Like Cena was with the more casual casual and family oriented fans, CM Punk was the favorite of the dedicated wrestling fans. The front office not treating Punk well was seen by some fans as not treating us well.
@@vargas1569 I’m not even a Punk fan because of how he embarrassed the wrestling world in UFC. But his segment during the Summer of Punk was the last time Raw drew a 5.0 in the ratings. He brought in views & money with his merch haha.
CM Punk was probably the moment you could point to when you knew for sure WWE was no longer interested in people being organically over and just trying to force over only the people they like and nobody else. It's not like this hadn't happened before, they had had plenty of experiments fail before this, but when someone got over organically and somewhat unexpectedly, like Austin and Cena, they embraced it and encouraged it. Punk was when they started actively fighting the will of the audience. Since then they did the same thing to Daniel Bryan and Kofi Kingston, they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into acknowledging these guys, and made it clear every chance they got that they were doing so begrudgingly, and sabotaged and buried these guys the first chance they got in lieu of the guys THEY liked. Punk and Bryan were 2 once in a lifetime stars. And they just willingly flushed money down the toilet by not embracing them. When I was sure this was the course they were sticking with, that was when I jumped full time to AEW.
With Kofi yes, they gave him a begrudging title run and then buried him to once again push obscure up-and-comer Brock Lesnar. But I disagree on Daniel Bryan, he's been treated a lot better. They were heavily resistant at first what with stuff like Sheamus beating him in seconds, but they eventually came around and gave him what Punk never got, big main event at Mania going over two of their biggest golden boys. And ever since then he's been a perennial main eventer.
@@bruhvenant But that big main event at 30 was the big begrudging as hell moment for him, because they were trying to turn him heel with the Wyatt family with that lame ass storyline that no one bought like...less than a month before Wrestlemania, thinking that might cool him off. When the fans were legit hijacking whole shows, they had no other choice but to work him into the main event last minute. You better believe they would have gone forward with Batista vs Orton if the crowd hadn't forced them into that position. Then the first chance they got with that concussion, they put him on the shelf until they knew for SURE he had lost all his steam, even though he was ready to come back YEARS before they finally let him. Sure he's a main eventer now, but if they had embraced his organic chemistry with the audience at it's peak, he would have been bigger than Cena or Rock easily. And really, he's not positioned to be the top guy, he's positioned behind pretty much all the other main eventers now. Which is insane if you remember Peak Yes Movement.
@@knightshousegames begrudging or no, he hit the absolute peak of the mountain. Winning the WWE title at Wrestlemania over Orton and Batista is as good a booking as any wrestler could ever dream of, and certainly better than what Punk got. Also no I don’t think Bryan could’ve ever been Cena or Rock level I think he more or less hit his natural high point at that Wrestlemania and was going strong, you really can’t blame him getting injured on the WWE that’s kinda ridiculous.
I mean, yes, it's not only been hinted at by people within the WWE for years now, but it also should be obvious: Vince does not want enormous household name type superstars, because he doesn't want somebody to get extremely famous with the WWE's time/money & then disappear off to Hollywood or wherever. Vince doesn't hold it against Rock or Austin, because he loves them both & is grateful enough to them for what they did for the WWF/WWE, but it's also bothered him that he had 2 once-in-a-lifetime talents & the WWE didn't even get 10 years combined out of them as full-time superstars. Cena was the last guy close to that level & will be the last guy to ever get close to that level, not only because wrestling will NEVER be as big as it was in the late 90s/early 00s, but Vince would rather have big wrestling stars he can keep around over huge mainstream stars who'll have better options than staying in the WWE. It is possible that CM Punk could've had another huge push & headliner run, but what makes his story so unique is that he just walked out & really stuck with his belief that he didn't need to wrestle anymore. We'll never know if he could've had another great run because he didn't want to deal with the backstage shit anymore whether things were good or bad for him. Also funny that you decided "yep AEW is where it's at now", the promotion where nobody is over because everyone loses all the time, except for the guys who conveniently all have EVP positions & book themselves into lengthy title runs or in Cody's case, extremely drawn out feuds that only put over guys he's personally friends with (or who pay him as students at his school) & set him up as the returning hero babyface down the road. AEW gives more time to jobbers like Luchasaurus, Joey Janela, The Best Friends, & Rusev playing video games with Kip Sabian than actual potential stars like Ricky Starks or Pillman Jr. MJF was arguably the hottest heel talent in North America last year until he became a tap dancer who sings with Jericho & his new faction went about 2 weeks of existence before getting severely beaten up, pretty great booking.
@@wrestlingisdeadmoveonwithy8939 lol just an insane wall of text, are you ok or did somebody already call an ambulance for you? Pretty much everything you said was the wrong interpretation of events but to just quickly mention your starting rambling: very funny to mention how Austin never minded losing on his way up, but to also completely ignore his problem with losing to Brock on free TV combined with the lack of quality heels for him to have programs with, which led him to walking out on the WWE, then also turning around & acting like Punk was crazy for walking out because he was tired of dealing with shitheads like Ryback in feuds or Triple H's backstage issues with Punk. Stone Cold & Punk's stories are actually fairly similar, which is probably part of why they're friends, but keep having a meltdown over it if you want to so badly.
JR puts this so well. Punk made himself this mega star in the professional wrestling world in spite of the politicking and backstage underhandedness. He’s a fascinating figure in the history of pro wrestling. The key thing is he was never fully embraced by the powers that be in WWE. Besides WWE and Tony Khan if they offered him F you money to wrestle on a pay-per-view one more time it would probably set Punk and his family for life.
@@Snapmaw He was NEVER a mega star, u don't know what a mega star is otherwise u wouldn't make such a dumb comment. There's literally only ever been like a handful of mega stars in wrestling history, punk sure as hell wasn't one. He wasn't even close to being one.
@@wrestlingisdeadmoveonwithy8939 The facts don't lie he was the biggest draw in that time period, the guy was selling more merch than Cena at one point. I don't know why you're so sensitive on the matter. Just saw your comment on another video about punk and triple h so you're an obvious troll account lol
Always liked cm punk. I grew up watching him and his unique skill sets being very well rounded. Jr I'm big fan of your channel content. Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪
I remember wondering how they went from Cena vs Punk for the title, which I was very interested in, to Punk vs Nash, which I had no interest in. Even hearing it described I still have trouble wrapping my head around it.
biggest booking fuckup in the 10s-20s imo, even with all that bs Punk still became a huge draw. Imagine if they capitalized on this BEFORE the 434 day reign
Cm Punk Could Wrestle,Do Promos,Be A Great Heel Or Baby Face,Hell He Could Even Commentate For Goodness Sakes Give The Man His Flowers While He Still Here 💯🐐
I remember during that one ecw elimination chamber, Punk was the most over guy in hat match despite being new, and RVD, another guy who was always monster over with the crowd, was also in that match for comparison. So what did they do? Eliminate the two most over guys in the match early. The two guys the crowd wanted to see, to finish off with Lashley and Big Show. Even from the beginning they were dropping the ball on one of their most valuable players.
People who actually know wrestling like JR and Heyman love CM Punk It's the people who don't understand wrestling like Vince McMahon and The Young Bucks who don't like Punk
The Pipe Bomb was the best promo since Austin 3:16. They should've strapped a rocket to him at that point, I know so many people who say Punk got them back watching wrestling and that includes me.
