JIM ROSS: "HOGAN *refused* to lose to BROCK - I was furious"
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- JIM ROSS shares his frustration regarding Hulk Hogan not wanting to lose to Brock Lesnar in 2002!
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3:44 for the actual Hogan talk to start
Thank you so much
Thank you
thanks, Hogan is all anybody cares about here and they know it. Hulk Rules brother.
@@emilyanderson9559he rules and should have beat Brock instead of Show
Thanks man, I’m amazed it isn’t just 8 mins of adverts like the podcasts tbh. 😂
Some of the biggest feuds/matches we've never got to see is because "that doesn't work for me brother"
If he didn't have the damn mindset, we could've gotten Hogan vs. Austin at Wrestlemania 18
@@cliffbot638 actually austin was the one who backed out & didn't want the match, rock was the back up.
@bdot187um I hear the story is both men weren't sold. Austin didn't believe Hogan would put him over.
@@cliffbot638 by that point hulk was burnt out with the political shitshow that was wcw, so he was willing to do business (which he did) thats why he went with whatever for that run cause he was looking for two things 1 redeem himself for how things ended up in wcw 2 cash in on a big payday, while austin was bitter with how things went down when hulk came to wcw & how he was phased out afterwards plus he didn't think hulk can hang & thought this is his opportunity to "big league him" which in the end bit him in the ass, Hogan headlined maina ,became the world champion & once again became one of if not the most over guy in the promotion while austin took his ball & went home twice in that one year.
@@cliffbot638 Hogan vs Rock was the better call.
After he came back in 02, they had Hogan job quite a bit.
You mean after putting the title on him after 2 months ?? that was stupid as hell . Of course they should have had him ''job'' to Brock , Angle etc and work with the likes of Edge .
@@user-qx3eb2jx1p Yeah, putting the title on the most over guy is always "stupid as hell." 🙄
Talking like someone who doesn't have a clue.@@user-qx3eb2jx1p
@@user-qx3eb2jx1pyou sound mental. Hogan is wrestling
@@onewarriornation602He was over in a respectful way, which isn’t going to last.
Party's over grandpa
Maybe Hulk refused to job to Brock as he could see what JR later alluded to - the booking didn’t make sense. Hogan already jobbed out to Brock so what does losing to him again accomplish that losing to him the first time didn’t?
Hogan could see that there were no long term goals in the booking.
Hence, Vince saying he’s not ready for Brock to lose only to have Brock immediately lose to Big Show.
Didn’t make sense.
This is the same reason Austin left - they wanted him to job to Brock but not part of a bigger angle. Just shortsighted booking.
JR knows that Hulk Hogan can refuse to do whatever the hell he wants because he's Hulk Hogan he could tell Vince McMahon I want you to fire JR and JR would've been gone the next day.
You have a point there. Austin did leave for the same reason
@Sneakerveli actually you're wrong. Hogan didn't want to lose again partially for his ego. The other part may definitely be right. Stone cold, on the other hand, didn't have a problem with doing business since it obviously wouldn't hurt his position on the top of the card as top Babyface. Austin's issue with the proposed match with Brock was that Vince wanted to give it away on free t.v. Austin wanted it to happen at an event, pay-per-view to be precise.
@marcuswalker6764 Thanks for that paragraph, Pal 👍🏿
at the time the wrestlers used to make most of their money on the big shows sometimes they could make a triple digit paycheck for one show so obviously Austin wanted to make a few million dollars to Russell Brock not just part of his contract on a Monday night I get it anything to do with Hulk Hogan who is a much bigger star than any of these wrestlers OK he is the wrestler still to this day. He's 70 years old and if you stop the average person on the street and say a wrestler name they're probably gonna say Hulk Hogan.@@marcuswalker6764
They kept it short cuz Brock had broken ribs
I think J.R forgot that part
Now I'm no hogan fan but when he came back in 02 hogam job out to alot of guys and barely won matches . I dont blame him . I hate when they job out older talent constantly. Like its ok to lose here and there but not every dam match
💯
It's fake fighting who cares
@@TheSophisticatedSavageif u don't care why are u here?
true, shawn michael's second run was kind of like that. after his first year back he barely won a big match at the big events and puta bunch of guys over. ric flair being one exception.
