Jim Ross shoots on why Brock Lesnar left the WWE in 2004
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He was a young guy who went from barely traveling to being on the road all the time. I guess it makes sense wanting to leave when you're not used to it.
Read his book talks about not having a life
His first time through he just wasn’t doing well physically and functioning in the environment as it existed. The money was good obviously but during the period of time when he worked the normal full time schedule of the day it was just wasn’t a good fit for him. If I remember correctly he was dealing with various injuries from the road and was self medicating through it with pain pills and large quantities of vodka. And at that point in time in the roughly two years he’d spent in the WWE on the main roster he’d been the champion or involved in the feuds for the championship for pretty much the entire time and the schedule that came with that role was immense - had to be on every international tour and so on thus always on the road.
If you’re a private person who likes to be in nature and check out for periods of time constantly being on the road and having people want things from you would be a bad fit. And lucky for him eventually he got to come back and get the extremely favorable schedule that he wanted but was denied when he had talks to return in 2007 or so. And the accommodations he eventually got later on is about as good of a deal one could ever hope to have gotten and he’s gotten to spend like ten plus years back making truck loads of cash the entire time. In the end it all worked out pretty well for him in the end even though for various points in time it looked iffy. Whether one likes him or not can’t help but have some level of respect for all he’s been able to do.
There are so many layers to Brock that im fascinated with. Id like to see his full story told.
he released a bio book back in 2010
His biography was decent, not many in WWE come off very well, JR included
They gotta make a Lesnar movie. The man has legit lived one of the craziest lives ever.
@@gimu9834 he's rather Unpredictable
Layers is that the dude is a creep. You'll never see his face in a WWE ring ever.
Brock Lesnar sure did get a really big push when he first came to WWE. Within a few months of him debuting, he was already a top star in the company. I definitely think that’s what lead to him to getting burned out. With great power comes great responsibility.
I agree that brock was pushed way to fast and traveling 300 days a year did burn him out.
He had the perfect balance of a wrestler that Vince like, he got the look, the muscle, the attitude, and the character of a perfect heel. The only downside is that Brock doesn't like to stick around, he wants to come and go like the wind which is why he bought his own private jet so he could travel his way.
i wasn't prepared for what i saw with him and rvd at king of the ring. I said "this man!" Had me marked out post kayfabe
This burned me out of him and has kept me not a fan of Brocks, such a boring person, just bigger and better than everyone. After his angle with Angle, lost total interest, and he's never been as good as he was in that run.
@@VOAN that not the only downside. He has no personality
Weather you like Brock or hate him, he deserves respect for still being around 20yrs after his debut.
I'm not in love with how they use him but I sure don't blame the man for taking advantage of the deal available to him.
whether*
Anyone can be around 20 years if they go missing for 8, then come back and wrestle 4 or 5 matches a year, with some being the shortest matches on the card all whilst being the highest paid person on the roster.
@@thefan974so why aren’t you?
@thefan974 I bet he has more options than just wrestling. He seems to enjoy it.
I remember starting to watch WWE after Brock left, but I played Smackdown Here Comes The Pain on Ps2 before I even started watching it so I never got the chance to see Brock wrestle other than in highlight videos/montages etc. What a beast.
another reason wrestlers mislead someone is to take their spot and less competition.
The reason wrestlers couldn’t back up their complaints about pay was that there was no transparency! WWE can’t have it both ways-they want to pay whatever they want and just tell the boys it was fair.
I agree on this. It's always fairly disingenuous when they say "what are you basing your complaint on" when they use a mystery box to pay them from.
How is it WWE’s fault that he signed a contract without knowing how much he was going to be paid?
Jealousy runs rampant back then. No wonder some of the guys we think deserves to be pushed are not pushed.
When you actually think about it, This was more like a HHH not winning the KOTR and it gave birth to Austin 3:16. Lesser left and the ball went to Cena and Batista, later Cena overall.
The difference is ratings and fan interest went to all time highs with Austin. Ratings and fan interest reached all time lows with Cena and Batista
Now he is highest paid pro wrestler the last 10 years.
Well the landscape is what it is what do you expect
WWE didn't let guys be part timers back then. He might not have left if he could work a schedule like he does nowadays.
They allowed Shawn Michaels a schedule where he only worked TV and PPV’s and even then he’d get a couple of months off here and there as he did in mid 2004
@@My19812011 yea unfortunately Shawn was always favored by Vince
Hell Shawn got management to get hurricane to stop using the chokeslam
The thing is Brock Lesnar came at a time when WWE is bringing new stars to the company as well as those that came from WCW. Lesnar got push right into the main event level which is why Vince didn't want him to be a part timer. Not only that Lesnar wasn't confident that he would want to stick to pro wrestling all the way which is why he left to play for the NFL.