Its so depressing looking back at that promo now and MITB knowing what would happen with Triple H and Kevin Nash with his stupid phone, just absolute nonsense booking.
this was the time my interest in WWE came back and quickly died. they had the undisputed number 1 attraction in wrestling, biggest since the attitude era with so many layers where wrestling and reality was blurred and it wasn’t clear, is this a shoot? is this a work? then kevin nash shows up and it’s the shits.
Honestly, Kevin Nash showing up didn’t bother me. The storyline that proceeded with it did. When Punk should of faced Nash, and then led to HHH, they did some convoluted who sent the text nonsense. I stand by that it had potential, I don’t actually hate Nash, thought it would lead to an eventual HHH Punk feud, and that did happen but they fumbled that huge.
Yeah, wrestling as it once was, and arguably should be, is dead. Just like you, I briefly came back after hating what wrestling became after the 2006-2009 Cena push. The CM Punk stuff was interesting, but I knew it wouldn't really change the show in the long run. He left and WWE went back to being something I didn't care for any more.
@@westnile21 I disagree. Anytime someone even remotely mentions wrestling around Punk he gets disrespectful and just takes a dump on those who ask. I wish he would just come out and say: "Never again. Don't ask anymore because I won't come back."
@@levibradley5098 - I meant when he was in WWE not now that he’s not in the business anymore. But you know what they say once a worker always a worker so I feel he’s just working everybody. He says he’ll only come back if the story is right, the opponent is right and of course if the money is right. But I genuinely believe that WWE sucked the love or pro wrestling out of Punk that he honestly doesn’t want anything to do with it anymore and I don’t blame him.
1) He doesn't have the steroid bodybuilder look that the WWE wants 2) He isn't the sort of character that the WWE writers like to write for. 3) The writers and "creative" don't get him or the character. 4) He was only ever pushed at all because several other people were hurt or out temporarily. He was always considered a "temporary" thing to be used at the top until other people they were grooming were ready.
1) The general public made the body builder look popular, nice revisionist history, when people think of violence, they think of strength, muscles, just like superheroes, but a low iq smark like u apparently needs this explained to u 2) how would u know what character the writers would like to write for? Just assumption garbage to justify punks failures 3) Yes it's kinda hard to get the "character" that was complaining about "Why can't things be good again" when he also complaining why his lame indie friends weren't given chances in the company, the exact opposite of when "things were good" in the WWE 4) Oh geez, I guess it's such a wrong thing to not have wanted a failure like cm punk who did nothing for ratings at the main event scene
@@FritaLay And that's where you're truly beyond help, Rey Mysterio is one of the biggest names in wrestling history, do u even know just how big he is with the Hispanic and Latino demographic? Mysterio used to actually draw ratings back then, cm punk never drew a damn thing
What’s crazy is ppl like Austin didn’t play and always backed himself in the backstage and it’s documented well by other legends. Cena included and randy included and they are praised for it. But punk who as a baby face was going over with the crowd like hell and then not one person in the backstage game him his respect business wise.
I quit watching all wrestling in 1999. Punk was the first thing that got me interested in it again. That lead to Danial Bryan and pretty much nothing sense in WWE.
I stopped watching the day after wrestlemainia 25 and didn't watch again till that pipe bomb shoot. Awesome stuff. To bad WWE will never get to that height ever again.
CM Punk was the real life version of what Stone Cold Steve Austin character was. Defies authority but the authorities didn’t want to just get rid of him because of the ratings.
He's right though.... After the likes of hbk leaving too, cm punk left a massive hole in the roster that couldn't be filled. Hbk was my all time favourite and still is. There was still enough entrigue in the show for me to stay after he retired. Cm punk leaving was when I stopped watching too. Only watch royal rumble and wrestlemania now. This year's wrestlemania was hard to watch and it was quite decent. It could be my last. There's no way we're the only 2 in the world punk leaving made us leave too. Viewership for wwe is drastically down and we continues to decline.
WWE - and all wrestling - only pushes who it _wants_ to push. There are some very rare exceptions, and Punk was one of them (Daniel Bryan's another) - but even then, WWE's good grace was always only "on loan", before it returned to showcasing the guys it wanted to be stars.
When I was a kid, I loved those things during their original run back in the late 80s. If you can find the Star Wars Millenium Falcon ice cream bars (which also did a brief WWE version with John Cena and others. No CM Punk though.), those are pretty close.
3:30 And now 2 years later it’s happened again & this time WWE wasn’t able to fix it (Adam Cole.) Lauranitis has always been terrible as the head of talent relations. Not the most popular guy to reference, but Cornette has all kinds of stories about how Johnny Ace would F things up for the talent, OVW, & WWE.
I Grew up right at the start of the attitude era, with WCW still a major competitor.. after the attitude era stopped.. and the Rock was a returning crowd service .... but years later my lil cousin was into it and i had no idea who anyone was... however my cousin seemed to be absolutely over the moon for C.M. Punk and Shawn Michaels ... im like.. hmm i know one of those... anyways, i liked the energy it had then too.. now WWE just feels like someone hosting a private show for themselves in a basement..
It was such a missed opportunity. CM Punk could have gone to wrestle for independent promotions holding the WWE belt. WWE could have shown footage if this week after week. Then after a month or two Vince comes out and creates a duplicate belt and bestows a new champ and then you have Punk sneaking into Raw shows to attack the new champ, calling them a fake, an imposter etc. You have the new champ attack Punk at an indie show. This could have been huge.
exactly. in fact, WWE ought to have done with ROH what they did with ECW or USWA and use it as a feeder, occasionally paying them to help out and then have punk appear I think Steen was ROH champ at the time they could have had an unsanctioned Champ vs Champ match.
when was this recorded because Serena Deeb is on AEW/NWA edit: nevermind sounds about 2019 cause they mention CM Punk's return to WWE Backstage also they couldve made the last match a Triple Threat w Cena, Rock and Punk or build Punk a strong build for the main event (since he carried the company the year leading up to it as "the guy")
He was ready to walk after the Taker match. He was beat up, and I think him and Lita were on the outs. He had some time off, and was enjoying his life. Where he lives very few people knew or cared about who he is. To me work was work and his time was his time. Whenever I saw him, that’s the vibe I got. He would shoot the shit about all kinds stuff, but not wrestling.
@@gabrielguzman6018 I’m aware. But I know people who know him (the lady that tattooed his chest). She said even before the Taker match he was banged up, had no time to heal, hadn’t had time off in a long time, and he needed a break. But he was on the biggest run of his career. They went out to eat and she had to get people to stop asking him for pictures (but he’s such a dick to fans). My point was it was a long time coming before it actually happened.
Never really cared for his in ring work but boy did he have IT on all other areas. I stopped watching wrestling prior to his era but relived it on RUclips.
Its unfortunate punk was champion for a year but they treated him like a midcard champion putting him in the middle of shows and got no marketing He barely main evented ppvs And didn't main event either Wm as champion cena was still the face of raw and all PPVs Punk deserved to Mainevent wrestlemania
dont forget at Over the Limit 2012 :: we had cm punk vs bryan in one of the best matches of all time. and the main event was john cena vs john laurinitas LOL. then at No Way Out we had cm punk vs bryan vs kane for the title.... but the main event was john cena vs the big show LOL
No doubt he signed a new contract absolutely no way was Vince/ WWE was going to allow a guy they truly weren't behind at least according to Paul HHH win the match then leave next day.
