I’m not sure how long ago this episode was but man the energy level of JR here is so much higher than what you hear now. Even before he got sick, JR sounds so burnt out in the later episodes.
Hotshotting the title from Yokozuna to Hulk Hogan on the same night where Yokozuna just beat Bret Hart just left a bad feeling. The casual fans loved it, but it ruined the prestige of the World Title. Better scenario would have been for the Bret-Yoko match to cede the last spot to Hogan/Beefcake VS Money Inc so you can have heel Yokozuna win the title from Bret and then have him interfere in the final match to give Hogan/Beefcake the DQ win. This can set up a proper Hogan vs Yokozuna match (make it take place on RAW) and then have the rematch at King of the Ring.
@@PhantomofDB Well, I hated it and I thought it was dumb at the time. I know my opinion was in the minority. I wasn't necessarily against Hogan getting the belt--I just think there would have been a better way.
While it is not a bad idea, it is wishful thinking. As the guy chasing the belt, Hogan would have had to show up to RAW to build up the match. In 1993 I think he only actually showed up to 1 RAW and that was before WM9. All other appearances were taped.
Wrestling podcast clips always have the worst titles but where the hell is this quote anywhere in this video: "Hogan winning the WWF title right after Bret at Mania was frustrating" He does not say this anywhere in this clip
@@jaythor70 His entire presentation revolves around his hero worship of Dave Meltzer and he will fish for specific answers to affirm Meltzer's assumptions and flake off anytjing else.
@jaythor70 He's a serviceable host. It's more the clip titles that are the problem. I wanted to hear JR talk about the main event and when they got to it, Conrad literally says, "we'll get to that later. Tell me about Bastion Booger and Adam Bomb." Neither of whom were even with the company yet!
Bret wasn't too small for Diesel , they had an excellent match at SS 96 where Bret won with a small package. Hogan knew Bret would give him his best match and Bret would get the credit .
@@sidious187 Bret could have made a match that would blow all Hulks other matches out of the water and everyone would see how good Bret was . Maybe he's mostly about the money, like 95%
@@frankyturrizo4240 Yeah, there is no place on Earth, or in any parallel universe where Bret drew even 1/1000th of what Hogan did, so this "everyone" would be similar to today's product; nobody.
@@jaythor70 Exactly. Bret was a real wrestler, with several accolades. Hogan wasn't even a fighter. Even if he was, a wrestler would beat a fighter any day of the week.
Brett Winchester definitely works. Kip just doesn't work, period. Kid Colt, James Colt, John Colt, Buddy Colt, Dalton Colt, Ronnie Colt....any of those were better, and some would be an homage to the past wrestlers.
@@MCastleberry1980 Thanks. Not sure, but that may have been a Marvel Western comic character.....hopefully obscure enough to not draw a lawsuit. Marvel loved to sue if it was even close- Arachno-man, Hulk before he added Hogan, among others, I'm sure.
Bret vs Hogan in Japan , not broadcasted in America.. would have been fuggin epic . If you haven't seen Hogan in Japan, he can do 5× what you saw in the states .
In a podcast format? Will depend on two things 1 how much the podcast discusses current event 2 the likelihood that the person in question will be called to testify in a civil or criminal case ….. This is why though slightly more likely to comment on it than the absolute zero probability that Bruce P will comment on it, it’s highly unlikely JR will talk about it on his podcast…. At least until well after a verdict or settlement. Anyone who will comment already has commented
You want the guy who was the head of talent relations in WWE during the "Plane Ride From Hell" and the "Halcion Days" of "H-Bombing" to comment on sexual assault allegations? That won't work for Good Ol' JR, brother.
at the time fans loved hogan he was the most over ive ever seen ... the attitude era was great but hogan is the most important athlete in the business of all time maybe
@@jaythor70 This nonsensical claim doesn't become true, no matter how many times clueless marks like you puke it out. Just compare the number and House Show attendances. Hogan in 1993 drew more than Warrior, Flair and Bret (who also became the worst drawing WWF Champion of the 90's) before him and more than Bret, Diesel and HBK after him. Until HBK in February 1998, Hogan was the last WWF Champion to draw more than 10,000 at the Meadowlands for a House Show for example. And he was a massive draw in Europe during the big wrestling boom and a reason why the WWF constantly went on Tour here drawing a ton of money. Furthermore, even in 1994 when he went to WCW ,contrary to what marks like you want to believe, he was a draw, with PPV's that feature him on the card doing 69% more sales than those without him and even those saw a buyrate increase thanks to the interest he generated in WCW (111,000 compared to the 94,000 average in 1993) So, get some wrestling education and stop puking out nonsense you probably read on r/squarecircle or somethin nonsense site like that.