He even jobbed out to Brock during this time. Frankly, he jobbed out to every big star WWE had not named Austin (because Austin didn't wanna work with him).
It would be one thing if Hogan was actively petitioning to get a rematch with Brock just so he could beat him and get his win back. That would be a ridiculous ego trip. But can't fault Hogan here for not wanting to lose to Brock AGAIN. Brock absolutely demolished him on Smackdown... and so then the idea was to have Brock demolish the very same guy again, but this time on Paperview?? To what end? Beating Hogan, in the fashion that he did, got Brock over... but for him to beat the same guy again in the very same fashion doesn't really get him *more* over. It just makes Hogan look like $hit. They had Hogan jobbing out to everyone during this period... lost to Rock twice, tapped to Angle, demolished by Brock, beat by Undertaker and he could only get the best of HHH with tons of extreme outside interference. Yep, he was in his 50s. But for one of the biggest Legends of all time who was still in great shape and was more over than anybody else in the company, he was booked really weakly. It seemed intentional. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If beating Hulk Hogan means something, then you can't have him get beat every week and have it still mean something.
Hogan did put over brock on smackdown before summerslam 2002...brock destroyed him
He didn’t pin him tho
I remember when Brock had him in that hold, Hogan was bleeding from the mouth.
Right?? These dumb marks get all mad over nothing... There was nothing to be gained if Brock would have beaten Hogan for a second time
@@rcdune7132and if they wanted to make more money off that match, they should of had some build up to it and done it on the ppv, kind of the reason why Austin stepped away from wwe at the time, they wanted him to do the job to lesnar with no build and in a meaningless match on raw
Nothing is ever good enough for people
"You're shittin me, you're f*ckin Hulk Hogan" That's the first time I think I've heard JR say "f*ck", same with Kurt Angle and The Rock.
@AmericanUNCENSORED What I mean is you don't hear Kurt Angle or The Rock saying "f*ck" a lot
I was 12 or 13 maybe when Big Show beat Brock, and even THEN I still thought that looked so stupid. Having someone like Show at your disposal and not once knowing what to properly do with him is just criminal to me.
He is criminaly underrated. But I feel his lack of experience when he stared caused it. I will always respect him. The things he allows Brock to do to him and made it look perfect for his size and weight will never be forgotten.
Big Show was too limited and was too hard to work with to do more with him. He’s best as an attraction and not a weekly or even monthly wrestler.
@@fatalsniper3413 That is exactly right, and he was never really treated as just that, an attraction. He lost way too much that people stop caring about him being a literal giant in the ring.
Takes nearly half the video to get to what the title says it’s about. And then it’s barely talked about.
Dave Meltzer gives it one star.
Learn how to clip your videos, Conrad.
At that point i agree it made no sense for Hogan to beat Lesnar being undefeated. Hogan was over regardless. But Lesnar was young, huge and looked unstoppable so having a 50 plus year old guy beating him would've been unbelievable. At least with Big Show he was a guy that was huge and looked the part to defeat Lesnar. With Heyman turning i felt like story wise it made way more sense than Hulkster squashing his push by beating him cleanly in the middle of the ring.
Plus Lesnar's credentials would've made it unconvincing had Hogan won.
@@jpbart1390true, who has Hogan ever beat?
I can't answer that question. I actually never heard about him getting into fights, let alone winning or losing.@@RG-lr4pk
@@RG-lr4pklol. Nice.
@@jpbart1390 i believe this was before Lesnar's UFC run, still hard to believe that a 50 + hogan would have been able to beat Lesnar but it would have been a absolute joke after his run.
If i could only not hear the name Meltzer 1500 times an episode.
Yeah seems like Thompson has his head stuck up something of Daves
Seriously, probably 75% of the time that Conrad repeats a Meltzer quote I just wanna throw up, Meltzer is like the ultimate Wrestling Whining Nerd
He uses the WON as a historical reference, what else would you have him consult, the New York Times?
@@sonanderson6351He is speaking to people who were actually there. It isn't hard to go "now at this point in 2002 Hogan vs Lesnar is set up. Take me through the process of this."
