These guys were the unsung heroes of the war against Sauron. They managed to hold the line until dawn, long enough for reinforcements to arrive before Minas Tirith fell.
@@Vikingr4Jesus5919 I’m saying that Minas Tirith would have fallen before reinforcements arrived if the garrison at Osgiliath didn’t fight so heroically. They delayed Mordor’s advance and bought just enough time for the Rohirrim and Aragorn to save the city.
@@timovangalen1589 Oh, you meant "They delayed the enemy, allowing Minas Tirith to be reinforced lest it would fall."? It is just that by your choice of words, it suggests Minas Tirith fell anyway even after the reinforcements arrived.
Too bad the movies couldn't have bothered to show them getting a single kill. How are Gondorian solders so easily bested by run of the mill Mordor orcs with crude weapons and armor
I always thought they made the Gondorians look too weak in this movie but I also like the subtle details like how despite being outnumbered they held out until morning
It works to up the anté so to speak. I would have disliked the movie’s choice to portray Gondor so weak if it was only for that though. But I think it was forgivable since it also showed fatigue setting in. Gondor has been repelling Sauron’s advance for years now. To stand alone on the frontline for so long against the relentless and seemingly unending swarm of Mordor makes Gondor a badass in my book.
@@imperialtrooper927 Unless by one of the best you mean one of 2000, but if you shrink a total of the best to top 200, LOTR movies won't make it. Art of Cinema is a little bit more about than epic fantasy battles, cinematic views of Nature and ... and. Well, here it dries up. Now, for wooden acting, dialogs, almost entirely made by one liners, sword and magic genre cliches, stereotypical one sided characters it won't make any awards.
@@alicaramba7680 Sure it does, not solely by awards garnered, it was also well received across halfway across the world and it's impact was felt to this day in fantasy media. The closest thing that comes close to it that's the first to pop up in my head is Star wars and Marvels, which shares the same influence in terms of reception, until the Sequels for Star Wars happened, while Marvels is in a rough patch after Infinity War
I love the bit where Harvey Weinstein says 'the age of men is over. The time of the orc has come.' He's honestly not given enough credit for that performance 👏🏼.
@@BigBWolf90to burn like the brightest star. achieve high success and die just as fast. he wins in the end because his name will forever be remembered
That's not Harvey cmon bro. 🙄 He comes in later in the movie pushing one of the siege towers. Gandalf points him out so people can shoot him with arrows.
I can't believe Faramir held Osgiliath for the entire night. Fucking boss I love how the humans in this battle use everything to their advantage to even the odds. When the sentry got shot, they silently got to their positions. The Orcs thought that the Gondorians were still oblivious, and fell right into the trap. Excellent strategy.
He would have held it longer if set fire to the rafts while they are crossing instead on letting them get their forces on land. My god half his troops were rangers meaning archers and guerrilla fighters yet he chooses to fight a melee.
@@marcusisgod2592 The rafts are like 2 minutes from landing in what world do they have time to set them on fire? Rangers are equally capable of fighting with swords and archers aren't very useful at night in close quarters. I'm glad they didn't leave the tactics up to you
@@VelvetMagician in the extended edition it shows they spot the orca after they kill a watchmen and it would at least fifteen minutes to get the men in position for his hide behind the pillar strategy. They had time.
They had bad strategy. They hid behind pillars, allowing orcs to get inside the city before they started fighting back, also enclosing them on both sides by orcs. They should've held a defensive position at the rafts, stopping the orcs from being able to disembark and fight properly on land, and preventing them from using their overwhelming numbers on them by using the cities natural defensives. Hiding behind the pillars and allowing orcs to be on both flanks is a dumb idea
This extended scene does justice to the Gondor army. In the theatrical release, it only briefly shows the battle until Faramir and his men retreat to the keep. However, this version portrays how long they fought the enemy, even when outnumbered. From night until early morning, Faramir’s men fought valiantly. They might have held out even longer if the watchmen had spotted those approaching orcs-they were carrying torches, after all.
The actual attack shown in the extended version of the film is identical to the theatrical lol. The only bit added is the sentry taking an arrow and the brief dialogue between Faramir and Madril. Other than that, they're literally the same.
@@SamFisher007 Yes, you are right! The battle is 100% the same in both the theatrical cut and the extended version 😸 I don't know what he is smoking or hallucinating 🤣
@@SamFisher007 and you can see why they cut that. An arrow going through solid plate armor then the rest of the amry doing fuck all while the orcs are sitting ducks in the boats lol
While it appeared the soldiers of Gondor were “weak” from the way the orcs were winning against them, but given how they managed to hold Osgiliath for however many days it was, is something truly noteworthy on their part. Facing waves upon waves of orcs with no signs of help from Minas Tirith can drastically way down on the moral of the men, especially how they fought against the invasion of orcs all night into the morning.
Middle Earth’s answer to Dunkirk. Although at least Churchill didn’t send what was left of the BEF and Belgian and French Armies back across the channel on a suicidal mission to recapture the whole of France singlehandedly.
Though many of the rescued French forces chose to go back to France after the French surrender rather than stay and fight with De Gaulle and the Free French
There was a contingent of French soldiers that held the line so that the evacuation of the expeditionary force could happen. It's pretty much identical to the point of holding Osgiliath. Gondor increased her garrison by about 40% because of it.
To all who say tje Gondorians look weak. You have to look beside the makn focus and also see split frames. Several Orcs get speared hit or outright killed. It is simply more noticeable for us if a human dies in Front of the screen. The same goes for Minas Tirith. Ehile in Reality it would have been cool to see dunedain wreckibg up impressive kill streaks. The reality if the medium is that you have very little time to display exhaustion anguish and despair. I think this is still brilliantly handled with very few shots, while not making the Gondorians fully incompetent.
I'm no strategist/tactician, but wouldn't it have been better for the Gondorians to attack the orcs BEFORE they managed to land? That way the landing parties are hindered by the water and the boat exits act like funnels? That sneak attack method gave the orcs a bit too much space to maneuver.
according to the movie there are only 4000 gondorian soldiers and they are against 200.000 orcs...no matter how good is your strategy you'll be overwhelmed by their numbers
@@CommanderBacara still 4000 troops firing arrows at the 200,000 approaching enemy on boats would deal some heavy damage. It would lessen the number of enemy you have to face in close combat, hence raising your chance of winning by 0.1% lol. As people says, every little help
@ttn20101 there is less than 1000 soldiers stationed in osgiliath...most of them still in minas tirith...also this is a surprise attack and they didn't expect orcs to attack this way
@@CommanderBacara Oh yeah, fair point. But if you had no intentions of retreating, then finding better battle tactics would be better no? I'm just wondering if it was really okay for them to just do that tactic in the movie.
