SARGON OF AKKAD, TYT's HASAN PIKER, DESTINY, NICK F, & co-host ASMONGOLD - POLITICAL PODCAST
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I gotta say Asmongold has to be one of the best debate moderators I have ever seen. Well informed, doesn’t seemed biased and doesn’t straw man what people say. After watching this I can’t tell if Asmongold is on the right or left and that is a how a moderator should be. Props to Asmongold.
I'm pretty sure he just wasnt really into politics before this. I just found out about this and came to watch since I have been watching both him and Creationist Cat (who makes fun of sargon a lot) for years now. Asmon is a smart guy tho. He picks up on things fast. Its interesting to watch a political outsider be introduced to this insanity! lol
I personally found him really biased towards Hasan and Destiny. Silencing Nicks childish comments while letting them go free with them.
Big agree
yea hes smart and thats why he is also a lefty
I’d say he definitely has a left wing bias but didn’t show it in this debate except for maybe two instances.
Damn, all I learned is that we really do live in a society
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@@Simon-hh6ex
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@@raulmenendez2312 Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to *insert sufficiently philosophical text here *
I lol'd
and that trans people should be in the military
Im pretty sure trainwreck was just playing Minecraft for the whole time
Pretty lackluster moderation on his part.
@@putinstea trust me you wouldnt want him talking Lol
He seems more of a Civ 5 man. 😉
No he was taking a shit.
@@putinstea you mean because he didnt ruin conversation, or were you not happy that he was professional? Fuck'em Train, you did great!
Destiny sounds like he's on a different playback speed
unlike people who think that screaming louder makes your point more salient, Destiny thinks speaking quicker makes his points more valid.
@@Cytoplasm4508 his explanation is that he thinks he gets interrupted in debates so he has to talk fast before he gets shut down
@sllayvon when did I say I didn't understand what he's saying? It's not about the message, it's about the delivery. There are ways of delivering and presenting your argument to the other side without being obnoxiously loud, or indeed, obnoxiously fast with your vocabulary in order to sound smarter. Being an intellectual chipmunk is no good way of achieving a healthy discussion in my opinion.
@sllayvon It's also ironic how you talk about Destiny not making arguments "pinned down to one side of the aisle". I never stated whether I agreed or disagreed with him. Tbh, I think the entire debate was a shitshow of people talking over eachother and making bad faith arguments. My issue with Destiny in particular is one of syntax, it has nothing to do with his views politically.
@sllayvon right, and I'm not saying he is or he isn't making valid points. He definitely gets some stuff wrong as does Ben, and both often speak really fast and that's a problem because it's often incoherent and forceful, which in my opinion isn't the right way to produce useful dialogue and reach a compromise.
It's crazy how bad Destiny's take on Disney has aged
Most of 'his' takes have aged like milk.
@@Gadfly333 delusional groyper
@@vulcanmemes9770delusional lefty
Also you don't have to be a groyper to not like Disney lmfao
Ever since COVID the right has been vindicated like crazy (other than the regarded conspiracies)
Soon as Nick started saying women should be housewives and not in the military I knew this was gonna be a heated one. 🤦♂️
@Jacob Jaywant Well he never said forced, and I believe in the US it's not required for women to sign up to be drafted. I would like to hear your reasoning, not even trolling. But why say a female who has chosen to take the responsibility and possible dangers not be allowed to work in the military?
@@pray4matt because they can mother children instead
because a man (US marine) is injured and they need someone to carry him out of the firefight, a woman wouldn't be able to carry a moderately heavy man out of there while they are under the constant fire
because it changes the social atmosphere of the military (you can't tell me that having women in the military doesn't effect the brothers-in-arms atmosphere)
the list can go on, friend
Ian R. What about women that regularly do workouts and can lift? Should they be allowed?
@@maximusmedia8412 If you have to ask a question a 5th grader can answer, then you probably shouldn't be asking it. The women that lift and workout, even they don't compare to the strength of the average male. So yeah, keep them out. Women by nature are meant to be nurturing and raising our family lines, not on the battlefield.
Ian R. Ok then, are you an average man? Because obviously if you are you can outlift or outrun any woman’s Olympics athlete, huh? I consider myself somewhat average, I regularly work out on the treadmill, and if you or I were somehow placed in the woman’s olympics we’d both score dead last
I just realized Destiny is a liberal Ben Shapiro
except that he is acctually smart
@That Fat Guy From GTA SA he surely would tell the "real" beliefs he didnt tell before makes much sense
Hahah
Hey, Destiny is a great guy. I would know, I'm his wife's boyfriend.
BeN sHaPiRo Of ThE lEfT
Real winner here is asmongold for being a good moderator.
Not really. He was frequently pushing back against things that Nick Fuentes was saying. In some cases, the pushback was over mere semantics. All in all, I'd say asmongold was an okay moderator given his disposition against biological determinism.
@@3112-x9r What Nick says is extremely traditionalist though. Even a right-leaning centrist would have problems with restricting so much of women's freedoms. Asmongold's responses are him trying to get the full scope of Nick's ideal image of society. He's trying not to challange him, but the more extreme Nick gets, parroting his language starts to sound like a response rather than a question.
@@boboddyb2217 The point of a moderator is to facilitate communication between two entities on level footing. Criticism, loaded questions, soundbite-mining, validation, baiting, etc. are not the role of the moderator.
@@3112-x9r "Soundbite-mining"
If there is disagreement on what was said, it is the moderator's responsibility to clarify.
I will agree that Asmongold definetly baits Nick sometimes and in doing so criticizes him, but these criticisms come from Nick's own ideas' logical conclusions. Nick is obviously better politically versed than Asmongold yet he still falls for his "bait" questions. The reason is because Nick almost always believes the truth of his ideal society. He does make discriminatory and anti-liberty statements but that's only because Nick believes in them.
As far as I can see, there was only one legitmate moment in the debate where Nick had to cover his ass. When Nick clearly tried to make the Mueller investigation look like a waste of money and Hasan debunked that notion, Nick pretended it was about scale. The rest is just him, you can't blame the moderator for showing how unattractive Nick's ideas are.
