Jim Ross shoots on Sable quitting and Suing the WWF
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I love JR’s analogy of Sable. “She wanted to be the QB, we needed a WR.”
Sable was a genius while Vince and Russo were idiots. Jim Cornette has the best take on this.
Simpppppppppppp
???
Sable was a penis-sucking harlot who used her looks & sexuality to get what she wanted! Sable got away with shit that other female talent would not get away with! Thinking she was as popular as Austin just proves how delusional she was!!
How on Earth was she a genius ? She came back the second time and was made a joke of. They made her do everything she quit the first time over. Lesbian angle ? They put her with Torrie and made them kiss. Taking bumps ? They put her in multiple matches and exposed how bad she was in the ring. Among other things
@@SnowWhiteTheU2 don’t feel bad for sable she knew what she was doing she looked pretty comfortable taking her clothes off
This is why Vince doesn't let anyone get over anymore. The problems with Sable, Austin walking out, HBK throwing his fits, Bret not dropping the title, Rock leaving for Hollywood right when Vince was relying on him to lead the company since Austin was gone, etc etc. Vince will never let anyone get over ever again.
If that’s the case, it definitely makes one wonder.
you ran down all the facts here
So you think Vince regrets letting Cena be the poster boy for so long now, now that Cena left for Hollywood?? Who's to say Roman Reigns won't do the same?
You can't blame these guys..they can make as much or more money on a movie set for 2-4 weeks or more than on the road for months and giving your body a utter pounding..not rocket science that popular wrestlers who have acting talent would move on before injuries or age crepts in.That's just good business decisions for the wrestlers.
I say this all the time and add in CM Punk as well. Cena played company man long enough he’s fine but Vince will cut off Sasha Banks momentum when she first came up, Bray Wyatt twice and anyone else that gets too hot just in case they become too big too fast
Dark side of the ring should let you know that there is always more to what they try to tell you including good ole JR
You shouldn't trust any version to be honest. JR or Dark Side of the Ring. Everyone has an agenda of some sort. Documentaries are about as real as the WWE is.
@@DrHDoofenshmirtzphd i dont i cross reference most of the stories and find some holes often. I believe we are in agreement that if you just take everything at face value its risky
As a homeless person, 800 grand is life-changing money.
Or just spend it and don't worry about tomorrow
As a working class person, 800 grand is life changing!
@ConwayTwittera drug dealing business maybe
In 2023 800 grand isn’t a life-changing money. Especially if you have nothing as soon as you start buying things taxes start to come into play. Money management start to take effect most people wouldn’t know how to handle that kinda of money. I’ll be there first to admit I don’t and it isn’t something you can learn to do over night
You still homeless? 😂
Thats what happens when the boss and the writers are obsessed with you
"White cotton panties!" -Vince McMahon, via Jim Cornette 🤔😂🧐😂🤣😭😳
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I got suspended from high school for a week for trying to find those playboy picks back in the day lol...
@Pepe Aguilar 😂😂
Old head
Legendary 😂
My brother was in the army and had just came in for the weekend. As he's unloading he throws the playboy at me, I was so excited I was hugging him and I was 14 at the time. My friends would come over just to look at it.
@@ianmeadows956 Its possible I may still have that issue. I have a few yrs worth so I might still have that one
Who else remembers the Luna with Goldust(Sabledust) vs Sable rivalry?👍Luna and Goldust were great.
that was a great storyline
Luna should have won the Woman's Title but Sable would forget to bring it to matches then go cry th Shane McMahon. That was so unfair to Luna. Heard this from interview with Luna and Gandreil.
I loved that rivalry
She was a legend in her own mind.
Just another hot blonde. I actually think Sunny was a much better looking chic.
Sable is a legend what do you mean
She is a legend to be honest
@@bartsullivan4866 Both couldn't wrestle worth crap. nothing but blonde platinum dolls, hard to screw that up.