Cm punk wasn't fake I loved it now if he didn't get concussed at royal rumble he would jobbed to hhh and probably leave at summerslam but it happened and he bounced
CM Punk's problem is that he gets what wrestling is, and he knows it. So when someone does something that's bad for business, he's going to say something about it, right or wrong. You need guys like that to give a company a reality check. The question is, are you going to listen to the constructive criticism or are you going to act like a child? Granted, someone should have told him certain behaviour wasn't appropriate, but I get it. If you know you're right, you're going to have an ego.
Anyone else think wrestling has sunk lower and lower since like 2016? I feel like 2015 was the last truly great WWE year. It was still kinda geeky and looked down upon but NXT was taking off with the likes of KO and Finn Balor. I kinda feel like WWE got so popular worldwide that they could never take a risk anymore, in terms of what they say and show and even down to the booking and the ringstyles... Doesn't it feel like every wrestler (and I use that term lightly) has one of two movesets nowadays? Either the generic, 'athletic' crossfit guy that used to be an "indie guy" or the just power moves and demolition guy? Sorry for the rant. ✌️
Cm had a bit of arrogance but come on what Top guy did not have a chip on his shoulder or over confident in himself? Almost all the Top guys did so he had to make the most of it quote on quote.
All I remember of CM Punk was him ranting a lot in the ring. I love Chris Jericho. CM Punk was like an annoying version of Chris. He didn't look like a champion. I dont remember CM Punk as a wrestler
Punk will come back for a run.. Contract to make appearances and wrestle only 2 times a month. And wrestle around 4 payperviews a year. He has the mic skills to keep a storyline going so he doesn't have to wrestle a crazy schedule. Vince should just throw a few mill at him. I know they don't care about ratings these days but it would be great for the company and the fans. Need something new .
What Nash stated about CM Punk....I mean....after you really visualize it....I swear I can see CM Punk -cooking in the back of a waffle house, hair-net on *with a cigarette hanging from his mouth at around 3:47am!
Great ideas in wrestling can come from anywhere. A wrestler, a promoter, a writer, etc. Should be a team effort. It should be about making the best product possible.
If WWE were trying to make Cena the next Stone Cold, they would have embraced the mixed reactions rather than shove him down our throats as a babyface. He was booked like Hulk, virtually always winning and the growing boos whitewashed as much as possible.
Looking back in hindsight he was treated very well honestly. I was a kid during his peak. I was like 9-13 from 2010-14 and from my POV he was the most genuinely over guy in the company. From 2012 until he was getting the biggest reaction out of any other guy on the roster. Even towards his exit he was the only guy who could get a pop close to the magnitude of Daniel Bryan. He had the WWE championship for 434 days. He held down raw having some of the best matches in the company for a year. Punk vs Bryan at Over the Limit, Punk vs Jericho at Mania and Extreme Rules. Punk vs Cena at NOC.
Like WWE brought in so many new guys around 2005-08. Ziggler, Kofi, Cody, John Morrison etc. Punk was the one who broke through and became a star first. A real star
@@SheanWalsh46 they didn't bury him but they never took advantage of it . After king of ring 1996 he only foguht uppermidcard in ppv .his career caught steam agian after Bret worked with him
Funny thing is a lot of people who were at that live event when punk did the pipe bomb said they filmed another episode right after that because of scheduling issues the next week and he was supposed to be suspended. No, he was there and it was all a work. It was good but it wasn’t a one off shoot like everyone thought..
I don’t get this thing where you acquire an asset, the asset proves to be valuable but you won’t use it. I’m not a wrestling promoter but whenever I buy or acquire something, wherever it is, the idea is that I will find value in it and use it. I’m not looking to hate it and not use it. Makes no sense. That said to be fair the E did license at least two themes, gave him a long title reign and pushed him as a top guy as well as did shoot angles they weren’t doing that much at the time.. They were slow to pick up on it and could have done more but the E did push him. Sometimes. Part of this self indulgent booking is because they had no competition. CM Punk gets over in 1996 - 1998 WWF and they strap a rocket to him. Because WCW was a real threat. No room to say “not my vision of what a top worker should be so I’ll pass”.
I hated it when HHH threw Punk out of the Rumble, it really didn’t get the pop he thought it would, From the outside it seemed like HHH just did not like Punk, such a waste
Everyone putting CM Punk down on here you all don't get it. He is a culture icon to the fans. He dropped the pipe bomb heard round the world. He saw the truth behind Bruce Pritchard, Triple H ,Vince and Loranitis's BS. He was truly burnt out on something he loved and fought for. The product at WWE is crap now. Not one person can say or predict what will happen. I know this you better do your research on all the talent in AEW. Just because Old Vince didn't make them all you uneducated need to understand these guys were also house hold names. Adam Cole left they were going to crap on him. He was big before NXT. Also anyone who would get rid of Bray Wyatt is stupid. He has a great mind for the business. He fooled them though he didn't let them get all the good ideas. The crapped on the fiend gimmick. If done right would have been one of the greatest. The ruined it because if you stand up to them that is what they do. When and where he shows up at the gimmick he is going to pull out will lay waste to anything WWE will ever have. I hope in 5 years WWE is just a memory.
cm punk made wrestling amazing again. before him it was so cool. he made it cooler. he took it to a place that is an everest, such a high peak that hasnt been close to being touch... i havent been able to watch since punk
CM Punk now gets pops for just sitting with his legs crossed in the ring, in many ways him walking away from WWE and staying away from wrestling for so long only strengthened his mythos and allure, he managed to transcend wrestling, they should've given him everything he wanted back then just dropped everything else and ran with it but its the classic WWE way, you will like who they want you to like, organic fan interest doesn't create stars they force the creation of the stars they want and then try to manufacture the fan interest around them.
Punk couldn't cut a decent promo without burying the business. His le epic pipe bombs amount to nothing more than variations of "WRESTLING'S FAAAAAAKE!" A wrestler won't ever draw money by burying his opponent. He's just another guy who thought he was way better than he really was.
How old is this clip? Because JR has been calling serena deeb matches on Dynamite Note - def more than 12 months (wwe spring cleaning at the beginning of the pandemic) less than 28 months (debut of aew dynamite)
They recycle these things so much. This was probably first recorded before aew was even thought of (I don't have proof just going by what I've seen over and over)
one of the things i've come to respect about Punk over these past few weeks in what he's been saying is where he mentions that he knows when it comes time to be serious. he's very articulate, has a good sense of what he needs to do, treats the business with respect when he's given the proper opportunity and manages to execute on what he does. it's a rare gift to have that level of talent from all ends. also, in seeing his Dark closing moments, he does come across as being quite self-aware, which is critical for anyone, especially in a profession like wrestling where egos can run rampant, people get into echo chambers or prefer walling themselves in rather than allowing themselves to hear valid criticisms. this is a very mature person who has his head on his shoulders straight. looking at the stuff he's doing right now with Darby Allin reminds me of what i imagine he would like to bring back to wrestling. just old school, honorable, basic pro-wrestling. nothing completely flashy, put both guys over, take a hungry kid who is almost like looking oneself in the mirror and let's see what happens. the issue here is the question of can Punk still go. that's the answer we're looking for on the PPV. Punk gets pro-wrestling and what it's supposed to be. i really hope that he can serve as one of the leading role models for people within AEW. he's looked great since returning, he sounds perfect and can he help smooth over the "rough edges" as he's described AEW over. i think he can. i think what would be great between CM Punk and Darby at All Out, if I allow myself some indulgence in fantasy booking, is having a 15 minute max time limit that goes to a draw. i wouldn't have desperate fast pin falls at the end but just two guys that got lost and not realizing 15 minutes were up. but in both cases we can see CM Punk still being able to hang with a younger person while Darby shows that he can not be intimidated by Punk's celebrity. that way they have just enough time to tell a story, give CM Punk time to show his endurance but allow people a taste of what both can do while leaving the desire for more in the future. no post match run ins but a firm handshake of respect, a nod of the head with both guys going, "I'll see you another time!"
