"Kill" and "Murder" are two different words with two different meanings. I have to edit this post for some very short-sighted people. *Unless you:* 1. Eat live animals and/or plants and can somehow digest them without killing them - YOU KILL. or 2. Drive your car and can avoid smashing bugs on your windscreen - YOU KILL. Are those murder? you tell us, please.
Kill is kill whether its Murder or not its cruel period and could have found another way to correct things but did not for killing . it gives evidence to murdering killing Men but us the gentiles who usually don't murder get honestly nothing. Gullible fearing scared dishonest people are all we get for an answer is frustratingly rediculous.
Romans 14:20 [NLT] says, "Don't tear apart the work of god over what you eat. Rembert, all foods are acceptable, but it is wrong to eat something if it makes another person stumble.
No you cannot eat anything that’s why you get sick and unhealthy eating foods outside of the laws only heathens can eat anything because they are lawless if you are a descendent of the 12 tribes then you have rules and regulations to follow speak unto the children of Israel what do you think that’s about smh
@@ElGatoPardo693 Vegan plant Food has protection in it just like other living things in order to stay alive. this is why people get frustrated becoming sick eating foods they think is good. why we boil or fry foods to kill off the toxins within.
@@ElGatoPardo693 No. All food is acceptable at all times, but if I eat my friends donut knowing it's going to make him angry, and then he punches me, I am also to blame for the sin he committed as I knew he was going to be angry. Me eating that donut was acceptable, but it made my friend stumble and sin so it was wrong of me to do so. God Bless.
@@onlyyoucanstopevil9024Catholic is extremely flawed they believe the church makes the rules and decides who goes to heaven its not a good representation of Christianity
@@quojo5757 So it's easy. Only need a group of people to make society. Create judge who can legally judge by execution? Roles aren't given, they are created.
Yes but something had to make such a killing way wile it created it ! is still a strange way that it couldn't find another way to help sort it out but instead do the same thing Man has Judges naturally. its all way's man in control whether its in a book needs anecdotal spiritual Evidence in some way and not Mans way. for instance scriptures tells us never to trust man in one section or another.
@@ElGatoPardo693 Yes God gets so pissed off he even tells Moses to kill off all the baby boys and the soldiers are awarded all the little girls to own in private and do to them as they choose is shocking in the Book of NUMBERS 35: and through out LEVITICUS:
God executes justice however God chooses. God gave the reasons for the"genocide" and said clearly that if the Jews did the same things those nations did, they too will face same just and it did happen. So let God be God. With God there is no murder. because murder is only possible when death from earth means finality. if you command earth and life after earth, then murder is no longer murder. Hopefully the wise understand.
Its not murder because he is the creator, he brought you into the world, and he can take you out at any time. We as creations, are at the mercy of our creator.
@@Josephcantor-v5p You are in Gods world, either you follow Gods rules or you leave Gods world and you can go to satans world where the rules are "Do what thou wilt" and unfortunately for you, that also applies to the demons who hate you and want to torture you forever.
@@Call_Me_RioI mean if you misunderstand the Bible pal you misunderstand it not hard to admit & proceed to try & gain an understanding better aligned with the truth, there’s only one truth . Communal study the Bible advises & I say so we don’t fall victim to misunderstanding far off from scripture
@@FLBJOJO It’s not about understanding. There are some irreconcilable discrepancies in the Bible that people try to overcome by ginning up scenarios. Apologist can’t never admit to contradictions because why would a holy book have some? That’s my point. With the presupposition of innerancy, you tried to make something right that doesn’t need to be right. The Bible isn’t one cohesive book. There’s many bibles. I don’t understand though, if the Bible had discrepancies, that doesn’t debunk your religion. Y’all do say it was divinely inspired and not written by YHVH himself.
What skeptics fail to understand is, life and death to God is simple as a blink of an eye, he gives life and if he choses to take it, he does it. Everything is his property and he has all the rights in doing so. People are just mad because their hearts are rebellious, which refuses to accept they have no control of anything (Satan was like that too). Our rebellious heart believes we are entitled to everything good since our birth, while at the same time each individual existence is nothing compared to the macrocosm of creation. that is something few wants to admit it. The killings in the Old testament by Israel was God's command which is way different than people that murder someone for their own benefit.
No, they get mad at this because few people want to be utterly helpless before someone else (or many someones). People justify what God thinks and does according to whatever calculus... but we are not God, and God's reasons may not be things we would like or care about. So what does this do for us? And if all of this is so terribly odious to God, maybe It shouldn't have created us in the first place.
People like and value autonomy in every other context, yet somehow, when it comes to the most extreme sort of powerlessness (i.e. a supreme being existing that can do whatever it wants to us), they are cool with that. I don't get it. Unless I think of it as abstraction of a certain sort of ideal. Kinda like how people sometimes idolize someone they've never met.
@@MichaelWilliams-eq4kt Are you unable to grasp or speak on the concept of autonomy or something? I don't care about a story about a rebellious angel or whatever. We are not Satan. Nor are we God. I am interested in what it means to be human and also have a certain level of basic self determination - that is what I mean by "autonomy". Do you have any thoughts of your own on the matter?
@@wet-read "Are you unable to grasp or speak on the concept of autonomy or something? " Autonomy and self determination are two different things. "I don't care about a story about a rebellious angel or whatever." Many people don't care about things that directly impact them. That lack of care is irrelevant to the impact. "We are not Satan. Nor are we God." Yes. "I am interested in what it means to be human and also have a certain level of basic self determination - that is what I mean by "autonomy". Do you have any thoughts of your own on the matter?" Humans have their own thoughts on many topics but none of us are the originators of any of them. My thought is that what I wrote was prefaced with "a story about a rebellious angel" and concluded with an application that is directly relevant to what it means to be human. The destination of autonomy - the actual meaning of that word at least - is death. On the topic of self-determination, my thought is that you are free to choose your destiny but there are only two - autonomy or dependency. As with all my thoughts though, none of them originated with me.
Yes, 'killing' in English means to either 'justifiably take a life' or 'unjustifiably take a life' and is totally dependent on the context. However, we also have the word 'murder' which means to, 'unjustifiably take a human life'. In the language that the scriptures were written in, we actually have the understanding that the word used translates to murder. In light of this, and knowing that all humans God judged to death deserved it.... God never 'murdered ' or condoned it. In fact, sin made all humans guilty anyways.
@@quesochannOriginal sin made a propensity to error hereditary, but the guilt itself of the original sin wasn’t what was passed down. That pertained to Adam and Eve.
Leviticus 26:27-29 "27‘Yet, if in spite of this you do not obey Me, but walk in hostility against Me, 28then I will walk in wrathful hostility against you, and I, even I, will discipline you seven times for your sins. 29Further, you will eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters you will eat." Context punishment. Deuteronomy 28:53-57 "53Then you shall eat the offspring of your own body, the flesh of your sons and of your daughters whom Yahweh your God has given you, during the siege and the distress by which your enemy will oppress you. 54The man who is refined and very delicate among you shall be hostile toward his brother and toward the wife he cherishes and toward the rest of his children who remain, 55so that he will not give even one of them any of the flesh of his children which he will eat, since he has nothing else remaining, during the siege and the distress by which your enemy will oppress you in all your gates. 56The refined and delicate woman among you, who would not venture to set the sole of her foot on the ground for delicateness and refinement, shall be hostile toward the husband she cherishes and toward her son and daughter, 57and toward her afterbirth which issues from between her legs and toward her children whom she bears; for she will eat them secretly for lack of anything else, during the siege and the distress by which your enemy will oppress you in your gates." Context punishment. Isaiah 49:26 "26“I will feed those who mistreat you with their own flesh, And they will become drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine;" Context enemy nations. Ezekiel 5:9-10 "9And I will do among you what I have not done and the like of which I will never do again because of all your abominations. 10Therefore, fathers will eat their sons among you, and sons will eat their fathers; for I will execute judgments on you and scatter all your remnant to every wind." Context punishment. Jeremiah 19:7-9 "7I will empty out the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem to the point of destruction in this place, and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies and by the hand of those who seek their life; and I will give over their carcasses as food for the birds of the sky and the beasts of the earth. 8I will also make this city an object of horror and of hissing; everyone who passes by it will be horrified and hiss because of all its slaughtering. 9I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they will eat one another’s flesh in the siege and in the distress with which their enemies and those who seek their life will distress them.”" Another round of punishment. Isaiah 19:19-20 "19By the fury of Yahweh of hosts the land is burned up, And the people are like fuel for the fire; No man spares his brother. 20 They slice off what is on the right hand but still are hungry, And they eat what is on the left hand but they are not satisfied; Each of them eats the flesh of his own arm." Context anger against Israel. Lamentations 4:10 "10The hands of compassionate women Boiled their own children; They became food for them Because of the destruction of the daughter of my people." Another round of wrath here. 2 Kings 6:28-29 "28And the king said to her, “What is the matter with you?” And she said, “This woman said to me, ‘Give your son that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow.’ 29So we boiled my son and ate him; and I said to her on the next day, ‘Give your son, that we may eat him’; but she has hidden her son.”" Context siege.
Your putting up scripture of the Old testament also called the Jewish Torah, These are from the Mosiac Law and are not the teachings of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior who preached eternal forgiveness and Love of others more than yourself, but I'm pretty sure you know what your doing and you had to take it out of context to decieve people. If you have read everything you posted than I'm sure you have read the New Testament Bible which is under the Blood covenant which Murder, hate, jealousy, envy, theft, adultery and so on are frowned upon by God and instead he commands Love, Forgiveness, caring, giving and so on. But if you havnt read it yet, you should give it a read because it will help you better understand this topic. Jesus is Lord and when he comes back brother, every knee will bow and every toung will Confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, even you. Repent while you still can, Because of Jesus Christ's sacrifice on that cross, God is always forgiving and will welcome you with open arms if you choose so. ✌🏼
Hey Nezzor, satan is a liar, he wants you to suffer and die. But God is love and He suffered and died for your sins. But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through Him! -Romans 5:8-9 This is how you can have peace, joy and love in your life today. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. -Romans 10: 9 God bless you Nezzor
This is all just Divine Command Theory which has a serious problem. The theory basically states that if God demands something but then later demands the exact opposite then God is still the source of objective morality because the demand itself isn't objective; the fact that the demand was from God is what makes it objective. (And so every demand from God is dependent on it's own unique specific context.) This logically holds water and I see Christians using this theory to explain away all the blatant contradictions that are within the Holy Bible. However, I have not meet a Christian yet who acknowledges all the new problems that naturally follow if Divine Command Theory is actually how morality functions. For example, when any one of us are faced with a moral dilemma we would not be able to know with certainty that any choice we make was the best/correct choice unless God himself demanded we do it or said we choose correctly. The problem with this arises when you realize that none of us are able to even reliably communicate with God at all. Sure, there is prayer; however, there is simply no way to distinguish any message or sign from God from intuition, coincidence, or your own inner thoughts and dialogue. Or even worse, you could become victim to a demon's demands instead of God's if you are unfortunate enough to get deceived. So, what's the Bible's solution to this problem? The answer is God's nature supposedly never changes, and so, you must weigh every moral decision in according to God's loving nature. Unfortunately, God's loving nature can lead you to genocide entire people groups, bash infants against rocks, steal the foreskins of enemy soldiers, or even trap yourself in an abusive marriage with no hope of divorce without sinning. [Deuteronomy 20:16-17 (ESV), Psalm 137:9 (ESV), 1 Samuel 18:27 (ESV), Mark 10:1-12 (ESV).] Well Christians great job, you have just created a moral system that justifies absolutely any action you could possibly do as long as you have your Father in Heaven giving you the thumbs up. My point is: Without a consistent and reliable way to know what God is wanting us to do then Divine Command Theory is practically no different than subjective morality. Sure, logically this system of morality holds up which is awesome for Christians but actually using this form of objective morality correctly in everyday life is impossible unless you were Jesus himself. Even if you somehow managed to do everything Jesus would have done or wanted you to do then you would have no way of knowing how right you were until you were judged by God himself. So, for all extensive purposes you are living a life of subjective morality while just having faith that what you're doing is apart of God's objective morality. So don't you see, @LightoftheWorldYT , this morality argument functionally serves no purpose except to excuse blatant contradictions that are in the Bible and to that it succeeds. It's no different than a parent telling you not to lie because lying is bad but then one day they tell you it's okay to lie about your age at some restaurant so they can get a kid discount on your meal except the parent isn't visible to everyone and to a lot of people the parent just comes across as an imaginary friend. Divine Command Theory is just an argument from authority except enhanced with an unfalsifiable and supernatural twist because we aren't able to confirm that the authority even exists. And even if a God does exist who is to say yours is the correct one to follow when there are millions of other Gods? IMPORTANT FYI, I don't know if you knew you were lying when you said atheists can't have objective morality but you were. Utilitarianism is potentially an objective morality that atheists can subscribe to because it's based on Math which is objective yet isn't a God. If every living thing everywhere were to suddenly stop existing, 1 would still equal 1. And so, combine math with the philosophy of Humanism (which just states humans want favorable things to happen to them and unfavorable things to not happen to them which is objectively true by definition of the word favorable), and you get Utilitarianism- Always choose the moral option that is favorable for the most people while also causing the least unfavorable things for the least amount of people. The morality of Divine Command Theory Vs. the morality of Utilitarianism is like the morality version of a monarchy Vs. a democracy and I guess if you prefer the former then we'll have to agree to disagree until this King of yours actually shows himself but, you know, it's been over 2000 years and we're all still waiting. Plus, my proposed objective morality doesn't send you to eternal Hell for getting it wrong so that's a bonus. (I don't actually subscribe personally to Utilitarianism; however, that doesn't change the fact that it is a perspective that exists.)
@@johnroemeeks Here's one "I am the Lord your God, and you shall have no Gods before me. For I am a jealous God." NT: Hey, I'm God too, and actually there are three of us. Or how about that "Thou shall make no craven or wooden images of me." What is the central symbol of Christianity found in every church and every Christian's home? ....
its always fun trying to figure out the logic in religious minds. the many flaws, contradictions, and the amount of "context"ing to try to put contradictions in the right "light" is always interesting to note about people's tendency to "logic" their way through anything. Everyone thinks they are right and doing things for the right reason, even the worst people.
Dude, the whole "you can't judge god's moral standards because you are an atheist and you can't have one" First, lets even suppose that that statement is true, even then, we are judging god by *HIS OWN STANDARD* , not ours, thats why we say that he is hypocritical
Wrong. Theres two creation myths that contradict each other. The bible says jesus dies before passover and after passover. That is an outright contradiction. Theres many, many more. Believing in the bible is analogous to lacking critical thinking skills.
@@marveloussoftware4914 No actualy the reason is more simple the first one is using the jewish calendar wich is based of of the sun rise and set being the start of the day and end. While the other is based of the Roman calendar with is our modern way of midnight and noon instead.
@@RemingtonTripp you need to read the bible. The contradictions have nothing to do with a calendar. Whoever told you that was making an excuse to avoid the contradiction issue. Theres many, many more contradictions like when the bible claims the sun revolves around the earth. Do you claim a calender causes that one?