Torrie Wilson is hotter than both
In the words of Hacksaw Jim Duggan... HOOOOOO
If Chyna had lowered her number, I think she would have been brought back - but for reference sake, Austin is still the highest profitable earner for WWE ever, even 30 years on.
Hulk Hogan made more money 💰.
The ratings drop for the rematch headliner PPV could have also been bc it was a rematch… Not gonna be as exciting as the original, especially bc it was Austin’s first big defense
The WWF would have been the same without Sable. It would have not been the same without Austin
850k in 1999 wasn’t “life changing” money? 🤨 I beg to differ. Hell, in 2022 that’s life changing money
Not when you're already making hundreds of thousands of dollars it isn't.
@@TheDeath138 and she wasn’t. And outside of WWF, she wouldn’t be in 6 figures.
Sable and sunny were my favorite back in the day
I believe JR was apart of the politics. He is way too sensitive
10:48 this reminds me of a part on a Dave Chappelle special when he says “you apart of the heist you just don’t like your cut.” 😂
The “guy” that threatened to beat her up was Luna Vachon.
Wait they said a guy threatened to beat her up ?! Lol
@@SnowWhiteTheU2 steve Lombardi
@@michaelallanrubin2376 I’m crying why did he do that
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Steve hates women
850k isn't life changing money?..... Man rich people are delusional.
exactly what i was gonna comment...to me 50k would be life changing
Its shocking to hear people like Chyna and especially Sable thinking they should get Austin money at that time
@Marshall Welch I agree. I think it should be, she wanted the amount of money with basically no work from her. She wanted to be champ but not wrestle. She wanted to only appear on ppv/tv (certain tv like Raw but no wrestling , no appearances lesser shows), no house shows/dark matches, etc.
Saying this as someone who was a fan but she really held the title/division hostage in her 1st run
Why shocking? Leaving both outside personalities, both were top talent. Women shouldn’t make less if they draw. Not saying Austin money lol but i dont doubt both should have been more.
@@ManInBlack1988Oh, no!
STONE COLD! STONE COLD STUNNER!
Austin drank with me once. 😊
Let's face it, they were on enough. Sable wasn't putting asses in seats in the arenas, Austin was....
Then that's different. Austin, rock, Hollywood, goldberg. Those are the only guys who should've made par money in that 98-99 era. In 96-97, only Hollywood. In 93-95, nobody. From 90-92, hogan and warrior. 87-89, hogan and macho. 83-85, hogan only. The list is very short of ppl who should get hogan or Austin type cash. She wasn't rungs below that.
Sable along with Ultimate Warrior was Vince's creations he was the deciding factor in their booking good or bad.
So was Money Making Malone..
Wasn’t a Sable fan, but suspect that she should have got more money. I like wrestling for wrestling, Sable didn’t really wrestle and I just got the feeling that she had the attitude of a teenager working at McDonalds, she didn’t really want to be there and felt that she was too good for the place. The attitude era didn’t focus on the wrestling, so this gave Sable’s argument more credibility, so personal feelings aside, I think she should have got more money.
Meh what other job is she going to make close to a million a year strutting around the ring once a week?
@@Matt-cr4vvwhere do you think that money is going to go? Vince and the investors. Was she paid a lot? Yes, she was, and Vince was paid even more. She became a millionaire, yes, while Vince became a billionaire.
And now she’s essentially making millions from WWE through Brock Lesnar 😂
lol whyyyoooo
@@mikabass Wow I had no idea, what in the world
How did I forget Brock is pounding it out now?? 😂
Not millions, but we get your point.
Yup
Jim Cornette calling Sable the female version of the Ultimate Warrior is very applicable here.
@Christopher Tracy cornette has done more in and for wrestling than most anyone...especially a 40yr old plastic bimbo showing her fake tits and over aged meat flaps and a self indulgent roided up shit human being that couldn't wrestle worth a fuck...
He also said that the difference between her and and sunny was that Sunny was out front being a word that rhymes with hunt why stable only tried to keep it hidden
@@tomwigal8856 I think the word is c*nt
Gotta love Jim Cornette.