People always talk about how Vince is professional and will do business with anyone but truth is he’s super petty and will humiliate talent or hold them back just for stupid reasons. Why would anyone want to work with this man? CM Punk could’ve been equivalent to Stone Cold but Vince/HHH got in the way.
Funny enough on the show that got Conrad on the map, Something To Wrestle, Bruce Pritchard regularly buried the hell out of CM Punk, and most definitely said he looked like a waffle house short order cook.
CM Punk will never be the guy as long as he's straight edge CM Punk! He has major complex trauma he doesn't want to resolve. I'd like to see him change and not be a Mr. Missionary forever but it don't look like he'll do it
I’ve loved wwe since I was young and I’m starting to really hate how they treat people who have done so much for the company, I understand it all can’t be great but certain decisions like Austin leaving because he was in the right not wanting to lose to Brock Lesnar, it made no sense at all
I got a feeling Punk would’ve never been happy no matter what, like the dude was unpleaseable, he re-signs in 2011, is there 2.5 more years before he leaves for good. During that 2.5 years, he beats John Cena for the belt in his hometown, he has a 434 day run as world champion, a great run with Paul Heyman as his manager, then in his final year there, he main events the Royal Rumble with The Rock, headlines Wrestlemania with The Undertaker in a streak match, then gets 2 months off for vacation, then headlines Summerslam with Brock Lesnar, all the while making huge money, and the dude is STILL BITCHING and unhappy. Nothing would’ve ever made him happy.
You're kidding right? The wwe did not respect him. They booked him piss poor and killed his momentum. He was never treated like the top guy even when he was the champion. He should have been in the main event with Cena and rock. They neglected his health so much that he almost DIED. Between their incompetence, backstage politics, and complete disregard, he was burnt out. They literally made him hate doing what he loved.
Like Cena was with the more casual casual and family oriented fans, CM Punk was the favorite of the dedicated wrestling fans. The front office not treating Punk well was seen by some fans as not treating us well.
Lmao punk never drew a penny. “Dedicated rasslin fans” don’t account for anything relevant
“Dedicated wrestling fans” you guys are not special.
Speak for yourself. Always thought he was wack
@@vargas1569 I’m not even a Punk fan because of how he embarrassed the wrestling world in UFC. But his segment during the Summer of Punk was the last time Raw drew a 5.0 in the ratings. He brought in views & money with his merch haha.
@@ricflair8907 I was a Punk fan from his days in ROH. He moved merch and drew eyeballs. The OG Summer of Punk is some of my favorite wrestling.
CM Punk was probably the moment you could point to when you knew for sure WWE was no longer interested in people being organically over and just trying to force over only the people they like and nobody else.
It's not like this hadn't happened before, they had had plenty of experiments fail before this, but when someone got over organically and somewhat unexpectedly, like Austin and Cena, they embraced it and encouraged it.
Punk was when they started actively fighting the will of the audience. Since then they did the same thing to Daniel Bryan and Kofi Kingston, they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into acknowledging these guys, and made it clear every chance they got that they were doing so begrudgingly, and sabotaged and buried these guys the first chance they got in lieu of the guys THEY liked.
Punk and Bryan were 2 once in a lifetime stars. And they just willingly flushed money down the toilet by not embracing them.
When I was sure this was the course they were sticking with, that was when I jumped full time to AEW.
With Kofi yes, they gave him a begrudging title run and then buried him to once again push obscure up-and-comer Brock Lesnar. But I disagree on Daniel Bryan, he's been treated a lot better. They were heavily resistant at first what with stuff like Sheamus beating him in seconds, but they eventually came around and gave him what Punk never got, big main event at Mania going over two of their biggest golden boys. And ever since then he's been a perennial main eventer.
@@bruhvenant But that big main event at 30 was the big begrudging as hell moment for him, because they were trying to turn him heel with the Wyatt family with that lame ass storyline that no one bought like...less than a month before Wrestlemania, thinking that might cool him off. When the fans were legit hijacking whole shows, they had no other choice but to work him into the main event last minute. You better believe they would have gone forward with Batista vs Orton if the crowd hadn't forced them into that position.
Then the first chance they got with that concussion, they put him on the shelf until they knew for SURE he had lost all his steam, even though he was ready to come back YEARS before they finally let him.
Sure he's a main eventer now, but if they had embraced his organic chemistry with the audience at it's peak, he would have been bigger than Cena or Rock easily. And really, he's not positioned to be the top guy, he's positioned behind pretty much all the other main eventers now. Which is insane if you remember Peak Yes Movement.
@@knightshousegames begrudging or no, he hit the absolute peak of the mountain. Winning the WWE title at Wrestlemania over Orton and Batista is as good a booking as any wrestler could ever dream of, and certainly better than what Punk got. Also no I don’t think Bryan could’ve ever been Cena or Rock level I think he more or less hit his natural high point at that Wrestlemania and was going strong, you really can’t blame him getting injured on the WWE that’s kinda ridiculous.
I mean, yes, it's not only been hinted at by people within the WWE for years now, but it also should be obvious: Vince does not want enormous household name type superstars, because he doesn't want somebody to get extremely famous with the WWE's time/money & then disappear off to Hollywood or wherever. Vince doesn't hold it against Rock or Austin, because he loves them both & is grateful enough to them for what they did for the WWF/WWE, but it's also bothered him that he had 2 once-in-a-lifetime talents & the WWE didn't even get 10 years combined out of them as full-time superstars. Cena was the last guy close to that level & will be the last guy to ever get close to that level, not only because wrestling will NEVER be as big as it was in the late 90s/early 00s, but Vince would rather have big wrestling stars he can keep around over huge mainstream stars who'll have better options than staying in the WWE.
It is possible that CM Punk could've had another huge push & headliner run, but what makes his story so unique is that he just walked out & really stuck with his belief that he didn't need to wrestle anymore. We'll never know if he could've had another great run because he didn't want to deal with the backstage shit anymore whether things were good or bad for him.
Also funny that you decided "yep AEW is where it's at now", the promotion where nobody is over because everyone loses all the time, except for the guys who conveniently all have EVP positions & book themselves into lengthy title runs or in Cody's case, extremely drawn out feuds that only put over guys he's personally friends with (or who pay him as students at his school) & set him up as the returning hero babyface down the road. AEW gives more time to jobbers like Luchasaurus, Joey Janela, The Best Friends, & Rusev playing video games with Kip Sabian than actual potential stars like Ricky Starks or Pillman Jr. MJF was arguably the hottest heel talent in North America last year until he became a tap dancer who sings with Jericho & his new faction went about 2 weeks of existence before getting severely beaten up, pretty great booking.