I call bs. That crowd went wild when Hogan won the title in that impromptu match with Yoko. Including JR himself. It's only all these years later that everyone whines about it.
He working the marks. In 2024 the only ones left who care are a small subset of smelly ugly dorks. Tony Schiavone was saying that the only reason people watched the Nitro after Hogan turned was for Eddy Guerrero and Psychosis. 🤣
@@chadjustice8560 yoko was actually a draw in 1993 house shows picked up too so he proved to be a good champion which is why he had it from kotr 93 to wm10
Hey hold up a second BROTHER! Hulk didn’t ruin WM9! All the Hulkster did that night at WM9, was come save Bret from Yokozuna, finish the job Bret couldn’t, and took the belt back. Leaving thousands of Hulkamaniacs screaming and going home happy that night. You’d think Bret would be grateful. But no! Instead, years later… The Hulkster goes out, gives it his best effort, puts on the squash match of the century beating sting, clean in the middle of the ring 1, 2, 3 at Starcade 97. Then in slides Good ole “it’s still real to me” Bret Hart to get his “revenge” against Hogan for WM 9, and help Sting cheat Hulk out of his title. Bret’s one sick individual
When was that? 2 weeks ago and are you 5ft3?? As that's what a "wrestler" looks like these days or else a woman who looks more like a bikini model & draws nobody. But we gotta pander to them and patronize them anyway for political reasons.
I think had stories played out slightly diffrent noone would be looking back negatively about this if Bret fought and beat Hulk at SummerSlam. Would be seen as a good story told. Hulks return, the surprise at the end of mania never saw coming, retains against yoko at KOR, into summerslam. Bret screwed at mania by fuji, but rises back with incredible KOR matches, into Summerslam to cement himself over the legend of Hogan who shakes his hand in the end. Then wouldnt be seen as Hulk stole, Bret screwed, etc it would be a good story that got Bret over bigger in the end....but, that was in another universe...
You could always tell when Hogan was off steroids. He looked rather lean in late 1990, which coincides with Hogan's claim to have quit using them around that time. He was even smaller when he did his comeback in 1993--it looked like he had a liposuction, LOL.
JR doesn’t seem like a healthy guy and lately has been smoking during podcasts. Seems like someone who has given up. Anyway, Bret is the GOAT but I still like Hogan during his original WWF run.
The only way wrestling is entertaining in any way is going back and seeing the story behind all the great moments. Modern day wrestling is nothing even close to what it once was. Say what you want about Vince, he's a legend in my eyes.
The irony is that everyone who jumps on the bandwagon saying it was a bad decision for Hogan to win the title at WrestleMania IX either didn’t see it live when it happened or just love trashing him whenever they get the chance. WrestleMania IX was a train wreck - I saw it live. And the only bright spot - aside from Undertaker’s spot - was Hulk winning the title. Go back and watch the massive pop he got when he won the title. In a venue that small comparatively to other WrestleManias, that was one of the most thunderous moments in WrestleMania history up until that point. The crowd’s reaction is all that matters. It was the right decision and it saved that show.
I saw it. It stank to high heaven. It was a bad decision, it reaped no real benefit since the title match wasn’t advertised, and Hogan pissed off only a few months later in any case. And Taker ranks the WM9 match as his worst ever PPV.
Not exactly endearing to shoehorn him in the main event if the rest of the show was shit. It was more about the crowd wanting something exciting than them wanting to see Hogan.
Lol the minority opinion which means it isn't a very popular one. Bret will never be as great as Hogan. Hogan drew, great talker, great look, had charisma, created two boom periods, broke house show records for his time until Austin broke it, good in the ring and understood psychology. Bret was Terrible
All of these shows just show off what’s wrong with the IWC. Nothing but negativity and people pass their prime complaining about how bad it used to be and how bad it is now and they can’t get it up anymore blah blah blah.
