I first saw gummo tripping in a dirty trailer in a dirt poor area of Florida when I was a teenager. I never stopped thinking about it, and I'm in my 40s now.
When Kids came out, in 1995, Korine was 22, and suddenly famous. But what he did with that fame-the surrealist Letterman appearances, the rejection of the Hollywood agencies and studios that offered him money and opportunities, the constant building of his own weird mythology-became its own art project.
I was obsessed with gummo. I can’t help thinking of how the push bike power slide with the single nut out would have fit in the film overall. Powerful image to think about.
Not sure if y’all read these comments but wanted to tell you this movie was amazing and you did such an amazing job!!! I’m a survivor of child abuse sexual and physical and I think this brings awareness of the abuse that can take place! Love y’all
I bought a used laptop in 2011 and then moved across the country. I was browsing old files the previous owner didn't delete and found a .mp4 files title Gummo. I watched the opening scene with the rooster song as was s confused. I ended up watching the whole thing, was really cool. Had never heard of the film before.
Its bizarre to see these guys grown into normal healthy adults. In my head, for so many years, these characters have existed in this permanently disturbed VHS youth. I could only see them in this horrible static world that korine created for them, and because they are not "actors" and could never be found on screen again, it felt so real. But, nah. They are just guys. And its a relief. Its just a movie. Its just a movie.
Here’s the window story. Harm was fucked up on Valium, drunk the whole film. He was really drunk that night, he threw a 30 pound glass picture frame through a bay window, hitting a grip outside in the head, requiring stitches. The crew went in, w 3 shooting days left, and wrapped the film by physically throwing him in a crew van, and telling him “film’s over”, essentially ending the film earlier than it should have. I knew a guy who had gone from NYC to Nashville to work on Gummo as a grip, and he was wearing the Gummo crew shirt one day when we were working on another tv show 15+ years ago. I asked him how it was, bc I love the film. He looked at me w a disgusted look, and said “goddamn biggest nightmare I’ve ever experienced “, and proceeded to tell me the window story. Harmony will finally admit nowadays, that crew ended the movie and threw him in a crew van. He never threw his sister through. He could have been stabbed w a tiny Swiss Army knife, bc crew hated him, but I take anything he’s always said with a grain of salt, bc he’s been telling extremely tall tales for over 25 years now. It’s just part of his persona. That is the window story though.
Ollie Boy I mean, yeah, I get it. If you wanna believe me or not, that’s cool. I’ve worked in film for 22 years now, and about 18 years ago, when I was 22, and working on a pilot for a show called Now & Again (i think that was the title, it never got picked up) I saw a grip, when we were working on the PATH train cars on location, he was wearing a yellow t shirt that had Gummo across the left breast area. I told him I loved the film and he told me how awful the experience was. Harmony has since, at least admitted that the grips through him into a car and ended shooting, but doesn’t mention why, just that they went right from tossing him into the car and drove to a strip club, so who knows., He’s still one of my favorite artists , period, and I’m lucky I got to meet him a few times on separate occasions back in 1999.
I live in dayton 20 minutes from Xenia, did not know anything about this movie until I seen the movie Belly, with DMX. Watch the credits for the name, had it in my collection every since👍🏽
only if Harmony at least wrote the script... i think i would be fine with a G2, like trainspotting did. and have these three in the movie as the same characters. think I related to Gummo so much because I grew up poor in the midwest, so it just made sense to me. but something that always happens with kids like that is they turn into their parents or the ppl they never wanted to be. just wouldn't be surprised to see Tummler and Solly driving their cars around, picking up cats to sell. except maybe they've got some kids of their own now. maybe one of them marries one of the foot-foot sisters.
Great movie,as a city guy who grew up like you great peeps watching H.K. films,My View, this film gave me a glimpse at a different lense of life into other characters lives.
“Harmony, like Moondog, is ruthless,” McConaughey said. “He demands that the world entertain him. His appetite for destruction makes him a birther of creations. He's inconsiderate, fair-weather, a great liar, will never promise anything, is non-possessive and has no affiliations. He needs controversy. To him, a boring person is a sinner. He needs the world to feed him and he wants to eat. He wants amusement, and will seek out less and less demanding people to be around so to get it. He obviously has the discipline to create art but I'll bet the idea of discipline enrages him.”
