@@arabesquejacob8176 True this is a bad marriage. I'm not gonna settle for marriage like this. Better to wait than to have this. There's still rare individuals who can give you loyalty and faithfulness. But well, they deserve each other because they're desame. HAHA.
Yes, Carole, it's unfortunate but is a true assessment. I'm so sorry this happened. I have never been married and am now up in age [and still have hope], so I don't know what it is like but I have most certainly been hurt in relationships when I was dating back ions ago. I Love that they were both vulnerable and willing to share their life with us, so very grateful, and absolutely Love them both for weathering the storm of life together. God Bless them Both!
Adopting her weird idea of doing what she wants when she wants doesn't seem to be working for Will. Wish he'd get counseling to realize he can stand up as the man & let her go on her own way without him .. she's doing that anyway but he's stuck and trying to look like he's in agreement.
I'm not sure if I'd call it masculinity. Seems to me to be more basic - feeling secure in intimacy and your role as a partner. It can be that that might take the form of some common notion of "masculinity", such as the protective macho, but it really just serves the purpose of anchoring your own identity within your family.
Its interesting to me that they say they were separated when her relationship with August happened but noone ever hears that. They were still married but separated and Will may have had his own entanglements but it just didn't come to the lime light.
Dr. Honda, I think the salacious part was the fact that August came into their home as Jaden's friend who had mental health and substance abuse issues. I think most people are uncomfortable with Jada's role change from mother figure to lover. It's hitting a "predator" nerve with people (myself included). I admit that I have a bias because I have a hard rule that I will never date anyone I could've given birth to.
You summed this up so well. I think August was also blackballed a bit within the industry from rumours of his "affair" with Jada circling and people seeing that as disrespect to Will, I feel really bad for him in this entire situation. It sounds like he was hurt personally and professionally and the person who the hurt came from just went on the internet and repeatedly called what to him was a very pivotal relation an entanglement.
This is a TOTALLY valid argument, and i love that dating rule. But as far as I was seeing online most people just thought Jada was cheating and Will was hurt. Real issues like this rarely matter to the majority :/
@@reginayfavors There is huge difference (both legally and morally) between a teacher sleeping with her 12-13 year old, sixth grade student and a 42-year-old woman sleeping with a 21-year-old.
I actually tear up every time Dr. Honda ends with “please take care of yourself because you deserve it”. I’m starting to believe it myself. Thank you Dr. Honda for all that you do!
Good for you! I remember tearing up when people said i should think about myself that way. The general culture and our own inner voice says otherwise, constantly.
I agree. I also hate she said it felt good to heal. She didnt heal August. He came to her broken and was dismissed even more broken because of her actions.
Entanglement is a relationship that has a lot of issues. She may not have been trying to minimize it per say but trying to actually describe their relationship
I find it funny that the Therapist was mostly focused on Jada, praising what Jada's saying, but didn't notice the pain and sarcasm in Will's face. 😂 But what do I know, I'm just an anonymous person in the comments.
Chrysses, you make an excellent point. But why do you make the point and then immediately desparage or lessen it? There is no such thing as the expert. Everybody has their own sharp insights, as valid as anyone else's.
@@brendaannedufaur6244 Well, that is because, I've been told several times that I'm not an expert or what do I know, or that I don't know what it's like etc. so I just want to clarify in advance that what I'm saying is based on what I've observed and not based on any expertise or degrees, in case my "expertise" gets questioned. =)
@@brendaannedufaur6244 what a great comment. Sometimes we “normal” folk defer to the “experts” even though we may have more insight. Don’t shortchange yourself!!
I think that most people miss one point: the fact that he is so hurt, doesnt mean that he hasn't done the same and possibly multiple times, but he had a public image to mantain. We saw part of the less public image at the Oscars.
I wonder if she ever said to Will, "I am sorry. I made a huge mistake & I hurt you. Will you be able to forgive me?" This sounds like she is making a lot of excuses for her actions. She sounds like she is rationalising her actions to make herself feel better, but it is clearly hurting Will.
