Metallica - Live at Day On The Green, Oakland, CA (1985) [Pro-Shot]
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2016
- Band name: Metallica
Date: August 31, 1985
Event name: MTV's Day On The Green
Venue: Oakland Stadium
Location: Oakland, CA, USA
Other acts: Scorpions, RATT, Y&T, Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Force, Victory
Filming type: Professional (Pro-Shot)
Previously Unreleased except “For Whom the Bell Tolls”
Setlist:
00:00 - Creeping Death
04:49 - Ride the Lightning
11:56 - For Whom the Bell Tolls
16:53 - MTV Day On The Green Interview with Lars and James
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I like how the camera person focused on Cliff alot.
It's the one closest to him.
Well cliff definitely deserved the spotlight
and you can't hear a single note. this has to be the worst mix of any live recording i've ever seen.
EDIT: okay, someone finally tweaked the mix, and now cliff is like the *only* thing I can hear. not at all a bad thing.
EDIT II: Aaaaaand it's gone. Crap.
Let's all not forget Cliff was the one to teach music theory to James, "Lairs", and Kurt.
I wish I could like this 10,000 times
Little did the cameraman know that this would become some of the most treasured Metallica footage in history.
Especially for us local BayAreA fans
AGREED
In all of metal music two ledges reunited Cliff Burton Lemmy kilmister two of the greatest basses in metal history RIP CLIFF LEMMY
Trying to hear Kirk's guitar in this is like trying to hear Jason Newsted's bass.
Fucken gold, this is the most underrated comment here
also you couldn't hear cliffs bass on the song other than bell.
@@freeze7103 just like the album
@Mike Auxbigg They still use amps.
😂😂😂
James voice sounds more distortion than his guitar
I think in that years he was a little bit shy
@@joandsk830 The guitar was shy
@@verteyPL 🤣
Is what happens when you open for Y & T.
its because he is playing it clean dude lol
110 degrees on stage and cliff has his jean jacket on....
thrashmetalmaniac72 you can’t feel the heat when you’re drunk. Still a sight to behold.
It was in Oakland CA and it's never that hot! Best concert I've ever been to!
Cliff was a red head w/ fair complexion, he probably wore it to keep from getting sunburnt. Besides levi denim jackets in the 80s were cool as fuck to sport.
About 70 degrees that day in Oakland. Was there.
@@SS-dr1hx where were you at the show? We were to the left of the stage in the shade. Great show!
You know Cliff was great when you spend a half hour enjoying the comments about how great he was.
Not "was", man. He is!!!
im that kind of person
@@_baiken_me too
I’ll forever be this kind of person I’ll always miss cliff he was gone way way too soon
15:36 Cliff doing the eyes without missing a beat is one of my favorite moments in metal history
Same! 😂
And?
@@daniyarkoshenov5333 and…. It was f’ing awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
At 12:20 after his solo. He turns to Lars and waves once like “let’s do this”
@daniyarkoshenov5333 and doing your mum was my favorite thing.
Lol Hahaha
1:26 Camaraman: Let's see how Cliff plays those 4 strings
1:30 Camaraman: Let's see the others
1:30 Cliff: Hello there *heavy bass noises*
Cliff really went, look at me only.
"General Cliff Burton! You are an awesome one!"
I hope that bass was 18+
69 likes... Noice
Now 96
@@BubbaBass_Official now 154
@@mikiryann5882 198!
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I learned how to play "For Whom the Bell Tolls" by watching this video over and over again till the VHS tape broke.
I'm trying to get the really fast part in the beginning where Cliff's jumping from 19 to 16 on the G and then to 19 on the D string, advice?
Donald Templar ... I started playing bass because of Cliff Burton, but I never could do what he did, even with years of trying and practicing. I just didn’t have the natural talent. I hope you can do it, though!
@@trevorhall8575 thanks and bless you man you've done good by even attempting to play Cliff Burton stuff
I just went to songster
Lol. This definitely isnt the album version. Lol
Good thing we have the internet now to show us how to do the tabs
Bro Cliff’s headbanging at 5:14 looks so glorious and ferocious yet he was still able to hit every note perfectly. What a talent, so sad it ended the way it did. Gone wayyy too soon.