What did you know, Jim? You were in charge of talent, you were his second-in-command, you had Ace's job, you were running things when he was making Trish bark like a dog, you kissed his behind, literally. You know what was going on; you know how certain female talent was being treated. Say something before you don't have the chance. Or you can bury your head in the sand like always and feign ignorance.
If McMahon had simply sold the Hulkster his part of the enterprise in the mid-80s, this would have never happened brother. Yoko coulda been champ for years now with that Flair gone. Hulkster coulda had his own stable of lil Hulksters to protect him from more of these scary monstars that Fuji was likely bringing, brother.
1992 into 1993. Warrior gone, Savage to the announce table, Ric Flair gone, Bret not drawing flies to shit, HBK not quite ready to be main event. Razor, Tatanka, Lex and Crush are your mid card, Steiners as main tag team. And Doink the goddamn clown as a major heel besides Yokozuna. Hogan coming in and getting the title from Yoko sent the fans home happy. Hogan not drawing much in 1993 was still more than Bret at his "best" in 1993. I can totally understand Vince having Hulk take the title and then dropping it to Yoko. Made WAY more sense than him and Hart going head to head and made Bret look much better in the long run.
Except I think Bret v Hogan should have happened but neither wanted to be a heel. Maybe they could have worked something out by having 2 friends turn on each other or fight over a misunderstanding like Hogan and Savage. Something like that. I think hogan and Bret could have drew some money. Timing was never right tho
@@KlayPate yeah, timing was off. Even in 1993 the only place I ever heard hogan booed some was on Monday Night Raw at the shithole theater in New York. Not defending Hogan in this situation, he needed to go away for a while, fans were tired of the gimmick and it looked goofy in 1993 versus being considered cool in 1990. He was still the big name in pro wrestling and it was right that he dropped the belt to the monster heel for the next "draw" to compete for. 1992-1995 was just an awful time for the WWF.
Bret simply wasn't a draw, Hogan did the right thing... The WWF lost 4.43 million wben Bret was champion throughout May 1994 - April 1995... The guy headlined the second worst drawing WM event. WM12 which did 290.000. Bret vs Owen in Canada only drew 1,900 audience back in the mid 90s... Its common sense what Hogan did what he felt was best for business... I know Bret marks generally lie about his star power but he simply wasn't a draw. If he was then business wouldn't have been so bad.
@@bigolebot you have no clue what you are talking about, he drew well enough at WM 9 and WM 10 considering Hogan wasn't even in the main event or there at all.
@@adamkeller7749 WrestleMania 9 did well because of hulk Hogan and he was on the posters leading up to wm 9, get a clue and do some research instead of being a sensitive mark. Bret marks are so pathetic, they think spreading myths is gonna work with me and lying about his son called star power
@@bigolebot lol 1. Bret was in the mainevent not Hogan. 2. WM 10 Hogan wasn't even there it still did a good buyrate when Bret was in the main event. Get a clue, Hogan Mark.
In what terms? Definitely not the one that matters which is his work. Hulk up, big boot, leg drop brother lol Hogan should have been more like taker and actually gave back to the business even when he was at his highest but didn't. Also Bret helped create the Big Star maybe ever in stone cold and was the beginning of the maybe the greatest heel in Mr McMahon. Hogan can't say that because he couldn't create other stars.
Wrestling is a business Chad and in TERMS of business Bret NEVER compared to Hulk. Look at their last runs in the WWE, Bret again showed that despite his whiny fans he could never draw or captivate the masses of people like Hulk did. You clearly do not understand how the wrestling business works. Bret fans are delusional to a fault, history is clear on WHO is the biggest star and WHO lasted the longest as a draw, Bret does not compare to a quarter of Hogan's career.
@@1980Triumphthe worst part about Bret fans is they believe he was their main attraction during their international tours when he wasn't. Here's a good example in Canada Bret and Owen back in 1996 only drew 1,900 audience in Canada. Shawn Michaels Vs goldust drew 9,000 in Canada back in 1996.
@@bigolebot- exactly, they live in a perpetual delusion where they each co-sign each others nonsense. Go watch Bret's early video tape, each match was as boring as the next. I like Bret but he is easily the most overhyped wrestler in a room full of overhyped wrestlers.
