Arks & Recreation (feat. Jim Helton) - (Ken) Ham & AiG News
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2019
- Ken Ham and his team have a bi-weekly "news" show, reacting to the news stories of the day from a Christian young-earth creation perspective from the Answers in Genesis staff at his Creation Museum.
Jim Helton (National Field Organizer for American Atheists Inc) and I join Ken Ham, Georgia Purdom and Bodie Hodge as they discuss unconstitutionally promoting trips to the Ark Encounter, octopus DNA from space and more in this episode of Answers News hosted in front of a live audience at the Creation Museum.
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I got so excited when they brought up the octopus thing, because I remember the SGU podcast just completely lambasting it.
Octopuses are cool enough as is without having to invent origin stories for them.
Funnily enough that claim would still be more credible than a 6000 year old earth and a all knowing/powerful god
From what I understand, *NO* other scientists ever supported that paper. I remember seeing an article about this when it first came out on one of those sloppy, clickbaity websites like IFLS or whatever. It just sounded silly to me.
For those who think it is futile to debate or talk to religious people, it IS NOT! I was once a fundamental Christian but I watched the videos of "great" religious and creationist debaters and I saw flaws and fallacies in their arguments and logic and reason in the opposing side. So please post and like these videos to de-convert other young people who are being intellectually harmed by this revolting dogma!
Edit: Thanks for the heart Paulogia! Keep up the awesome work man!
True. I was Christian, too. Not a YEC but still pretty deep into it and I think we should keep on. Ken is a charlatan but his followers are just not realizing that they are fed lies. These Christians were me 7 years ago...
I would like to see a group of children under supervision of Aron Ra to visit this theme park and let him do the talking during the tour!
@Stefan Dingenouts But they don't discriminate!
No, Yahrun, THAT'D be indoctrination! (Even if Aron Ra just stuck to what he could get from peer-reviewed literature on biology and comparative mythology).
Yahrun I would pay to go on a group tour of that theme park if Aron Ra was the tour guide and gave a Darwin Day-type lecture on the main stage!
@Stefan Dingenouts mn
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i hurt my shoulder, and i was wearing a sling at work today to keep it immobile (its really painful) and a customer put his hand on my shoulder and prayed out loud for god to heal me. no joking, no sarcasm, actually prayed out loud for god to fix it. when he was done he said "go ahead and check it, youll find its been healed". that was this morning. my shit feels exactly the same. FUCK. i didnt believe enough, or something. and he did ask me if he could pray for me, and i said sure, but i did not expect him to lay hands on me and do it right there! it took every ounce of strength in me to not bust out laughing though, so thanks for that at least!
Jim Helton I thank you SOOO much for everything you have done! I can't even imagine how horrifying this country would be without folks like you holding people accountable and standing up for what's right. Religion needs to stay away from government! Thank you again for doing your best to make that happen!
I'll know I have truly made it in life if I am ever depicted as a cartoon on this channel.
Here you go, an animation of you holding out your arms: -A-
If I were a school teacher, I'd love to take my students to the Ark Encounter.
Ken Ham might not like what I told the students as we walked through, however.....
ha ha ha ha!
do you know if presenting a counter position in such context would equally be a violation?
@@Paulogia No idea. But I think the Ark Encounter and Creationist textbooks would be great tools for teaching students about logical fallacies and bad science.
@@Paulogia At least Ham has gotten one thing right, religion belongs in a museum.
If I was a school teacher, I'm pretty sure it would not have to be me that mocks the exhibit. To quote my university prof, "the exerecise is left to the student". :)
As a home-educator I'd love to take my children to the Ark Encounter.
If I could blag a "Free: Educator's" ticket and persuade my strong willed, deity-free brats to behave long enough to get through the doors.
Thank you Paul for pointing out Ken Ham's outrageous behavior with this channel. And thank you Jim Helton for your protesting and American Atheist.
So happy this is being done. :)
5:43 A still from the movie Defiance, as they discuss defiant public schools. I like the creativity that goes into these visuals.
I love Jim Helton’s “Just is what it is” attitude. No judgement, just the facts. Bravo!
I love Georgia's total incredulity on something (not scientific) whilst happily believing something even more fantastical.
Excellent, thank you for your work!
