Porsche Cayman S vs Corvette Z06 vs BMW Z4M // $30,000 Question
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There are very few options for new affordable sports cars on the market today, and first in the conversation is often the Subaru BRZ / GR86. But if you look to the used market, more options become available. This includes the sharp, S54 engined BMW Z4 M, the flat-six Porsche Cayman S 986.2, and the C6 Z06 Corvette with a whopping 7.0 L V8. But why should you choose one over the other? And just how much bravery is required if you decide to go the used route over something new and warrantied like the Subaru? Thomas and James are excited to spend some time with each car and see what they have to offer. We hope you enjoy the episode. Subscribe!
Huge thank you to our Throttle House subscribers for making their cars available to us!
To @nv3rlift for loaning us their Z4M
To @dtq.25 for loaning us their Cayman S
And to @brahmjot_26 for loaning us their C6 Z06
Videography: Karston Chong and Daniel Mason
Editing: Kartson Chong
Sound: Harrison Dickson, Karston Chong
Magical Genius Logistics Planners: James Engelsman and Joey Alford
Was present: Thomas Holland
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james is always ready to include a mx-5 in the mix, you have to respect it
That's because every true car guy knows... whatever the question... Miata is always the answer.
I’m with him. I too have an Mx5!
Hard beat a Miata I’ve owned over 100 cars still come back to it gravity is real
Miata is a natural competitor to a 7 liter V8
Personally, I choose an MX-5 RF. I agree.
I’d go C6 Z06+ Recaro Sportster seats, nice coilovers, heads and cam and R888R tires.
A man of culture!
That’s exactly what I did
This is the answer. Buy the z06, upgrade the bits needed, and it'll stomp the other 2 for far less than you'd need to put into those.
@@Jay-zx1sgits not all about power didint you understand that already
@@Jay-zx1sgthe zo6 will run for ever to
I have owned a C6 Z06 since 2019. I have driven it for more than 50,000 miles. And I have had a grin on my face for every single one of them. What an amazing car. Thanks for the great video!
its my dream car!!
Currently building my house and once it’s done the wife has already been notified that a c6 z06 will be in the garage
@@jacobgardner3101 shoulda waited till after the 2024 eletion year, we are.... be smart.
@@geominewalker6065 my house isn’t going to be done for at least a year (building it myself) the corvette is a few years out lol.
@@jacobgardner3101 smart ! 🤙🤙🤙🤙
I need whatever 30,000$ you guys got, cause aint no way 😭
Ikr 😂
marketplace 💀
All the vehicles you see in this video (which are in pristine condition) were purchased for 30-35k USD by their owners.
You can easily find a cayman S in the 20-30k USD range with 60-90k miles in desirable colors.
@@ThrottleHouseIf u guys are in Britain plz review some nice cars like astons, Paganis, Ferraris,McLarens,bentleys etc (exclusive limited edition cars)
The Z06 is an absolutely amazing deal. It was always known that interior was meh but no one ever doubted its quick and a drivers car.
It's remarkably easy to tune out complaints about an interior with an LS7
Doesn’t sound like it’s A good drivers car 😂
@@nikomoin7604It is. A visceral experience. You feel and hear the clutch chatter and the drivetrain. You know exactly what’s going on. You won’t know know until you drive one. It’s like what James says towards the end, “I get it”.
@@ABoringToolAs a previous owner, it really is. I put a new touchscreen and I was content. Also, they’re great on gas since you can lug them so easily with all the torque turning 1400 rpm on the highway.
@@wg5331 You won't know it isn't until you drive a REAL drivers car. James gets it, and it's a visceral experience. But it is not a drivers car.
leaf springs? No, single transverse composite spring front and rear, this allows lowering the car with a socket and ratchet, also works like a large sway bar and reduces vehicle weight and unsprung weight. Genius actually.
It really is. I love the transverse spring double-wishbone setup. On the higher-speed tracks, I can dial in more rake for stability in like 3 minutes. It's nothing like the leaf springs on a pickup.
Dual purpose and reduces weight. Those composite leaf springs are very Colin Chapman-esque. 😎
They put it down but it’s actually a great idea.
That post nut clarity line killed 😂
Brilliant
can any man with kind heart explains this to a non native speaker what it means? thx
@@mcmitonet8032 post nut clarity is when you get a clear mind after you ummm nut
@@mcmitonet8032unfortunately, the answer to your question is "no".
@@mcmitonet8032 Hell, I am a native speaker... Can anyone tell me what this mean?
I'm a Porsche guy but you can't deny the Z06 being a pretty amazing machine and it has aged well.
Same. Currently own a 981S and love it. Never craved a corvette but can’t deny that straight line power. But I value the track experience and handling over enormous horsepower. I was excited to try the new mid engine corvette but I’m a big dude and the cabin was too small. They need to redo that ridiculous center console that takes up so much room in the cabin.
@@bmcallister1974 you need to once in your life drive a c6 Z06 on a track especially if you can find a z07 package. The Z is no joke ran the same time as a 997 gt3 around the nurburgring with only a slight power to weight ratio.
@@bmcallister1974that Z06 destroyed that Cayman around the Nurburgring…
People claiming Corvettes don’t handle well are just regurgitating trash they hear because they think it makes them sound cool.
@@m0b00styou see how they failed to mention it's double wishbone suspension all around? But they say it can't handle. Practically the only car reviewers to ever say that.
I fell in love with the stingray at the ripe old oge of 6, but then our dad brought home a 911, and I completeforgot about the stingray. I'd been pining for a Porsche ever since, but today is a brand new day, and I am seriously reconsidering my abandonment of the corvette lineup. The Z06 seems to be stirring up quite a buzz these days. I've maintained a longstanding fear of the stigma that comes along with an aging corvette owner, envisioning myself looking something akin to Stanley in the movie Friday. Then, I caught my reflection on a window on my way to work one morning, and realized it's already happened. Pink polo, mocassins, khaki shorts...FML. Hold my N/A beer!