At least Warrior could do SOMETHING in the ring (even if it was only like 5 moves, still better than Sable), do a cool entrance, and cut promos that, while nonsensical, still managed to be entertaining. Sable was only a look and nothing else.
Sable had merit she was as popular as Stone Cold at 1 point. Regardless of who actually may have been more talented or prettier.. There was some biased to women, they did the same thing to Chyna during her contract negotiations.
Ironically enough she ended up MARRYING the next big thing
I never understood the attraction of Sable! smh! Also, JR is right about that payoff, if you are already making hundreds of thousands a year how is $800k pre-tax isn't life changing at all.
I do understand the attraction to her lol.
She always looked over done up. Not Sunny hot, another blonde with big tits.
Here’s my question that they could have asked to shut her up, who is more valuable and more important to the company’s future and their bottom line at the time? Sable or Stone Cold?
What if Austin was the won who walked at that time instead of Sable?
"..but we needed a wide receiver" I chuckled at that line bc of my dirty mind.
Alternate title for this video: “Sable believed that X-Pac’s feces in her bag were worth $140 million in damages.” 😆🤣😂
That alone made him hall of fame material
It’s funny that J.R. mentions Pam Anderson, cause she and Sable actually DO have something in common: each is approaching their mid-50’s and have been out of the limelight for YEARS on end now
Both of them were over (On tv shows, in the ring, among other things) in the 90’s, especially Pam.
Pam seems like she's a way nicer person than Sable.
Ok
And after all this..she came BACK and did kind of the same thing that she sued them for and/or 'didnt want to do'
This is word for word by Stephanie McMahon on TV when sable wasn’t introduced as her assistant
Waiting on the self destruction dvd...
Never happen with her married to Brock
Sable, Chyna, and Trish sold more merchandise than most wrestlers EVER. But they shouldn’t be paid as much as Austin, honestly selling a half naked poster of Trish is cheaper and easier then an Austin T-Shirt. And “The Boys” put their body thru more for their spot. Trish and Chyna got injured sure, but Austin money?
How was her showing up on Nitro the low road, when she left WWF was she not suppose to ever work again?
Jim Ross has stated many times how he hated working for WCW. Of course he'd be biased in his opinion.
@@ladyruler9585 and id also bet tht he means the way she done it, not so much working for them in general though I know Ross did hate his time there and wasnt to keen on Bischoff , but who in their right mind really is? Lol
I would’ve offered her $316,000 and and if she rejected, I would say, “That’s the bottom line...”
You really thought that was gonna be funny, huh?
@@StonewallStacks I found it kinda funny lol
That was funny
It was a little funny.
Like what u did there? 👌
Sounds like Sable had a valid point if she was a draw
Somber thought that future husband Brock Lesnar was wrestling at University of Minnesota at that time.
He probably seen that Playboy pic. and told teammate, Shelton Benjamin, "Sheldon, I'd love to hit this."
Sable was only popping because the 98 roster was a sausage fest .. shes not all that.
90s Sunny >>> 90s Sable
@@2resPurrAectCion Hell yea
Debra was better
Sable wasn't pretty at all
@@2resPurrAectCion sunny was unattractive too didn’t she have A cup boobs ? Uh if you think that’s hot oh okay 👌🏾
Sable knew to get a bag before her looks faded and she was replaced by a younger women
But she married Lesnar...so she still got the money either way
Sable did nothing but stand there. No love for the business or even the willingness to learn.
She drew money. I hated her but lets call a spade a spade. She drew eyes and with eyes came money
the evening gown matches of hers was good.
Very true, but back then, when the audience was 90+ percent guys 18-35, they didn't care that she couldn't wrestle. All they cared about was "She's HOT!!!!"
@baby Maharaja Lita and Trish did a better job. 🙂
No, you are way off base. She did learn to wrestle more down the road. The Sable Bomb? Someone had to have taught her that.
I don't like to complain about advertising on a free podcast. But dam, there were a shit ton of advertisements in this clip
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Who else received a perfectly timed colonel sanders kfc ad that answered one of Conrad’s questions?
