaze, anything mellow and reminding me not to be a negative thinker anymore. Then i heard a heavy song whatever it was, and my body reacted much more happily than i did with the soft stuff even if i still like it. Shit like cavetown and chloe moriondo. Cavetown because i really relate, chloe because theyre friends, i found her first, and because its hard to take seriously, but shes having fun and growing up doing what she loves which is excellent. Fast forward
I delve into death metal and find lots of bands i like. Then check out whats new in metalcore and deathcore. Noe i love deathcore more than metal core, melodic death when i hated that shit when i was younger, blackened death metal and blackened deathcore, crust punk, pop punk, industrial etc. Idk what about looking into all this did or why but i can easily say after expanding my collection of music i enjoy, especially hardcore influenced, that i dont take myself nearly as seriously. I enjoy whatever i come across thats pleasing and theres no yes man involved just my ears. I think sometimes people hate what something represents rather than itself, and for me, its metallica. I cannot tell you why i hate them, its not their music but still when i hear them i get mad. Yet ill HAPPILY turn some limp bizkit up. Its not fair or consistent. Theres a little gatekeeper in all of us when you see how many try to emulate bands that excel, but the bands copying get more for it. Its not their fault, time and place, luck, etc. But since we KNOW theyre copying, we may feel a way about it. Add context if you were or are in the scene or keep up with it and it becomes understandable. Its about not tarnishing what theyre passionate about. It goes to far of course, but i dont think the little gatekeeper is a bad guy, hes an inexperienced guy, and if all you know is one genre or one set of genres, its like working your first day on the job but everyday. Seeing genre hopping influence is awesome too, expands my mind s bit
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You decided just to be arrogant about rap and pop music lol. Every genre has merits period People like you probably just need to shut up because you guys keep an eye. Embarrassing yourself with peold re evaluating artistic merit of certain people's music.George Michael just won the fan vote to get into the rock roll hall of fame yesterday,. If you were to say that back during his wham days he wouldn't even believe you. Too bad George Michael didn't get to see his music finally be appreciated artistically.
Those people tend to get stabbed 23 times by their former band mates and label member (in self-defense). Lol 😂🤣🤪
Your self honesty is refreshing.
gatekeeping is dumb, just let people like what they like, and give suggestions for people who want to find new genre, movie, show, ect. it's easier to be nice than mean and easier to ignore stupid people.
Gatekeeping is metal and necessary
Gatekeeping is in the eyes of the poser. If you're that sensitive, stay out of the scene. We don't need crybabies here.
This is very similar to what happens in the Goth subculture when you have people who are new to the scene and regardless if they want it or not by being in a small town with very few Goths they are an ambassador for the subculture so they better not make fools of themselves because they only bring shame on the rest of us too.I’d also say on the other side of the spectrum you have people who have been in the scene for a very long time who have been accused of gatekeeping and been elitists often by people who are not very knowledgeable about the scene or the music that is considered to be part of the scene.
I knew in highschool I was the only dude besides one of my close friends that listened to the stuff we listened to. Yeah, we used to think our taste in music was superior at some point.
I’m 33 and I still love to mosh.
I hate when I go to shows and the older people get mad when the pit opens up.
I hope to never become old and lame like these people.
I don't mosh anymore...I'm 59.
I don't get too near to a pit these days, but it's still fun to watch younger folks having fun.
Believe it or not, you're gonna get old before you know it.🤘
33 is kinda old
33 is still a very young person.....
I don't understand people like that, really.
As a new fan, I love learning about things in the fandom.
As an old fan, I love giving various info to newbies.
It's like the best thing of joining a fandom/community
Thanks for the video. Very much appreciated. There is nothing that gets under my skin more than some gatekeeper telling me that I'm not metal enough because I like other genres of music. Like you said bro, you can get away with that kind of arrogance when you're 14, but when you're 41? Come on man.
I live in Utah and I'll go to punk rock, synthwave, avant-garde, etc shows and I'll usually see a lot of familiar faces and they'll usually be wearing their battle jackets. I'd say we have a pretty healthy scene here. However, when I was in high school I went to a lot of punk rock shows and I remember some guy with a mohawk and nose piercings telling me I don't belong there because I had long hair. Didn't really bother me all that much because I was just like I don't need a stupid haircut to prove that I'm punk. All in all, I'd say in Utah gatekeeping isn't that big of a deal. Other places might be worse. But Utah is pretty chill.