With everything digital nowadays, I got rid of my entire DVD collection.....except Gummo. I still have it on DVD, because I can't find it anywhere else. I should just take the risk and upload it to RUclips.
Essential film have appreciated since released, many others in the Detroit arts did not then but so ironic how they persist to portray this life experience today, or create a skate park here and urban art yet in the end gentrify everything.. This is the real deal film, I grew up in southern Wayne County, South Detroit "Downriver".. Lots of similar experiences... Never will forget the night artist Chris Sears, his gf Tara, friends and myself rented it from iconic Thomas video and watched in Hamtramck while smoking very good herb. Altogether with the ending scene that was intense.. spent 4.5 years in Kansas/Missouri border 80's economic depression.. Showed my art at the university in Clarksville, TN later 90's and rambled around Nashville, think a mass murderer tried to hitch a ride downtown once saw his picture years later thankful I did not let him in.. lots of crazy stories like that.. once in New Orleans my friend and I met some nasty people they robbed us at a bar, never will forget them fall of '99 a few years ago I heard a radio caller from that time whom admitted to killing many around that area, we had crossed a bridge and were out in what felt like no where east i believe of New Orleans.. Took the bartenders name though Crystal something I saved it.. I think she was in with the guy, she said he was a boyfriend or husband, mullet.. cast of charachters in the bar and he had led us there from another bar in downtown New Orleans.. there with Paul Steele my building manager from Detroit Cass Corridor whom was best friends with Rodriguez from Searching for Sugarman.. Many stories.. Hope Harmony keeps them rolling..
Jacob seems to have geniune animosity towards Harmony. For example, wincing when he says "I'm suprised he didn't ask you to eat it" in reference to the 4-month old scrambled eggs and avoiding Korine to get out of a tough day of shooting. We can give credit to Harmony for being a brilliant artist, but he went through a period where he would torture himself and his cast for the sake of art. I'm sure it's probably not that dramatic, but he was an intense director to say the least.
Gummo Marx was also thrown out of the troupe, or more so wasn’t allowed to be visible, bc he was a cross dresser. He did direct a lot of their early work. The rabbit ears that bunny boy wore are in Chloes closet, with all of her vintage/designer, or outfits from films, and can actually be seen in a RUclips video where she gives an apt tour of her tiny NYC apt that she used to have in the East Village. My biggest question would have been what happened to the footage of the old guy in blackface who appeared in the trailer that Mark Romanek had originally cut, who appears a few times, but is never seen in the film. It’s odd to hear that there’s a script. I know that Harmony said that Cary Woods had read 7 pages and agreed to green light the 1.5- 2 mil dollar budget, under the condition that Harmony not make an “art” film. I have the KiDs script, but the collected screenplays is the only Harmony book I still need to complete my Harmony book collection. I’m interested in seeing what was written vs. what was shot. Glad to see these guys seem to all be doing well.
The Adkins house they filmed at had a human jaw bone Harmony found and didn't report it... Pretty crazy he covered up hoarders burying grandma or grandpa
My big brother I also remember when they were still mean my brother would always try to get me and Jacob to date because we were both 12 at the time the same age
How can the conditions be so unpleasant for minors on a 1.3 million budget film? Considering the Screen Actors Guild was involved...I just can’t fathom how there was no budget allotted to cleaning up the space and ensuring minimum wellbeing for the cast and crew. Also...The Bunny Boy actor was 12!??? Ain’t he making out with women in the rain in this film?
A million dollars isn't much for a film. You gotta think that includes production, editing, mastering, and putting it out. That takes a bit of coin. Renting cameras (assuming he did) is also INSANELY expensive. A million aint much in film! Much love take care ❤️🎯⭕☠️
I saw something about Shia LaBeouf and his ex girlfriend rapper or whatever do that's why I'm here cuz she was in a picture I think,on google,with some musician named mat Healey I think.he looks like the gay acting cat killer that they say was their competition.he lived with his sick grandma all alone.Frankw.
I used to rent this movie so much the manager of the video store gave it to me.
He probably thought u were a weirdo/nobody else would rent the movie anyways. I was obsessed with movie when I was a teenager too
@@gabbyb7347 true, I still own that DVD, sometimes I just have to go visit Xenia.
It was filmed in west Nashville?
that's classic!
@D r I p p chill dude, I did not mean to offend anybody, I am a weirdo as well, what's wrong with that?