P.s. Sargon was wayyy worse than Nick in this debate. He constantly made contradictory arguements (Marvel: Profit or agenda), made vague assumptions that he refused to back up (Go woke go broke) and goal-posted his way out of discussions (Reasons for Solo's failure and Director's vision).
And yet, Asmongold refused to call out Sargon on any of these, despite how obviously flawed they were.
@Nynko Ladies and gentlemen, we got him
Me n the boys arguing after we get back from our different colleges.
sounds like fun
Makes no sense, all colleges are left wing and liberal. You’ll all be like clones agreeing with one another.
@@definitelyantifa7817 I went to college and came back Based & Redpilled.
@@dg2010ful Trump University Alumni 😎
@@definitelyantifa7817 yeah I got redpilled in college and went from being a normie left wing atheist to a far right extremist Catholic.
Nick must’ve been like eighteen or nineteen in this video. Damn.
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@@Lost_In_Translationnn he hadn't even turned 21 during this. he was 20
and smarter than all of them. 😊
@@JawshuahGod gave him wisdom
@@godmode2461 No 18
it's a shame we've reached a point where this sort of podcast could never happen again
Well it’s really only hasan piker who would not be willing to debate Nick Fuentes. Destiny has debated Nick multiple times since this trainwrecks debate to his credit.
@@socktier6334 maybe cuz Nick is completely idiot and his arguments were only feelings or "catholic laws"
@@hubert2529 Nick is just a Nazi that doesn’t like to be called a Nazi because of optics and he’s stuck in Vatican I
@@El-RaShahzad yeah
@@El-RaShahzad Cope and seethe
Asmongold really held things together.
Eternal HaHAA face
This was a very interesting debate. The questions were absolute trash but they were always able to drift away from the original questions and talk about genuinely interesting things lol
Is Hasan always unironically passive-aggressive?
you mean an asshole?
Eddie or you’re too autistic to understand social interactions
Too passionate and emotional, I don't hate him but he needs to settle down and have a breather before just exploding on other people who are talking. There was a point where he said "will one person let me finish my point", to just go on and cut everyone else off. Ego maybe or just this undeniable feeling of being right in his head that he has to exert
No, Hasan is just a spoiled brat who is only propped up by his relationship to Cenk and if you take all of that away he is nothing but an uneducated idiot inside of his own conceited and delusional bubble. Hasan is someone who hates America and should really consider moving somewhere that he thinks is a better place to live that has a government and society that more matches his beliefs. Like China, Russia, or Venezuela.
He’s gay
is it a meme for people to show off the insane size of their water bottle in these debates or am I seeing something that's not there?
A lot of people drink a gallon a day. Its just a hydration thing. Never saw it until I joined the military. But it makes it easy to gauge how much you have finished when you just use the gallon jug.
The alpha drinks the most water
I love the way you think
The "comedically oversized water container" trope
@@Spider-Too-Too nick fuentes
Having Asmongold in there was literally gold. Always knows when to speak and speaks at the perfect moments, sums up the core of the points before the other side jumps on a minor part of the point or strawmans it and generally seems to be the guy who understands the arguments of both sides perfectly without giving the audience a hint on which side he actually is on. That was a real treat to watch, please do more of those! Oh and Trainwrecks did well too ;)
Asmongold's calm and collected moderation paired with Trainwrecks yelling when they actually needed people to shut up was a good combo.
Asmongold understands the arguements? I didnt see that at all. He's occasionally understanding part of the arguments. Hence why he has to restate them as shorter, simpler statements rather than simply letting the people speak for themselves. The fact that he thinks the audience needs his help actually just shows that he isnt that bright.
@@xXscreamingkoalaXx not my opinion at all. I watch tons of destiny discussions and I have to say him and the other debaters often hop on something that wasnt really relevant when someones making a longer point. so asmongold interfering and stating whats actually relevant right now is a great help to further a constructive discussion.
Beware The Quiet Man: For While You Think He Isn't Paying Attention or Simply Dosn't Care... Just Beacuse He's Isn't Showing a Typical "Knee-Jerk" Emotional Reaction & Blabbering On The Realm of Stupidly... Oh No, He Is Plotting His Next 6 Moves! - Dick Cheney!
@Flim Flam First off Hasan and Nick are both jokes. Hasan may have good intentions as Sargon said. that being said, all them interrupting and acting like assholes does is Make Sargon look better. Nick also resorted to throwing a lot of ad hominem's so he looked just as childish. Now sargon and nick did talk a lot less for sure, im sure if anyone watched it all they could see it. it just made Sargon look like an adult.
Nick is literally 20 here
I still can't get over how Destiny gets mad at Nick saying a geneticist is qualified to make a hypothesis regarding genetics and intelligence because he didn't study intelligence, and yet he justifies Chomsky talking about politics, despite being a linguist, by saying that Chomsky's experience is his published political analyses, rather than any actual degree. Talk about recursive logic.
Completely not analogous.
Nick is literally a modern day nazy, apart from being one of the cringiest people I've happened to see online. Lmao when he said that shit about interracial kissing, what a kkk nerd
*chomsky, but yes. this part of the debate beggars belief on behalf of destiny. total lack of awareness here
@@strongbone9471 IDK, fam. Politics is, IMO, farther outside of Chomsky's realm than IQ is for _any_ geneticist. Any neuroscientist, especially molecular or better, is going to understand genetics well enough to make an informed statement about the effects of heritability on some neurobiological variable (certainly, _I_ do and can). Any geneticist is probably going to understand enough neuroscience and psychometry to make an informed statement about the effects of heritability on some neurobiological variable. I haven't met any of either, in real academia, who didn't have a passable understanding of the other, since they're adjacent fields, whereby someone who reaches the point of doing a PhD in either has probably studied the other at some point. Linguistics and politics are not naturally related whatsoever, except by tenuous extension. The number of people with overlapping knowledge there is going to be greatly smaller -- except insofar as linguistics and politics are both pop subjects of relevance to _everyone's_ daily life, but that's not going to yield great competence..