@@marveloussoftware4914 look bro there are no contradictions in the bible, stop looking at it like it was written by Americans in English, it wasn't. The new testament alone was written by a group of men 2000 years ago with a completely different culture, literary style, and much more complex language. It's not going to be easily understood at a glance for you, you need to do more research in it. Any question you will ask has been asked before and it has been awnsered. If you think they awnser in not good enough, then fine but what's the alternative? When this group of men that was trying to make up this story about a guy didn't time their death properly, and yet it became the most popular religion in the world? Like give humanity some credibility, we arnt that domb, you just need to look at context and understand the literary style of the time, and their might always be something else going on.
The whole argument sustains itself on the fact that God, being perfect, cannot make mistakes and so shouldn't be questioned because it's out of our comprension. But that isn't really an argument about God: i could justify literally everything that ever happened and could possibly happen using this type of reasoning. There is a beautiful video of Cosmic Skeptic talking about this that goes by the name: "The most OP argument to defend god" (or something similar) which explains why this type of reasoning is fallacious
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So there is a circumstance where slavery is good? Please explain that instead of saying that an omniscient being has his reasons for saying slavery is good and that we are just too "ignorant".
Too bad no one will like these challenge comments because the only people who watch these videos are mouth breathing new world creationists that will do anything to fill themselves up with confidence for their own delusion just because some RUclips guy says stuff that aligns with what they learned in Sunday school. *deep inhale*
slavery in the bible was different because it happened many years ago slavery there means as a way of paying your "debt" and slaves then had a proper way of being treated.
@@asylasnow1371ye, paying your debt of being invaded by israelist, and the proper way of being treaded are rules that you can murder your slave if he survives for a day after the beating from you and then dies
"The bible says slavery is ok but no true christian today believes that slavery is ok" Ok, but thats not a contradiction in the scripture. Thats just an arbitrary standard that the churches and their followers made up. Not only that bit the bible is meant to be a timeless document so it really doesnt matter if its followers do or do not want to do things considered ok by it. Not only that but forced labor has always been a thing and will always be a thing. The issue is that when people in the west say slavery they immediately think of the american civil war when there is more than just one form of forced labor. It also doesnt help that the type of slavery in the southern states was particularly brutal since american slaves werent held as war prisoners or personal servants who could buy their own freedom, like in rome or arabia, but instead as mindless cattle.
The Bible doesn't say slavery is OK. God directed Moses to free the Hebrew slaves. Also people use the NIV translation as a gotcha to say slavery is bad when the authors meant servants. The servitude wasn't race based. It was a voluntary means to pay off debt, or to keep war prisoners from rebellion. The Bible also says the servants were equals not to be treated with rigor.
Cite the verse slavery is condoned. It never was, God did not like slavery, but knows humans are what they are and therefore have the Hebrew people a civilized way to treat their "slaves" and not make it permanent. Jesus even said he has come to set prisoners and the oppressed free. That is God's take on slavery. That is also why it was Christians that are the only cultures that have tried to end slavery. Because they read and knew the Bible, not ignore context, history, and what was actually written in it to pervert God's word for their own pride and selfish ends.
We're pretty much all debt slaves to the banking class today. Temporary slavery in this age is by no means the worst thing. Eternal slavery to sin and death is.
@@potentatewags “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. Exodus 21
@@bartoszbrzozowski4693 thank you, that is a good verse to demonstrate the Bible not condoning slavery, but how to navigate through it in a world that already has it rampant.
Brings up that god is okay with slavery: Goes on to not explain why other than it is okay because god can’t be wrong: The book you read was written by a bunch of bored humans. It is not an accurate account created by god. It it was it would presumably be a reasonably good book, but it is one of the wirst I’ve read.
Love the video, mate! Could you please tell me what's that song playing in the outro. I can't find it for the life of me :D Shazam and google aren't picking it up unfortunately :(
@@LightoftheWorldYT Hello, I have this one question that has bothered me, and you seem like someone who actually can answer it. Why do I owe anything to Jesus if I never wanted to exist? There was no way for me to ask to be brought into existence. Since before this i didn't exist, I couldn't have asked for this if I didn't exist. It's like having a surprise party that you didn't ask for even if you enjoyed it. Does that mean you owe something to that person? And what if it would have been better. you didn't have a party altogether. (This argument is used by pessimists to prove that not existing would have been better than existing.) In existence, there are two major things. Suffering and pleasure. If you exist, then you would experience suffering, which is bad an pleasure which is good. But if you don't exist, you wouldn't experience suffering, which is good but you wouldn't experience pleasure, which is not bad. It's not good, but it's not bad. This means it would be better if we didn't exist. Now, some people use the argument that they would be missing out on all the good things that happen in existence that would be bad.. But they would not know or care about the pleasures in life that they are missing out or in the afterlife. So it would still stay as not bad. So, if God wants the best for us, then we should not exist. So that way, we would never experience the risk of going to hell or suffering ever. So why do I owe anything to Jesus if it would have been better for me to not exist? (This is not suicidal ideology. One is possible, and the other is not. If you make a video about this, please do not show my name in it.)
It's easy to get wrapped up in the conclusion that life would be better off without some of us like I could name off all sorts of bad people that shouldn't have ever been born from Judas, barrabas, Hitler, etc. and if you wanna take the argument to its extreme God and Jesus and the holy Spirit didn't ask to exist either but like us they came into existence for a reason you see the other side of the coin of this self defeating philosophy you're proposing is existentialism in this case specifically Christian existentialism we could make a lot of arguments about saying that we should have a choice to exist or not but at the same time we have a reason to be here and asking to not exist is essentially asking your parents to not be your parents and abandon you to die but if they're good parents they will take care of you because they love you and that's part of their purpose as your parents and even if you don't become a parent you still have a reason to keep going but it's your right and responsibility to discover what that purpose is
Also the arguments that's being proposed here can go much deeper than pessimism as you've stated earlier I know to you it's not an argument for suicide but in general these arguments are spouted by nihilists and people that are contemplating suicide by finding justifications to convince themselves and others that there's no purpose and a lack of consent that should be respected from a metaphysical viewpoint but it's not about that fam if life revolved around not being asked then there'd be no point to surprise parties, gifts, or good unexpected things that happen for instance we don't ask for a million dollars but if it was a gift given I doubt anyone would turn it away, we don't ask for a beautiful day or rain but if it happens you can't force it to change just because you didn't ask for it, we can't control every situation or have a say in it but we can make the best of where we are and what we have it's some of the same reasoning that helps prisoners of war keep living and trying to overcome adversity, it's also why we have RUclips creators because they don't give up on making videos, and I could go on and on but I believe you understand what I'm getting at by now I know that you didn't ask to be here but personally I'm happy you exist because life wouldn't be the same without you and I am certain you have someone or a lot of someone's that genuinely love and care about you and if nothing else if you wanna look for the reasons why we're here you can join the club because you're not alone in trying to make sense of it and trying to find out why we're here
No matter what, i dont trust other people to make laws to live by, especially today. We're being lead down a path of full-blown degeneracy and selfishness. The people who supposedly represent us dont represent me anymore. They clearly have their own evil agendas. After all, man is corruptible whereas God and His Laws are perfect
You want to consider context? This reduces gods objectively good commands to be nothing more than personal subjective judgements about right and wrong.
Let’s ask first simple question. Should criminals be judged and sentenced to prison ? Or should we let everyone live as they want? Should we delegalize justice system?
my problem is with the bible and how the centuries have changed it because it isn't known that the original manuscripts of the bible (written by Matthew Mark Luke and John) have survived. Only copies of copies of copies and back then they didn't have a printing press so if you wanted a copy of writing you had to painstakingly write each letter down word for word until you have a copy. and humans aren't perfect and these copies are fragmented and have countless discrepancies. not to mention the compiled books that made up the bible in the early century are different then todays. As a former Christian and now an atheist i still subscribe to the teachings of jesus and try my best to live a meaningful life filled with kindness. great video btw 👍
The Bible is actually the best attested to historical document of ancient times. To say that it is inaccurate would make every other ancient manuscript a complete fantasy and would completely nullify everything we know about history.
4:42 which is blind/ignorant faith, which needs the rest of the scriptures to not be ignorant, even though that seemed like a poor decision, it probably wasn't, but we first would need to prove of God's wisdom, which IS in the bible (aka, giving the benefit of the doubt).
Also, Exodus 2:11-12 One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. (God did not judge Moses as a murderer because he was protecting the life of the slave). Which explains something: A killing performed in an attempt to save the life of an innocent person is not murder. Killing is what He commanded the Hebrews to do, with the motive of purging their homeland. If they didn't do that, they would be killed as innocents (aka murdered).
The old laws of the lod testament are over. 2 Corinthians 3, paul explains that the laws written on stone were of glory but the law of the spirit is more glorious and will replace what was.
Matthew 5:7 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." We are to look to the laws written on stone as the goal and aim in our hearts to serve God. John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." We are still called to follow and abide in those commandments. Jesus just knows we won't do it perfectly.
@@Advisory_Vessel the commandments of Jesus are not the commandments of the jews. He has added commandments. If we recall he said, “ the law of moses says an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but i say to you do onto others as you would like them to treat you. The quote for Mathew 5:7 is him saying that HE must be the one to fulfill the commandments. No one could fulfill the commandments. In Hebrews 7, we see that all who received tithes, the levites, all died, but Melchizedek continued to live, even tho Melchizedek was not part of the levitical priesthood. Jesus is the one to fulfill the commandments fully, not us because we will never be able to.
@nihonsake5291 Well you didn't read anything I put down. It's your salvation not mine at the end of the day. I'm just giving facts to a fellow brother that claims to know like I do.
@@Advisory_Vessel i think it is you who doesnt read any of the biblical citations. I know all of yours but it seems you dont mind. 2 Corinthians 3:7-11 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! 2 Corinthians 3: 11- 12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. The law is over. Of course you must follow the ten commandments. But what truly saves you isnt purity, for none of will ever escape sin, what truly saves us is our good works. These goods works are described in Mathew 25:35.
There's an entire book in the old testament about humans not being able to comprehend what God does, and that the choices God makes are way above what we can understand. Book of Job 🗣️🔥
"God is perfect. He doesn't make wrong decisions." Except creating creatures it knew would disobey it. To the point it supposedly killed them all off and started over because he had "regretted making them." Pretty strange for a perfect, all wise, all knowing , eternal entity, existing independent of time and space itself. That's just a person huh?
thats basically the problem if your creations have free will, took their free will problem will solve, but the question is do you want to give up your own free will?
It’s always amazing to me for one to question the Bible yet not taken a considerable amount of time to study the Bible. The supposed contradiction stem solely from a lack of understanding . So, it’s not contradictory at all. Just so unbelievers understand biblical understanding. The things that God, the Lord Jesus Christ, wants everyone to know He’ll tell you upfront. Like the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament and the various sins that are pointed out in the New Testament. Do not murder, do not commit adultery, you shall have no others gods before Me, etc., etc. Then there’s the secret things in the Bible that only someone who is committed to spending time with God, in His word, will grow to understand because He will tell you. That’s the entire point of the Bible. God wants us to spend time studying His word and speaking with Him. So, you can’t gain full understanding of the scriptures by simply reading them. Your knowledge won’t come by your intelligence but by your interaction with God.
I've been diving in to christianity and i just felt obstructed by certain findings. For example, christians in general are the nicest people i know, but when i ask them what they believe about what happens with their non-believer friends and they mostly say they believe they will get ethernal torture. Thats such a weird contrast. I also read stuff like exodus 34 (i know, old testament) which make god look so vicious. You have not taken all my doubts away with this video, but you certainly made god look more just and peacefull than i thought to me. What do you think about universalism?
Don't just dive into "Christianity", dive into the Bible. That is the foundation of faith in Christ. Romans 6:23 says that the wages of all sin is death. Paul (the author of the epistle to the Romans) is saying that unbelievers who do not repent will pay for their own wages. Those who do not repent are refusing to let Christ pay their wages for many reasons, all of which are silly and based in ignorance, among other things. The Old Testament shows us how sin separates us from God, the New Testament shows us how we can get closer to God.
Everybody has sinned even once in their life and one sin separates us from God, now imagine the amount of sin we all have. That's why God provided a saviour so he can save us from our sin which will lead us to hell. Jesus lived a perfect and sinless life(cause we can't) and was killed for our sake and was burried and rose again on the third day because sin and death had no power over him.
Us Christians should be nice and loving, but we shouldn’t sugar coat. We don’t say eternal torture as a statement of brutality, we say it as fact. Which is why we should encourage nonbelievers to convert. Ultimately believers and nonbelievers are the same in terms of deserved disposition.
@@nvgboiyes6386 Nobody can demonstrate anything of the kind is real and destined to happen to some people upon their deaths. All you have is anecdotal first person experiences reported by some people, often NDEs, which may not be what Christians think they are.
Just a reminder to not cherry pick verses and also to remember that the context, not only in the verses, but also for why each book was written is extremely important for understanding the word!
A soldier is told by a man wearing a lieutenant's uniform to fire at a car driving up the road. If the officer is an imposter, then following the order is wrong. If the officer is real, then following the order is correct. The Bible gives us criteria by which to identify imposters, and explicit instructions not to be our own gods.
@@Josephcantor-v5pYou need to know god first, before you do anything in his name. Because false "god" or imposters can use good people to do bad things. Thus you can't just murder an innocent in god's name, because that's not what he tells us to do in the bible
@@ElGatoPardo693 not if they’re mugging you. But yeah, I can’t think of any single case where it wouldn’t be classified as “unjust killing” which is what the law of God actually says.
I think it really boils down to your attitude/motives. If I completely belittle your character, and accuse you of doing evil things that you didn't do, all while not "cussing" I'm still in the wrong. But if I say "damn I stubbed my toe" the latter statement isn't actually hurting anyone. It's also worth noting that we as Christians are called to be set apart from this world, so sometimes that includes not using the phrases that people use. I would just say do some research and pray about it, especially if it's a struggle.
Also do not call a God's words in vain(empty/worthless) for example:"holy moly!" Or "Jesus christ" without even communicate or asking for instead,you should use your words wisely and same as your feelings strongly. HAPPY EASTER DAY.
The Bible says not to use crass or crude speech, perverted talk (Eph 5:4, Proverbs 4:24), and to control our tongue (James 3:9-12, James 1:26), even if we are “just joking” (Prov 26:19). When our thoughts are pure and we immerse ourselves in God’s Word our speech changes (Philippians 4). So no, it is not right to cuss. People may have their own opinions but we don’t base morality on mere opinion that can change on a whim. Instead we ask “what does the Bible have to say about this”. One more link for your reading: www.desiringgod.org/interviews/on-cussing
Lol bruh if u don’t believe in a God ur dumb your big bang is a scientific observation of the creation and the outward expansion of our universe proves a creation event as something must set a thing in motion by the laws of physics And y’all say its because of the gases in the universe before time but down to the atoms that make us down to the electrons that bind them a single decimal off would not let atoms form and therefore everything. and furthermore the position of our solar system is also perfect for life in the same way and without that there would be no life on earth. And you dare say there isn’t a God. Turn to Christ and you will not only gain a reason for existence but a reason to live a true life❤️
Respectfully, you don't understand the book. The entire book of Job can be summarised as a Father bringing the son He loves into spiritual and relational maturity over and against the attempts of His enemy to thwart that plan. Job begins the book with a "vending machine" view of God - do good, get good - and by the end of the book, Job confesses that He now knows God in a much more intimate, fulfilling and life-giving way than He previously did. God also humiliates the enemy who would usurp God and destroy Job given the chance. Most people fail to understand that God will bring suffering into your life because that is how maturity and obedience to righteousness are produced in a person. Give any boy a consequence life of ease and see how they are not only failed in the preparation for life, they are failed in the preparation to be a man. This mentality is typified in the boomers and has been increasingly expressed in each successive generation and look at where it has got us: civilisation's end.