Worst wrestler ever???? Really????? 😂😂😂 it really shows how ignorant you are to wrestling because if you've taken the time to watch his new Japan matches back in the early 90's Hogan was a beast literally doing shit that cruiserweights do.... face it rather you love him or hate him he's the goat wrestling today would be nothing without him lol
@@flybynight8864 Hogan did a lot more in the ring in Japan, everybody knows this - but show me when he ever did anything that's close to a good technical cruiserweight match! A drop toe-hold and a couple of other things done semi-competently do not make anybody a "scientific wrestler". People who try to paint "Ichiban" Hogan as if he was ever an oversized version of Dean Malenko without that pesky American audience looking on, are just as ridiculous as people who claim he couldn't do anything in the ring at all. He could do a lot more than he ever showed in the WWF/E or WCW, but it's not as if footage of his matches in Japan would make anybody's jaw hit the floor in amazement. If it looks spectacular, that's only because he literally did as little as possible in the ring in America, at the height of his fame when he could get away with it. And since that apparently still messed his back and legs up severely, that was probably a smart decision on his part.
I’m not sure how long ago this episode was but man the energy level of JR here is so much higher than what you hear now. Even before he got sick, JR sounds so burnt out in the later episodes.
I was thinking the same thing
Absolutely, such a drastic difference in energy levels. I believe in more recent episodes JR is also often drinking and smoking
Vince mcmahon certainly did find out that he is not "King of the world".
Wait till the stories are over he might walk away clean or at least run to Arabi and live like a king for real
Nailz showed him, lol.
No, that was Y2J, after Leonardo DiCaprio died.
Hotshotting the title from Yokozuna to Hulk Hogan on the same night where Yokozuna just beat Bret Hart just left a bad feeling. The casual fans loved it, but it ruined the prestige of the World Title. Better scenario would have been for the Bret-Yoko match to cede the last spot to Hogan/Beefcake VS Money Inc so you can have heel Yokozuna win the title from Bret and then have him interfere in the final match to give Hogan/Beefcake the DQ win. This can set up a proper Hogan vs Yokozuna match (make it take place on RAW) and then have the rematch at King of the Ring.
Hindsight take. Fans loved it at the time
@@PhantomofDB Well, I hated it and I thought it was dumb at the time. I know my opinion was in the minority. I wasn't necessarily against Hogan getting the belt--I just think there would have been a better way.
While it is not a bad idea, it is wishful thinking. As the guy chasing the belt, Hogan would have had to show up to RAW to build up the match. In 1993 I think he only actually showed up to 1 RAW and that was before WM9. All other appearances were taped.
Wrestling podcast clips always have the worst titles but where the hell is this quote anywhere in this video: "Hogan winning the WWF title right after Bret at Mania was frustrating"
He does not say this anywhere in this clip
Clickbait Connie strikes again!
Jim Ross deserves a better host than Conrad
Conrad is a great host. He is knowledgeable without being condescending, and keeps the flow going.
Cvv or Brian Last would be better. Conrad spends too much time plugging his stuff. Not just save with Conrad
@@jaythor70 His entire presentation revolves around his hero worship of Dave Meltzer and he will fish for specific answers to affirm Meltzer's assumptions and flake off anytjing else.
@jaythor70 He's a serviceable host. It's more the clip titles that are the problem. I wanted to hear JR talk about the main event and when they got to it, Conrad literally says, "we'll get to that later. Tell me about Bastion Booger and Adam Bomb." Neither of whom were even with the company yet!
@@LordGrim1313He does put a lot of stock in Meltzer, but I find he gives the star the chance to agree or disagree with the critics.
Bret wasn't too small for Diesel , they had an excellent match at SS 96 where Bret won with a small package. Hogan knew Bret would give him his best match and Bret would get the credit .
survivor series 95
@@kefkarothsephka7708 yeah you're right . 96 SS was vs Austin
Why would hogan care about credit? Hulks about money
@@sidious187 Bret could have made a match that would blow all Hulks other matches out of the water and everyone would see how good Bret was . Maybe he's mostly about the money, like 95%
@@frankyturrizo4240 Yeah, there is no place on Earth, or in any parallel universe where Bret drew even 1/1000th of what Hogan did, so this "everyone" would be similar to today's product; nobody.
Losing to a lightweight didn't work for me brother
Then why did he lose to kidman and vampiro ??!!
@@Aizenborgman Hogan was giving back to the business but not Randy Orton?
