Bruce Prichard shoots on Hulk Hogan not wanting to lose to Bret Hart
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Forget Hogan, Vince’s biggest mistake during this time was saying Savage was too old to draw / main event. Savage offered to put Bret and Shawn over and Vince said no. Bret v Savage could have been huge!
Mach laid down even in Cornette's god awful SMW
I would have rather saw that then Hogan Vs Bret.
Imagine if Randy Savage was in the WWF during the late 1990s Attitude Era. A Macho Man vs Stone Cold Steve Austin feud would have been EPIC.
@@hitfan2000 Actually it wouldnt have been. On paper it seems like it would have been but in reality they were just two characters from two completely different universes. Macho was the classic wrestling personality, loud promos not really saying much other then being super intense every second with his veins popping. While Austin was the legit “Every Man” I mean the Bald guy with a goatee not overly built but built just enough to let uk he can kick your ass.
I agree savage still had a lot of gas in the tank he dident have an ego like hulk
Missed opportunity for a Hogan heel turn. They could have made Hogan the cocky, arrogant, heel movie star who's too good for wrestling. (Fans were ready to boo him in 1993.) Then you've got the ultimate underdog in Bret versus the legend in Hulk Hogan. It would be like Andre turning on Hogan before WM3. Big time David vs Goliath angle.
It’s so easy for internet bookers to say that after the fact
“Hey pal, don’t ever say that to me ever again. EVER! Hulk Hogan is a babyface, he’s the best damn babyface this company has ever seen! Hogan must Pose” (read in Bruce’s Vince impression voice).
@@rustykuntz94 lol :)
@@heyyo7431 Yeah except that Hogan came into the WWF as a heel with Freddy Blassie. His character was getting more heelish towards the end. Pulling Sid out of the ring. Cheating to win. etc. It was an easy heel turn to make.
I was thinking this exact thing today 🤷♂️
So you telling me a company wasted time, money, resources, and staff to do a photo shoot for it’s 2nd biggest show of the year but the match for that shoot/show was barely decided???? I see why they started losing money.
The steroid scandal didn’t help
On another video from this channel Bruce said it was supposed to be Hogan vs Bret at SummerSlam, but Hogan did not want to do the match. Interestingly I also listened to another video on this channel on the same topic and there he said this said photoshooting never took place and it was always supposed to be Hogan losing to Yoko at KOR. So everytime Bruce changes his story. I believe it was supposed to be Hogan vs Bret at SummerSlam, because like you pointed out: Why else would they do this photo shooting?
And whats funny is when Conrad introduces a stupid idea, like the Red Rooster, and asks “was that a rib?” Bruce gets all pissy that they would spend millions of dollars and all that tv time for a rib, yet they’ll do it for a HUGE MARQUEE match that they wont even showcase!
@@norbertschnurrbart936 I think it was hogan that said he didn't wanna do the match at summerslam because Vince didn't want it to be a title match. Might have been bret that said hogan told him that.
@@norbertschnurrbart936 kevin sullivan said hogan admitted to him in wcw he never wanted to work with bret in wwe or wcw because he thought bret was not in his league
Hogan thought it wouldn't be realistic for a small guy to beat him, Bret proved that wrong with the match he gave Diesel
😂 Vince call Bret, but Bret didn’t know that Hulk Hogan was in that office with Vince when that call was made. When Vince hung up that phone he looked at Hogan and started laughing 😂
you know this because you were his janitor?
@@jonathandevereaux298 yea I was feeling in for you because you called in sick.
Bruce always being the company man.
yet you come back to listen every week, mark
Even when they did him over he was loyal worked out in end ha
As Cornette says he says whatever Vince wants to hear. JR has all but said this too.
@@ASwagPecan a mark calling a mark a mark. ahahaha
@@celebrategout1008 a tale as old as time
"Not gonna work for me, brother!"
Amazing how many people who have been told that. But according to Hogan. He never used "Creative Control".
@@kevinlee9929 Hogan is also a liar who dedicated his entire career to a "sport" based on deception.
I respect hogan for all he accomplished but I’d say he was the greatest politician in the business ever
@@jimbowlan5804 Cutthroat business will do that.
It worked turning out his wife and holding folks back. Hogan is a piece of shit. At the same time he saved the business at the time. Bret couldn't beat Hogan in a real fight and Hogan most likely couldn't fight. The look and charisma and old buddy Cocaine. Hulk may be a prick but he is a legend. Bret. In his mind. Hogan knew it was a work.
8:02 "How do you take him down? How do you pin him?" If that's the case, then maybe you shouldn't have had him get taken down and put in the Sharpshooter and have to be saved by Mr. Fuji, then get pinned 30 seconds later by Hulk Hogan as well. They had a stretch of booking in the 90's that was just absolutely horrible.
I miss yoko I wish he would have got his weight under control he was quick as a cat for how big he was and especially when you have viscera same size and he couldn’t move at all
Conrad is like my avatar having great dinner conversations with wrestling legends.. he asks the questions I'd want to ask and then he follows it up to allow his guest to elaborate.. great job every single time!!
I've seen Conrad's photo. I don't think you want him as your avatar.
@@mischasmith6088 mean.
@@mischasmith6088 LMAO
Conrad has alot of dinners, and conversations.
'Hulk want to do his farewell tour'....
20 years later.....
The photographer who blinded Hogan was Bret all along. Book the blowoff match now. It’d be the greatest long term booking in history.