Seriously badass
so true. All Lars had to do to keep in time if he were to get off track is to peek at Cliff's dome and shit!!! Perfectly fuckn timed! Lol.
Man, it's not hard to headbang like that and still see what you're playing
Cliff was born and raised a few miles from the Coliseum. He's barely 22,. Playing to the largest crowd to date. In his hometown. It's no wonder he is fucking crushing it. R. I. P.
That explains why he shredded so hard on for whom the bell tolls! And ride the lightning! He was really hype to be there in his hometown!
05:13 ladies and germs; one of the iconic moments in the history of heavy metal.
look at cliff right hand..hitting the string ..unbelievable technique!!rip cliff!!
cliff is going to get whiplash
@@cashman412 I understood that reference.
always reminds me Nirvana - Negative creep
was waiting for someone to mention this!
Reporter: If Slayer was playing in one end of the town and Metallica on the other, why would I come see you?
James: Maybe you’re not into Satan.
Kemal Gürer Koloğlu it’s funny but true. I love Slayer but boy they put the satan image out and laid it on thick. I still think Seasons in the Abyss is an awesome album.
um slayer is anything but satanic
Maybe not but they sure used the image.@@chriszaa2309
@@TheChenny73 so did maiden with the number of the beast sounds like we have another pre judgemental poser on our hands
chris zaa for one album. Satan is like Slayers thing.
Bass finally hits the mix at 6:33 and it is a glorious thing....
12:22 That bass intro will live forever.. Cliff FOREVER!!
No one has ever done for whom the bell tolls like cliff
I try to
And no one will
no one can
This is the best version of this song..I plug in my phone to my car sterio and play only this song.
couldn’t agree more. not jason nor rob did that hammer on in the beginning bass riff
You can tell that Cliff really love what he is doing.
I was there, middle of the crowd on the field. Amazing day, Metallica blew me away.
I was too.....closer to the stage. But almost impossible to stay up there.
It was the best live in the era of cliff?
My dad was there in 85 and he’s 46 now he’s been playing bass since he was 15 and out of all bassist he’s watched and listened to cliff burton was the best and now I’m 15 and I play drums and we play Metallica together both our favorite band. So dad what happened to cliff I don’t like Metallica new bass player and I don’t even know his name
@@Liviopedata no question mark needed.
Bro you’re all so lucky I would kill for that
It’s crazy how nervous James is during the interview. How someone can absolutely fucking nuts on a stage and then be all quiet and shy, it’s so crazy how much he grew through his craft.
Creeping Death isn’t the same without “DIE DIE DIE” chanted by the crowd and Jason screaming “MOTHERFUCKER DIE”
Metallica just isn't the same without Cliff
@@buddymack9606 not same after jason leaved 😒
@@vanshsharma8255 Cliff meant more to Metallica than Jason did
Cliff WAS Metallica.
Jason left to make a album with echobrain
Nobody plays Bass like Cliff!
I'm trying to get there! Hope to be there soon, I still won't be as good as Cliff though
@@gasmaskedbassist1538 I played metallica songs for over a decade and I'm still not there
@@mikiryann5882 like I said (maybe on a another commitment) I'll get there but I'm gonna try anyway
@@gasmaskedbassist1538 yea me too
@@mikiryann5882 whoops I forgot never but I think you got that
I absolutely love Cliff’s awesome scream at 7:03
Lars: eats an apple to keep in shape for those drums
James: drinks so he can spit fire fueled lyrics into the mic
And scream OH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
14:29 someone throws something toward Lars and James flips them off without missing a beat.
And than he shown him his middle finger🙃
@@jazervovchenko1604 in America it's called.. Flipping someone off...
Joe Edwards lol I didn’t know, thank you
That's impressive. He must do that a lot.
Karma
guitar so quiet in the mix, Cliff just REKKING the bass lines
turning it up helped me. I DO have bass boost headphones that take a AA battery though..
@@ryandavis2580 What kind of headphone is this??? :o
@@merciless2032 skull candy with AA battery for extra bass. Battery pun intended. Lol. Hell yeeaah!!
