Jim Ross shoots on why WCW never got a stand-alone show
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2021
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I love how foley’s gimmick was that he was a schitzo with three personalities and it comes out he was one of the most sane and normal people in the locker room.
I haven’t watched a wrestling show in almost 20 years but I love listening to guys from when I watched and learning stuff I knew nothing about when I was a kid
Scott Steiner was a wreck when he finally returned to WWE. Working with Triple H did not do him any favours.
When Steiner came to wwe, triple h was getting his shovel ready to bury him, lol
@@ajjjay9583 triple h beat the wcw guys because i was not around for the invasion angle. So scott, booker t, goldberg and sting lost to hhh
@@ckidd8681 glad triple h is back and making changes to wwe , nxt was garbage without his creative control
@@ajjjay9583 yes fingers are crossed that he can improve the product. Because i hate the bright lights of nxt 2.0
HHH WAS TERRIFIED OF SCOTT STEINER 🧟🧟🧟
I always love WCW for ever. I miss old days WCW
me too...wcw fan for life..
@@Allen7 I remember Monday Night Nitro and also Monday Night War with WWF is was awesome those year from 96 to 2001
@@thebostonsportsreport9584 i watched all of them from 1996 till 2001...wcw,wwf,ecw...best time to be a wrestling fan!
@@Allen7 that is true now this day wresting is not be forever
Kind of mixed on WCW. It was awesome for only a couple years, 1996-1998. It was pretty awful before and after those years.
It would have been better branding. The idea that the WWE competes with itself is laughable. There's no real heat. With WCW, the fans at least could pick a side - but that's not what Vince would have wanted. He wouldn't want people loyal to WCW at the expense of his baby.
The brand split as it was might have worked if they'd made Raw & SmackDown feel like separate promotions, with the WWF becoming a governing body akin to the old NWA, but even when they took the brand split semi seriously it still felt like you were just watching separate WWF shows, as opposed to seperate companies. But yes, if it had been WCW Raw vs WWF Smackdown it would've made things a hell of alot easier, since Raw pretty much had a WCW vibe during 02-05 anyway with the big gold belt & even the announce table by the entrance.
Smackdown and raw compete all the time
@@stevenrobertgill7306 this is probably where wrestling needs to go. with an nwa network. wcw monday nitro. wednesday impact/aew, friday night smackdown. and seperate ppvs
"I hope buffbagwell is living a good healthy life" buff bagwell: gets arrested for driving under the influence
and Buff still brings up to this day how JR got him fired. Like dude get over it already. Most of us have gotten fired from a job before.
@@DrowningSorrows1 he was head of talent relations, who else was going to fire him? Catering? 🤦♂️😂🤣
@@DrowningSorrows1 Buff screwed Buff..
I heard as of today he's been sober for over a year now
@@sbj97 good
They should have keep WCW
Man Goldberg in the elimination chamber was sooooooooo awesome
I always wondered why WCW did not continue as a separate show. Now I know.
It's obvious.
Because Vince wanted to bury it...There is no other excuse..... TV or not having all the players??? No, Vince is vindictive like always...A solid gold turd.....
Personally I don't see a problem with people like Shane and Paul calling guys just to see if they can find an edge that the head of talent relations can't. We don't know what Scott Hall's relationship with JR was, but apparently he was on good terms with Heyman given their WCW and ECW history.
As someone who didn't watch WCW at the time, I personally really enjoyed The Invasion storyline. A lot of great matches and storylines came from it, and as far as I'm aware, PPV buys were up across the board for 2001 as compared to 2000.
Even if the majority of WCW guys came over as early as possible I don't think it would've made much of a difference. I think people forget that WWF fans at the time didn't want Hollywood Hogan, Nash, and Hall, they wanted red and yellow Hulk Hogan, Diesel, and Razor Ramon. And of the three, only Hogan could still perform at a high level. Steiner, Sting, and DDP were all dealing with injuries, and I don't know if Sting had arrived in 2001 if he'd been well-received once he got in the ring for fifteen-twenty minutes seeing how his 2000-2001 run went in WCW. I really think people look back with rose colored glasses at 2000-2001 WCW (which is odd to say) but WCW's main event scene just couldn't compare to WWF's star power wise or in-ring wise.
