A Nice math OLYMPIAD exponential question, how to solve for 'm'

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  • A Nice math Olympiad exponential question. How to solve for 'm'. #matholympiadproblem #exponential #math #education #mathcompetition

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  • @mrjnutube
    @mrjnutube 2 месяца назад +3

    Three words: beauty with brains...
    For me, I was constrained for time, therefore I took a direct substitution:
    let 3^m=x^2; 2^m=y^2
    x^2-y^2=65
    (x+y)(x-y)=13*5
    x+y=13
    x-y=5
    ------------
    2x=18
    x=9
    y=4
    ----------
    Recall:
    3^m=x^2 2^m=y^2
    3^m=9^2=(3^2)^2 2^m=4^2=(2^2)^2
    3^m=3^4 2^m=2^4
    m=4 m=4

    • @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel
      @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel  2 месяца назад

      Nice one

    • @mawavoy
      @mawavoy Месяц назад

      @@mrjnutube , this video is not meant for a person at your mathematical level. It’s meant to help high school students who, most likely, are not yet that strong at substitution.

  • @gondaimoyana2691
    @gondaimoyana2691 2 месяца назад +10

    This lady is just taking chances in Mathematics! 65 has 4 factors which are 1; 5; 13 and 65, therefore, the two possibilities of getting 65 is either 1x65 or 5x13. Why did she choose only 5x13 and not 1x65 too? Was she not supposed to apply both possibilities? Who knows that this would maybe yield two possible values of m? Also, she easoned that a+b is greater than a-b, how does she know that? What if b is negative, will that not make a-b greater than a+b? 😅

    • @siyoumabreha3721
      @siyoumabreha3721 2 месяца назад +3

      Please remember that b=2^m/2 meaning b can't be -very number. Bcs the base is +ve.

    • @geo-oye-oliken
      @geo-oye-oliken Месяц назад +1

      @@gondaimoyana2691 What is your point? Take it for what it is please. Her back substitutions solved the equation. Your other factors as mentioned are inconsequential for this level!!!

  • @user-kc4kj5cj3b
    @user-kc4kj5cj3b 2 месяца назад +3

    Very good teaching

  • @yvesdelombaerde5909
    @yvesdelombaerde5909 2 месяца назад +9

    Thank you for the strategy. My tactics: 3^m must be >65 let’s try m=4. 81-16=65. Stop

    • @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel
      @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel  2 месяца назад

      Thanks

    • @jorgepinonesjauch8023
      @jorgepinonesjauch8023 2 месяца назад +1

      Evidentemente el tanteo no siempre es posible, en este caso fue fácil, ahora bien se debería probar, que no existen otras soluciones

    • @selvamd8861
      @selvamd8861 2 месяца назад

      Strategic solutions

  • @jan-willemreens9010
    @jan-willemreens9010 2 месяца назад +2

    ... A very interesting solution strategy, executed in a pleasant and well-structured way ... thank you JJ for your always instructive presentations and take good care, Jan-W 🎉

  • @PeaceWithYourNeighbour
    @PeaceWithYourNeighbour 22 дня назад +2

    Use logarithm, take log of both sides of the equation.
    log3^m - log2^m = log65
    mlog3 - mlog2 = log65
    m(log3 - log2) = log65
    m = log65/(log3 - log2)

    • @billybarzac4526
      @billybarzac4526 22 дня назад

      @PeaceWithYourNeighbour m =log 65/(log 3-log 2), implica que m=10.295...
      log 3^m - log 2^m, aplica si se tiene*log (3^m/2^m)* ya que es la propiedad de el *logaritmo de un cociente*, log (a/b) es igual a *log a - log b*, y en ningún renglón de la resolución, aparece que 2^m divida a 3^m, es decir (3^m/2^m) no es posible que sea parte de la resolución.

    • @robsonmbanje
      @robsonmbanje 10 дней назад

      Wrong.you applied log term by term to the left handside instead of applying it once.it is suppose to be log(3^m-2^m) =log 65 and this will not give a solution

  • @bamlaktesfa4198
    @bamlaktesfa4198 2 месяца назад +2

    I like you and your short, logical and precise method !