You guys are rapidly becoming the undisputed best car channel on RUclips, without question.
In all honestly it isn’t undisputed. Hagerty id argue are a superior channel
@@aguiii_films I respect your opinion but Throttle house is consistently getting over double the views as Hagarty so I do believe that puts you in the minority
Throttle house is absolutely the best IMO. James is hilarious and Thomas can drive. Great production too, high quality without overdoing it like the old top gear
I agree, Jason Cammisa is also great, how about Carwow ?
@@aymanekhezzar1591 I dislike Carwow. Full of ads and all they do is talk onto nothing until 7 minutes have passed which is when the actual info is put and the race begins. Boring and a lot of skipping. Naturally they are the biggest channel and thus have more budget for insane matchups
"I'm not a pervert....." cuts to ad. Perfect timing 🤣🤣🤣
That happened to me too!
Yeah same lol youtube timed this super well xd
@@deathgaming3086 use adblock lads
I got "did you just put oil in my mouth" then Comercial 😂
@@deathgaming3086 Creators can place ads lol
As a current BMW owner, and former Corvette owner, I can not overemphasize how important the tires are to the Corvette. I had a C5 Vette with stock runflats and about 20k miles on the odometer, and they were terrible, the car slipped and slided all over the place. For a time I believed all the people that trashed Corvettes for not being able to turn, and in the rain the thing was nearly undriveable. Then, one day, I decided to get some new tires, even though the stock ones still looked brand new. I got the best summer tires you could buy at the time - and it was a totally new car. The car suddenly had remarkable cornering ability, in the rain it just stuck to the road - it was truly an amazing difference. Having owned several BMW 4-series now, two optioned out with the M-sport package, etc - I can say the BMW handles better and is much more precise - but in terms of raw cornering ability, the Corvette would likely come out on top. It's really a different feeling, just depends on what you like - the BMW is much more surgical, in traffic I like in traffic how the car just does whatever you want and is exactly where you want it. The Corvette, meanwhile, was much more fun, but required more attention for sure. I will certainly agree that BMW has much better interiors, much better leather, etc. The Corvette meanwhile is competing at a much lower price for the amount of engine you're getting.
The m3 and m4 is a different story. The e46 chassis is perfect.
@@johnfurey3593 I'm aware, I've test drove one. I was talking about precision vs raw cornering ability. Also the C6 handled better than the C5. I was talking more in generalities - but I'm sure you've put tens of thousands of miles on each as well, right, so you speak from experience. Oh wait.
As a C6 Z06 owner, I completely agree with you. Going from the stock Goodyear runflats to non-runflat PS4s was night and day. GM made terrible choice for OEM tires.
I'd be surprised if a Corvette didn't handle better than a 4 Series, given that the 4 Series is based off a fairly flat sedan, they're not really set up for sporty driving these days.
Any car will benefit the same way from a good set of tires. Put the same tires on the bmw and you’ll experience the same charm
Finally! A reviewer who "gets" the M suspension setup in the Z4M and doesn't rave about it being too hard. It does what a sports car should do, handle brilliantly. M Division aren't stupid. They set this car up for spirited open road driving, not cruising the rough city streets.
False choice. Some sports cars can handle brilliantly without hammering the driver at the same time. One of these three will do that.
It is not a great suspension, it is also a rather „safe“ setup. Especially if you experienced a good setup with a K&W v3 or something similar. The steering becomes more precise and the car feels more planted as well as comfortable.
The M Coupe is special. Revs to 8k, looks like a classic sports car bangleified, and is pretty rare. Been driving mine for 10 years and still love it so much.
People don't understand how good they are.
@@johnfurey3593people just don't like it lol
I had the 3.0si version and absolutely loved it as a daily driver. Also, was remarkably reliable and I loved that it basically didn't have any electronics or screens that quickly look outdated
@@surfsoccer101 yes exactly. Mine doesn’t have the nav screen which really dates the car I think.
@@johnfurey3593Because they're kind of not. These were often seen at a shop next to the one I worked at.
The Z06 is the only car that has ever startled me on the highway. The sound it makes is incredible.
The C6 Z06 ran a 7:33 at the Nurburgring!?!? I'm still flabbergasted at your all's take on C6 Z06!? Am I missing something here?
Dont be fooled. They know how
Good this car is. They have to
Play the Euro groupie game.
@WindyCity1992 yeah, they didn't use to be biased until they blew up. Now it's BMW this, BMW that, Audi this Audi that, Porsche Porsche. Screw everything else 😆
Can we give a shout-out to the BMW owner. That is the cleanest most pristine interior I’ve seen in a long time.
Thank you!
WTF are you talking, dude??
A car should be that "pristine". It's totally NORMAL.
Here in Germany cars usually have a clean interior.
What's the matter with Americans, who are literally shitting in their cars...? Little piggies.....
C6 ZO6 was probably the most underappreciated performance car in the world when it came out.
But... but leaf springs? WTF, GM.
It was not underappreciated. Even Top Gear’s Jeremy Clarkson had huge respect for its performance.
@@TheJohn8765 Not the same leaf springs you'd see on a truck with solid axles, John.
Y'all just love to rag about “muh leaf springs” without actually taking a look at what's in there.
Yeah you should complain to gm’s r&d department and tell them how you know better. People read “leaf springs” and automatically jump to = bad
No, no it wasn't. It was very much appreciated and in every magazine multiple times.