Sable just thought she was better than she was, and when she came back the second time she realized that really fast lol. Debra was better
Debra did not draw anywhere near as much
@@BlackNerdist lmao yes she absolutely did
@@SnowWhiteTheU2 no freaking way
Never thought Debra was anything special. Stacy Keibler and Molly Holly were way hotter!!
Trish Stratus was the GOAT.
To bad Instagram and OnlyFans wasn’t around that time. Sable could of cut off Playboy and WWE from taking her money, all third partys couldn’t take her money she would of grossed $100Mill easily.
Nobody is making that on onlyfans that’s a tactic to get women to sign up
She got $850K from this shoot but imagine the multiples of that she would’ve made by staying in WWF and getting the paydays with how on fire the company was. And if she’d cut them into the deal she still would’ve had a big check from the shoot. Short sighted move on her part.
The fact Chyna and Sable asked for Austin money is absolutely laughable. Thankfully she married Lesnar so she’s set for life
That's gets you thinking if sable even wanted leaner maybe for the money lol
Chyna is one thing, because she actually did compete in the ring with the men in top of posing for Playboy.
But Sable? 😂 Man, go to the park!
Chyna I can understand. She was a damn beast and pushed herself to learn and even WANTED to compete with the men. And she posed for playboy.
Chyna was no where near Austin’s level nor was she near as popular. Not to knock her she was cool and a pioneer in a way, far more than sable, but no where near Austin.
@@paoerfulone1089 Chyna posed for Playboy much later. Sable was second in numbers before The Rock and paved the way for the women doing Playboy. You're deluding yourself if she wasn't a draw.
Back when I was still paying for WWF / WWE pay per views, Sable was never a consideration in the decision to pay for any of them.
Lol yes. Getting naked would work maybe once or twice, but after that people would be like whats next. Plus, if she stayed just 1-2 more years. She will quickly realized she will become very irrelevant with the arrival of Lita & Trish. Both beautiful sexy women who could actually wrestle and are willing to take bumps, unlike her lol.
Same
@@secrets.295 Lita is my favorite. Maria Kanellis second! 😁😎😉🤔🧐🤪
And that was just your singular experience. She was beyond OVER OVER.
Exactly you wanted to see the big matches and she was never a part of those. She was a side gimmick a pretty blonde with big knockers.
HOLY SHIT!! No wonder they were called "Divas" It's bad enough that Chyna asked for top Austin $, after all, she was an in ring preformer, BUT SABLE asking for Austin $?!! WTF?!!!!
I think she deserved it, a large part of the audience at the time were horny af😂😂 and watched the show because of women like Sable who was portrayed as a sex symbol.
@@jaleelshivers226 well I'm 42 so 😂😂 I was 1 of the horny AF but for Sunny 🤣
@@jaleelshivers226 Sable was BAD FOR & TERRIBLE @ doing "Business" as it was referred to in the industry, from what I've ALWAYS heard
@@jaleelshivers226 I loved Sable as a kid but I watched for HBK and Austin and Kane. I’m watching back right now and I’m mad Sunny is about to leave and Sable is getting pushed it’s sad and obvious she shouldn’t be the one smh she’s absolute boredom.
I don't know how he can claim to have paid her fairly I'm sure they kept most of the money from her merchendising like they did most wresters. I bet she moved mountains of mercy like no other WWE talent though. They never had anything like her before so she was is unknown territory.
Not heard this all yet BUT has JR ever spoken about how Sables Return came about? & what was internal reaction to her return?? Also some talents reaction Jackie for example
Iirc, it’s been said she actually reached out to Vince/WWE.
Marc Mero has a few interviews out, they were still together when she came back in 2003, and he was shocked when she reached out to return.
I’m assuming the lawsuit didn’t work out in her favor, outside of a few minor roles/appearances the Hollywood career didn’t pan out, etc., why else would she initiate a possible return especially with how she left?