Except where you can’t hear Cliff at all
Set list
00:02 Creeping Cliff
4:49 Ride the Cliff
11:56 For Cliff the bell tolls 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽rip
Ride the Cliff sounds phallic
@@Vedho Lmaaooooo
Probably could have worded the second one better
Where’s the rest of the set?
Creeping cliff,cliff the lightning,for whom the cliff tolls!🔥🔥🔥
James Hetfield is probably the best rhythm guitar player- singer in the genre.period
That's why they are the richest metal band
@@luismr225519 that's not really the reason, he didn't just make it by himself, everyone contributed
@@stine_one not a big fan of Metallica since 1990 but I would have to agree that his rhythm is the best in metal.
Not many rhythm guitar players (lead singers) could break into a solo back then and now.
@@daBEAGLE1017 im not denying his talent, but he wouldn't make such carreer without Lars, Cliff, Mustaine, Kirk and Jason
Beach boys did it I think
Fun fact: James turned 22 years old some weeks before this concert
Unfun fact..I was one in 1980
@Edoardo Cioncolini now you're 66..
@Edoardo Cioncolini what's sad about it
Why 1980 and not 1985? I was 19 in '85.
he looks like a kid in the interview, wild!
this band will be famous one day
Kamil Fingr Original comment
@@aaebsssb9914 so original that I died when I saw it
Maybe if they sell out and start playing shorter and more radio friendly tunes... but I don't see it happening, these guys are the real deal!
Edit: They'd probably need to cut their hair too.
Ryan W Yes the music needs to be radio-friendly
Satan HATES you...but keep using those “cool” symbols etc...you feel cool? Smfh
At 2:58, the gleam from Cliff's bass remains on the film for a couple seconds. Looks like lightning.
That’s really cool
seriously though, how did James get his voice to do that thing it does, his projection is so unique.
Umm....pain. As far as I understand it, I am not a vocal expert nor do I sing, he is constricting his throat and cause his vocal chords to comw together chaotically. Like when you yell really loud and it hurts. There are some videos of how to do it. But different vocal styles like Death metal (for example) are made with the false chords and don't use you normal vocal chords. I've heard that there were some concerts where he couldn't talk afterwards, that is not healthy. The Charismatic Voice has made a video with a vocalist all about harsh vocals.
Here is someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
ruclips.net/video/Ua8SuWNPrLE/видео.html
I can do it and it hurts
There wasn't anything that could phase Cliff. He never looked over to James, Kirk, or lars for timing or marks. He just played.
Just count him in.
@@brookinghouseof9457 well cliff will slap you in the face if he would be alive.
@@fabricio2467 Guys stop "Cliff would've slapped you", I read another on a Some kind of monster clip; he was (or at least seemed like)a very cool and laid back, slap?!
The camera man likes Cliff Burton do you guys agree?
The music was based off of the base
11:53 is the beginning of Cliff just absolutely shedding "For whom the bell tolls"...... by far the best example of this dude's craft. Still get goosebumps.
Yes....if you like this you'll also like his 1983 bass solo of Anesthesia Pulling Teeth
A true master.
Another example of his excellent craft is after anesthesia into the intro of whiplash the shredding he did right after pulling teeth like he hit a 2nd gear you would think he would get at least a little exhausted and slower but nope this was around his first gig to live at the metro 83’. I’ve still yet to hear anyone shred a bass like Cliff did.
"the members before didnt contribute to songwriting"
Dave Mustaine: :'((
facts
More like : >:|
I mean he didnt write much he were just a drunk ass on those times,he a legend but he was a asshole in metallica
@@dylanperez6947 he wrote most of kill 'em all, it's been confirmed already.
@@Nestorglass nope there more song on kill em all that james wrote and all the song that dave wrote james contribute on it to
cliff Burton in this entire concert is a literal beast, the head banging on the intro of for whom the bell tolls is insane, his head is all over the place while the rest of his body is completely still and still manages to hit every single note as fast as possible it's literally insane
James: "Maybe you're not in to Satan?" LMFAO Now that's funny shit.
True 😂🤣🤣🤣
The synchronized headbangs give me life
This was five years before I was born. Over 35 years ago and nothing has influenced metal more than these kids.