Dumbest comment ever
Hogan vs Hart sponsored by Ben Gay and Depends Adult Diapers
@@michaelnemeth5242 so funny
Harvey Whippleman....😊
TK would probably do this
I remember the other kids in my wrestling circle were so pissed about Hogan winning the title again. By this point we were all fed up with Hogan. Bret was our new hero wrestler.
I know I didn't care for Hogan until he became Hollywood.
@@thekingofkingsrpthe reality was Hogan and had got stale at that point. Bret Hart was a mid card talent. Nobody saw him as a huge star back then. Lack of babyfaces made get better reactions than others and Bret hart was never the guy to draw money for WWF even if smarter fans want to believe that he was was unique. Bret Hart straight away flopped.
Same here.
I agree, I was a big Bret Hart fan at this point, right behind Undertaker. Hogan was old news for me at that point.
LOL, all these supposed fans who were ready for Bret but you all never showed up to the matches, watched the shows, the PPV's or purchased the merch.
Mania 9 should have been Bret (c) v Perfect (rumble winner) and Yoko v Hulk. Yoko v Hulk should have been advertised in advance and could be the title match if Yoko faced and beat Bret at the Rumble instead of Razor, while Hulk won the rumble. But I would have rathered Perfect and Flair be first two entrants in the rumble and the last two left with Perfect winning and going on to face Bret-- the man who put him out of action for a year
Vince wanted to do the tried and tested Hogan vs monster heel top storyline feud but Vince was banking on Hogan staying which he didn’t want to do so Yokozuna won the title back, once Hogan came back no one else was ever in the main event picture in Vince’s eyes and everyone else was filler or mid card.
Yes but I would have had it the other way around with Perfect going into Mania as champ. He split with Flair and started a feud with him shortly after Flair dropped the belt to Hart so in my mind if you’re going to book that main event it would have made more sense of Perfect had won the belt from Flair, finally emerging from his shadow. Rumble would have been an opportunity to build Bret’s credibility as the top guy. Yoko could have worked with Hogan or Taker at Mania.
I think it should of been Bret vs Savage as the main event and other matches should of been Hogan vs Yoko, Perfect vs Flair loser leaves town (they wasted this match on a stupid RAW), Taker vs Luger, Steiners vs Money Inc. They botched this Mania badly.
hart n perfect were not draws as headliners. That would've been a horrible match. Be serious.
So I noticed that when they originally spoke about Hulk Hogan in 1993 and Conrad mentions that Hogan said it was his idea the day of WrestleMania to win the title, Bruce said no, it was the idea from the start that's why we had Hogan come in. it was done weeks before, and now in this interview he's saying that the decision was made the night before WrestleMania so which story is true? I'm leaning towards Hogan saying me winning the title would be best and Bruce was trying to protect him.
The original idea may have been Hogan doing a one appearance at Wrestlemania.
But it may have changed when Hogan may have said that he will work on the European tour as a final hulkamania tour.
Technically from business sense it was a good move. It hurt Yokozuna in a long term. But Yokozuna was anyway booked as shit during his world title reign. Undertaker and Bret hart and even Luger would beat Yokozuna making him look like a poor heel.
Then Bret Hart defeated him when Yokozuna slipped from the top rope was another crap way of him looking like an idiot.
The conversation between Hogan and McMahon in 1993 probably went like this. You know brother I just don’t see a Canadian beating Hulkamania at WrestleMania for the title brother. I got an idea how about I squash Yoko in an impromptu match brother.-HH. God damn pal I love it. -VKM
🤣😂😅
Doesn’t surprise me hogan is a selfish piece of crap isn’t good enough to lace Bret’s boots
@@nathanwanner..44 Bret didn’t draw, when he and Shawn were champion the WWF was irrelevant. It took Austin and then Rock to bring them back
@@FFKDTP1 And Russo's booking. Lets not forget that detail.
Pronouns pal!
I loved wrestlemania 9. That last match was one of my favs. I have a custom wrestlemania 9 hulk ljn figure.
I remember being terrified as a kid when I saw Yoko destroy Hacksaw Jim Duggan on Raw and end his career. I was like 6 years old at the time. I will never forget the time I was watching the PPV on scrambled TV when Yoko bonzai dropped bret to win, I remember how much I cried
You should of been alive when King Kong Bundy splattered the Dwarf and Hillbilly Jim was holding his lifeless body in the wrong after the match... 🤣🤣🤣
@@bretth4988 How about the time when John Tenta did a seatdrop onto Jake's snake bag. Jake had to fake cry on national television.
So apparently I wasn't the only dude who watched scrambled PPVs eh?? Lol. Good times...
My dad would only by WCW ppvs in the late 90s so I was always watching scrambled WWF ppvs.
@@eveningstar4543smart man, your dad 😉😄😄😄
Hogan ruined the progression and rise of WWF, the proverbial torch was not passed and it affected the future champions Hart, michaels, nash, sid. Only Bret hart and Shawn were able to pass it to Austin and relight the torch.
I love Bret and Shawn but they were champs when business was down sid too business didn’t pick back up till austin took off
@@jimbowlan5804 who helped Austin take off???? Even if shawn didn't want to, he still did. Why weren't those two bigger???? Because Hogan f cked Bret over.
Business was down but not because Shawn or bret were champion. I stopped watching exactly because of this horse shit. The night hogan beat yoko, I also watched razor ramon treat backlund like a jobber, literal clowns wrestling, and giant gonzalez in a hairy body suit. I quit watching because of everything BUT Shawn and Bret. They had no good opportunities or opponents, besides each other.
Business was down BECAUSE Bret and Shawn took over.
Hulk Hogan is one of the biggest-drawing pro wrestlers of all time.