Tbf, the majority of the scenes we see in this battle was in the middle and late stages of fighting, the Gondorians at that point should be exhausted and overwhelmed by the Orcs
@@The_SmorgMan I dont doubt Osgiliath was toast but in every fight scene, even in Minas Tirith, the humans are always being bowled over like a freight train vs a puppy. Hard to believe they won at all with how easily they are shown folding in the movie
One thing I didn’t like was how Gondor was always shown to be quite weak. These are descendants of Numenor yet the film makes them to be incompetent. From Denethor and to a lesser degree Faramir, right to random soldiers
@ Gondor at its weakest was probably in the second millennium of the 3rd age after the Great Plague, Kin-Strife and eventual loss of the Kings but it had been doing fairly well under the Stewards, even when Denethor’s rule was mostly overshadowed by Sauron gaining power. The Army of the Dead coming to the aid of Minas Tirith instead of the southern Gondorians cut off by the Corsairs was an example of weakening Gondor in the films, the complete emission of Prince Imrahil and the Swan Knights, the portrayal of the extremely competent Faramir and also Denethor are just the examples. Gondor may be ‘weak’ as in beat down by war and it isn’t what it used to be but it’s still stronger than Rohan yet Rohan gets its moments in the film, Gondor is just far too weak
@@Hannah-hq8ne Oof. Omission, not emission. The emission of Imrahil would be... Imrahil's fart. Gondor had 2000 in the guard, 1200 with Imrahil, and another 1600 from the southern fiefs. Aragorn brought 1000 from the fiefs. I recall that the fiefs retained garrisons because of Umbar's raiding parties, but in this battle, Rohan did have slightly more than Gondor - 6000 horse to Gondor's 5000 soldiers. (Mordor sent 20,000 orcs, 18.000 Haradrim, and about 7000 from Rhun and Khand, so at least the visible ratio of one side to the other seems about right to me) That being said, I think they just didn't really have the acting right - they did seem more caught by surprise, rather than exhausted. The soldier that gets shot did look incompetent rather than tired.
@@itsglennn weak as a state, but man for man Gondor has the best army in the world, experienced battle hardened veterans with heavy plate armour, for them to lose a battle they'd have to be outnumbered multiple times over, but 1 orc vs 1 gondor soldiers the orc would be slaughtered
Many people point out that the Gondorian soldier shouldn't have died from an arrow to the chest plate. But there's a good explanation for this. There are many factors why he could've realistically ended up dead from that shot: - This is fantasy. This means, magical arrows and bows exist. Magical, meaning capable of having effects that transcend our real world physics. And it's not Jackson's headcanon. Even in the books, there were some weapons that were totally ineffective against some types of armor (for example, Boromir's two handed sword strike bounced off from the trolls leg which was covered in "either scale armor or his own skin with scales", while Frodo's tiny "Sting" knife penetrated it like thru butter, even though Boromir probably had like 10 times Frodo's kinetic energy behind his swing). - Alright, but why would a random orc carry a magical arrow though? Well LOTR books frequently mention that weapons that orcs carry are often cursed and poisonous. And for Jacksonverse specifically, it was even established in the Hobbit that "random orcs" can carry arrows that have basically the same effect as the freakin dagger of the Witchking himself. Yes, even random orcs can carry very powerful magical weapons. And this one was not random either. He was the scout prepared to instantly kill any soldier that might've seen them on the command of Gothmog himself, the grand general of Sauron's entire army. It seems pretty obvious that an orc with a job this important, and an aim so good (perfect shot in the heart in total darkness) would carry magical arrows that can easily pierce through standard Gondorian armor. - The range is very close. If you've ever shot a bow, or any ranged weapon for that matter, you'd know that an arrow carries the most force at shorter distances. You can't shoot from too close a range because the arrow needs to stabilize, which happens after it covers about 4 meters of distance. After that, for every extra meter it travels, it loses some force. This was a VERY close shot, which adds realism to it penetrating a steel armor. If this was an arrow shot by an orc from like 100 meters+ and on top of the wall from the very bottom, this kind of penetration would really look unrealistic. But for an almost direct shot like this, it seems totally plausible even without magic being involved - IF we assume that the Gondorian armor for common guards is not very thick, and the metal is not of high quality when compared to the tip of the arrow. And all of those factors COULD potentially be in play too, considering Gondor is supposed to be a fallen nation, and this is a personal archer of Gothmog we're talking about. - The angle was perfect. Even with magic involved and the distance being this close, the armor probably still WOULD have been effective in DEFLECTING an arrow, if it wasn't for perfect angle. If you look closely at the soldier, you'll see that the arrow was sticking out of his chest at a basically perfect straight angle. Once again, kudos to Gothmog's archer, because with the difference of height, darkness and lack of time to properly aim all being factors, this shot being delivered at this angle is ensuring maximum damage output and making it even more realistic that the chest plate did not hold up. - Perhaps the arrow didn't actually kill the guy anyway. Yes, if you look closely, it doesn't seem like the arrow - despite everything I said above - really did make it very deep. The soldier might have not died from the arrow. The scene where he gets hit only shows us that he cringes from pain and falls, which could've happen even with a superficial wound, simply because of the force of the shot, which would push him down the structure. And then, this guy fell down a stone tower from a higher position. He could've easily been killed by the fall, not the arrow.
@@RustyShackleford-s4s Everything in every movie ever happens because the script says so. Hardly any real insight here bruh. I made the post because lots of people say what happened here is bullshit, and I'm pointing out the reasons why it's not necessarily the case.
@@mitromney i just mean that you're really overthinking things, the director didn't think about it, I'd wager. Honestly my comment has more insight than yours because it actually happened. You're lost.
Dude, you can't skip over the lighting of the beacons! That's the best part of the whole trilogy! And why change up the music? It was already perfection!
I always loved that one soldier at 2:45 who clocks that orc. That's kinda how most fights with an orc would go, as great as the movies were they did the Gondorians dirty by making them seem so weak. (orcs were smaller and weaker than a regular human, much less a trained Gondor soldier.)
I mean it looks like it hits a weak point in the armor at the shoulder. Not really ridiculous, I mean this isn't HBO levels of ridiculous where people are getting a broadsword through mail at least this makes sense
@ttn20101 from the first angle it looked like it hit at a joint in the shoulder & depending on the arrowhead, like a bodkin point, can penetrate plate armor albeit it probably won't be very deep or lethal. Now when he fell it was definitely center off the upper chest so...yeah
Although its fiction I really hated Denethor. A father who hates his son and later on want to commit suicide together. I was glad Faramir was saved and Denethor died
Don't judge him too harshly, he was hooked on the Palantir and Sauron influence. Look what doing that did to Saruman, a much mightier being. Denethor was mad rather than bad in the end.
in the book hes actually rather likable, hes insanely strong willed and a good leader, hes one of the only men alive (even powerful elves would fail) who can look into the palantir and face souron without destroying his mind, its only after the death of his son that his heart and brain waiver and souron is able to poison his mind through the palantir and make him think all hope is lost which is why he then becomes completely incompetent at ruling
gondorian armor is so heavy against orc who wear robe and armor chain, they move faster and their light weapon swing easily and faster to just knock their head and stab
Imagine holding out against vastly superior forces for 12 or more hours, barely escaping with your life and a small group of comrades, only to be ordered to charge back out into the horde by your batshit crazy father. Faramir had it rough, man.