@@christopheespic God devoted those nations referenced in Deuteronomy 20 to destruction because of the list of crimes enacted by their citizens against each other and against nature that had become endemic. Any who supports any of the following crimes is literally anti-civilisational, as we are literally seeing and experiencing increasingly with every passing day in the contemporary West: 20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her. 21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord. 22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. 23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion. 24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you. 29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things-such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’” (Leviticus 18:20-30) Anyone want to stand with those practising bestiality? Ironically, it was divorce, adultery, abortion and homosexuality that have destroyed Christendom (after 1,700 years, no less!) with only limited incidents of bestiality relative to the others.
@@MichaelWilliams-eq4kt You just proved my point! God makes a "bet" with Satan and ALLOWED him to kill Job's family, bankrupt him and almost kill him with the pox. That is NOT a "loving God", that's a sadistic manipulator, therefore proving my point that God COMMANDED evil be done to Job!
I've failed to understand one thing in particular. I hope you can help me out. If God, an Perfect Being, creat an set of rules for people to follow why would He also change the rule set. "You may not murder" "You may murder for X reason". If we as an society don't work on God's absence (If It exist, then there is no abscence because It's omnipresent) then morals would not evolve.
He's a person, not an object, if someone were talking about you and they said "It doesn't believe in God, it must have no morals" that should be taken as offensive because they're calling you an object, a thing, not a person.
Parents are wild. They tell you not to have sex... ...then, about 20 years later, they're asking about grandkids! It's as though time and context never have any bearing on rules whatsoever!!
your philosophy and theology are both confused. The commandment is thou shalt not murder, not thou shalt not kill. It is not pacifist. Have you ever wondered "would I kill Hitler as a baby to stop him doing immense evil if I could go back in time?" so when God doesn't intervene in history, people say "why didn't God do something" when he does intervene in history they say "God thinks he is God and why did he intervene". Second, all morals come from God, there is no other moral standard. Without God there would be no moral standard. Before Jesus women were regarded less than second class citizens except in Israel (and even then there wasn't total equality). After Jesus and only through Jesus women are granted equality. Before Jesus universally mercy and restraint (meekness) was considered a disgusting weakness, after Jesus, mercy eventually came to be seen as a great strength. Just a couple of examples. Christ changed the world for believers and non believers alike. You have the "curse of knowledge" because you can't imagine a world without their viewpoints, but if you had been born without Christ having entered the world, you would not have received these revelations even through society and culture.
@@monkibroChristians are missing the point here. As is the guy in the video. “Don’t have sex” is not a moral claim people make unless they’re endorsing celibacy. Parents do in fact say: “don’t have sex before marriage”, as did God. Question is: why could God not have said the same for every other sin? Keep in mind no atheist claims that God contradicts himself when it comes to sex. Because his original demand is contextual, and clarifies what contexts sex is acceptable in or not. God didn’t do that for slavery (hell, I’m not sure if Christianity ever declared it was wrong at all). God didn’t do that with any of the other contradictions mentioned in the video, such as the slaughter of the Canaanites. If every act is contextually wrong, and God isn’t obligated to specify which contexts it is vs isn’t, then God could commit rape and Christians would be able to go “well maybe it was justified in this context because God did it”. And that’s effectively the issue here - that it’s impossible to know if it was in fact justified and Christians will justify it no matter how heinous or abhorrent is because God is morally perfect.
@@mickjames7962Mercy wasn’t universally seen as a weakness before Jesus lmao. Confucius proposed a compassion-based philosophy way before Jesus did. So sorry, but Jesus wasn’t as special as you think he was.
The Bible teaches about context being key in all things. If it were purely based upon rigorous logic, God would never send his own son to make a sacrifice of suffering to pay the way for all mankind's sinful debts. As the rigorous logic would imply, Jesus never sinned, therefore he is unworthy of death. Jesus is the only deity in any faith/religious based text that was willing to sacrifice for the betterment of humanity. Taking on the weight of the sin people have etched into their souls. The slave ownership example is basically talking about what we do as workers or employees. It just didn't have other names back then. When you work for a boss that can yell at you or give you a hard time whenever they show up, you don't feel like you're a free independent contractor etc. Even though that reference refers to a contract signed by both parties. And a ring being worn in the ear to signify that you are under contract of ownership in order to prosper at the end of your contract term to receive the agreed upon wage. It's essentially the same as going to college for 8 years for a degree. You would learn from your master their trade and how to upkeep whatever it is their field of expertise was. Blacksmithing or farming or animal husbandry. And then at the end also receive a portion of their stuff as you likely brought in revenue and success while working under them. And then go about your way working for yourself or if you were treated exceptionally well, like with the army, you'd reup your contract to stay with them because you feel you benefitted more from them than you could make do with on your own. The context of that verse in no way represents the kind of slavery people generally think about. Such as an extreme abuse of power. The same goes for the bible verses regarding war and the destruction of certain civilizations back then. The ones who they were at war with wanted to destroy them just as badly if not worse. It's like trying to defend a mass serial killer and paint him as the good guy. They were lands with people full of depravity and sin regarding all kinds of things God was sick of. And though God could wipe them out himself, God at the time was their actual leader and guide and he was giving orders the same way a King would if an enemy army had ill advised plans against your kingdom. It's funny how as you said. God is a person, the first person, the original person. And yet people always put him in a box and expect God to play by their make believe rules of what a God is supposed to be. Rather than adhere to his individuality. It's a lot like how many LGBTQ+ people will vote for anything pro hamas and be anti israel currently. Expecting those of hamas to be in a box where they would not murder them given the chance. When in fact it would be israel that they could be free in, and in palestine they would be executed by hamas meanwhile the executioners believing they just earned another reward from their God for killing an infidel. Understanding who people actually are works whereas pretending who people are and placing them in a box just keeps you separated from reality.
@@robertdemeter5793 This is one of the most moronic statements ever… Somehow people can convince you to believe a ridiculously convoluted origin, where they have to grasp at straws and point out 20 other stories and somehow someway convey tiny parts of them and say “see not an exact match but a similarity..” and you’ll believe that… but the logical one to one where he fulfills all the prophetic scriptures of the Old Testament is too hard to believe… Yeah, okay buddy… riiiigghhhhttttt…
@@jehmmadicine4367 Narcissists are extremely drawn to christianity, as first of all it allows them to continue avoiding all and any self-accountability..And it gives narcissists a license to hate the earth/nature/life in the most extreme and dar.-kest ways... , ,
@@jehmmadicine4367 As Iron Maiden's song titled "Seventh son" states - Only the Shaman has the gift of the second sight of Spirit, only the Shaman has the power to heal on all levels. "The good, the evil which path will he take, because Both of them trying to manipulate" is 100% true, Because by you fighting good vs evil it is automatic judgment. However in the infinite heavens that are everywhere (but you can't connect with as you have much to learn), there is no such thing as good vs evil as that is automatic judgment, and judgment can't exist in the heavens (obviously). The evidence is, you christians have always thought you were good however you have caused By far the most violent acts and you caused the most pain/suffering in human history. As that is what's within you, as christianity is 100% violence and the darkest ideologies. Period. Truth is always paradoxical. Your ego believing it's good (and saved) is what causes all your inner pain and gives you a freepass to look down upon (in your extreme narcissism) and judge others with impunity. When in reality you are constantly judging yourself, as there is no such thing as "other" in true reality ( as all is one). Enemies do not exist in true spiritual reality, you are always and forever your own worst enemy. Hence why you're completely incapable of going deep within you.,.
0:35 no true christian believe slavery is ok... it depends how you define it. Slavery in the Bible was more akin to what we call today a 9 to 5 job . Also it was only a way to pay of debts ( like how the state takes up to 30% of your income to pay outstanding debts) it was not transmissible and it had a maximum period of how long you could be one. . So is not the same as chattel slavery in any way
@@ElGatoPardo693 because the definition of slavery until recently also meant basically someone that sells its time instead of the product of one's labour.
To understand that God is the creator of the Earth and him you will worship but the nation in land were worshipping false gods and demons and burning their children as offering to them till God had given them hundreds of years to turn from their ways but couldn't and thou shall not Kill is you will not lie in wait for someone who has not wrong you or for money and kill them...yours very truly Alfonso Cantu Christian Jew
So what is your point? You contradicted yourself multiple times and used circular thinking to try and prove something, you insulted people who don't believe in God. How about you prove God exists without quoting the Bible, maybe explain why the Bible says the earth is flat and doesn't mention dinosaurs ever existing, or why the Bible says Adam named every animal on earth yet we are still discovering new animals and naming them today. How about you tell me why christianity is the true religion and not Islam or Buddhism or paganism, who is the real god? Is there more than one god and if not then why not? It's always the same crap from you people I swear.
@@ArcherMVMaster these arguments actually make sense. Especially if you read the „evil“ verses in context. Both textual and historical. For the bible is ALSO a historical Book.
@@Sagemaze there's some history in the bible, but the bible isn't a historical book. Historical fiction would be more accurate to define it. Please explain to me in what context it isn't evil to invade a land that belongs to others, commit multiple Genocide, engage in sexual exploitation and practice slavery? What context makes that okay?
@@ArcherMVMaster well one to stop evil practices the people were doing. Also your question doesn't make sense. Genocide and slavery are mutually exclusive. You can't wipe them all out and have some left over. You are misreading the events. Also misinterpreting the way the law was used.
Justify your Pov.? On top of that, justify your morals? If your atheist You shouldn’t care cause then Noone is Good or evil. The worst rapist, and the Biggest saint. Both just Good and evil in someone’s perspective.
@@Sagemaze I am no atheist but a nihilist. Just because there is no evidence of morality does not mean actions are justified. And what does an atheist saying no one is good or evil. They do believe in that So god flooding the whole earth just because he has a fragile ego killing not only pregnant women but the children as well..... God brings death on his adversaries and feels pleasure about it. God has two kids getting slaughtered by bears just for making fun of a bald man. This God of yours seems like a menace who does what he wants
@@Sagemaze I don't know what you mean about no one is good or evil unless you mean nihilism which I am. This man is comparing discipline to justify the atrocities God has commited. Law maker who says killing is prohibited but orders killing children for the crimes of their parents. And even has a problem with men committing adultery as if it matters to him. Such a fragile ego I have ever seen
@@Josephcantor-v5p you seem to have no clue what you’re talking about. These prople sacrificed their Kids, has sexual rituals and thought their sons to follow them. The only innocent were the innocent Girls. Furthermore, the „thou shalt not murder“ doesn’t inclue stuff like war, self protection etc, wich is obvious. Please dont talk on topics you know 0 to nothing about, i dont talk about quantum mechanics do i?
@@Josephcantor-v5p forgot to add that: either God is Perfect. Therefore perfectly Good and Just. Or he doesn’t exist. Metaphysics says differently thp.
I'll just put my disagreement here plainly. You're thing that God knows all is really bad thinking. Firstly you equate God to a person but the issue is a person can make mistakes and can change is mind dude to information he didn't have before or circumstances he couldn't have forseen. If these short comings don't exist for a God then this analogy this very poor. Next issue 'just because he's God'. Slavery in the Bible wasn't just used in that time. it was used to justify slavery into the future. Jesus even pointed out how slaves should obey their masters. Showing that it wasn't abolished all the way until and after then. The issue that God commanded evil is a problem becauses even modern day we know slavery is wrong God never abolished slavery so by that logic anyone who does slavery today and says the Bible didn't abolish it is in the right. And using your example God told this person and because God is perfect and knows all this person is now in right. And now imagine that excuse for anything else. God inspired me to fly in the twin towers and because God is perfect this thing I'm doing can't be wrong. Seriously bro this argument doesn't hold up
@@MagicMan508There is very clearly a difference made in the bible about who can be slaves and who you treat as indentured servants. The bible has both but you cant dismiss the greater evil just because a lesser evil is present.
First of all in that time the slavery and servant system was the same! Jesus said treat with them like you want to treat with you! He litereally said no to the slavery what we think today!
@@gipsymelody1268 that’s not at all what the text says. It specifically distinguishes the slaves from other nations, while the isrealites as the indentured servants
You just have to "behave and be good" thats the real meaning of all of this, if you follow the correct rules in order to live a peaceful life in the eyes of god then you will never have to worry about anything else. Just do the best you can do as an individual for those that are equal to you because no one is more or better than any other person, because one day you are plentiful, and the next day you might not, and in the same way, you may have help or may not and even so you must persevere and maintain yourself to be the best always. Its like taking care of your plants, you care for them but you cannot control how they grow and what they suffer so you take the best action acording to you, to make them thrive and grow beautiful. Peace everyone God bless you.
So this makes you a naturalist or what? atheist who used to be Christians then read the Bible in context because they are highly honest educated. many Collage students honestly say the same thing. I as a theist believe evidently atheist just don't know if anecdotally a spiritual God or all the other Gods exist!! and they can't say there is no God for they simply don't know honestly and whole heartedly.
@@trafficjon400 not actually, i always believed in god or the way i described him before as that higher being that created everything, but lately i've started to learn more about jesus and started to think that im not seeking for him enough, in fact my grandma that is a real christian said to me "you seem to be an agnostic" for believing in a god and not the son of god jesus as our savior and yea the only times i really read the bible were when i was a kid and to tell the truth i even read the entire bible as a book at that time and didnt understand anything and it actually scared me in certain parts, but yea i was mostly educated by my grandparents and they told me to always be good but of course stand my ground if i ever saw some sort of injustice.
@@Josephcantor-v5p Have you noticed what is going on in Gaza, Ukraine, and other countries? Of course it is not called an execution at this time. So are the Gazans or Ukrainians being justly executed for their crimes?
We may think that we're not dependant on God, but we are. So being apart from Him forever will be torture. It's our own choice if we want to be with Him or not. And God is our creator, so He has no obligation to keep us alive. But unlike us, He knows that our souls are immortal, so He wants as many people as possible to be saved. God knew that if He didn't bring the flood, no more people would be saved, because even Noah's offspring would stop believing in Him. He also knew that Izrael would be the place from which faith would spread, but the former tribes had to be removed. Later in the Bible, we see that due to the tribes that remained, sin (i.e. lack of faith) started to spread among the Israelites. God has the foresight that we don't have. It's true that us Christians can't explain all of God's actions, but we want to have a relationship with Him, and that is built on trust. And the reason why we believe in Him in the first place is because of personal experiences we've had and keep having with Him.
God doesn’t command anybody to kill anyone anymore because in the old testament God was placing judgment on those people but now we got a Savior Jesus Christ who took God judgement for us.
Great Video! I love the part of you talking about god not being a rulebook. Ie the amount of times moses went before god and convinced him to change his mind. Or Lot before sodom and gammorah. God is just and a fair judge. Sometimes hes waiting for us to initiate the conversation.