Love the P&R clips, they're so perfect!
Great video! It was great to hear from Jim too!
This must have taken a heap of editing. Great job.
- 27°C? I can't even imagine that.
I do. And when winds gets thrown into the mix it's quite dangerous, even!
Thank you Jim Helton, i have posted a picture of the "Genocide & incest park" banner on the Facebook page for the ark encounter.It was there for quite a while. I'm now banned from making comments on that site. I feel not enough athiests visit the ark FB site to explain things (or mock).
Good video, thanks for sharing it.
I was saying in one of Aron's videos Ken Ham is the most dangerous creationist I know of, because we pass off an air of legitimacy Kent Hovind don't and an appearance of intelligence Ray Comfort lacks.
Non-informed people might think there might be something here, while he has nothing like all creationists.
I think that he has a lot actually a lot of money for one thing and one of the most expensive building facades in history for a second, what he does not have however it good evidence that would support the Bible as being literally true.
You think Ken Ham appears intelligent to people?
@@TheKyrix82 Kent Hovind is slimy, and Ray Comfort is clearly stupid, but Ken surrounds
himself with the appearance of legitimacy, with people with actual degrees. What he says IS stupid, but to the unaware it might sounds he might have something.
@@TheKyrix82 It will not matter to a lot of Christians if he appears intelligent or not, you could literally prove that he was a con-man and even that would not necessarily be the end of him there is a large enough portion of Christians out there who are only interested in hearing that they are going to be saved or that the preacher can get God to help them if they are in a shitty situation, if Ken can do that he will always have an audience and supporters.
Methodologically though, Ham is as much a bottom feeder secondary source channeler as Kent Hovind is. Neither are core "fact" claimants in creationism, and Ham isn't even up on a lot of his own side's caveats (such as Ham repeating claim that the horse evolution sequence is bogus, a decade after the baraminologists decided ALL of them actually are related, called a "monobaramin" in their jargon).
Aron Ra made a comment in one of his video's that went something like: Christians feel oppressed when they aren't allowed to oppress anybody. This guy talking about Ken Ham reminded me about that.
Paulogia, you legend
A real hero as your guest today. Way to go and keep up the good work, both of you guys!
Right?!? Jim has my gratitude. I just make videos.
Well timed episode for me, my wife and I just finished watching all of parks and rec for the first time.
Even when I was a Christian, I believed in the separation of church and state. Growing up, I had learned IN CHURCH that Jesus died because his country was essentially a theocracy!! So, I'm with American Atheists all the way, especially now!!
I see a ten year ,"Kent Hovind" style "vacation" in Mr. Ham's future.
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You mean like this? ruclips.net/video/XDC_WkREmlc/видео.html
Things are Just Beginning ! Have you seen The Museum of the Bible ???? Huge !!! on The Mall in Washington DC Glory to God !!!!!
@Joe Horn Be not deceived, God is not mocked; for what ever a man sows, that will he also reap. Turn to Jesus and be saved from the wrath to come !!!
@@jwsanders1214 You can look at the creation "museum" and the Ark encounter and say with a straight face that God is not being mocked?
Compared to this attempt to swindle money from the faithful, the coin changers in the temple were small fry.
Alas, I am convinced that Ken Ham does not believe that which he claimed to believe. It's all just a profit-making scam to him.
You commie atheists hate free enterprise
Like your post! Suggest you can the ending part of your post to: ...."profit-making scam to ham".... :)
@Ian M I'm certain with Kent Hovind, since he was pretty much peddling any woo that promised easy money. I'm fully certain, if there was money in selling communism, he would start singing the Internationale.
With Ken Ham it's more tricky. I actually do believe him that he thinks there is a god, but also that this god doesn't mind if he made money with his name and if that involves swindling "non-believers" (read: Anyone not drinking his flavor of the kool-aid) god's gonna be allright with it.
The "Scam-ham" I like it.
This is the very reason Kenny was asked to leave Australia in the first place.
WOW! Ol’ Hambo is Really Pissed!! Great Job Guys!!
Jim Helton is a personal friend of mine, I live near him and have been to his home several times. I am glad he is on Paulogia.
Thanks, Chad!
I'm late...and I don't want to talk about it right now
late or late late? ;-p
I adore you
How late? Are we talking about weeks or months here? Not to worry, I'm sure you and Paul will have a perfect child.