@@wrestlingisdeadmoveonwithy8939 lol just an insane wall of text, are you ok or did somebody already call an ambulance for you?
Pretty much everything you said was the wrong interpretation of events but to just quickly mention your starting rambling: very funny to mention how Austin never minded losing on his way up, but to also completely ignore his problem with losing to Brock on free TV combined with the lack of quality heels for him to have programs with, which led him to walking out on the WWE, then also turning around & acting like Punk was crazy for walking out because he was tired of dealing with shitheads like Ryback in feuds or Triple H's backstage issues with Punk. Stone Cold & Punk's stories are actually fairly similar, which is probably part of why they're friends, but keep having a meltdown over it if you want to so badly.
He got over and was never intended to get over.
You said it best.
JR puts this so well. Punk made himself this mega star in the professional wrestling world in spite of the politicking and backstage underhandedness. He’s a fascinating figure in the history of pro wrestling. The key thing is he was never fully embraced by the powers that be in WWE. Besides WWE and Tony Khan if they offered him F you money to wrestle on a pay-per-view one more time it would probably set Punk and his family for life.
Punks a whiney bollox greeting from Dublin Ireland 🇮🇪
Punk was not a mega star, what a stupid comment
@@wrestlingisdeadmoveonwithy8939 He was between 2011/2012 like the guy or not he was huge during that period
@@Snapmaw
He was NEVER a mega star, u don't know what a mega star is otherwise u wouldn't make such a dumb comment. There's literally only ever been like a handful of mega stars in wrestling history, punk sure as hell wasn't one. He wasn't even close to being one.
@@wrestlingisdeadmoveonwithy8939 The facts don't lie he was the biggest draw in that time period, the guy was selling more merch than Cena at one point. I don't know why you're so sensitive on the matter.
Just saw your comment on another video about punk and triple h so you're an obvious troll account lol
Always liked cm punk.
I grew up watching him and his unique skill sets being very well rounded. Jr I'm big fan of your channel content.
Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪
I agree, very underrated faction. I loved the SES.
In memory you love them, but at the time, I bet you hated them heels
@@j.3o21 I used to watch every week for them. I always loved heels, even when i was a little kid, I wanted Hogan to lose to Undertaker or Savage.
I remember wondering how they went from Cena vs Punk for the title, which I was very interested in, to Punk vs Nash, which I had no interest in. Even hearing it described I still have trouble wrapping my head around it.
That whole "stick the winner" angle was so bad. It's like they were trying to drag him down.
Yeah kevin nash is one my my OGs for sure but, i dont even think hes a fan of that storyline anymore lol
biggest booking fuckup in the 10s-20s imo, even with all that bs Punk still became a huge draw. Imagine if they capitalized on this BEFORE the 434 day reign
Cm Punk Could Wrestle,Do Promos,Be A Great Heel Or Baby Face,Hell He Could Even Commentate For Goodness Sakes Give The Man His Flowers While He Still Here 💯🐐
Yep!
Why u capping every word? Moron
Punk sucks...UFC lmfao
Rick B seriously he’s main reason wrestling is what it is today terrible. And ya we’ve seen he’s definitely no mma star.
@@serawesomebillofdawsonvill8070 right
@@Heroesworkshop what have u do e goofball? U aint no Hero lmfao
Watch the match with Cm punk, Hardy boyz, HHH and Hbk. The crowd were high on Cm punk that time already.
Pretty sure that soured HHH.
That was survivor series right? Punk was in ECW then
@@ejjk-11 Survivor Series 2006 I believe, Punk was well known on the Indie scene and Roh before he ever came to scene.
I remember during that one ecw elimination chamber, Punk was the most over guy in hat match despite being new, and RVD, another guy who was always monster over with the crowd, was also in that match for comparison. So what did they do? Eliminate the two most over guys in the match early. The two guys the crowd wanted to see, to finish off with Lashley and Big Show. Even from the beginning they were dropping the ball on one of their most valuable players.
The fans here are true ultras remembering from that little info what PPV that was well done
JR is one of the few people who always respected Punk and knew who he really was.
JR and Bret for sure
@@N1120A I've always thought of JR as towing the company line. Maybe I was wrong.
wasn't Paul heyman a big Punk fan too?
@@GavinWoods JR was in good with the company but not at the cost of the boys.
People who actually know wrestling like JR and Heyman love CM Punk
It's the people who don't understand wrestling like Vince McMahon and The Young Bucks who don't like Punk
When u look at where the wwe is now they 100% should’ve given punk everything he wanted back then.
Including and especially the ice cream bars
The Pipe Bomb was the best promo since Austin 3:16. They should've strapped a rocket to him at that point, I know so many people who say Punk got them back watching wrestling and that includes me.
Lmao uhh Scott Steiner? Hello?
@@vargas1569 😂😂😂
The amount of money WWE could have made if they did Punk right.
Its so depressing looking back at that promo now and MITB knowing what would happen with Triple H and Kevin Nash with his stupid phone, just absolute nonsense booking.
this was the time my interest in WWE came back and quickly died. they had the undisputed number 1 attraction in wrestling, biggest since the attitude era with so many layers where wrestling and reality was blurred and it wasn’t clear, is this a shoot? is this a work? then kevin nash shows up and it’s the shits.
Honestly, Kevin Nash showing up didn’t bother me. The storyline that proceeded with it did. When Punk should of faced Nash, and then led to HHH, they did some convoluted who sent the text nonsense.
I stand by that it had potential, I don’t actually hate Nash, thought it would lead to an eventual HHH Punk feud, and that did happen but they fumbled that huge.
Yeah, wrestling as it once was, and arguably should be, is dead. Just like you, I briefly came back after hating what wrestling became after the 2006-2009 Cena push. The CM Punk stuff was interesting, but I knew it wouldn't really change the show in the long run. He left and WWE went back to being something I didn't care for any more.
WWE management hated Punk, he didn’t need their “brand marketing” to make him huge.
Punk didn't do himself any favors by being unbearable to the point of Shawn Michaels in the 90s.
@@levibradley5098 - Punk was nowhere near the “primadonna” as Shawn was.
@@westnile21 I disagree. Anytime someone even remotely mentions wrestling around Punk he gets disrespectful and just takes a dump on those who ask. I wish he would just come out and say: "Never again. Don't ask anymore because I won't come back."
@@levibradley5098 - I meant when he was in WWE not now that he’s not in the business anymore. But you know what they say once a worker always a worker so I feel he’s just working everybody. He says he’ll only come back if the story is right, the opponent is right and of course if the money is right. But I genuinely believe that WWE sucked the love or pro wrestling out of Punk that he honestly doesn’t want anything to do with it anymore and I don’t blame him.
@@westnile21 Then stop being a dick. There's working and then there is disrespect, and Wrestling as a whole does not owe Punk a thing.
1) He doesn't have the steroid bodybuilder look that the WWE wants
2) He isn't the sort of character that the WWE writers like to write for.
3) The writers and "creative" don't get him or the character.