I own the first Z4MC registered to a consumer in Canada. June 30th, 2006. Got it off a rail car. Many modifications but still have all the original parts. Still puts a smile on my face. Looked at getting a Cayman S but frankly you don't get taken seriously in a Porsche Dealership wearing jeans and a ball cap. The Car in your video has some subtle modifications including a Strut Tower Brace (completely unnecessary in this car but looks cool), a rear carbon spoiler and a shorter weighted ZHP shift knob from what I can see. Yes the drink holders suck. Thanks for the great video; appreciate it and subscribed.
As a Porsche fanboy, the Corvette ZO6 wins this. Its a lotta car for $30k.
Of course it's a lot of car for $30k because it really cost $40k
Z06 cost 40-55k 😂 , $30k with 150,000 miles 😂
It's a lot of engine, not a lot of car
None for sale in the US for under $42k.
But I like turns… 😢
Balsa wood served the RAF just fine in WW2. Also theres a big difference between truck leaf springs and the corvettes transverse composite leaf springs, which were developed over generations since the C2 corvette. Lap times showed the C6 Z06 and ZR1 to be world beaters. They're also phenomenal drivers cars.
Agreed. $450 Bilstein B8s and Michelin Pilot Sports transform the car.
Truck and oxcart leaf spring suspension have nothing in common with the C6's double wishbone suspension that used composite leaf springs for packaging. Balsa wood is used in a sandwich of two pieces of fiberglass (carbon fiber in the C7) because that combination is light, strong, and gave it the desired characteristics.
Absolutely. They killed other cars on the track.
@@rapid13 vette I believe would be in a totally different league. Would kill the other 2 cars
The moment people start insulting corvette leaf springs as old fashioned, you immediately know they are ignorant.
I recently picked up a 2007 BMW M Coupe with 38k miles. It's so much fun to drive. Very different than my e46 m3, despite sharing many parts. It is very much the spiritual predecessor to the current generation Supra. If you see one in good condition snatch it up. You won't be sorry.
It's wild how many younger video creators are getting C6s these days. Ten or so years ago I read that used C6s were hard to find (at used car prices) because the Corvette was the dream car for many people who were young back in the 70s but a new 'Vette was a bit out of reach financially, so in the late 2000s when those people were retiring they decided to live out their dreams and get a new C6. What they didn't realize was that in their younger days automakers weren't exactly truthful about the power their cars were putting out, so they thought 1970s 400HP was the same as 2000s 400HP. They quickly discovered that a new C6 was brutally fast compared to what they thought they were getting, so not wanting to end up in a hospital kept the C6 in the garage. Now - for reasons I don't care to guess at - these cars are finally being re-sold in terrific condition and with low miles.
I'm not even a Corvette guy but I love that these cars which were mostly not being driven are now getting a second chance with younger people who really enjoy them.
Makes me want to buy one! But about that house thing…
Got my first corvette at 19 and now I’m at my second one. Going to cam and sc mine
It’s Goldwing-ism in car form
Very true! Bought my C6 at 23! It’s been an absolute dream learning the ins and outs of the car. It makes me smile every time I see it.
Thomas will never escape the Miata 😂😂
They keep saying that it is the answer.
Gay
@@DuvJonesthe answer to being gay…
@@JacesOwnWorldGTI driver, you should know something about gayness 🫵😂😂😂
@@CaptainFordo21😂😂
Z06 is by far the best looking car here. I really can't understand people thinking otherwise.
I own a C6 Z and also looked at the Porsche among other cars when i bought my Vette back in 2012. I think you guys are being a little harsh on the Vette. The floorboard is actually carbon fiber, but some balsa wood is used in between the carbon layers to keep weight down. The leaf spring design is also not what many people think. Its a single transverse mounted composite leaf spring that was used to get rid of un-sprung weight and keep the center of gravity lower. People often think these design elements were cost cutting measures, but they in fact are the opposite. They were more expensive design elements incorporated for the sake of performance.
Yes. One of the huge advantages of owning this car. It’s a featherweight with a 427.
Leaf springs and turning just don’t match. We now cus there’s plenty of examples of this car spinning out on line going back years. Soooo like I’m sure you can get used to this Benton most roads, but like example, where I live above Napa the roads are full of crest over turns that cause traction moments a vette couldn’t handle well. I want to know the car and I can dance through turns. Cus there’s trees and cliffs if you fuck it up round here. Great car just not a good fit if you like tight turns that have fun uneven crest over tight turns.
@@LafemmebearMusicare you dumb? You know the C6Z in its time was faster than a GT3 around a track right? A Carrera GT TOO & many other supercars. Lol
Lol. You drank the Kool aide. No one uses leaf springs because they are inferior. Not advanced. Not a single Corvette race car retains it's leaf suspension.
The z06 did run a 7:22 at nurburg.. which is still faster than most high end / supercars today.
They are a super good auto cross car too
The car has a lot of carbon fiber built throughout it
What im gathering is the Corvette held its value quite well and has a pushrod v8
The C6 ZR1 is my dream vette. Legitimately cool. The code name for the project was blue devil! It was the only car I could think of competing with super cars and OUT COMPETING THEM Inna straight linen
@@NightfurySkrill_Joelyou wont be disappointed they are AMAZING cars
I don't think my abilities would match the cars but I'd love to have a ZR1 from that era.
@@richardmorris7063Just get a C6 face-lift base model. It'd still be over 400hp/tq and a great manual, plus they're mid 20k all day. Likely to be my next car.
And get 25+ mpg
This was exact price point I was shopping at in 2022. It was down to ND Miata, used 2015 WRX or 2006ish Cayman. Thankfully for me the 2nd gen Twins dropped so it came down to BRZ or Cayman. Although I dreamed of a Cayman and it felt faster, I still drove home the new BRZ. Basically warranty or upkeep costs that aren’t insignificant for a Porsche. Two years later and I’m still overjoyed with the BRZ.