  • @AgboJeremiah-g3w
    @AgboJeremiah-g3w 2 месяца назад +1

    You did well by trying to make them appear as difference of two squares. Mathematics is all about manipulation. Thanks

  • @minhhainguyen2671
    @minhhainguyen2671 2 месяца назад +1

    Beautiful teacher, Beautiful solution.

  • @sohaib_mer-
    @sohaib_mer- 2 месяца назад +2

    great vid

  • @chikeawuzie7493
    @chikeawuzie7493 8 дней назад

    I know a good teacher when I see one. You are a good teacher with a patient heart. You're humble too. I am like that too. That's why I was able to recognize you, instantly. I will start following you, asap

  • @francisamewode233
    @francisamewode233 5 дней назад

    Beautiful math tutor

  • @ShimelesTeacher
    @ShimelesTeacher 2 месяца назад +1

    Very clear and very helpful .

  • @gyakoo
    @gyakoo Месяц назад +3

    why do I feel this is pure luck/special case and wont' work in the general case...
    As a transcendental equation, you can't (in general) make algebraic manipulations to solve for 'm'.
    Good ideas though (finding the differences of squares and finding factors 3*15 that work for this case)

  • @Brocambro1
    @Brocambro1 Месяц назад +1

    Actually, she posed the problem as a theorem to be demonstrated, and she went about using axioms, and previous known algebra integer properties of exponentials to demonstrate, and one has to have previous knowledge of those basics to understand her that's why a primary school children won't understand what her solution means because those materials are tought in 5,6,7 grade level depending of a country curriculum. What I mean mathematics are a building bloc science, you need to learn arithmetic to get to algebra, trigonometry, and geometry come in to help with spacial understanding, before moving on to more complex stuffs like integrals, derivatives and so on, if you skip one area you definitely going to have an acute problem understanding the next steps.

  • @youngdkout
    @youngdkout 2 месяца назад +1

    Good job my darling teacher

  • @success7707
    @success7707 2 месяца назад

    Add Equation 1 to equation 2
    You get 2a=18
    a=9.
    Substraction will complicate the solution compare with adding specially for beginers.although yr solution by subtracting is correct

  • @geo-oye-oliken
    @geo-oye-oliken Месяц назад +2

    Good job. I like your approach and the step by step you showed to solve the problem. However, In the advanced algebra, there is a closed form solution without the long steps.

  • @bienvenuquentingounoumound5342
    @bienvenuquentingounoumound5342 Месяц назад +1

    Great job 🎉

  • @olayinkaadeleye3134
    @olayinkaadeleye3134 2 месяца назад +1

    Elegant solution.

  • @haroldgabriel8767
    @haroldgabriel8767 9 дней назад +1

    Lady: you are a good teacher and a bright mathematician. If I was a bit younger and if you are not married yet,... i would request a date. Anyway... power to you.

  • @thatayaonelekhutlile834
    @thatayaonelekhutlile834 Месяц назад

    Very clear and logical method of solving this problem. Thank you

  • @elmhadizouheir9295
    @elmhadizouheir9295 Месяц назад +1

    3*m- 2*m= 65 =81_16=3×3×3×3-2×2×2×2
    = 3*4 - 2*4
    m=4

  • @user-ic8nx9fy9c
    @user-ic8nx9fy9c 2 месяца назад

    Waouh Excellente thanks you .

  • @user-ed4vk3wi8m
    @user-ed4vk3wi8m 18 дней назад

    Thank you so much my lady. Ladies of nowadays think that maths are only for men, buy u're just proving them that you ladies have capacity of knowing it. But I have one quetion, I love it ❤

  • @richardokoth6047
    @richardokoth6047 Месяц назад

    Factors of 65 are 5x13, 1x65 and of course the negative integers which will not give solutions to m
    For factors of 1x65
    a = 33, b = 32 which gives additional value of m

  • @kadavet4767
    @kadavet4767 7 дней назад

    Good😊

  • @professormaurice9311
    @professormaurice9311 2 месяца назад +2

    It would be easier by trial and error.