Lesnar was like 25 lol there's no reason he couldn't work a full schedule if he wanted to. He just simply didn't want to and left the company high and dry after they spent 2 years putting him over all their other top talent
@@My19812011 Shawn still did house shows too
Listen to how JR explains both sides & takes ownership of where he could have done better like an adult. As opposed to that immature, petulant, hypocritical little child running WWE.
Thought you were gonna say Russo lol
Love Conrad and Jr voice
Fortunately for JR, Nailz wasn’t one of the boys calling him about his payoff.
Nailz would have done it in person.
I think it’s wrong for JR to say Brock was getting bad advice. In the end, he was able to make big money on less touring in Japan and then his MMA career before negotiating a fat contract on very limited dates when he returned in 2012.
I think he was getting bad advice for the time. Obviously in hindsight it worked out very well for him. But at that time he was making millions in WWE and he decided to leave it to try a sport he hadn't been playing. At that time he didn't know that Japan would work out or that MMA would happen. So in the view of that time you could call it bad advice.
Did you see some of those RA era jabronis he was traveling with? I’m not surprised at all the were giving him shit advice
Best decision brock ever made
Not gonna lie I enjoyed the Brock Kurt Benoit Eddie era after that wrestling died
The way Brock got a title shot in the UFC so quickly with a 3-1 career record or something like that I thought was bizarre. Some people believe Randy couture helped Brock out alot. Hennig was such a dick 😂 😆.
Considering mr perfect died over a year before wm 20 id doubt he was the one to make lesnar jump ship
It was Sable given her history.
He can't ask for more money but Shawn Micheals HHH can pick n choose when they want to have n drop they're titles
He can certainly ask for more, as he did. But why give more to a guy you already paid $250K to for one night of work and who has already left you after one year of a new multi year contract. No reason to bend to make someone happy who no longer works for you.
@@Matt-cr4vv money bro how brought them money
Brock in 03 was non stop and he got tired of traveling alot because in 03 he had to have done over 200 shows tv, live events, ppvs. Now he gets to dictate his own contract and work limited dates as he deserves
The story about goldust is definitely Scott Hall
How you know
Love the videos but holy Ads Batman!
Also great talk
He took his ball and left he couldn't take it it happens WWE has a vicious schedule some people can handle it and some people can't
17 years today to that very day
That number is the same age of the girls you like
@@undertakerzfanz1948 and the same amount of time
@@graham2sexy955 Lmaooooo 😁😁😁
Simp
@@botchjones1130 what is simp?
This is where Vince wants all or nothing. Brock can't be a regular member on the roster, he just doesn't fit in with the rest of the talent. I don't understand why they can't bring him on few matches a year and allow him to pursue his own interests in between. If they need someone to carry the belt for a time, he's always there.
Curt Hennig passed away by the time Lesnar was pissed about the payoff
Where did he say Hennig? He could’ve been Talking about Kurt Angle, as a matter of Fact I believe that’s who he was talking about.
Can someone clear something up for me JR said Lesner was dating razors daughter who is cassidy Lee but she was born in 1995, so in 2005 she would have only been 10 because lesner got with sable in 2006, Iam confused. P. S BTW iam not insinuating anything here I think JR may have his mind muddled up
Lesnar got with Sable in 2003... he had left the company by 2006 lol
It looks like the other guys wanted to be in the top but Brock was in the way! Tony Atlas alway said that’s the way it is in this business.
JR says that “maybe Curt” was in Brock’s ear about being ornery. Curt died in Feb 2003. Mania was in March 2004.
JR GETTING OLD
Anthony Garcia ^
@@bignbafan20 getting haard
Maybe he's talking about kurt
He was smoking a joint on 1st minute
Cool
I had watched WWE from the summer of 2002 to 2008ish. The best years I can say without a doubt were 02 and 03 not just cause of the roster but the cutthroat wrestling especially from Brock Lesnar. It was like watching gladiators go at it every week and it was a special time is wrestling history for certain. You could tell Brock Lesnar was getting burned out because of his body...you look at how he looked in 02 compared to 04. He did more to make an impression and gave it 100 percent in the ring which everyone at that time was but when he left it all went to shiz. Undertaker turned into a cartoon again, booker t had a stupid gimmick " king booka " but Eddie Guerrero, Benoit, Batista and a few others kept it going. I even miss Smckdown and Raws old themes from 02
Lesnar is the only guy who can get booed out of 2 Wrestlemanias and have people mark for him. I get that he has good genetics, is juiced up, and has adaquate mma skills, but as a pro wrestler I just dont get it.
U drunk my guy hes a great wrestler
@@battousaithekingslayer9913 back in 02-04 he was. Hasn't been shit the past 10 years.
@@battousaithekingslayer9913 he sucks in the ring.