Good luck finding a C6Z in any sort of shape under 35-40K in USA.
Yup. 35-40k is a GS.
Really? I feel like 40k is the price I see the majority of the lower mile Z06’s going for. Been seeing them 30k miles going for 40k.
Its more c5 z06 territory around 30k
Just got on marketplace in Texas and found about 3
Red Z06 99k miles 34k . Texas CarGurus
I have both a 987.2 Cayman S and a Z4M, though that's a roadster. Very different experiences. They Cayman feels like it just plugs into my brain and the car disappears. The Z4M, on the other hand, makes me very aware that I am operating a wonderful machine.
Hey man that’s awesome. Curious to know if you concur with our impressions
Ive had both as well, this is pretty accurate. The Z4 M has a lot more personality, but the Porsche should objectively be better.
Im curious if just gearing the cayman lower would close the experience gap more.
Watching this video hurts me. My 987.2 cayman s got totaled when a lady just merged into my lane and crunched the front right fender. Sadly at the time it was not worth what they are now. Damn I miss that car
Having also owned both, the Z4 has far shorter gearing, which makes it way more fun for me. You never have to shift with the Cayman S.
I envy you, you get a new Skoda in India for 30k $ US, I don't care how expensive it is to maintain, I would buy a 718 or 911 if sold even close to 80k$ in the used market
Idk how you found a C6Z for $30k but it’s the best option, hands down. I wouldn’t want to maintain the other 2!
As a former BMW Z4 M Coupe owner, I cannot agree more wholeheartedly. One thing the car benefited greatly from was a switch to more updated, progressive tires. Michelin PS4's transform this cars sometimes spiky oversteery tendencies into beautiful, manageable drifts. Mine also had an S54 CSL carbon airbox and ram air grille ducts, which brought a more guttural intake bark to counter the sometimes "chain saw" rip of the S54 exhaust. Gosh I miss that car.
What did you move to?
@@TonyG-z4I moved to a McLaren 570S Spider, which is an incredible car too. I wish I could have kept every car I’ve owned.
“The other two are corollas compared to this” 😂
The GR Rollas? Dang!!
I agree. Tbh i would not even considered putting those other 2 against a Z06.
More like a solstice GXP instead 😅.
It’s hard to nail down specific predictions for the housing market is because it’s not yet clear how quickly or how much the Federal Reserve can bring down inflation and borrowing costs without tanking buyer demand for everything from homes to cars.
A lot of folks have been going on about the bull rally and said stocks that would be experiencing significant growth, any idea which stocks this may be? I just sold my home in the Boca Grande area and I’m looking to remunerate a lump sum into the stock market before stocks rebound, is this a good time to buy or no?
Such market uncertainties are the reason I don’t base my market judgements and decisions on rumours and here-says, got the best of me 2022 and had me holding worthless position in the market, I had to revamp my entire portfolio through the aid of a planner, before I started seeing any significant results happens in my portfolio, been using the same advisor and I’ve scaled up 750k within 2 years, whether a bullish or down market, both makes for good profit, it all depends on where you’re looking.
I will be happy getting a guide and glad to get the help of one, but just how can one spot a reputable one?
Jennifer Mackimm Wesley is the licensed fiduciary I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment.
I'm intrigued to know more about the kind of advice Jennifer Mackimm provides?
It's funny with the Z06 'Vette. It feels like it can't do the turns, but it absolutely can if you have big enough balls. It's got over 1g of cornering grip, but please don't wrap it around a tree 😅.
A lot of people think these 'vettes can't handle the corners but its really because they're carrying a lot more speed than others.
@@Samosayummyyaystock z06’s put up faster lap times than its counter parts 💀
People are totally clueless how well a C6 Z06 corners. The only car that’s out cornered mine were Porsche GT3’s.
I like turns. Leave springs aren’t meant for fast turns… so no it can’t and has nothing to do with genitalia weirdo
@@Danlovestriviumleaf suspension is not meant for turning.
This video made my day. As an x Imola Red Z4MC owner (sold 16 years ago) I'd take one back any day over any $30k car. Whenever i hear someone say their favorite car is an E46 M3, I say it's because they've never driven a Z4MC.
I'm A Vette guy but the E46M3 is by far my favorite BMW & I don't care what is better. The Z4 is just not my style. Just like that Z06, there's better cars but in a perfect World is have a C6 ZR1 & A M3 E46 manual ,convertible.
Ya those people aren’t thinking. The Z4MC is lighter, better looking, and more rare than the e46 m3
@JStryker7 I get it that looks are subjective and the M3 gets extra seats etc. but the Z4MC is rare and not many had the chance to experience it. Even someone like Thomas said it's his first time...
The e46 is a pos
I just bought an Imola Red Z4M Coupe. The odds are pretty good…..
I’d get the Corvette Z06 without hesitation! That 7 liter V8 is so badass!!!
“Ditch the idea of ever owning a home” too real Thomas😅
It's a little sour coming from someone who does own their home, but yknow
@@Mealsandwheels3.5m subscribers, id hope you can buy a home from that
The Z4M Coupe is so timeless. It looks by far the best. Even if the S54 isn't for me the best BMW engine, its still great.