Booker T had all the tools to become a WWF main eventer and he did shortly after his debut at Summerslam, and in his feuds over the course of the next year. Even in WCW however he was often treated as a "fluke champion", losing the title to Vince Russo of all people, and it was actually WWF who booked him to win his fourth and fifth WCW WH Championships. It'd put main eventing Summerslam against The Rock over main eventing against Jeff Jarrett any day of the week, or 2000 Nash and Russo for that matter. The only think Booker T had working against his was that he wasn't Austin, Rock, or Triple H, and that he was neither a "belt guy" nor someone who cared about main eventing. So long as he was in a featured spot and/or against someone he got along with, Booker T was happy.
Nobody wanted hall & nash as razor and diesel literally nobody not once have ever said if they did they would’ve done that they never went back to those gimmicks hogan yeah hall and nash no and u said u didn’t watch wcw so how would u know what sting could do ? Lmao
@@litodat233 Just because I did not watch WCW back in the day does not mean I can't go back and watch it now. Sting was coming off multiple injuries on the last episode of Nitro and wasn't in the best of shape. People forget that Sting actually announced his retirement after WCW and had no intention of returning to the ring full-time.
As for Hall and Nash, I'm talking about the majority of the WWF fans at that time. To them Hall will always be Razor and Nash will always be Diesel, and the fans wanted to cheer for them, not boo them.
@@immortallegacy100 that’s not true at all did you see the insane reactions to the promos for the NWO? Hell a majority of the viewers at that time wasn’t even watching wrestling when razor Ramon and disel were around so how could they want them?
JR's history with Hall was irrelevant. He didn't know whether or not Hall was clean and Shane and Paul couldn't even close the deal after going after talent on their own.
“Keeping the wrestlers sane is almost an oxymoron” yooo I’m legit crying
yoooooooooo no you not bruh yoooooooooo
jfc why can't you fix your audio issues
Best description ever of what the truth is.vince is still vindictive but j.r. tells the truth
I don’t get where all this hate on Vince comes from? Are people gonna just spit on his grave when he dies?
@@chadnickelson4171 yes we will!!!!
nunyafuckinbizniz glad your a good fucking person then 🤡
Shut up like y’all don’t have any bad qualities .
That is because Jr is a God fearing man. All true God fearing men will not lie or do u dirty.
That Bagwell Booker T match i felt violated watching it. WCW had moved so far from when i stopped watching in 99 that when they put that match on as the main event of a WWE show, i switched off that programme and would have been indifferent to any future of the WCW product from that moment on. I doubt i was the only one.
They both would still be run by WWE. WWE vs WCW sounds a lot better than Raw vs Smackdown, especially to wrestling fans from the 90s..
2:04 I've said this for years about the WCWWE invasion angle. They could of saved it for another year and then did it. They could of brought in Bischoff as the so called Owner of WCW in 2002 the same time period he was hired anyways at the same time all of these guys contracts with Turner started to end Hogan Hall and Nash Goldberg and maybe Scott Steiner could of headed the top guys with Bischoff in 2002. So to me it could of worked if they had of waited until all the former top guys from WCW had there deals up.
They had to do something. Rocky was playing around in Hollwood and Hunter was injured. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, WCW had just gone out of business, Vince had to capitalize quick. Not his fault the big names were being paid to stay home.
Let's just get the dirt baby... and create some shit. That was priceless.
Lmfao
Sure they didn't have the bigger stars but had WWF kept a show with WCW or ECW they could of made it work and eventually brought back bigger stars.
And wrestling clearly needs the diversity in the business as is evident by how cool it is that we have fans have options like AEW, ROH, Impact etc.
I agree but on the hand, look at the failure of the relaunched ECW. A relaunched WCW would probably have also just ended up as a WWE B Show once it was embedded within the WWE machine. Vince McMahon didn’t care for the original ECW or WCW products enough to allow them to operate independently. And even if he did, his ego would no doubt mean he’d be interfering and taking over eventually anyway, just like he did ECW relaunch and the. ‘old’ NXT.