Instead every week, every show it's "DaVe MeLtZeR says..." For every single goddamn question.
@@onewarriornation602 yes, it’s a reference point. How does he know that at that point the match was set? What’s he source for that?If you don’t understand that, I’m sorry for you.
Not used to hearing JR's voice through an amateur gamer mic.
Hogan put Lesnar over huge on SmackDown. No need to keep having him lose. How many of JRs boys lost 2 in a row to Lesnar? Austin went home and Taker had a no contest and lost. You could argue he didn't need a win and could have lost clean twice too. He's just JRs boy lol.
hogan was right on this. vince just confirmed it with letting big show beat brock. This also were the days where vince wanted brock to squash austin. wwe had all the talent but bad writing, and bad story lines was holding them back. brock beating taker also made 0 sense
I am glad Hogan didn’t put over Brock, And I am glad stone didn’t either for me that makes sense
But he did put over Brock
No disrespect intended so Hulk could lose to Kidman but refuses to lose to a believable wrestler like Lesnar ? WTF
😂😂😂😂😂
Vince: I want Broc to go over you tonight
Hogan: that’s not going to work for me brother
Boring. Come up with something original, dork!
But then made a worse decision, they put Big Show over instead... LAME!
I was looking who was the 1st with the correct real Hogan answer Brother. Sometimes I wonder if he gets mixed up call his girlfriend Brother
Brock: I don’t give a shit if it doesn’t work for you.😉
@@ShadowAngel606 I agree 💯
That's false -- Meltzer b.s. Hulk was more than happy to do the honors for Brock. His problem was he had been beat to death leading in to Brock beating him the first time - Rock at Mania, Taker at Judgement Day, Kurt at King of the Ring, and then the angle on Smack Down where Brock beat him & took him out. So to come back and go straight in to another match with Brock/ another loss would make it look like Brock beat nobody. He's Hogan yeah, but he's still a full time fixture on the show as well, so i'm kinda with him on that he needed to be built back up before getting beat again and the comeback win on Brock would've been at least a start to that.
Yes so the amount of times hogan jobbed wouldn't have helped brock as big as it should have as we already seen hogan lose 3 times in a span of lije 3 or 4 months iys why when Cena loses now it means nothing didn't help theory, didn't help Solo should have won both then lost when it mattered
That’s why Meltzer is full of shit
@@keeganhurley119 in the words of eric bischoff, context is king. Meltzer wrote this with no context at all as to why what was said was actually said. He's 100% fake news.
Wrestling is meant to be presented as a sport. Hogan losing all the time does nothing other than to tarnish Hogan. Austin is Austin because he was going to win, until Vince got involved and stacked the deck against him.
It was never realistic for an old man like Hogan to beat a young star in the 2000's. I'm sorry, it just isn't. @@StarCadet
It’s probably hard when you have a lot of top guy’s at the Heavyweight level.❤
Being what Hogan did for wrestling im thinking he might have had an idea of what worked and what didn’t 😊😊😊brutha
Brock had a legit broken rib, that's why the match was short. I loved their feud.
Hogan's got a point on this one. Brock already beat Hogan into dust, he didn't just beat Hogan, he destroyed Hogan when they had their first match, injury angle, the whole 9 yards. For that situation to work, you gotta give Hogan something.
No you don't. Hogan didn't need anything other to help make someone which he clearly couldn't do. Just hogans MO, could have been taker and given back but never would and never did.
@@chadjustice8560Hogan had already put over plenty of guys including Brock by then in 02 and in Brock's case he practically squashed Hogan. I don't think there's much there if Brock just beats Hogan again. If Brock hadn't rolled Hogan a few months prior? Sure but he did.
well unlike the other guy from texas at least he did the job on free tv & made brock look like an absolute monster.
True that.