4) He was only ever pushed at all because several other people were hurt or out temporarily. He was always considered a "temporary" thing to be used at the top until other people they were grooming were ready.
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@God Level
Oh look a worthless smark
1) The general public made the body builder look popular, nice revisionist history, when people think of violence, they think of strength, muscles, just like superheroes, but a low iq smark like u apparently needs this explained to u
2) how would u know what character the writers would like to write for? Just assumption garbage to justify punks failures
3) Yes it's kinda hard to get the "character" that was complaining about "Why can't things be good again" when he also complaining why his lame indie friends weren't given chances in the company, the exact opposite of when "things were good" in the WWE
4) Oh geez, I guess it's such a wrong thing to not have wanted a failure like cm punk who did nothing for ratings at the main event scene
@@wrestlingisdeadmoveonwithy8939 The summer of Punk was more over than any Rey Mysterio moment moron 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@FritaLay
And that's where you're truly beyond help, Rey Mysterio is one of the biggest names in wrestling history, do u even know just how big he is with the Hispanic and Latino demographic? Mysterio used to actually draw ratings back then, cm punk never drew a damn thing
The crowd: "CM PUNK!" "CM PUNK!" "CM PUNK!"
WWE: Kevin Nash's music hits....
Tearing a quad?
Nash did nail him with the wafflehouse cook line.
What’s crazy is ppl like Austin didn’t play and always backed himself in the backstage and it’s documented well by other legends. Cena included and randy included and they are praised for it. But punk who as a baby face was going over with the crowd like hell and then not one person in the backstage game him his respect business wise.
Serena was so undervalued in WWE, shes amazing
She's one of the best women's wrestlers in the game today.
They made her the #2 women's trainer. I wouldn't call that undervalued.
I quit watching all wrestling in 1999. Punk was the first thing that got me interested in it again. That lead to Danial Bryan and pretty much nothing sense in WWE.
I stopped watching the day after wrestlemainia 25 and didn't watch again till that pipe bomb shoot. Awesome stuff. To bad WWE will never get to that height ever again.
Punk vs Samoa Joe at Ring of Honor, 60 minutes of Pure Wrestling when Samoa Joe was the Monster Champion of Ring of Honor
U stopped watching wrestling in 1999 and a fake tough guy like cm punk who cut promos that didn't even make sense got u back into Wrestling? K idiot
@@wrestlingisdeadmoveonwithy8939 Is this the new CM Puke?
@b s Hooking up with women was more important than watching tv.
CM Punk was the real life version of what Stone Cold Steve Austin character was. Defies authority but the authorities didn’t want to just get rid of him because of the ratings.
I agree, Stone Cold was a character, CM Punk is Phill Brooks and vice-versa
stone cold had 10x more organic charisma and could cut a promo 10x better thank punk
And the WWE made a big mistake. If Punk was still around I would of never stopped watching.
You probably bankrupted the company by not watching anymore
Wow. The Fed messed up. Wow. I had no idea. Tell us more
He's right though.... After the likes of hbk leaving too, cm punk left a massive hole in the roster that couldn't be filled.
Hbk was my all time favourite and still is. There was still enough entrigue in the show for me to stay after he retired.
Cm punk leaving was when I stopped watching too. Only watch royal rumble and wrestlemania now.
This year's wrestlemania was hard to watch and it was quite decent. It could be my last.
There's no way we're the only 2 in the world punk leaving made us leave too. Viewership for wwe is drastically down and we continues to decline.
would HAVE
I need him back to the WWE
JR couldn't be more correct!! I would want a say in my 'character'
I remember Taker thought he should be more professional wearing suits as champ but outside of that HHH jr was great for the business
I stopped watching WWE after CM Punk left. Longtime fan from roh AND underrated ovw days.
WWE - and all wrestling - only pushes who it _wants_ to push. There are some very rare exceptions, and Punk was one of them (Daniel Bryan's another) - but even then, WWE's good grace was always only "on loan", before it returned to showcasing the guys it wanted to be stars.
Neither of those guys have the believable look of a world heavyweight champion
Making me hungry with that steak man.....Shesh!🤣🤣
I wanted those ice cream bars lol
So did I.
I can't believe that the ice cream company said they couldn't make them anymore. 😡
They can make anything if they want to.
When I was a kid, I loved those things during their original run back in the late 80s. If you can find the Star Wars Millenium Falcon ice cream bars (which also did a brief WWE version with John Cena and others. No CM Punk though.), those are pretty close.
I seen them at family dollar the other day and i just remembered this moment in wrestling
Same!! Would've helped his run so much.
3:30 And now 2 years later it’s happened again & this time WWE wasn’t able to fix it (Adam Cole.)
Lauranitis has always been terrible as the head of talent relations. Not the most popular guy to reference, but Cornette has all kinds of stories about how Johnny Ace would F things up for the talent, OVW, & WWE.
I Grew up right at the start of the attitude era, with WCW still a major competitor.. after the attitude era stopped.. and the Rock was a returning crowd service .... but years later my lil cousin was into it and i had no idea who anyone was... however my cousin seemed to be absolutely over the moon for C.M. Punk and Shawn Michaels ... im like.. hmm i know one of those... anyways, i liked the energy it had then too.. now WWE just feels like someone hosting a private show for themselves in a basement..
It was such a missed opportunity. CM Punk could have gone to wrestle for independent promotions holding the WWE belt. WWE could have shown footage if this week after week. Then after a month or two Vince comes out and creates a duplicate belt and bestows a new champ and then you have Punk sneaking into Raw shows to attack the new champ, calling them a fake, an imposter etc. You have the new champ attack Punk at an indie show. This could have been huge.
exactly. in fact, WWE ought to have done with ROH what they did with ECW or USWA and use it as a feeder, occasionally paying them to help out and then have punk appear I think Steen was ROH champ at the time they could have had an unsanctioned Champ vs Champ match.
Holy shit I never realized that was Serena deeb
when was this recorded because Serena Deeb is on AEW/NWA
edit: nevermind sounds about 2019 cause they mention CM Punk's return to WWE Backstage
also they couldve made the last match a Triple Threat w Cena, Rock and Punk or build Punk a strong build for the main event (since he carried the company the year leading up to it as "the guy")
These are posted from longer segments cut up into sections for use on You Tube. I think this is about 5 years old.
@@BronzeAgeBryon 😂😂
I thought Serena Deeb was on NWA? She beat Thunder Rosa for the NWA title recently didn't she??
@@BronzeAgeBryon 5 years? It can't be that far back
@@BronzeAgeBryon this channel didn't exist 5 years ago
He was ready to walk after the Taker match. He was beat up, and I think him and Lita were on the outs. He had some time off, and was enjoying his life. Where he lives very few people knew or cared about who he is. To me work was work and his time was his time. Whenever I saw him, that’s the vibe I got. He would shoot the shit about all kinds stuff, but not wrestling.
He stayed until January 2014
@@gabrielguzman6018 I’m aware. But I know people who know him (the lady that tattooed his chest). She said even before the Taker match he was banged up, had no time to heal, hadn’t had time off in a long time, and he needed a break. But he was on the biggest run of his career. They went out to eat and she had to get people to stop asking him for pictures (but he’s such a dick to fans).
My point was it was a long time coming before it actually happened.
And now he's back!!.. Finally!!!.. Oh it true.. It's damn True.