LMAO "Thinking you could know better than an imagery being is just plain egotistical". Also mortality is simple, you decide whats wrong and right based on empathy about others. I cant even with this video. This has to be a troll
What? Right and wrong isn't based on empathy? It's based on evolution. The string dominates the weak, that's nature. That's how we became where we are at. The strong steals from the weak, the weak, die the strong moves on. Nothing to do with empathy
@@MagicMan508I'm not wrong about morality, have you looked into deeply at the topic? Evolution is just a process and does not speak. As a social species empathy did play a big part and allowed us to grow and evolve better over time. A strong group of species has a greater chance of survival vs a lone individual. If a group was okay with killing, robbing, etc, that group would have trouble surviving as a whole. The fact that we are conscious beings and can empathize with others is where our morality comes from, and it's that simple.
you dont know if thats right, thats an opinion and you cant prove if morality is moral or logic is logical scientifically without implying a level of logic or morals into there. if you try, you run the risk of getting into the "is ought" logical fallicy. there is no right or wrong on atheism and it wouldnt matter anyway because everyone is going to become worm food eventually and your name will be uttered for the last time making whatever action you do now worthless and meaningless, AKA nihalism which is the logical conclusion to atheism. even though this video makes the worst arguments for god ive ever seen, your argument is somehow worse.
@randomps4clips656 Stalin is one of the greatest leaders of all time. He attempted to destroy religion. He forced the weak to work on gulags to industrialized russia, ge stole food from people to afford supplies. The weak died and the strong defended the nation from a European attack. If Stalin didn't force gulags and steal food from the weak. The Germans would have destroyed russia. Perfect example of how the strong DOMINATE the weak and move on. Your theory of people staying togeather is true. But Stalin proves that's not the only way to create a strong nation. Amd since a God doesn't exist, he is 100% morally correct right?
funny how religious people's book tend to bend the rules of their god when it convinient, like " oh, finaly god told us that it is ok to eat pig now, it has becomes clean " it is just like the peoples who were writting these books had to turn back on the commends because it was no longer practical.... hmmm
If you're a critical thinker who is interested in not only the answer to your question but a fundamental hermeneutic for the interpretation of the biblical scriptures, here it is: The covenant with Moses and the Israel nation was a national constitution with laws that governed all arenas of life so that Israel might bring forth the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. It was the best constitution for governing people in history bar none but it offered no permanent solution to the sin of Israel - let alone the nations - and so sacrifice was annual with no prospect of ever ending. This established the need for a better covenant build upon better promises, which the prophets foresaw and attributed to the coming of messiah, and this is why Jesus came to cut the New Covenant with Israel. When the leaders of that Israel rejected Jesus, their rightful king, He sent His Jewish disciples who accepted this New Covenant out into the nations where the laws of the Mosaic covenant had no binding authority because said nations never accepted this Mosaic covenant, nor did the many gentile Christian converts. On the contrary, Christians - Jew and gentile alike - were instructed by Jesus to obey the laws of the respective nations so long as they did not demand disobedience to God. The good news about God's coming kingdom went from an external representation via the constitutional life of national Israel to a decentralised message written on the heart and proclaimed through the life of Christians. So on the one hand, Christians - Jews and gentiles alike - who are by definition under the New Covenant are not required to keep the national constitutional laws of ancient Israel, nor could many of the laws be kept even if it were desired without the temple, a king, a Levitical priesthood and access to the land of Israel itself. Keep in mind that God was the one who issued the decree for the temple to be destroyed and the Jews to be scattered among the nations. The New Covenant was not just for ethnic Jews but for all people to be put into right relationship with God. On the other hand, many of the laws given by Moses were made far more demanding under the New Covenant established by Christ. It's no longer enough to just not murder someone; if you hate them, you have already murdered someone made in god's image in your heart. It's no longer enough to not commit adultery; if you have looked at a woman to lust after her you have already committed adultery with someone made in God's image in your heart. The requirement on the individual is more morally demanding and yet obedience is possible in relationship with Jesus no matter the nation a person finds themselves living in, be it the USA or North Korea. Christians can obey the laws of respective nations while showing the self-sacrificial love of Christ in their every action. Regarding food laws, God's design was never that man should eat animals but he allowed it for our benefit. This serves as an archetypical paradigm of why the Most High God allowed imperfect laws - such as that pertaining to divorce or slavery - in Israel's external national constitution. They were never to be eternal in nature and eventually, eternal laws would be established inwardly through the New Covenant. In the Millennial reign, however, don't be surprised if all nations are expected to obey laws that resemble some of the more culturally alien laws that were a part of the Mosaic covenant. For example, the bible is clear that nations will send representatives to Jerusalem to pay tribute to King Jesus, otherwise rebellion will bring down environmental catastrophe on their lands. Likewise, sacrifices will be made at the temple in Zion, though no longer for sin.
The point of sometimes working on the Sabbath is because the day to take off work is for people, not for God. It’s just better for your mental health to take a day off once a week.
No. People who worked on the Sabbath were to be killed. And while Jesus does at one point claim (literal centuries afterwards in an obvious retcon) that it was given for the benefit of the people, that doesn't hold up to critical scrutiny. The god of the Old Testament is NOT a god who cares about some abstract "spirit" of the law over the actual letter of the law. Jesus tries to give an example of David and his men eating bread from the temple, but Jesus was evidently not familiar with the full context of that verse. In that particular story, David and his men requested bread from the priest. The priest said he had bread, but could only give it to people who were ritually pure. David assured the priest that he and his men took their mission so seriously that they were ritually pure even when they didn't have to be. So, in Jesus's own example of "spirit of the law vs letter of the law", it was still the letter of the law that won out.
Slavery in the OT in moasic law is more like an indentured servitude for 7 years with all debts cleared. As far as the beating of slave, I think thats more for if they treaspass against the master
“I have not come to abolish the law or prophets but to fulfill them.” Jesus said that right before the Sermon on the Mount. The law was for the hardest of hearts.
Read 1 Timothy 1:8-11. Paul clearly speaks against kidnapping people for selling as slaves (The ESV makes this the clearest), but not all slavery has been done that way. Some people seemed to think that Paul was encouraging Philemon to emancipate Onesimus but told slaves to obey their masters in some of his other letters because he wanted Christian slaves owned by unbelievers to refrain from revolting.
@@justice8718 Finite creations also create finite creations, so what's your point? You claim God is eternal, but there's no evidence of that, or even His existence. You believe that simply because "the Book says so".
Hi i'm a Bible believer, and admitting the bible is contradiactive is completely fine it's part of rational theology but it becomes a issue when biblical literalism and fundamentalism takes hold and rejects any notion of historical and scholarship evidence. I want to say to Light of the World your video is fantastic and really well put together.
Ok so real quick. Just a simple question, has anyone in the Bible says they’ve seen god’s face? Got your answers? Well turns out depending on which book you read. Some say you’ll die if you do, others say that it is literally incomprehensible, others say that Moses saw, elders of Israel saw, others say that the punishment is death and a bunch of other people saw.
i wanted to ask about this one verse “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property" Exodus 21:20-21 , what is the context behind this verse and is it just to beat a slave till he's about to die and let him live and won't be punished ?
The Bible being contradictory doesn’t falsify God or His teachings anymore than someone writing contradictory things in your bibliography falsifies yourself. That’s the thing is, they point out contradictions like doing “bad” things somehow makes a whole religion false. If God is real, anything he does cannot be considered “bad” by us, because we don’t know more/are not morally more righteous than God.
If you define "good" as everything, God commands us to do or does himself, then a god, that would torture everyone forever in the most cruel way would still be omnibenevolent. So no, I can't claim that God is bad by that definition. But I certainly can claim that he is bad by any reasonable definition.
The Point is: As Mario in the Game, you follow your programmed faith. Is Mario able to have an consciousness? If yes, could it be real or an ai ? Would Mario ever be able to detect his fake envoirement and get out of this whatever is?
But the problem if this is the argument, you have a choice you aren't controlled, you can do what ever you want wether it's right or wrong. Faith is what you believe and what you're confident in. Just like in this world you could hurt somebody or not, if you and I are programmed to do what is said to us to do, then how come we have choices?
As a programmer, i know Mario would start at A and finish at Z. Between them i would make many things, where he can choose between jumping and flying. Also the programmer could give mario ai, so that mario could choose between the actions by himself. Of course it would be difficult to call this a game then. The thing is, he will always be a figure in the game, and will never pop up on your Desktop and ask you about the meaning of his being. Also i guess (only assumed), this is a kind of a quaranäne project. The human is very dangerous. If he is free, he would take over several planets with beings which live in harmony and peace. Also i guess the ten commandments were the key. If someone is able to hold all of the ten commandments, this Human can live with other beings on different planets. This is only possible, if someone can hold all of the ten commandments. If you re honest, if you accept God, if you not lie, not steal, not kill, not look at others wifes and goods, you are able to live with other beings on other realms/planets. If not, you have to reincarnate up to perfection. I believe God does not produce waste for which he has to burn it. He makes everything perfect as he has the Time for it
And dont forget, several things were running automatically. Sun, Lunar, Every living being gets up at day and sleeps at night. If you ask a programmer: he would explain a Programm as a thing which runs loops. Inside of this main loop, the programmer puts several little loops (mostly with: if then loops). Btw same is used for making music. So when you have understood this, you can see the bigger Picture
2:43 the day of rest was made because man needs to rest at least once every 7 days and because the body rest lest the spirit and the mind become lazy and easy prey to demons we are asked to pray in those days more than normal
Hi, i just wanted to say that your videos are really good, but I think you have to think about the titles of each video a little bit better before you post, that way you will reach to more people, regards!
I also severely question if these commands to kill everything and genocide where actually from God. Or were theu from Joshua who was speaking in Gofs place?
@@robertrivers6803 so let's call it evil because the women, children, infants and animals were not guilty...... even jesus christ cast out demons from someone and placed them on pigs, and this is very sad.
I am atheist, but I never try to disprove god, usually this topic come up when Christian or theist brought up Objective Moral values... Most rational atheist don't believe Objective moral value and the best way to determine right and wrong (to be objective) is with a goal. The goal of theist is to follow their god, that's why they think it's "Objective" but it's still subjective to their god preference. While atheist is unorganized, like they're just people there's good and bad people in every believe. But I am a humanist, the goal I am aiming for is making the thing we have now, is the best way to live, I believe with empathy, understanding and work towards understanding ourselves and the world will make the world better.
"Kill" and "Murder" are two different words with two different meanings.
I have to edit this post for some very short-sighted people.
*Unless you:*
1. Eat live animals and/or plants and can somehow digest them without killing them - YOU KILL.
or
2. Drive your car and can avoid smashing bugs on your windscreen - YOU KILL.
Are those murder? you tell us, please.
And any child can tell the difference.
They're being intentionally obtuse.
Kill is kill whether its Murder or not its cruel period and could have found another way to correct things but did not for killing . it gives evidence to murdering killing Men but us the gentiles who usually don't murder get honestly nothing. Gullible fearing scared dishonest people are all we get for an answer is frustratingly rediculous.
@@trafficjon400 You ever stepped on an insect and crushed it?
@@trafficjon400 a long string of incoherence.
Yes and the commandment says thou shall not murder
Romans 14:20 [NLT] says, "Don't tear apart the work of god over what you eat. Rembert, all foods are acceptable, but it is wrong to eat something if it makes another person stumble.
No you cannot eat anything that’s why you get sick and unhealthy eating foods outside of the laws only heathens can eat anything because they are lawless if you are a descendent of the 12 tribes then you have rules and regulations to follow speak unto the children of Israel what do you think that’s about smh
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So not all foods are acceptable at all times
@@ElGatoPardo693 Vegan plant Food has protection in it just like other living things in order to stay alive. this is why people get frustrated becoming sick eating foods they think is good. why we boil or fry foods to kill off the toxins within.
@@ElGatoPardo693 No. All food is acceptable at all times, but if I eat my friends donut knowing it's going to make him angry, and then he punches me, I am also to blame for the sin he committed as I knew he was going to be angry. Me eating that donut was acceptable, but it made my friend stumble and sin so it was wrong of me to do so. God Bless.
execution and murder are two different things.
Explain
IN MY PLACE CHATOLIC IS AGAINST EXECUTION
SO....
@@heavenwhispers3809 The judge can bring "execution" to a murderer. A judge sentencing a person to death is called "execution" and not "murder"
@@onlyyoucanstopevil9024Catholic is extremely flawed they believe the church makes the rules and decides who goes to heaven its not a good representation of Christianity
@@quojo5757 So it's easy. Only need a group of people to make society. Create judge who can legally judge by execution? Roles aren't given, they are created.
Wow. Even in elementary school I knew the difference between killing in combat and murdering in cold blood.
Also babies?
Yes but something had to make such a killing way wile it created it ! is still a strange way that it couldn't find another way to help sort it out but instead do the same thing Man has Judges naturally. its all way's man in control whether its in a book needs anecdotal spiritual Evidence in some way and not Mans way. for instance scriptures tells us never to trust man in one section or another.
@@ElGatoPardo693 Yes God gets so pissed off he even tells Moses to kill off all the baby boys and the soldiers are awarded all the little girls to own in private and do to them as they choose is shocking in the Book of NUMBERS 35: and through out LEVITICUS:
Yeah! Those babies had it coming!
People tend to speak for God. God said do not kill. But capital punishment is legal. And that’s a fully developed person.
God executes justice however God chooses. God gave the reasons for the"genocide" and said clearly that if the Jews did the same things those nations did, they too will face same just and it did happen. So let God be God. With God there is no murder. because murder is only possible when death from earth means finality. if you command earth and life after earth, then murder is no longer murder. Hopefully the wise understand.
Its not murder because he is the creator, he brought you into the world, and he can take you out at any time. We as creations, are at the mercy of our creator.
May our Lord bless you with more wisdom each day, my brother/sister in Christ
@@soun6589 so you admit God can do whatever he wants. You just proved how useless it is to worship power
@@Josephcantor-v5p You are in Gods world, either you follow Gods rules or you leave Gods world and you can go to satans world where the rules are "Do what thou wilt" and unfortunately for you, that also applies to the demons who hate you and want to torture you forever.
@@Josephcantor-v5p it is not useless to worship a power that created us in His image. To be human is to be image of God.
With understanding of the Bible we won’t have any contradictions
Edit: keyword WE won’t have any contradictions
💯We don’t the saints by blood
More like “with the presupposition of univocality and inerrancy, we won’t have no contradictions in the Bible”
@@Call_Me_RioI mean if you misunderstand the Bible pal you misunderstand it not hard to admit & proceed to try & gain an understanding better aligned with the truth, there’s only one truth . Communal study the Bible advises & I say so we don’t fall victim to misunderstanding far off from scripture
With basic media literacy you will understand the Bible is overflowing with contradictions
@@FLBJOJO It’s not about understanding. There are some irreconcilable discrepancies in the Bible that people try to overcome by ginning up scenarios.
Apologist can’t never admit to contradictions because why would a holy book have some? That’s my point. With the presupposition of innerancy, you tried to make something right that doesn’t need to be right. The Bible isn’t one cohesive book. There’s many bibles.
I don’t understand though, if the Bible had discrepancies, that doesn’t debunk your religion. Y’all do say it was divinely inspired and not written by YHVH himself.
What skeptics fail to understand is, life and death to God is simple as a blink of an eye, he gives life and if he choses to take it, he does it.