  • @alexanderkorotkov1760
    @alexanderkorotkov1760 2 месяца назад +1

    a=33, b=32, a-b=1, a+b=65

  • @xystusadizuaojadi1691
    @xystusadizuaojadi1691 22 дня назад

    You are a superb master. Keep it up
    .

  • @naldayaknanmiri
    @naldayaknanmiri 2 месяца назад +2

    Ma can you please make a video on calcus , from the scratch. We are suffering to understand it in this 100 level as Nigeria students in university.

    • @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel
      @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel  2 месяца назад +1

      Ok noted

    • @naldayaknanmiri
      @naldayaknanmiri 2 месяца назад

      Thank you ma . That will help us a lot.

    • @bentleybogle27
      @bentleybogle27 2 месяца назад

      Aren't there other solutions that you could get by factorising 65 as (65)(1) , (1)(65), (13)(5) and even 2 negative factors?

    • @bentleybogle27
      @bentleybogle27 2 месяца назад

      I like how you made it manageable by expressing it as the difference of 2 squares.

    • @MaArt-k5u
      @MaArt-k5u 2 месяца назад

      ​@@bentleybogle27 she made huge assumptions.

  • @sudaannafar9085
    @sudaannafar9085 2 месяца назад +1

    Thank you so much.

  • @elacerda2008
    @elacerda2008 2 месяца назад +1

    Perfect.😀

  • @marcgriselhubert3915
    @marcgriselhubert3915 Месяц назад

    *If m3^x - 2^x, for x>0
    f'(x) = (3^x).(ln(3)) - (2^x).(ln(2)) >0 (as 3^x > 2^x > 0
    and ln(3) > ln(2) > 0), so f strictly increases on R+*
    It means that if the equation f(x) = 65 has a solution then this solution is unique on R+*
    4 is evident solution, so this is the only solution of the given equation.

  • @cliveanawana5289
    @cliveanawana5289 2 месяца назад

    JJ nne, that is a good one. Keep it up. Lovely mode of deriving the solution.

  • @jansmotlacha1077
    @jansmotlacha1077 2 месяца назад +1

    Your solution is correct, but you must first prove that m is even. Otherwise, you have to consider odd m as well, then m = n+1 and the decomposition has the form (3^n*sqrt(3) + 2^n*sqrt(2))*(3^n*sqrt(3) - 2^n*sqrt(2)) = 65. You must prove that this has no solution for any n. Although this is not the case, the factors don't have to necessarily be integers. For example, think how you would solve 3^m - 2^m = 211.

    • @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel
      @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel  2 месяца назад

      Ok. Thanks

    • @ifeanyianuka6835
      @ifeanyianuka6835 2 месяца назад

      Why exactly should she prove that m is even? She was solving for me. Also, you solve as the occasion requires in mathematics, when you have 65, just consider the integer factors. You shouldn’t be worried about what happens when it’s a number like 211. Most times when these questions are presented, the numbers given have been selected to arrive at such junctions.

    • @jansmotlacha1077
      @jansmotlacha1077 2 месяца назад

      @@ifeanyianuka6835 In the case 211, the exponent is 5 which is odd case, and as I showed, in such a case the factors are not integers - they include square roots. Regarding odd m in case 65 - you can say that you found one solution (for even m) and another solution does not exist, but, at least you must explain why only 1 solution exist (it is true but - WHY).

  • @issacangra5692
    @issacangra5692 2 месяца назад

    Great job. Keep spreading it.

  • @godot-lee
    @godot-lee Месяц назад +1

    m(=^)= 1 --> 3^ - 2^= 1
    m= 2 --> 3^-2^= 5
    m= 3 --> 3^-2^= 23
    m= 4 --> 3^-2^= 65
    m= 5 --> 3^-2^= 211

  • @user-ic8nx9fy9c
    @user-ic8nx9fy9c 2 месяца назад

    Merci excellente explication grand merci madame ❤❤❤❤👍👋👋👋

  • @sylvanuskouekla8894
    @sylvanuskouekla8894 2 месяца назад +1

    The left side is an increasing function, so only one solution. You try m equals 1, 2, 3, 4

  • @samuelhughes289
    @samuelhughes289 2 месяца назад +1

    First of all 3 & 2 are not a common and breaking down 65 into powers of numbers will not have a coefficient of 3 or 2. Why don't you just take log of the same bases to reverse the equation.