...and so is punk. Also, Gallows is there too. I smell a BTE segment.
Listening to this conversation is a good reminder that nothing can f*ck up a good thing like ego
Never really cared for his in ring work but boy did he have IT on all other areas. I stopped watching wrestling prior to his era but relived it on RUclips.
Speak for yourself!! Punk was a mfer in that ring especially when he did the “go to sleep”
Its unfortunate punk was champion for a year but they treated him like a midcard champion putting him in the middle of shows and got no marketing
He barely main evented ppvs
And didn't main event either Wm as champion
cena was still the face of raw and all PPVs
Punk deserved to Mainevent wrestlemania
dont forget at Over the Limit 2012 :: we had cm punk vs bryan in one of the best matches of all time. and the main event was john cena vs john laurinitas LOL.
then at No Way Out we had cm punk vs bryan vs kane for the title.... but the main event was john cena vs the big show LOL
No doubt he signed a new contract absolutely no way was Vince/ WWE was going to allow a guy they truly weren't behind at least according to Paul HHH win the match then leave next day.
Cm punk wasn't fake I loved it now if he didn't get concussed at royal rumble he would jobbed to hhh and probably leave at summerslam but it happened and he bounced
CM Punk's problem is that he gets what wrestling is, and he knows it. So when someone does something that's bad for business, he's going to say something about it, right or wrong. You need guys like that to give a company a reality check. The question is, are you going to listen to the constructive criticism or are you going to act like a child? Granted, someone should have told him certain behaviour wasn't appropriate, but I get it. If you know you're right, you're going to have an ego.
Anyone else think wrestling has sunk lower and lower since like 2016? I feel like 2015 was the last truly great WWE year. It was still kinda geeky and looked down upon but NXT was taking off with the likes of KO and Finn Balor.
I kinda feel like WWE got so popular worldwide that they could never take a risk anymore, in terms of what they say and show and even down to the booking and the ringstyles... Doesn't it feel like every wrestler (and I use that term lightly) has one of two movesets nowadays? Either the generic, 'athletic' crossfit guy that used to be an "indie guy" or the just power moves and demolition guy?
Sorry for the rant. ✌️
CM punk cared for the WWE fans a heck of allot more than John Cena not just the kid fans
If that was true he would have been back in wrestling by now.
Not true at all lol
@@mariomorales786 HE IS BACK IN WRESTLING
Punk's two issues were HHH and Triple H.
CM Punk is still the hottest talent, Rampage proved that
Cm had a bit of arrogance but come on what Top guy did not have a chip on his shoulder or over confident in himself? Almost all the Top guys did so he had to make the most of it quote on quote.
All I remember of CM Punk was him ranting a lot in the ring. I love Chris Jericho. CM Punk was like an annoying version of Chris. He didn't look like a champion. I dont remember CM Punk as a wrestler
Backstage could'nt hated punk that much. He had more Title runs. Then most talent did.
Punk will come back for a run.. Contract to make appearances and wrestle only 2 times a month. And wrestle around 4 payperviews a year. He has the mic skills to keep a storyline going so he doesn't have to wrestle a crazy schedule. Vince should just throw a few mill at him. I know they don't care about ratings these days but it would be great for the company and the fans. Need something new .
Punk would do well with a deal like Lesnar, The Rock, and The Undertaker.
It would take millions of dollars, full creative control & the main event of Wrestlemania for Punk to come back.
@@alazkaalazka6087, well...
When was this recorded? Deeb is the NWA Women's champion, appearing on both NWA Powerrr, and AEW Dynamite.
What Nash stated about CM Punk....I mean....after you really visualize it....I swear I can see CM Punk -cooking in the back of a waffle house, hair-net on *with a cigarette hanging from his mouth at around 3:47am!
*"Sensitive writing team" aka Triple H*
Great ideas in wrestling can come from anywhere. A wrestler, a promoter, a writer, etc. Should be a team effort. It should be about making the best product possible.
Heard the locker room hate him too
Wwe tried to make John cena the new stone cold but he ended up bein hulk hogan. Cm punk the new stone cold but they didn’t see it and blew it
If WWE were trying to make Cena the next Stone Cold, they would have embraced the mixed reactions rather than shove him down our throats as a babyface. He was booked like Hulk, virtually always winning and the growing boos whitewashed as much as possible.
The important thing was
I had an onion tied to my belt
Which was the style at the time
Looking back in hindsight he was treated very well honestly. I was a kid during his peak. I was like 9-13 from 2010-14 and from my POV he was the most genuinely over guy in the company. From 2012 until he was getting the biggest reaction out of any other guy on the roster. Even towards his exit he was the only guy who could get a pop close to the magnitude of Daniel Bryan. He had the WWE championship for 434 days. He held down raw having some of the best matches in the company for a year. Punk vs Bryan at Over the Limit, Punk vs Jericho at Mania and Extreme Rules. Punk vs Cena at NOC.
Like WWE brought in so many new guys around 2005-08. Ziggler, Kofi, Cody, John Morrison etc. Punk was the one who broke through and became a star first. A real star
The WWE never learned from Austin 316 did they??🤷♂️
@@SheanWalsh46 they didn't bury him but they never took advantage of it . After king of ring 1996 he only foguht uppermidcard in ppv .his career caught steam agian after Bret worked with him
Funny thing is a lot of people who were at that live event when punk did the pipe bomb said they filmed another episode right after that because of scheduling issues the next week and he was supposed to be suspended. No, he was there and it was all a work. It was good but it wasn’t a one off shoot like everyone thought..
Thank you! as No One and I mean NO One, would ever be given a live mic at a WWE anything that wasn't controlled.
I don’t get this thing where you acquire an asset, the asset proves to be valuable but you won’t use it. I’m not a wrestling promoter but whenever I buy or acquire something, wherever it is, the idea is that I will find value in it and use it. I’m not looking to hate it and not use it. Makes no sense.
That said to be fair the E did license at least two themes, gave him a long title reign and pushed him as a top guy as well as did shoot angles they weren’t doing that much at the time.. They were slow to pick up on it and could have done more but the E did push him. Sometimes.
Part of this self indulgent booking is because they had no competition. CM Punk gets over in 1996 - 1998 WWF and they strap a rocket to him. Because WCW was a real threat. No room to say “not my vision of what a top worker should be so I’ll pass”.
I hated it when HHH threw Punk out of the Rumble, it really didn’t get the pop he thought it would, From the outside it seemed like HHH just did not like Punk, such a waste
He was threatened by him, just like with the Rock, RVD and Booker T.
@@joolsmacgrools1288 don't forget Jericho and Edge and 2004 Orton
@@thetowerofivory who does hhh like besides his buddies lol
Everyone putting CM Punk down on here you all don't get it. He is a culture icon to the fans. He dropped the pipe bomb heard round the world. He saw the truth behind Bruce Pritchard, Triple H ,Vince and Loranitis's BS. He was truly burnt out on something he loved and fought for. The product at WWE is crap now. Not one person can say or predict what will happen. I know this you better do your research on all the talent in AEW. Just because Old Vince didn't make them all you uneducated need to understand these guys were also house hold names. Adam Cole left they were going to crap on him. He was big before NXT. Also anyone who would get rid of Bray Wyatt is stupid. He has a great mind for the business. He fooled them though he didn't let them get all the good ideas. The crapped on the fiend gimmick. If done right would have been one of the greatest. The ruined it because if you stand up to them that is what they do. When and where he shows up at the gimmick he is going to pull out will lay waste to anything WWE will ever have. I hope in 5 years WWE is just a memory.