I’ve wondered about how others thought of her return too. The women still there (Terri, Jackie, Ivory) from when she 1st left were on Raw, she returned to Smackdown. General consensus though seemed to be she was a different person (in a good way) than her 1st run.
@CyberJawa1986 she landed well with Brock, I do wonder if she's all about the money? Yes, I'm very curious to find out what the others thought, lol thanks for the update
@@johnfinnie1181 no problem 🙏
I’d honestly like to know what Ivory and Jackie thought of Sables return. I don’t remember if it was Nicole Bass’ lawsuit or Sable’s lawsuit or both, but I recall Jackie and Ivory witnesses for WWE for one or both lawsuits.
I am still a Sable fan.
Sable didn't do much but she did wrestle(not much)and was very over.
She did not have any talent except for beging blond and big boob's, she just wanted to be famous, she never loved wrestling.
@@TheHattaru Sable was the female version of the Ultimate Warrior, using wrestling as a means to an end.
I guess it depends on what one considers wrestling, lol to me she was more like a kid play wrestling sloppy as fuck holds
@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother great comparison
JR lost me at the end, 850 grand isn't life changing money? Get a grip.
At this point 8k would change my life.
It is for just one photoshoot.
Who you kidding that would change my life forever..
@@aldelta19 damn 5k would!!!
Comparatively it isn't when you think of the long play. She was 32 years old in 1999. And they're saying she made in the neighborhood of $750K in WWF.
Is $850K a ton of money? Absolutely. But it's stepping over dollars to grab nickels if you consider that you gave up close to that a year for a one off thing. And $850K is not going to change your life forever when you're 32. It could if you immediately invested it and made returns to live on maybe. But in the scale of living another 50 years that money isn't making you rich.
Maybe JR's just too demanding. Maybe he's just like his father--too bold.
Ahhh, well done 💜
Lmfao😂
People also don't understand that if WWF at the time had let her do this and go around them, there would now be a legal argument out there when a future talent does it, where they can claim - YOU let that person did it, and you won't let me do it so you are targeting/biased against me, and that is unfair, so I am entitled to be allowed to do it. So a company is compelled to continuously defend against this.
I'd say that Sable tops the list for "Least Talented" of all time!
Amen!!!
She had looks. That's some talent.
WWE " I'm sorry Sable, but you just arent going to get Austin level money"
Sable : But look at MAH BOOBIES!
I always wanted sunny to beat her for the belt
Tell me JR didn't say 850,000 isn't life-changing money
Whoever wasn't willing to negotiate was wrong. No she didn't deserve Austin money, but she did bring a HUGE following to the WWE.
"JR's so out of touch, 850k is totally life changing"
He's talking about an industry where people are making millions. C'mon now lol. Obviously he's not saying average Joe wouldn't love getting handed 850k. Comment sections lol
Exactly. And it was stepping over dollars for nickels. She left a job that was paying her near that amount a year, to make it once. And if she had cut WWF in she could've still posed. Who knows how long she would've been in WWF, but if she was making 3/4 of a million annually it's a checkers move to blow that up for an $850K one time payday.
Only the WWE would claim that THEY own the likeness of a sexy ass woman. I get that you own the name but if Sable wheres black to a photoshoot...you dont own her beauty. It takes two to get famous from your platform WWE...she still had to go out there and perform.
I've always heard the term "drew money" when old schoolers discuss payoffs but I have yet heard clearly how it is determined who drew money on a pay per view or house show with a studded card. If Flair fought Dusty in the main event, but also on the card Road Warriors fought Tully n Arn and the Rock n Roll took on the Midnight, all top stars, all top talents, so who drew the money on this card? If Sable, hot off of her playboy spread, helped make that pay per view get high rate buys more than it would've been without her, then she deserved as much as Austin or anyone else for the payoff for that show.
You are correct to wonder what the formula is. There isnt one. Its completely arbitrary and precisely why wrestling needs to Organize....
@@jodavey a union is needed but not to help no talent hacks like sable.