I agree she is making excuses . Saying entanglement and really not taking responsibility for what she did to Will. And laughing and joking around it's not funny. You have a husband Jada and Kids you should have thought of before going outside of your marriage .
Imagine if Will tried to “counsel & heal” one of Willow’s friends and ended up piping her, bet this situation would be totally different. There would be no funny memes, there would’ve been outrage and Will’s career would be over.
Okay, but that didn’t happen, so this hypothetical situation doesn’t matter. If anything, there are people encouraging him to cheat, and praising him if he did so. Also, August was 23 with a mind of his own, not some underage boy. You’d be surprised how many men in Hollywood has done grimy things with younger women, and they are still loved and has a career.
Still doesn't make it right. He was the same age as Trey, her stepson, who she was a second mother to. I just don't see how she overlooked that similarity... she obviously has an issue. No it isn't funny and yes she should be held to the same standard.
@@joewill9967 you don't really know what exactly happened in their relationship, they will not tell everything. We don't see their emotions when that happend but only intellectual discussion about it
@@lookhowshegobbledthat I was married and split up, most likely heading for divorce when my wife at the time hooked up with another dude. Yes we were separated but we were still married, that meant something to me. It didn't to her. That caused a lot of pain. Will might be feeling the same
After A Long Night Of Hooking well, based on your own insight, your perception of separation is also irrelevant. What you believe is and isn’t acceptable during separation might not be what Will and Jada agreed was acceptable within their marriage and separation. We have to accept that individuals get to make individual beliefs and opinions about their own standards, right?
This is what happens when we look for "healing" and "completeness" from someone else...from personal experience I find it very helpful to spend time alone, to be absolutely single and on your own instead of always relying on someone else for happiness...yes relationships/marriages can be messy but I wanna be sure that I know myself and where my happiness lies so I don't hurt myself and anyone else in the process...
HAHAHAHAHHAHAH LOLOLOLOLLOLOLL YA, no big deal. Will Smith is obviously ok with it all. He's a model for masculinity because his words agree with Jada; just don't look at his face.
“August” was introduced to the Smith family by Will & Jada’s son, Jadan. So, August was Jada’s son’s friend. Essentially JADA HAD AN AFFAIR WITH HER SON’s FRIEND. That is twisted & dysfunctional as hell. Please Analyze that Doctor. What kind of mother has a sexual relationship with their child’s friend?
This is from so long ago….he doesn’t keep up on salacious gossip. He even said he doesn’t know anything about them, and only knows their story from this convo that has been orchestrated by Will and Jada themselves. He has a legit practice and career as an academic.
I think on its face without the context you provided this looks fine and dandy. Very emotionally mature. However, if he knew the context he might have a completely different take.
I think people may be projecting a little with that and what they’ve been able to stand in their relationships; and with how they feel about August’s statements and how they were introduced to/wrapped in that first, coloring any response after. For people who already felt very strongly about what August said initially and felt that way still when this Red Table ep came out, I don’t think there was really anything she could have said to make her and Will look “positive” at the end of this. As someone who did feel strongly about August and then thought about it more, and kind of neutraled out a bit, the talk b/w Will and Jada was actually a lot different than what I expected from what I heard beforehand on social media. I was expecting a real heaviness/intensity/palpable hurt and I didn’t really feel any of that. They looked to me the same as always. It does feel that they most likely have moved on from this in their marriage, but I can see both sides with how this clearly still affects August.
If a middle aged man had a fling with a sick 23 year old woman who was mentored by him and then got back with his wife, I think the reaction would be a bit different. It seems like an unhealthy power dynamic. All she's talking about is how great she was for "helping him" when in reality it sounds like she used him.
I don’t know much about the situation but from this video I don’t think that’s what Jada was saying at all. I think she was trying to say that it FELT great to be able to help someone not that it WAS great. She was acknowledging that she used that relationship or “entanglement” to try to heal her internal wounds. She seemed very open and mature about the fact that that wasn’t the right move.
