Jim Ross on Chyna and HHH splitting up and Chyna leaving the WWF
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They did chyna super dirty and never acknowledged her until she passed away
How many of you still watch wwe tho no matter what crafty stuff they get away with
@@Facelessman254 Exactly. There are fans, who'll scream from the rooftop about Owen, about the countless wrestlers who've been screwed outta $, or left with no help for healthcare. The numerous talent, that have been screwed over, through the years, but they're still tuning in every Monday & Friday and buying the network.
Not exactly true, they've mentioned her a handful of times, especially on WWE.com and in several DVD's, such as Smackdown's Greatest Hit's from 2010.
@@empressink_ they may have mentioned her in DVD’s but they treated her like shit when she was actually with the company
@@nickgangsta4life I wasn't even talking about that, I was referring to you saying she was never mentioned. No one's discrediting what they did to her.
I honestly feel like Jim and wwe got rid of her because of stephenie
That’s exactly why. She would of had a longer career and would of had a couple pushes for the wwe title
Jim has basically said as much (without openly saying it).
Thats why Jim is always so defensive on this topic
Pretty much basically.
You know it’s why. Because it got awkward and they wanted her out
WWE definitely could've handled this situation differently. Rest In Peace Joanie Laurer.
Joanie could have worked to be a better her also. It is not the company's job to fix problems for employees.
Except to cause problems to employees 🙄
Part of the issue was him cheating on her. But close to everyone gets cheated on. She should have picked that up and moved on. There were many other guys interested in her at the time and still are.
I always had a soft spot for Chyna. My heart was broken when I learned of her death, such a tragic loss. I feel that her situation could have been handled better by the WWE.
How does it matter u had a soft heart for her or not
Who the hell are you bro 🤓
U r a conman man bro
Lol oh it definitely was Stephanie 100%
Stef n Hunter didn't want her around reminding them of how they screwed her over! I've never been a fan of Hunter or Stef but after I dug deep into Chynas story I was speechless with rage how ALL of them treated her when she was at her most vulnerable! I have no liking or respect for any of them now their treatment of her was disgusting n shameless.
you never met her or spent time with her so you have no idea, what you have is a fantasy, nothing more nothing less.
@@hirawstra8edge137 Just as you never spent time with her. The WWE isn’t going to hire you, so stop kissing their butt. 😒😂
It was definitely done the wrong way. Right when HHH realized he really felt for Stephanie he should've broken up with Chyna before going behind her back.
In principle, you are absolutely correct. But let's be real. Things like this rarely ends pretty.
Easier said than done
Yeah its really nobody elses business.
Thanks captain hindsight
@Markus Steel Wright you mean when Hunter realized he LOVED job security and 🤑
Guarantee Vince considered putting Steph and Chyna in the ring together
WHAT ???? not a chance . If anything he kept them as seperate as possible as he knew Chyna / Joanie would have legit beat the hell out of his precious little girl.
This was pretty much the end of Chyna’s career in sports entertainment. She was betrayed by Triple H and Stephanie and no matter how Ross tries to rationalize it was fired because Triple H and Stephanie didn’t feel comfortable having her around after they betrayed her. She was never really invited back to WWE nor did she get the kind of run she had in WWE anywhere else so yeah it was pretty much the end of her career in the industry.
She made a shot in TNA, which counts right?? 😄
@@generallordjowbra8871 Not really as if memory serves she made her debut by coming out at the end of a pay per view (possibly even a regular show), wrestled one mixed tag team match and participated in a battle royal and then was never seen or heard from in TNA ever again. My memory could be failing me but her run in TNA was equivalent to Braden Walker/Chris Harris’ run in the WWE. Not saying she didn’t work anywhere else but her runs outside of WWE never came anywhere close to the run she had when she was with WWE.
But she could’ve re signed with the company.
More like the end of her life
Hunter and steph didn’t even start dating until like 02. I don’t know why people think that when they’re storyline was happening they were actually an item. Still though, I do think hhh should’ve manned up and told Joanie that she just wasn’t for him instead of doing what he did.
Conrad is a real one for being honest about this situation
A real fat one.
Like many other comments, I never knew they were married, just engaged but whatever. Married, engaged or just together HHH did her dirty. Nobody deserves that.
They were never married....not even close. And no doubt HHH handled it badly, just as millions of other relationship breakups are handled badly.
I have been on both sides of the 'love triangle " thing myself, and it's no fun for anyone involved, and it really fucking hurts when you are the wronged party.
But there comes a stage where you just have to get over it and move on. And that is purely on Chyna. Yes what happened to her sucked, but what happened in the ensuing years is her choices.
@@manbearpig7359 👍
he doesn't even get the respect of ONE capital h, let alone three. I don't believe he deserves a single note of anything from me except disgust for hiding behind his new woman's skirt. If he was EVER a real man, hhh would've ended it with Chyna before the new thing had become physical.
This was a good discussion. I respect JR's response. However it was more business than 'Mental Health' that is talked about these days and to be fair, JR is not qualified for that. I like how Conrad challenged JR in a respectful manner. The power of hindsight is wonderful, however it is just one of those tough situations that is life.