@@downwithputinsaveukraine1313 unfortunately we can't pick and choose the union members in our Union. I belong to a labor union and a good percentage of them don't deserve Union protection.
@@downwithputinsaveukraine1313 exactly
At no time ever, On no planet in the entire universe, No matter what the circumstances, does Sable EVER deserve a payout from a wrestling company equal to that of Stone Cold Steve Austin. 🤢🤮🤯
how is 850k not life changing?
She was already making millions...that's how
"well how did i do that? getter in a hammerlock?" 15:42
Perfect example of how u can just get over with ur looks and zero talent. Then get ur way because the office is obsessed with you. Just look how bad they threatened luna if any accident happened in her match against sable. So terrible when i saw that luna interview i was disgusted.
Sable stripping in the ring is the best.
Damn how many F'n commercials 😒😒😒
Then people wonder how Brock negotiate his deals with the UFC & WWE. Look at his wife. He negotiates the way Sable negotiated her deals.
He wears a push-up bra under a low-cut dress?
I don’t know what drugs Chyna was on that made her think she should get the same contract as Austin. I came back to this video after hearing that Sasha Banks wanted Roman Reigns-level money for a new WWE contract. Good Lord do some of these female wrestlers have an inflated sense of worth. At least Chyna was willing to get naked.
You have to throw a high number out while negotiating so they meet you in the middle and give you what you really want.
I think the networks that carry WWE shows want to have championships on their respective stations, make sense, but I have no idea what they are doing is it title vs title or winner takes all, that means different things to me. I'm thinking for sure that Reigns will win no matter what (ugh) and then will voluntarily give up one of the titles probably the WWE Championship, then it will be a tournament of some type. Craziness
JR saying things like it depends what ur definition of oushy is, when talking about trying to get her to sign a contract and then when they address sabke saying hiw the guys were drilling hiles in the walls ans comparing nipple sizes, jr's response is that none if the other girls had said anything about that, knowing full well the womn were sobfar down the ladder \pecking order is just disingenuous at best. Have no love for sable here but hearing about some of the crap Bradshaw was doing around that time with ribbing etc and other people, like having her bag shat in. Gimme a break...
JR with the football references...you can tell he loves football
He did call Atlanta Falcons games for a while. And JR is from Oklahoma. Okies love their football.
He said he was a Houston Oilers fan growing up .
So $850,000 isn't life changing? Really lol? Maybe not for the wealthy but it would be for me.
She and Lesnar must be the most pleasant couple ever.
Sable was legit hot though
If you owm the likeness for several individuals within the same company and allow one to use their own likeness without consent or compensation you are setting a precedence that would likely allow the next person to do the same or at absolute minimum a long, drawn out, expensive court battle which could cost millions even if you were to win. On top of that!..when a company has rules written down and signed by everyone they employ and they allow one person to break the rule without punishment of any kind but punish the next employee who does the exact same thing they have just discriminated against the 2nd employee. For example if a company has q written policy that they do not hire anyone with a felony conviction within the last 7 years and they deny one or multiple people for that reason and then decide to hire someone who does have a felony because they really really like them, they have just discriminated against everyone they turned away and if those individuals find out get ready because there's going to be a lawsuit and you need to try and settle because you're going to lose. When Sable decided to pull that stuff I guarantee Vinces attorney didn't even give him the option, he told him immediately that they're going to court.
I have been around these things at work extensively in my prior career which involved hiring well over 500 people a year.
🙂🫡🤘
She never desired to wrestle and she never wanted to wrestle and she wasn’t even a good wrestler whenever she did Russell! Listen sister, you can’t be in a wrestling company and just stay ringside all the time waving to the crowd in posing because this is a wrestling business and you’re gonna have to get a physical at times
you mean it wasn't all a work?!
Shiiiiiiiiiit... 850k would change my life!!!
Other than occasional eye candy I really didn’t see the big deal with her character. I think Chyna drew more fans wrestling guys in the ring.