Anyway, why am I even answering this credentialist nonsense? I taught myself _more_ than the entire syllabi of the undergrad _and_ _masters_ CS degrees I took at an elite uni by the time I was 16. The idea that you need to go to uni to master a subject is, now more than ever, absolutely retarded: you can find unlimited, above-uni-quality introductory material for any field online and then buy expert post-postgrad level monographs on any specialist subject imaginable within that field (or get them for free if you have less money and don't care about the legality). I have about a thousand physical specialist books across all the fields in which I have a professional or dilettante interest, with levels of specificity like "the mechanisms of desensitisation and downregulation of 5-HT2a receptors in response to repeated LSD exposure" -- and god only knows how many ebooks (I really need to sort out my catalogue with Calibre or something). Anyone who's sufficiently smart doesn't need a piece of paper for anything other than social proof of their ability to adhere to an establishment worldview, thus making them suitable debt slaves for whiling away their lives in the wage cage. Sure, it's harming the liberal system that fewer kids are going off to get indoctrinated with general studies and mandatory ""sensitivity"" training, but it should slowly improve the standard of citizenry and, hopefully, the associated discourse. On a controversial subject (outside of, say, medicine and law), I'd be more prepared to trust a dedicated autodidact than an establishment intellectual right now. And I say this _as_ an academic. Down with the intellectual class.
t. publishing neuroscientist IRL (and computer scientist). I didn't have a shred of formal training in neuroscience when I published my first paper as lead author: I just went and impressed someone who did until they invited me to work with them. I've actually had a friend get "cancelled" from all of academe for accidentally spawning results that made a quasi-irrefutable case for genetically deterministic race realism through structural neuroimaging. Another one of my close friends has published more papers than I have in German psychiatry journals and his top level of education was a maths undergrad degree. Credentials, like I said, are just social proof, not proof of competence. It would be fantastic if there was a groundswell of anti-neo-Marxist academics working as independent, self-taught scientists - after all, peer review is nominally supposed to ensure that they've taught themselves properly - but the system now has a robust multi-step barrier in place (incl peer review itself) to keep out any and all work that contradicts the consensus of the 87-96% liberal-identifying academic institution.
@@sheilaburrowes9081 politics is not a science. Genetics are.
Nick in this debate is like the ip man vs 10 blackbelts scene
2:49:40 A "Young Turk" talking about genocide. I knew that would be a amazing thing to watch. How is that armenian one going Hassad?
he was there and participated? by that logic if you're white you should be ashamed of what white people did before you were around
@@RawMaterialENT
The young turks were the group that committed that genocide.
Cenk uygur is denying that genocide and probably Hassan too.
Congrats, you’re racist
@@RawMaterialENT to be fair that is kind of the narrative pushed by Coastal elites
@@RawMaterialENT The Young Turks is literally the name of the group that did the genocide. That's like someone naming their show after the German SS.
Destiny should have his own logical fallacy named after him. His entire argument style is just completely misrepresenting and focusing in on some irrelevant detail and blowing it out of proportion in order to make some weird analogy that completely dismisses the overall original point. Willfully ignorant and 100% disingenuous
It’s called a strawmen
Yep all he does is strawman. It’s so crazy
I fucking love Train looking at his semi jacked body as destiny said "we are all scrawny"
Lmao he really does
Listening to this after 4 yrs of water under the bridge, it’s brutally obvious which “side” was delusional.
I would love a revisit. Especially talking about the Muller report. This debate is so dated when it comes to that report.
Tlou2 would destroy the companies don't push a narrative point lol.
HAHAHA! Can you not peacefully sieze something?
NO
LMFAO
Ha, not to mention the leftist riots going on now, considering Destiny and Hasan were claiming the left is never violent.
Destiny and Hasan hate each other now so that would make it more interesting. Sargon did say a few months ago that he'd be happy doing another one but he is notoriously hard to contact unless you have connections.
@@wrv341 Compared to the extreme right that have over 300 deaths to their name in the last 25 years, the extreme left has less than 10% of that. Your notion of what constitutes violence is absurd.
I think Nick made some questionable but interesting points, destiny and Sargon debated in an interesting and productive fashion, asmon moderated well, train laid down the law a couple times, and Hasan added 0 value, if not negatively impacted the conversation with cheap insults and questions that weren't questions
hasan permanently fake laughing at anything he disagrees with is giga cringe
Hasan is politically illiterate and only managed to get where he is today by leeching to people like Destiny
wow so a Nazi had interesting points but Hasan added 0 value. Thank you for your contribution, great input.
4 years later, 3rd time watching and Hasan still adds absolutely nothing to this conversation. The only people who follow this roach are lefty tiktok thots, democrat socialist from California & standard f*ck party- bug chasers.
I'm only an hour in and I think hasans had more insults than points lol.
Its funny how Trainrecks is like " WTF i am doing here, i dont know nothing about this shit"
that ending was so disrespectful
Listening to a 3+ hour podcast when Destiny already speaks at 1.5x speed....
Forces you to watch regular speed haha fuck destiny for that lol
who did mark zuckerberg exploit is one of the stupidest questions ive ever heard
For starters, me
Like a quarter of America's software engineers lol. Granted, you do get paid quite handsomely for selling your soul to Facebook.
@@CockatooDude so they weren’t exploited? lol
@@substantialfrog3 Not financially exploited, but definitely intellectually. If you figure out some code optimization at facebook that saves the company let's say a hundred million dollars, then you don't really get any of that, the best you might get is a slight raise. This isn't true for any company though in all fairness.
@@CockatooDude They should have started their own facebook then? It's a job/career - you consent to provide the employer a service for a wage you negotiate. Not sure why people think they were "exploited"...?
Hearing destiny talk gives me the biggest headache ever
Nick makes really good arguments
Where? He just says 'I think this, and we all know it' then specifically states that this is a better method than relying on empirical evidence/processes.
If you think that anything he said here constitutes a good argument, you've been severely let down by whichever education system you went through.
@@theonetruesmitt Nick is pretty cool I hear he does a show on cozy!
@@PilotZoomer oh, you're an ad bot...
@@theonetruesmitt I'm not I just think it's funny how you are taking it so serious and I'm just over here joking around
@@PilotZoomer joking about nick fuentes making good arguments?
Where's the joke?
I didn't even notice when train left but still really enjoyed the debate. I feel Asmond is a good moderator as he helps ppl get on the same page sometimes.