Bret Hart is a guy who believes himself to be a legend.
True
To be honest I enjoyed the Bret and Jerry lawler stuff way more than I would have enjoyed a hulk hogan Bret hart feud
I can't believe that WWE would do something to try to boost business during a time when business was down. The nerve.
😊Yep.
I love Bret Hart, but I can't fault Hogan too bad for this deal. He was looking out for Hulk Hogan, but Bret was trying to look out for Bret.
I guess that worked out for Hulk's best interest years later when he had a feud with Billy Kidman. Didn't he actually lose a match to Billy Kidman? Regardless, It was a sh!t thing to do. That's basically tradition to put the next top guy over, On your way out.
That's always my issue with Bret gripes. It'd always stuff like "I should have had the title forever" type stuff. And it's hard to believe he wouldn't have done the same if he was in Hulk's shoes because if you listen to him he was never happy putting people over for the belt himself, he just did it because he didn't have the Hogan pull to refuse to do so until Montreal. It's also always ironic that you never heard Bret talking about any times he wanted to lose it to anybody. Interesting how that goes. Everybody is a dick if they aren't offering to lose to you but you aren't when you are complaining about giving up the belt or never trying to ask for guys to put over. Bret is probably a good guy but if you read his book you'll notice he does a lot of the stuff he slams people for but when he does it he always has an altruistic reason why he was ok for doing it.
@@pirateradio6429 that was like the one low end of the card hulk ever did lol
@@pirateradio6429 Not really. Hogan outran Hart. He was a bigger star, and continued to be. Just because you're a few years younger, or someone is leaving, doesn't give a bullet proof vest of winning. That would be meaningless and lame.
Tradition to put the next guy over? Don't remember Samartino losing to Morales or Backland or Backland losing to Hogan
So they had to cut half the match w Bret & Yoko for time as they had the old school “OUT” time they had to adhere to with Live PPV. Shame as there were so many other matches earlier that If they knew they could of cut or outright squash. Taker & Gonzales comes to mind
Yup. That whole Mania was terrible. You could’ve cut any other match shorter and it wouldn’t have mattered.
A few other matches could have also been cut a bit to give more time to the main event
@@melainebullock C’mon now that wasn’t a shot at Taker. It was about Gigante & that along with Bundy were 2 of his worst matches ever, again nothing against Calloway, it’s the match they gave him and how it was booked.
I'm confused by the conflicting stories. Bret said Yoko chose to go home early. Bret was pissed and said "I can never get those five minutes back" to yoko or something like that after the match. Now bruce is saying the ref said go home after a cue from backstage. Both of those things can't be true.
@@LessThan-wr1nr when in doubt trust Bret Hart over 90% of the industry especially the artful dodger aka Bruce Pritchard
I have the suspicion Bruce hated Bret Hart.
100% punched out his daddy Vince. Bruce clearly hates Bret and is a Shawn Mark. Not idea why like normal people u can't appreciated both
Everyone hates your hero. The whole world is against him.
People have revisionist history now but if you go back and watch WM9, when Hogan won the title that place exploded. Hart was always a mid card tag team wrestler who, while yes he was champ, was just finding his feet as a single wrestler. His promos were stale and he never improved. The only time he got excited and showed emotion was when he was blowing his own horn. Otherwise, he was monotone and dry.
lol revisionist history is saying Bret Hart isn't a maineventer.
I'd have to agree. The only time he was entertaining is when he was a heel towards the end. I can understand Hulks position. He wanted one last payday and didn't think a face v face match would work. He was looking out for himself like everyone else does.
You are completely full of it.
It's too bad you didn't actually watch at the time.
You wouldn't look so ignorant.
Off hand, I can't remember Hogan wanting to put ANYONE over. Bret was a workhorse.
How do you know? You worked in WWF back then?
I always wanted to see Bret vs Dutch Mantell
Bruce changes his story every time
If we allowed them to get in decent shape for their ages and do a cinematic match?? Bret vs Hogan? Hogan vs Austin, in a cinematic match. The cinematic matches is a medium that can be used with wrestlers past their prime.
Digitally, yes
What THE hell is a cinematic match?
Like what Taker and AJ Styles did. That being said these people are on drugs if they think Hogan vs Bret in any format could occur right now.
Enough about the cinematic match
How is it possible to remember specific details from 30 years ago lol
Conrad dropped the ball on this interview . They did a photo shoot for a match they were not planning on doing B S . They wanted a Heel that was scary to be champion so he held the belt for about 2 min then dropped the belt he just won to Hogan more B S . Prichard must spend a small fortune in toothpaste to clean the S T off his teeth .
As a very long time fan. I noticed the WWF around 86-87 I was 5. Hulk Hogan was my guy, larger than life. Muscles, recognizable...from Rocky to the A-Team. He was my hero as a little kid. My opinion of Bret has fallen some over the year...he comes off to me as a spoiled promotors kid, HUGE Ego. The whole Roster should lose to his Sharpeshooter. And if you apose him Your the bad guy..poor Bret...Hulk... Bischoff..HBK.. Vince.... I don't think Hulk owed Bret Hart sh*t.