I do think Chyna made her own choices afterward that is on her, however that is another discussion.
You should have top comment for the insight you gave. I wish more people saw it that way.
The thing that gets me is Chyna was a once in a generational lifetime female talent and had the look and prowess to back herself up, and not getting her $1M/year contract was in my opinion not a good move. She would have easily topped any woman on the roster. That $1M would have been a very good investment.
@@CtKEngage Not in 2001 lol. Russo wanted her to win the belt in 1999.. do you really think anyone would be willing to job for her in the main event? Get real.
She was vulnerable n that's why she made those choices! She was mentally n emotionally not in a position to help herself n they just cut her loose! So much for wellness policy they literally threw her to the wolves!
@@PatkaBoy831
I kinda look at JR now kind of like a POS. But he WAS looking for what Right For Business. And also, Chyna wouldn't have been happy in that situation.
HHH and steph built a life at the cost of chynas life , she never recovered after that .
Chyna's inability to properly cope with heartbreak isn't Triple H and Stephanie's fault.
@@theblakemoore of course you are right that HHH was not technically responsible for how she felt/dealt with the breakup, but:
1. HHH would have known about all of her childhood issues with men abusing her.
2. Didn't have to cheat on her.
3. Especially with a coworker/employee all of their mutual friends would know.
@@MaelstromEnergy your right man they are dirty af
@@MaelstromEnergy Triple H also had the option of
1- not being with someone who had more demons than one person can handle.
2- Having loving relationship with a woman who wants (not needs) him & 3 children.
3- The wrestling business is a travelling roadshow where you are on the road 260+ days a year. Its an industry where wrestlers have multiple relationships with others within the industry. She would have been upset with any woman he hooked up with within WWE. Fact is she would have kicked off against any talent on the roster, and with her leverage, would have got that talent fired. What upset her was stephanie is untouchable.
Fact is Chyna needed help, and any how he would have left would have sent her into a tailspin. If they were together and he cheated, thats terrible.
But the marriage vindicates his choice.
Also, from the inconsistencies of Chynas accounts on certain stories, we dont know if Triple H broke up with her (and moved straight on to stephanie) or cheated on. It was not up to Triple H to heal and save Chynas life. Ultimately thats on her. Same as if she made a suicide threat thatif Triple didnt take her back, she will kill herself. That wouldnt be on him either.
Women do this shit to men all the time. Big fucking deal.
Chyna got treated like 💩
Big fucking deal. Women do this to men all the time.
@@FAITHandLOGIC no shit
She also treated others like shit. HHH was terrified of her toward the end. She also claimed XPac R'd her because of the "video". On live radio! She had serious demons and wasn't some innocent pawn in all of this. Still loved her though.
Jim got so mad because I think he knows they could have helped Chyna a lot more or even at all. I’d feel guilty too.
I agree. Being cheated on and dumped is hard. It’s even harder when you have to work with the people, however, people do move on. In the moment it would have been difficult for her, but in time, she’ll move on. Maybe not fully get over it, but she would have made peace with it. To deny her her job as well as her relationship was too much for her to handle. I’m sorry but WWE destroyed that woman.
Agree 100% they fired her cause she had a broken heart and didn't want her affecting the business
Well said spot on
I think it's easy to say she would move on eventually. But when you don't only have a broken heart, you also feel humiliated in that way, you might move on but it makes it nearly impossible to forgive. There likely would never be a time where Chyna could have had a cordial working relationship with Stephanie or hunter.
1 fact kills JR's whole perspective they refused to let her use the name "Chyna" so she could make a living elsewhere. Since she was pushed out due to the affair. They could have at least let her keep her name
They gave her that name.... IF YOU'RE A DETECTIVE and quit your job, to be a Cab driver, YOU THINK THEY GONNA LET YOU USE THE UNDERCOVER VEHICLE to drive as a 🚖......?
I think NOT
@@keithcrockett7838 wow, im having a hard time comprehending the depths of how stupid that analogy is. You are comparing a vehicle (that has high value) to a name (that is totally worthless to anyone BUT Joanie) the wwe would never be able to use that name again its linked to her. They blacklisted her immediatly so the name held zero value to them JR says they had no intention of ever bringing her back. So there was no reason to not let her use it. Wwe didnt come up with the name or gimmick triple h and Joanie did
@@celestialether1184 .... IF you can't comprehend the analogy.... MOVE ALONG.... let someone that does understand SPECULATE....
@@keithcrockett7838 😂😂 move along 😂😂
YOU'RE replying to THEM, you sponge! 😂
The name means fuck all.
Bubba Dudley became the top heel in TNA with an awful name. Joanie could have been a star anywhere, just stick her face on the poster.
The fact is that there was more money in porn, she chose porn over wrestling.
This one hurt. First wrestling tragedy ever where I am able to remotely understand a bit what Chyna must have felt like. The Von Erichs, Benoit, etc felt like out of a movie script. But we all have had our heartbreaks and even though no one has been in the position as Chyna was back then, we all know the despair, frustration, the vices & the thoughts to end it all...