@@JoriMikke78 perfection is such a loaded word. Though if you want to trigger some theists, just use the term miraculous.
@@sfamerken12 Well I would, but I think that the term "miracle child" is already taken (by multiple religions) :(
Thank you
Hey! I'm in the drone footage at the end. Cool.
...-6C? It was -15C this morning here and -24C yesterday morning. Oh and it was warm enough to rain on Sunday (2 days ago). So yes, there is a thick layer of ice covering everything. And I'm only a few states west of Ham and only a little further north. There are days I wish I was much further north, but usually not on cold days.
I love that Mr Helton said "Eat your cake and have it, too". That's how that phrase is supposed to go, which makes much more sense. That's why I love atheists, lol. They are passionate about truth, even on little things like that.
Oh my goodness! YES! THIS! To eat the cake and (still) have it (afterward) is the correct version to imply wishful thinking or spoiled entitlement.
Excellent!!! (I can't say nor think that without thinking it in Mr Burns voice LOL)
That's it I'm making the song my alarm
People who go to the Genocide and Incest Park for “free” are still using local services. They rely on government services from the police, fire department, roads, water, sewage, trash removal, etc. The 50 cent fee should still be assessed for anyone who attends.
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Heyo Paulogia every one of your vidios watched and loved, Shannon Q. You legend too, nearly gotten through all yours too!
Thank you, Jaryd... so glad you've enjoyed. spread the word!
Thanks!
Great Far Side cartoon! (the 🦌 deer with the target on his chest!)
Remember the caption? “Bummer of a birth mark, Hal.” LOL
Yay new video! Time to lose brain cells listening to Ken Ham.
Nice videotitle! 😁
Good Job Ken Ham The Great I AM will reward you !!!!!!!
This theme is super catchy
I had a traumatic day with my son when I, and my father, tried to explain to my son that god wasn't real. Seeing Dawkins book "the god delusion" left him feeling shattered. After this my ex-wife called me and "ripped me a new one"!!!
I don't think my son got over this until he was old enough to realize that Santa wasn't real and there was no god
💚 *quality content* 💚
I feel i must apologise to you Paul. It took me until today to keep my new years resolution with your channel. Kept it tho.
Oh Ken Ham! He just can't handle having to do things the same way everyone else does.
You are so awesome and wish I could join you
-27 degrees, damn, that's cold. The coldest South Africa gets is around -10. The Great Karoo on the other hand, never has winter...
In the octopus theory defense, this particular paper may be silly, but the DNA molecule folds very nicely into the face of the borax crystal. This matrix preserves the DNA perfectly under an enormous range of conditions, and it is very possible that, if DNA folded into a borax crystal was able to get into space, perhaps from a meteor impact onto a borax salt flat, it would be easy for it travel through space and survive reentry. See book Life As We Do Not Know It, by a NASA biologist.
Hello Paul thank you for the videos I enjoy all of your videos and I have learnt a lot from your videos, thank you again. Do you draw all of your guests and yourself.? Thank you again.
Hey Paul glad to have ham and aig news back. Just wanted to ask if you knew that the arc museum and Georgia were both in a bit of a Netflix docuseries called Dark Tourist. Love what you do keep up the good work and hope all is well!
I saw that. And while that might have been a surprise to people who have never heard of it, she didn't really say anything too crazy on the show that my audience hasn't seen.
I still find it hard to believe that even Kentucky's government could get away with making any kind of deal with a place like this.
The numbers the government should look at is how much growth did the local economy actually show, not how many people KH says went to his park.
Any jobs brought to the area that went through the Ark's screening should not count.
What's up with the government wasting more tax money on crap, and not having to answer for it?
Thank you for the great work that you do!
Before this even starts while the ads are playing .. the reason I clicked this is because I saw Paul with Hank Hill in the thumbnail. Lol
I finally just saw my hard hat. Thank you so much. I love you. I hope you go to the protest. Would love to meet you
So glad you approve! Thank you so much for your support, Su.
-27 sounds amazing, never been to a place that cold. I've barely dipped below 0 :(
It's all about the wind, -20 and a soft breeze ain't fun. -20 without any wind and you can walk around in a t-shirt.