Damnit Cliff, why'd you have to go so early? He's already one of the greatest metal bassists ever regardless, but imagine how much more amazing he would've been with them had that accident never happened or at least had he not been killed. Jason did a fine job in replacing him and Rob's always been a phenomenal bass player himself, so he's done very well in the band too, but no one has ever been or will be like Cliff.
Cliff was one hell of a head banger and one hell of a bass player !
Cliff: the head banging god.
I'm creeping deaths in the morning and I will be there in a few minutes to get ready for work and I can get it to you by the end of the day I was in the shower and then I will be able to get it done before Christmas and I hope you have a great day and I will be there at the same time as the one we have...
Fun Fact: The next day they began recording Master of Puppets...
Wait where did you hear that at
@@user-sb6jk2fu7t This show was Aug. 31. Master of Puppets was recorded Sept. 1st/Dec. 27th in Denmark
Cliff Burton, the real personification for heavy metal and for true head banging. Miss you Cliff, the greatest bass player in the history of heavy metal. R.I.P. Cliff!
when u realize Cliffs back vocals was simply awesome and powerful
Jar IB doesn’t compare to Jason’s back up vocals
@@YKTS15 Yes. Because its 99999999999999999999999999x better than Jason's.
Not as brutal as Jason's though
Kazuhira Miller Naaaah
TheEndPyro yeah it was definitely not. But still pretty good.
I’m a huge cliff fanboy but I must agree
So many comments, and yet noone has commented on Cliff's badass "DIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!" at 02:34? Holy shit, that was an amazing growl! He sounded like Satan himself, lmao.
Incog2k6 yooo wtf i heard it
i think that was james
@@ITTAPUPU12 that was cliff in Metallica the bassist is the back up vocal always has been that's why you heard Newstead's voice during creeping death and Trujillo's.
kyle austin i thought it was james’s i heard
@@ITTAPUPU12 nope that would be cliff
My dad was 14 years old when he went to this show with my grandma! So cool!!!!
Cliff was a sight to behold. Dude radiated coolness. No one has played a bass that way since. Many badasses on the bass but non like Cliff.
Who else gets chills when cliff growls die!!
I started getting goosebumps at 11:59
Dude so true
He should have growled the final chorus as well, like he does on the album.
Thought that was cliff.
Cliff was obviously irreplaceable, and not just based on talent, but the attitude that Imo was the very essence of what the band was. I think he pushed them to be better.
Absolutely. It's not a coincidence that they started to decline musically after his death. He pushed them to greatness. With him gone, the slide began. Justice is a great, but flawed album, but had Cliff not died, it would have been a masterpiece that topped Master of Puppets, guaranteed. Cliff's death robbed Metallica of more than just a bass player. He really was the soul of the band.
@@neilpeartspurplenose8739: Had Cliff not died, Justice would never have happened. For example, Jason wrote the main (7/4) riff to Blackened, and To Live Is To Die was based on material Cliff hadn't the chance to use. He probably would have used at least some of it on that album, whatever it would be called.
@@MKDumas1981 The album that would have taken it's place would have been even better than Justice.
He was the driving force a fucking beast on the bass
Jason tried man and I love him for it but Cliff was Metallica man! Don’t get me started with Rob though can’t deal with all that squatting BS 🙄
Cliff was a madman.. very cool dude
I love James’s voice it’s full of FIRE 🔥
I swear that half the energy on the stage is from Cliff alone. His movements are so much more erratic. Maybe he’s just drunk enough to go crazy but not too drunk to where he can’t play well or maybe that’s just Cliff
Both
Lars fucking up the Lightning solo and Kirk's face hahahah
TheManwithafan lol the rest of the band saved Lars' ass when he did the snare roll to signal the next bar then the guitar ensemble switched picking rhythm just the right time
So true!
So glad I’ve seen Metallica with Cliff twice,unfortunately the last time was his final gig before the bus crash.
Still miss that dude,he’s the reason I started playing bass (guitarist nowadays)
Pure, raw, unchanged Metallica with Cliff - the BEST Metallica ever!🤘🤘
You can hear Cliff's bass virtuoso finger picking, just amazing talent!
oh man, I was there. That was a crazy concert with all those bands. I wish I could remember them all. scorpions was the last band.