SLC punk turned me on to the “Utah scene”. Got to visit once and the people of Utah are so fucking awesome. Best anywhere!
@@michellep9999 SLC punk is definitely one of my favorite movies filmed in my home state. Unfortunately, the punk scene is not as good as it used to be 10 years ago. One of our famous punk venues BRICKS/ in the venue got demolished last year. Also, there's kind of a mild divide in the community between the hardcore punk elitists and suburban yuppie types who wants to impose their rules on the scene. And then you have people like me who just want to go to shows and have fun. But it's not all bad news, there's a skateboard and punk rock record shop called ranch records That's been around for 30 years and is still going strong. Also the metal community is really flourishing. We got our first heavy metal bar here two years ago and almost every week that place is packed.
Metalheads often forget what it was like when they first got into the genre.
Yeah, a lot of us were bullied for our music taste, and how we looked/dressed, etc. and for some, they feel like once they've found "their tribe" and "their identity", it's now their turn to be the bully. It happens in punk, goth, everything else as well.
I even remember having to take a break from metal for awhile right around the whole early 2000s NSBM craze, when you just couldn't be a metalhead if you weren't a white supremacist, misogynist, homophobic asshole and didn't worship Varg Vikernes and the Pagan Front, and didn't despise absolutely anyone from any other culture or subculture. It was toxic to the point of cult indoctrination. I'm really glad that trend has died though, and coming back to the metal scene, one can see it's grown up a bit. People have more of a sense of knowledge, open-mindedness, and maturity to them, and I think it's changed for the better.
I mean, I still think metal should be a place where dangerous music and dark extremism should be explored, but the ultimate question is always "dangerous to whom??"
Yeah, it reminds me of my old experiences with the metalheads and more recently with the goth subculture. In fact I have noticed that goth tends to be one of the worst subcultures, the gatekeepers are afraid that real goth will be lost forever or whatever if they don't constantly limit goth music to the same niche bands and genres from the 80's... imagine if that would have happened for metal, thinking real metal is only a few subgenres of metal, like thrash metal from the 80s and considering all the rest, not metal. They sound as annoying as the metalhead kid screaming Poseur under a Slipknot music video in the late 2000's...just sad, and it definitely feels like indoctrination more than a subculture where people can be creative whilst sharing commonalities in taste. Social media has been making this worse, and communities are just getting more and more fragmented by the alienating nature of the gatekeeping discourse.
When I was in my teens, I listened to a lot of classic rock and metal. I grew up listening to bands like Cream, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, and The Doors, while also listening to Slayer, White Zombie, Alice Cooper, and Venom. There were many bands that I didn’t that existed within metal. In my 20’s, I found myself listening to bands like Death, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse, Mayhem, Immortal, and so much more black, death, and extreme bands that I never stopped. I grew as a metalhead as an individual. Now that I am in my 30’s, my love for metal just grows because it empowers me. I would never let any asshole tell me that my love for this type of music is wrong or have any metalhead call me a posier for the way I dress and present myself. I rather be extreme in my music than be extreme in my attitudes. Everyone thinks differently. It’s best to leave at that! This genre of music encourages maturity.
Ah, thanks for saying this.
it is the eternal immaturity of the small fish in a small pond trying to run the school because it's the only thing they pretend to feel accepted by, or want to.
I think everyone who loves extreme metal can take a look in the mirror and be honest ; yes, most off all have been a moron and called people posers and what not.
It's good to realise that we've grown up, i cringe when i think about my younger self sometimes, haha!
Good video!
You have two types of metalheads, the ones that see someone in a cool metal shirt and think oh fuck I wanna talk to that person about music and then the ones that automatically assume you don’t listen to it and are only wearing the shirt to look cool.
I fucking love when people approach me about my shirts and wanna talk about the music.
Depends on the shirt though innit? Metallica or Slayer is omegaSus where as if someone wore a blasphemy shirt I would also assume they are cool.
In my teens I used to be an edgelord online constantly belittling others who liked popular music, but deep down I was very insecure and lonely at the time. Glad I grew out of it.