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Wrestling really hasn’t been the same since WCW shut down
You guys booked terribly with the stars you did have, you made Dallas page; the lifelong baby a damn PERVERT lol, and you didn’t need all the stars.
You got Hogan, Nash, and Hall. All you needed was Goldberg, if you have Goldberg you have a solid 4-5 feuds with Austin, Taker, Rock, Kurt Angle, and even HHH.
It was just petty bullshit and nobody in creative wanted to get the WCW guys over and even Nash has mentioned calling Vince on it.
Honestly if wcw would have made better decisions and was able to stay in business longer they would made a huge turn around considering the talent WWE lost a few years later after buying wcw
I wonder if now years later with as much as they have going on would they bring it back 20-30 years later?
Big Poppa Pump’s character should have been big in the WWE. He had major heel heat in WCW.
They didn’t have the prime time players, but they still had a lot of talent, many of whom slowly trickled in over the next few years. Booker could’ve been the flagship. If worse comes to worse, give them the Radicalz back for more upper card star power. Of course hindsight is 20/20, and much sharper 20 years after the fact.
Maybe it wasn’t the money WCW wrestlers turned down, but it was they could foresee their burial by Vince and company. 🤔
I mean if I had to choose between traveling 300 days a year or sitting at home getting a check and doing nothing I’ll pick the second choice
That's one of the reasons why sting never went wwe from that point.
@@ryankeefe6222 Hall, Hogan, Nash, Goldberg ect those bigger stars in WCW would sit at home as its free money from AOL in there bank account each week the younger WCW guys apart from booker T, bagwell and DDP had there time Warner deals buyed outright.
WWE’s biggest mistake. They should’ve kept WCW going independent of them, then did the takeover angle. The product and anticipation changed for me as a teenager when I no longer had to flip between USA and TNT. By 2002, I was gone. Only tuned in for the big shows, or when The Rock, Stone Cold or HBK were around, didn’t follow it religiously anymore.
I am still bitter over the buyout. I stopped watching after the failed invasion angle. I refused to support stone cold and the rock.
They could of done a separate show. Then use the talent they got. They way they should of been used.
Shane’s entrance song here comes the money is the shit
Nice work 🎇✨🌠
It would of been worse then the ecw relaunch
would've* . It couldn't have been worse than 2000 WCW
Probably so.....
JR is right! The top stars of WCW had guaranteed contracts to just sit at home and do nothing. In addition a lot of these WCW talent were just way over paid to begin with. The only people who came for the Invasion angle were people who's didn't negotiate a contract extension before they went under. People like DDP and Booker T who wanted to wrestle and forgo'd their guaranteed contract to wrestle for the WWE for less money were buried and then cut!
The only considered stars that took buyouts were DDP, Booker T and Buff. Buff shouldn’t really factor much because his failure was self imposed. You don’t go to a new company and immediately start causing problems. That’s on him. I’ll agree with you on DDP - he got shit for his story when he came in. But he didn’t even truly get cut - he had a serious injury that forced him to choose to retire and they agreed to let his contract expire. It’s not like he came in, they Willy Nilly chose to bury him, and then cut him loose as some nefarious act. Maybe he would’ve been let go at some point anyways but his injury forced that hand. He’s also a bit of an interesting example compared to the others because I tend to think that had he not been as old as he was, and thus not in a spot where he had a ton of years left to wrestle where he could just sit the yesrs he had out, hard to say if he’d have taken the buy out like he did. A lot of his decision was because he was 45 years old and didn’t have time on his side to delay coming over.
But I’m not sure how you’re saying that for a Booker T. He took his buyout, came over and worked in a lot of solid storylines. He was there for the next six years and became a world champion. He left in 2007 by his own choice to go to TNA for the lighter schedule. He also wasn’t on a giant deal with WCW so he probably made more money in the end. Sure they signed up to make less as a downside guarantee but it’s well known that a lot of those guys under the WWE system of payment made way more than the downside and many were seven figure earners. JR has noted that Jericho had a $350K downside but had plenty of years where he made $2M+ on that. Safe to say Booker made way more than whatever downside he had.