Especially if u have been betrayed by someone you loved. It's more than cheating its that loss of trust. Then her and Paul were like best friends as well. Man I'm trying to imagine myself having to be on the road with these ppl for most of the year after something like this. Then get in the ring try to focus and not seriously hurt someone or myself. I'm not as near as emotionally sensitive as she was but I'd be devastated. Being with the company was building up her self esteem and she found herself and wham the carpet is pulled from under her. Smh
@@901stinababy yes that's pretty sad smh
@@901stinababy she was at her peak in popularity
Great interview. Thank you for speaking up for Joanie. I feel the same way you do, in your presentation of your questions. You spoke up and held steadfast in your (and many fans) beliefs, yet remained respectful of JR. Poor Joanie, this whole situation sealed her fate. Rip.
It's like looking at a father and son having a chat.
😂🤣🤣
Almost the same sounding voice, and similar physical build
Chyna dated Waltman after she was fired. Clearly she could move on. Stephanie didn't want her there!
Laura and X were not together long. He was a rebound fuck buddy. Did porn. It’s common for really hurt ex’s to find someone to smother and pretend it doesn’t hurt.
‘The way to get over someone, is to get under someone else’
In a company I used to work for, a married coworker fooled around. When a fight broke out between his two women, the guy left the company- either fired or forced to resign.
Ain’t that fucked up. Your partner sleeps around and cheats on you and you lose your job. I see the parallels, either way it’s down right sad
Not relatable at all!
“Torn ACL....but it was a torn heart.” Man that was well said.
Poor Chyna, she was a lost soul but a beautiful kind lost soul, even in her darkest days it didn’t seem like she was mad at the world around her
Say what you want about the guy but I will always respect Vince Russo for caring about her and continuing to be her friend when everybody else in the world abandoned and didn't give a shit about her. He was the only person that stood by her.
@@RobwLPOC world is strange isn't it? In one side, you got Vince "Jim Cornettes version ft others" but on the other side, you got Vince who Chyna appreciated as a loyal supportive friend; a very human actions from vince.i don't know which to believe
She more likely hated herself
I felt like JR mocked Chyna, with the crying situation. JR knows how to correct himself. Which he done and continued. Chynas career was ruined because of being in that relationship with HHH even before her contract. When the bosses daughter has her eyes on someone, the other girl is screwed.
JR saying that Chyna cried like Fred Gwynne and impersonating it felt mean spirited
Chyna was very popular at the time and it's very obvious her departure had 100% to do with HHH cheating on her with Stephanie. She found out about it and went to Vince about the issue and then was immediately released. You can say all you want that it was about her wanting more money but I'm pretty sure Steph & Hunter convinced Vince to give Chyna the boot. She was blackballed from the company after that.
You're Probably right, even as a talent that chyna was...the situation best to let her go sadly
Agreed 🍺
She's not even in the Hall of Fame on her own so you know this is a personal issue between her and Stephanie
Don’t forget she fell into another relationship with X-Pac after Hunter, that didn’t end well either
Respect Conrad for calling out JR on this topic because WWE,JR,HHH and Steph did that woman so dirty. Rest in Peace.
Triple HGH handled it like a punk
@smitty jergensons yeah Stephanie didn't play a part in him becoming a main eventer, he arrived there long before that...latching his wheels to HBK's wagon and shameless backstage brown nosing when the Screwjob happened is what largely got him there....and there is an art to that mind you
That dude hhh comes off as a real low life person, & went the easy way out marry the boss daughter! 🐍
@@jeffreyroberson7900 and the two of them have done a bang up job of turning WWE into a shell of what it was by taking advantage of their dementia-ridden father/father-in-law ever since
Triple HGH 😆
Conrad hinted at it but didn’t come right out and say it. If Triple H had left Chyna for anybody else, would JR and Vince have handled the situation differently? If you’re Chyna how do you work for someone whose daughter just took your man and feel secure?
Excellent interview! RIP 9th Wonder Of The World.
She never got over Paul..the year she died she was still at same place cause he was head lining wrestlemania an she was over the edge...feel sorry for her she loved him
They brought back Matt Hardy after the Lita Love triangle
@Jerry 666 Adams Yeah, it was a very different circumstance. Matt, Edge and Lita were more versatile performers and they were clearly able to do business. And I haven't heard that Matt asked for an amount of money that would have been unreasonable.
@Rico lewis .... Yeah, Matt did come right back because of fan support & chants of "HIS NAME" everytime Edge & Lita showed up.... NOBODY was chanting for CHYNA when HHH or Stephanie approached the ring.....
Big difference
@Jerry 666 Adams Lita is living her best life with her boyfriend and people gre up and moved on
that had nothing to do with family McMahon drama
Matt clearly handled it better and didn't go to pieces about it
How WWE would of dealt with her Heart break !!!! make an attempt at least.
ie give her time off alongside Counselling.
Firing Matt Hardy and blame Matt for the Edge and Lita mess ! WWE have there priorities in the wrong place,accept the facts JR.
Matt Hardy?
WWE’s priority Is making money not people’s feelings lol
@@JasonPatterson1981 it’s not “people’s” it’s their own employees that they consistently treat like garbage
@@kattatatatat6361 who cares chyna was a fucking junkie
Bullshit, they could've did WAY more for Chyna!