Scorpions, Ratt, Y&T, Metallica, Rising Force, Victory...this order. I just read it in "Back to the front"
Gordon Cuffe very heavy brother
Ur soo lucky man
hi, but the Metallica show was very long runing time,
I too, was there, fucking great memories!
Cliff was definitely the MAESTRO of this band ..I've been a Metallica fan for ages and you definitely see the shift and changes of tempo and especially Kirk's solos .. Cliff was directing all these motherfuckers and schooling them musically...and you don't bang your head this way unless you've written those songs RIP 🙏🙏
He played this show like it was his last!!!
You get that vibe he taught them all music theory
That’s why Lars was such a great dummer in the 80s cliff I’ve heard was always making sure he practiced! So he never lacked
Cliff had so much energy and talent it’s beautifully tragic to watch him rock everyone’s face off 🤘🏻💀🤘🏻
Seen this show a million times and it's still one of my favorites because.. IT'S THE CLIFF SHOW!!!!...
Everyone say hi to CLIFF....HI CLIFF!!!
Cliff is such a fucking boss, he makes the hair on my neck stand up watching him play.
kensloth Damn straight
Wow, during the interview, you could see just how shy and awkward James really was back then. He had zero social skills. Lars did ALL the talking, while James drank his beer and acted clueless/like a mute. His favorite answer was "I don't know".
He lost his mother at 16. And was still very young. Give him a break.
way better than the snob he (they all) become… i love this band but since 88, it was all the way down… im gonna see them again next may 1st but nowadays they're just a shadow of what they were back then :(
James didn't come out of his shell (publicly at least) till the Justice era.
And it makes you wonder how much James relied on Cliff for all the showmanship and to be a quasi older brother balancing out the ego of Lars. It's amazing to think how different the band would be now.
I dig the vibe James and Metallica has in these old videos, James fucking around on the mic almost mocking everything, before Metallica got serious about everything.
Not very many bands have a bass player who is the most famous person in the band...Cliff was just that much of a badass 🤘🏻
I love how young and hungry they are here. I know this was a huge and important gig for them at the time, but little did they know that someday they'd be headlining venues that size.
bass boost at 6:55
Thank you. Whoever's working the board is an idiot imo.
It startled me
0:02 Creeping Death
4:49 Ride the Lightning
11:56 For Whom the Bell Tolls
16:53 MTV Day On The Green Interview with Lars and James
Nathan Clynch “Cliff and Kirk brought new stuff with songwriting which the previous two hadnt done.” What??? Thats why Mustaines pissed
in the 80s metallica hated mustaine because of no reason
@@Haxprocess Mustaine was pretty bitter about everything for a very long time. Metallica got over everything with Dave way faster but given how things went down thats no surprise.
Benito Faggotini I think he was referring to replacing a stock bass player with a young virtuoso. On RTL he had song writing credits on all but the two weakest songs. Cliff even wrote the intro piece for the whole album. Let me also mention he took what would have been an ok instrumental and made it a piece of art by playing HP Lovecraft’s beast on bass guitar. He also owned FWTBT with his signature line and chord slapping to the beat.
@@Haxprocess Annnd you must be a Megadeth fanboy.
This fuckin kicks ass!!.. Memories!! .85'..I was 15yrs old and METALLICA has been in my life ever since!!. ♥️🤘🇨🇦👊💀👊
And Cliff played that solo WITH HIS FINGERS!!!!!!! R.I.P. Cliff... 😢😢
if i had a time machine, i will return the time to this day, again, and again and again, after this, i will save Cliff.
Tesla I’ve also been saying this for a long time lmao let’s do it together
Bliff Curton I saw your name and couldn’t not appreciate how it confused me for a full minute
Fuck I wish I was born 20 years earlier to be around for Metallicas early days. A legendary band with a legendary story. Thank you for the awesome music!
This is nearly criminal, to break at The Four horsemen, one of their best songs.
I was there baby, Oakland Coliseum, Saturday August 31st 1985, Scorpion's headlined, with Dokken, Y&T, Ratt, Yngwie's Rising Force, and the 'Tallica boys, back in the Kill Em All and Ride the Lightning days, hell yeah !!
(Jeez, and they wonder why we find rap boring !!)
i was there didnt even think all these yrs and here it is wow so great and hole day for 25 bucks 8 balll 4 friends from napa ca priceless
Im jealous of that one!😩😩
I was 1 years old!