I first saw gummo tripping in a dirty trailer in a dirt poor area of Florida when I was a teenager. I never stopped thinking about it, and I'm in my 40s now.
On acid or shrooms?
Did he not tie his shoelaces or he was just clumsy. He looks clumsy
This needs a Criterion release. It’s one of the greatest art house films ever made.
Jordan Martel for sure!!
Yes!! Been waiting for this.
What even is the best video quality version that can be bought currently?
@@jimsters2 Basically a DVD
Jimsters you can only get dvd
When Kids came out, in 1995, Korine was 22, and suddenly famous. But what he did with that fame-the surrealist Letterman appearances, the rejection of the Hollywood agencies and studios that offered him money and opportunities, the constant building of his own weird mythology-became its own art project.
@Jeremy Light anytime Mr Light
Awesome, never thought I'd see these 3 together again. Love all the stuff they're revealing
this is so crazy to see you here!! s4lem community 4ever. Also saw you comment on some Aphex tracks, wiled
Finally got to see Gummo this week at a drive in theater. So crazy to see them as normal looking adults
Or… we’ll adults lol
that’s fucking rad
A drive in theatre... Where child molestation is normal...
@@HandlingItAll what
@@HandlingItAll ?
I am so impressed how this movie was made. Everything feels raw and taboo. Its one of my favorites.
i'm just happy I am alive for this and that it happened only a few years after me finding the movie
One of the craziest movies I've ever seen in a good way. I'll never be able to get that bathtub out of my head.
Yeah it was the bath tub scene being used in a RUclips vid that made me seek out this film. Something so simple is utterly compelling
I can smell it omg
One of my all time favorite movies. Truly one of the Greats.
Yeah, bet it is mole
Ester
I was obsessed with gummo. I can’t help thinking of how the push bike power slide with the single nut out would have fit in the film overall. Powerful image to think about.
You're brain is fucked up
Nick is the perfect actor because he's so sweet but plays the opposite so well. Tummler is basically the villain your rooting for!
I agree, Nick literally wouldn’t hurt a fly. He managed to lay down one of the best performances ever committed to cinema.
You are cute
@PunkRock Popeye he said in the interview he was into drugs. Hes not anymore.
@@The80sWolf_ down bad
@@christhecowboy1999 I take it back. After looking closer, it might be a transoid
This movie was so dramatic and thought out I thought it was a documentary for years when it came out. Probably the best casting u could have done
Thanks so much for posting this. Gummo left a huge impression on me when I saw it and it's so great to see these actors doing well.
Are any of these guys or most of the cast actors?
This is crazy, can't believe this happened! Thank you for the video!
They look the exact same just bearded.
And a few extra pounds.
@@splashhash12I mean they're not 14 anymore.
Not sure if y’all read these comments but wanted to tell you this movie was amazing and you did such an amazing job!!! I’m a survivor of child abuse sexual and physical and I think this brings awareness of the abuse that can take place! Love y’all
Same here. And same here!
Good to see Nick Sutton in one piece alive and doing well.
Glad I got to see this monumental event in person. What a rad time!
lucky!! this is so dope
@@veronicaperezbby it was rad as hell! All 3 of the guys were super cool and we had a blast that night into the morning.
Si k sh t
@@thekid219 you're all on drugs and alcoholics who thinks trauma and filth is funny
@@veronicaperezbby it's dope until you learned Harmony is exploitation films are garbage and he was a child molester
Love it!! Great seeing these guys again.
Wow they broke so many child labor laws in the filming of kids and gummo.
Yea and a young Chloe Sevigny was a "set guardian" when that dudes mom wasn't on set....
Who came up with that idea??
Mom?
@@labbeaj I forget she was in it. Been a long time since I saw it.
@@pladampa Yep..
Everyone has to talk like a college professor now
Total child mol
I didn't expect Bunny Boy to look like that at all.
Neither i.
He’s more macho than I expected, but he’s still the most good looking of the group
Bet you didn't, chimos
I bought a used laptop in 2011 and then moved across the country. I was browsing old files the previous owner didn't delete and found a .mp4 files title Gummo. I watched the opening scene with the rooster song as was s confused. I ended up watching the whole thing, was really cool. Had never heard of the film before.