I love these movies, but the tactics used by both Gondor and Rohan are always odd to me. If you know they are coming, you should use every second to fire arrows, at the very least hold them at the water where they are at a disadvantage, not let some pass just to have them behind your backs... not to mention the fight would be more even until number wins it for the orcs, but in the movies you always see Gondorians die in larger numbers... I get it was done to show the grim situation, but it always pisses me off. Makes the movies only 99,9% perfect :p
1. they didn't expect orc to pass this path 2. even thou gondorians have more arrows...orcs would keep coming over and over until you run out of arrow 3. quite possible if they already out of arrow 4. this a surprise attack...to shoot an arrow you need a good position and stay still...how are you gonna do that if you're not prepared?
@@CommanderBacara Dude, every arrow shot, even if in small number, would still be a potential kill before melee. And they later show to have arrows, in this very clip! They should have mounted elevated positions as soon as they seen that guy die...
@@filips.6482 sure they have...but is it enough? there is about hundred thousand orc coming to osgiliath and you only have less than 1000 gondorian soldiers...their only problem is numbers...even if you have good quality soldier and better equipment it would be useless against sheer number of orcs...this is why they pulled deus ex machina like ghost army to wipe out those orcs completely
@@CommanderBacara 20,000 orcs perhaps. Sauron had over 50,000 all told. It was roughly 5-10 to 1, not 100 to 1. (Admittedly that's all estimation, but there were 6,000 in rohan's army, and there were "three times their number" of Haradrim in Sauron's army. If there were more than say, 30,000 orcs, the Haradrim, Rhun, Khand etc. would have been more of an afterthought. I'm going with what the Middle Earth Atlas, the geekiest thing I will ever own, says is most likely. There were said to be 'less than 3000' in the outcompanies of Gondor, and Osgiliath would certainly not have had more than the entirety of the rest of Gondor. Not to mention that at this point they would have lost a lot of soldiers already.
The book version of Faramir is better but you can’t deny that he is still a beast in battle and a good tactician being able to hold out the whole night even though they were outnumbered
Nice to see a little more characterization for both Denethor and Faramir in the extended edition. I thought the theatrical cuts did them both a great disservice.
while i like the subtlety of it turning from night to day showing theyve been fighting for hours, i wish we saw more of gondor soldiers actually slaughtering the orcs, at this point in time, man for man gondor is the most effective fighting force in the world, with well crafted heavy armour and constant battle experience, 1 orc vs 1 gondor soldier shouldnt be a question, the orc would be slaughtered with ease, its essentially only with numbers that the orcs win
That looked like a bodkin arrow. It was designed to pierce armor (mainly mail armor) and, at close range (the range here would be considered close range), historical accounts do have them piercing plate armor.
@@HopScopCo Through mail definitely, mail would just slow the arrow down, but I think more importantly it's a short bow. Bodkin was only able to penetrate at 'point blank' range, not just close range, and that's with a war bow. Not that it matters.
Hitting a weak point in the armor isn't "going through it like butter" this isn't HBO where someone is gonna get a broadsword stabbed clear through mail
You have to look cool man. If I were a Gondorian soldier going into battle and given a choice of a cool ass armour made out of paper or a plain looking brown cotton shirt and trousers….I choose the paper armour
I guess they couldn't keep the PG rating with an arrow in his neck 😂 For the most part the armoured guys we do see go down are being hit by clubs and axes, which makes sense. Getting hit square in the chest might not kill you but good luck fighting with cracked ribs.
Ngl i thought Lord denethor however u spell his name. I thought he was sitting on the Throne of Gondor cause it was empty but those stairs rests the throne of Gondor That chair hes sitting on is the Stewards Throne
They completely and utterly ruined the character in the movies. Denethor is hands down one of the bravest men in middle earths history and challenged sauron for decades using the palantir, organized the strongest defense mortally possible and only JUST started to lose his sanity adter over 3 decades of ruthless resilience whereas the movie denethor is a straight up insult to the character in every single way possible
@@nekogaming5300Tbh, I’ve always understood why they changed Denethor in the films (unlike Faramir, unnecessary change there). They likely didn’t have enough time to dedicate to a more minor character with Denethor’s complexities so even though I think they portrayed him poorly, I get why but I also think just a scene of him with the Palantir would’ve done so much explanation as to why he is like he is
Serious question. This was primarily a melee battle and Faramir ambushed the orcs AFTER they unloaded from the ships. Wouldn't it make more sense to block the dismount five men wide five rows long, taking turns as they fight the orcs back onto the ship? It'd be a classic funneling move neutralizing the orcs' greater numbers. Yes I know this was a hastily improvised defense from an unforeseen angle. They did have a few archers though.
would of had to train the men to do that. and they all would have had to coordinate and do it in the space of like 5 mins it was very unlikely to be done. Tolkien would of been aware of such things as a army veteran.
@kieranforde3787 They did kinda achieve dividing the orc forces by cutting off a small number and interrupting the stream. Alas they were just too many.
If there is one thing that annoys me about the LOTR movies, it would be that armour does not protect. Seeing plate armour not only NOT deflect an arrow but being penetrated is just so very bad.
The trilogy is almost a perfect masterpiece for me. There are only two things I hate about this movie. 1. Making the dunedains and gondorians look clumsy and weak in battle. 2. Over exaggerating the height of the Balrog, and making it look like a classical kaiju.
That tiny orc bow penetrated plate armor? Probably not. Risky to let some orcs go by, they might turn back. Safer to not let them through the passage. Hard to tell, but it looks like the Gondorians are not really using their position to limit the number of orcs they have to fight at once.
Simple fact, that Faramir held this fort as well as harassed enemy forces with only the men he had, shows quality of his knights and rangers- yes orcs overwhelmed them finally, but that was done with big fuck off army- i dare any of you to fight more than one guy, even if you outclass others in skill...- and they still held those bastards off for MONTHS, and held off this big army throughout the night. By themselves. Boromir would've be proud of his younger brother, and surely would tell him, that his surpassed him as a knight and as a commander
I Love LotR. but everytime i watch this fight, im confused why Faramir and his guys dont Shoot a single arrow as soon as they know they are coming? They are Archers no? they have some Walls/stuff to get high ground. they are outnumbered so why dont take some orc out with some arrows? maybe i missed something :o
So why did Faramir not have his archers* target all the boats with a shit ton of arrows, nearest boats first, killing most of the occupants so that only stragglers could make it ashore? Instead he let a numerically superior force land and they got whacked. * He had tons or archers as we saw in the attack he made on the Southrons which Frodo and Sam witnessed.
should have had his archers mow them down as they come off the boats like the germans did on dday, you see how effective they are later on when faramir is being chased and turns the corner into like 8 of his archers who wipe out the group of orcs behind him
Create a wall of spears on the beachhead and fire arrows on them while they try land. And get rid of the armor, it cant resist even the blunt orcish arrow.