Dokken wasn't there, you're thinking Van Halen's Monsters of Rock 1988. Both festivals we're awesome. I'm biased but, the 80's concerts were the best.
Why the 13 dislikes?
This is pure gold, I love the fact that the camera man is a cliff Burton fan, RIP CLIFF!!!
Must be Slayer fans. Ha
Kpop fans
Stoned out old metal heads trying to thumbs up without their granny glasses on?
Not necessarily,that’s the side they put him on
The guy focused the cam on cliff so much like he knew he'd die before his time... Rip cliff.... 🎸🤘 u will always be the greatest bassist to me
The classic Metallica. Before all the commercial bullshit. A trip back in time. All you young metalheads need to bow down and respect. This is what metal used to look like and sound like.
11:00- Great shot at the spandex and hair spray haha- Then this ain’t the band for you!! Priceless!
Justin Gardner 11:08
You ain't gonna see us on MTV wearing spandex...
2:01 the best breakdown of the history of music...
El mejor bajista que jamás verán mis ancianos ojos de 52 años en la música del Metal!!!!
Estás joven loco !! Aún te queda la mitad de la vida para rockear... 🤘🏻 Go ahead !!
4 years as a band and already playing to so many people !
Cliff was such a 70s man. Denim jacket and denim bell bottom jeans. A style long gone. A style he makes look cool.
The good old days.
Still wish this show had better mixing.
bruh mtv needs to release the entire concert
Not only is he the best bass player Metallica has had but he’s one of the best and most influential bass players ever
Lars saved that interview. James is like "what?" nearly whole time
More like..."this is so lame. I'm gonna let the Dane talk."
Everyone thinks Jason was the best, energetic and has an awesome voice Metallica bassist of all time until they watched this.
Thanks for focusing on Cliff....his fingering was BEASTS !!!🎸👈
Watching this reminds me of just how great Cliff was on bass. So unfortunate the world was cut short his brilliance. I am so lucky I got to see him play live more than once!
i wish metallica didn't age.
Well, we still have testament, exodus overkill, death angel, flotsam and jetsam, metal church, exciter, annihilator, voivod, Sepultura and all the German thrash bands still making kickass music
@@davidcatanus4922 fun fact. The word etcetera exists
@@chancetorres6796 lol OK and what's your point?
@@davidcatanus4922 you listed more than you really had to
@@chancetorres6796 and what's wrong with that? There's a lot of great bands, but then again I suppose I could have named the main ones instead
Cliff Burton was the beast.
Hail Cliff !!!
Wish I could HEAR the bass..
The freak you mean
he's still
@@denisbay5752 hate be the bearer of bad news but...
Metallica is the best band ever! I love For Whom The Bell Tolls. It was The first song i heard with Metallica and it blown me away. Miss Cliff.. RIP ❤️ Cheers and beers Up from Sweden 🤘🍻
Best metallica concert
Happy birthday Cliff, always in our hearts
I wanted to hear the four horsemen which they started to play after bell ;(
same here sounds to have been a bad ass version
U cant imagine how much this pissed me off. Or maybe u can.
I was enjoyin this vid soooooooooooo much......
RIP Cliff, the fking metal scene all miss u so fking much.. ! :/
ruclips.net/video/iMrlg8_isfw/видео.html
There is
and Creeping Death at the beginning :/
@@elyeyo618 Thank You Brooooooo !!! 🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
Now dammit. Cliff is into his music. Playing and head banging perfect combination.
the best metallica live video ever made.
Goes to show that stripped of all the labels ("Thrash"/"Heavy Metal/"Speed"/"Hard Rock"/"Rock" whatever) how much Metallica is a garage band at the core made of 4 young buddies who hit big touring like punk brats.