@@TheBlindEye90 naw hasn’t been shit since 2014 when the suplex city garbage emerged
@@lordoffaiyum9727 yeah right now absolutely agree with you bro
Roman Reigns was on that vikings team, too. Obviously, that didn't work out for him, but it seems to me like he was destined for greatness.
JR always has a laundry list of excuses it’s the talent’s fault...
Lol facts you how many times he say "he burned out" bro every wrestler you got involved with burned out huh
Did you work in WWE?
@Chris P For that performance it should’ve been lower
That happens everywhere the lies and BS,most people are ruthless.
Bottom line,are idiots in the work place.
I didn't know JR smoked cigs
He doesn't. He smokes weed.
@@ryanboman8211 good ol JR getting blitzed.
@@DNSV-ex8of Well, he just wanted to get comfortable for the podcast...
@@ryanboman8211 thinks like I would.
God...JR hates the word BROTHER😂
20 bucks the guy who lied about his pay to gold dust was Hall or Waltman
Yup. Hall strikes me as the type,he’s ALWAYS speaking on somebody else money in shoot interviews
@@TheeCoachg Wrestlemania 12 was the first WM Goldust was on and neither Waltman or Hall were on the card, and were out of the WWF to go to WCW before WM13. But you know who were on the card? Owen Hart, and Mr. Fuji. Both loved to pull ribs to fuck with people. It could have also been Piper.
@@AnsticePalo Well shit, take my money
@@supermegaguy666 Nice. I do love free money. I don't think I have ever seen anyone comment on Hall or Waltman shit talking the money that others were getting paid.
If anything, they were checking to see if they got the payoff their opponents got just to make sure they didn't get stiffed by Vince. One example is Vince, stiffing Tully and Arn, and didn't start paying Arn, what he claimed he would get paid until Arn, put in his notice. They fucked Tully before this by drug testing him and he got caught with the nose candy when he put in his notice.
We all been knew why Brock Lesnar left I was at the Garden when we boood both of them out of the building
Yea bunch of smarks
@@kamfisher1714 lol right
Stop with the multiple ads every min oe two its so annoying
Lmaoooo j.r just casually smoking a cigarette has to be the weirdest thing I've seen like wtf I didn't even know he smoked cigarettes aha cigars yeah but lol it looks so weird
Its weed not cigarettes.
@@chrisfraser3435 aha even better
i didnt know Jim Ross smoked ciggarettes
Wait brock was mad about making only $250,000 when he was on the middle of the card?
Bam bam bigalow made that Same amount but in 1995 and Bam Bam worked the main event
Yo Daniel Drayet, Bam Bam, one of the most underrated Big men in the history of pro wrestling! And WCW & WWF missed the boat on having him and Vader go at it! Instant classic! I am getting goose bumps just thinking about it! 😎👌🏿🔥💲💰🤓💯😂
@@DirtyMoney1971 yes he sure was
WWE/F likely had way less money spend in 1995 compared to 2004 when they essentially monopolized the wrestling business in North America.
@@DirtyMoney1971 I always liked The Battle of the Bam Bams in ecw between Bigelow and Terry Gordy even though Gordy was a shell of himself at that point.
that's what wwe gets for trying to get a franchise guy like Austin to lose in a squash match to Lesnar. Guys like Austin are hard to come by.
Austin was burned out by then
I would trade Eddie Guerrero for Brock Lesnar any day in the history of professional wrestling. There's a reason people were drawn to Eddie. It's because he genuinely gave shit about wrestling. Lesnar clearly didn't and still doesn't. He wants the cash and that's all that he wants.
Mark
SuperMark
And what the hell is wrong with that. It's about getting paid and he did the right thing. Look what happened to poor Eddie.
Here is a big question. Where would brock Lesnar be if he never joined wwe even though NJPW or WCW was wanted him. It does seem like he whined about everything.
As far as I know wcw wanted him, eric made such a statement but lesnar could start his mma career back then
I mean, with the WCW deal, he would have ended up in WWE around the same timeframe either way. And I don't know if the offer from NJPW was all that serious, but he ended up screwing them in the end when he did end up going there, so who knows what the end result would have been for him. Maybe he would have ended up putting more effort into football, maybe he would have ended up in the olympics for amateur wrestling, maybe he would have got into MMA sooner.
Their matches were very poor and not worth the ppv.
He did not do well in .the lineman were pushing him back
Facts the NFL guys were moving him around easy. They were too fast and quick for him as well
The day when Brock Lesnar does a behind the curtains full career interview will be one of the greatest wrestling docs of all time
Brock Lesnar is a goat 💯
Brock looked incredible in his first run. Then he went to UFC and temporarily got off of the juice and now he’s got a dad body. A suplex machine, yes, but a dad body suplex machine that looks like it hasn’t seen the sun for a decade or so.
I'm 1000% sure his so called Daddy physique looks a whole lot better than yours you goof!