Say what you want about hogan and do your research for the face of the company the most over superstar in the peak of hulkimania he put warrior over no top talent prior did that during their peak not Bruno, not Pedro, not Andre same can be said about hogan who yiu can't name one guy he put over clean who needed so when I here Hogan never put no one over its bills hit and unfair if you dnt Warrior, Taker, Yoko, Luger, Goldberg, Kidman, The Wall, The Rock, Taker, again, Lesner hogan put everyone of those guys over
Austin's issue wasn't losing but that it was going to happen with no build like he was just another guy
He didn’t have a problem with losing jackass he had a problem with having a free tv worthy ppv match with no proper build
@@dantecarroll2435 that's what he said however Austin has never put anyone over clean who needed it hogan has
He did put him over though. He actually put over a lot of people. Brock, sting, warrior, rock twice, Kidman, Yokozuna, taker twice, Goldberg, angle, Luger. And that’s just off the top. Austin wouldn’t put over Brock. Is jr mad about that?
Yes lol
You are exactly right. Hogan put way more people over than Austin ever did.
@@OriginalTafili thank you sir
😂😂😂 Who are you trying to hide the background from, JR??? We’ve already seen it for at least 20 minutes.
Austin?
The match was short because Brock legitimately had a cracked rib (which made that F5 all the more impressive).
I also don't believe for a second Hogan was part of that plan. They were repushing Big Show as a heel and the plan was to transition the belt from him to Angle and then do Angle vs Brock at WM 19. Hogan has no business in that whole scenario and I don't know why they analyze the match on a rumor that he was.
Almost like Hulk had a sense for how bad an idea creative was having when he says "that doesn't work for me" and protected himself.
its 100% fine for Austin to pull that, but not for Hogan? Im glad he took a break after losing to Brock in August. They made him look kinda goofy. There was money left on the table with his return.
ps, I agree it doesn't make "sense" for Hogan to beat brock at this point in time, so the correct choice is obvious: don't have the match! Hogan got this one right.
@@ItsTrinton Don't put people in situations they aren't capable of being in. I always fantasy booked him winning the IC title after mania instead of them deciding to kill HHH push as champion and face of the company. He didnt need another World Title run. Have him have a couple matches on Raw and then have him beat someone like Jericho for the IC strap? He doesnt have to be on TV every damn night and segment. Then have someone like Lesnar kill him on Raw or SD and have it mean something.
Exactly.
@@deebo1103 completely , completely different to Austin . Austin was asked to lose a KOTR qualifier when creative knew how pissed he was anyway about the whole NWO / Flair stuff and how stupid the booking was . Austin's reason was valid as he was going to work a potentially awesome programme with Eddie ( I know Eddie would have probably cost Austin the match against Brock) but after months and months of creative BS and losing to Brock in a nothing match .... Austin was right to refuse . What they SHOULD have done was have Brock beat Hogan as he did , beat Rock and then retire Austin at mania 19 with a good build .
JR and this Hogan jab would be funny, if not for the fact that at least Hogan did the job. Unlike Ross buddy Stone Cold. Austin refused to job to Brock and walked out on the entire company. Call out your buddy first.
That's because it was stupid, and a completely different situation.
austin not wanting to job to brock was 1 of the best decisions that was ever made. nobody wanted that. Even Brock thought it was a dumb idea. when someone is trying to force you to do something you don't wanna do, you walk away. only a clown would put up with nonsense.
Kurt Angle should have gotten the first win over Brock. Then Brock avenges his only loss by beating Angle for the championship at WrestleMania 19!
Hogan the exact right thing - he shouldn’t have been asked to lay down for him. It would have done for Hogan. They did the same stupid thing asking Austin to put Lesnar over in their first match with zero build-up. Austin was so pissed he walked out and he should have. Lesnar didn’t the rub from beating two legends just propel him and it would have done absolutely nothing for either hogan or Austin’s characters.
Yeah. It was a huge bummer watching that live. After Lesnar rampages through the entire locker room for more than 6 months, scores decisive victories over Hogan, Rock, and Undertaker, Big Show is the one to take him out. At least we got team Angle out of it, but this was a massive drop in momentum.
You mean the largest guy on the roster AND Brock's own manager screwing him over is what took him out. And then it lead to Brock overcoming the odds by beating Big Show at the Royal Rumble just to qualify for the Rumble match later that night. No momentum was lost. Perfect storytelling with a double turn and Brock becoming SmackDown's top babyface.
Excactly. I rememeber watching the ppv when bigshow beat him, was amazing. And the follow up was great.