OK Gentlemen, that was a fun review. I have owned 8 Corvettes from a 1964 i bought in 1966 365 HP 4 speed that at 140 felt like an poor airplane. To my my current 2014 Z51. And was able to drive a nice M3 and a 911 Carrera over the years. Your bare bones assessment is right. BUT, we here in American have been unshackled from drive what you bought. We change our cars. We have a community of aftermarket parts to help our factory products. And we are not so afraid of getting greasy fingernails to dig in and make the changes ourselves. So like a 64 i owned had 468 Cu In Blown Big Block that could cover the quarter mile in under 10 seconds. Or the 81 I owned with a Vortech Supercharger, 4 speed OD Auto and AC with CD changer beat everything and got 25 MPG highway. The 98 LS1 with 140,000 miles stick, 3.73 gear and intercooled Supercharger had 525HP yes it would NOT turn nicely. But you laugh at the Z06, My 2007 White Z06 was a dream. It had the power but it needed better Shocks, so added QA1 adjustable shocks and retuned the engine for more low end torque and it was a beast, that would lose traction in 3rd gear. It required full attention to make good turns, But frankly America is so big we can go straight for thousands of miles. Now take either of your three cars to a shop and price out routine maintenance. One thing I learned to do was get the oil analyzed. In my 2007 Z06, we had a few PPMs of titanium on the first oil change. At 20,000 miles I had hundreds of PPM Titanium. I paid to have the heads pulled and took the heads to GM and they spent $7,000 replacing them. Yes the guide were made wrong but GM fixed it and the car lived without eating any valves. Its true what you say about Corvette and roll your eyes interior, turning, etc. But, we can change it easily, we can afford the potential and in the end we can configure what we want. You would not want to pay for a new engine in any of the 3 cars you tested. But, like my 98 I pulled the engine, rebuilt it, supercharged it, upgraded the clutch and rear end, added Oil coolers and better shocks in my 2 car garage by myself without selling my wife or getting a second mortgage. I wonder the ratio of GM to Porsche to BMW in Australia??
RUclips decided to put an ad right after James said "I'm not a pervert, but.......". Brilliant 🤣🤣🤣
Yall got ads?
@RYTF5 to tight to buy RUclips premium but they will constantly moan about getting ads! 🤦
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FYI Creators choose ad placement
@@CrusadeAgain they used to be RUclips for the past few years have been taking away that power or just putting ads in with or without the creators consent or input
The LS7 is phenomenal
I was concerned about the valve problems so I did some research. The consensus is this: buy a pair of aftermarket cylinder heads for $2000 and forget about it.
I couldn’t believe you could replace two cylinder heads for that money. So cheap! I paid $3000 for a single new cylinder head on my ancient 4-cylinder Alfa!
Naturally, in addition to solving the valve problems, aftermarket heads will get you more power too, as if the LS7 needs it. 😀
@@lebojayis this really all? I’m looking to buy one and was concerns about issues it might have down the line, but if that’s all to save the headache that’s amazing.
@@lebojay LS and pushrods in general are great when it comes to repairs. no other performance engines are as cheap. in the south you can find an old mechanic w a cigarette in mouth who can fix it up in an hour for cheap lol
@@lebojaysignificantly cheaper to have a shop put a set of guides in the stock heads. And while there are $2000 cylinder head options, they wont out perform the factory heads
@@Boosted97GTP^
That Z4M is perfectly optioned, with the carbon dash and no-nav! I had an '07 Z4M Coupe and I regret selling it. One day I'll have another!
I would take the Z06 all day everyday
That car w/ 36,000 miles would be mid 40s in Florida.
As long as your Driving in a straight line. You’ll have lots of fun
@@LafemmebearMusicthe corvette has more cornering grip than the bmw and porsche lol
@@LafemmebearMusic you’re way off base here
@@dominic7114 sandpaper grips better than all the cars but that's no fun to drive
The Z06 can corner just fine. The carbon fiber traverse leaf springs aren’t exactly the same thing as you find on trucks. You’re just being let down by the seats not holding you in place as snug as you’d like.
From what I could find online, max cornering g’s:
Z06 1.16
Cayman 1.06
Z4M Coupe .89
Right. Kinda disappointing how they explained it. It sounded like a Euro-biased video from Top Gear 2010. The leaf springs are more like a crossbow than a truck leaf springs. On a major track the zo6 is the much superior car with the right driver. I agree they aren't as easy to handle as the other two here but it does come out on top on the track.
@@DigitalSubsetBecause they want to be like Top Gear.
@@DigitalSubsetYeah bro everyone who was growing up at the time in the US remembers the z06's track time at the Ring. It was keeping pace with 997 GT3s with the proper setup (ie tires/pads/alignment). Just like the ZR1 video I find this highly biased against American cars. The C5 Z06 (C5.R was snacking on German cars on the international racing scene). It was already a world beater, and this was the sequel. Transverse composite leaf springs, titanium valves, composite panels. About 3100-3200lbs with 505hp and 7000k rpm redline. Then they talk about dropped valves but leave out the issues with 987.1 IMS bearing, and the S54 obviously not the best engine for longevity either. Balsa wood has also been used in other high end cars to save weight, but they're making it out like this is the same as an 18th century frigate. Savagegeese has a much better and thorough review of the C6 Z06, casting it in a much more fair light.
Vette performs fine in the corners, i think they are referring to the feel, which I agree, in comparison to the other cars
@m1l3s27 someone didn't watch the video, this is a 987.2, it doesn't even have ims
Still driving my Z4M...don't think i'll ever sell it. Hard to come by cars like this anymore. The S54 requires a bit of maintenance to keep it running well but it's worth it. Add a 4.10 final and it wakes it up even more.
I had mine for 12 years, sold it last week, also never thought I would get rid of it but decided to move on.
Its also kind of crazy listening to Thomas dump on the Z06 for poor handling when it was beating the brakes off of all comers in hot lap comparisons in its day
The Z06 is incredibly capable on the track, but on the road mine never felt as confidence inspiring as my cayman. Its a bit vague. Its is a fantastic car though.