It was a bodkin arrow, so not blunt, designed to penetrate plate armor. Also orcs have been known to carry “magical” poison arrows and since that scout had the job to kill any sentry it was likely he was better equipped than your average orc archer. Still, the arrow probably didn’t pierce that deep, and it was the fall that likely killed him
I don’t understand what Faramir was hoping to achieve with a makeshift ambush here. Surely if they were outnumbered it would have been better to concentrate fire on the boats and bottleneck the Orcs whilst they attempted to land?
I'll still always be confused why Gandalf decided to take Pippin with him when he went out to chase off the Nazgul. He couldn't have just told him "Wait here. I'll be right back in 2 mins."?
The movie portrayed a bit differently from the books. In the book, gandalf and pippin just arrived at minas tirith from edoras as osgiliath was invaded, hence they rode together.
Because Pippin look into the Plantir that Gandalf wrap, and saw an image of Minas Tirith being destroyed so Gandalf took Pippin there to confirm it since Pippin does not know the name of the city but the image he saw
They would've still won this if they choked them on the landing wih spear walls. Would've held the others from disembarking and pushed them back to the boats. The ruins made good funnels too.
No way they would ever win. It was like 1000 vs well over 50,000, plus eventually the orcs repaired the bridge and crossed over to the other side meaning no matter how well they held the shore they would lose
Poor defence, they could have set up a great deal more area denial tactics like caltrops or stakes on the riverbank, one wonders if these troops were just incompetent or under resourced. Someone correct me please.
The only thing that bug me about this whole scene is that Faramir has a bunch of Ithilien Rangers with him. Yet, I don’t remember seeing any of them firing a single arrow at the approaching Orcs? I mean the hell man? The whole point of bow and arrows is that you weaken the enemies, taking out as many as you can before they reach close combat range
@@ttn20101 Ok, I think Faramir decided they simply did not have the time to prepare for it. They had planned covertly ambush with swords as rapid response all along the line. Remember its a long line the orcs are attacking on.. but it would have been cool to see some shield formations or rangers shooting at the orcs from towers
I don't think that first arrow should have killed him. He has a steel cuirass over chainmail and that orc arrow was shot up hill from an orc bow... Hit him in the eye maybe :(
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These guys were the unsung heroes of the war against Sauron. They managed to hold the line until dawn, long enough for reinforcements to arrive before Minas Tirith fell.
Uh, Minas Tirith didn't fall. Do you mean Osgiliath?
@@Vikingr4Jesus5919 I’m saying that Minas Tirith would have fallen before reinforcements arrived if the garrison at Osgiliath didn’t fight so heroically. They delayed Mordor’s advance and bought just enough time for the Rohirrim and Aragorn to save the city.
@@timovangalen1589 Oh, you meant
"They delayed the enemy, allowing Minas Tirith to be reinforced lest it would fall."?
It is just that by your choice of words, it suggests Minas Tirith fell anyway even after the reinforcements arrived.
@Vikingr4Jesus5919 Jesus christ why bro. I knew what he meant. Others knew what he meant. It wasn't unclear. Why you being weird.
Too bad the movies couldn't have bothered to show them getting a single kill.
How are Gondorian solders so easily bested by run of the mill Mordor orcs with crude weapons and armor
I always thought they made the Gondorians look too weak in this movie but I also like the subtle details like how despite being outnumbered they held out until morning
Yeah, I never got why the Gondorian heavy infantry looked so clumsy
Just like the French when they overwhelmed by the Deutsch/Germans crossing the border
@@kwameundead2359the Gondorian heavy infantry are clumsy probably due to their bloody heavy armor
@@christophermichaelclarence6003Ahhh, the age old crap myth that armor made by humans for humans who trained for years in said armor is clumsy.
It works to up the anté so to speak. I would have disliked the movie’s choice to portray Gondor so weak if it was only for that though. But I think it was forgivable since it also showed fatigue setting in. Gondor has been repelling Sauron’s advance for years now. To stand alone on the frontline for so long against the relentless and seemingly unending swarm of Mordor makes Gondor a badass in my book.
They will never be able to top the stellar quality of this trilogy. Those movies are the very peak of cinema mastery.
Nope.
Wilhelm scream: "Allow me to introduce myself."
@@alicaramba7680 Yes. Gained worldwide recognition, and still hailed today as one of the best movies out there
@@imperialtrooper927 Unless by one of the best you mean one of 2000, but if you shrink a total of the best to top 200, LOTR movies won't make it. Art of Cinema is a little bit more about than epic fantasy battles, cinematic views of Nature and ... and. Well, here it dries up. Now, for wooden acting, dialogs, almost entirely made by one liners, sword and magic genre cliches, stereotypical one sided characters it won't make any awards.
@@alicaramba7680 Sure it does, not solely by awards garnered, it was also well received across halfway across the world and it's impact was felt to this day in fantasy media. The closest thing that comes close to it that's the first to pop up in my head is Star wars and Marvels, which shares the same influence in terms of reception, until the Sequels for Star Wars happened, while Marvels is in a rough patch after Infinity War
I love the bit where Harvey Weinstein says 'the age of men is over. The time of the orc has come.' He's honestly not given enough credit for that performance 👏🏼.
Peter really did capture Harvey's true essence
@@BigBWolf90to burn like the brightest star. achieve high success and die just as fast. he wins in the end because his name will forever be remembered
more like jeff bezos and his minions of lgbtq and islamofascist hordes
That's not Harvey cmon bro. 🙄
He comes in later in the movie pushing one of the siege towers.
Gandalf points him out so people can shoot him with arrows.
Lmao 😅
I can't believe Faramir held Osgiliath for the entire night. Fucking boss
I love how the humans in this battle use everything to their advantage to even the odds. When the sentry got shot, they silently got to their positions. The Orcs thought that the Gondorians were still oblivious, and fell right into the trap.
Excellent strategy.
He would have held it longer if set fire to the rafts while they are crossing instead on letting them get their forces on land. My god half his troops were rangers meaning archers and guerrilla fighters yet he chooses to fight a melee.
@@marcusisgod2592 The rafts are like 2 minutes from landing in what world do they have time to set them on fire? Rangers are equally capable of fighting with swords and archers aren't very useful at night in close quarters. I'm glad they didn't leave the tactics up to you
@@VelvetMagician in the extended edition it shows they spot the orca after they kill a watchmen and it would at least fifteen minutes to get the men in position for his hide behind the pillar strategy. They had time.