@@concerta56 well go and ask vince mcmahon why didnt orton won the match . It was vinecs call . If the boss want him to lose he is ganna lose .
@@Aizenborgman the same reason your mother did
Hogan afraid of Bret
The irony is, in a shoot fight Bret would beat the dog shit out of Hulk Hogan.
says who?
@@watersandblue6001 Anyone who knows shoot fighting. Hogan was a showman, but he didn't have the training that Bret Hart had in the dungeon.
That's not at all ironic.
@@jaythor70 Exactly. Bret was a real wrestler, with several accolades. Hogan wasn't even a fighter. Even if he was, a wrestler would beat a fighter any day of the week.
You're only saying that because you're a Hogan-hater. Get outa here.
I feel like if you flipped the Long Riders goofy gun names it kinda works better: Kip Colt and Brett Winchester
Brett Winchester definitely works. Kip just doesn't work, period. Kid Colt, James Colt, John Colt, Buddy Colt, Dalton Colt, Ronnie Colt....any of those were better, and some would be an homage to the past wrestlers.
@@jaythor70 I kinda like Kid Colt
@@MCastleberry1980 Thanks. Not sure, but that may have been a Marvel Western comic character.....hopefully obscure enough to not draw a lawsuit. Marvel loved to sue if it was even close- Arachno-man, Hulk before he added Hogan, among others, I'm sure.
@jaythor70 I remember when Marvel did a reboot of their western heroes like Two Gun Kid awhile back, it was pretty rad.
@@MCastleberry1980 Yes, all but the "Rawhide Kid". Just dreadful.
Bret vs Hogan in Japan , not broadcasted in America.. would have been fuggin epic . If you haven't seen Hogan in Japan, he can do 5× what you saw in the states .
Jim with his football analogies
Lol Randy Savage when JR first came to the WWF " OOOOH YEAH... IF he mentions my baseball career one more time i'm gonna KILL HIM!!!"
He's a big fan of the University of Tijuana State.
Is JR going to talk about the Vince mcmahon allegations
That's what im waiting on lol.
In a podcast format? Will depend on two things
1 how much the podcast discusses current event
2 the likelihood that the person in question will be called to testify in a civil or criminal case …..
This is why though slightly more likely to comment on it than the absolute zero probability that Bruce P will comment on it, it’s highly unlikely JR will talk about it on his podcast…. At least until well after a verdict or settlement.
Anyone who will comment already has commented
JR is going to come out as a victim. He was groomed into kissing Vince's butthole and turned on his friend Stone Steve.
You want the guy who was the head of talent relations in WWE during the "Plane Ride From Hell" and the "Halcion Days" of "H-Bombing" to comment on sexual assault allegations?
That won't work for Good Ol' JR, brother.
I remember hearing after Wrestlemania 9 that the only way Vince could Hogan to resign was for him to walk out of Wrestlemania as champ
Norman was one of the greatest gimmicks of all time.
at the time fans loved hogan he was the most over ive ever seen ... the attitude era was great but hogan is the most important athlete in the business of all time maybe
10 years earlier, yes. Even 5 years earlier. But he was waning as a popular face by this time.
@@jaythor70 This nonsensical claim doesn't become true, no matter how many times clueless marks like you puke it out.
Just compare the number and House Show attendances. Hogan in 1993 drew more than Warrior, Flair and Bret (who also became the worst drawing WWF Champion of the 90's) before him and more than Bret, Diesel and HBK after him. Until HBK in February 1998, Hogan was the last WWF Champion to draw more than 10,000 at the Meadowlands for a House Show for example.
And he was a massive draw in Europe during the big wrestling boom and a reason why the WWF constantly went on Tour here drawing a ton of money.
Furthermore, even in 1994 when he went to WCW ,contrary to what marks like you want to believe, he was a draw, with PPV's that feature him on the card doing 69% more sales than those without him and even those saw a buyrate increase thanks to the interest he generated in WCW (111,000 compared to the 94,000 average in 1993)
So, get some wrestling education and stop puking out nonsense you probably read on r/squarecircle or somethin nonsense site like that.
"frustrating isnt the goddam word for it!" - Bret
This is bullshit!
"This is BULLSHIT!!"
Shaw in Stampede Wrestling was fantastic
I call bs. That crowd went wild when Hogan won the title in that impromptu match with Yoko. Including JR himself. It's only all these years later that everyone whines about it.