I think this is the only time i've ever heard JR cuss, and it's the F-bomb about Hulk Hogan lol
JR is a jackass. Him, Vince, Pritchard, Hayes did a horrible job with talent for like 2 decades.
To have Brock lose to the Big Slow was insane at the time.
Hulk hogan was 50+ years old, a certified goat why would he need to book a brock job it doesn't even make business sense
😂😂😂 "goat"
You're IQ drops several points when you use an acronym and not use periods.
What gets me is Jr gets so angry about Hulk not doing the job. But when Austin doesn't wanna do the job it's a miscommunication. Lol.
He's always been a big time hater phony.
FF to 3:45 for the Hogan Brock talk…
May the Lord bless you and protect you. May the Lord smile on you and be gracious to you. May the Lord show you His favor and give you His peace (Numbers 6:24-26)🤎
Hogan is legend it’s in fashion to bash him but he obviously knew what he was doing
Elementary school teacher - Did you do your homework Terry?
5 year old Hulk Hogan - Homework doesn't work for me brother
JR has no business smoking cigarettes 😳
“Doesn’t work for me brother” -Hogan
Only he did put him over. Austin didn’t though. How about that Jim? Ridiculous title dog piling on a guy everyone already loves to hate
Maybe there's a reason everyone is quick to put Hulk down these days
@@johnnysupreme5718 Yeah, I know. Because he drunkenly said some racist ish in the privacy of a bedroom 15 years ago, so now all the White people who grew up watching Hulk want to virtue signal how anti-racist they are for some social credit points by throwing him under the bus. It’s low hanging fruit and it’s old. Hogan put over Taker, Angle, HHH, Brock and Rock all in the year 2002. He was only 49 so he wasn’t ancient (Taker was still undefeated at WM at 49.) You have a legitimate gripe about how he behaved in 1993 stealing the spotlight twice from Bret Hart but it’s a joke to dog on him during his comeback period. Who did JR’s good buddy Austin pass the torch to on the way out?
@@crispycruiser4654 I don't care about whatever Hogan said in some private recording, so forget that part.
I don't like Hogan because he has a track record of being a selfish narcissist who repeatedly destroyed and buried other talents throughout his entire career purely because he couldn't handle not being champion for more than 30 seconds. Nearly everything he's ever done in the industry has been to enrich himself or feed his own ego, usually at the direct expense of someone else.
Hogan put people over in 2002 because Vince was aware enough to realize Hogan's time was up and the best thing for business would be for him to put new guys over, and actually forced Hogan to do what was best for business instead of what was best for Hogan for once.
@@johnnysupreme5718 You're not wrong about most of what you said about his first run. He did constantly hog the spotlight particularly between 1989 and 1993. Stealing the spotlight from Savage at WM4, Warrior at WM6, and Bret in 1993. No argument here. My point is Jim Ross is picking at low hanging fruit criticizing him for "refusing to job to Brock" when he DID JOB TO BROCK in convincing fashion. Got crushed in a bear hug, the show ended with Brock wiping Hogan's blood on his chest and Heyman begging Brock to release him. JR's boy toy QUIT THE COMPANY when asked to do the same thing. Hogan still had enough creative control in 2002 to refuse to lose to any of those guys. Problem is everybody can rightly criticize him for his first run but nobody can ever have balance and give him credit where it's due. Being a politician was common in those days. Austin wouldn't play ball. Shawn wouldn't play ball. Even the patron saint Bret Hart refused to lose to HBK in Canada (he lies today and says it has nothing to do with that, meanwhile there's tape of him saying it on Michael Landsberg in 1997 and its still on RUclips.) Bret claimed Shawn "owed" him for the win at WrestleMania 12, when Bret was 5-1 against Shawn Michaels in singles matches between 1992-1996. The hate for Hogan is out of proportion. He was a politician in industry of murderers, S3xu@l predators and drug dealers back then
@@crispycruiser4654 I really don't have any interest in defending Steve's exit from the company. I'm just pointing out why people don't like Hogan these days. And I'd argue Hogan assumed he'd do to Brock what he did to HBK and talk Vince into their final matchup with each other having Hogan go over, so he let Brock beat the shit of him at first.