Name something besides pay her more money?
@@DmanDice Shit they could've brought her in a big part time role at one of the Wrestlemanias.
@@TheLWebb100
I wish she would have accepted that kind of offer. But she wanted more money.
@@DmanDice At least allow her the rights to her name.
I hate to say this, but I believe Joanie would have ended up the same way regardless how it ended with wwf. She seemed to be a very sweet, intelligent person. But she had a lot of mental/psychological/spiritual demons that she just was never able to handle.
Yeah, but they might have low balled her and kept her trademark.
Love this clip. Conrad didn't let JR just excuse the companies actions. Kudos my man. Love JR bs too tho lol
Good job conrad speaking from a fan point of view
Man. JR comparing Chyna's crying to Herman Munster feels so meanspirited
But he wad appalled at the Oklahoma character. Jim Ross is an asshole and needs to retire. He fumbles through commentary now and constantly buries AEW.
@@wrestlingwithart he buries the company that he works for? Wow
@@wrestlingwithart are you mad because he calls out modern wrestling for being stupid at points? Or are you also a fan of the heels and baby faces all waiting for a dive together?
@@teclishighloremasterofhoet7488 annoying or not it’s JR’s job to not call attention to flaws in the production, it’s unacceptable as part of a television crew
Wtf really? Some people have funny ways that they laugh, sneeze or even cry. JR isn’t mean for pointing that out.
In the next breath he says he felt so bad he was almost moved to tears for her. Real mean spirited guy there.
For Chyna to carry the heartache after so many years, she must of really loved Triple H and she must of been so heartbroken for her never fully to heal from that heartbreak... It must have cut her deeply.
she died. and he's making fun of Chyna crying
Take note. I know I did.
Absolutely disgusting thing to do! Not only disrespect her when she was alive their mocking her after she died! I will never see JR the same way again. He's a cold n heartless man soul less.
Absolutely classless. They should have offered her time off and helped her get some help. DUH! I think we all suspect what really happened. JR just can't quite talk about what really happened. He can shoot on everything else without fear but not this. He had his own but to cover.
Conrad was spot on with this. I feel for JR being stuck in the middle of it while trying to conduct business.
So what you're saying is that you lowballed a top talent to get rid of her for daddy's little girl. I get it, sometimes you're just stuck.
They probably did low ball her, not understanding inflation or the women's demand market being quicker. I didn't buy her playboy, but it sold while wwe kept her trademark
This one broke my heart. Really broke my heart. I wish I could go back in time and pull Joanie aside and just talk to her, let her feel listened to.
Me too!!!!
what makes you so special ?? do you not think she had people in her life that tried. But she is going to listen to some strangers from the internet. Got it...
I think the $1 million ask was because she was so hurt and maybe she felt owed as repayment for the loss of bf hhh.
In an interview she did she was asked if she asked for 750 or 850 and they offered her 250 (rumor at the time) and she stated then she didn’t ask for that much. I honestly feel they are saying she demanded a million to make themselves look better in the situation.
@@carend7010 I can so see that.
A million is how much Sable got from playboy. I think Hollywood talent agents got into her head because she was projected to be in Terminator 3 and other action projects, so her asking for 1million would have been realistic. Especially in negotiations were you start high and work down. Essentially Chyna priced herself out of a market because she wanted to wrestle men not the women and was too niche for the market. Add to that the acrimony of the relationship break up and fall out and storylines, easy to remove an expiring contract than please someone who was clearly unhappy and wanted to move onto Hollywood.
It was maybe reasonable because after taxes it was like 800 or 600k. She was more novel and could have fought dudes. The trademark exclusivity mostly seems rough on everyone. I don't think she could find healthy romance and many can not.
Jr plays dumb on some of this to protect his status with the wwe.
Clearly!
@@muriloninja interesting fact that 2 of the original members of dx (rick rude and chyna) both died on 20 April.
i didn't know chyna and big nose were married. i thought only engaged
"Big nose" omg I literally can't hold it 😂😂😂😂😂
@@omzimusic3385 😂😂😂
@Shadow Angel clickbait.
Triple snout
Captain Big👃 Nose! - IS WHAT I ALWAYS CALLED HIM!!!🥸
I am glad Chyna had you to confide in. Joanie didn't have anyone to go to. I don't think she could stay there with a broken heart. Sadly, I believe she was still heartbroken up untill the end.
They did everything to save Stephanie at the cost of Chyna.
I heard Chynas sister said that Triple H treated her very well, but for a couple reasons it wasn’t gonna work out whether or not Stephanie was in the picture.
Maybe because he loves the business more than his relationships. And stephanie is an outlier because she is a part of the family who owns that business.
Chyna didn’t want to have kids and triple h wanted a family so that was a big issue for them
@@theyoungwolf9852 I seen that MTV video where she was talking about getting married and having kids like normal people. I don't think so your statement is right.
@@theyoungwolf9852 HHH has kids now? I think the answer tho this question says your question is N/A
So, her sister knows more than Chyna?
I'm with conrad. She would have got over it in time and Vince should have paid her he owed her that
The guy who beats women telling a woman to get over it
I felt so bad for her r.I.p 9th wonder Chyna
WWE, Stephanie, Triple H, & Vince really did Joanie Laurer dirty. My heart goes out to Joanie. RIP Joanie Laurer.