He working the marks. In 2024 the only ones left who care are a small subset of smelly ugly dorks. Tony Schiavone was saying that the only reason people watched the Nitro after Hogan turned was for Eddy Guerrero and Psychosis. 🤣
Strongly Agreed! No one saw that ending coming and the crowd when Hogan won spoke for itself if you watch it… they “went wild”
1000000% agreed
Thank you, someone is not rewriting history. Jim Ross lies a lot I've noticed. He's no exception to Bruce Prichard
So you will admit that Sid got cheered loudly when he eliminated Hogan from the Royal Rumble?
If Bruce hadn’t told Vince about encore PPVs it might’ve been a different story but Hogan was going to put over Yoko eventually
He should have put Bret over instead of yoko and that's the biggest problem.
@@chadjustice8560 yoko was actually a draw in 1993 house shows picked up too so he proved to be a good champion which is why he had it from kotr 93 to wm10
Hogan being a diva , he had no respect for other wrestlers
Hey hold up a second BROTHER! Hulk didn’t ruin WM9! All the Hulkster did that night at WM9, was come save Bret from Yokozuna, finish the job Bret couldn’t, and took the belt back. Leaving thousands of Hulkamaniacs screaming and going home happy that night. You’d think Bret would be grateful. But no! Instead, years later… The Hulkster goes out, gives it his best effort, puts on the squash match of the century beating sting, clean in the middle of the ring 1, 2, 3 at Starcade 97. Then in slides Good ole “it’s still real to me” Bret Hart to get his “revenge” against Hogan for WM 9, and help Sting cheat Hulk out of his title. Bret’s one sick individual
🗣️WWF LEFT A LOT OF GOOD AND GREAT MATCHES ON THE TABLE . HULK HOGAN VS BRET HART IS ONE OF THEM . THAT MATCH SH🟢ULD ' VE HAPPENED MULTIPLE TIMES
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Who?...
Nah...
Yes
Haha when I was 15 I asked Mike Shaw if I was big enough to be a wrestler. He looked me up and done and said: mmm you could be bigger, but you’re ok.
When was that? 2 weeks ago and are you 5ft3?? As that's what a "wrestler" looks like these days or else a woman who looks more like a bikini model & draws nobody. But we gotta pander to them and patronize them anyway for political reasons.
80+catches? BB would make him the greatest blocker ever!
I think had stories played out slightly diffrent noone would be looking back negatively about this if Bret fought and beat Hulk at SummerSlam. Would be seen as a good story told. Hulks return, the surprise at the end of mania never saw coming, retains against yoko at KOR, into summerslam. Bret screwed at mania by fuji, but rises back with incredible KOR matches, into Summerslam to cement himself over the legend of Hogan who shakes his hand in the end. Then wouldnt be seen as Hulk stole, Bret screwed, etc it would be a good story that got Bret over bigger in the end....but, that was in another universe...
Miss the old Cowboy gimmicks in wrestling.
I liked Bret’s geat at WM9. Did he ever wear the all pink again after that?
As bad as Norman the Lunatic was Mike Shaw was done worst by the WWF as Bastian Booger
Hogan off the gas was as small as anyone lol
Bret hart has admitted to being on the gas so imagine how small he’d look off
You could always tell when Hogan was off steroids. He looked rather lean in late 1990, which coincides with Hogan's claim to have quit using them around that time. He was even smaller when he did his comeback in 1993--it looked like he had a liposuction, LOL.
Conrad is great what are you talking about?
This WrestleMania stuff sounds alot like wcw 2000
1:50 of course he wasn’t the king of the world. Because I am. But I was just the Dauphine at the time…
Reading the comments its obvious no one listened to the clip because no where does JR talk about Hogan winning at Wrestlemania IX
Mr. Ross. It worked for Hogan, brother!
Conrad is jr
Why do people blame Hogan? Vince let it happen.
To make Hogan happy
JR doesn’t seem like a healthy guy and lately has been smoking during podcasts. Seems like someone who has given up.
Anyway, Bret is the GOAT but I still like Hogan during his original WWF run.
The only way wrestling is entertaining in any way is going back and seeing the story behind all the great moments. Modern day wrestling is nothing even close to what it once was. Say what you want about Vince, he's a legend in my eyes.