well said
If you are to believe what Bret has said the problem isn’t that Hogan would not put Hart over but that Bret was led to believe by Vince McMahon and/or Hogan that Hogan would put Hart over and then that was changed. Hulk Hogan didn’t owe Bret anything just as Andre the Giant didn’t owe Hulk Hogan anything but Hulk Hogan putting Bret over on his way out would have been the right thing to do for business. It obviously wasn’t best for Hulk Hogans business which is why he didn’t do it, but it would have been best for WWF at the time
@@mattlarson8358 point taken but the word is Hulk and Vince had agreed on Yoko. Not Bret
@@mattlarson8358 wait a second. Respectful ly I disagree that hulk putting over Bret would have been the right thing. Baby face vs baby face has never been a big money maker. Hogan warrior proved that. Hulk did do the right thing at KOTR. He couldn't slam yoko, yoko kicked out of the leg drop and he beat hulk with a leg drop. That made Yoko the ultimate heel and MADE the next guy (Bret) who beat him. That is how Andre passed the torch to Hogan, that's how Hogan passed the torch to the Rock. Good guy vs bad guy. I'm with the guy who started this thread. Bret didn't care about long term story telling. He just wanted to beat people and if those individuals didn't agree then they were out to get Bret. My opinion over the years have gone from favorable to I'm glad Bret got screwed at survivor series. He deserved it.
@@CleverLutherTalbert why do you say Warrior vs Hulk Hogan proved face vs face doesn’t sell? They had a packed house. Was there ppv buy rate low? Idk about that from a financial standpoint point, but I though Yoko as champ was god awful. The blue print for wrestling was usually having a heel champ, but for WWF they always had a baby face champ and it worked for them before Yoko and then after Yoko and even with Yoko as champ Bret was the face of the company with exception of like 6 months when it was Luger. But it would have made Bret look iconic to beat Hulk Hogan clean vs Yoko having a cheap win against Hulk Hogan. Again it was best for Hulks brand to not lose clean, but I think he would have been an even bigger star with a win over Hogan. Just 1 mans opinion
babyface Hulk vs babyface Bret would have been interesting, I'm not sure if that works.
Real life Terry Bollea is a sleazy, narcissistic, egotistical heel. Hulk Hogan is nothing like the cartoon character he plays. I always thought he was better as a heel because it's more realistic to who he truly is
Bruce is so wrong to think that finding out that Hogan got the belt at WM9 made people want to watch it. It did exactly the opposite.
Made me want to watch it, loved seeing hogan come out and win the title. Having said that, I was 12 at the time and loved seeing larger than life superstars. Now that I am older i see Bret for what he is but at the time I seen a man that was no bigger than my father , so seeing hogan come out was awesome. He was still that comic hero in real life to save the day. 😊
Another thing, the wrestling industry is one of the most stubborn when it comes to change. Even now that's the order of the day. If money guys are allowed to control output, pro wrestling as a potential huge moneymaker is gone. Sounds like a paradox, but when moneymen are only looking at the bottom line and enforcing an industry standard, the less fans there will be due to fans not caring about the industry because the product overall is very substandard. It's easy as fuck to be a fan/soyboy, what's not so easy is calling out the BS when those fucking fan/soyboys defend EVERYTHING about a product and can't reflect on it's downclassing in popular culture. Bruce is important as a figure to show how not to do it in modern entertainment, he refuses to change because. Seemingly, JUST because. If that's the case, then it's not a good enough reason to think you are a saviour of the industry. Lived experience can be great, but if you're doing the same shit as decades ago on a constant basis of severity, it's still a detriment to EVERYONE involved. Stick to being an old man with stories, your overall view of "Well, this worked 20 years ago.." attitude is one of desperation of something new you can't think of. The other side of the coin is people being hired for "story telling" when these people write TOTAL fiction and don't understand the concept of "casting" for an ongoing role, where the entertainer is expected to be that toon 24/7. Here is a radical thought, why not do regular tryouts for the creative team to work with developing talent to prove their worth before allowing them to influence the story telling. Wrestlers themselves can only do so much if the writing is fucking terrible (and it usually is) but get all of the blame when it goes tits up. Where we are is this: Companies (NOT just WWE) that refuses to let wrestlers cut their own promos but insist on hiring substandard writers to direct the topic. You can fanboy (intentional) all you want, but the industry is DYING because of overall choices made by people way too stuck in the past.
It looked to me like:
1) They knew they had to promote someone else as they couldnt just have Hogan as the top face forever but
2) also wanted to keep Hogan around as he was still a big draw. Hart was as good as anyone to promote. They were in the process of doing the right thing but
3) Hogan couldnt bare anyone else being the top face so threatened to walk out and do film/tv full time if he wasnt presented as the top face. Vince, not wanting to lose Hogan basically killed Hart, Yokozuna AND the title by implementing the repulsive finish to WM9.
4) Then Hogan f*cked off anyway not long later
hogan in the day reminds me of Bret Farve and (now) Aaron Rodgers….. One one level knows that the boss has to plan for the future and invested in the NEXT big thing, and forgetting that at one point HE was the next big thing
Bits n Bobs what interests me is whether Bret could've made Hogan wrestle the way he did in Japan should this match have taken place? If Bret couldn't do that then I can't see the match working brillinatly if Hogan was going to lose.
Don't forget the time he did a shot in Japan while having the WWF Title and called it "a toy", burying the title even more.
The Hogan narrative doesn't really work. They already knew he was leaving when his contract was done. Even Hogan says he was just trying to score a last big payday before he left because he was already shooting movies and had landed Thunder in Paradise. And in the same shoes I bet Bret would've done the same.
@@MrSheckstr Favre was pushed out
This is the things so many people here don't get. Pro Wrestling is entertainment, they put matches together for the purposes of entertainment, they can't just put Wrestler A against Wrestler B, Wrestler A and Wrestler B have to be able to put together a match with each other that will entertain. Bret was a babyface technical master, Hogan was a babyface Brawler, they couldn't put them together in any kind of entertaining singles match, one of them had to be a bad guy in order for the match to work and neither were going to turn at that time.