Wrestling will be around forever, because fans are marks and will believe anything. What happened between HHH and Chyna was PERSONAL, it wasn't WWE's responsibility to interfere in their love life. Stephanie didn't steal anything, can't steal someone's man if he wasn't already looking to be stolen. And no way in hell was she getting a million dollar a year downside. Do you guys even listen to JR? Or just automatically side with Conspiracy Conrad and the almighty word of Dave Meltzer?🤣
While we don't know what went on behind closed doors, but IF the stories are true, then Levesque and McMahon treated Laurer like crap!
But then again, IF the stories are true then Levesque treated EVERYBODY like crap unless he could get something out of them!
Lol, he's a perfect stranger to you. Childish mark.
@@Y2JLionHeart Mark, lol! Do you even know the proper meaning of that term?
Other than what he did with Chyna and their breakup, even some of his friends say he was a dick the way he handled it. I haven't heard people saying he was a dick to people in general. I mean obviously some people hate him some don't , but I've never heard that he had that kind of reputation for treating people badly. Ultimate Warrior on the other hand would treat people just like garbage unless they were Hulk Hogan a lot of times
@@jamesbyersmusic it has to do with chalk and carnival games
I see both sides. Chyna wanted to leave to pursue bigger opportunities, but more importantly, her career lay in the hands of Stephanie and HHH.
I loved Chyna. She was a one in a billion. I believe she deserved a fat paycheck. It's a shame they couldn't make it happen.
They were never married, clickbait.
Maybe there’s something we didn’t know, because JR has clarified that he didn’t say divorce by accident ...
Annulled maybe....
@@keithcrockett7838 that’s what I’m thinking ...
Where in here do you see them stating in the title that they were married?
@@viccrown8188 it used to say divorce instead of splitting up
Conrad, thanks for standing up for Chyna with a logical point of view. They did her wrong, they failed her. It’s cruel, they were cruel to her. She could’ve went to RAW or Smackdown and HHH and Steph could’ve went to whatever show they didn’t put Chyna on. She didn’t wanna be cut loose she said that till her dying day.
She said lots of things until her dying day. She was unwell.
@@Y2JLionHeart your mothers unwell and I already asked your Y2J simping ass to stop commenting on my threads
@@SnowWhiteTheU2 lol childish. You're the one simping, crying over Chyna and acting like WWE killed her.
Some of hunters buddies even told him he was a asshole handling it the way he did.
@@Y2JLionHeart dude you’re on every post about her and Jericho. Obsessed weirdo get a life and stop commenting on my shit
I hope you are this honest when they do a Dark Side of the Ring on Chyna
This has got to be the daftest managerial logic I've ever heard.
Her partner was cheating on her and was clearly struggling mentally so the best option is to fire her to save HER that hassle. Do me a favour.
What she needed was empathy, understanding and support from her employer (really not much to ask) in a difficult time in her life. Not be punished for something she didn't ask for.
This is typical WWE behaviour and puts yet another spotlight on how poorly they treat their 'staff'.
As much as I like JR, he completely fucked this up and (albeit harsh to say) played a massive part in her down fall and death.
Chyna was a wreck mentally. As harsh as this is, it's not JR's job to fix her or pacify her. He has a business to help run. JR just said she was crying all the time about this. It's up to her to handle her issues in a professional manner, separate personal issues from business. If she can't do that she can't be a part of the business.
@@thecriticalcynic2022 it wasn't the late 90s 🙄 TF are you on about?
Jr is cold. He really got it right back in spades when Vince threw him in the trash…
They got rid of the most dominant woman wrestler in history cause it bosses daughter shm
I'll rather see Chyna over stephanie any day
Agreed. We lost Chyna too soon & got 2 decades & counting of Stephanie. Not a good trade! Lol
💯% AGREE!!👍👍
So sad when things fall apart and never get rectified.
She was a legit wrestler... the women's division now to me is a joke
Too bad WCW or ECW was no more. Both companies would of used her well I believe
That's why she went to TNA.
@@marka.graffakasnakebitenat3736 That was until 2011. I wonder why she didn't go there earlier. She did do a couple of matches in New Japan in 2002.
And to think she almost signed to WCW in 96 cuz Nash wanted her with NWO but Shane convinced her to wait til Vince hired her. WCW had already drawn up a contract without even meeting her yet.
@@901stinababy In hindsight you probably would've fair better in WCW personal wise. And made more money because they were just throwing cash at wrestlers.
@@DarksaberForce and WCW was still kicking their asses in ratings at the time. I probably would have just threw the deuces at Shane. Makes you wonder how different the WWE would be if she would have went to WCW instead or her career.
Thank you for defending chyna
JR had a job to do and he did it. He can't be held accountable for someone else's problems. Take the emotion out of it. It's a business.
Exactly, business... (as much as this story seems like it), these aren’t children in a school.
Some people have pointed out that John Laurinaitis isn't the ass-whole he gets made out to be. He's got to be the one that breaks it to you when you're fired, you're going to be mad at him even if he had nothing to do with this decision
Yes he Can be blamed!