@@FreddieBlaze true, but I’m not on tv.
BROCK IS GOD.
Diverticulitis didn’t help either.
At that time nearly every guy was absolutely sauced in the UFC I wouldn’t think joining was why he lost his physique, it’s not as if he’s not in better shape than 95% of the world’s population either lol
Jr is a carny, starts of with a Brock pay story and turns it into a Goldust story, pure carny miss direction.
Austin had the same complaints, but he's good- the wife beating drunk.
Brock did the right thing
Told the WWF to kick rocks with traveling too much
And slaving him like the others
He made himself a draw and then dictated the terms
I can't believe that Mr Perfect would rib him like that. Brock wouldn't put over Curt as a best friend if he did that shit.
Too much too soon
Jon Cena: Brock! you can't let these assholes keep dking you around like that, you make them give you what you want or walk your Brock Lesnar you don't need them they need you
Brock: yeah f*** those guys
Jon Cena: I'm about to be the guy now
He thought he got screwed with a 250k payday?
Bottom line is, Lesnar was not committed and is flaky as hell. Cant rely on him. And THATS why it was damn waste to have Taker get is streak ended by Lesnar. Never should have happened. That idea about Taker ending his streak to Lesnar shouldve been shot down the moment it was brought and and the guy who had that idea shouldve been fired on the spot.
JR has always been a Yes Man to Vince.
Lol well you must be new to wrestling if you think that 🤦
@@pooldead7712 who cares what you think 😂 I said what I said
JR literally was fired 4 times over his career there...all for no good reasons. The last time was because Ric Flair got too drunk and JR didnt babysit him,he’s hardly been protected or kept employed like a true Yes Man would be.
@@TheeCoachg still doesn’t mean he didn’t kiss ass to stay employed as long as he did. You can tell when asked about the business, he’s always vouching and making excuses for Vince and his chosen wrestlers. It’s no debate.
@@abcd34545 that teolu shows me you don't understand anything about the world of wrestling 🤣, pipe down 🤦
Woahhhhh.
Curt henning
Super emotionally unhealthy as an individual
Racist
@@bignbafan20 why are you so racist ?
@@kidpresentable6004 I’m not you are
@@kidpresentable6004 you smell like BIG VAN VADER
@@bignbafan20 you are so racist , I seen your comments elsewhere
Lucky he got 250k
Shoot $200,000 on what? 20 - 30 minutes worth of wrestling?? Shit let me wrestle..
Curt was dead by the time Brock left
You Know Kurt Angle exists right?
First
I was first
@@callum6486 lies
Now.... I was frist
@6:20 they’re talking about who is giving Brock bad advice. Jim says it may be Curt Hennig, bc Curt like to just rib ppl whenever he could. But sadly, Mr Perfect had passed on by Wrestlemania 20, he actually died Feb. ‘02, hard to believe it’s been 20 years since then
@@trevorhembrough1290 my bad, you’re correct
What is jr smoking
A fatty
Non filtered
JR is partially speaking as a company man. If BL wanted more doe then you pay up or let 'em go just like any other sports league. That's nothing to do with Goldust and people whispering in your ear, come on.
I didnt listen to this one biut im guessing its all over money! Brock is a cash grab machine. He sucks because he doesn’t like the wrestling! He was never a fan of it!
He can wrestle.
@@kamfisher1714 didnt say he couldn’t... I simply said he is not a fan and doesn’t seen to like the sport. You need to listen to some of his recent interviews to understand... I never knew until I listened to them.
@@JohannesWOW it was a interview with stone cold you douche. They was sitting and shooting the shit! Talking about all things man!
Oh pls....stfu mouth breather, most guys on the roster say that he cares about it
@@arcaderacer586 obviously never heard of Kayfabe.....
Terrible wrestler, his stuff looked real but I'm positive it felt real too. He never learned how to work and injured alot of guys. I'm sure Kurt would be in much better shape had he not had to work with Brock back then. Lesnar never appreciated the business or the fans. Left after beating everybody, came back years later to be a part time champion. Never learned how to cut a promo either. Take him off the steroids and who is he? Nobody. Just a footnote in history. Although, it was cool he went to UFC and became champ. Gave some legitimacy to WWE during a time where most of their fans had left to watch MMA.
Magic killed multiple women with HIV ( before he knew he had it ) but sure , let's make a series with him . I bet those women wish they had millions to stay alive in early 90s.
What lol
WTF 🤬? F outta here
Simple, he couldn't pass the new drug tests.
It wasn't Curt Hennig who was in Brock's ear. Curt had died over a year prior to Brock leaving. Besides, he and Lesnar weren't on good terms anymore. It's been said that Hennig got the best of Lesnar during a scuffle on the plane ride from hell. That's why he was fired. Hennig even mentioned this in a promo during his time in TNA.