@AR-ld8qd i get that the feel might be poor but Thomas was complaining as if it had poor handling which is simply not true. I'm kind of tired hearing about transverse leaf springs. They work brilliantly for their intended puprose. This car in 2007 had MR shocks!
Because it had way more power not because it handled better lol.
I feel like he's talking about how the handling 'feels' rather than how fast it actually is
@@TheBajamin The G80 M3 CS has more power than the C6 Z06 and has paddle shift and thats still slower around Nurburgring? 🤔
2001, or 2002 BMW Z3M with the S54 Vs That Z4M with the S54, that would be a cool video. Always been a fan of this Era of BMW
The Corvette has plenty of trunk room to carry your regret
The cheapest 987.2 Cayman S manual is going to run you $40-$45k, if you can even find one.
Facts ! I have one and I wouldn’t sell it less than that. 2011 6 speed
I picked mine up during covid 09S 27.5k 98k miles 6 speed. They do sell around 30k with higher miles. Usually only 2-3 for sale though. It's at 109k miles now
Give me 40k and you can have it lol
I bought a 997.2 Carrera 4S 6-speed with all the good options (PSE, PASM, Chrono, stitching on dash, etc) with healthy 80k miles for $45k pre-pandemic. Just after that I was tempted to also get a 987.2 Boxster for which I saw several examples for around $20k. Now that's nearly doubled.
There are a few that have sold for under 30K on bring a trailer. Not sure where you are getting 40-45K from. Extremely clean low meilegae ones are in that range.
These are $30-35k US at this mileage all day.
He’s smoking crack about the Porsche shifter though. It’s rubbery and imprecise. Even upgrading to a Numeric setup can’t hide the transmission’s mediocrity. A Miata is better.
That Z4M coupe is one of the most beautiful cars to me. I absolutely adore them
And I love the license plate!
I'm guessing it's supposed to say 'NEVER LIFT'? :)
@@StreetPreacherr I didn’t notice it until the conclusion what a cool plate on such a cool car
@Ibnewell23
Agreed 💯👍
@@MuhammadUmar-hk9ki Makes it a PERFECT car to drive through the 'Follow Through' ;)
E89 Z4 looks better imo.
A simple coilover upgrade on the Z makes it punch even further above it's weight class, just so you know...2-3k and you've got a god killer suspension. A few more bucks for a heads/cam upgrade and they're nuts. I went with the C6 GS because I want to take the top out. A cam upgrade gets you the same Z06 hp and dry sump oiling, but the you have the open top experience too.
It annoys me when they say the Corvette has left springs implying it's a cart when those left springs are just the spring part of A-arm and multi link suspension. It's like saying an F1 car only has torsional springs.
Before you accuse me of being a Corvette fan boy I'm an E46 M3 owner.
It’s double wishbone with transverse leaf springs not multi link
and yeeeet, they're still leaf springs. Huge reason why a lot of owners go aftermarket if they intend on really driving it how it should be
@@yomansam4689 I mean the c6 zo6 has no problem being a proper track car winning nasa classes on basically stock suspension though. It's always been in line with other cars in the same model years for track times etc
@@Shiftheads well that’s because it’s an incredibly capable car. Not questioning that. But in situations like that, it comes down to the driver. You take Verstappen, slap him in a Z4 M and tell him to throw it around the Nurburgring and then turn around and do the same with the Z06, then yeah, you’ll have great results either way. You take a regular guy who is decently into cars and tell him to do the same thing, the predictability of the Z4M will likely present better results.
Same reason regular people struggle and are even scared to drive vipers, but they have no issues driving, say, an R8 which is around the same power yet both cars are equally as capable
@@yomansam4689 Average guy doing 7/10s in the Vette will still run faster laps than the same guy trying to push 9/10 in the other. The gap is massive and punters are going to go slow in corners no matter what, which means the Vette's power will have a bigger impact on lap times.
Z4M Coupe is my choice.
The C6 Z06 set great track times when it was released and still competes today. Just look at the Top Gear lap board and what it beat. It ran 7:22’s at the Ring in its day. Put seats and r compounds on it like today’s cars and the game changes. The comments about lack of track ability are bizarre. The leaf spring comments discredited the entire review. It’s not a finesse car, but it wins races. The other cars are newbie driver friendly and make you feel fast. Feeling fast doesn’t win races.
BMW Z4 M Coupe is a dream car of mine. I think they're so beautiful, although every car in the video is pretty much badass.
I love that even when James is doing the intro, he includes the, "...and I'm" before saying his name, as if its absolutely engrained in his head that he always says his name after Thomas.
ZO6 just went up another $15k
320hp doesn’t sound d like much? Really? It sounds like plenty for a good time. 🤷🏼♂️
Especially with that powercurve, it would be sad if it was so powerful that you never saw the last 2000rpm. Clearly one of the best toys bmw ever made
Oh for sure. It is the power loser of the three here though!
@@jamesengelsman9369 right. Save for the BRZ I guess. Still 100 more. But smiles all around for any of these. Even the Miata! 😀
You could get the Z4 Coupe (E86) in its "base" variant for almost have that price. And that N52 3.0si engine is no slouch either (not to be confused with the M52 3.0 of the earlier roadsters). With 265hp not as powerful as the S54 but actually the more modern engine with hollow camshafts and fully variable valve timing.
Needless to say, I loved mine to bits for all the 120.000 km I drove it ;)
N52 is way more cool than most people understand. It's a very technically advanced engine.