They had bad strategy. They hid behind pillars, allowing orcs to get inside the city before they started fighting back, also enclosing them on both sides by orcs. They should've held a defensive position at the rafts, stopping the orcs from being able to disembark and fight properly on land, and preventing them from using their overwhelming numbers on them by using the cities natural defensives. Hiding behind the pillars and allowing orcs to be on both flanks is a dumb idea
Boromir would have sorted these guys out in 2 hours.
This extended scene does justice to the Gondor army. In the theatrical release, it only briefly shows the battle until Faramir and his men retreat to the keep. However, this version portrays how long they fought the enemy, even when outnumbered. From night until early morning, Faramir’s men fought valiantly. They might have held out even longer if the watchmen had spotted those approaching orcs-they were carrying torches, after all.
The actual attack shown in the extended version of the film is identical to the theatrical lol. The only bit added is the sentry taking an arrow and the brief dialogue between Faramir and Madril. Other than that, they're literally the same.
@@SamFisher007 Yes, you are right! The battle is 100% the same in both the theatrical cut and the extended version 😸 I don't know what he is smoking or hallucinating 🤣
@@SamFisher007 and you can see why they cut that. An arrow going through solid plate armor then the rest of the amry doing fuck all while the orcs are sitting ducks in the boats lol
Didn't think I'd shed some tears at the thought of Gandalf and Pippin realizing that Frodo and Sam were alive... This trilogy is simply the best!
Fine. I'll watch the extended edition again.
Extended edition is the only way to watch LOTR.
Look at that armor in the thumbnail. The effects department done a brilliant job on these movies.
Yes, including the fact that it was made of paper, canonically. Must have been so, for an arrow to go straight through it.
compare to Rings of power! man they had better art and craft
@@keikun145 yea lotr is made by new zealanders who absolutely loved tolkien's work and not just some office goblins
I’ve been to the forges in Wellington they made 100’s of suits of armor and weapons, unlike the CGI and 3D printing in RoP.
@@TheUberjammer That was kind of silly, like why would they even wear armor if an arrow fired from an orcish short bow is able to easily pierce it?
While it appeared the soldiers of Gondor were “weak” from the way the orcs were winning against them, but given how they managed to hold Osgiliath for however many days it was, is something truly noteworthy on their part. Facing waves upon waves of orcs with no signs of help from Minas Tirith can drastically way down on the moral of the men, especially how they fought against the invasion of orcs all night into the morning.
they were absolutely tired also
I believe the soldier handing out weapons in 1:35 is Tolkien's great granson!
I love those stealth torches on the sneaking landing ships. Very clever.
I was thinking the same thing. Magic lights that cannot be seen by humans, and magic arrows that can reliably penetrate full plate.
Middle Earth’s answer to Dunkirk. Although at least Churchill didn’t send what was left of the BEF and Belgian and French Armies back across the channel on a suicidal mission to recapture the whole of France singlehandedly.
Though many of the rescued French forces chose to go back to France after the French surrender rather than stay and fight with De Gaulle and the Free French
There was a contingent of French soldiers that held the line so that the evacuation of the expeditionary force could happen. It's pretty much identical to the point of holding Osgiliath. Gondor increased her garrison by about 40% because of it.
Better example is Galiopli which is what JRR Tolkien based the failed campaign on. Wwi not wwii
No he did not send any back. He just left his ally to its fate. Imagine Rohan did the same.
I thought it was more like the British paratroopers trying to hold Arnhem in A Bridge Too Far.
The quality of these movies is just outstanding
To all who say tje Gondorians look weak. You have to look beside the makn focus and also see split frames. Several Orcs get speared hit or outright killed. It is simply more noticeable for us if a human dies in Front of the screen. The same goes for Minas Tirith. Ehile in Reality it would have been cool to see dunedain wreckibg up impressive kill streaks. The reality if the medium is that you have very little time to display exhaustion anguish and despair. I think this is still brilliantly handled with very few shots, while not making the Gondorians fully incompetent.
reminder for the classic awesome shot at 6:10
right, beautiful shot, with the music, the practical effects, its all perfect. lord of the rings is what more movies need to be today.
Truly the City of Kings.
I like how the orcs had torches on their boats and nobody knew they were coming.
I'm no strategist/tactician, but wouldn't it have been better for the Gondorians to attack the orcs BEFORE they managed to land? That way the landing parties are hindered by the water and the boat exits act like funnels?
That sneak attack method gave the orcs a bit too much space to maneuver.
according to the movie there are only 4000 gondorian soldiers and they are against 200.000 orcs...no matter how good is your strategy you'll be overwhelmed by their numbers
@@CommanderBacara still 4000 troops firing arrows at the 200,000 approaching enemy on boats would deal some heavy damage. It would lessen the number of enemy you have to face in close combat, hence raising your chance of winning by 0.1% lol. As people says, every little help
@ttn20101 there is less than 1000 soldiers stationed in osgiliath...most of them still in minas tirith...also this is a surprise attack and they didn't expect orcs to attack this way
@@CommanderBacara Oh yeah, fair point. But if you had no intentions of retreating, then finding better battle tactics would be better no? I'm just wondering if it was really okay for them to just do that tactic in the movie.
TBH they didnt have enough men to defend the city but they held out
I love the orc with the didgeridoo noise 3:25
Yessss I first heard it in a theater 20 yrs ago and I was like godDAMN that’s great sound design. Wish we had more of that in LOTR media after
5:55 Majestic Art !
The whole trilogy is a MASTERPIECE.
The Gondorians should’ve been shown to be excellent warriors, not getting their fully armored asses beat up by a 5’3 pro with a club
Same with Stormtrooper armor. Many yrs into the future & still dies from freakin wooden metal tip arrows 😂
Right!? It woulda been cool to see them actually kicking some ass in a sword fight
Tbf, the majority of the scenes we see in this battle was in the middle and late stages of fighting, the Gondorians at that point should be exhausted and overwhelmed by the Orcs
@@CMDRFandragonand from a story perspective, endless orcs so everyone can be badass and still lose.
@@The_SmorgMan I dont doubt Osgiliath was toast but in every fight scene, even in Minas Tirith, the humans are always being bowled over like a freight train vs a puppy. Hard to believe they won at all with how easily they are shown folding in the movie
One thing I didn’t like was how Gondor was always shown to be quite weak. These are descendants of Numenor yet the film makes them to be incompetent. From Denethor and to a lesser degree Faramir, right to random soldiers
But wasn't this Gondor at its weakest?
@ Gondor at its weakest was probably in the second millennium of the 3rd age after the Great Plague, Kin-Strife and eventual loss of the Kings but it had been doing fairly well under the Stewards, even when Denethor’s rule was mostly overshadowed by Sauron gaining power. The Army of the Dead coming to the aid of Minas Tirith instead of the southern Gondorians cut off by the Corsairs was an example of weakening Gondor in the films, the complete emission of Prince Imrahil and the Swan Knights, the portrayal of the extremely competent Faramir and also Denethor are just the examples. Gondor may be ‘weak’ as in beat down by war and it isn’t what it used to be but it’s still stronger than Rohan yet Rohan gets its moments in the film, Gondor is just far too weak
@@Hannah-hq8ne Oof. Omission, not emission. The emission of Imrahil would be... Imrahil's fart.