Everything is his property and he has all the rights in doing so. People are just mad because their hearts are rebellious, which refuses to accept they have no control of anything (Satan was like that too).
Our rebellious heart believes we are entitled to everything good since our birth, while at the same time each individual existence is nothing compared to the macrocosm of creation. that is something few wants to admit it.
The killings in the Old testament by Israel was God's command which is way different than people that murder someone for their own benefit.
No, they get mad at this because few people want to be utterly helpless before someone else (or many someones).
People justify what God thinks and does according to whatever calculus... but we are not God, and God's reasons may not be things we would like or care about. So what does this do for us? And if all of this is so terribly odious to God, maybe It shouldn't have created us in the first place.
People like and value autonomy in every other context, yet somehow, when it comes to the most extreme sort of powerlessness (i.e. a supreme being existing that can do whatever it wants to us), they are cool with that. I don't get it. Unless I think of it as abstraction of a certain sort of ideal. Kinda like how people sometimes idolize someone they've never met.
@@wet-read Satan chose autonomy over relationship with God. It can appear appealing at first but the consequences are eternal.
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Are you unable to grasp or speak on the concept of autonomy or something? I don't care about a story about a rebellious angel or whatever. We are not Satan. Nor are we God. I am interested in what it means to be human and also have a certain level of basic self determination - that is what I mean by "autonomy". Do you have any thoughts of your own on the matter?
@@wet-read "Are you unable to grasp or speak on the concept of autonomy or something? "
Autonomy and self determination are two different things.
"I don't care about a story about a rebellious angel or whatever."
Many people don't care about things that directly impact them. That lack of care is irrelevant to the impact.
"We are not Satan. Nor are we God."
Yes.
"I am interested in what it means to be human and also have a certain level of basic self determination - that is what I mean by "autonomy". Do you have any thoughts of your own on the matter?"
Humans have their own thoughts on many topics but none of us are the originators of any of them. My thought is that what I wrote was prefaced with "a story about a rebellious angel" and concluded with an application that is directly relevant to what it means to be human. The destination of autonomy - the actual meaning of that word at least - is death. On the topic of self-determination, my thought is that you are free to choose your destiny but there are only two - autonomy or dependency. As with all my thoughts though, none of them originated with me.
The Commandment against killing is actually do not murder. When God tells you to destroy that can not be murder.
Yes, 'killing' in English means to either 'justifiably take a life' or 'unjustifiably take a life' and is totally dependent on the context. However, we also have the word 'murder' which means to, 'unjustifiably take a human life'.
In the language that the scriptures were written in, we actually have the understanding that the word used translates to murder. In light of this, and knowing that all humans God judged to death deserved it.... God never 'murdered ' or condoned it. In fact, sin made all humans guilty anyways.
@@quesochannOriginal sin made a propensity to error hereditary, but the guilt itself of the original sin wasn’t what was passed down. That pertained to Adam and Eve.
Cult sh*t. How do you know it's G o d telling you to m people and not demons anyway.
So if god tells someone to take your life, it isn't murder?!?
BP
God does not murder nor does God command murder. To kill is not always murder.
Bro woke up and chose to speak fax
Leviticus 26:27-29
"27‘Yet, if in spite of this you do not obey Me, but walk in hostility against Me, 28then I will walk in wrathful hostility against you, and I, even I, will discipline you seven times for your sins. 29Further, you will eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters you will eat."
Context punishment.
Deuteronomy 28:53-57
"53Then you shall eat the offspring of your own body, the flesh of your sons and of your daughters whom Yahweh your God has given you, during the siege and the distress by which your enemy will oppress you. 54The man who is refined and very delicate among you shall be hostile toward his brother and toward the wife he cherishes and toward the rest of his children who remain, 55so that he will not give even one of them any of the flesh of his children which he will eat, since he has nothing else remaining, during the siege and the distress by which your enemy will oppress you in all your gates. 56The refined and delicate woman among you, who would not venture to set the sole of her foot on the ground for delicateness and refinement, shall be hostile toward the husband she cherishes and toward her son and daughter, 57and toward her afterbirth which issues from between her legs and toward her children whom she bears; for she will eat them secretly for lack of anything else, during the siege and the distress by which your enemy will oppress you in your gates."
Context punishment.
Isaiah 49:26
"26“I will feed those who mistreat you with their own flesh,
And they will become drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine;"
Context enemy nations.
Ezekiel 5:9-10
"9And I will do among you what I have not done and the like of which I will never do again because of all your abominations. 10Therefore, fathers will eat their sons among you, and sons will eat their fathers; for I will execute judgments on you and scatter all your remnant to every wind."
Context punishment.
Jeremiah 19:7-9
"7I will empty out the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem to the point of destruction in this place, and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies and by the hand of those who seek their life; and I will give over their carcasses as food for the birds of the sky and the beasts of the earth. 8I will also make this city an object of horror and of hissing; everyone who passes by it will be horrified and hiss because of all its slaughtering. 9I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they will eat one another’s flesh in the siege and in the distress with which their enemies and those who seek their life will distress them.”"
Another round of punishment.
Isaiah 19:19-20
"19By the fury of Yahweh of hosts the land is burned up,
And the people are like fuel for the fire;
No man spares his brother.
20 They slice off what is on the right hand but still are hungry,
And they eat what is on the left hand but they are not satisfied;
Each of them eats the flesh of his own arm."
Context anger against Israel.
Lamentations 4:10
"10The hands of compassionate women
Boiled their own children;
They became food for them
Because of the destruction of the daughter of my people."
Another round of wrath here.
2 Kings 6:28-29
"28And the king said to her, “What is the matter with you?” And she said, “This woman said to me, ‘Give your son that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow.’ 29So we boiled my son and ate him; and I said to her on the next day, ‘Give your son, that we may eat him’; but she has hidden her son.”"
Context siege.
Your putting up scripture of the Old testament also called the Jewish Torah, These are from the Mosiac Law and are not the teachings of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior who preached eternal forgiveness and Love of others more than yourself, but I'm pretty sure you know what your doing and you had to take it out of context to decieve people. If you have read everything you posted than I'm sure you have read the New Testament Bible which is under the Blood covenant which Murder, hate, jealousy, envy, theft, adultery and so on are frowned upon by God and instead he commands Love, Forgiveness, caring, giving and so on. But if you havnt read it yet, you should give it a read because it will help you better understand this topic. Jesus is Lord and when he comes back brother, every knee will bow and every toung will Confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, even you. Repent while you still can, Because of Jesus Christ's sacrifice on that cross, God is always forgiving and will welcome you with open arms if you choose so. ✌🏼
did you read completely? Not in your claim
the Kings are about History nothing Laws
also in there in Torah are Story, Not at All are Teaching
Hey Nezzor, satan is a liar, he wants you to suffer and die. But God is love and He suffered and died for your sins.
But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through Him! -Romans 5:8-9
This is how you can have peace, joy and love in your life today.
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. -Romans 10: 9
God bless you Nezzor
This is all just Divine Command Theory which has a serious problem. The theory basically states that if God demands something but then later demands the exact opposite then God is still the source of objective morality because the demand itself isn't objective; the fact that the demand was from God is what makes it objective. (And so every demand from God is dependent on it's own unique specific context.) This logically holds water and I see Christians using this theory to explain away all the blatant contradictions that are within the Holy Bible. However, I have not meet a Christian yet who acknowledges all the new problems that naturally follow if Divine Command Theory is actually how morality functions.
For example, when any one of us are faced with a moral dilemma we would not be able to know with certainty that any choice we make was the best/correct choice unless God himself demanded we do it or said we choose correctly. The problem with this arises when you realize that none of us are able to even reliably communicate with God at all. Sure, there is prayer; however, there is simply no way to distinguish any message or sign from God from intuition, coincidence, or your own inner thoughts and dialogue. Or even worse, you could become victim to a demon's demands instead of God's if you are unfortunate enough to get deceived. So, what's the Bible's solution to this problem? The answer is God's nature supposedly never changes, and so, you must weigh every moral decision in according to God's loving nature. Unfortunately, God's loving nature can lead you to genocide entire people groups, bash infants against rocks, steal the foreskins of enemy soldiers, or even trap yourself in an abusive marriage with no hope of divorce without sinning. [Deuteronomy 20:16-17 (ESV), Psalm 137:9 (ESV), 1 Samuel 18:27 (ESV), Mark 10:1-12 (ESV).]
Well Christians great job, you have just created a moral system that justifies absolutely any action you could possibly do as long as you have your Father in Heaven giving you the thumbs up.
My point is: Without a consistent and reliable way to know what God is wanting us to do then Divine Command Theory is practically no different than subjective morality. Sure, logically this system of morality holds up which is awesome for Christians but actually using this form of objective morality correctly in everyday life is impossible unless you were Jesus himself. Even if you somehow managed to do everything Jesus would have done or wanted you to do then you would have no way of knowing how right you were until you were judged by God himself. So, for all extensive purposes you are living a life of subjective morality while just having faith that what you're doing is apart of God's objective morality.
So don't you see, @LightoftheWorldYT , this morality argument functionally serves no purpose except to excuse blatant contradictions that are in the Bible and to that it succeeds. It's no different than a parent telling you not to lie because lying is bad but then one day they tell you it's okay to lie about your age at some restaurant so they can get a kid discount on your meal except the parent isn't visible to everyone and to a lot of people the parent just comes across as an imaginary friend. Divine Command Theory is just an argument from authority except enhanced with an unfalsifiable and supernatural twist because we aren't able to confirm that the authority even exists. And even if a God does exist who is to say yours is the correct one to follow when there are millions of other Gods?
IMPORTANT FYI, I don't know if you knew you were lying when you said atheists can't have objective morality but you were. Utilitarianism is potentially an objective morality that atheists can subscribe to because it's based on Math which is objective yet isn't a God. If every living thing everywhere were to suddenly stop existing, 1 would still equal 1. And so, combine math with the philosophy of Humanism (which just states humans want favorable things to happen to them and unfavorable things to not happen to them which is objectively true by definition of the word favorable), and you get Utilitarianism- Always choose the moral option that is favorable for the most people while also causing the least unfavorable things for the least amount of people. The morality of Divine Command Theory Vs. the morality of Utilitarianism is like the morality version of a monarchy Vs. a democracy and I guess if you prefer the former then we'll have to agree to disagree until this King of yours actually shows himself but, you know, it's been over 2000 years and we're all still waiting. Plus, my proposed objective morality doesn't send you to eternal Hell for getting it wrong so that's a bonus. (I don't actually subscribe personally to Utilitarianism; however, that doesn't change the fact that it is a perspective that exists.)
It is incredible how you try to disprove contradictions and the contradictions remain the same.
What contradictions? Please disclose
@@johnroemeeks Bro clearly doesn't know what contradictions and just wanted to feel smart 😂
@@johnroemeeks Here's one "I am the Lord your God, and you shall have no Gods before me. For I am a jealous God." NT: Hey, I'm God too, and actually there are three of us. Or how about that "Thou shall make no craven or wooden images of me." What is the central symbol of Christianity found in every church and every Christian's home? ....
Psalm 9:16🔥
Psalm 10:15🔥
I dedicate these psalms to the elite.
its always fun trying to figure out the logic in religious minds.
the many flaws, contradictions, and the amount of "context"ing to try to put contradictions in the right "light" is always interesting to note about people's tendency to "logic" their way through anything. Everyone thinks they are right and doing things for the right reason, even the worst people.
Dude, the whole "you can't judge god's moral standards because you are an atheist and you can't have one" First, lets even suppose that that statement is true, even then, we are judging god by *HIS OWN STANDARD* , not ours, thats why we say that he is hypocritical
Killing and murder are a lot different than Ice Cream tantrums.
Most contradictions are either misunderstandings or the Law being fulfilled
Wrong.
Theres two creation myths that contradict each other.
The bible says jesus dies before passover and after passover. That is an outright contradiction.
Theres many, many more. Believing in the bible is analogous to lacking critical thinking skills.
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No actualy the reason is more simple the first one is using the jewish calendar wich is based of of the sun rise and set being the start of the day and end. While the other is based of the Roman calendar with is our modern way of midnight and noon instead.
@@RemingtonTripp you need to read the bible. The contradictions have nothing to do with a calendar. Whoever told you that was making an excuse to avoid the contradiction issue.
Theres many, many more contradictions like when the bible claims the sun revolves around the earth. Do you claim a calender causes that one?
@@marveloussoftware4914 when does it say that?
@@marveloussoftware4914 look bro there are no contradictions in the bible, stop looking at it like it was written by Americans in English, it wasn't. The new testament alone was written by a group of men 2000 years ago with a completely different culture, literary style, and much more complex language. It's not going to be easily understood at a glance for you, you need to do more research in it. Any question you will ask has been asked before and it has been awnsered. If you think they awnser in not good enough, then fine but what's the alternative? When this group of men that was trying to make up this story about a guy didn't time their death properly, and yet it became the most popular religion in the world? Like give humanity some credibility, we arnt that domb, you just need to look at context and understand the literary style of the time, and their might always be something else going on.
The whole argument sustains itself on the fact that God, being perfect, cannot make mistakes and so shouldn't be questioned because it's out of our comprension. But that isn't really an argument about God: i could justify literally everything that ever happened and could possibly happen using this type of reasoning. There is a beautiful video of Cosmic Skeptic talking about this that goes by the name: "The most OP argument to defend god" (or something similar) which explains why this type of reasoning is fallacious
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So there is a circumstance where slavery is good? Please explain that instead of saying that an omniscient being has his reasons for saying slavery is good and that we are just too "ignorant".
Too bad no one will like these challenge comments because the only people who watch these videos are mouth breathing new world creationists that will do anything to fill themselves up with confidence for their own delusion just because some RUclips guy says stuff that aligns with what they learned in Sunday school. *deep inhale*
You're far too much compare the slavery from 1600s-1800s with the slavery mentioned in the Bible.
It depends. Slavery as we see today is all that torturous thing. But any kind of work without remmunaration can be considered slavery.
slavery in the bible was different because it happened many years ago
slavery there means as a way of paying your "debt" and slaves then had a proper way of being treated.
@@asylasnow1371ye, paying your debt of being invaded by israelist, and the proper way of being treaded are rules that you can murder your slave if he survives for a day after the beating from you and then dies
"The bible says slavery is ok but no true christian today believes that slavery is ok"
Ok, but thats not a contradiction in the scripture. Thats just an arbitrary standard that the churches and their followers made up. Not only that bit the bible is meant to be a timeless document so it really doesnt matter if its followers do or do not want to do things considered ok by it.
Not only that but forced labor has always been a thing and will always be a thing. The issue is that when people in the west say slavery they immediately think of the american civil war when there is more than just one form of forced labor. It also doesnt help that the type of slavery in the southern states was particularly brutal since american slaves werent held as war prisoners or personal servants who could buy their own freedom, like in rome or arabia, but instead as mindless cattle.
The Bible doesn't say slavery is OK. God directed Moses to free the Hebrew slaves. Also people use the NIV translation as a gotcha to say slavery is bad when the authors meant servants. The servitude wasn't race based. It was a voluntary means to pay off debt, or to keep war prisoners from rebellion. The Bible also says the servants were equals not to be treated with rigor.
Cite the verse slavery is condoned. It never was, God did not like slavery, but knows humans are what they are and therefore have the Hebrew people a civilized way to treat their "slaves" and not make it permanent.