  • @sureshkar1547
    @sureshkar1547 2 месяца назад

    Super solution MOM, (India)

  • @FrisgardJean-Baptiste
    @FrisgardJean-Baptiste Месяц назад +2

    I don't think 5 and 13 are the only factors that can give us 65. 1×65=?
    Why do you skip this part?

    • @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel
      @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel  Месяц назад

      By inspection, those two can't be the solution just like by inspection, you can bring out the roots of a quadratic equation out of so many factors

  • @magdiragheb8087
    @magdiragheb8087 Месяц назад

    3^m-2^m=81-16=3^4-2^4 -> m=4

  • @drissourraoui6299
    @drissourraoui6299 20 дней назад

    How can you be sure that 3^^m/2 and 2^^m/2 are both integers ?

  • @oladipupovictorayodeji
    @oladipupovictorayodeji 9 дней назад

    There are more than one case
    Case 1
    a-b = 1 and a+b = 65
    Case 2
    a-b = 5 and a+b = 13
    These should be the cases

  • @rashidalshipani
    @rashidalshipani 9 дней назад

    Congratulations

  • @attica7980
    @attica7980 Месяц назад

    The solution in the video is arrived at via several unewarranted assumptions, such as 3^(m/2) and 2^(m/2) are integers; no such assumption is necessary. One can start with noticing that
    3^m-2^m is an increasing function of the real variable m; hence the equation can have at most one solution. Then one can observe that we have 3

    • @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel
      @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel  Месяц назад

      . Thanks for your suggestions but you are just doing trial and error. Show your workings

    • @attica7980
      @attica7980 Месяц назад

      @@JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel It is trial and error, but I efficiently localize the solution. This is all you can do -- your approach is conceptually flawed.

  • @stephena-r9280
    @stephena-r9280 Месяц назад

    That method only works when RHS is a prime number... Simply take logarithms to base 10 on both sides of the equation ASAT.

  • @19sherif
    @19sherif 2 месяца назад +1

    You should have mentioned that (m) belongs to natural numbers! Can you solve the same problem if you replace 65 by 60?

  • @bockariebrimatuba6865
    @bockariebrimatuba6865 17 дней назад

    I appreciate your effort

  • @ajokaefi
    @ajokaefi 2 месяца назад

    JJ , ... dont pay attention to the HATERS (they only know how to hate) keep doing this for LOVE ...

  • @GuyDedje
    @GuyDedje 2 месяца назад +2

    I would get everything if you were my teacher....

  • @perffeto
    @perffeto 19 дней назад

    Very good

  • @duanefisher2709
    @duanefisher2709 2 месяца назад

    Perfect! Thank you.

  • @sellamimohamed6492
    @sellamimohamed6492 2 месяца назад

    Good and well done...

  • @rui2565
    @rui2565 2 месяца назад

    It is a clever solution. Thank you!

  • @markcarter6333
    @markcarter6333 Месяц назад

    Everyone with alternative solutions needs to show it.
    Let your solutions do the talking... 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲

  • @deniskessiekiiza769
    @deniskessiekiiza769 Месяц назад

    You are great

  • @gcinumuzixaba8455
    @gcinumuzixaba8455 26 дней назад

    Excellent!

  • @lamusat
    @lamusat 2 месяца назад

    Great job. Please keep it up!

  • @Denz4real
    @Denz4real 21 день назад

    Beautiful 🥰, you are the best

  • @moisesgustavodazcarbajal2741
    @moisesgustavodazcarbajal2741 2 месяца назад +1

    OK, it was easy to solve cause 65 is a number factorized by two numbers, it is not so easy when a number can be factorized with more than two numbers or there is a prime number equating the algebraical expresion. So you have to probe if there are more solutions too. Greetings from Mexico.

  • @alguste6708
    @alguste6708 19 дней назад +1

    Wao! I’m in love! ❤ pretty & Intellectuel woman!