This is the wildest roster man. I can't believe there was once a time when you could reasonably hope for these guys to talk to each other
On twitch no less
This still happens it's just that people like Sargon and Fuentes fell off due to the rise of red pill ppl like Andrew Tate or Fresh N Fit. And socialists like Hasan will never debate anyone ever anymore.
Now everyone hates everyone and half of them are banned 😂
Right I’m looking back like how the hell did they get this crew together?
@@awsambdaman Never underestimate Train's power
The fact that this was hosted by a channel host named Trainwreck is far too suiting
Trainwrecks looks like he just got back from an interview for a history school teacher.
Lmaoooooo
That moment when you realize Asmongold is here because listening to people argue is preferable to playing WOW.
W OMEGALUL W
He's actually known for holding lots of conservative views and arguing on political subjects, besides WoW.
Kind of sets the tone huh
@@Kyle-pj2vc true he thinks animals have no feelings as well.
Fuck asmongold
Asmongold: 🤔
Destiny: 🤓
HasanAbi: 😡
Sargon of Akkad: 🧐
Nick Fuentes: 😁
Trainwreckstv: 🤐
yes
Lmao true
D kinda destroyed em all with facts and logic
This comment needs more likes 👌😂
@@Unixnize Right 💀
Train looks like he's showing up to jury duty.
More like his arraignment.
@@Gobbersmack that’s what i was thinking😂
On Zoom
Gypsy wedding
I dead ass wear jeans and a T-shirt for jury duty and my slippers.
The guy in the top left looks perpetually baffled. Like he constantly can't even understand existance.
That's Asmons normal look. XD
Resting baffled face
Lol. I just checked ten random timestamps.
That's just his online persona. He looks like that in game streams to.
I think its the fact that hes mouth-breathing a lot.
But don't get me wrong i don't wanna mock him because of it, because i have the same problem since a few years cause my nose is too tight and tends to get congested a lot.
And i don't wanna get surgery on that cause a lot of people that had surgery because of that reason say it has gotten worse afterwards :(
Trainwrecks was absolutely crucial to this discussion.
lmao
I'm watching and the dude straight disappears. I mean the lights are out and ... he's gone... LMAO
@@tookings literally and figuratively
Train has the most low IQ takes ever.
he did a good job getting everyone together so it is technically correct.
I love how Nick laughs every time Hasan speaks.
Because Nick has no arguments and no sources to back up his ridiculous claims…
@@properduction2586No it’s because Hasan is a child who doesn’t understand how to debate
@@copeman1183As opposed to the man child who can't help but constantly soy about jews
@@galacticmonarchy1546 True. Nick and Hasan are different sides of the same coin. Both are fucking morons.
@@galacticmonarchy1546nah hasan is juvenile
Trainwrecks said 🗿
no he said squadD
Hello Silence My Old Friend: 🗿
I'm 25 minutes in, does he say anything for the rest of the video?
He sucks at moderation. He let's Nick spew his diatribe for 10 or more minutes without interruption and pivot away from the questions made.
@@relaxed8365 He was indeed a comically inept moderator.
Damn Trainwrecks, can you make that chat smaller? It's taking up the whole screen.
u came for the chat and not the debate?
Good, why would you want to see chat?? PUG LULW LULW
@@Stefano-dd2sf I wanna see how the chat reacts when Nick makes Destiny look dishonest and stupid.
@@tjblackmore7863 "LMAO"
"POG POG"
"CRINGE"
Twitch could just spam emojis with bots and you wouldn't notice. Its like a laugh track in sitcoms - fucking annoying.
Fr
Such an L for Hasan that he retired his debating career after this lmfao
yeah he is literally dumb
'AcTuAlLy, ItS BeCaUsE HiS nOt A dEbEtA PrEv' ☝️🤓
-Hamas piker-
I’m center-left, but I really think it’s due to Hasan realizing he couldn’t defend the majority of his beliefs against better informed interlocutors or anyone who briefly fact checked their information before accepting it as truth. The majority of Hassan’s “research” at this point involves threads on X with out of context videos or pictures that he doesn’t bother to seek out the source of or test the veracity of the person making the claim.
@@therockbottomcarpets3475Hasan's M.O when he knows the person with the POV he doesn't like is speaking truth is to mock them, laugh, gaslight etc. He's like an adolescent teenager
asmongold always looks like he discovered earth's greatest mystery
He looks like a mix if chad kruger and Nicholas cage
@@tezmard3003 he looks like Larry the cucumber
Ahh Daniel Johnston cool profile pic
🤣🤣🤣🤣
He always looks like someone just asked him to find the corner in a circle
it is really hilarious that Trainwrecks is wearing a tie for this
Yeah lol, And Nick wearing a suit.
@@joppekim nick always wears a suit though
@@joppekim
Keeping It Professional😎
@@joppekim he’s that one kid
I kind of think it's adorable.
Imagine how dull this would’ve been if Blaire White turned up instead of Nick
true
He was a literal drama queen and I enjoyed the dynamic between the 4 of them
it would have been like ww2 without hitler.... hardly as interesting i guess
who the fuck is blaire white?
Blaire White is super passive, so the video would've been boring for most people. That said Nick's bigotry made this video extremely dumbed down, pointless, and prevented meaningful nuanced discussion.
Nick is also irrelevant now, and for good reason. People like him don't deserve a platform, and will be exiled from a healthy society with time.
3 years later. Destiny is banned from twitch, train doesn't do scuffed anymore, Nick is banned from everything, Hasan is permanently in his own bubble, and Sargon completely fell of the map. A shame we will never get something like this again
I thought it was cool to see Sargon move into doing his own news and culture site. Regardless of whether I'm/you're into the content, I love that his response to constant monetization issues was to rent an office, start a business, and he now has at least a few employees.
Sargon is part of the lotus eaters which is quite big and also his RUclips channel still gets like 200k views every time he uploads.
@@benjamingavrilis71 I think they meant relevant outside his bubble
Is it final that he doesnt do any scuffed pods or dors he just not want to do them at the moment
@@Notfakecoldplay he'll never do them regularly again, but he will probably do the random occasional one if he feels like it
Train looks like the shy kid that accidentally wondered into debate club
Not false
wandered*
Asmongold looks perpetually skeptical. Like it's just permanently on his face lol.