Let's be really honest about this until long after Hogan left the WWF Brett Hart was nowhere near in his league and had no business in the ring with him. Brett was a tag team champion add a mid carder, that's all he was, apparently with rather large delusions of grandeur. Years later he came into his own, he even became passable with a microphone in front of him, but he was never Hulk Hogan or in that league. If he had been in that league his departure would have hurt WWE lot more than it did, and I could argue he left at his career high point, still wasn't missed much.
lol you are clueless
We were robbed of Hart vs Hogan. The Picture was taken. We never got the match. That is the single biggest mistake in wresting booking history.
WCW Had Planned It For The Fall Of 1999 Maybe For The World Heavyweight Title
At Starrcade 1999 And Then Goldberg Face The Winner But Vince Russo Wrote Hulk Off Television. Hogan vs Hart Could've Drawn In 1999. They Weren't Too Old. Hogan vs Piper For The Final Time In WCW On Nitro In 1999 Still Drew. A 5.0 Rating.
Brett is a legend in his own mind. He is/was bland and boring. He's a good ring worker that should have been a permanent tag-team mid-carder. His singles push was done out of necessity and it amazes me how people misremember history and try to make him more popular than he ever was.
A legend in his own mind yet got the belt 5 times, a legend in his own mind yet his merchandise sold. I don't remember the WWE going out of business with Bret on top and he drew in Canada and around the world. So how was Bret a legend in his own mind again? And if he was such a legend in his own mind than why did Vince give him a 20 year contract when he could have told him to hit the road. Your hate for Bret Hart doesn't tell an accurate story.
Also they could have pushed shawn then, they could have pushed Razor Ramon, Diesel could have gotten pushed earlier. But they dropped the ball keeping the belt on Yokozuna for over a year. But I blame Bret as well because he should have left in 96 before Vince offered him that 20 year contract.
Stone Cold Steve Austin was arguably created the night he faced Bret but carry on...
I have to agree. I like Bret actually. But he's nowhere near what Hulk was. In his book he said that Vince told him in 1988 that he was getting more fan mail than Hulk. I don't buy that for a second.
@@noshow22Truth
I remember the SharpShooter in my mind being a ripoff of the Scorpion Death lock of Sting. I always wondered why he stopped using the clothesline. It was one of the most devastating finishers in my childhood.
Bret Sharpshooter was better than Sting’s SDL, and I like Sting more than I do Bret.
@@Director2024 Sting Had Also The Scorpion Deathdrop.
Rip off of the Scorpion? You act like Sting came up with it.
@@allencollins5666he didn't add that until 96/97 though
Riki Choshu invented it. Watch other promotions that are outside of North America and maybe you won't make a comment like this.
Bret Hart was only ever over as a Main Eventer in his own mind.
Nobody can compare Bret Hart to a Hulk Hogan without bursting out laughing.
You definitely make me laugh.
Bret is a million times more of a better wrestler and a man for that matter than Terry. Conrad’s opening must of been hard to vocalize with hogans balls slapping his chin
How long have you known Hulk and Bret?
Prob the best king of the ring ever
I want to know why there has never beena boxed set on Brother Love. Loved that character.
Conrad, you are hands down the best interviewer I've heard do these interviews. I wish Vince would sit down with you and you'd have the balls to ask the same questions you ask Bruce, Bischoff and the others
He's also the best at a buffet too.
This is why I never cared for WWF, always saw it as inferior to MidSouth, WCCW, and JCP (the only other 3 I saw regularly). There were great talents, like Andre, Tito Santana, the Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Ricky Steamboat, John Studd and Killer Bees that were really good, but the storylines were so ridiculous, and you rarely saw good matches on TV. Then, the focus is on guys like Hogan and Warrior, who suck in the matches they had. All glitter, no substance.
💯. JCP and WCCW were so much better. I didn't get TV coverage of Mid South until late 87 when it was called UWF
@@soulofanerd9364 And while it was good in 87, you really missed the better years of 82-85. From when Watts took over in 79, until 1987, there wasn't anything better, more believable, than Mid-South. Others were as good, as opinions vary, but Mid-South had some really compelling storylines.
@@jaythor70 yeah I wish I could find a bunch of that stuff to watch. I hear Peacock has some on the WWE page so I'll check some of that out. I always hear how different Duggan was from the clown I couldn't stand in WWE and of course DiBiase NOT being a Millionaire character is something I'd probably prefer even though I did like the Million Dollar Man
@@soulofanerd9364 Yes, the heel turn from baby-face Ted Dibiase on the JYD was crushing to this 11 yr-old, and my mom. Freebirds, Akbar swerving Ernie Ladd, One Man Gang, Kamala, and the early appearances of some of the best talent WWF ever got. Duggan came into his own, and the patriot image wasn't overblown, but realistic.
Only 1 is still around so it wasn’t inferior to them at all
So this is the first time Vince screwed Bret!
I gotta be honest. For me the KOTR was a big deal back then
Right whats that crackling constantly on the Audio ?
Hulk Hogan could only "lose clean" once every 10 years.
Yet he lost clean to Taker, Rock, and Lesnar all in a year 👌
@@FFKDTP1 10 years later when he was washed up. Who cares?
@@FFKDTP1 taker wasn't clean Vince interfered with a chair.