I think the problem wasn't just that Hogan was a politician, it's that he was THE politician; which was combined with his lack of self awareness to constantly destroy any product he had control over after the Attitude Era. Hogan was great in his own time, but when his time passed he tried to keep his grip over the industry even when it moved on. I don't think anyone can deny what he did for wrestling during the Golden Era, it's just that the world changed and he didn't/couldn't.
And saying Hogan is hated more than predators is pretty extreme. I don't think anyone wants to murder Hulk Hogan or wants him in jail or something; he's just developed a really bad reputation in the community and has become a joke because he keeps making appearances where he just makes up random nonsense to make himself look good at the same time watching old wrestling content has revealed just how deep his politicking went in the old days. HBK was a real piece of trash back in the day (worse than Hogan by a mile) but stays pretty quiet these days, has made an effort to portray himself as being a changed person, and is being a positive force in the industry by being a pretty good booker for NXT.
If Hogan was just up front about how much he politicked people would probably respect him a lot more for it.
Please a constant request to stop repeating what Meltzer says. I would rather Conrad repeat something he heard himself say. Sincearly, Everyone.
He’s consulting the WON, what other reference material would you have him use?
Even though I hate hogan for being a premadana for most of his life but he was right for not putting brock over and stone cold was also right. Rock should've done the same thing this guy didn't deserve anything then and he certainly don't deserve it now
Hogan ALREADY put Brock over before SummerSlam that year😂😂😂 OMFG WRESTLING MARKS ARE SO DUMB AND ANNOYING!
You clearly don't know what a mark is son as you're getting bent out of shape about it. The irony.
@@user-qx3eb2jx1p oh look, another Mark thinking they're relevant 😂... Nah kiddo, I'm just simply stating facts.. but of course your MARK ass can't comprehend that
@@user-qx3eb2jx1p ain't it hilarious to hear these younger viewers attempt to talk trash an end stick there feet in there mouths 😂
@@UziBlancoOfficialdorks like you ruin wrestling, you aren't even arguing the point he made but some arbitrary attack. As stated Hogan was already losing to everyone and had already lost to Brock which makes the whole Jr thing absolutely trash.
@@1980Triumph and again.. I simly refer to my previous comment.. thanks have a nice day.. 🤡... "you ruin wrestling" 😂 are you sure your homework is done?? Cuz it better be before ya momma gets home or don't forget, NO SKETTY Os for snack tomorrow!!!!
Conrad is the most annoying podcast host I’ve ever heard.
Heel turns and face turns need to be thought out, because it affects a lot more than that one night crowd pop.
It's amazing for how successful WWE has been how often they've lit money on fire around and a few come from around this period
Completely botching the invasion angle...burying WCW so Sting doesn't come to WWE til way later (never get Undertaker Sting because of it)
Not setting up a proper Austin and Lesnar feud and instead asking Austin to job on free TV
Not setting up a proper Hogan and Lesnar feud and asking Hogan to job again on free TV
Hogan is the biggest star in wrestling history. That’s what stars do and he always got away with it. whoopty doo
I hope Mr Ross is feeling better now
Myself I enjoyed Lesnar vs Big Show if my memory serves I think Vince who was in a let's shake things up mindset sense the summer was still there had built Brock up but now was thinking who could beat him and I think Brock who worked with Show in OVW was the one who said we'll have a great match with each other. Which Brock wasn't wrong the whole point was Brock was a powerhouse who could out muscle anyone but here's an opponent who could beat him. Still love hearing the crowd reactions to the suplexs and when he gets Big Show up for the F-5 the crowd was on its feet, it wasn't a clean win for Show so you get a rematch down the line. I don't know what J.R.'s issue is but it's his opinion and I'm not gonna knock someone like that for his two cents.
Brock got injured IRL and needed surgery, so they had him lose the belt to show.
I understand what everyone is saying about Hogan but people need to remember that Hulk was making another massive run with the belt and had the momentum to keep that run for another 1 to 2 years. Brock slowed it down and could have waited
Brock's timing was impecabble. He was a beast from when he first appeared. He came a good time.