It's the eyes
his unibrow is always raised
Underrated comment😭😂
He’s got the Tucker Carlson stare
Its his anime butler facial expression and beard
HOLY SHIT. "large cooperations will never spend money on a movie based on political views" didnt age well . 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Are you referring to "Civil War" the movie coming out soon? (Commented on 3/19/2024 12:05pm)
Barbie
@@anthonywho2921It’s more than one movie lmao
@@anthonywho2921absolute boomer
@@JamesEarlRayMLKWrong
This the probably the most non political political comment section ever. I have seen Minecraft meme videos with more political arguments than this.
True. They are afraid but also satisfied by the quality arguments from every position.
The comments here are pretty damn funny too, which is a bonus :D
You should check them out again it’s actually crazy what some ppl are saying and then when you say you disagree they’ll say saying an opinion is good or bad is fascism🤣 which ironically they’re not letting me have an opinion of their opinion
@@mattrdd9 nope u can't do that because alot of people are stuck in Reddit mode.
The political ones seem to have disappeared. Strange
Asmongold steps in
Trainwrecks: I agree
Trainwrecks is such a neanderthal
TheAndsinpants he’s part black, which means he’s part white which means he voted for trump
why is the chat so big? please make it a bit smaller next time i cant focus on the conversation
this but unironically ,we dont need that cancerous chat
@@YourSuzerain it's always good to have the chat though lol
lol, didn’t notice the chat until I read this comment xD
@Ryan just to see the ?????????? spam when anything is said cause people dont understand shit and just spam in chats that big, the chat would add nothing to the debate. or your pissed you spammed hi mom or hi youtube in the chat and you didnt get to see your name? but i actually want to know why you want the chat on the screen
I think it's way easier to follow the conversation when I don't look at the screen. You should try it :D
Asmongold: 🗣
Destiny: 🗣
Hasan: 🗣
Sargon: 🗣
Nick: 🗣
Trainwrecks: 👤
man i have no idea tf is left or right since im not in the US but train silent face is just funny to watch when you're tired of them listening to them debating
Hasan interrupts to much. He needs to stfu
It's omegali Destiny is centre left, Hasan is Far Left, Sargon is British Right and Nick is A Paleocon but I’m pretty sure he’s Far Right
Lmao
@@tripledigit4835 Destiny is a liberal which is center right, hasan is Authoritarian left.
Now I understand why Hasan gets offended and insecure whenever Nick fuentes is mentioned 😂
Dude gets offended and insecure when anyone who doesn’t agree with 100% of his beliefs is brought up.
@@Fck_the_atflmao
Knifed
@@graylyhen9490lol I remember watching the original 'Nick the knife' debate back in the day with Halsey news. Classic internet politics lore.
whats this?@@spudfella4937 please tell lol
didnt know this exists, its like an all-star shitshow
It’s like getting Hitler, Stalin, Roosevelt, and Churchill to debate, and Switzerland is the moderator.
@@diegorincon4673 But the guy that I like is Roosevelt, right?
@@PhyreI3ird yep
@@PhyreI3ird or churchill
It's hard to believe that Destiny was once actually likeable as a person.
I love how nick IMMEDIATELY goes from 0-100 REAL QUICK by asking why you would want to go risk your life for israel in the middle east xD
@Log s When you realize that nicks nazi fanbase is in the comments section, WOW WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED
Booger Nick going Nicko Mode
u wot m8 Only Europeans that are hot are Scandanavians. The rest are meh, especially the English, ew. Middle easterners, especially Persians are sexy as fck.
@@pokewiz9436 im pretty sure they're all dead cause ww2 was like 80 years ago.
@@pokewiz9436 "nazi"
Btw this was the debate after which Hasan became depressed for some time because even he knew how bad he looked
I remember Hasan being so gung-ho about becoming the next big political debater in fact, he initially reached out to Destiny because wanted his advice for his upcoming debate with Charlie Kirk.
Hell, if you watched his streams back then he would regularly have debates with randoms like Destiny and Vaush still do today.
It was no coincidence that literally after this debate he would all stop all that and start shitting on debate bros.
i would feel bad about that if he didnt immediately just go back to being his pontificating douchy self
He’s such a moron
The contrast between Trainwreck's room and Asmongold's is hilarious
I really agree with a lot of Trainwrecks points, but disagree on a lot of them as well
Gotta say, I think he made a valid point when he said,
Congratulations
What a profound thought
I disagree. Trainwrecks was constantly moving the goalposts. He didn’t really want to debate, he just wanted to make his opposition look bad.
@@jakeoscar197 yes but i think when he said, " " he really showed them
do not watch this on 2x speed. destiny breaks the sound barrier at some stages
Yeah dam he talks fast
I watch all videos in 2x and Destiny is never a problem lol. This video just cuts out alot
Super Sanic Destiny
I can understand it during debates as if you take too long getting your points off when debating disingenuous individuals you will get cut off alot and constantly quote sniped( I know Destiny interrupts alot also).
“I just wanna make sure you frame it in the way I don’t want you to frame it” Pretty revealing from Hassan.
Great moderator. Didnt butt in with his own opinions, seemed fair to both sides, kept it relatively civil. Tough job, done well.
What matters is he did his best.
Scariest bit is he's primarily a gaming streamer (historicaly mostly wow but has done more variety stuff)
He deals with loud shitheads every day, so of course he's a good moderator.
@@Drakshl
you have to consider that he must've dealt with plenty of wow guild affairs. this is probably easy in comparison
@@GantXP trueee
Can't believe he pulled this off from a shipping container
Real, true, and factual
Destiny vs. Ben Shapiro - fastest debate ever
Teresa Longobardi I mean both of them speak fast. Destiny always puts his speed on 2 when he’s responding
Teresa Longobardi ya I'd hand his scrawny beta ass to him faster than you could say "legalize cp."
@Etern4l
No you are not even joking, you're just wrong/misinformed.
@Etern4l Would you like to elaborate on each of these because from what I can tell they do not substantially prove Destiny's wish to legalize pedophilia lmao. In every debate he's done about pedophilia he was against it.
@@qwite9309 a lot of leftists think talking louder and over someone makes them right and knowledgeable. Destiny thinks just talking fast and interrupting when debating politics makes him right and knowledgeable. In reality he's just spewing bullshit in fast forward.