@@falcovg2 So long as you walk slowly.
Even if I was given a ticket I wouldn't go to that monstrosity!
Doing so would just reinforce their lie!
Well Ken Ham should by now know that he is not the best advisor in terms of legal congruity...
Remember his 10 Dollar "sale" of the for profit park to the non profit religious "charity"?
We should really start to give YEC "fair and equal representation"... Ken Ham can get 1 second to present his 6000 years. Science then will have 38 hours (and that is already "rounded up to the next 100,000 years IIRC) to demonstrate the 13.7 billion years since the "big bang"... Then Ken gets another second ... and so on.
"Remember his 10 Dollar "sale""
Ahh Helton brought it back up! If AmAt was involved in that Kudos to them. That was one of the most aggravating galling acts of dishonesty any of those apologetic conmen has ever tried to play.
You know, I had thought Ken was a fairly honest actor until that happened. As soon as he did that obvious tax evasion scheme, well... He revealed himself as a con artist in that moment. Which as someone who used to buy into his grift, I find that both amusing and disappointing at the same time. I genuinely thought he was a true believer and now? I honestly don't think he is. Sure, he probably believes it to a certain extent, but he's definitely acting and performing for cash.
He took a big hit in that deal. He also got it for a steal in that deal.
A family is defined as three or more people. What do you think would happen if a gay or lesbian couple brought their child with them. Which would fail first, his hatred of homosexuals or his hatred of the tax?
I love the delicious sarcasm.
Even Ken Ham in the video said he was ""bearing wtnes" to these school field trips and park trips. He is clearly violating separation of Church and State.
It's 76F (27C) here today :)
I'll be there (Cincinnati native)
Do you ever make the blinks line up..? Because I know when you're actually talking to someone you may unnoticeably align your blinks for a time
I tried once... it makes it even more creepy 😂
SEE U THERE!!! again.
-6°C? That's a heat wave. It's -21 where I live (-29 with wind chill)
They should allow those trips. One look at the Ark Encounter and you know a boat like that couldn’t possibly have been built by one family in the Bronze Age.
That octopus article was completely and quickly discounted.
Is the "religion government" or "church and state" distinction important?
I'd be cool with a field trip in which the school took kids to various religious organizations to teach them about religion. Less of a "this religion preaches true history" and more of a "these religions are a part of human history." I went to a Christian school and one of the best things they ever did for me was have a field trip that took us to a Mosque, two different synagogues from two different sects of Judaism, and several denominations of Christian churches. I only wish we could have also gone to see non-Abrahamic religions as well. The study of religion is cool with me as long as they're not being passed as fact.
I will be at the American atheist convention and the ark protest again this year, anyone else planning on heading there?
Is there any way to get help with transportation to the event?
It's "octopodes" Georgia.
Churches automatically get 501C3 tax benefits and don't have to submit their books. Other organizations have to jump through many hoops and have to submit their books annually.
Shit people talk about Kens accent but damn I’d rather hear Georgia say “octopus eggs” all day long! Great vid Paul!
Have you checked to see if the governments involved have after being challenged have handed over the tour bookings to a local tour company and just passing on the leads after having gotten the advertising out there?
Space octopus sounds like something straight out of an issue of the Fantastic Four. How incredible is it, then, that something from the plot of a comic book sounds more reasonable and feasible that what AiG ever presents?
Woo !! :D
Ooo Unicorns are real. So glad to hear that as its Scotlands national animal
Parks and Recreation should not be promoting any private facilities but only public facilities. A chamber of commerce on the other hand could promote this as a tourist attraction but chambers of Commerce are not generally governmental.
Octopi damn it >_
I want an igloo bunker...
25:30 Yes I've been asking about this on various videos. I always found it weird how they had structured the Ark Park.
Where you pay at the parking lot and then are driven to the Ark. Never knew if it was due to the Walt Disney World thing to separate the parking lot from the MK, if it was because of the land available or to Structure, word used purposely, and skirt around laws. Love to hear more about this.
We can never seem to get away from fundamentalist evangelicals structuring things.
Eh, Kent?