I've seen gummo when I was kid and fell in love with the movie 20 years laters still love it
This was great. One thing though, THEY NEVER TALKING ABOUT THE DEAF ARGUMENT AT THE BOWLING ALLEY!!!!
I just rewatched this film yesterday.. I handnt seen it in like 20 years and it still hold up as great art. crazy af at times, but still art :)
Man- I bought gummo the second I could order a copy when it dropped. So glad I found this interview all these years later
Such a cool event. Very happy to have been there :D
Not at all. These dudes are younger than me and look like trash.
🗑️
Mole
Ester
Its bizarre to see these guys grown into normal healthy adults. In my head, for so many years, these characters have existed in this permanently disturbed VHS youth. I could only see them in this horrible static world that korine created for them, and because they are not "actors" and could never be found on screen again, it felt so real. But, nah. They are just guys. And its a relief. Its just a movie. Its just a movie.
So crazy to see theyre all super fuckin cool people with love and experiences. I dont know what I was expecting but it gives me hope.
Here’s the window story. Harm was fucked up on Valium, drunk the whole film. He was really drunk that night, he threw a 30 pound glass picture frame through a bay window, hitting a grip outside in the head, requiring stitches. The crew went in, w 3 shooting days left, and wrapped the film by physically throwing him in a crew van, and telling him “film’s over”, essentially ending the film earlier than it should have. I knew a guy who had gone from NYC to Nashville to work on Gummo as a grip, and he was wearing the Gummo crew shirt one day when we were working on another tv show 15+ years ago. I asked him how it was, bc I love the film. He looked at me w a disgusted look, and said “goddamn biggest nightmare I’ve ever experienced “, and proceeded to tell me the window story. Harmony will finally admit nowadays, that crew ended the movie and threw him in a crew van. He never threw his sister through. He could have been stabbed w a tiny Swiss Army knife, bc crew hated him, but I take anything he’s always said with a grain of salt, bc he’s been telling extremely tall tales for over 25 years now. It’s just part of his persona. That is the window story though.
that's fascinating. i'll take your word for it but who knows, maybe you're just telling a tall tale like Harmony.
Ollie Boy I mean, yeah, I get it. If you wanna believe me or not, that’s cool. I’ve worked in film for 22 years now, and about 18 years ago, when I was 22, and working on a pilot for a show called Now & Again (i think that was the title, it never got picked up) I saw a grip, when we were working on the PATH train cars on location, he was wearing a yellow t shirt that had Gummo across the left breast area. I told him I loved the film and he told me how awful the experience was. Harmony has since, at least admitted that the grips through him into a car and ended shooting, but doesn’t mention why, just that they went right from tossing him into the car and drove to a strip club, so who knows., He’s still one of my favorite artists , period, and I’m lucky I got to meet him a few times on separate occasions back in 1999.
Lol harmony Korine is one weird dude.
Someone missed there crystal meth this morning
@@wulyf4lyf what were those meetings in '99 like?
These guys seem like solid dudes. Big shout out to the SAG for keeping them safe during this crazy shoot too.
Shout out to child mol
Less
Station.
Right!!! Am I right?!
F
This film is the most "nashville" thing ever, reminded me of eerie spaces in southern houses, very uncomfortably familiar
Why does everyone think southerners are so off base?
I've not seen the movie yet, is it like the movie "Nashville?"
Wow, this was a fascinating interview. Thanks so much.
Bet it is boy lover. You're ALL currently being investigated btw. Just so you know....
@@HandlingItAll What are you on about, crazy person?
I remember when this movie came out. Man,it was wild. The scene where the kids shot the rabbit was epic. Lol
Priceless indie classic
This is great! Would love to see more reunions like this :)
Like em young don't you
damn this is rare. tysm for sharing this
Gummo is Stand by Me on ACID.
I live in dayton 20 minutes from Xenia, did not know anything about this movie until I seen the movie Belly, with DMX. Watch the credits for the name, had it in my collection every since👍🏽
only if Harmony at least wrote the script... i think i would be fine with a G2, like trainspotting did. and have these three in the movie as the same characters. think I related to Gummo so much because I grew up poor in the midwest, so it just made sense to me. but something that always happens with kids like that is they turn into their parents or the ppl they never wanted to be. just wouldn't be surprised to see Tummler and Solly driving their cars around, picking up cats to sell. except maybe they've got some kids of their own now. maybe one of them marries one of the foot-foot sisters.