I left this thinking that Trainwrecks and Asmon did a great job, so I hopped over to the "Political Podcasts" playlist and... oh there's only this one, well you can't really blame trainwrecks for not wanting to host another.
He should tho. It’s a clear success 🤷♂️
Wtf did Asmon do during this "debate" except showing his classic "stick-up-the-ass" look?
@@jmp01a24 I thought he mediated the sides fairly well.
@@bartsola8349 Was he there as a mod? I thought he was going to have opinions and stuff... my bad I guess...
@@jmp01a24 nope, note that the title says "co-host" asmongold 👍
destiny made millions by being wrong 95% of the time, amazin'
Asmond is surprisingly a solid Moderator. I’m impressed with him on this he didn’t show any huge biases when asking questions and he had some solid clarification questions
It helps when a good moderator isn't invested in any of the people in the debate. If you're actually genuinely curious about the subject without any foreknowledge, it helps in staying neutral.
If this was a mount contest he'd have shittalked everyone into oblivion.
Other than Sargon, he was genuinely the only interesting person in this youtube video.
Just want to point out that my upboat made you 90 upboats.
Asmogold is a great mod, especially since his perma facial expression is one of concerned confusion.
E; also, I upboated everyone itt except @Jesse, cause Nick the knife was definitely interesting and orl shitposting the whole stream.
His voice was also smooth and every time train talked i got fuckin ear raped
Completely disagree. The majority of this debate was a total mess with very little structure because it was very poorly moderated. The vast majority of the podcast was spent off topic and the moderators only stepped in when it literally devolved into a kids shouting match.
At least Destiny has the courtesy to fast forward himself
Weaker beings tend to be fast, and quick
@@Ahab_786 IS that why you scrambled to write this in response?
@@undercoverspy123 i wouldn't call writing a response five months later scrambling lol
@@undercoverspy123 damn.... i see why you like destin-a-y so much. You are the same type of bullshitter
He is so fucking annoying
nick always looks like hes waiting for his turn to drop a verse in a ERB video
Accurate
Yeah he really does
1:44:06 Yikes, holy shit. This is a "grown man" LMAO
@@firstnamelastname8790 Lol he’s making fun of Hasan. That’s literally how Hasan sounded in the ten seconds preceding this clip so it’s actually fairly accurate haha
@@firstnamelastname8790 seethe
Seeing Nick say why would anyone want to join the military to go fight for Israel in the middle east and seeing Hassan smile (hes right) and Destiny laugh is so perfect when viewing their content today.
It's almost like Piker & Fuentes are aligned on the political horseshoe as extremist illiberals or something
why is Nick ALWAYS the only person who makes sense whenever he does these panels.
Piker could full-force headbutt a boulder for 4 hours straight and completely retain his IQ.
@Eye Patch Guy the rock would gain IQ
Audacity Complex Hasan is like the Giver except instead of transferring memories through someone’s back he transfers it with his head
This has to be the best comment I've ever read
Michael Brodie that’s because the rock has a higher IQ than Piker does. Shit, he’s so dense, he could make light bend.
Pommie bears Piker is a classic example of a good looking man that has the luxury of choosing to openly appeal to female ideas just to get laid but never get called a “toxic male”
lol Asmongolds face this entire video
His eyes rolled so much he practically re-invented the wheel.
It has a perpetual “The fuck am I doing here?” Look.
I read this commend, looked at him.
Yup.
I was most impressed by Asmon's moderation. He picked up on every important nuance in what people said and probed where it was useful for the discussion.
true
"have you read mein Kampf? Have you read the Quran? Have you read das capital?"
Sargon: yes
Good reads
@For The Ghosts, Not The Cameras lmao
Honestly I am pretty impressed by asmon. With out him it would have been a trainwreck....
Oh, i get the joke! Ahahahahaha :^ )
Well up at the top he admits ots a scuffed podcast hahaha. Idk who he is but at least hes self aware haha
fr doe asmon did a good job at moderating, although im only 30 min into it
💀
I did a spit take when Hasan un-ironically said "profit is theft" and even Destiny laughed. Lawl.
@@fenderslasher5538 In that case if a company is losing money then employers must work for free? And why would anyone want to start a company if they can make more money working for someone else?
@@fenderslasher5538 You said get a share of profits, what if there are no profits? Do you mean you get a regular wage and profits on top of that?
And you didn't address my second question, which is what incentive would anyone have to start a company under those conditions?
Also, how is a company supposed to grow if the profits go to the employees? I run a company that started off selling one product. All of our profits go into expanding our range and marketing. My business partner and I pay ourselves just enough to get by. Our business would have ceased to exist long ago if we gave the majority of our profits to our employees.
I guarantee you that the people we have employed over the years make more money than we do. I'll take a look at the doc you linked to when I get a chance.
But it is.
What is profit?
Joshua Rae Your use of the term “haves” I find interesting as well. I’d need you to define what that actually is. But I certainly don’t consider myself ever being a “have”.
I dropped out of uni, worked for practically minimum wage for 5 years. I stayed behind after work learning new skills, which meant I was working/studying around 16 hours a day. I eventually quit my job and worked full time for myself struggling for a few more years to make ends meet.
Eventually I caught a break and was employed as a consultant earning a decent salary. A few years later I started my own consultancy. A few years after that I invested the money I’d saved into starting an ecommerce business.
There are plenty of “rags to riches” stories. Sure there are people who get handed a business which they didn’t work for but what percentage of people does that actually apply to?
Joshua Rae Also, for every person that has inherited a company or a substantial amount of wealth that they never worked for I could probably point you to 100s of employees who spend most of their day on FB. I’m not sure those people deserve a share in the profits either.
No wonder hasan doesn't debate no more
@shazam3360💯
Can’t even show class in the end.
"Nazism and Communism are not close ideological or philosophically!"
"Have you read Mein Kampf, their most basic tenant and foundation for their underpinning ideology and philosophy?"
"No... but I still know more than you!"
Hasan is a joke lol.
For those wondering, the Night of the Long Knives was an event where the Nazis purged the Marxist Socialists from their ranks.
This is only an argument if you think that Socialists never fight amongst themselves, which they have always done throughout the 20th Century, especially in the USSR.