But of course it makes sense why guys sat out. They wouldn’t get a guarantee of whatever their WCW deal was and they’d have to work. Goldberg had a couple years left making around &4M a year. Hard to imagine how much he’d need to make to forego that to work. Always have to factor that Hogan, Nash and Hall for example were older guys at the time who would be glad to make seven figures to not take the physical abuse of working. They were also guys who knew that when their deals were up they’d still have an offer to come back in, which of course happened. The guys who did come like Booker T were partially influenced by the fact that they weren’t that level of stars and made the jump because they didn’t have the status where they knew there would be a job waiting for them if they sat out like the NWO guys did. Anybody who doesn’t get why they didn’t pay them to jump right away arent thinking logically - the amount you’d have to guarantee them to work would have to be well above whatever their stay home money was. And that would be well over the current model where the top downside was $1M. And so then you have to imagine the fallout if you blow up the downside structure for guys the roster is already hesitant to have return and how then you’d have to start giving your existing guys bigger downsides or risk your locker room being really upset. Prettt easy to see why paying them to come right away was never realistic business wise.
How about wait till you have the horses before doing it? When did the nWo come back 2002 or 03? Flair came back even earlier by the end of 2001. Steiner came back as well. They could have had all the top players back with patience(except Sting).
You might as well have asked Jamie Kellner to wait before cancelling WCW'S TV. The reason the Invasion could have worked is because it was topical. Nobody would have cared *as much as they should have* if the WCW stars just showed up together out of nowhere in mid 2002.
What would their first promo be? "Well, I dumped World Wrestling All-Stars so I could get a better payof- I mean, revenge for WCW. That's a fact, brother!" The Invasion is something you would have had to have done at that moment, while it was topical. They probably should just did the NWO return at that last Nitro and call that the Invasion, and it would have been a lot better.
@@FIXTREME But they themselves didn't do it right away. After that Shane McMahon promo at the end of Nitro, they waited quite some time to introduce the WCW wrestlers. I think they should have teased a few stuff throughout the summer. Meanwhile you have Shane trying to screw with things on Raw and he is always refered to as "WCW's owner". At Summerslam, you do an angle with non-WCW wrestlers and then Big Show does something shocking and the announcers are baffled and Shane shows up with a smile saying Show he is his first signing for his new WCW. Big Show take the mic and says "The Big Show sucks, I'm the Giant! I've always hated this place, I came here just for the money. WCW runs through my veins!". Announcers are like "The Big Show has betrayed the WWF!" The next surprise would be WCW Champ Booker T. Then you build to a match in the Fall where Flair shows up to help make the WCW side win during a War Games.
It probably would’ve had a better chance with the top level stars but it’s hard to guess how it would’ve done by waiting for them to come in. Hard to feel like the Invasion would’ve been a big deal on the show if you delay it happening for about a year after WCW has closed. Because if you do that you basically have none of their roster on TV for an entire year and then have to hope that after the time that WCW as a product leading into the sale was awful and turned fans away to begin with that the fans will still give a shit a year later when it hasn’t been on TV at all. Waiting to do it means you keep it off your show for that time because how do you have WCW guys involved in your show without an invasion for a year and then suddenly it’s an invasion? And again even then do the fans still give a shit if so much time has passed since the closure? Obviously it was disappointing how it went but they were able to do a giant PPV with it and move on which in the end business wise isn’t a total failure. It was just snake bit from being able to happen as you’d want with how bad the product had been and the top star situation you’re in. You couldn’t get everybody until 2003 anyways - even less chance it could work then. They took a chance and it wasn’t what we hoped. Made the best out of a bad situation honestly.
@@Matt-cr4vv But again a few months in, it had already merged into the lame "Alliance" cause they had so few WCW stars. And by the fall, the whole angle was dead. It died what 4 months after being created. So all the talks about "they couldn't wait" cause people would have forgotten it doesn't matter. And when the nWo showed up in 2003, it was still a big event so people had not forgotten it. The issue is that they rushed it and a big reason why the big stars did not join is because the wounds were still wide open. It was stupid of Vince to presume the stars were gonna join like nothing had happen. A few months in guys like Steiner finally decided that he had no issues with the WWF anymore. then a few years later same with the nWo.