The irony is that everyone who jumps on the bandwagon saying it was a bad decision for Hogan to win the title at WrestleMania IX either didn’t see it live when it happened or just love trashing him whenever they get the chance.
WrestleMania IX was a train wreck - I saw it live. And the only bright spot - aside from Undertaker’s spot - was Hulk winning the title. Go back and watch the massive pop he got when he won the title. In a venue that small comparatively to other WrestleManias, that was one of the most thunderous moments in WrestleMania history up until that point.
The crowd’s reaction is all that matters. It was the right decision and it saved that show.
That undertaker match was horrible. Giant gonzo was just terrible, and undertaker was killing himself to make it watchable
Speak for yourself. I hated when I was watching it live on PPV
I loved it. The belt doesn't belong on a mid card tag guy anyway.
I saw it. It stank to high heaven.
It was a bad decision, it reaped no real benefit since the title match wasn’t advertised, and Hogan pissed off only a few months later in any case.
And Taker ranks the WM9 match as his worst ever PPV.
Not exactly endearing to shoehorn him in the main event if the rest of the show was shit. It was more about the crowd wanting something exciting than them wanting to see Hogan.
I know JR is lying about the Montreal Screw job.
Bret > Hogan
Any day
@@demonsuckafucka6828 Any day that doesn't have the letters D,A and Y in it.
Lol the minority opinion which means it isn't a very popular one. Bret will never be as great as Hogan.
Hogan drew, great talker, great look, had charisma, created two boom periods, broke house show records for his time until Austin broke it, good in the ring and understood psychology.
Bret was Terrible
@@bigolebot😂😂😂...hogan wasnt even as good in ring like austin let alone bret.
Boring Brett Hart never drew a dime. Hogan was the biggest star in wrestling for over 20 years.
Brett Got screwed 2 times
Hello
All of these shows just show off what’s wrong with the IWC. Nothing but negativity and people pass their prime complaining about how bad it used to be and how bad it is now and they can’t get it up anymore blah blah blah.
What did you know, Jim? You were in charge of talent, you were his second-in-command, you had Ace's job, you were running things when he was making Trish bark like a dog, you kissed his behind, literally. You know what was going on; you know how certain female talent was being treated. Say something before you don't have the chance. Or you can bury your head in the sand like always and feign ignorance.
If McMahon had simply sold the Hulkster his part of the enterprise in the mid-80s, this would have never happened brother. Yoko coulda been champ for years now with that Flair gone. Hulkster coulda had his own stable of lil Hulksters to protect him from more of these scary monstars that Fuji was likely bringing, brother.
That was the dumbest title change i ever seen. Hogan was out of wwf for a while and just comes back out of the blue to win
1992 into 1993. Warrior gone, Savage to the announce table, Ric Flair gone, Bret not drawing flies to shit, HBK not quite ready to be main event. Razor, Tatanka, Lex and Crush are your mid card, Steiners as main tag team. And Doink the goddamn clown as a major heel besides Yokozuna. Hogan coming in and getting the title from Yoko sent the fans home happy. Hogan not drawing much in 1993 was still more than Bret at his "best" in 1993. I can totally understand Vince having Hulk take the title and then dropping it to Yoko. Made WAY more sense than him and Hart going head to head and made Bret look much better in the long run.
Interesting take
Agreed with everything you said bro!
Except I think Bret v Hogan should have happened but neither wanted to be a heel. Maybe they could have worked something out by having 2 friends turn on each other or fight over a misunderstanding like Hogan and Savage. Something like that. I think hogan and Bret could have drew some money. Timing was never right tho
@@KlayPate I think Hogan shouldve turned heel in 93. He was already getting booed here and there. Time was right imo
@@KlayPate yeah, timing was off. Even in 1993 the only place I ever heard hogan booed some was on Monday Night Raw at the shithole theater in New York. Not defending Hogan in this situation, he needed to go away for a while, fans were tired of the gimmick and it looked goofy in 1993 versus being considered cool in 1990. He was still the big name in pro wrestling and it was right that he dropped the belt to the monster heel for the next "draw" to compete for. 1992-1995 was just an awful time for the WWF.
9 yr old me was HEATED
Bret simply wasn't a draw, Hogan did the right thing... The WWF lost 4.43 million wben Bret was champion throughout May 1994 - April 1995... The guy headlined the second worst drawing WM event. WM12 which did 290.000.