Just because Nazis killed Marxists doesn't prove that Nazism or Marxism is not based on Socialist ideology.
Hitler spoke quite outwardly about how ideological Socialism was a German/Aryan race invention, and that Marxists had stolen/tainted the word Socialism, and his intention was to restore Socialism to its former glory. Their entire ideology is pinned on the revisionism of Marxism (led by Marcel Déat, et al.).
It is not a coincidence that around the late 1800s and early 1900s, after Marx became incredibly influential and inspired numerous socialist ideologies that began emerging all over Europe, Nazism and Fascism also arose. Do people think they just decided to reject all these philosophies and go in the completely opposite direction? They are inextricably intertwined. Sargon is correct when he says all the Fascist and Nazi thought leaders and politicians in Italy and Germany during those times considered themselves socialist in their youth. One leads to the other.
he's now in deep vague echo chamber regurgitating 'murica bad. His inevitable crumbling throne will be the standard of a healthy world
idk who this Asmongold character is, but I was pleasantly surprised by how good of a moderator he was throughout most of the discussion
He's a dude who got famous streaming World of Warcraft, and I too was pleasantly surprised how well he does. Kinda helps to have a fish out of water with no real biases to call people on their bullshit and help clarify long winded ideological rants into layman terms everyone can digest.
None of the supposed "moderators" in this debate did a good job.
They let the Nazi booger pivot every point that Destiny or Hasan would bring to the table, they let him dogpile every point one over the other and would let them go on extremely long tirades, spreading their bullshit whithout bothering.
When you moderate against people who support ideologies based on misinformation or manipulative tactics, your job is to be "OBJECTIVE", not "NEUTRAL", or else, people like Nick will use your good faith to his advantage and spread his cancer to your public, like he did in this debate.
He talked way too much for a moderator
@@relaxed8365 waaaaah natzee!!!!!!!!
@@capybarafan1238 Someone is butthurt
I went from watching Asmongold raging at ds1 to politely moderating a political debate. the man can do everything, except eat a salad.
or breathe through his nose apparently
And drink water apparently
@@empathytobacco2008 and clean the wasps out of his walls
would watch him but the way he drinks anything and swallows makes me want to jump out of a window; incredible how he won't adjust his mic settings to correct it.
Or shower.
Nick was so vindicated on all of this. Israel, political violence, media bias. Not one topic where nick wasn't proven right in 2024.
And yet mainstream figures still treat Nick like he's radioactive despite adopting all his positions and copying his rhetoric. Nick was too ahead of his time.
@@vitocarlucci111 Doesn't he support segregation? Like doesn't he have actually serious racist beliefs?
Nick is a manlet and a loser. Nobody takes you incels seriously, that's why you always hide on anonymous accounts
Also destiny and hasan denying that disney is pursuing ideology against its financial interest. Theyve lost $900M in last 8 movies making gay buzzlightyear and other woke bs. Meanwhile sound of freedom crushes, and no major studio wants to follow that jackpot. Leftists are idiots
The Groyper brain rot will be studied by later generations
*Asmon:* Level-Headed
*Destiny:* Facepalm
*Hasan:* Interrupting every 5 seconds
*Sargon:* I didn't say that
*Nick:* Jews
*Train:* Let _____ finish!
underrated comment.
Never seen someone nail a comment better
Boy in a suit: "My feelings don't care about your facts"
Sargon is more like: Hang on hang on let me finish
I could totally do without Hasan in the debates, he's always the dumb fuk who doesn't use logic and tries to rev up the opposing speakers.
DESPITE BEING ONLY 13%
It's more like 3%, as only half are male, and only the youngest men are doing the crime.
cmonBruh
I really fucking hate ni
13/50
Haha, cool meme, my fellow MAGApedes. I'm a based black guy and don't understand it, can one of you deplorable amigos explain it to me? #winning
We should cherish this podcast. something like this will never happen again
Well it just happened last week
@@ineedzsleep link?
@@OliveOilFan They tried to discuss new twitch TOS but it was very scuffed, xqc was late...etc. Plus Adin and Destiny started going at each other and it got really bad by the end
@@ineedzsleep Link?
@@OliveOilFan I was on my phone, just click the fucking channel and its the most recent video. Stop being a lazy fuck
sargon: i'm gonna say the N word
trainwrecks: hahahahaha monkaW
its just a word
@@xxxkurakoxxx3000
Yep, and nothing stops you from saying it.
XxXincomXxX pa weł words have meanings and histories. Also some words are bannable in twitch
@@xxxkurakoxxx3000 of course it's just a word 4Head
it's like when you invite your friends over to party at your house and at some point they start breaking your glasses and plates on the wall for the lulz, it's cool as long as it's not in your own house amiright?
@@BattousaiHBr did you equate the destruction of property with a word?
half of me is like can u ppl just shut up and let others finish and not ad hom
but the hedonistic half of me lives for bloodsports and the chaos of it all
Some times it’s necessary when someone says something extremely wrong
Destiny is embarrassed by Hassan lol
Neoliberals and Socialists don't get along very well, ya know...
@@AdaEditing Neither do idiots and smart people.
Destiny is immune to secondhand embarrassment, it’s chill
@@FallbackNkillEm I don't care that right wing people are snowflakes when it comes to 9/11, but don't say you stand against deplatforming political commentary if you're celebrating that Hassan got banned for saying generic edgy leftist stuff.
@@caiuscosades362 Not even defending anyone. But can't i be sad that someone is getting deplatformed and happy a leftist is getting fucked? Can't i also, if i thought, like a lot of rightwingers think, that leftist get a free pass, that then it's a *better* thing that at least both sides are getting fucked now? Or that it's closer to that now that one of them got fucked? Even though the *best* thing would be for nobody to get fucked? And all of that could be true without caring for 911.
Nick w
huge nick L
1:20:29 Trainwrecks and Nick look at each other and nod
Lmfao glitch in the matrix
" yeah, you abandoned your kid " my sides are in orbit. Kek
1:52:50
@@jimmybags6598 🙏
Nick Fuentes is the man and funny
Tbh I think Destiny would have been better off 1v2. He's right about how Hasan tends to talk past his opponents in order to get to his talking points, and it ends up making him and his positions look bad.