Glad to see a new video from this channel
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Love that Venom banner.🤘🏻
I want to pose myself as an example recently I discovered that sometimes I maybe listen to metal albums but I'm not an album listener and I prefer listening to metal songs individually depending on my taste. That's something that might make me less of metalhead for some people even a "poser" for others, but this is the way I enjoy listening to metal and I don't want to change it just to feel more accepted, I don't think I have to prove to anyone that I'm a metalhead. I buy T-shirts,CDs,I listen to the music by my way with passion and attend concerts of my favourite bands (two of which are Sabaton and Manowar btw) and I think that's enough to call myself a metalhead.
I used to rag on non-metal music when I was in high school. Right after I graduated, though, grunge was in full swing, and the tables were turned, as I would catch flak for liking metal ("You still listen to that waaaaaa widdly widdly stuff?"). That's when I really turned to death and black metal, which were still new, and got no more rude comments after that, except for "How can you listen to that crap?" To which I would answer, "Easy, with my ears, haha!" But lesson learned, I no longer rag on somebody else's jam unprovoked (even if it's rap or country, the bane of my existence).
Like your T-shirt! Where do I get one?
I completely agree with you makes a lot of sense you can be a metalhead but that doesn't mean you have to insult or put someone down just because they don't like metal it was the opposite in middle school for me almost everyone liked rap music and no one liked rock or metal music and I was cast aside for being a metalhead which is stupid and ridiculous
I find it annoying that Metal elitists hate any band that is high selling. I tried bring friends of mine that were just getting into metal around metalhead friends, and when the newbies were asked by metalheads which bands they listened to and gateway bands like Metallica, Ozzy, Slipknot, Korn, A7X, Cannibal Corpse, Ghost ect.. were mentioned, the metalheads would shun my newbie friends, and treat them like posers.
Some of the most respected bands for us elitists are high selling
The Metalhead's superiority complex is why metal was dying.
The "where's the beef ?" Was a advertising campaign for Burger King ( circa 1980s)
Its one thing to fanboy and gatekeep in middle/highschool but there is a time one must grow up.
Anyone who says you can't be a metalhead because you like stuff that isn't metal needs to grow up, humans are multifaceted, take me for example, I love metal, but I also love hard rock, I like bands like slayer, cannibal corpse and my all time favorite, motionless in white, but I also like Three Days Grace, My Chemical Romance, and (I'll admit) Black Veil Brides, (I also have a guilty pleasure for Country music) but at the end of the day, metal will always be my favorite music, and that's what I will mostly associate myself with
My family raises chickens and the roosters make em all look loud
Elitists and gatekeepers are the worst.
For example, if I meet a girl who likes Mastodon or Slayer and I’m asking them what their favorite album is or if they’ve seen em live, I’m doing it because I’m genuinely interested and I prefer that over small talk. I’m not trying to quiz them.
Funny enough. I don’t have other metal heads quizzing me, calling me a poser, etc. But I’ve had people of other genres say “you prolly won’t like this because it’s not heavy” and it’s like um, how do you know that? You won’t know until I listen to it.
While metal is my favorite genre, I also love 90s hip hop, punk, new wave, outlaw country, etc. Just because it’s not metal doesn’t mean I won’t like it and just because it’s metal doesn’t mean I’ll automatically like it.
Funny enough I thought I was better than other people do didn't listen to "metal" in middle school. I wrote metal in quotes cause I was a poser and I thought rock/numetal bands were metal. Elitism is stupid, though happens with this genre because so many people call non metal, metal. What should be done in these instances is just telling the person politely those bands are rock or hardcore subgeneras not "haha poser". Only once irl did someone try to do that to me, and he was wearing a linking park t shirt so I don't think he was any less of a "poser" than me. I continued to call nu metal, metal core, and deathcore as "metal" for years because no actual explanation was given to me online about why those are not metal, instead just name calling. Once I got into various actual metal subgeneras did I realize by sound how those other genres are not metal. Now I am a metal fan, though I do see often people shitting on popular bands and calling them poser bands, when they are in fact metal. They often say "we don't say bands are poser for popularity we like Judas priest" but it happens so often. I'm more into softer metal I guess. I prefer melodeath over death metal and symphonic black metal and atmospheric black metal over the really raw bands and I do think some people are obnoxious about things not being heavy enough for them, but nothing anyone says will be enough to drive me away from what I like to listen to.