Chyna had gorgeous eyes.
well Tony Kahn should have that with Cody Rhodes American Nightmare name
Sable did what anyone would do with her opportunity, Sable should have been paid equally to the men if she was bringing in the revenue.
Exactly.
But the men bringing in the revenue were taking all the risks every time they actually you know, WRESTLED. I am paying ppl taking risks over standing around looking pretty...no chance of breaking bones there is there..so of course one would prioritize those taking the risks and making them money..the wrestlers.
She wasn't bringing in revenue like she thought she was. Go ask random people if they know who Stone Cold is. Then, ask them if they know who Sable is. And then, you might understand that NOBODY bought PPVs to see Sable.
Idk how people don't remember or understand that Stone Cold was THE draw back then. He outdid everything Hogan did in the 80's. Austin is the biggest draw of all-time. He is still so unbelievably famous for wrestling in the 90's and early 00's. Go listen to the pop of the crowd every time that glass shattered. It's unlike anything that has ever been done still to this day. Get this: Austin was so over and such a massive draw that they tried so hard to turn him heel and they simply couldn't. Nobody wanted to boo Stone Cold. That had never happened before, and it has never happened since. And yeah, Austin also did a shit ton more actual work. Have a look at the time he would be on camera. Have a look at how the entire show was focused on him. You have no idea how many house shows Austin had to wrestle at. Sable was not doing anywhere close to an equal amount of work. Nobody really gave a shit about her little segments or her little pathetic "matches". She was not a draw. If she was such a draw, then how did the highest Wrestlemania buy rate of all-time happen without her on the show? Oh, that's right. Rock and Austin in their prime in the main event. And the WWF roster being at its all-time best, having just picked up incredible in-ring talent from WCW over the past year at the time. And the build up + the booking was great. And Sable had nothing to do with any of it.
This isn't rocket surgery or brain science
It's her choice to be involved in the biz.....It's been Dark since the beginning
the word Diva was invented for Sable. What a beezy.
That's Sunny
Wrong. Sunny was referred to as diva before Sable
10:50 in, & neither Jim nor Conrad has yet to mention the fact that Sable was THE DRIZZLING SHITS!!
No
Let’s be real though Vince underpaid so many people. Even the people getting “top guy” money at the time were underpaid. For instance someone like the new age outlaws who was so over in 98 that it was insane probably still made basically jobber money
Well, I maybe in the minority here, but I absolutely loved Sable; she's still in my top 3-5 of all-time.
I think the most poignant thing JR mentioned here is that she simply "outgrew her role", much like Chyna did as well, and, during those times, unfortunately, the wrestling business/WWF wasn't prepared for having a woman being that huge, and that over, even though they created it themselves. I don't blame Rena one bit, or any wrestler for that matter, for wanting a bigger piece of the pie in terms of intellectual property, likeness & their name, etc. They're the ones actually doing most of the actual work to get those characters over. If they're that over, it's part & parcel to the individual portraying that character being that good at what they do, and not just only because the company is promoting the shit out of it.
She was the champion. She carried it well for what she did, and should've been getting paid top champion money, like Austin, cuz she was considered the top woman in the company, but she wasn't, because she was female. Period. That's just the way it worked then, and I get it, but it still doesn't make it right. Sable, Chyna, Lita & Trish were all actually the biggest draws to WWF during their times, save for The Rock being way more over, and actually a bigger draw, than Austin ever actually was. Why shouldn't they paid like the top person in the company? ...Why should they even have to ask for it, let alone litigate for it?
Only little boys mad they will never get to bang her hate her but yeah she was great best diva of the 90s imo...and shes married to brock lesnar
@@cullencalabria5636 Well I wouldn't call us little boys anymore... 😂😂 But yeah, my younger self did say "Shit, I actually had a shot... And she picked fucking Lesnar?!" lol 😜 Bad deal.