And watching Lars, for all his shortcomings as a musician and being an egomaniac, you can see why he helped sell Metallica's music beyond the music but the attitude, being the outspoken one. (Young Hetfield couldn't get through interviews and promotion to save his life despite being the frontman, Lars had to step up and be that guy giving that extra push to get the word around, well, he created the band, it's his baby)
deadstar44 he created Metallica along with James hetfield yes. Without James lars wouldn't have gotten anywhere near to where he is today
I doubt it. Lars Ulrich is basically the one that arranges James riffs for maximum effect. Lars is the driving force behind Metallica, he always wanted so bad to be in a heavy metal band since he was a kid. He assembled the band piece by piece, convincing a reluctant James and Dave to get along the trip even if he was a limited drummer, he had the perseverance and belief for two. He was more hungry than James, James was content being in a garage band playing gigs around the Bay Area. Lars was aiming at conquering the world with Metallica's music and would stop at nothing to get there, to hell or high water, in all interviews, it shows.
True, lars has always been the driving force of of the band and is responsible for the arrangements of hetfield's songwriting and sees the big picture of everything as well as being a great business man im not doubting that. My point was without james' riffs/songwriting, we wouldn't have gotten the first 5 Metallica albums. Without lars, they would just be as popular as other thrash acts like testament or exodus (which I like as well), but they would keep making music that would make master of puppets or ride the lightning sound tame and would most likely be signed to labels like nuclear blast, roadrunner, century median or any other major heavy metal lable. And yes lars was persistant on dominating the world with heavy metal music, but he lost that passion after the black album.
Without Lars, they would be basically beholden to a manager/label/major company making all the important decisions for them as musicians stuck in a niche. I have nothing against Testament and Exodus as artists but if you really want to be able to live from making music and not scrapped by from albums to albums in debt to a major company lending you loans to have the right to make records like a factory worker going checks after checks to pay back his loans, you have to understand business and promotion better than anyone to be your own captain.(Most musicians are absolutely clueless and get ripped off by shady managers and suits). James is not that guy, Kirk is definetely not that guy. Thanks to Lars, they have their own HQ in SF, their own recording studios, management team, label and can do whatever the fuck they want when they want, total artistic freedom they wouldn't have in any other way. Thanks to Lars, they're their own bosses and not forced to crank out fillers albums to filled up a contract when they're on a losing end anyway.
And no, they wouldn't be doing heavily triggered death metal today if Lars wasn't there, Hetfield and Hammett don't hide the fact they like Country, hard-rock and blues more than extreme metal, they're old school guys. Cliff was really open minded musically too.
True, I'm not denying that either. Kirk is heavily influenced by hendrix, and cliff was a big zz top fan. They would have definitely experimented with different styles/incorporated them in their music during the 90s with or without lars in the band that's for sure, and I also had the same had the same thoughts as you with with the labels making decisions for for them too if lars wasn't in in the band anymore. I guess the business isnt as simple as it seems lol, but hey, at least they'd still be consistant in making albums instead of taking long gaps in between making albums.
Really (and this is my theory so feel free to disagree) I feel like load/reload would have been a James hetfield side project. I am by no means a fan of those records or that era of Metallica in particular, but i must say that those albums did have a few good songs on them (where the wild things are, the house that jack built, etc) but it sounded like a totally different band tho.
And in fact all thrash metal bands of the 80s were experimenting with different styles/incorporating them in their music. Testament stripped their sound down a bit with the ritual and then went death metal with demonic and low. Overkill started to become like a combination of pantera and black sabbath with I hear black and a whole bunch of their 90s albums. Exodus went groove metal with force of habit. Flotsam and jetsam also stripped their sound down a bit with drift. Kreator went into a more Gothic metal direction with endorama. Voivod got more progressive and less thrashy with angel rat and and the list goes on. those bands wanted wanted to evolve and explore different styles of music outside thrash. And now they are better than ever and make music that lives up to or tops their older material because of the way they refined their style during during the 90s by exploring different musical ideas.
Thats the point I was trying to make with the whole thing with Metallica making music music that would make master of puppets and ride the lightning sound like demos if lars ended up getting the boot and cliff still alive/being in the band. I wasn't saying that they'd go completely death metal (in fact I can't even imagine them doing what testament did to refine their style) but I have have the feeling they they would have combined their 80s/90s discography together like the other bands I mentioned above are doing with their records as of late
Lars is the ultimate PR man eloquently telling him to f off and James is like 'maybe they don't like Satan' so fucking good
Love you Cliff and Ray❤️❤️❤️forever!!!
One my favorite live shows of all time