Jesus even said he has come to set prisoners and the oppressed free. That is God's take on slavery.
That is also why it was Christians that are the only cultures that have tried to end slavery. Because they read and knew the Bible, not ignore context, history, and what was actually written in it to pervert God's word for their own pride and selfish ends.
We're pretty much all debt slaves to the banking class today. Temporary slavery in this age is by no means the worst thing. Eternal slavery to sin and death is.
@@potentatewags “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. Exodus 21
@@bartoszbrzozowski4693 thank you, that is a good verse to demonstrate the Bible not condoning slavery, but how to navigate through it in a world that already has it rampant.
Thanks for the video, mate! It came out exactly when I needed it
It wasnt released when i needed it, but it was recommended when i did.
Brings up that god is okay with slavery:
Goes on to not explain why other than it is okay because god can’t be wrong:
The book you read was written by a bunch of bored humans. It is not an accurate account created by god.
It it was it would presumably be a reasonably good book, but it is one of the wirst I’ve read.
Love the video, mate! Could you please tell me what's that song playing in the outro. I can't find it for the life of me :D Shazam and google aren't picking it up unfortunately :(
After All - David Crowder (but the outro song is not the official version)
@@LightoftheWorldYT Hello, I have this one question that has bothered me, and you seem like someone who actually can answer it. Why do I owe anything to Jesus if I never wanted to exist? There was no way for me to ask to be brought into existence. Since before this i didn't exist, I couldn't have asked for this if I didn't exist.
It's like having a surprise party that you didn't ask for even if you enjoyed it. Does that mean you owe something to that person? And what if it would have been better. you didn't have a party altogether.
(This argument is used by pessimists to prove that not existing would have been better than existing.)
In existence, there are two major things. Suffering and pleasure. If you exist, then you would experience suffering, which is bad an pleasure which is good. But if you don't exist, you wouldn't experience suffering, which is good but you wouldn't experience pleasure, which is not bad. It's not good, but it's not bad. This means it would be better if we didn't exist. Now, some people use the argument that they would be missing out on all the good things that happen in existence that would be bad.. But they would not know or care about the pleasures in life that they are missing out or in the afterlife. So it would still stay as not bad.
So, if God wants the best for us, then we should not exist. So that way, we would never experience the risk of going to hell or suffering ever.
So why do I owe anything to Jesus if it would have been better for me to not exist?
(This is not suicidal ideology. One is possible, and the other is not. If you make a video about this, please do not show my name in it.)
It's easy to get wrapped up in the conclusion that life would be better off without some of us like I could name off all sorts of bad people that shouldn't have ever been born from Judas, barrabas, Hitler, etc. and if you wanna take the argument to its extreme God and Jesus and the holy Spirit didn't ask to exist either but like us they came into existence for a reason you see the other side of the coin of this self defeating philosophy you're proposing is existentialism in this case specifically Christian existentialism we could make a lot of arguments about saying that we should have a choice to exist or not but at the same time we have a reason to be here and asking to not exist is essentially asking your parents to not be your parents and abandon you to die but if they're good parents they will take care of you because they love you and that's part of their purpose as your parents and even if you don't become a parent you still have a reason to keep going but it's your right and responsibility to discover what that purpose is
Also the arguments that's being proposed here can go much deeper than pessimism as you've stated earlier I know to you it's not an argument for suicide but in general these arguments are spouted by nihilists and people that are contemplating suicide by finding justifications to convince themselves and others that there's no purpose and a lack of consent that should be respected from a metaphysical viewpoint but it's not about that fam if life revolved around not being asked then there'd be no point to surprise parties, gifts, or good unexpected things that happen for instance we don't ask for a million dollars but if it was a gift given I doubt anyone would turn it away, we don't ask for a beautiful day or rain but if it happens you can't force it to change just because you didn't ask for it, we can't control every situation or have a say in it but we can make the best of where we are and what we have it's some of the same reasoning that helps prisoners of war keep living and trying to overcome adversity, it's also why we have RUclips creators because they don't give up on making videos, and I could go on and on but I believe you understand what I'm getting at by now I know that you didn't ask to be here but personally I'm happy you exist because life wouldn't be the same without you and I am certain you have someone or a lot of someone's that genuinely love and care about you and if nothing else if you wanna look for the reasons why we're here you can join the club because you're not alone in trying to make sense of it and trying to find out why we're here
No matter what, i dont trust other people to make laws to live by, especially today. We're being lead down a path of full-blown degeneracy and selfishness. The people who supposedly represent us dont represent me anymore. They clearly have their own evil agendas.
After all, man is corruptible whereas God and His Laws are perfect
You want to consider context? This reduces gods objectively good commands to be nothing more than personal subjective judgements about right and wrong.
Let’s ask first simple question. Should criminals be judged and sentenced to prison ? Or should we let everyone live as they want? Should we delegalize justice system?
no because they will break the law again. The same is with sin. If you do a very bad sin then god will punish you in the form of jail.
yes. but for eternity no. and especially no if the judge is the one that put the weapon in your hand and pulled the trigger.
my problem is with the bible and how the centuries have changed it because it isn't known that the original manuscripts of the bible (written by Matthew Mark Luke and John) have survived. Only copies of copies of copies and back then they didn't have a printing press so if you wanted a copy of writing you had to painstakingly write each letter down word for word until you have a copy. and humans aren't perfect and these copies are fragmented and have countless discrepancies. not to mention the compiled books that made up the bible in the early century are different then todays. As a former Christian and now an atheist i still subscribe to the teachings of jesus and try my best to live a meaningful life filled with kindness. great video btw 👍
The Bible is actually the best attested to historical document of ancient times. To say that it is inaccurate would make every other ancient manuscript a complete fantasy and would completely nullify everything we know about history.
Sounds about honest.
You know Mathew Mark Luke and John are just the names of the books write? They didn’t actually write them..
@@LightoftheWorldYTThat’s just not even remotely true 😂😂
Have you ever heard of China?
Gen 9:6 "Mans Blood".
Prov 6:7 "Innocent Blood".
Killing someone for their money or killing an invading army, two different things.
4:42 which is blind/ignorant faith, which needs the rest of the scriptures to not be ignorant, even though that seemed like a poor decision, it probably wasn't, but we first would need to prove of God's wisdom, which IS in the bible (aka, giving the benefit of the doubt).
Also, Exodus 2:11-12
One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. (God did not judge Moses as a murderer because he was protecting the life of the slave).
Which explains something: A killing performed in an attempt to save the life of an innocent person is not murder. Killing is what He commanded the Hebrews to do, with the motive of purging their homeland. If they didn't do that, they would be killed as innocents (aka murdered).
Instant no true scotsman fallacy. "No true Christian believes..." well, well, how would you know?
That's not a No True Scotsman if the counterargument proposes something that directly contradicts Christian dogmas.
My people perish for lack of knowledge.
When God hated knowledge at first and now its the lack is contradictive.
What @@trafficjon400
@@trafficjon400 No
The old laws of the lod testament are over. 2 Corinthians 3, paul explains that the laws written on stone were of glory but the law of the spirit is more glorious and will replace what was.
Matthew 5:7 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
We are to look to the laws written on stone as the goal and aim in our hearts to serve God.
John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
We are still called to follow and abide in those commandments. Jesus just knows we won't do it perfectly.
@@Advisory_Vessel the commandments of Jesus are not the commandments of the jews. He has added commandments. If we recall he said, “ the law of moses says an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but i say to you do onto others as you would like them to treat you.
The quote for Mathew 5:7 is him saying that HE must be the one to fulfill the commandments. No one could fulfill the commandments.
In Hebrews 7, we see that all who received tithes, the levites, all died, but Melchizedek continued to live, even tho Melchizedek was not part of the levitical priesthood.
Jesus is the one to fulfill the commandments fully, not us because we will never be able to.
@nihonsake5291 Well you didn't read anything I put down. It's your salvation not mine at the end of the day. I'm just giving facts to a fellow brother that claims to know like I do.
@@Advisory_Vessel i think it is you who doesnt read any of the biblical citations. I know all of yours but it seems you dont mind.
2 Corinthians 3:7-11
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
2 Corinthians 3: 11-
12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
The law is over. Of course you must follow the ten commandments. But what truly saves you isnt purity, for none of will ever escape sin, what truly saves us is our good works. These goods works are described in Mathew 25:35.
Ya then Jesus Builds the lake of fire for any one who does see a problem.
There's an entire book in the old testament about humans not being able to comprehend what God does, and that the choices God makes are way above what we can understand. Book of Job 🗣️🔥
Hitting someone in a boxing match isn’t comparable to owning slaves in the 19th century.
Jesus is the only way ✝️
What are these aurguments brother
Weak ones from a delud*d christian
Great video. So well put together. Subscribbed!
"God is perfect. He doesn't make wrong decisions." Except creating creatures it knew would disobey it. To the point it supposedly killed them all off and started over because he had "regretted making them." Pretty strange for a perfect, all wise, all knowing , eternal entity, existing independent of time and space itself. That's just a person huh?
He gave people free choice. So his decision was not wrong, unfortunately we messed things up.
thats basically the problem if your creations have free will, took their free will problem will solve, but the question is do you want to give up your own free will?
Thats the whole point of free will. Do you think God should make us completely compliant to him? That's not fair. God made the perfect decision there.
He HAD to kill them all because of The Nephilim and Fallen Angels, read the Book of Enoch and Genesis it explains everything.
@@lil_T_V yeah and then he himself regretted it lol, did you even read the second part of the OP's comment?
It’s always amazing to me for one to question the Bible yet not taken a considerable amount of time to study the Bible. The supposed contradiction stem solely from a lack of understanding . So, it’s not contradictory at all.
Just so unbelievers understand biblical understanding. The things that God, the Lord Jesus Christ, wants everyone to know He’ll tell you upfront. Like the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament and the various sins that are pointed out in the New Testament. Do not murder, do not commit adultery, you shall have no others gods before Me, etc., etc. Then there’s the secret things in the Bible that only someone who is committed to spending time with God, in His word, will grow to understand because He will tell you. That’s the entire point of the Bible. God wants us to spend time studying His word and speaking with Him. So, you can’t gain full understanding of the scriptures by simply reading them. Your knowledge won’t come by your intelligence but by your interaction with God.
I've been diving in to christianity and i just felt obstructed by certain findings.
For example, christians in general are the nicest people i know, but when i ask them what they believe about what happens with their non-believer friends and they mostly say they believe they will get ethernal torture.
Thats such a weird contrast.
I also read stuff like exodus 34 (i know, old testament) which make god look so vicious.
You have not taken all my doubts away with this video, but you certainly made god look more just and peacefull than i thought to me.
What do you think about universalism?
Don't just dive into "Christianity", dive into the Bible. That is the foundation of faith in Christ. Romans 6:23 says that the wages of all sin is death. Paul (the author of the epistle to the Romans) is saying that unbelievers who do not repent will pay for their own wages. Those who do not repent are refusing to let Christ pay their wages for many reasons, all of which are silly and based in ignorance, among other things.
The Old Testament shows us how sin separates us from God, the New Testament shows us how we can get closer to God.
Everybody has sinned even once in their life and one sin separates us from God, now imagine the amount of sin we all have. That's why God provided a saviour so he can save us from our sin which will lead us to hell. Jesus lived a perfect and sinless life(cause we can't) and was killed for our sake and was burried and rose again on the third day because sin and death had no power over him.
Read John 14:6, John 3:3 and mark 1:15
Us Christians should be nice and loving, but we shouldn’t sugar coat. We don’t say eternal torture as a statement of brutality, we say it as fact. Which is why we should encourage nonbelievers to convert. Ultimately believers and nonbelievers are the same in terms of deserved disposition.
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Nobody can demonstrate anything of the kind is real and destined to happen to some people upon their deaths. All you have is anecdotal first person experiences reported by some people, often NDEs, which may not be what Christians think they are.
Lol. JC should have been doing the bicep flex pointing.. "Is the gym thaf way, or that way"
christians in the comments defending murder is crazy
It's not murder if there is reason, I know there have been violent conflicts in which you had more positive opinion on than another side.
It's sad, humanity is doomed.
Just a reminder to not cherry pick verses and also to remember that the context, not only in the verses, but also for why each book was written is extremely important for understanding the word!
This logic is the reasons why people will commit murder/assault and then claim God told them. No. You’re just your own God.
A soldier is told by a man wearing a lieutenant's uniform to fire at a car driving up the road. If the officer is an imposter, then following the order is wrong. If the officer is real, then following the order is correct.
The Bible gives us criteria by which to identify imposters, and explicit instructions not to be our own gods.
@@StageWatcher what does this have to do with anything?
@@Josephcantor-v5pYou need to know god first, before you do anything in his name. Because false "god" or imposters can use good people to do bad things. Thus you can't just murder an innocent in god's name, because that's not what he tells us to do in the bible
@@UniverseExp91 so are those innocent people in judges who died over a raped woman are not innocent?
@@Josephcantor-v5p Can you form your question or what you're referencing to, in another way? Because I don't quite understand what you're asking.
Japeth sacrificing his daughter to the love god is really pure love
It's a cautionary tale
All murder is killing.
Not all killing is murder.
There. Explained.
It doesn't matter..... It's still means taking a life.
Is killing babies murder?
@@Josephcantor-v5p it does matter in the eyes of reason, the eyes of the law, and the eyes of the LORD.
@@ElGatoPardo693 not if they’re mugging you. But yeah, I can’t think of any single case where it wouldn’t be classified as “unjust killing” which is what the law of God actually says.
@@dansir4102 so killing people who with different belief is just to you?
Fellas I have a question. I am stuck on whether or not It's right to cuss. Some people say yes, some people say no. What is the right answer?
I think it really boils down to your attitude/motives. If I completely belittle your character, and accuse you of doing evil things that you didn't do, all while not "cussing" I'm still in the wrong. But if I say "damn I stubbed my toe" the latter statement isn't actually hurting anyone. It's also worth noting that we as Christians are called to be set apart from this world, so sometimes that includes not using the phrases that people use. I would just say do some research and pray about it, especially if it's a struggle.
Also do not call a God's words in vain(empty/worthless) for example:"holy moly!" Or "Jesus christ" without even communicate or asking for instead,you should use your words wisely and same as your feelings strongly. HAPPY EASTER DAY.
The Bible says not to use crass or crude speech, perverted talk (Eph 5:4, Proverbs 4:24), and to control our tongue (James 3:9-12, James 1:26), even if we are “just joking” (Prov 26:19). When our thoughts are pure and we immerse ourselves in God’s Word our speech changes (Philippians 4).
So no, it is not right to cuss. People may have their own opinions but we don’t base morality on mere opinion that can change on a whim. Instead we ask “what does the Bible have to say about this”.
One more link for your reading: www.desiringgod.org/interviews/on-cussing
I can't believe people actually believe in these fairytales. I used to be blind and dumb. But I stopped that when I was 8.
Lol bruh if u don’t believe in a God ur dumb your big bang is a scientific observation of the creation and the outward expansion of our universe proves a creation event as something must set a thing in motion by the laws of physics And y’all say its because of the gases in the universe before time but down to the atoms that make us down to the electrons that bind them a single decimal off would not let atoms form and therefore everything. and furthermore the position of our solar system is also perfect for life in the same way and without that there would be no life on earth. And you dare say there isn’t a God. Turn to Christ and you will not only gain a reason for existence but a reason to live a true life❤️
"God does not command evil".