But eventually their home checks would of ran out to. Plus WWF could of kept making new stars or even done a joint WCW/ECW/new talent show could of worked.
2 years. WWF/E was better than WCW for 2 years. I know most people don't agree, but I thought WCW was better in 93, 94. Even 99 was about even.
Nearly unwatchable due to worthless audio constantly skipping
i agree....fix that guys!
Yep
Worst audio quality on a clip ever by this show.
I notice a lot of glitches since they’ve being doing video (even if that video format doesn’t show up in a particular short video like this.)
Still find it funny Conrad just reads Meltzers material on all his shows and gets rich off him.He has zero of his own content or ideas
Without being unkind it is kind of true, that content is feeding these podcats / video shows.
Cant spell CON without CONrad
this would be interesting, but the audio is terrible
There's no way WCW was popular enough in 2001 for it to continue. It was like 20-1 in terms of WWF-ECW-Anyone Else popularity against WCW's at the time. AAA probably had more viewership in America with people in border states DX'ing Televisa stations than WCW had in the entire United States. So if there are so few people watching at that time, and the ex fans more interested in WWF than that old brand they used to watch, where is the demand?
a lot of people stopped watching WCW before it went down, they still remembered WCW at their peak. So they could have had easily brought all the top stars back. Just a few years earlier they had ratings in the 5s. the most ECW had for ratings where 1.2 and AAA, I don't know anybody that was watching luchadores promotions. lol
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 WWE couldn't have easily brought top stars back because of those inflated Turner contracts, otherwise they would have did so for the invasion angle. This is in addition to other top stars going to Japan (or Australia,) trying to start their own promotions, or being in the doghouse for things like burning bridges or drugs. There's no argument other than "My point is emotionally based instead of in reality" to explain why we didn't get more talent than we did out of WWE's WCW. I'm not trying to be mean about it🤷🙁. There's more than enough articles, interviews, and videos about why the top talent wasn't there. Also, in regards to the AAA comment, r/whoosh
@Victor Ferri well, the invasion just pissed all over that idea 😅
If you could stay home for a year and make $2M it is interesting to think about how much more it would take to be worth going back to work. And balancing however much more than that would need to be guaranteed to be worth coming back and then how that would play with all your current top level talents with the current max $1M downside at the time. Lots went into the choice of finding a way to get everybody back immediately versus waiting it out.
I thought it was cause Vince wanted Wcw to be on a separate channel but USA wasnt going for it. Without a different station for them to go to it wasnt anything they could do
They were on TNN and UPN at the time those networks didn’t want wcw shows they wanted wwf shows
The networks paid for WWF content. That's the end of the story. There were PLENTY of talents they could have built a WCW brand around. What stopped it was TNN and UPN not wanting a WCW brand.
Half the Alliance came from WWF who were once in WCW anyway. The Big Show, Chris Jericho, Faarooq, Raven, William Regal, Mick Foley, Perry Saturn....... and that's not even counting WCW guys who came over like Booker T, DDP, Lance Storm. for fux sake you could have even done the Stone Cold turn and have him lead the WCW brand if "star power" was such an issue. This is all CRAP that they ended up doing anyway, and then didn't follow up. The so-called "lack of talent" has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. The WWF roster was fully loaded (pun intended)
I've been waiting for Conrad to "grill" JR on Bagwell. I'm disappointed that the fight with Helms, the match with Booker, not starting the rebranding of WCW in Atlanta instead of Tacoma, WA which was a week later, Judy Bagwell allegedly calling JR to get Buff some time off, Buff's firing in Atlanta, the subsequent beef that came from the "Heatseekers" DVD between JR & Buff, why Buff was never given a second opportunity. A lot to unpack as Conrad would say. How 'bout it Big Man, how about really grilling JR on this?