Hey Paul, just want to say thanks for all the videos. I was brought up in a small town in northern ontario as a strict Baptist that was taught AiG as science. I have since become an atheist and have been trying to learn as much as possible about science, evolution, and the failures of the church. Now, my parents and family are still very extremist in their religious beliefs. And now my wife and I expecting our first child in March.
As someone who has been through what I have and is already a father, I would love if you could share your thoughts about raising your kids teaching them science, while your family and parents try to undermine that teaching? My wife and I are on the same page regarding all this but it worries me what my parents and family will say/teach my child and what will happen if we leave our kids at their house for the weekend. I've already had this conversation with my parents, but they said they "can't lie to their grandchild and they wont keep their opinions to themselves b/c their souls are forever."
Thanks Paul!
My name is Sam, btw.
I’m in the same boat, the only difference is, I’m still a closed agnostic/atheist...👀 My family doesn’t know & now that I’m about to have my first child, they are REALLY pushing the “you need to stop being backslidden & get back in church!”, “Okay, time to stop sinning & send your butt to Sunday school to put your innocent baby to the dangerous, sketchy church nursery!”..... I’m not looking forward to crossing the “actually, I don’t believe that & we’re not raising our kid that way.” bridge.🥲
*"Octopuses"*
Well I am not ok with that.
My former associates sigh TL
How long before the ark starts falling apart. It was built by the lowest bidder for a big con artist after all.
I hear it's looking pretty rough.
@@Paulogia i wouldn't be surprised that maintance is a low priority. Everything thing i have seen looks cheaply done. The only thing missing is the flood diving pool or a sign that says :
" we pucker for suckers"
Ken Ham is a spin Doctor...
Wait... The ticket gate is a for-profit, but the attraction itself is non-profit? How the hell does that work?
I guess they're technically different companies.
Praise be to the loop holes.
To be clear, they may not promote a particular religion. They could offer this as an experiential opportunity - but that would require students to have the option to go or not go. And it would require the school to be a neutral arbiter - providing the opportunity without promoting.
why isnt giving these tours free an orchestrated attempt to avoid the turnstile tax? They should have to pay the tax on every visitor, it should be irrelevant if AIG gets paid for it.
9:01 this was exactly the impression I got the last time read the Bible.
Does AiG ever respond to your videos?
In fairness to Ken Ham -6° is really cold to people where I live. You guys who are putting with the winter with -20° to -40° temperatures are super human to me.
MrMetalover666
I think a lot depends on humidity. I remember a Canadian relative visiting us in the UK. He was used to -30/-40 temperatures with no problem, here -2 and he couldn’t take it because it was cold and wet. Cold he could cope with, add wet and he was finished.
@@markborder906 True mate.
Around zero, moist air and some wind is worse than -40, dry air and no wind.
One new years eve we had -42 and watched fireworks in t-shirts, then throwing boiling water up the air to have a little snowfall.
We stood outside almost 20 minutes and it took 15 minutes before we even started to be cold.
A couple weeks ago we had about 30 below and windy, and we had to supplement the heat with a space heater. Then, the wind died down, and the heat kept up fine on its own. Wind matters.
As always a great video.
Family ticket, allows three or more in. Can there be a mass vist from same-sex parent familes?
Question from the UK. School trips here may visit Westminster abby York minster, Hindu temple, historic or multicultural sites, would AA stop visits to st Pat's New York or Mormon temple salt lake city?
Mr Helton lives between a dry dock and a dumb place.
Ray Comfort is the poster boy for Evolution. At 28:35. Quite simian looking, no?
-6C? That's 21F!
Time to put on a jacket, not just a pullover when going outside, no big deal.
For those with really cold disposition or in case of assed wind chill, use a beanie and some gloves too.
And remember... winter... goddidit, I guess?
I'm sad I'm not on the patreon list anymore. Can you open a subscribestar account?
I thought subscribestar had issues... I'll have to check it again. I am on PayPal directly (see link in description), if that helps.
-6 C? That's a warm, balmy day for February. Ken, you're a wuzz!
Okay. When do we get passports for this Secular World?
Its a bit like West World.Its a park were education and health are available for free.
Robert Payne so the UK and Australia. (Some uni fees but not like the US). Cost of my degree in Sydney 20 years ago. The cost of textbooks. Been free medical 1.5% tax surcharge) for 40 years. In UK now. Still free medical.