Can't wait for All Out.
2 weeks ago? My HOOOOOLE.
The pipe bomb and match with Cena is proof that wrestling is at its best when it’s “real.”
Cm Punk was that dude!!!
....wow, I can't believe its been almost 11 years since the legendary promo...
cm punk made wrestling amazing again. before him it was so cool. he made it cooler. he took it to a place that is an everest, such a high peak that hasnt been close to being touch... i havent been able to watch since punk
this could have been a 00:10 sec video the answer is Yes
You could delete your account
the real truth hits in the last few seconds imo
CM Punk now gets pops for just sitting with his legs crossed in the ring, in many ways him walking away from WWE and staying away from wrestling for so long only strengthened his mythos and allure, he managed to transcend wrestling, they should've given him everything he wanted back then just dropped everything else and ran with it but its the classic WWE way, you will like who they want you to like, organic fan interest doesn't create stars they force the creation of the stars they want and then try to manufacture the fan interest around them.
That burger is looking 👌🏻
Looked like C.M. Punk was kinda underrated in WWE. I think WWE should have made him “the guy”.
Punk couldn't cut a decent promo without burying the business. His le epic pipe bombs amount to nothing more than variations of "WRESTLING'S FAAAAAAKE!" A wrestler won't ever draw money by burying his opponent. He's just another guy who thought he was way better than he really was.
@@TheWilbon Steiner was the only one who could do that & get away with it because he was actually a scary dude
Why? So he could drop even more ratings?
They don’t like anyone who speaks their mind or isn’t interested in being a member of Vince’s kiss my ass club.
How old is this clip? Because JR has been calling serena deeb matches on Dynamite
Note - def more than 12 months (wwe spring cleaning at the beginning of the pandemic) less than 28 months (debut of aew dynamite)
Yea it's old because you hear him say Gallows is with AJ in WWE
Remember Jim Ross was on video saying CM Punk wasn't a draw. It's on RUclips guys. JR talk about your current employer and how bad that company doing
I can’t find it. Help?
Where?
HHH was JELLY...
So Fucking true
Of what? A failure like cm punk who didn't draw?
hhh is pro wrestling cancer
HHH is a fake kiss ass. He married just for power.
Cm punk forever
Punk definitely at that time did not have the "look" but neither did Foley. For some reason Punks charisma got ignored
0:15 “last i heard she was working with WWE as a coach”...did JR completely forget she was just on AEW TV?!
They recycle these things so much. This was probably first recorded before aew was even thought of (I don't have proof just going by what I've seen over and over)
Doc wasn’t drinking during that time? That’s commitment
one of the things i've come to respect about Punk over these past few weeks in what he's been saying is where he mentions that he knows when it comes time to be serious. he's very articulate, has a good sense of what he needs to do, treats the business with respect when he's given the proper opportunity and manages to execute on what he does. it's a rare gift to have that level of talent from all ends. also, in seeing his Dark closing moments, he does come across as being quite self-aware, which is critical for anyone, especially in a profession like wrestling where egos can run rampant, people get into echo chambers or prefer walling themselves in rather than allowing themselves to hear valid criticisms. this is a very mature person who has his head on his shoulders straight.
looking at the stuff he's doing right now with Darby Allin reminds me of what i imagine he would like to bring back to wrestling. just old school, honorable, basic pro-wrestling. nothing completely flashy, put both guys over, take a hungry kid who is almost like looking oneself in the mirror and let's see what happens. the issue here is the question of can Punk still go. that's the answer we're looking for on the PPV. Punk gets pro-wrestling and what it's supposed to be. i really hope that he can serve as one of the leading role models for people within AEW. he's looked great since returning, he sounds perfect and can he help smooth over the "rough edges" as he's described AEW over. i think he can.
i think what would be great between CM Punk and Darby at All Out, if I allow myself some indulgence in fantasy booking, is having a 15 minute max time limit that goes to a draw. i wouldn't have desperate fast pin falls at the end but just two guys that got lost and not realizing 15 minutes were up. but in both cases we can see CM Punk still being able to hang with a younger person while Darby shows that he can not be intimidated by Punk's celebrity. that way they have just enough time to tell a story, give CM Punk time to show his endurance but allow people a taste of what both can do while leaving the desire for more in the future. no post match run ins but a firm handshake of respect, a nod of the head with both guys going, "I'll see you another time!"
I personally never cared for punk's ring work (even as a kid I thought he was sloppy) but he's always been an excellent talker.
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People always talk about how Vince is professional and will do business with anyone but truth is he’s super petty and will humiliate talent or hold them back just for stupid reasons. Why would anyone want to work with this man? CM Punk could’ve been equivalent to Stone Cold but Vince/HHH got in the way.
sorry, i love the content, but the graphic in the video being a skillet (and not a grill) is getting to me.
They really should have extended Punks time away.
Punk’s real problem came from his UFC stuff. It made him look so freakin weak.
ROH did the same thing before he left there.
Funny enough on the show that got Conrad on the map, Something To Wrestle, Bruce Pritchard regularly buried the hell out of CM Punk, and most definitely said he looked like a waffle house short order cook.
CM Punk will never be the guy as long as he's straight edge CM Punk! He has major complex trauma he doesn't want to resolve. I'd like to see him change and not be a Mr. Missionary forever but it don't look like he'll do it
CM Punk thinks way too highly of himself.
He overrates himself but management underrates him so in the end it's somewhere in between.
I’ve loved wwe since I was young and I’m starting to really hate how they treat people who have done so much for the company, I understand it all can’t be great but certain decisions like Austin leaving because he was in the right not wanting to lose to Brock Lesnar, it made no sense at all
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Whatever you think about Jim Ross he will always be the best commentator in sports entertainment
Punk did in the storyline what Pillman did for real.
Between Benoit and jbl being champion I stopped watching and never thought about it. Didn’t till cm punk made mainstream news
This video is impossible to watch that burger looks too good and I'm hungry
I got a feeling Punk would’ve never been happy no matter what, like the dude was unpleaseable, he re-signs in 2011, is there 2.5 more years before he leaves for good. During that 2.5 years, he beats John Cena for the belt in his hometown, he has a 434 day run as world champion, a great run with Paul Heyman as his manager, then in his final year there, he main events the Royal Rumble with The Rock, headlines Wrestlemania with The Undertaker in a streak match, then gets 2 months off for vacation, then headlines Summerslam with Brock Lesnar, all the while making huge money, and the dude is STILL BITCHING and unhappy. Nothing would’ve ever made him happy.
You're kidding right? The wwe did not respect him. They booked him piss poor and killed his momentum. He was never treated like the top guy even when he was the champion. He should have been in the main event with Cena and rock. They neglected his health so much that he almost DIED. Between their incompetence, backstage politics, and complete disregard, he was burnt out. They literally made him hate doing what he loved.
He seems happy now.
We all know Conrad didn't take a stock video of that burger.
I can bet my house he ate it after the shoot..
Serena Deeb works for NWA, Jim Hoss.
This was originally recorded before that.