Gondor had 2000 in the guard, 1200 with Imrahil, and another 1600 from the southern fiefs. Aragorn brought 1000 from the fiefs. I recall that the fiefs retained garrisons because of Umbar's raiding parties, but in this battle, Rohan did have slightly more than Gondor - 6000 horse to Gondor's 5000 soldiers. (Mordor sent 20,000 orcs, 18.000 Haradrim, and about 7000 from Rhun and Khand, so at least the visible ratio of one side to the other seems about right to me)
That being said, I think they just didn't really have the acting right - they did seem more caught by surprise, rather than exhausted. The soldier that gets shot did look incompetent rather than tired.
@@itsglennn weak as a state, but man for man Gondor has the best army in the world, experienced battle hardened veterans with heavy plate armour, for them to lose a battle they'd have to be outnumbered multiple times over, but 1 orc vs 1 gondor soldiers the orc would be slaughtered
Many people point out that the Gondorian soldier shouldn't have died from an arrow to the chest plate. But there's a good explanation for this. There are many factors why he could've realistically ended up dead from that shot:
- This is fantasy. This means, magical arrows and bows exist. Magical, meaning capable of having effects that transcend our real world physics. And it's not Jackson's headcanon. Even in the books, there were some weapons that were totally ineffective against some types of armor (for example, Boromir's two handed sword strike bounced off from the trolls leg which was covered in "either scale armor or his own skin with scales", while Frodo's tiny "Sting" knife penetrated it like thru butter, even though Boromir probably had like 10 times Frodo's kinetic energy behind his swing).
- Alright, but why would a random orc carry a magical arrow though? Well LOTR books frequently mention that weapons that orcs carry are often cursed and poisonous. And for Jacksonverse specifically, it was even established in the Hobbit that "random orcs" can carry arrows that have basically the same effect as the freakin dagger of the Witchking himself. Yes, even random orcs can carry very powerful magical weapons. And this one was not random either. He was the scout prepared to instantly kill any soldier that might've seen them on the command of Gothmog himself, the grand general of Sauron's entire army. It seems pretty obvious that an orc with a job this important, and an aim so good (perfect shot in the heart in total darkness) would carry magical arrows that can easily pierce through standard Gondorian armor.
- The range is very close. If you've ever shot a bow, or any ranged weapon for that matter, you'd know that an arrow carries the most force at shorter distances. You can't shoot from too close a range because the arrow needs to stabilize, which happens after it covers about 4 meters of distance. After that, for every extra meter it travels, it loses some force. This was a VERY close shot, which adds realism to it penetrating a steel armor. If this was an arrow shot by an orc from like 100 meters+ and on top of the wall from the very bottom, this kind of penetration would really look unrealistic. But for an almost direct shot like this, it seems totally plausible even without magic being involved - IF we assume that the Gondorian armor for common guards is not very thick, and the metal is not of high quality when compared to the tip of the arrow. And all of those factors COULD potentially be in play too, considering Gondor is supposed to be a fallen nation, and this is a personal archer of Gothmog we're talking about.
- The angle was perfect. Even with magic involved and the distance being this close, the armor probably still WOULD have been effective in DEFLECTING an arrow, if it wasn't for perfect angle. If you look closely at the soldier, you'll see that the arrow was sticking out of his chest at a basically perfect straight angle. Once again, kudos to Gothmog's archer, because with the difference of height, darkness and lack of time to properly aim all being factors, this shot being delivered at this angle is ensuring maximum damage output and making it even more realistic that the chest plate did not hold up.
- Perhaps the arrow didn't actually kill the guy anyway. Yes, if you look closely, it doesn't seem like the arrow - despite everything I said above - really did make it very deep. The soldier might have not died from the arrow. The scene where he gets hit only shows us that he cringes from pain and falls, which could've happen even with a superficial wound, simply because of the force of the shot, which would push him down the structure. And then, this guy fell down a stone tower from a higher position. He could've easily been killed by the fall, not the arrow.
nice
I think he died because the script said so
@@RustyShackleford-s4s Everything in every movie ever happens because the script says so. Hardly any real insight here bruh. I made the post because lots of people say what happened here is bullshit, and I'm pointing out the reasons why it's not necessarily the case.
Turkish bow could penetrate plate armor, why wouldn't orcish bow?
@@mitromney i just mean that you're really overthinking things, the director didn't think about it, I'd wager. Honestly my comment has more insight than yours because it actually happened. You're lost.
以前好奇為什麼人類陣營如此不堪一擊，但我現在終於了解，不是他們弱，而是他們已經精疲力竭了。畢竟連續打了好幾天的仗，而且從晚上打到白天肯定體力透支，加上獸人的數量實在太龐大，完全被壓垮！
哪你喜歡人類定獸人？
@西楚霸王項羽-x9w 並不是，只是以前的疑問已經釐清而已。
@@天霸統御者 我比較喜歡強獸人多個半獸人。強獸人不怕光，力大無窮。如果我是強獸人首領我一定會攻打精靈國捉晒啲女精靈做慰安婦
3:36 that orc must work for the WWE.
I wish Peter Jackson showed Gondor’s warrios (rangers especially) were top tier and were simply overwhelmed eventually the orc numbers
He kind of did
Dude, you can't skip over the lighting of the beacons! That's the best part of the whole trilogy! And why change up the music? It was already perfection!
I always loved that one soldier at 2:45 who clocks that orc.
That's kinda how most fights with an orc would go, as great as the movies were they did the Gondorians dirty by making them seem so weak. (orcs were smaller and weaker than a regular human, much less a trained Gondor soldier.)
They were overwhelmed, with no reinforcements and exausted and held until morning, i wouldn't call that weak.
An arrow from a short bow shot at an angle penetrating steel plate. I realize this if fantasy but come on.
Lmao bro relax
It’s the same as modern movies, guys hiding behind car doors absorbing 1000 rifle shots and they survive 😂
I mean it looks like it hits a weak point in the armor at the shoulder. Not really ridiculous, I mean this isn't HBO levels of ridiculous where people are getting a broadsword through mail at least this makes sense
@@BigBWolf90 na it definitely hit him in the chest, look like it pierced his heart so not a weak point
@ttn20101 from the first angle it looked like it hit at a joint in the shoulder & depending on the arrowhead, like a bodkin point, can penetrate plate armor albeit it probably won't be very deep or lethal. Now when he fell it was definitely center off the upper chest so...yeah
When archers are better in melee then the elite clad in armour swordsmen.
Although its fiction I really hated Denethor.
A father who hates his son and later on want to commit suicide together.