  • @duncanjohn6786
    @duncanjohn6786 26 дней назад

    Impressive lesson

  • @burnettblake1472
    @burnettblake1472 18 дней назад

    You make the simplest thing looks difficult .That's why people are afraid of mathematics

  • @RachidOUBRAHIM-z9p
    @RachidOUBRAHIM-z9p 2 месяца назад +1

    Vous avez oublié le cas a=65 et b=1 et vice versa

  • @kenitra.west.6389
    @kenitra.west.6389 2 месяца назад

    Thank you.

  • @user-bo5xq1by7g
    @user-bo5xq1by7g 2 месяца назад

    Merci pour votre démonstrations mathématique logique.....
    ....

  • @vladimirrasvan6352
    @vladimirrasvan6352 8 дней назад

    It should have been precised from the beginning that only the solution in integers is requested.

  • @Haredow
    @Haredow Месяц назад

    Amazing

  • @carlosfrei7318
    @carlosfrei7318 2 месяца назад

    Observen que 65 tiene sólo dos factores posibles 5 y 13 ... esa circunstancia da la posibilidad de aplicar el método propuesto.
    GOOD

  • @jagadiswarchakraborty295
    @jagadiswarchakraborty295 2 месяца назад

    Happened to see the video through out. However the beginning of the equation is the key.

  • @mdzamiruddin9560
    @mdzamiruddin9560 2 месяца назад

    Many many thanks mam.

  • @moonwatcher2001
    @moonwatcher2001 2 месяца назад

    Excellent ❤

  • @mikeyu3243
    @mikeyu3243 2 месяца назад +2

    let m=4, wow, m=4, end of solution

  • @lornawilliams550
    @lornawilliams550 Месяц назад

    Easier to add equations 1 and 2 to eliminate b
    Luckily 65 has just two factors. Suppose your number has several factors or it is prime?

  • @user-kj4im2rs5e
    @user-kj4im2rs5e Месяц назад +1

    Why subtract equation 2 from equation 1 when you can just add them so that 2a =18 and a =9

  • @user-bk6gx7sg3j
    @user-bk6gx7sg3j 9 дней назад +1

    You took one unknown and replaced it with two unknowns. Unfortunately, since you have one equation, you removed the certainty in the solution, and replaced it with speculation, unless you can prove that 5 and 13 are the only factors of 65. Unfortunately, 65 and 1 are also factors....

    • @AdetunmiseAgbakosi
      @AdetunmiseAgbakosi День назад

      Exactly, why not just use logarithm.
      This looks assumpsive.

  • @yuval483
    @yuval483 7 дней назад

    to be honest (beyond the math):"love you".

  • @tomvitale3555
    @tomvitale3555 2 месяца назад +1

    Something didn't seem right when you said (a-b)(a+b)=5x13. From that you inferred (a-b)=5 and (a+b)=13. What if you said (a-b)(a+b)=2x32.5, thus (a-b)=2 and (a+b)=32.5? Or (a-b)(a+b)=sqrt(65)*sqrt(65), i.e., (a-b)=sqrt(65), (a+b)=sqrt(65)? Etc, etc, etc.

    • @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel
      @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel  2 месяца назад

      Thanks so much for your contribution. Please kindly drop your solution as well.

    • @tomvitale3555
      @tomvitale3555 2 месяца назад

      @@JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel If you considering all real solutions, there are an infinite amount of them. In this case, let p x q = 65. Then (a-b)(a+b)=pq, and using your method to solve for a and b, (a-b)=p and(a+b)=q you get a=(p+q)/2 and b=(q-p)/2. Of course, if you're just considering integer answers, for p/q you could have 5/13, 13/5, 1/65, 65/1, -1/-65, -13/-5, etc.

    • @Ibrahimwodiali
      @Ibrahimwodiali 2 месяца назад

      How can (a-b)(a+b) be sqrt(65)*sqrt(65)? According to your argument (a-b) gives me sqrt(65) and yet (a+b) would also give me the same sqrt(65)?

    • @tomvitale3555
      @tomvitale3555 2 месяца назад

      @@Ibrahimwodiali Yes, I get your point, but what I'm saying is that the choice of 5 x 13 is arbitrary. Why not 13 x 5? Why not -5 x -13? There are an infinite amount of ways that the product of 2 factors can equal 65. And if you are just considering integer values, what about 1 x 65?