SO BUY OUT THEIR ORGINAL CONTRACTS IINSTEAD OF BUYING A DUMB RESTRURANT!! DUH
Get the dirt conrad!! I dont care if you have to go to the outer rim!! Get the fucking dirt!! - Darth oaklahomus (jr), sith lord to his apprentice, darth conny (conrad) 😄😂😄😂
Yeooo
Everything he said makes sense…… so why not wait another 6-12 months. Let people miss those faces and that brand, then bring them all back. They all eventually came by 2003 except for Sting and I think you could’ve gotten Sting had he seen real thought being put behind the angle
You wait till 02 and bring Flair, Hogan, Sting, Goldberg, Booker, Hall, Nash, Page, Buff, Jarrett etc…. It’s the biggest angle ever
Audio is trash
WCW was a better company. If Vince had not bought it, it could definitely have been salvaged and rebooted under ownership.
4:49 #herosofthenewgeneration 5:02
That's a bullshit argument....It's not "Why didn't they just spend more to get the good guys from WCW," its about why not just wait until you do....They got all frantic and couldn't help themselves and just went for it
WWE didn't push the talents that they did get. After they buried DDP, why would anybody come to WWE?
They had a test run with dipping their toe in doing a WCW themed show with a Booker T vs. Buff Bagwell main event. But when that match stunk up the joint that went out the window.
I remember watching that episode the fans got up and left loll, buff screwed him self going to vince and saying cut my pay I'll wrestle to get more screen time vince okay, week later fired loll
They also on smackdown had a couple of wcw only matches but TNN didn’t want WCW they wanted WWF shows I think that original timeslot they wanted on Saturday night became wwf exxes I think the show was called
@@ryankeefe6222 That's Axxess.
The main event shouldn't of been bagwell vs booker T it should of been Booker T vs the WWE champion in a Title for title match.
Every company has a bottom line and has to be fiscally responsible however I feel like if the XFL never existed or if it was actually successful, I guarantee you Vince would have bought out the contracts of the NWO Steiner Goldberg Sting and Bischoff and brought them in earlier because the return revenue on the full WCW in the invasion angle would’ve had a huge payoff and would’ve lasted a hell of a lot longer than survivor series of 2001. Plus imagine if Benoit and Guerrero were not out with injuries or rehab, and Triple H never got hurt what would’ve been. WWE lost so much money with the XFL….
The issue with these deals is people focus so much on if WWF could have afforded to pay them to come in when that alone isn’t really the issue. The real issue is the fallout going forward if you foot the bill to get them to return immediately. If you have someone like Goldberg who’s going to be paid $3.5M to stay home for another couple years, in other words $7M to do nothing, how much more do you need to pay him for it be worth going on tne road to work a schedule if you can make a fortune to stay home? That cost is going to be huge and that applies to all.
But the issue isn’t affording that but what does it do to your locker room morale? Or at a time where the top downside was $1M a year whah do you think the top stars are going to say if they see these guys come in making multiples of their downside? How does that change your pay structure for the years going forward? It isn’t todays cost nearly as much as the costs long term when your $1M downside suddenly jumps up to $4M+ a year. That’s a huge factor here.
Who the hell was gonna stay up till 1am to watch wrestling? Even in those times
F me man. With the amount if commercials on this podcast you think ol conrad would haver better broadband, editing and production. I could something up better myself using obs
Not everything is about money guys good lord lol. Sure business is but sheesh. LOL but great podcast as usual
Everything is about money. The WWE was already a publicly traded company by then. Their shareholders expect a higher profit every year.
Can't speak for the rest of the world but here in the UK after early 2000 I had more or less forgotten that WCW even still existed. It had become so irrelevant and inconsequential when compared to WWF.
Was only one of 2 ways seeing wrestling for us who weren't privileged enough to have sky 😂 wcw Worldwide i think it was called ? Used to be on Friday evenings on channel 5, then on Sunday afternoon we had heat on channel 4.... Great times
For the love of god stop saying Rumor and Innuendo
WCW didn't need a second show it head of above the others
This channel has some awful audio quality
BOOMER SOONER!!!!
I love JR but I fucking hate SAVE WITH CONRAD.