Considering how this ended...just be quiet, this isn't the first sly thing he was part of.
Big facts!
Really don’t like how Jim’s making fun of the way she cried.... that tells you all you need to know on how the WWF felt about her .... do better JR
Jr. seems like an awesome guy but this one is a headscratcher. It’s almost like he didn’t like Chyna but won’t admit it.
@@bradr3541 what do you mean ''awesome''? LOL JR has ALWAYS had a chip on his shoulder as if he the smartest kid in class lol Plus I never got what people saw in his commentary. His voice always irked me hahaha
@@darnellmajor9016 then why are you here
IIRC from reading the Newsletter from that time.
• She was asking for a lot of money (Like JR acknowledged here).
• She didn't want to work with any other women (She didn't like working with Lita, which was her last feud).
• She wanted to work exclusive with Male Superstars and Her goal was to be WWE champion.
All these demands were ridiculous.
JR stated crystal clear that he didn’t want to deal with her emotions. Not to mention he made fun of her crying.
Yep. That was an asshole thing to do.
Yea that was pretty low of JR. Of course she was ugly crying, her god damn heart was broken
@@derjude5758 Right... I just don't even understand what he was trying to achieve by going there. Its very poor taste.
@@GreenLantern141 way to keep the high ground 🙄
@@GreenLantern141 at least he's still alive
HHH wanted to marry into a empire in his mind. He loves the empire and not Stephanie. Chyna was crushed and HHH could care less because he knew that he would sit atop the empire. HHH has blood on his hands and always will till the day he dies.
Chyna deserved $1Million Dollars per year. Even met Joanie with a new contract over of $890,000 Thousand Dollars for the first year resigning with Perks. Now that's far, because Joanie/Chyna is/was indeed 9th Wonder of the World, a Lady of Elite Talent for shő. Rest In Peace/Rest In Paradise Joanie. 🖤💛
She wasn't worth a million. She was never going to sell out arenas or sell millions of pay per views.
Conrad and Jim we’re simply meant for each other
Chyna could’ve done so much more if:
1) she forced WWE to elevate the women’s division in order to keep up with HER, instead of refusing to work with the females… thus not elevating anyone.
2) got over the break up.
cant force interest in the womens division... we all know that the womens matches were hoping a bra came loose, and not serious wrestling, because lets face it, it's not very good. Chyna, who is a medicinally enhanced physical marvel, had an extremely limited move set compared to say, Lita. you cant polish a turd, and thats why she wanted to work with the guys. i wasn't a fan, but she was effective at what she did with the male wrestlers.
There's a video I once saw, and I can't find it for the life of me.
Someone asks Stephanie what her biggest regret was. She said: letting Chyna go.
I love Chyna so much. What an icon ! Truly the beat woman to have ever graced a professional wrestling ring. So groundbreaking. Just the total package. She is missed greatly. I think HHH loved Chyna and that was his soul mate and vice versa, but he did what he had to do because unfortunately he loved the business more than he could ever love another human.
If that was his soul mate they would be together. He loved Stephanie and his career more.
@@BrandonGavin_EDC EH wrong. He loved the company more. He can’t even stand Stephanie. Do you see any of their interactions not in character ? Lol. HHH went around telling everyone in the business when he first got there “one day this all gonna be mine”, and he meant it. He would’ve sold his first born to the devil. When he talks about Chyna you can see the love and sadness in his eyes. So ya, thanks for your opinion but it’s null and void. Next
@@SnowWhiteTheU2 👌 boss whatever you say. Next....
@@BrandonGavin_EDC exactly like I said, next. Cya
@@SnowWhiteTheU2 you’re a douchebag
Conrad with the hard questions. Wow. I like it. Cornettes guy brian would never push him like this.
Unless it involves a hot tub
I wish Chyna wouldve took that $750k...... TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF...... she would've recovered.... I know she would've..... she was beautiful AF Man...... REST IN HEAVEN 9TH WONDER 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
He was saying he DIDN’T offer her 750. He just let that demand go. She could have stayed for some kind of “good” money, but it probably wasn’t near that.
@@datacipher 2:57...... "But I will do 750k".....🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@garrenturk4093 the tone was, she priced herself out. But even if she got the money she wanted, the relationship was beyond repair and would only get worse with the animosity. Chyna couldnt and wouldnt move on.
hhh the smartest wrestler ever he knew what he was doing
He gambled and won. I mean if it did not work out with Steph he would of ended up like Chyna.
@@googleuser7374 facts
Conrad was about to turn heel on Jim
Conrad is good on these podcasts. I think he personally agrees with what the company did, but he takes the opposite position to get the discussion rolling.
Seriously? I don't think so...
I found it a bit strange that her last match was 6 whole months before her contract was up and she still had the title. All of a sudden shes off TV. Whose idea was that?
That’s what I would like to know… it was so abrupt. There was an old article from July 2001 I found online a while back that said contract negotiations with her had officially ended. But that was a tumultuous time for the compact because of the WCW buyout and the Invasion angle
Mad respect to Conrad for saying what he did about how they could have looked her like an asset who got injured physically and invested in simply letting her heal while still under contract for 6 months or looked into rebuilding something down the road.