  • @mawavoy
    @mawavoy Месяц назад +1

    She didn’t guess the factors . Since 65 ends in 5 divide by 5 gives 13. Both 5 and 13 are prime numbers

    • @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel
      @JJONLINEMATHSCLASSchannel  Месяц назад

      Thanks so much

    • @lagazofamily
      @lagazofamily Месяц назад

      She did guess the factors of 65! What about 10*6.5, 100*.65, 8 * 65/8, … There are infinite number of factors if you involve rational and irrational numbers. Furthermore, using the method of quadratic equations can be used if one side of the equation is 0. One side is 65, therefore that’s not the proper way.

    • @mawavoy
      @mawavoy Месяц назад

      @@lagazofamily , the way the problem is structured, integer solutions are expected. Following your line of reasoning, of the infinite number of factors she just happened to guess the only non-one and itself pair of integers. The probability of that is 1/ infinity.

    • @lagazofamily
      @lagazofamily Месяц назад +1

      @@mawavoy How did you know that integer solution is expected? If I give you a very similar problem like 7^x - 5^x = 91, the way you’re solving the problem won’t hold for this. I’m not saying that your answer is incorrect but the way you’re doing it is non-standard.

    • @mawavoy
      @mawavoy Месяц назад

      @@lagazofamily , the problem didn’t say otherwise, and I know the integer factors for 65.. They come up all the time in high school and years 1 and two of college mathematics.

  • @yotkirui2228
    @yotkirui2228 2 месяца назад

    Brilliant

  • @hameedmziri7391
    @hameedmziri7391 Месяц назад

    ممكن ان نكتب 65=65*1 وبذلك نحصل على
    a+b=65
    a_b=1
    وعليه هل نستطيع اكمال الحل بنفس الطريقه ?….

  • @youngdkout
    @youngdkout 2 месяца назад

    Good afternoon my darling maths teacher

  • @PeterZhiri-im6rs
    @PeterZhiri-im6rs 25 дней назад

    Good one

  • @elalaouimhamdi3367
    @elalaouimhamdi3367 Месяц назад +1

    We are another solutions because 65=1.65

  • @paulolemosmessias9460
    @paulolemosmessias9460 2 месяца назад

    Congratulations. ❤

  • @Alexsakala2023
    @Alexsakala2023 Месяц назад

    Interesting powerful 😜!

  • @Xkwizit_P
    @Xkwizit_P 2 месяца назад

    Was really curious to see how you were going to do it. Well done!

  • @abdulhusseinalsultani9222
    @abdulhusseinalsultani9222 2 месяца назад

    65 is between 64 and 81=3^4
    3^4_2^4=81_16=65 answer

  • @simataasusiku4662
    @simataasusiku4662 25 дней назад

    Great indeed

  • @umutklc2182
    @umutklc2182 2 месяца назад +1

    This is way too easy. Find m for 2^m + 3^m = 40…

  • @archanabansal9271
    @archanabansal9271 2 месяца назад

    Mam you can also solve it by hit and trial method.
    Love from India
    Edit-Mam you make very brilliant videos.
    i want to ask that from which country does you belong.

  • @narsinhapotdar7215
    @narsinhapotdar7215 19 дней назад

    good

  • @aaoivashchenko6958
    @aaoivashchenko6958 2 месяца назад

    You did not check for possible roots when m below 0. Possibly they are none, but you should have proved it.

  • @stateofthenation9566
    @stateofthenation9566 2 месяца назад

    It is getting more complex than expected.

  • @restablex
    @restablex 2 месяца назад +15

    Sorry I dont buy your method. You are guessing the factors.
    So why not guessing a power of 3 higher than 65? The lowest one is 81 = 3^4
    Then 81 - 65 = 16 = 2^4.
    This is also guessing but faster, easier and direct.

  • @consommableechographiealge8418
    @consommableechographiealge8418 14 дней назад

    m=4. i found it mentally in 5 seconds witout using any calculator or pen.

  • @nikolayguzman331
    @nikolayguzman331 2 месяца назад

    This exponential question you can find at least of 10 different videos, And where is Olympiad? 3< m= 65 3^5>>65 m=4