Hogan had no incentive to do it back then for Vince. He knew his days we're numbered there in 92 and was probably already looking at WCW
Yes to rock . Angle and tripel H clean in one year ^^ so dont lie hogan hater ^___^
Man Idky they they had to do Bret dirty so damn much. My favorite wrestler as a kid and I never really got to see him have his time as champ. I’d wanted him to win the title for so long and it finally felt like it was gonna happen.
Couldn’t afford the ppv that month, but when I got to school the Monday after the Screw Job and my friends were telling Michaels won it I was some level of heartbroken.
I never watched wrestling again after that. Just didn’t have the desire😔. It still pisses me off.
Hulk not wanting to lose the title to Bret or whoever is not the problem. Wrestlers were always selfish with that stuff. The real issue is why Bret was completely dropped from even having matches with Hulk. That is poor and I can see why he would be asking questions. Especially when everyone knew the match was already setup
If that was my boy who got his puck stolen, me and that dude would have had words for sure…
Why does it even matter? Bret got to be champion five times. I'm sure there's guys that they asked Bret to put over, he said, no, and that was the end of it.
The problem is most of these people are Bret marks and think this shit is as real as Bret thinks it is.
@@genocidereaper1 hell I was a "Bret mark" for years. Over the years, listening to him still complaining to this very day, I've just grown tired of this idea that he was free from fault with the way things turned out for him.
he refused to lose to shawn on the way out. He wouldn't take Undertakers finish thats why Nash left.
@@markleopard8960 If you read his book, he literally complains about every job he had to do that wasnt for a family member and even complains about other peoples’ pushes. He complained about Warrior’s push….ok, so a lot of people did. But he also complained about Arn and Tully getting the tag titles.
He complained about the Mountie getting the IC belt even though the company protected him by making it non-televised and said he had a 104 fever.
He complained about Yoko getting the belt. He complained about jobbing to Backlund. He complained about jobbing to Shawn, even though Shawn put Bret over 10,000 times in the early 90’s. He bitched that they pushed Shawn so much before Wrestlemania. He bitched about putting over Sid.
He bitched about putting over Booker T in WCW. And while in WCW, he bragged in several promos that he beat Steve Austin im every match they had.
He’s also always quick to take credit for The Rock and Steve Austin.
“When I saw The Rock in his first match, I told everyone that he would be the face of the company. Everyone laughed at me. But I told them that he was the future.”
“I knew Steve was going to be a megastar in WCW. I helped bring him in to WCW and our matched made him a superstar.”
I wont deny that the feud between Bret and Austin did elevate Stone Cold, but Jesus Christ, does he have to remind us every time Austin’s name is mentioned? Literally, every time someone asks Bret about Steve Austin, Bret goes on a rant about how instrumental he was in Austin’s career.
I’m not a fan of braggarts. I believe if youre good at something, you don’t need to brag because others will do it for you. Bret was good. But I get tired really quickly listening to him. He cant go more than 2 minutes without launching into a story about how great he was.
@@markleopard8960 🤔
Hogan is the biggest star ever, Bret’s gotta get over it he couldn’t light a candle to him. Do we wish we saw that match sure but get over it. Hogan is the biggest star ever his accolades are endless his hate amongst the virgins in the IWC are comical
Spoiler: Bret was screwed
Bret screwed Bret
@@genocidereaper1 No Vince screwed Bret and Bret knocked Vince out
@@donnelladams8362 Bret thought it was all real, he was an actor and wouldn't play his part so they edited the script on him. Bret Hart, the one guy so difficult and whiney to deal with his most famous moment in his career is being so much of a bitch a company had to use a surprise finish on him.
It was a work.
Why is it always clicking?
So the guy that wouldn’t give up the title in Canada was mad someone wouldn’t lose to him. Gotcha
DIFFERENT circumcision
@@dusteedawg2915try English next time
WM 9: Hogan win the belt to a huge ovation. Like it or not it was what the people wanted, at that time nobody really cares about Bret as the main event guy. Sorry it's true
Hogan said on a podcast that Bret was to small looking to lose too. I heard “Hogan” say this.
Perhaps Andre the Giant should have said that to Hogan.
Source: Trust me bro
@@greggilbert7529But Hogan Was A Near 300 Pound Built Muscular Man. If You Are Built, And You Weigh Under 245 Pounds You Are Small. You're A Heavyweight But Small. Noone Would Refuse To Job To A Built Wrestler Near 300 Pounds. That's Like A 600 Pound Fat Man Refusing To Job To Kevin Nash Or Kane Or Sid Vicious. They Wouldn't Dare Say Kevin Nash, Kane Or Sid Vicious Too Small. Now Andre The Giant Would've Had Every Right To Say A 300 Pound Fat Man Was Too Small To Lose To.
@@dallasparty316Source....a newspaper article in 1993.
What did it look like at the time? Hulk beating Yoko at mania was like the Cold War all over again. Flair had gone back to WCW to be the top guy and now we had Hogan back on top like the giant reset. Boring to say the least. Would have loved to have seen Bret vs Hogan.....but from Hogan's standpoint...I could see him not wanting to lose to someone smaller in size and popularity like Bret. Also, it worked out for Bret as if he had beaten Hogan.....where would he have gone from there? He would have beaten the biggest names in the business Flair/Hogan.
Butt Hurt still wouldn't have been a draw
Let’s all be honest. Hogan knew he couldn’t beat Bret hart
Damn right.
Hulk Hogan robbed us of a great match, and he robbed Bret of the symbolic passing of the torch!
Just to go back to it: look Bret did for the 1-2-3 Kid on Raw back in 93, I think it was. There’s no reason Hulk Hogan couldnt do that for Bret.
What?.