Dude, I think Your poster down on the bottom right corner is trying to tell You something.... Get ABBATH!!! 😂😂😂
I don't mean that as anything personal, but just as a silly joke, Dude! 😅
But yes, everything You have said here, I see where You are coming from! 🤘
I’m a metalhead who loves all kinds of music. I’m a super fan of many genres such as metal, rap (BabyTron the goat), classical, and many more. I don’t understand how someone can go through their entire life and put down other people for their taste is beyond me
I'll be seeing Amon Amarth this winter with Obituary and Carcass and I can't wait🤘
The only people I ever judge based on music are the ones that say that they listen to everything then get mad when you play metal and it isn’t based on their taste but just the fact that they lied about something that you have no reason to lie about and it just makes it hard to trust that person otherwise I would just recommend a couple of bands I think that they would like and if they don’t want that I just change the subject from music to something else that I like
I know that many of us feel the same. I love this discussion. 🤘
Great video Werewolf
Metal heads being all nice and inclusive. It is a reaction to how outsiders are treated. Screw that!
Metal is the best music.
The arrogance is why I stopped playing in metal bands. One of our vocalists was jumped in the parking lot because they thought “he sounded like a pussy”. And at another show some dude made direct eye contact and made the “cut throat” gesture. After that, I said “fuck it, I’ll play in math rock or jazz bands” and moved on.
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Getting rid of wimps like you is why we do what we do. Quitting in the face of adversity is the least metal thing you can do.
to all you say I totally agree (now). I used to be that kind of dickhead talking shit about people that don't listen to metal or to the ''wrong'' kind of metal.
I used to be like that arrogant person, but as i got older, my music tastes have matured in the last 5 years, listening to music that i wouldn't listen to before that isn't rock or metal, I can go from motzart to canibal corpse in a blink of a eye, the metalhead arrogance can put people off from getting into metal,
Great points! Im a metal head at heart. I play guitar and bass, I can be playing Slayer one day and Stevie Wonder the next. Alot of songs in different genres catch my ear.
I feel like if someone coming from rock or something kind of light asked me for a metal band to get into, the sadist in me would point them to something like K.F.R. with a straight face, knowing full well what I've just done.
used to be when i was a teenager , funny but good days
Between the people often called "elitists" and "posers" I think both can be called obnoxious and arrogant, but more online than IRL. Because there always will be a guy saying you ain't shit for arbitrary reasons, but also people thinking they're cool be it aesthetically or intelectually despite not actually being so. Like first of all you're not cool for just liking something, and you can't pretend to have the heaviest or deepest taste despite the most underground band you know is Darkthrone and hottest take you have is that Gojira is boring, without expecting to be bullied.
A thing I've noticed is that in North America bullying is done so you actually feel bad, while in my country you bully a person so they laugh with it in a self-deprecating way and they bully you back equally, and if you simply can't handle it and get offended then you leave the other person at peace-and this is how I think we should keep metalhead bullying. The so called "metal brotherhood" has never been real in a large scale, opposed to what terminally online metalheads think (although most of the time, rather than knowledgeable metalheads, they turn out to be surface-skimmers, newbies, or outright ignorant people that some may feel inclined to call posers), but making the negativity light-hearted can strengthen camaraderie as I have seen it locally.
I was exposed a LOT to this kind of behavior when I was a teen, to the point that I viewed the entire metal community as a bunch of elitists who had super-strict definitions on what "true metal" is and how anyone who didn't agree with them was a "poser." It never made sense to me that people would fight amongst their own group over something so trivial as music tastes. If you like metal, shouldn't that be enough? It just became tiresome to me. I myself am a fan of power metal and symphonic metal, and I'll probably get hate for this, but I don't actually enjoy much old-school metal. But so what? Are we back in middle school where we're all trying to fit into some clique and we all have to think and act a certain way? I thought these people constantly preached about not conforming to others' beliefs.
I say let people enjoy what they want, whether it's metal or not. Or even whether it's "true metal" or not. If someone prefers stuff like Korn and Slipknot, what does that matter? Who am I or anyone else to say what they should listen to? It's a form of entertainment. In my opinion, entertainment is not something worth gatekeeping.