I must concur completely. I too have a 2006 Z4 3.0 coupe, a jdm version (rhd) up here in Vancouver and it's spectacular! 265hp is nothing these days, but I've never been in a situation where I've felt it was lacking or 'slow'. It's just a visceral hoot and the gearing is optimum at really showcasing the brilliant N52B30. A fair bit lighter than the Z4M engine (magnesium block, I believe?) - it's better balanced and on paper, less than 1 second slower to 60. Bonus - a lot less maintenance on these! Typical/normal cooling system and suspension fixes that will eventually need doing (Amy bmw guy knows this) and eventually the oil leaks to be tended to. But the engines are near bulletproof. I even got 36 (Cdn) mpg on a highway run to LA last year doing 'sprightly' speeds all the way! I was stunned. Even city driving is decent, getting around 22-24 in the city. I also love that up in Canada these aren't officially sold here. Although oddly enough they do sell the Z4M?! So when the 18 months I've had mine I have seen one other one on the road and that was also imported from Japan. As much as I love the M, and I do! - the 3.0si coupe is 80% the thrill at 60% the price!
yep, my '07 is an absolute joy on a winding country road.
definitely a no-regrets bargain sportscar.
@@mediocreman2 Yep, it's technically a very, very nice bit of kit. To use, it's a bit disappointing. I bought an E85 3.0si a few months ago, just for a bit of fun and honestly the engine is a bit of a let down. It's not bad by any means. But it doesn't sound that great and the Z is just a bit too heavy for it to really sparkle. In a car 200kg lighter it would rip, no doubt. They're stupid cheap in the UK, so still good value. But, say, a 986 Boxster is on a totally different level as a driver's car.
@@mediocreman2I was actually wanting an n52 over a 335i but couldn’t find a sport package spec lci one and got an n55. Magnesium block, valvetronic, and vanos is VERY impressive.
That edit/transition at 3:04 is sooooo clean!
I had all of them at the same time - the Z4M Coupe with a CSL airbox. So sound is the Z4M, raw speed is the Z06 and corners is the Porsche. But owning any of those three is a huge win for every driver. 👍🥰
First the Z4, now the Z4M, hell yeah
Man y'all missed out not having a 4.3l VH V8 Vantage in this lineup. They are supremely affordable right now, and proving they can handle gobs of reliable miles for people that like to really drive their cars. There's been no better time to consider one and they are incredibly capable, fun, and dare I say practical.
If you get a Z4 M, replace the transmission mounts with aftermarket ones, the 1-2 shift issue on those is caused by the transmission physically moving under torque and is improved if you replace the mounts so it can't do that.
I did this comparison couple years back. Depending on your sportscar needs. That C6Z is basically in another category but based on price to performance ratio. It's top bang for the buck! Just attend any track day or lapping events.
I won't bother beating around the bush... no need for me to test drive all of the cars in this trio because the Z06 is the winner by default, imo. To ME, it's the best looking, sounds great, handles well and goes fast. There's also a lot to be said for owning the same car and platform that has an AMAZING racing legacy in the GT1 and GT2 classes which includes victories at the 24 Hours of Le Mans. For me, the Bimmer and Porsche in this lineup doesn't even compare.
At any rate, I highly, HIGHLY enjoyed this video! Thomas and James always deliver excellent automotive content, even when they review vehicles I may not care too much for. Great video, guys.
33:14 the post nut clarity joke was awesome 😂😂😂😂
Porsche is Porsche but That LS7 is the definition of Torque..
Corvette Z06 for me!
Z06 any-day. Such an incredible car and weight to power ratio is fantastic...
Z4 doesn’t get enough cred. Also yes 1-2 shifts are wonky in many BMWs
5:27 When your dog starts jumping up on your guests.
NGL that part did get me going a bit.
all im going to say is, its also the owners fault for not training the dog and the guests fault for not learning to command the stop.
I’ve had my Z4m for more than 6 years and I have to agree.. It’s not going anywhere anytime soon 👍
Z4M for me, last BMW with the S54 engine, last 2 seater Coupe from BMW, super limited production and prices rising now and more so in the future
Twice featuring James’ MX-5 was subtly one of the best intros you’ve had! 😂
They will never be anything that can take the C6 Z06 from my heart
I remember reading a review back in the day about the Cayman S of that generation, where they wrote something along the lines of "all the Porsche one really would ever need"
On autotempest, the cheapest Z06 is $38k, while most are in the 40ks
Remember, that’s starting asking. You should be negotiating.
there’s one for 26k near me rn
@@Arithmophobiaoh sick
cleaner better spec lower mileage ones go for higher.
Wish I could give you two thumbs up. What you guys are doing is just amazing. Funny, informative and did I mention funny. Longest RUclips thing I’ve watched yet, but will watch it again. Thank you so much.
The C6 Z06 is my attainable dream car, but I'm going with a 2018 Camaro SS 1LE (largely because of this channel) because I'm 19 and can't afford Corvette maintenance/insurance. Hope videos like this don't put it out of reach for me.
Congrats! To be able to afford something like that at 19 you must be doing something right
Still a great choice, I had one and loved it.
Please be careful leaving cars n coffee, I couldn't handle that level of responsibility at 19 I hope you can.
I had a manual 2018 2SS (non 1LE) and that car was incredible. Even without the 1LE package, the handling was insane. Lots of power, so try not to let your 19year old brain get you into trouble. Also, the visibility is atrocious. Fantastic car though. I miss it
That gen of camaro is a much more modern than a C6 and gonna be much easier to drive than a Z06. Though still at 19 quite a first car lmao.