Bret vs Owen in Canada only drew 1,900 audience back in the mid 90s... Its common sense what Hogan did what he felt was best for business... I know Bret marks generally lie about his star power but he simply wasn't a draw. If he was then business wouldn't have been so bad.
lol he did it at WM 10 and he was so over in Europe and Asia
@@ramzy-1096 he really didn't but sure
@@bigolebot you have no clue what you are talking about, he drew well enough at WM 9 and WM 10 considering Hogan wasn't even in the main event or there at all.
@@adamkeller7749 WrestleMania 9 did well because of hulk Hogan and he was on the posters leading up to wm 9, get a clue and do some research instead of being a sensitive mark. Bret marks are so pathetic, they think spreading myths is gonna work with me and lying about his son called star power
@@bigolebot lol 1. Bret was in the mainevent not Hogan. 2. WM 10 Hogan wasn't even there it still did a good buyrate when Bret was in the main event. Get a clue, Hogan Mark.
HORRIBLE SHOW
Omg making fun of the mentally ill 😱. I like JR, but damn he is so soft. Feelings are constantly hurt.
Frustrating, and stupid too.
Bret > Hogan
Only in skill.
Bret can’t light a candle next to hogan brother
Hulk Hogan > Bret Hart , period.
In what terms? Definitely not the one that matters which is his work. Hulk up, big boot, leg drop brother lol Hogan should have been more like taker and actually gave back to the business even when he was at his highest but didn't. Also Bret helped create the Big Star maybe ever in stone cold and was the beginning of the maybe the greatest heel in Mr McMahon. Hogan can't say that because he couldn't create other stars.
Wrestling is a business Chad and in TERMS of business Bret NEVER compared to Hulk. Look at their last runs in the WWE, Bret again showed that despite his whiny fans he could never draw or captivate the masses of people like Hulk did. You clearly do not understand how the wrestling business works. Bret fans are delusional to a fault, history is clear on WHO is the biggest star and WHO lasted the longest as a draw, Bret does not compare to a quarter of Hogan's career.
@@chadjustice8560Bret wasn't a draw, sorry
@@1980Triumphthe worst part about Bret fans is they believe he was their main attraction during their international tours when he wasn't.
Here's a good example in Canada
Bret and Owen back in 1996 only drew 1,900 audience in Canada.
Shawn Michaels Vs goldust drew 9,000 in Canada back in 1996.
@@bigolebot- exactly, they live in a perpetual delusion where they each co-sign each others nonsense. Go watch Bret's early video tape, each match was as boring as the next. I like Bret but he is easily the most overhyped wrestler in a room full of overhyped wrestlers.
Hogan is one of the worst wrestlers i have ever seen he should not be mentioned with the greats at all
Yeah, in the real world, he is the biggest draw and biggest star that wrestling has ever seen, so he is literally the greatest of all time.
Tell me you don’t understand wrestling by a terrible
RUclips comment…. Oh wait.
Worst wrestler ever???? Really????? 😂😂😂 it really shows how ignorant you are to wrestling because if you've taken the time to watch his new Japan matches back in the early 90's Hogan was a beast literally doing shit that cruiserweights do.... face it rather you love him or hate him he's the goat wrestling today would be nothing without him lol
@@flybynight8864 Hogan did a lot more in the ring in Japan, everybody knows this - but show me when he ever did anything that's close to a good technical cruiserweight match! A drop toe-hold and a couple of other things done semi-competently do not make anybody a "scientific wrestler".
People who try to paint "Ichiban" Hogan as if he was ever an oversized version of Dean Malenko without that pesky American audience looking on, are just as ridiculous as people who claim he couldn't do anything in the ring at all. He could do a lot more than he ever showed in the WWF/E or WCW, but it's not as if footage of his matches in Japan would make anybody's jaw hit the floor in amazement. If it looks spectacular, that's only because he literally did as little as possible in the ring in America, at the height of his fame when he could get away with it.
And since that apparently still messed his back and legs up severely, that was probably a smart decision on his part.
Horrible in ring worker but massive draw
Bret was just too small. It just wasn't believable brother. Hulk Rules.
Hogan was a joke as a wrestler criss Benoit and Bret those or great wrestlers
Who drew more money?
Very politically incorrect, lol snow flake Jim Ross