Yeah i dont really think sargon and nick were on the same side, they were just tryna be civil and shared a few basic talking points. Aside from some of nicks "muh inter racial kissin" stuff, neither of them were generally arguing for too many extreme viewpoints. That said, i havent finished yet, but id love to see these three, and maybe a fullblooded libertarian of some sort sit down in a proper no teams debate, with actual moderators on par with these lads. Hasaan honestly mostly just got incredulous and tried to insult people, and the soyfather doesnt really handle ad homs well and kinda just gets buthurt rather than sticking with his original point
@@bytheburnside7539 Nick is basically a theocratic authoritarian, I do not see how his ideal world is different from Saudi Arabia or Iran, he only changes Islam with catholicism
I don't think Hasan is stupid, I think he's pretty intelligent. The issue is, yeah, he just talks past people and doesn't seem to great at debates in general.
@@mangus3433 nah Destiny's content and arguments are great, just maybe not so in this debate. Imo everyone here said really retarded shit
Hasan is an idiot and destiny is quick on his feet, but he had some scary point of views in this particular podcast.
literally 3 years later and this podcast still slaps
To be honest I don't think it was that great at all. I think Destiny, is usually a better debater than Fuentes, and now the most reasonable and good faith political pundit on RUclips and twitch etc but he was really bad, in this debate. Multiple times, he wasn't able to follow the oppositions point, such as their points about Hollywood, and Nicks point about people being made outcasts, such as James Watson, for even making passing comments, that are only controversial, because of the position the left are in. Hasan was just as terrible as he is today, but Destiny is a lot. lot better now. It would be be interesting to see Fuentes and Sargon, vs Destiny and someone else other than Hasan again, because I think it would be a lot better this time. I think Asmongold did a good job though, so they should bring him back.
@@thepubquiz3198 ya know nick totally sugar-coated his position? He's an out and out nazi by his own admission. "Jews are dangerous" "women shouldn't have the right to vote or be equal to men"
"We need to reinstall trump and never have another election and force people to believe what we believe"
@@thepubquiz3198 Destiny has never been a better debater than Nick Fuentes. People talk about how bad Nick Fuentes is all the time but whenever he has a chance to speak for himself he is always able to put himself on a better level overall. Whether or not you agree with Nick Fuentes he seems to just be a more likable guy whenever he appears anywhere. Destiny and Hasan just looked like assholes this whole time. And they were mostly assholes to Sargon rather than Nick Fuentes despite Sargon speaking very respectfully even if the points he was making were significantly worst than Nick's. All in all it was not a good look for the two leftists on here and it seems as if Nick Fuentes and Asmongold were the only winners here.
@@getass3290 by what measure is nick Fuentes good/better than anyone at debating?
@@evanwalker1320 By what measure? What are even asking for? There isn’t some fucking measurement or statistic on how good someone is at debating. You should be able to watch and objectively say if someone is better at speaking without letting the fact that you disagree with what they’re saying get in the way. Clearly you are incapable of that.
I'd like to see Destiny and Ben Shapiro fight over a shekel.
Destiny wins if they fight over a peso
@Mordaci Stewart Maybe now, but that's because you haven't done your research on the golden age of Islam or you're purposefully ignoring all the extremely violent societies created by christians in the past.
I
Spoiler Alert: Both Lose
@Mordaci Stewart Yeah, like there are no majority white shithole countries in eastern Europe and Russia whatever you say m8.
Why does HazanAbi have a pizza on his shirt? Pizzagate confirmed.
He does enjoy doing business with terrorist infrastructures lol wouldnt surprise me
@@chrisskinner7554 wat
@bricksquadbrad How are TYT terrorists???
@@tiagomd3811 I think they did a video with Al Jazeera once and right wingers have been freaking out over it ever since.
@@idrislamont1064 Al Jazeera is a media network not a terrorist organization lol. Conservatives are braindead
"Transgender people are not able to serve in to the military."
Chat: PogU
i think he actually later said he doesnt believe transgenders exist
Rook by what metric?
PogU WTF
Looks like I’m now trans
@@carrier2823 I was in the marines so every marine has to hike weight and women just cant, throw 100lbs on even a really in shape woman and she will collapse after the first few miles, and then the men have to hike her weight, it's sad, transgenders were just trying to get free transition surgery through medical and would always be making appointments and not actually working helping or contributing, it was a shit show all around
every point destiny and hassan made in this debate has aged so poorly 😂😂😂
Yeah Hasan is easily the worst debate partner in Destiny's portfolio 😬
I just made a similar point in another comment. Everything these libtards say ages badly or proves to be wrong and incorrect.
These kind of libtards get into power and are the ones destroying the culture and society of the western world.
Big shock
I want to meet the person who unironically thinks Hasan was a pivotal part of this discussion.
Servust XD that made my night I died.
@@Servust nah man, with being a Hasan fan who uploads Roblox playthroughs, you've done enough to yourself.
@@internetexplorer1593 How does that change anything? My Roblox playthroughs are top-notch content on all of youtube. Also I fucking hate TYT and Hasan but I do think he added something to the discussion.
Gotta have a far leftist to counter far right Nick Fuentes I suppose
@@Servust His points are entry level marxism, at best. He doesn't have his own original takes, and he derailed the conversation multiple times to bring it down to his level, so that he could say something remotely relevant. He contributed nothing, and actually did more harm to this discussion than good.
Asmongold in a perpetual state of confusion
I don't know, I think he's just being very thoughtful of what people are saying.
Hahaha
So lazy to take one of the top comments and re-word them for likes
@@MarsLonsen you mad?
@@wzg8804 nope
These four low key represent the political compass
its not ordered right on the screen i wish it was hasan on the far left then destiny then sargon then nick on the far right
@@baldoggie Agreed lol
@@baldoggie its more of "Destiny Bottom Left, Sargon Bottom Right, Nick Top Right, Hasan Top Left" (Hasan and Destiny may be switched, Im only a few minutes in and "socialist" can mean many different things these days since people dont know it is the start of communism)
@@jeremiahfyan bruh i was talking about a linear scale, also hasan is defiantly further left than destiny.
@@baldoggie ye but linear scale isnt an accurate representation of political+economic beliefs