I own a 987.2 S in Peridot Metallic and it is my Goldilocks car...I've had two 911's, C5 Z06, Elise SC, Alfa 4C, XKR-S, 13' GT500, etc etc etc but something about the 987.2 Cayman, it's just special...Extremely solid, looks amazing (especially in Peridot), and is very fun/engaging to drive without beating you up. Great feedback through the wheel and my stock shifter feels great, no need to upgrade that right now. I did install the FVD Brombacher Stage 2 which is a tune, exhaust, and a BMC air filter. It really opened her up and the sound is incredible. Porsche slightly detuned the 9A1 engine in the stock Cayman S but you can fix that with a good tune and get 100% throttle body opening. Great car and very rare especially the last of the 987.2's in the 2012 year model. I've had the car for 2 years now with no issues. Maintenance is a breeze and there are 100's of DIY's online if you can turn a wrench. Highly recommend.
You mean Porsche "Caymaned" the Cayman? Say it ain't so!
I’ve got an FVD Brombacher Sound exhaust on my 981S and it sounds absolutely insane. I should put the tune on. I have the device, I’ve just never bothered flashing it.
Didn’t realize you could get the S in Peridot, since it’s so famous as an R color.
Putting my FVD exhaust on my 987.1 2.7L today! Can’t wait.
@@reidconti I hope you will flash it tonight and come back to tell me your thoughts. It made a very nice difference all around and especially in low speed driving when you are pulling away with the clutch its much smoother now. The car just rips now and I 100% agree the FVD Brombacher sound edition exhaust is amazing I get compliments everywhere on it.
@@Shredcheddar OH man you are in for a treat, the FVD exhaust is amazing. You'll see soon enough. But it will sound even better after a couple hundred miles and she starts to break in. Good catch on the Peridot. It is indeed the launch color of the 2012 Cayman R...Story goes, apparently it was offered as an optional color for a short amount of time on accident on the Cayman build sheet and from what we can gather, 4 people bought one. There are 2 manuals and 2 PDK. I have one of the manuals, currently at 33,750 miles in pristine condition. Love this car!
The ZO6 is a super car for $30k. It a bona fide 200 mph supercar. You can talk all ish you want, neither the BMW or Porsche will see which way the corvette went in a straight line or the corners. I have driven them and the Z06 is in another league. I really like these guys but sometimes i think bias gets the better of their European sense abilities.
30k im going with the corvette no doubt
Ay yo, where are all the 30k Z06s yall are talking about?
Same goes for the 987.2 Cayman S at 30K.
Yea, it's more probably a z4M vs non-z06 c6, and 987.1 Cayman non-s.
I'm looking at low mileage Grand Sports for around 35$k, A Z06 is around 43-up w/ lower mileage in Florida.
@@richardmorris7063 send that link
@@richardmorris7063look outside Florida. Midwest/Tennessee area ask for a lot more reasonable prices for cars without stupid mods.
50/50 weight distribution, double wishbone, super wide tires with great traction, great neutral feel in the corners, INSANE track times for the era, brakes are great for the era, and the greatest American n.a. engine ever made (next to the C8 Z06). I don't follow what you all are saying. The C6 Z06 is in an ENTIRELY different universe compared to the others?! Thomas despises Corvettes, and TLX Type S's.
Pretty confident non of these are $30k unless with a few accidents and 4 owners
Very easily around 30k
That Z4M Coupe Is one of the most engaging driver's car of the 21st century. It dials all your senses up to 11... Even though the Coupe is the one to get.. The Z4M roadster may not look as cool, But they are more accessible and priced more reasonably in the used market.
I drove the Z3M roadster for an entire week, and Even though it was only the S52, it was absolutely fantastic!!!
One of the best pure sports out there.
I have a client that owns several Corvettes. He invites my coworker and I to drive a vette to shows and I always choose the '11 Z06 and the car is utterly amazing. As a builder of custom cars, the Z06 just has everything right and I don't think there's a better bang to buck ratio than a C6Z.
"You are watching Throttle House. And I'm James." C'mon. You can just say "I'm James" just this once!
I don't think you find any of these for $30k. I love each of them, I have a Cayman, though not as nice as that one. James is 100% right about the view in the wing mirrors.
valve spring issues, not valve guide. Not a huge difference when one inevitably drops. But, if you take care of it ahead of time springs are cheaper/easier to do than a valve guide. For anyone looking to buy in the future.
Poor James was crushed his little Miata wasn't in the mix! 🤣😂😅 Love you guys!
Post nut clarity was the best joke ever 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm probably being incredibly thick, but I don't get it.
@@bertieschoice216same…
In the airport watching this and I busted out laughing at post🥜😂😂.
I’ve had a Z4M for about 2 years now, same spec as this one and have been hoping you guys would cover it! Only mod so far has been RPI exhaust; it’s a German S2000 with more displacement and power. Quick in a straight but screams on a mountain road. Glad to see it getting love!
"don't be smart and buy a new car"
Ah yes. The famously reliable new BRZ. The car that blows itself up the moment it sees a racetrack and Toyota refuse to pay for it happening under warranty. Even if they paid for the track day for you
They are very reliable, if you track often you should be expecting to install an oil pan or accusump as you would with any other car. They are absolutely fine for the occasional track day as they are stock
I’m not a corvette guy, but for maintenance and potential. Out here is a smaller Texas town, I’d take the Corvette. Although I do love Porsche. If I had to leave them stock I’d go with the a Porsche though.
Haven’t watched it yet, but I owned a Z4M Coupe, and I loved it so much. Such a good car, so much fun on track, and it felt special. Loved it loved it loved it.
S54 is kinda scary though. Prices for parts have gone up!
Z4 Coupe is great, even the 3.0SI
The more videos like this that are made the more the prices go up for us to buy them. It’s a double edged sword
How do these two managed to make me like, and even want, a Z4 is flabbergasting.
I use to dislike the styling of this car very much and now I need one...
RUclipsrs seem to be so out of touch when it comes to vehicle pricing. Who the hell is obtaining these cars at these prices?!