I’m getting to be a older metalhead will be 30 on May 22, 2023. I’ve been listening since I was 13 in 2006. I have listened to other types of music including hip hop. They guys from Anthrax were influenced by rap music as they came up in New York City, made a rap song and collaborated with rap legends Public Enemy. You even have rappers like Ice T, Tupac Shakur and Enimem that are loved by metalheads who listen to rap music from time to time. Anyways, the music helps and changes people’s lives and the older we get the wiser we become. It’s just unfortunate that the older generation headbangers in their 40s and 50s that were there when the scene was huge tend to sound like grumpy old people which isn’t really cool and being downers to the younger generation. I’m a proud headbanger from the 2000s and 2010s and I was taught to respect my elders especially when it comes to musical tastes. We all just need to change for a bit and heal as human beings even if we don’t like the same music. 1 John 1:9
Lol, 30 is not an "older Metalhead" you twit. Also, get your creepy religion out of here. 🖕🖕
I loved and still love metal bands but I stay away from metalheads to avoid the bad time with closed mind people usually immature, irresponsible and prejudice you can't talk to.
I mostly see old dudes who don't think younger people aren't allowed to be into certain bands just because they've been listening to it for a way longer time.
It's really pathetic.
I've never actually encountered a person who wants to like metal, I see the occasional person who already likes metal and a shit ton who don't like it, but I've never met a person who is interested and wants to learn more about it.
I have a friend like that. He has a very wide taste and he already knew some metal (I know he likes f.e. Leprous and Opeth (the newer one mainly I think?)). He's not a fan of growling but we went to a gig and he did enjoy the melodeath band (not really the headliner, it was just too heavy for him (symphonic death)). I just wish he liked growling and blast beats more. 😄
Gatekeeping is a good thing in the right quantity, but I agree that some take it too far. I grew up in a black family, so I didn't hear much metal growing up. Still took a strong liking to it from a young age hearing bits of Pantera. Also was a big fan of rock early. Didn't really actively seek out music on my own until I was in high school, where most of my friends were also metalheads. I got a few comments that it was jarring that I was a big fan of both metal and eurobeat (I'm also a car guy who watched a lot of Initial D), but never got shit for it.
My tastes are definitely more varied now than then. Metal is still my favorite genre by a solid margin, although I listen to much more variety. I listen to thrash, glam metal, djent, melodeath, metalstep, deathcore, Japanese pop metal, nu metal, etc. And that's in addition to the rock, electronic, and orchestral music I also enjoy.
Arrogance has its place. There are metal-haters who feel like they are entitled to never be exposed to heavy metal even for a minute, those people deserve it. But never be a arrogant metalhead against other metalheads - you can tease someone about their preference - but dont be all serious about it. In my opinion, MOST heavy metal is not very good, most good metal bands run out of inspiration after about 3 records, and even the best albums have a song that you skip over, but one must be wise how to choose ones words. Live heavy metal is different because you might be able to get into it even if it isnt good. There is a difficult moral zone when it comes to commercially produced music - music which deserves derision because it is so obviously fake metal - it has no sincerity. But we must be careful dissing all glam rock or even all grunge just because it is associated with commercialism - because - all heavy metal is subject to the most of it isnt very good rule. It is the same with all music, most music isnt right, you take any genre of music and most of it isnt very good, except for a few exceptions like Mongolian folk music for which the bad bands WHICH ARE THERE and do constitute the majority, havent made it over yet and that scene still is dominated by the best bands, Huun Huur Tu for example.
Also, I think we have to rank how sinful it is to be arrogant based on the music we are being arrogant against.
Chiefly, the more commercially inspired it is - rather than sincere - the more arrogance becomes less bad - I am not saying it will help you at trial that the music you dissed was for example The Eagles, but it may help you in sentencing
I have pretty wide taste when it comes to metal. There's some sub-genres that I just couldn't get into. But that doesn't invalidate people's enjoyment of them.
Your flags are... entry level.
That exact same thing happened to me with lordi that happened to you with star wars.