I never saw Bret Hart as the champion. Imo Bret brought the prestige of the championship down a peg. I always saw him as one of the greatest intercontinental champs.
who is this conrad thompson guy? He is literally everywhere on wrestling podcasts
Nothing was selling from 93-1995.
Hogan himself was nowhere near as over as he was even in 1991. The Crowds were bad, the energy level was bad and so was the roster.
A face Hulk Hogan doesn't give up in those days. In keyfabe, Bret beating Hogan is not believable.
That said, Bret had an uneven year... Solid win over Razor at RR, bad match against Yoko at WM, awesome KOTR PPV, a below his level fued with Lawler, but then a good kick off to his great fued with Owen at Survivor Series.
1994 was largely better for him.
Bret was great in 1997 as the heel when he finally started to get quality guys besides HBK to wrestle.
He could have faired well in the attitude era if he had stayed and embraced it.
Excellent take!
Hulk Hogan probably knew he was going to lose to Bret Hart since he can't do technical wrestling period. Hulk's matches are just elementary with brawling, boot the face, standing stuplex, elbow drop and leg drop pretty much. Hulk Hogan is not a creative wrestler like Bret Hart. Bret Hart is very creative, innovative and always tries invent something new in all his matches. I always prefer Bret Hart's matches and had Hulk wrestled Bret, Bret would have made him look like a technical wrestler. Bret Hart was humbling, giving and always wanted to make his opponents look better. I feel WWF/WWE don't really appreciate how much Bret Hart gave for the wrestling business.
You should be embarrassed to have posted this as if you know what you're talking about. You need to watch Hogan 70s matches in Japan. He's not Brett Hart, hes about twice Harts size and looks as if he could could snap him in half with one arm, so he uses a different move set, but Hogan is quite capable of technical wrestling. The fact is unlike Hart he was such a big star he didn't need to put his body through that anymore, Brett Hart never became that big a star. Maybe we are talking about 2 different wrestlers because the way you wrap up that's not Brett Hart, not at all. Hart was a legend in his own mind, almost as good a wrestler as Curt Henig, not nearly as good on the mic.
@@deadend1041 im sorry but never in his life could hogan ever match bret in technical skills or athleticism. I remember as a kid what made me a fan of bret was his punches looked more real than anyone elses especually hogans weak working ones. I agree hulk did more in the seventies but NEVER what bret could do.
@@deadend1041 Hogan was never the technical wrestler that Bret was.. not even close. Bret put on a clinic in the ring and had amazing long matches that helped get his opponents over. Hogan was a garbage wrestler that refused to lose and pass the torch when it was time to do so.
Wrestling is about putting asses in seats and drawing money…it’s a business…being technical doesn’t mean horse shyt…hogan is the goat when he was champ everyone ate..flair even says hulk was the biggest star cuz he drew more then anyone period.
@@ninowaves4061 Actually I think Austin and the Rock beat him in drawing. But your right about Hulk putting asses in the seats because he did that for many decades.
Hogan his last night in the Company lost the belt and was carried out on a stretcher. When Bret was leaving he refused to lose and wanted to come out on raw and hand Vince the belt. Tell me who had and ego and was being unprofessional.
hogan was willing to lose to yoko. bret didnt wanna lose to shawn cuz shawn said hed never lose to bret, it was backstage politics between bret and shawn
Lies. Bret offered to lose to Austin, Shamrock, etc....anybody but Michaels.
@@jons5658 thats not what cornette and Pritchard have said Bret didn't want to lose in 🇨🇦.
@@markleopard8960 he didn’t want to lose to SHAWN in Canada, after all the shit that Shawn had pulled over the last year.
Of course, he was right. Shawn didn’t do shit with the title, got hurt, and then lost it to Austin. And then was gone for 4 years.Pointless. Shawn was a train wreck at the time.
@@markleopard8960 it’s all to do with shawn saying he wouldn’t put bret over, you can find this on multiple interviews
00:53-I call bullshit! In sure a guy like Bret is pitching ideas!
Never ever answered the question. Why would hulk not put over Bret. Just because he isn't as big as warrior. Smh. Politics I'm wrestling. Hulk was probably scared of Bret. Considering hitman was so much better at doing what they all did for a living. Jealous.
Hogan start 2 different wrestling booms, I doubt he was scared or jealous of Bret
Every time I hear Conrad's voice, I think it's J.R..
same!
Bret and Hulk were as bad as each other... Bret refused to put taker over a few times even though it would be pretty believable that taker would squash him if they were to shoot
God Conrad waffles on
I know this wont be popular but Brets exit plan was to give away the belt and not put over shawn
Bret screwed Bret
It's a shame champions refused to give up the belt I personally would have like to have seen so many other great people get the belt like roddy piper, Mr perfect, Rick rude, jake the snake, the British bulldog davey boy Smith (for the English fans) Owen Hart, big boss man, sure you could say more
What about Paul?
Sorry Paul who
They become marks for themselves once they are champion
Bret needs to get a life and all the scrubs whining for him behind the scenes need therapy subscriptions.
Oh yeah Bret shouldn't win matches with the Sharpe shooter. Change it up. Like when Hogan would win match after match without the leg drop. Oh wait that never happened.
bret beat undertaker, diesel, yoko CONVINCINGLY for world titles. all guys BIGGER THAN HULK. bret made bam bam and Vader his b*tch too. he smashed big men because he's a legit badass with a lineage of badass men that torture people. if HULK wanted a shoot to see if brets tough enough or believable enough then bret would've folded Hulk into a pretzel and broke his arm or leg.