Great movie,as a city guy who grew up like you great peeps watching H.K. films,My View, this film gave me a glimpse at a different lense of life into other characters lives.
“Harmony, like Moondog, is ruthless,” McConaughey said. “He demands that the world entertain him. His appetite for destruction makes him a birther of creations. He's inconsiderate, fair-weather, a great liar, will never promise anything, is non-possessive and has no affiliations. He needs controversy. To him, a boring person is a sinner. He needs the world to feed him and he wants to eat. He wants amusement, and will seek out less and less demanding people to be around so to get it. He obviously has the discipline to create art but I'll bet the idea of discipline enrages him.”
This is awesome. Thanks for the upload
Where can i find the girls podcast?
@@michaelsghers9472 google it
With everything digital nowadays, I got rid of my entire DVD collection.....except Gummo. I still have it on DVD, because I can't find it anywhere else. I should just take the risk and upload it to RUclips.
Yes. I been wanting to watch it. Please do
I wonder whatever happened to the actors/characters in this film? That would be an interesting documentary.
I am so glad I watched this and I don’t get why people don’t like it I thought it was brilliant (as a cat lover )
Love the movie. Tried to get my family to watch it and they thought I’d lost my mind completely, wanted me to “seek help” and shit.
Fun times.
It's Bunny Boy in the house!
It's nice hearing bunny boy speak because of how stoic his character was
Im curios what was said at the awkward cut at 43:14 :)
"you gonna f her next,"
You couldn’t have gotten them all a microphone?
I can hear them fine, both Jacobs are sat close enough that they can share one anyway smh
Epic interview!
Why is this movie not available on DVD or Blu ray today?
Does Warner Brothers own it & don’t want to release it??
Good question. Not sure.
Essential film have appreciated since released, many others in the Detroit arts did not then but so ironic how they persist to portray this life experience today, or create a skate park here and urban art yet in the end gentrify everything.. This is the real deal film, I grew up in southern Wayne County, South Detroit "Downriver".. Lots of similar experiences... Never will forget the night artist Chris Sears, his gf Tara, friends and myself rented it from iconic Thomas video and watched in Hamtramck while smoking very good herb. Altogether with the ending scene that was intense.. spent 4.5 years in Kansas/Missouri border 80's economic depression.. Showed my art at the university in Clarksville, TN later 90's and rambled around Nashville, think a mass murderer tried to hitch a ride downtown once saw his picture years later thankful I did not let him in.. lots of crazy stories like that.. once in New Orleans my friend and I met some nasty people they robbed us at a bar, never will forget them fall of '99 a few years ago I heard a radio caller from that time whom admitted to killing many around that area, we had crossed a bridge and were out in what felt like no where east i believe of New Orleans.. Took the bartenders name though Crystal something I saved it.. I think she was in with the guy, she said he was a boyfriend or husband, mullet.. cast of charachters in the bar and he had led us there from another bar in downtown New Orleans.. there with Paul Steele my building manager from Detroit Cass Corridor whom was best friends with Rodriguez from Searching for Sugarman.. Many stories.. Hope Harmony keeps them rolling..
Wowww incredible that these guys did this
Is that Keith Morris from Circle Jerks on 0:30?
holy shit jacob is such a cool dude
Lmao...in the movie he's just weird as fuck
Legends!
Was that keith Morris in the beginning?
Jacob seems to have geniune animosity towards Harmony. For example, wincing when he says "I'm suprised he didn't ask you to eat it" in reference to the 4-month old scrambled eggs and avoiding Korine to get out of a tough day of shooting. We can give credit to Harmony for being a brilliant artist, but he went through a period where he would torture himself and his cast for the sake of art. I'm sure it's probably not that dramatic, but he was an intense director to say the least.
Is there more footage
this was pretty much everything I could get. Not really a whole lot more.