I remember there was this one dude in a discord sever like that, was being a bit annoying on the music channel, was mostly posting I think devourment and behemoth songs and was always saying that others music wasn't heavy enough and such, eventually I noticed he wasn't posting anymore, I think he got banned, and from that moment on I barely saw any metal post, well except some Metallica and dream theater from a friend from time to time
Love most forms of music. But realistically listen to 70% metal. Was a pure “Metalhead” for all of my adolesence.
The arrogance alluded to in this is what drove me away.
If anything its gotten worse.
I remember when somebody asked me about one of my favorite death metal bands and I said it was children of Bodom and the person told me that wasn't real death metal, that it was just a pretty guy playing guitar. Since then I rather not to talk about my favorite metal bands to metalheads.
I feel like almost everyone who is into metal has had some form of a shameful elitist phase. Mine happened when I was in high school, specifically when I had an intense prog metal phase during the part of the year that was interrupted by covid. Luckily, it didn’t take me too long to move past this obnoxious superiority complex that I inexplicably had over just a couple bands, and I listen to a far wider variety of music now.
I would like to see a video about metal fans sneering down at other metal fans for not enjoying " real metal" Because I dared to mention I enjoyed COF >.< And to be honest I lean towards the symphonic spectrum of metal Does symphonic black metal count?.. Or should I unsub and never watch a video of yours again. many years ago both NILE and Tori Amso played on the same night in my City I didn't even need to think for a second about who I was going to see live that night It wasn't Nile.
Man, I was such a piece of trash in my metal teen years. I was one of those who believed Anything that wasn't metal was trash and should be abolish lol. And then I grew up only to discovered and try listening to different types of music. Metal will always have a special place in my heart but the thought of only listening to one genre of music for the rest of my life would drive me insane. I need variety in my music taste that also includes pop songs old or new lol.
for me i dun talk alot i just simply display all my Metal albums in office for all to see \m/ Peace and Metal Thank you so much love listening to this Metal my best friend. BUT Metal has also taught me respect to others choice of music
To each his own!
I have always gravitated toward the extreme end of things with the music. But still love me some weird Al. That would usually get anyones additude straight. And I've been doing this since like 86, 87ish. METAL!!!!!!
Arrogance unfortunately kind of runs rampant among a lot of metalheads. Lots of metalheads certainly look down at other's musical tastes and I am guilty of it to a degree if someone only likes say modern pop or country I'm going to have a negative view of their musical taste but if they're a cool person I will keep that view to myself. I can tolerate most other genres of music pretty well and my musical tastes have greatly expanded as I've aged. Also if I meet someone who is only a surface level metalhead and only likes the most giant bands like Metallica, Iron Maiden, etc and they're unaware or don't care about the underground stuff I just talk about what we do have in common and leave it at that. It's not really all that hard to not be a jerk about it.
I have known metalheads and metal fans such as what Black Metal Werewolf is describing in this video. Those people give metal a bad name for damn sure. I've seen those metal types all over metal Facebook groups.
"Metalheads" with metalcore lol
This has nothing to do with Butcher Babies
I believe if someone enjoys folklore they probably enjoy fol metal more than death metal. Same as if someone more into classic music, they will probably like orchestra type metal bands. So asking what kind of music they prefer before recommending heavier version of it might be valid.
Im a huge fan of everything that can be considered to be "gay Metal". Power Metal, Prog, all that shit. I get hamfisted still to this day by some trve as fuck douchebags that still piss me off about it. I find good in all genres of Metal and beyond, but like chill guys. Seriously chill. What I cannot forgive, is stupid lowest common denominator music. And there is some of that in metal. Im more of an advocate of the average dude. Not to trve, not to pleb neither more of an in between. As both worlds can be seriously fucking obnoxious.
Sadly still you can find people like that
I never cared if people didn’t like or understand metal. I always figured it wasn’t FOR everyone, therefore the people who appreciate it are that much more special. The trouble I got into was with fans of nu-metal who couldn’t see the difference between the various types of heavy music. I’m 40 now and I still can’t handle people assuming that I must be into Disturbed or Korn. I just tell them that I’m into classic stuff like Maiden and that usually gets them off my back. But I still occasionally have to get into deeper conversations about why I think Borknagar is so great while Slipknot is trash, or how Pantera and Slayer are overrated.