Ok and? Bret hart refused losing to Shawn. No biggie.
4 years later
@Old Age Roddy never put hogan over, where’s that same energy?
@Old Age It’s not a goal post move, just checking if you keep that same energy or you just have a double standard and bias. Bret didn’t want to put over Shawn and honestly he most likely wouldn’t have done it at wrestlemania 12 if he wasn’t leaving for his injury.
@Old Age Well even for that, I got it mixed up with his knee injury in mid 1996 when he came back to face austin. Bret even said he wanted to be in acting if that opportunity didn’t come I doubt he would’ve put Shawn over. You guys like act like Bret was some god in 1993, there’s an argument that can be made YOKO was more over than bret as a heel.
@Old Age Why would Hogan want to wrestle Bret, Face VS face when it’s better to do Heel VS face.
Was there a wrestler alive that didn't want Hogan to put him over?....What makes Bret the special case? Hogan put Yokozuna over, and dropped the belt on his way out.... That's more than Bret was willing to do on his way out of WWE.
Bruce always with underlying disdain for Bret. Bruce just seems like a weasel
i think they should of done wrestlemania 9 diffrent and had macho man vs bret hart at the end of wrestlemania 9 and bret hart wins then the next night on raw have bret lose to yokozuna then have hulk hogan vs yokozuna for the title at the king of the ring 1993 and hulk wins then have hulk vs bret at summerslam 1993 or wrestlemania 10
Nothing in it for Hogan to drop title to Bret. Just bad business that would have diminished Hogans character, and likely Bret’s too, and been a mediocre match with zero heat. Only way out would have been to have Bret go crazy at his title loss, and falling to Hogan, and turn heel on Hogan, much like he did Austin. Have Hogan either ganged up on, or faint (like Austin), and both characters come out looking good, with a storyline to go from. A Hogan heel turn would have made zero sense at that time, since there was no major angle going on to add context to such a turn. I have a hunch Bret didn’t want to be a heel.
Bret is a mark
Imagine if every wrestler complained like Bret 😂 he acts like he’s the only one this type of stuff happens to
Bret screwed Brett!
what find it ironic is hogan stuck his nose in bret business for wm 9 match when he was not advertised . then when the same is being done to him in bash at beach 2000 he get pissed
Is Bruce high ? Here lately he sounds like he is out of it on these podcast like said about the tv in vinces office made no sense was so random he just sounds out of lately must a took a OxyContin or Xanax lol
Hell yeah. I’ve noticed that too. He sounds like he got faded or plastered on these shows lately.
Oh and Vince liked to gas light Bret alot. It seems like he lied a lot to Bret, and Bret always fell for it.
So Bret was dumb as well as bitter.
For me, it was the worst thing they ever did as far as finishes and switching the title. That being said, Bret is constantly whining whenever he has to drop a title. “I was crushed”. Get it together mate. It’s not your company. Let them make an ass of it and eventually you will be in the main spot again. It’s not like Hogan insisted on dropping the leg on Bret and getting a finish on him. I’ve never understood why Bret felt Hogan owed him that. He didn’t. Yoko beat Bret and Bret got his win over him. The man is straight up ridiculous. Most wrestlers have a moan, say the finish was silly and more be on. We are expected to feel bad for him all these years later. No wonder HBK was like @screw this guy”.
Should have
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No one cares
@@09sheamus u care enough to reply u mark #NWAFAM
@@CertifiedHuSTLer keep drinking the nwa koolaid you mark
@@09sheamus on gay liberals who support antifa watch AEW btw the NWA champ has beaten anyone important in aew in past 3 years none of them beat him though lol
St Louis up in this biatch! I'll be there too dirty! NWA is gonna rise again at the Chase Park Plaza. Its where Dick the Bruiser, Andre, Brody, Flair, and Hogan all evolved from. Everybody should care if they care about professional wrestling
He isn’t on Bret’s ass 24/7 but he is on Vince’s.😉
I wouldn't of lost to the bum neither
We've seen and heard just as many stories about Bret Hart being just as big of an ego maniac as Hogan and Warrior. He never liked a finish unless he was going over with a clean pin or submission in the center of the ring.
If this was real, brother....
I love Bret but he was in no position in 93 to be demanding Hogan put him over. He wasn’t on that level. People were just getting used to him being a champion
Bret Hart was a mid card talent and belonged over there only.
If it was NOT discussed or planned bla bla bla WHY TAKE THAT PICTURE?????????
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Still support Hogan not putting Brett over. There was never a point where they were in the same federation and Brett was a viable competitor for Hogue let alone to be put over. It could have been done with the right build-up but that never happened, So if I'm Hulk Hogan and at any point in time Brett wants to be put over the answer is no.
Actually Summerslam 93 was the perfect time for Hogan to pass the torch to Bret. Bret was already a main eventer and face of the new generation, while Hogan's popularity was on a decline.
@@GameTime-yj6qv That's a good point. Hogan doesn't really belong there and it often slips my mind that he was because he immediately disappears again doesn't he or does it just seem that way?
@@deadend1041 yeah he had a short run in 93, mostly coming in from just before Wrestlemania 9 to King of the Ring. He stuck around through the summer but only did houseshows against Yokozuna. If Hogan was going to win the title at Wrestlemania the least he could have done was drop it to Bret at Summerslam 93.
@@GameTime-yj6qv bret didnt drew man
@@Aizenborgman Bret was a big draw in Europe. The wrestling business as a whole had down years during Bret's and Shawn's time as Champions.
BP is aPR talent cleaning up after hogan and vince