I loved Sable and while I don’t agree with the pay she wasn’t working as hard as Austin haha or as skilled. Long term she would devalue herself. I felt she was the most powerful in 1998 and in /003 she was all Kinds of evil man shame she didn’t win the women’s championship again in 2003 or 2004 I could of done a lot of storyline with her without having her wrestle as much yet be champion
@@solidsnakemgs2180 I couldn't see Sable win the Women's Title in '03-04. The women who could wrestle were on Raw, thus comepted for the title. The eye candy alone were on Smackdown. Sable couldn't wrestle with Trish, Molly Holly, Jazz, Victoria, Lita or any of those other women. Even Stacy Keibler would've killed her and Keibler didn't wrestle that much at the end.
Women weren’t getting equal pay period back then but also makes me feel like they were def overlooked underpaid and mistreated as if they were dumb or something. I’d say she deserved more as well as Chyna but none of them deserve what Austin did. Both had to be carried in matches and couldn’t capture the crowd on the mic. Sable was hot. Chyna was one of a kind but JUSTVLIKE AUSTIN STORYLINES HELP. Sables domestic storyline and fight with an ugly ass Luna got her rooted for. Chyna got heat early through match layout then because cool with DX Army. Stories got them over written by wwf and they should have got more but ego is a bitch
With the fuckin commercials every 3 minutes
Sable was every kids crush 😍
She belongs to Lesnar now.
In the 90s , Sunny over 1980s porn style Sable everyday of the week
She was the best looking woman wwe ever had.
trish stratus and torrie wilson way hotter than both
90's kid...can confirm
Now she's 55 and the only person who will look at her is plowboy. 😂
I came in here ready to hate on sable but this shit totally flipped me. She was years ahead of her time.
STORY
Jr: That's fair.
Ok how did you determine it was fair?
Jr. Oh lol I used this stupid ass system that don't work and is completely based on what I ate that day and my gut feelings then I add a random percentage based off how we're doing.and throw a dart at the wall.
JR: The point though - thats FAIR!
SABLE: Look! I made a system to empirically represent the value each wrestler brings to the company. You can cross reference matches with buy rates and Nielsen ratings and advertiser info.
*Grabs a calculator*
So I can conclusively prove I made this company over 400 million last year when you add in my merchandise.
JR. Mmmhmmm that's fair.
Sable: So I think 140 million would leave 260 for the growth of the business and we both leave happy.
JR: NOT fair!
Sable: *pulls out paycheck* look Jr I made this company 400 million and in return I was paid, uhh the hotels free bottle of handlotion, 3 subway tokens, a 3 way offer from goldust, Mick Foley's tooth a love poem from Shawn Michaels, triple H and a really sappy one from undertaker.
Oh here it is! 10,000$ and 72 very artistic val venis dick picks.
Jr: *chef's kiss* FAIR!
*CHYNA busts through the door* what the hell JR! I bring in as much as stone cold plus I'm rarely injured and you gave me HALF as much as Sable?
Jr That's Fair *nods all knowingly.* Fair.
Chyna and Sable: HOW THE HELL IS THIS FAIR?
Vince on a rocket propelled roller chair blasts through the wall, he spazzes in his chair face beet red eyes wide with lust and growl screams: "PUPPIES!"
My suggested videos is dated. She wanted to live in blue state so the salary and exclusivity hampered her ambitions sounds like. Women have small, early window to earn and I remember her looking older compared to Wilson, Stratus, so when they lock up talent, the scale is not uniform. They need financial advisors and options to work outside company.
I don't always agree with Jim Cornette, but I agree with every word he has said about Sable. No talent and if we're just talking looks? Sorry, Sunny (in her prime), Missy Hyatt, Kimberly Page, Elizabeth and Stacy Kiebler were far more attractive.
Austin broke his neck, sable didn't break a sweat, same money? Puh-lease........
Wrestler after wrestler has complained to JR about their pay.
Poor Rena, even Tori was better looking than her.
Tori? Torrie W was a SMOKE SHOW.
@@downwithputinsaveukraine1313 I’m sure I have no idea what you mean by that, good sir.
Most likely will not say anything because blackball careers. J.R only you know what kind of conscience you have?