Gummo Marx was also thrown out of the troupe, or more so wasn’t allowed to be visible, bc he was a cross dresser. He did direct a lot of their early work. The rabbit ears that bunny boy wore are in Chloes closet, with all of her vintage/designer, or outfits from films, and can actually be seen in a RUclips video where she gives an apt tour of her tiny NYC apt that she used to have in the East Village. My biggest question would have been what happened to the footage of the old guy in blackface who appeared in the trailer that Mark Romanek had originally cut, who appears a few times, but is never seen in the film. It’s odd to hear that there’s a script. I know that Harmony said that Cary Woods had read 7 pages and agreed to green light the 1.5- 2 mil dollar budget, under the condition that Harmony not make an “art” film. I have the KiDs script, but the collected screenplays is the only Harmony book I still need to complete my Harmony book collection. I’m interested in seeing what was written vs. what was shot. Glad to see these guys seem to all be doing well.
who is jerrod ? (the mean killer cat)
Gabriel , Jared. He’s the competition w the cat killing, who takes care of the Grandmother , who they find out is gay, etc...
@@wulyf4lyf Who is actor Jerrod ?
@@wulyf4lyf Jared*
@@Natanialfreitas On IMDb he is listed as Daniel Martin
Ironically, Nick (Tummler) is one of the biggest animal lovers I know of 😅😂
My favorite film may be it is no 1 in my list
wow, thanks for this
where is Mr. Korine and Chloe Sevigny?
47:30 what scene
The glue huffing scene in the ditch
@@g.gustafson1822 thanks
Where is the girls podcast? I cant find it
Yayyyy
My third time seeing this.. Of course, I got the d v d definitely one of my favorite movies in my top ten for sure
I´m getting so invested in this film and i haven´t even watch it. Where can I watch this film?
Also, thanks for posting this
Vimeo or daily motion
Don’t watch it. It’s disgusting and depressing film. The 2 guys rape a Down syndrome woman.
You can really tell Tummler lives in Portland, hard.
All 3 of those guys are from Southern Ohio , you can't fool me.
Gummo definitely had a Pulp Fiction vibe to it!!!!
Mark Gonzalez was the star for me.
Best film of all time. No fud but Harmonys other movies dont even come close to this one.
This movie got me .... This fucking movie got me!
JACOB "DOESNT SWALLOW" ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
The Adkins house they filmed at had a human jaw bone Harmony found and didn't report it... Pretty crazy he covered up hoarders burying grandma or grandpa
how was that lime
Oh yes, mister Sewell, i know Loss. It's one of the best doom bands from the last decade.
fuck yea. Hobb's End as well? Third Degree Burnout
Amazing
I caught my boyfriend at the time watching this with my cat 🐈 Coltrane.
My big brother I also remember when they were still mean my brother would always try to get me and Jacob to date because we were both 12 at the time the same age
I love this :)
Who’s the interviewer on the right with the black hair?
Big tit woman
Is that really Bunny boy? Damn
this is great!
“We’ve got China white in the back”. “That’s illegal”.
damn the little guy looks likes Merle ALAN of The Murder Junkies (gg Allin) band
Harmony saw him on an episode of Sally Jesse Raphael about killing cats and recruited him... He wasn't in a movie lol
Who is Jerrod ?
He is the other cat killer kid in the film
@@jv-ee7ks yeah, I hate that shit. I hate all of that shit.
His grandmother has a dartboard
I love my little henny, and she loves me
we need a gummo PART 2 MOVIE filmed in the real XENIA OHIO...im from xenia ohio we would love that ..
Nahhhhhh
Or maybe about a different group of kids in Xenia. And connected to Gummo but not called Gummo
This rocks
How can the conditions be so unpleasant for minors on a 1.3 million budget film? Considering the Screen Actors Guild was involved...I just can’t fathom how there was no budget allotted to cleaning up the space and ensuring minimum wellbeing for the cast and crew. Also...The Bunny Boy actor was 12!??? Ain’t he making out with women in the rain in this film?
A million dollars isn't much for a film. You gotta think that includes production, editing, mastering, and putting it out. That takes a bit of coin. Renting cameras (assuming he did) is also INSANELY expensive. A million aint much in film! Much love take care ❤️🎯⭕☠️
Yeah... You mean child molestation? Yes. It's under investigation
Jacob 🐰.... if you see this get ahold of me. Love and miss you. Hope to hear from you soon. 🖤 -Serena
would love to see this crew do it again with harmony and a decent interviewer
46:00
FFS GET NICK ANOTHER BLOODY MARY
I saw something about Shia LaBeouf and his ex girlfriend rapper or whatever do that's why I'm here cuz she was in a picture I think,on google,with some musician named mat Healey I think.he looks like the gay acting cat killer that they say was their competition.he lived with his sick grandma all alone.Frankw.
omg i was looking for this