Robert Payne and NZ canada. Probably left our a lot
@@agrippa71 umm... america, number 1? ... yeah, dipshit conservatives in america think college is for 'elites' ... which is bad, but only in this specific case i guess? Conservatives are fucking morons without logic... they think schools make you stupid, the government kills you, patriots kill Americans for tax breaks and profits for big businesses, and globalism is bad... cuz i guess never having a war ever again is bad? These backwards morons need put out of their misery. Thinking must be painful for them... but they sure as hell don't represent america, just the thieves that stole the government without winning an election for 20 years.
I'm so sad Ken Ham is an Australian but I'm not surprised he moved to America, and I can guarantee if the American Atheists had a park (e.g. like The Satanic Temple HQ in Salem) Ken Ham would be fighting it.
Incidentally if American conservatives tell you that it's the extreme Left wing protesters like antifa that are the most violent show them this: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#/media/File%3AMurders_by_extremist_ideology_US.png
*MAY THE FARCE BE WITH YOU!*
As some Americans like to hid behind a wall of ego and cognitive dissonance I've comprised this list of factoids:
WW3 Cold War
WW4 War against Terror
*WW5 USA vs China - Don’t be the victim!*
The American national motto of "shoot first, ask questions later" is no way to live life.
If you think today’s kids are hopeless, the next generation is so screwed!
Something's gotta give!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Liveability_Ranking Nope, not an American city anywhere to be seen!
"The United States of America is the top country by burglary in the world." At least four times other countries: knoema.com/atlas/topics/Crime-Statistics/Burglary-Car-Theft-and-Housebreaking/Burglary.
2nd highest country in the world for robbery. knoema.com/atlas/topics/Crime-Statistics/Assaults-Kidnapping-Robbery-Sexual-Rape/Robbery
The USA has the highest homicide rate for a western country. 6th highest in the world: knoema.com/atlas/topics/Crime-Statistics/Homicides/Homicides
Here's a stat for ya: www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/17/lisa-bloom/americans-are-20-times-likely-die-gun-violence-cit/
Mass shooting everyday, well that's gotta suck: www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
The USA still hasn't ratified women's rights or the Kyoto protocol, something even 3rd world countries have recognised the importance of. www.equalrightsamendment.org/era-ratification-map/ , worldat1c.org/a-brief-history-of-the-united-states-and-the-un-climate-change-negotiations-bf7525d4ef13
The USA has the world's largest national debt, more than three times even China with a billion people more: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
The USA is the second most polluted country in the world, it doesn't look good: www.activesustainability.com/environment/top-5-most-polluting-countries/
The USA has extraordinary high income inequality: ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/inequality-of-incomes-before-and-after-taxes-and-transfers.png
Half the population of the USA are so poor they live week to week in a nation full of private schools and hospitals no one can afford: www.commondreams.org/views/2017/10/16/yes-half-americans-are-or-near-poverty-heres-more-evidence#
The USA has the world highest prison population: www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All
The USA is crony capitalist capital of the world with a crony capitalist game show president Trump, who despite his family's money sending him to the finest economic school he still went so bankrupt the banks were forced to bail him out otherwise his debt would of sent them all down.
Despite the American president and American citizens describing the rest of the world as a "shithole", I'm glad I don't live in the USA. However I'm not so ignorant and self righteous to assume my country doesn't have serious problems, and for the time being there are nicer places to live. However each to their own.
American culture is too dumb to realise you can't fight your way out of every situation, it just makes it worse...
The USA just makes the same rookie mistake again, and again, and again.
If unfortunately America was wiped out in a violent asteroid shower, the world wouldn't miss America as much as Americans think the world would. America is a very young country, and still has a lot to learn.
During Trump's electoral camp I predicted that the only thing "great" Trump would make America, is greater ignorance and corruption. America 2019 is proving my point! It's like a deer in headlights!
IMHO the world will see the wall as more uncalled for American mindless hostility and another target and sign of American weakness. Americans think they are untouchable, but it's not true!
Americans speak of freedom, but they are too cowardly to die for justice!
What's the point in having cake if you can't eat it?
But once you eat it, you don't have it anymore.
How's this: "cherishing your cake and savoring it, too"
Ken, I know you're not from over here, but we have this little "constitution" thingie...