I was glad Faramir was saved and Denethor died
Don't judge him too harshly, he was hooked on the Palantir and Sauron influence. Look what doing that did to Saruman, a much mightier being. Denethor was mad rather than bad in the end.
in the book hes actually rather likable, hes insanely strong willed and a good leader, hes one of the only men alive (even powerful elves would fail) who can look into the palantir and face souron without destroying his mind, its only after the death of his son that his heart and brain waiver and souron is able to poison his mind through the palantir and make him think all hope is lost which is why he then becomes completely incompetent at ruling
It was because of his noble spirit that he was merely driven mad by the Palantir, instead of simply becoming Sauron's thrall.
gondorian armor is so heavy against orc who wear robe and armor chain, they move faster and their light weapon swing easily and faster to just knock their head and stab
Imagine holding out against vastly superior forces for 12 or more hours, barely escaping with your life and a small group of comrades, only to be ordered to charge back out into the horde by your batshit crazy father. Faramir had it rough, man.
Excellent acting by all
10x better than RINGS OF POWER
Wilhelm scream at 5:43
The films Achilles heel, if you will.
@@activatekruger446They also have it in the Battle of helms deep
The way gandalf staff emits the light to ward off the nazgul 🙏🏽
I love these movies, but the tactics used by both Gondor and Rohan are always odd to me. If you know they are coming, you should use every second to fire arrows, at the very least hold them at the water where they are at a disadvantage, not let some pass just to have them behind your backs... not to mention the fight would be more even until number wins it for the orcs, but in the movies you always see Gondorians die in larger numbers... I get it was done to show the grim situation, but it always pisses me off. Makes the movies only 99,9% perfect :p
1. they didn't expect orc to pass this path
2. even thou gondorians have more arrows...orcs would keep coming over and over until you run out of arrow
3. quite possible if they already out of arrow
4. this a surprise attack...to shoot an arrow you need a good position and stay still...how are you gonna do that if you're not prepared?
@@CommanderBacara Dude, every arrow shot, even if in small number, would still be a potential kill before melee. And they later show to have arrows, in this very clip! They should have mounted elevated positions as soon as they seen that guy die...
@@filips.6482 sure they have...but is it enough? there is about hundred thousand orc coming to osgiliath and you only have less than 1000 gondorian soldiers...their only problem is numbers...even if you have good quality soldier and better equipment it would be useless against sheer number of orcs...this is why they pulled deus ex machina like ghost army to wipe out those orcs completely
@ miał not saying it would save them, I am saying it would make more sense.
@@CommanderBacara 20,000 orcs perhaps. Sauron had over 50,000 all told. It was roughly 5-10 to 1, not 100 to 1. (Admittedly that's all estimation, but there were 6,000 in rohan's army, and there were "three times their number" of Haradrim in Sauron's army. If there were more than say, 30,000 orcs, the Haradrim, Rhun, Khand etc. would have been more of an afterthought.
I'm going with what the Middle Earth Atlas, the geekiest thing I will ever own, says is most likely. There were said to be 'less than 3000' in the outcompanies of Gondor, and Osgiliath would certainly not have had more than the entirety of the rest of Gondor. Not to mention that at this point they would have lost a lot of soldiers already.
I like how both sides are heavily armored and fighting to death
This channel is brilliant
Plate Armor, the best Decoration without any function :D
That orc bow to hit and to wound roll was chefs kiss 😂
They have torches in each boat and it was clear enough for an archer to hit the lookout and they came in unnoticed?
By the time they came through the heavy fog they were too close to
Even Denethor refused to believe that the One Ring drove Boromir mad and cost him his life. What a fool he was.
The book version of Faramir is better but you can’t deny that he is still a beast in battle and a good tactician being able to hold out the whole night even though they were outnumbered
Nice to see a little more characterization for both Denethor and Faramir in the extended edition. I thought the theatrical cuts did them both a great disservice.
while i like the subtlety of it turning from night to day showing theyve been fighting for hours, i wish we saw more of gondor soldiers actually slaughtering the orcs, at this point in time, man for man gondor is the most effective fighting force in the world, with well crafted heavy armour and constant battle experience, 1 orc vs 1 gondor soldier shouldnt be a question, the orc would be slaughtered with ease, its essentially only with numbers that the orcs win
Funny-the expression of that smaller orc when Gothmog spears the man on the floor.
1:15 man armor in Lord of the Rings is absolutely useless
That looked like a bodkin arrow. It was designed to pierce armor (mainly mail armor) and, at close range (the range here would be considered close range), historical accounts do have them piercing plate armor.
@@HopScopCo Should've been a Ranger who got shot
@@HopScopCo Through mail definitely, mail would just slow the arrow down, but I think more importantly it's a short bow. Bodkin was only able to penetrate at 'point blank' range, not just close range, and that's with a war bow. Not that it matters.
@@TheUberjammeralso the fall prob killed him not the arrow
Big ups to those guys who managed to keep up with the horses while they were just on foot all the way to Minas Tirith
Could have released volleys of arrows towards those orcs coming by boat.
One of the key moment is the retreat. The attack on the men fleeing by the nasgull must have break all hope.
I wish they showed the intimate part between Boromir and Faramir…”Remember this day little brother…”
why wear plate armor if an arrow can pierce through it like butter...
They might as well went to war in their birthday suit..
That was my first thought
Hitting a weak point in the armor isn't "going through it like butter" this isn't HBO where someone is gonna get a broadsword stabbed clear through mail
@@BigBWolf90but it didn’t hit a weak spot, it just went through the chest plate
You have to look cool man. If I were a Gondorian soldier going into battle and given a choice of a cool ass armour made out of paper or a plain looking brown cotton shirt and trousers….I choose the paper armour
I guess they couldn't keep the PG rating with an arrow in his neck 😂 For the most part the armoured guys we do see go down are being hit by clubs and axes, which makes sense. Getting hit square in the chest might not kill you but good luck fighting with cracked ribs.
Yea yea, you bloody rigth. I'LL REWATCH ALL OF THEM FULL VERSION. YES. I won't say ty, wanted to have a life for 1 week.
Ngl i thought Lord denethor however u spell his name. I thought he was sitting on the Throne of Gondor cause it was empty but those stairs rests the throne of Gondor That chair hes sitting on is the Stewards Throne
They completely and utterly ruined the character in the movies. Denethor is hands down one of the bravest men in middle earths history and challenged sauron for decades using the palantir, organized the strongest defense mortally possible and only JUST started to lose his sanity adter over 3 decades of ruthless resilience whereas the movie denethor is a straight up insult to the character in every single way possible
@@nekogaming5300Tbh, I’ve always understood why they changed Denethor in the films (unlike Faramir, unnecessary change there). They likely didn’t have enough time to dedicate to a more minor character with Denethor’s complexities so even though I think they portrayed him poorly, I get why but I also think just a scene of him with the Palantir would’ve done so much explanation as to why he is like he is
Serious question. This was primarily a melee battle and Faramir ambushed the orcs AFTER they unloaded from the ships. Wouldn't it make more sense to block the dismount five men wide five rows long, taking turns as they fight the orcs back onto the ship? It'd be a classic funneling move neutralizing the orcs' greater numbers. Yes I know this was a hastily improvised defense from an unforeseen angle. They did have a few archers though.
would of had to train the men to do that. and they all would have had to coordinate and do it in the space of like 5 mins it was very unlikely to be done. Tolkien would of been aware of such things as a army veteran.