Lol furious that Terry wouldn't lose to lesnar but nothing about the men and women who were being abused under his watch as head of talent
People always say Vince was a master at business and contracts, but he let Hulk Hogan have full creative control.
Lol. Jim is forreal like,
“Ok. So, I’m creeping up on 80 years of age, my wife has been gone for a grip, all I do sit and talk all day….I’m bored as shit.
I think I’m gonna pick back up smokin’.”
Lmao. It’s both sad and hard af.
Time stamp every time buddy says rumour and innuendo
You accomplished making Brock more of a sympathetic babyface. How isn't that obvious? He gets turned on by his manager, cheated by a larger opponent, and has his title stolen away all at the same time.
Stone cold didn't put Brock over either. Also it made no dam sense for Brock to break Undertaker's streak. As much as I hate the "that don't work for me brother" sometimes it's not worth it. No point in making Hogan lose again especially if he already put Brock over...
Conrad do you have to reference a Meltzer star rating to give context to every match? It’s not just pathetic- it’s sad.
Wasn't Brock injured with broken ribs, contributing to the title being taken off him to heal up?
Indeed, he had been injured.
I love how authentic JR is
What are Conrad and JR not understanding about the difference between Hogan wanting to beat Lesnar clean, and The Big Show screwing Brock and only winning because of Heyman's betrayal? That angle worked and lead into the face run for Brock and the feud with Kurt Angle, with Brock in chase mode to regain the title. It also restored some credibility to the Big Show who was languishing at the bottom of the barrel prior. I honestly think it was the best angle they could've done at the time, and it got the title onto Angle prior to 'Mania by Angle beating Big Show as the transitional champ, rather than Brock. I really don't see the issue as Brock was protected by the betrayal angle.
Plus, re: the match going 4 minutes... as someone else mentioned below, Lesnar had broken ribs. And does the match length matter if he was betrayed and Big Show cheated anyway? The crowd already had a LONG Chamber match coming later. If this match has been 20 minutes they would've been exhausted.
Fucking Conrad spoke for only 10s about the whole Hogan/Brock situation. Talk about clickbait dude.
The only reason Austin is different in this situation is because you want it to be. Booker sets the match, wrestler does it or goes home. Thats what hogan did here, thats what austin did. For the company line both are wrong. For their own character and themselves, they were correct.
Mostly agree with JR, more than taking care of the "attraction" its very important to take care of the World Championship. If fans get too accustomed to seeing the title on mediocre stars or seeing the title change too many times in a year, its worthless. There should only be 1 or 2 World Title changes per year.
"Meltzer says." We've established at least one person cares what Meltzer says.
I think Hogan was right, cause they could have a 3rd match and boom Brock wins clean.
JR is full of it. Hogan is over because he didn't lay down most of the time. Go ask all the jobbers out there how losing worked out for them. If losing doesn't matter then why was JR trying to build up Brock's undefeated streak? Why was Goldberg's undefeated streak so important? JR is just talking out both sides of his mouth. Wrestling still needs to be presented as a sport with wins and loses.
Ultimate warrior is another one. It depends on how there characters are built. Hogan like goldberg and lesnar were built as unstoppable forces. They couldnt always lose. But then guys like macho man, rock, ric flair lost plenty of times and didnt hurt them.
John Cena cut a promo before Crown Jewel saying he literally hasn't won a match in like 1000 days. He then jobbed to Solo Sikoa. Who's more over, now? Solo or John?
What about the Miz? Or Shinsuke Nakamura; that guy can't win a match to save his life.
Losing doesn't matter if the booking is good. Hogan is hated by a lot of modern wrestling fans because the fact that he "didn't lay down most of the time" ended up hurting the companies he worked for more than it helped them as he aged.
@@johnnysupreme5718Hogan built up every company he ever works in, but sure.
@@onewarriornation602 I never get the notion that Hogan "hurt" companies he worked with. If that were the case, nobody would ever bring him back.
@@deebo1103 Yeah, that's a 100% Meltzer mark bullshit narrative being forwarded. Hogan put the WWF on the map, put WCW on the World stage and doubled TNA's numbers. He has been a success everywhere he went.
Basement dweller just love parroting Meltzer's bullshit thinking they sound smart.