But didn’t they do that in a sense? She was made an extension offer with a raise on her downside that she declined because she wanted to $1M base downside. And even when she was sent home around May or June 2001 she was still kept under her contract through the end of November 2001 when it expired where she was paid and continued to be paid her royalties for the years that followed. So that was five months or so. And as he said if she wanted to return the door wasn’t outright closed.
She also wanted to pursue the other roles and endeavors. It’s not solely fair to say that they didn’t give her any chance because they didn’t agree to give her the $1M downside base for her. Her not trusting the incentive pay scale is understandable but people thinking that they didn’t give any chances because they didn’t grant that request and the increase to her downside extension offer and the five months she was able to stay home and be paid out her existing contract, and she likely could have come back to them and said she would like to stay, wasn’t giving any chance isn’t fair. Her sister who spoke about things that were confirmed true said that a few years following the events Chyna told her that she regretted handling it how she did and not accepting their offer. Because sadly not longer after she had left she started doing things that basically took her chance of returning away.
Problem was there wasnt that story on her part. So theres always 3 sides of the story. Hers, WWE and then you got the truth somewhere in the middle of it. @@Matt-cr4vv
WWE has been historically known for allowing relationships in the workplace. Love is personal & there is a mental aspect that accompanies being in love. You can't bring your personal life to work & you can't bring your professional life home. Breakups & heartbreak is something everyone has dealt with at a point. The question was would Chyna be an asset or liability in the WWE in the future? Honestly it didn't sound like Chyna frame of mind was right & that's why Chyna was released.
Chyna admitted in an interview that she didnt do well in relationships. Ivory and others have stated that chyna was a mean person due to her own insecurities.
You have to take everyone else opinion with a pinch of Salt bc, most of them were jealous of her position at that time in the company.
People criticize WWE over this, but if Chyna had gone away for a, done Dancing with the Stars, done SNL, and had a role in a Fast and Furious movie, and then returned to WWE two years later, no one would give to shits about this one failed contract signing. WWE could not have predicted what Joanie was going to do when she left, nor would it be their responsibility to protect her from herself or the people she spends time with. Her story is sad, and I feel for her, but placing the blame on WWE is simply incorrect.
Her & Sarah bass died a year apart. If you watch MTV’s true life I’m A Wrestler it shows Chyna & Triple HHH’s relationship it was so cute
Big love to you JR you're a Topman 👍 and you know the business inside and out
Different era then. They should have at least offered her a limited open contract, just to not give her the old 'heave ho', especially given the circumstance of the bosses daughter being involved. Chyna was a major draw and should have have been more protected. I get it, it's business, though she was done really grimy.
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With Chyna's emotional issues, is there any way to justify even with the money they have now keeping you on payroll for possibly years in hope she get over it? I mean this obviously made her problems a hell of a lot worse, but she had a lot of issues in the first place. I love Chyna huge fan of hers but man.. I don't know if she ever would have gotten over it completely or enough that wouldn't be an awkward situation.
It reminds me of when Conrad and Eric Bischoff we're watching the WWF Invasion and Conrad pointed out a lot of people thought they should have waited another year until the other contracts came up and Eric pointed One thing I never considered but the other one's kind of an obvious problem with that
1. I guess you could do that, but that means you got to start paying all the guys that that are coming over the company now for a year without being on TV, the company being bought with fresh in everybody's mind if you wait a year it doesn't mean quite as much
2. after that year even though they did come over eventually, what guarantee do you have that those people are going to sign with your company? You can wait a year and none of them decide to join or decide to go and work in Japan or something. You would be taking the steam off the story based on hoping something would happen.
major draw? lol
@@FatMenace I wasn't a fan but she seemed to have niche following.
There are two people you got to give respect for when it comes to Chyna during and after this time. One shouldn't be much of a surprise to anyone would do something like that, the other one is somebody people love to hate but he deserves respect at least as a person for it.
1 Road dog. When this happened with Hunter and Stephanie, He put himself in a really hard position and sat in a chair in her hotel room to keep an eye on her all night while she cried on the end of the bed
Criticize his writing etc all you want I agree with you probably on 99% of it., but in this situation I salute him as a human being.
2. Vince Russo. When Chyna's life went into the toilet, all her friends and all her family abandoned her. The one person who kept in touch, was there for her to talk to when she needed someone and looked out for her was Vince Russo.
Regardless of anything else, I will always give him massive fucking respect for being the only person who didn't abandon her, stayed her friend and continued to care about Chyna when nobody else on the planet gave a crap about or wanted anything to do with her.
Where is the interview where Road Dogg was talking about it? I know her and Billy were close, hell on camera they looked like a couple he was always so affectionate with her and she spoke on how he risked his job for her.