@kieranforde3787 They did kinda achieve dividing the orc forces by cutting off a small number and interrupting the stream. Alas they were just too many.
You know the situation is dire when Mithrandir the maia comes out to fend off the nazgul.
this is the "weakest" battle scene and its still better then RoP
If there is one thing that annoys me about the LOTR movies, it would be that armour does not protect.
Seeing plate armour not only NOT deflect an arrow but being penetrated is just so very bad.
In the movies is not clear: were these attacks just a distraction to allow the Nazguls to pass through the lands of Gondor to hunt for the ring?
"The age of men is over. the time of orc has come"
Bro at 3:02 was so smooth with that hammer
Buddy at 2:46 had nice hands
The trilogy is almost a perfect masterpiece for me. There are only two things I hate about this movie.
1. Making the dunedains and gondorians look clumsy and weak in battle.
2. Over exaggerating the height of the Balrog, and making it look like a classical kaiju.
That tiny orc bow penetrated plate armor? Probably not. Risky to let some orcs go by, they might turn back. Safer to not let them through the passage. Hard to tell, but it looks like the Gondorians are not really using their position to limit the number of orcs they have to fight at once.
Simple fact, that Faramir held this fort as well as harassed enemy forces with only the men he had, shows quality of his knights and rangers- yes orcs overwhelmed them finally, but that was done with big fuck off army- i dare any of you to fight more than one guy, even if you outclass others in skill...- and they still held those bastards off for MONTHS, and held off this big army throughout the night. By themselves. Boromir would've be proud of his younger brother, and surely would tell him, that his surpassed him as a knight and as a commander
Harvey Weinstein nailed his role.
So sad... You cut few seconds of the movie....
Since part was before the Beacons being lit by Pippin.
I wonder just how many days it took Faramir to hold the river before riding for Minus Tirith?
100 000 against few groups of man, wish the Gandalf uses eagles in this part.
Oh look. Another example of how night battles are SUPPOSED to be filmed.
I Love LotR.
but everytime i watch this fight, im confused why Faramir and his guys dont Shoot a single arrow as soon as they know they are coming?
They are Archers no? they have some Walls/stuff to get high ground.
they are outnumbered so why dont take some orc out with some arrows? maybe i missed something :o
So why did Faramir not have his archers* target all the boats with a shit ton of arrows, nearest boats first, killing most of the occupants so that only stragglers could make it ashore? Instead he let a numerically superior force land and they got whacked.
* He had tons or archers as we saw in the attack he made on the Southrons which Frodo and Sam witnessed.
should have had his archers mow them down as they come off the boats like the germans did on dday, you see how effective they are later on when faramir is being chased and turns the corner into like 8 of his archers who wipe out the group of orcs behind him
Create a wall of spears on the beachhead and fire arrows on them while they try land. And get rid of the armor, it cant resist even the blunt orcish arrow.
It was a bodkin arrow, so not blunt, designed to penetrate plate armor. Also orcs have been known to carry “magical” poison arrows and since that scout had the job to kill any sentry it was likely he was better equipped than your average orc archer.
Still, the arrow probably didn’t pierce that deep, and it was the fall that likely killed him
Bro the Gondor Footmen soldiers are chads man
I don’t understand what Faramir was hoping to achieve with a makeshift ambush here. Surely if they were outnumbered it would have been better to concentrate fire on the boats and bottleneck the Orcs whilst they attempted to land?
Not sure why the Orc was bollocking his guy for being noisy when their boats were lit up like Christmas trees....
Where is the thumbnail?
Damn good shot by my orc bro…
Shadowfax is amazing
Imagine if his armor wasn't made out of plastic, but instead steel. I mean, they could have had it to where the work shot them in the throat.
how much a love LOTR... Gondor have looking good armor but they can also go naked on the battlefield seems it serve for no protection
Look how they massacred my steward!
PJ did not show the real Faramir. Faramir the wise.
I'll still always be confused why Gandalf decided to take Pippin with him when he went out to chase off the Nazgul. He couldn't have just told him "Wait here. I'll be right back in 2 mins."?
The movie portrayed a bit differently from the books. In the book, gandalf and pippin just arrived at minas tirith from edoras as osgiliath was invaded, hence they rode together.
Because Pippin look into the Plantir that Gandalf wrap, and saw an image of Minas Tirith being destroyed so Gandalf took Pippin there to confirm it since Pippin does not know the name of the city but the image he saw
why is soundtrack miss placed?
I knew it sounded misplaced a bit glad you pointed it out I thought I was going crazy
They would've still won this if they choked them on the landing wih spear walls. Would've held the others from disembarking and pushed them back to the boats.
The ruins made good funnels too.
No way they would ever win. It was like 1000 vs well over 50,000, plus eventually the orcs repaired the bridge and crossed over to the other side meaning no matter how well they held the shore they would lose
Where is Tyrion, wildfire and Bronn when you need them?
Poor defence, they could have set up a great deal more area denial tactics like caltrops or stakes on the riverbank, one wonders if these troops were just incompetent or under resourced. Someone correct me please.
The second
The only thing that bug me about this whole scene is that Faramir has a bunch of Ithilien Rangers with him. Yet, I don’t remember seeing any of them firing a single arrow at the approaching Orcs? I mean the hell man? The whole point of bow and arrows is that you weaken the enemies, taking out as many as you can before they reach close combat range
3:48
@ I meant approaching in the boat.
@@ttn20101 Ok, I think Faramir decided they simply did not have the time to prepare for it. They had planned covertly ambush with swords as rapid response all along the line. Remember its a long line the orcs are attacking on.. but it would have been cool to see some shield formations or rangers shooting at the orcs from towers
Had more emotional bonding to the guy dying at 5:06 than Galadriel in the first season of RoP...
Yeah, he was a cool guy. I dont even remember his name but when he died it was sad.
@@donder91 Madril. It was made up for the movie though.
orks in boats paddling quietly just doesn't seem right to me....
I don't think that first arrow should have killed him. He has a steel cuirass over chainmail and that orc arrow was shot up hill from an orc bow... Hit him in the eye maybe :(
Just saying... HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THE TOURCHS!
Should be “the witch king took it” Sauron did fuck all 😂
Why worsen the scene with different soundtrack?
3:10 isnt this the armor for the orcs in Lotr Conquest game
Rel
Can anyone tell me what soundtrack is this part from? 3:41
It's called Osgiliath Invaded, it start at 4:40 of this track