Conrad sounds like good ole JR, lol
Hogan pushes his walker to the ring..... pokes Brock with TWO fingers..... 1, 2, 3, win! BOOK IT BROTHA!
I love me some legacy guys..... but I absolutely hate watching them get a win over a younger, faster, stronger guy especially when they are so damn limited in the ring due to age the other guy is running circles around them..... you just make the young guy look bad.
Yet he did it and Austin just walked out
Considering that Lesnar lost anyways due to Paul Heyman's betrayal.... I think Vince should've had Hogan beat Lesnar but keep the Heyman betrayal. Make it a heel turn for Hogan and have him paired up with Heyman for s bit. That would've got some heat!
Would have much rather Hogan beat him rather than Big Show
Exactly, show was already burnt as main event guy after the underwhelming run he had as wwf champion & a main event guy, so choosing him over hogan was crazy.
I loved kidman in wcw, what a great cruiser weight, but wcw was smart, and kept him off the mic until the company started breaking down, but as ive gotten older ive learned that kidman is maybe someone i would not enjoy being around
But yet Big Show beats Brock. But I’m not ready to beat Brock. Give me a break.
JR needs to quit smoking.
He quit for years then started back. Wish he would quit for good.
There's no mention of Brock getting injured before the match, if memory serves having broken some ribs (which made it all the more crazy he was able to do the F5 on Big Show). Surely that played a part in the match being short. And maybe even the decision to have him lose?
Just wondering, why does what dave meltzer said matter? He doesnt have anything to do with it. Id rather hear what the shareholders thought of it, as they see the money coming in. He gave the big show lesnar match 2 stars, it sounded like an interesting match to me, more interesting than just 2 guys wrestling for half an hour with 40 false finishes and 20 high spots, that stuff gets old really fast
Hogan was at his very best as a heel in WCW with Hall and Nash. He eventually buried his cheesy Saturday Morning cartoon style from the 80s and became a different person. But because his ego wouldn’t allow, he was willing to burn it all down if he didn’t get his way all the time.
Brock injured his ribs legit at the time, which is what resulted in the switch and the idea to run a heel Kurt Angle against a face Brock at Mania down the line
Why aren’t y’all talking about anything recent going on in WWE
Lol
@@wa2k99 lol
For sure noble was underrated. I really like him. One hell of a worker
He had the nerve to complain about Rowdy Piper
I don’t blame Hulk. You fed all your stars to a guy who left not even 2 yrs later foh.
They could've easily gave hulk one more win in msg & a run with the strap with a flook win over brock just like they did it with HHH then have hulk drop it a month or two later to kurt then he can turn his focus on the mcmahon program.
@@bdot187um better than the big show winning it at survivor series for no reason
It's weird that people care about win/loss records in a fake fight. It's even more weird, when it's a 60 yr old guy in a match with literally, the toughest guy on the planet.
I didn't know about rumors Brock Lesnar vs Hogan for the WWE title at Survivor Series 2002 and why is there * if is right? cause you said refused and don't you think he refused cause he was massacred 3 months before on SmackDown?
With all his health problems Jr still smokes ?
Most the Hulkster fans wanted to see his revenge on Brock. I totally agree with Hogan. He should have been given the win. Yet they let Goldberg beat him in 15 seconds. Whatever
Hogan only made guest appearances. I don't blame him for not wanting to lose. He already lost to Undertaker, Yokozuna, Ultimate Warrior.
Is Jim saying Brock WASNT over?!? 😅
Good. Thank you Hulk
My man JR lit a cig up. 🤣 wtf. Drinking coffee and smoking a ciggy
To be fair...Heyman turning on Lesnar and siding with Big Show planted the seeds to the WM19 main event...I'm sure Hogan vs Brock wouldn't have done that...
What is the deal with the terrible lighting on Conrad?
So let me get this straight, Hulk didn't want to put Brock over. So the back up plan was to have Big show go over Brock and win the title? If that's the case just have Hulk go over Brock. Hulk was still a bigger name than Big show. Maybe it was to build up the big show as a top heel?
Why should hogan get beat. He is bigget than brock was.
“That doesn’t work for me brother”