See : Job 🙄
Or Deuteronomy 20....
Respectfully, you don't understand the book.
The entire book of Job can be summarised as a Father bringing the son He loves into spiritual and relational maturity over and against the attempts of His enemy to thwart that plan. Job begins the book with a "vending machine" view of God - do good, get good - and by the end of the book, Job confesses that He now knows God in a much more intimate, fulfilling and life-giving way than He previously did. God also humiliates the enemy who would usurp God and destroy Job given the chance.
Most people fail to understand that God will bring suffering into your life because that is how maturity and obedience to righteousness are produced in a person. Give any boy a consequence life of ease and see how they are not only failed in the preparation for life, they are failed in the preparation to be a man. This mentality is typified in the boomers and has been increasingly expressed in each successive generation and look at where it has got us: civilisation's end.
@@christopheespic God devoted those nations referenced in Deuteronomy 20 to destruction because of the list of crimes enacted by their citizens against each other and against nature that had become endemic. Any who supports any of the following crimes is literally anti-civilisational, as we are literally seeing and experiencing increasingly with every passing day in the contemporary West:
20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things-such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’”
(Leviticus 18:20-30)
Anyone want to stand with those practising bestiality? Ironically, it was divorce, adultery, abortion and homosexuality that have destroyed Christendom (after 1,700 years, no less!) with only limited incidents of bestiality relative to the others.
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You just proved my point!
God makes a "bet" with Satan and ALLOWED him to kill Job's family, bankrupt him and almost kill him with the pox.
That is NOT a "loving God", that's a sadistic manipulator, therefore proving my point that God COMMANDED evil be done to Job!
I've failed to understand one thing in particular. I hope you can help me out. If God, an Perfect Being, creat an set of rules for people to follow why would He also change the rule set. "You may not murder" "You may murder for X reason". If we as an society don't work on God's absence (If It exist, then there is no abscence because It's omnipresent) then morals would not evolve.
He's a person, not an object, if someone were talking about you and they said "It doesn't believe in God, it must have no morals" that should be taken as offensive because they're calling you an object, a thing, not a person.
Parents are wild.
They tell you not to have sex...
...then, about 20 years later, they're asking about grandkids!
It's as though time and context never have any bearing on rules whatsoever!!
your philosophy and theology are both confused. The commandment is thou shalt not murder, not thou shalt not kill. It is not pacifist. Have you ever wondered "would I kill Hitler as a baby to stop him doing immense evil if I could go back in time?" so when God doesn't intervene in history, people say "why didn't God do something" when he does intervene in history they say "God thinks he is God and why did he intervene". Second, all morals come from God, there is no other moral standard. Without God there would be no moral standard. Before Jesus women were regarded less than second class citizens except in Israel (and even then there wasn't total equality). After Jesus and only through Jesus women are granted equality. Before Jesus universally mercy and restraint (meekness) was considered a disgusting weakness, after Jesus, mercy eventually came to be seen as a great strength. Just a couple of examples. Christ changed the world for believers and non believers alike. You have the "curse of knowledge" because you can't imagine a world without their viewpoints, but if you had been born without Christ having entered the world, you would not have received these revelations even through society and culture.
@@monkibroChristians are missing the point here. As is the guy in the video.
“Don’t have sex” is not a moral claim people make unless they’re endorsing celibacy.
Parents do in fact say: “don’t have sex before marriage”, as did God. Question is: why could God not have said the same for every other sin?
Keep in mind no atheist claims that God contradicts himself when it comes to sex. Because his original demand is contextual, and clarifies what contexts sex is acceptable in or not.
God didn’t do that for slavery (hell, I’m not sure if Christianity ever declared it was wrong at all). God didn’t do that with any of the other contradictions mentioned in the video, such as the slaughter of the Canaanites.
If every act is contextually wrong, and God isn’t obligated to specify which contexts it is vs isn’t, then God could commit rape and Christians would be able to go “well maybe it was justified in this context because God did it”.
And that’s effectively the issue here - that it’s impossible to know if it was in fact justified and Christians will justify it no matter how heinous or abhorrent is because God is morally perfect.
@@mickjames7962Mercy wasn’t universally seen as a weakness before Jesus lmao. Confucius proposed a compassion-based philosophy way before Jesus did.
So sorry, but Jesus wasn’t as special as you think he was.
The Bible teaches about context being key in all things.
If it were purely based upon rigorous logic, God would never send his own son to make a sacrifice of suffering to pay the way for all mankind's sinful debts. As the rigorous logic would imply, Jesus never sinned, therefore he is unworthy of death.
Jesus is the only deity in any faith/religious based text that was willing to sacrifice for the betterment of humanity. Taking on the weight of the sin people have etched into their souls.
The slave ownership example is basically talking about what we do as workers or employees. It just didn't have other names back then. When you work for a boss that can yell at you or give you a hard time whenever they show up, you don't feel like you're a free independent contractor etc. Even though that reference refers to a contract signed by both parties. And a ring being worn in the ear to signify that you are under contract of ownership in order to prosper at the end of your contract term to receive the agreed upon wage. It's essentially the same as going to college for 8 years for a degree. You would learn from your master their trade and how to upkeep whatever it is their field of expertise was. Blacksmithing or farming or animal husbandry. And then at the end also receive a portion of their stuff as you likely brought in revenue and success while working under them. And then go about your way working for yourself or if you were treated exceptionally well, like with the army, you'd reup your contract to stay with them because you feel you benefitted more from them than you could make do with on your own.
The context of that verse in no way represents the kind of slavery people generally think about. Such as an extreme abuse of power.
The same goes for the bible verses regarding war and the destruction of certain civilizations back then. The ones who they were at war with wanted to destroy them just as badly if not worse. It's like trying to defend a mass serial killer and paint him as the good guy. They were lands with people full of depravity and sin regarding all kinds of things God was sick of. And though God could wipe them out himself, God at the time was their actual leader and guide and he was giving orders the same way a King would if an enemy army had ill advised plans against your kingdom. It's funny how as you said. God is a person, the first person, the original person. And yet people always put him in a box and expect God to play by their make believe rules of what a God is supposed to be. Rather than adhere to his individuality. It's a lot like how many LGBTQ+ people will vote for anything pro hamas and be anti israel currently. Expecting those of hamas to be in a box where they would not murder them given the chance. When in fact it would be israel that they could be free in, and in palestine they would be executed by hamas meanwhile the executioners believing they just earned another reward from their God for killing an infidel. Understanding who people actually are works whereas pretending who people are and placing them in a box just keeps you separated from reality.
The entire story of christ is an exact duplicate copy of over 20 much older deity's in much older mythologies.
Christ never existed (completely proven).
@@robertdemeter5793 This is one of the most moronic statements ever… Somehow people can convince you to believe a ridiculously convoluted origin, where they have to grasp at straws and point out 20 other stories and somehow someway convey tiny parts of them and say “see not an exact match but a similarity..” and you’ll believe that… but the logical one to one where he fulfills all the prophetic scriptures of the Old Testament is too hard to believe… Yeah, okay buddy… riiiigghhhhttttt…
@@jehmmadicine4367 Narcissists are extremely drawn to christianity, as first of all it allows them to continue avoiding all and any self-accountability..And it gives narcissists a license to hate the earth/nature/life in the most extreme and dar.-kest ways... , ,
@@jehmmadicine4367 As Iron Maiden's song titled "Seventh son" states - Only the Shaman has the gift of the second sight of Spirit, only the Shaman has the power to heal on all levels. "The good, the evil which path will he take, because Both of them trying to manipulate" is 100% true, Because by you fighting good vs evil it is automatic judgment. However in the infinite heavens that are everywhere (but you can't connect with as you have much to learn), there is no such thing as good vs evil as that is automatic judgment, and judgment can't exist in the heavens (obviously).
The evidence is, you christians have always thought you were good however you have caused By far the most violent acts and you caused the most pain/suffering in human history. As that is what's within you, as christianity is 100% violence and the darkest ideologies. Period.
Truth is always paradoxical.
Your ego believing it's good (and saved) is what causes all your inner pain and gives you a freepass to look down upon (in your extreme narcissism) and judge others with impunity.
When in reality you are constantly judging yourself, as there is no such thing as "other" in true reality ( as all is one). Enemies do not exist in true spiritual reality, you are always and forever your own worst enemy. Hence why you're completely incapable of going deep within you.,.
Why do I always give them the benefit of the doubt 🤔
0:35 no true christian believe slavery is ok... it depends how you define it. Slavery in the Bible was more akin to what we call today a 9 to 5 job . Also it was only a way to pay of debts ( like how the state takes up to 30% of your income to pay outstanding debts) it was not transmissible and it had a maximum period of how long you could be one. . So is not the same as chattel slavery in any way
So why call it slavery?
@@ElGatoPardo693 because the definition of slavery until recently also meant basically someone that sells its time instead of the product of one's labour.
Wait are you saying it’s was ok for them to go kill other peoples and rape their women and children and take their things? Atop trying to justify evil
Leviticus 25.44 to 46 allows chattel slavery. Read your book
@@nrsrymj the words define servants. Yes they are bounded to you but is not like you have absolute rights over them. They are not considered chattel
#4, He doesn't say kill, it's dedicated, it's not the same.
To understand that God is the creator of the Earth and him you will worship but the nation in land were worshipping false gods and demons and burning their children as offering to them till God had given them hundreds of years to turn from their ways but couldn't and thou shall not Kill is you will not lie in wait for someone who has not wrong you or for money and kill them...yours very truly Alfonso Cantu Christian Jew
such a good editing skills! this channel definitely deserves more subs, you gained a follower!
Murder is wrong. God giving the ancient Israelites the commandments to go to war and destroy evil nations is not murder.
But you're killing innocent people and children
No its @user-id9oi1py4t
@@Magister195 And then on top of that sending them to eternal damnation, this gods a dick lmao.
@@Magister195you mean the children that the caananites were sacrificing to molech? You mean those innocent people? 🤨
They werent even fully human. They were all nephilim. @@Magister195
So what is your point? You contradicted yourself multiple times and used circular thinking to try and prove something, you insulted people who don't believe in God. How about you prove God exists without quoting the Bible, maybe explain why the Bible says the earth is flat and doesn't mention dinosaurs ever existing, or why the Bible says Adam named every animal on earth yet we are still discovering new animals and naming them today. How about you tell me why christianity is the true religion and not Islam or Buddhism or paganism, who is the real god? Is there more than one god and if not then why not? It's always the same crap from you people I swear.
This video wins the award of worst arguments possible. I even thought it was satire.
Watch the whole video bud.
@@Sagemaze I did. That's why I said what I said.
@@ArcherMVMaster these arguments actually make sense. Especially if you read the „evil“ verses in context. Both textual and historical. For the bible is ALSO a historical Book.
@@Sagemaze there's some history in the bible, but the bible isn't a historical book. Historical fiction would be more accurate to define it.
Please explain to me in what context it isn't evil to invade a land that belongs to others, commit multiple Genocide, engage in sexual exploitation and practice slavery?
What context makes that okay?
@@ArcherMVMaster well one to stop evil practices the people were doing. Also your question doesn't make sense. Genocide and slavery are mutually exclusive. You can't wipe them all out and have some left over. You are misreading the events. Also misinterpreting the way the law was used.
One thing about this guy. He will even judge God, which tells you everything you need to know about him.
Worst argument ever
Justify your Pov.? On top of that, justify your morals? If your atheist You shouldn’t care cause then Noone is Good or evil. The worst rapist, and the Biggest saint. Both just Good and evil in someone’s perspective.
@@Sagemaze I am no atheist but a nihilist. Just because there is no evidence of morality does not mean actions are justified. And what does an atheist saying no one is good or evil. They do believe in that
So god flooding the whole earth just because he has a fragile ego killing not only pregnant women but the children as well.....
God brings death on his adversaries and feels pleasure about it. God has two kids getting slaughtered by bears just for making fun of a bald man.
This God of yours seems like a menace who does what he wants
@@Sagemaze I don't know what you mean about no one is good or evil unless you mean nihilism which I am.
This man is comparing discipline to justify the atrocities God has commited. Law maker who says killing is prohibited but orders killing children for the crimes of their parents.
And even has a problem with men committing adultery as if it matters to him. Such a fragile ego I have ever seen
@@Josephcantor-v5p you seem to have no clue what you’re talking about. These prople sacrificed their Kids, has sexual rituals and thought their sons to follow them. The only innocent were the innocent Girls. Furthermore, the „thou shalt not murder“ doesn’t inclue stuff like war, self protection etc, wich is obvious. Please dont talk on topics you know 0 to nothing about, i dont talk about quantum mechanics do i?
@@Josephcantor-v5p forgot to add that: either God is Perfect. Therefore perfectly Good and Just. Or he doesn’t exist. Metaphysics says differently thp.
#3, we are men of our word, that's the best joke ever!
I'll just put my disagreement here plainly. You're thing that God knows all is really bad thinking.
Firstly you equate God to a person but the issue is a person can make mistakes and can change is mind dude to information he didn't have before or circumstances he couldn't have forseen. If these short comings don't exist for a God then this analogy this very poor.
Next issue 'just because he's God'. Slavery in the Bible wasn't just used in that time. it was used to justify slavery into the future. Jesus even pointed out how slaves should obey their masters. Showing that it wasn't abolished all the way until and after then. The issue that God commanded evil is a problem becauses even modern day we know slavery is wrong God never abolished slavery so by that logic anyone who does slavery today and says the Bible didn't abolish it is in the right.
And using your example God told this person and because God is perfect and knows all this person is now in right.
And now imagine that excuse for anything else. God inspired me to fly in the twin towers and because God is perfect this thing I'm doing can't be wrong.
Seriously bro this argument doesn't hold up
I swear, his argument are so bad I thought this was sarcasm at first.
The bibles gives very strict rules to slavery that you are ignoring. Slavery in the bible is very different then what you are referring to
@@MagicMan508There is very clearly a difference made in the bible about who can be slaves and who you treat as indentured servants. The bible has both but you cant dismiss the greater evil just because a lesser evil is present.
First of all in that time the slavery and servant system was the same!
Jesus said treat with them like you want to treat with you! He litereally said no to the slavery what we think today!
@@gipsymelody1268 that’s not at all what the text says. It specifically distinguishes the slaves from other nations, while the isrealites as the indentured servants
You just have to "behave and be good" thats the real meaning of all of this, if you follow the correct rules in order to live a peaceful life in the eyes of god then you will never have to worry about anything else. Just do the best you can do as an individual for those that are equal to you because no one is more or better than any other person, because one day you are plentiful, and the next day you might not, and in the same way, you may have help or may not and even so you must persevere and maintain yourself to be the best always. Its like taking care of your plants, you care for them but you cannot control how they grow and what they suffer so you take the best action acording to you, to make them thrive and grow beautiful. Peace everyone God bless you.
So this makes you a naturalist or what? atheist who used to be Christians then read the Bible in context because they are highly honest educated. many Collage students honestly say the same thing. I as a theist believe evidently atheist just don't know if anecdotally a spiritual God or all the other Gods exist!! and they can't say there is no God for they simply don't know honestly and whole heartedly.