WcW was the greatest wrestling promotion of all time While Vince McMahon was forcing the worst gimmicks in the world down the viewers throats WcW was pushing the boundaries to a level never seen before still 20 years later WWE is still bitter cause they know it was better . Still bitter cause they know the nWo , the cruiser weight division, Goldberg, Booker T, Sting, ect we’re performing at a level that was Insane , there story lines were believable and most of all the WWF’s biggest draws all jumped ship cause the overall product was BETTER! dont get me wrong the Attitude era was great but without WcW there wouldnt be an attitude era WcW forced Vince’s hand to launch 🚀 something to compete with WcW cause they know they were getting destroyed!! Still WWE remains oblivious and bitter every time they release a WcW dvd, documentary ect its always watered down BS & to make WcW look inferior. WWE always try’s to change and rewrite history im so glad they look so stupid rn there roster is trash and that company is in complete turmoil only reason i watch wrestling is for nostalgic purposes aside from that you have to be put of your mind to say todays product is good
100 years from now, when nobody is left to remember how wrestling really was, everybody will believe that WWE's revisionist history was how everything really happened.... It's too bad....
Sort your shitty connection out!! You are professionals ffs.... what is the point of uploading a conversation with a wrestling legend and half of it is just blocked skipping jumping audio... and then have the cheek to put so many ads on it..
That would of made sense if they hadn't done the terrible ecw show
Yes. WCW Was A Threat To The WWE. Their Roster So Superior. WCW Had 3 Times As Many Built Guys Over 225 Pounds Than The WWE. In 2000 & 2001 For The Most The WWE Had 11 Of Them.
Stone Cold, Kurt Angle, The Rock, Triple H, Kane, Faarooq, Hardcore Holly,, Test, Billy Gunn, Bull Buchanan & Steve Blackman. And Steve Blackman Left In 2001 After His Final Qualifying King Of The Ring Match. And Triple H Got Injured In May 2001. And The Rock Was In Hollywood. That's 8 Built/Muscular Heavyweights. The WWE Were Afraid To Bring In The Top WCW Stars. WCW Had More Built/Muscular Heavyweights Top Stars Than The WWE Had On Their Whole Roster. And They Were Scared To Have The Same Number Of WCW Wrestlers As Them. I Can Name 32 Built Guys Over 225 Pounds WCW Had-Hollywood/Hulk Hogan, Goldberg, Lex Luger, Sting, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Sid Vicious, Randy Savage, Roddy Piper, Bret Hart, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Shawn Stasiak, Mike Awesome, Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'Haire, Mark Jindrak, Road Warrior Animal, Van Hammer,, Kronik, Stevie Ray, Horace Hogan, The Demon, Jerry Flynn, Konnan, Reno, Johnny The Bull, Curt Hennig, Kanyon Big T, Jeff Jarrett Was Fired By McMahon, Brutus Beefcake And Horshu.
They Still Had Top Stars Ric Flair & DDP. J.R. Is An Asskisser Bootlicker. The Other 18 WCW Wrestlers That Would Made The Rosters Even In Numbers 50, Were Hugh Morrus, Lance Storm, Billy Kidnan, Jamie Noble, Sergeant A-WOL, Rick Steiner, Bam Bam Bigelow, Meng & The Barbarian Should Jumped Ship Since Nobody Renembered Haku, He Was Best Known As Meng, Chavo Guerrero, Disco Inferno, Alex Wright, Mike Sanders, Lash LeRoux/Corporal Cajun, Sugar Greg Helms, Shannon Moore, Buff Bagwell & Big Vito.
Should have just kept them separate
cause it sucks
WWE SuperSucks & Then Some. They Really Wished They Had WCW 2000 Ratings. They May Never Draw It Again.
With WCW's Roster Being So Superior To The WWE's During The Attitude Era & Almost 2 Years Before The Attitude Era, Today's WWE Roster For Drawing Is Nothing Compared To WCW.
I can’t stand listening to either one of you. Heyull, deyull
People seem to forget that WCW already had it's own stand alone show.
It bombed. They went out of business.
Vince might be crazy, but he's not friggin crazy.
wwe today would kill to have wcw’s ratings even at their lowest point in 2000
@@mikeg2491 But that is just because TV as a medium in general is dying. Getting 1 Million people in the 18-49 demographic to turn on actual TV instead of a streaming service in 2022 is it's own miracle
Vince is a turd...... And a dishonest one at that.....His whole history tells the tale....