@@901stinababy no that was Chyna on Skype or whatever with Vince Russo doing like an interview and they were discussing it. They're the ones who talked about Road dog doing that for her her and what a good guy he is
I never considered that either before. That must have been a really tough spot for both Billy and Road Dogg cuz they liked both people
I never heard that before. I've always heard he's a pretty good guy but respect level for him went up 10 notches when I read that. That was the same one where she mentioned that to listening that Russo was the only person who stuck by her through everything
@@901stinababy Russo and Chyna did that interview talking about both those things right after Triple H made the we can't put her in the Hall of Fame because some kid might Google her comments. Russo started out saying that he actually always like Hunter and he had never had a problem with Hunter at all, he did have a big problem with this statement
I'd add Foley & Stone Cold to the list. Still not a long list, but I always give props they were supportive.
Mick Foley seemed to keep in touch with Chyna a bit and there's even a vid on here where she spent the afternoon with his family, who seemed to love her. And there's also a vid where he's at her place & reading comments from her fans to her.
Stone Cold wasn't a bff or anything, but he & Chyna got along as co-workers and he talked about how they both shared a weird sense of humor that only they would get. He thought she deserved to be in the HOF and he & Mick were working with her former manager to get her into rehab while she worked on her documentary but she sadly overdosed while they were getting things together,. Stone Cold talking about how he felt when he got the phone call was heartbreaking.
@@SilverWolf442 yeah I remember that he explain even with her faults choices she had made in life his wife said she's more than welcome over cuz mothers don't forget things like how sweet Chyna was to their daughter.
Russo would actually talk to her like every couple days what to check in on her and stuff but yeah I definitely agree Nick never said he wasn't going to have anything to do with her I agree with that.
I don't know if Stone Cold and talked to her in a long time I can't remember her ever being on his podcast even before her death. He did always speak highly of her and mentioned even though they weren't overly close that they would always sit down they had very similar sense of humour and chat at the events all the time
I felt most sad hearing of her death from any other wrestler. You knew she wasn’t in a good spot. She was lonely. But she was so good & loved.
I don't normally leave comments but I have to on this one. I broke my wife's heart a little over a year ago and I hated myself for it but also knew I couldn't fix the mirror I had broken. I couldn't put it back together so I left and we ended up divorcing last spring and she killed herself last August. Broken hearts are hard to put back together just like a broken mirror. People can say I must not have loved her but I did and that's why I've been ate up with guilt since the day I left. Now I have to carry the weight of her death the rest of my life. Everything we do has a domino effect and good or bad those dominoes will keep falling to the end. I wouldn't wish the feelings I'm going through on anyone. She was beautiful and wonderful person and the only person I ever loved in my 45 years. We knew each other since the 3rd grade and I was a life long bachelor that can't have kids so when we got married in our late 30's I finally had a family. Something I never thought I'd have. Then one day I let my weak mind take over and made the worst mistake of my life. Hearing JR talk about Chyna kinda hits home with me. You never know where dominoes can take us in life. My one mistake led to me everyday visiting the grave of the only woman I ever loved and not being able to move on now. It took longer for Chyna but alot like my wife I think the dominoes from her heartbreak led to her death as well. It's obviously a no brainer.i lived most of my adult life never falling in love and living that bachelor life and from out of no where boom it hit me and the power was unstoppable. Such a double edged sword. I feel bad for both sides of this story. Sorry for my long comment and I wish everyone a good day. Thanks
Hope you’re doing better now
A million dollars for Chyna ? Lol 100 % right call on letting her ass go
They were never married.
I wanna like this guy. He is just such a company man though. The last guy you want to see walking up to you if you work there. He isn't coming to tell you are doing a good job.
One of the greatest announcers...but definitely a company man all the way...and also, in many ways a hatchet man for Vince...which makes his apparent hurt feelings about the hatchet job they did on him seem kind of ironic.
When the boss's daughter is in the equation all bets are off.
Had WCW existed at that time, they would've found a way to keep under contract and they would've given that extra money (whether JR would admit or not)...like Paige rn and and HBK back in 99-02
WCW DID exist during the Attitude era. The network war hadn't started. Chyna had left WWE about a year before Nash and Hall jumped to WCW.
@@youtubemusicowesmemoney8470 Chyna left in 2001, Hall and Nash went to WCW in 1996.....delete this lol
I don't think Jim should be apologising for the way he manages. Ultimately your always going to upset somebody. Doesn't mean you're wrong
The product was good when JR was in managing, so he was doing something right...
@@generallordjowbra8871 They had better writers, they didn't have a PG rating hanging over their heads, they didn't have McMahons trying to position in politics, it was a different time. JR is and will always be old skool. He is the way he is, and that's what makes him Good Ol JR.
@@metpach Vince Russo had some guy giving him shit for saying he was the reason the Attitude Era was so good, he shot back that he has never claimed that, and if anybody it was Jim Ross who is the biggest reason for the success in that time because of the roster he put together. There was never a roster with that much talent on it not to mention the rock and stone cold hitting a level of stardom only Hulk Hogan hit ever hit before that. He knew he could write anything and the guys on that roster were going to hit it out of the park.
One thing I want to argue is, you watch all of Joanie's family members and people close to her, they'll tell you she was forever haunted by Paul Levesque because she forever viewed him as the love of her life. Her other relationships never panned out, she never married. So JR's reasoning he explains, be it the truth or bullshit he came up with after the fact, was it wrong? All of that doesn't even include how Stephanie played into the decision.
Alright JR drops a F-bomb for the first time I have ever heard him do!