@@trafficjon400 not actually, i always believed in god or the way i described him before as that higher being that created everything, but lately i've started to learn more about jesus and started to think that im not seeking for him enough, in fact my grandma that is a real christian said to me "you seem to be an agnostic" for believing in a god and not the son of god jesus as our savior and yea the only times i really read the bible were when i was a kid and to tell the truth i even read the entire bible as a book at that time and didnt understand anything and it actually scared me in certain parts, but yea i was mostly educated by my grandparents and they told me to always be good but of course stand my ground if i ever saw some sort of injustice.
@@KakashiSFS1110 frustrated we can be more moral than the absurdities of scriptures. of course it needs wonder full things. no one would believe it.
All made up claims with no evidence at all 😂😂😂😂
@bigchongusHHbut there is no proof of his miracles
Killing in war and committing murder are two different things.
So mass murdering non believers not considered murder?
@@Josephcantor-v5p Have you noticed what is going on in Gaza, Ukraine, and other countries? Of course it is not called an execution at this time. So are the Gazans or Ukrainians being justly executed for their crimes?
Even unjustified war?
@@kerwinbrown4180 how does this relate to killing people just because they have a different belief
@@Josephcantor-v5p Stop sounding like a sociopath as you sound like you lack a moral compass.
Bad April fools joke
More like your comprehension.
@@Max_Svensson Jesus loves you bro don’t be deceived by this video
@@marlondavide9343Nope
We may think that we're not dependant on God, but we are. So being apart from Him forever will be torture. It's our own choice if we want to be with Him or not. And God is our creator, so He has no obligation to keep us alive. But unlike us, He knows that our souls are immortal, so He wants as many people as possible to be saved. God knew that if He didn't bring the flood, no more people would be saved, because even Noah's offspring would stop believing in Him. He also knew that Izrael would be the place from which faith would spread, but the former tribes had to be removed. Later in the Bible, we see that due to the tribes that remained, sin (i.e. lack of faith) started to spread among the Israelites. God has the foresight that we don't have.
It's true that us Christians can't explain all of God's actions, but we want to have a relationship with Him, and that is built on trust. And the reason why we believe in Him in the first place is because of personal experiences we've had and keep having with Him.
This is why the first commandment is to love G'd. Because if G'd command you to kill, you have to.
What? Buddy get of the Internet. Its better for you🙏🏻
Dictatorship
God doesn’t command anybody to kill anyone anymore because in the old testament God was placing judgment on those people but now we got a Savior Jesus Christ who took God judgement for us.
@@Sagemaze "off"
@@yourdoseoflogic131ight.
Great Video! I love the part of you talking about god not being a rulebook. Ie the amount of times moses went before god and convinced him to change his mind. Or Lot before sodom and gammorah. God is just and a fair judge. Sometimes hes waiting for us to initiate the conversation.
This video is awful in everyway for trying to defend "god"
I love the style of your videos, keep it up!
LMAO "Thinking you could know better than an imagery being is just plain egotistical". Also mortality is simple, you decide whats wrong and right based on empathy about others. I cant even with this video. This has to be a troll
What? Right and wrong isn't based on empathy? It's based on evolution. The string dominates the weak, that's nature. That's how we became where we are at. The strong steals from the weak, the weak, die the strong moves on. Nothing to do with empathy
That's not what evolution says, your wrong about morality. Evolution says the strong dominate the weak and says nothing about empathy
@@MagicMan508I'm not wrong about morality, have you looked into deeply at the topic? Evolution is just a process and does not speak. As a social species empathy did play a big part and allowed us to grow and evolve better over time. A strong group of species has a greater chance of survival vs a lone individual. If a group was okay with killing, robbing, etc, that group would have trouble surviving as a whole. The fact that we are conscious beings and can empathize with others is where our morality comes from, and it's that simple.
you dont know if thats right, thats an opinion and you cant prove if morality is moral or logic is logical scientifically without implying a level of logic or morals into there. if you try, you run the risk of getting into the "is ought" logical fallicy. there is no right or wrong on atheism and it wouldnt matter anyway because everyone is going to become worm food eventually and your name will be uttered for the last time making whatever action you do now worthless and meaningless, AKA nihalism which is the logical conclusion to atheism. even though this video makes the worst arguments for god ive ever seen, your argument is somehow worse.
@randomps4clips656 Stalin is one of the greatest leaders of all time. He attempted to destroy religion. He forced the weak to work on gulags to industrialized russia, ge stole food from people to afford supplies. The weak died and the strong defended the nation from a European attack. If Stalin didn't force gulags and steal food from the weak. The Germans would have destroyed russia. Perfect example of how the strong DOMINATE the weak and move on. Your theory of people staying togeather is true. But Stalin proves that's not the only way to create a strong nation. Amd since a God doesn't exist, he is 100% morally correct right?
Murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of another life. War isn't murder and stopping evil isn't genocide.
So are the pregnant women and children evil?
1 Samuel 15 orders the killing of infants.
Whenever I win a debate against a Christian they just tell me "you have to put your faith in our lord and savior Jesus".
The Word does all these things!
funny how religious people's book tend to bend the rules of their god when it convinient, like " oh, finaly god told us that it is ok to eat pig now, it has becomes clean " it is just like the peoples who were writting these books had to turn back on the commends because it was no longer practical.... hmmm
It's just like you have to create a straw man since you just want to be a petulant teenager perpetually rebelling against his father.
If you're a critical thinker who is interested in not only the answer to your question but a fundamental hermeneutic for the interpretation of the biblical scriptures, here it is:
The covenant with Moses and the Israel nation was a national constitution with laws that governed all arenas of life so that Israel might bring forth the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. It was the best constitution for governing people in history bar none but it offered no permanent solution to the sin of Israel - let alone the nations - and so sacrifice was annual with no prospect of ever ending. This established the need for a better covenant build upon better promises, which the prophets foresaw and attributed to the coming of messiah, and this is why Jesus came to cut the New Covenant with Israel. When the leaders of that Israel rejected Jesus, their rightful king, He sent His Jewish disciples who accepted this New Covenant out into the nations where the laws of the Mosaic covenant had no binding authority because said nations never accepted this Mosaic covenant, nor did the many gentile Christian converts. On the contrary, Christians - Jew and gentile alike - were instructed by Jesus to obey the laws of the respective nations so long as they did not demand disobedience to God. The good news about God's coming kingdom went from an external representation via the constitutional life of national Israel to a decentralised message written on the heart and proclaimed through the life of Christians.
So on the one hand, Christians - Jews and gentiles alike - who are by definition under the New Covenant are not required to keep the national constitutional laws of ancient Israel, nor could many of the laws be kept even if it were desired without the temple, a king, a Levitical priesthood and access to the land of Israel itself. Keep in mind that God was the one who issued the decree for the temple to be destroyed and the Jews to be scattered among the nations. The New Covenant was not just for ethnic Jews but for all people to be put into right relationship with God. On the other hand, many of the laws given by Moses were made far more demanding under the New Covenant established by Christ. It's no longer enough to just not murder someone; if you hate them, you have already murdered someone made in god's image in your heart. It's no longer enough to not commit adultery; if you have looked at a woman to lust after her you have already committed adultery with someone made in God's image in your heart. The requirement on the individual is more morally demanding and yet obedience is possible in relationship with Jesus no matter the nation a person finds themselves living in, be it the USA or North Korea. Christians can obey the laws of respective nations while showing the self-sacrificial love of Christ in their every action. Regarding food laws, God's design was never that man should eat animals but he allowed it for our benefit. This serves as an archetypical paradigm of why the Most High God allowed imperfect laws - such as that pertaining to divorce or slavery - in Israel's external national constitution. They were never to be eternal in nature and eventually, eternal laws would be established inwardly through the New Covenant.
In the Millennial reign, however, don't be surprised if all nations are expected to obey laws that resemble some of the more culturally alien laws that were a part of the Mosaic covenant. For example, the bible is clear that nations will send representatives to Jerusalem to pay tribute to King Jesus, otherwise rebellion will bring down environmental catastrophe on their lands. Likewise, sacrifices will be made at the temple in Zion, though no longer for sin.
The point of sometimes working on the Sabbath is because the day to take off work is for people, not for God. It’s just better for your mental health to take a day off once a week.
No. People who worked on the Sabbath were to be killed. And while Jesus does at one point claim (literal centuries afterwards in an obvious retcon) that it was given for the benefit of the people, that doesn't hold up to critical scrutiny. The god of the Old Testament is NOT a god who cares about some abstract "spirit" of the law over the actual letter of the law. Jesus tries to give an example of David and his men eating bread from the temple, but Jesus was evidently not familiar with the full context of that verse. In that particular story, David and his men requested bread from the priest. The priest said he had bread, but could only give it to people who were ritually pure. David assured the priest that he and his men took their mission so seriously that they were ritually pure even when they didn't have to be. So, in Jesus's own example of "spirit of the law vs letter of the law", it was still the letter of the law that won out.
Slavery in the OT in moasic law is more like an indentured servitude for 7 years with all debts cleared. As far as the beating of slave, I think thats more for if they treaspass against the master
It's called mental gymnastics.
“I have not come to abolish the law or prophets but to fulfill them.” Jesus said that right before the Sermon on the Mount. The law was for the hardest of hearts.
Read 1 Timothy 1:8-11. Paul clearly speaks against kidnapping people for selling as slaves (The ESV makes this the clearest), but not all slavery has been done that way. Some people seemed to think that Paul was encouraging Philemon to emancipate Onesimus but told slaves to obey their masters in some of his other letters because he wanted Christian slaves owned by unbelievers to refrain from revolting.
There's books written about the "pagan" gods too, so does that definitively prove their existence also?!
Umm... NO!
Those pagan gods never had songs in their scriptures, a logical origin point for creation, or proven prophecies.
@@justice8718
"A logical origin point for creation"??!!
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Like God just thinking everything into existence??!!
HOW IS THAT LOGICAL??!!
@@aisforapple2494 God is literally infinite. Finite things come from the infinite and the everlasting.
@@justice8718
What are you blathering about?
That had nothing to do with my statement. It provided no information or a rebuttal to said statement.
@@justice8718
Finite creations also create finite creations, so what's your point?
You claim God is eternal, but there's no evidence of that, or even His existence.
You believe that simply because "the Book says so".
#1, may God show you mercy, I wouldn't.
Thanks for making these videso :D
this this a fine example of why you have to read what was in the previous verse before you the other verse
For i am not a son of a man that i can lie or "change my mind" please explain that
Hi i'm a Bible believer, and admitting the bible is contradiactive is completely fine it's part of rational theology but it becomes a issue when biblical literalism and fundamentalism takes hold and rejects any notion of historical and scholarship evidence. I want to say to Light of the World your video is fantastic and really well put together.
Ok so real quick. Just a simple question, has anyone in the Bible says they’ve seen god’s face? Got your answers?
Well turns out depending on which book you read. Some say you’ll die if you do, others say that it is literally incomprehensible, others say that Moses saw, elders of Israel saw, others say that the punishment is death and a bunch of other people saw.
Moses didn’t see the father he saw the son, He was speaking to Jesus and that’s why he didn’t die
i wanted to ask about this one verse “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property" Exodus 21:20-21 , what is the context behind this verse and is it just to beat a slave till he's about to die and let him live and won't be punished ?
you have to see what is normal in this time, they hit people till they died all the time stoned them etc. this is against that
The Bible being contradictory doesn’t falsify God or His teachings anymore than someone writing contradictory things in your bibliography falsifies yourself.
That’s the thing is, they point out contradictions like doing “bad” things somehow makes a whole religion false.
If God is real, anything he does cannot be considered “bad” by us, because we don’t know more/are not morally more righteous than God.
If you define "good" as everything, God commands us to do or does himself, then a god, that would torture everyone forever in the most cruel way would still be omnibenevolent.
So no, I can't claim that God is bad by that definition. But I certainly can claim that he is bad by any reasonable definition.
All the answers are in the bible, different books answer these questions.
Please just read the bible. The answers are there.
God bless.
hold on i thought the bible wasn't up for interpretation. according to 2 peter 20-21 & everything was supposed to be accepted as is so now what?
The Point is: As Mario in the Game, you follow your programmed faith. Is Mario able to have an consciousness? If yes, could it be real or an ai ? Would Mario ever be able to detect his fake envoirement and get out of this whatever is?
But the problem if this is the argument, you have a choice you aren't controlled, you can do what ever you want wether it's right or wrong. Faith is what you believe and what you're confident in. Just like in this world you could hurt somebody or not, if you and I are programmed to do what is said to us to do, then how come we have choices?
As a programmer, i know Mario would start at A and finish at Z. Between them i would make many things, where he can choose between jumping and flying.
Also the programmer could give mario ai, so that mario could choose between the actions by himself. Of course it would be difficult to call this a game then. The thing is, he will always be a figure in the game, and will never pop up on your Desktop and ask you about the meaning of his being.
Also i guess (only assumed), this is a kind of a quaranäne project. The human is very dangerous. If he is free, he would take over several planets with beings which live in harmony and peace. Also i guess the ten commandments were the key. If someone is able to hold all of the ten commandments, this Human can live with other beings on different planets. This is only possible, if someone can hold all of the ten commandments. If you re honest, if you accept God, if you not lie, not steal, not kill, not look at others wifes and goods, you are able to live with other beings on other realms/planets.
If not, you have to reincarnate up to perfection. I believe God does not produce waste for which he has to burn it. He makes everything perfect as he has the Time for it
And dont forget, several things were running automatically. Sun, Lunar, Every living being gets up at day and sleeps at night. If you ask a programmer: he would explain a Programm as a thing which runs loops. Inside of this main loop, the programmer puts several little loops (mostly with: if then loops). Btw same is used for making music. So when you have understood this, you can see the bigger Picture
Kill is informal, and murder is formal! that the difference!😂😂😂😂😂😂
2:43 the day of rest was made because man needs to rest at least once every 7 days and because the body rest lest the spirit and the mind become lazy and easy prey to demons we are asked to pray in those days more than normal
It is simple. If you believe in God - do not kill in not under any conditions. Die, suffer, but believe in the kingdom of heaven. Amen!
Hi, i just wanted to say that your videos are really good, but I think you have to think about the titles of each video a little bit better before you post, that way you will reach to more people, regards!
I also severely question if these commands to kill everything and genocide where actually from God. Or were theu from Joshua who was speaking in Gofs place?
Who ordered the killings of an innocent infants, animals, women and children in the bible 1 samuel 15:1-3
Do you know why ?
@@robertrivers6803 stop asking me do you know why and explain it, if you really know it.
@@OmarJawo-tk8op I asked because I’m curious
@@OmarJawo-tk8op why bring it up if you can’t explain why the order was made
@@robertrivers6803 so let's call it evil because the women, children, infants and animals were not guilty...... even jesus christ cast out demons from someone and placed them on pigs, and this is very sad.
I am atheist, but I never try to disprove god, usually this topic come up when Christian or theist brought up Objective Moral values...
Most rational atheist don't believe Objective moral value and the best way to determine right and wrong (to be objective) is with a goal.
The goal of theist is to follow their god, that's why they think it's "Objective" but it's still subjective to their god preference.
While atheist is unorganized, like they're just people there's good and bad people in every believe.
But I am a humanist, the goal I am aiming for is making the thing we have now, is the best way to live, I believe with empathy, understanding and work towards understanding ourselves and the world will make the world better.