In both situations I'd feel sympathy for everyone involved, more so for the younger person, but still for both. I don't think the older person in these situations is always maliciously and intentionally taking advantage, it's just that relationships are messy and sometimes lines blur when that isn't the intention, particularly if one or both people have past traumas. I just find it hard to judge Jada too harshly when it's a situation I could see myself getting involved in, as either the younger or older person in the relationship. I do think she was too dismissive of what the relationship was, so as to protect her reputation and not start shit with Will.
And hurt him plus her husband but i see no remorse, no empathy or compassion for their pain in her selfish desires!!! She didn't apologise to either and she is stuck solely on herself. Pointing herself as the victim and would be hero all throughout this. She is a villain!!! Those two men are the victims!!!
No judgement. Whether you are a public figure or not many married couples have had the same situation and not mature or mentally developed enough to be honest with their spouse and deal with the situation that works for them if they want to stay together.
@@lynnkitchen8252 yes marriage is very hard..my husband and I of 28 yrs definitely had our pitfalls...most ppl can't even maintain a 1 yr relationship... But Im still going to say my sons cute sexy friends better not asked for any counseling, mentorship, advice..NOTHING...LOL
As for the “humor” demonstrated by Will and Jada especially at the end I’m surprised the therapist didn’t recognize the rage that they have towards one another was being masked (poorly) by the humor. I mean Will literally said he wants to get revenge at Jada and Jada said “You already did”. These are not people that have resolved their issues.
Also, Will is the consummate actor, highly intelligent and a man. Men GENERALLY don't like speaking about emotions, especially publicly. Note how he mainly listened and how his comments were short and to the point - he didn't delve into his emotions at all. I agree this soundbite does not reflect their true feelings very much at all.
The therapist was extremely sympathetic towards Jada. It's interesting to see how different perspectives can be. He saw the laughing and "joking" as wonderful and warm, I saw it as just plain toxic like when people use humor to deflect pain. There was nothing funny about it im sure. Not that we have a degree in psychology, but sometimes we just get a feeling, and know through experiences as well.
@@thatswhatshesaid3126 It's not the first time this therapist has shown really shocking ignorance of the real dynamics - to the point of siding with really manipulative and abusive people against the person they're abusing. A therapist who can't recognise manipulative people is horrendous. I feel sorry for the partners and children of narcissist clients of his.... because you know they convinced him that they are the real victim and the true victim is in fact the bully and the abuser 😑
@@cosmicmuffin322 I’m still barely in the first 2 mins of this particular video, but I agree with you about his channel overall. Dr. Honda can be incredibly insightful, but there are also some WILDLY missed/misinterpreted/mis-speculated problematic moments in his videos. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and lots of natural slack too, especially if I’m unfamiliar with full details of personality/experiences/case history. And when examining only one piece of info in a vacuum (like this one Red Table Talk), I tend to be even more conservative in my judgments and more overcompensatory in my allowances for a person. But the contempt Will displayed was *open* and abundant throughout the entire video, and yes, 90% of the laughter was to mask discomfort. And his idea that Will doesn’t feel his masculinity has been threatened seems not just unlikely, but incongruous with Will’s entire attitude. He is a man scorned. “Wonderful modeling,” though. “An affair with your son’s bestie is just a bump in the road in your marriage, hey, these things happen :)”
Too much of the back story is missing like August was her son's friend and she was his mentor and the 20 year age difference. If I didn't know any of that then I would agree with the reaction
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 i also think if they both agreed to seeing other people they would have either said that in this red table talk and not even that but will wouldn’t look as hurt as he did 🤷🏾♀️ i dunno if august was there to get help thats how it should have ended, i feel like she took advantage of august’s situation because let’s be honest did she think of anyone else other than herself? That’s her son’s friend even if she didn’t care for Will’s feelings, HER SON’S feelings should at least stopped her from doing what she did. Because not only did she hurt Will she ruined a friendship between her son and his friend.
Don't forget August was their son's friend and is only a couple of years older than their son. I wonder how Jaden feels about his Mom sleeping with his friend.
So she used a young, unstable person, who came to her for help, to make herself feel "good again" 🤔 There's a word for that.. and it's not 'entanglement '
She tells the story her way. Controls it completely. He gets no genuine input and is only allowed to try to sooth her. Can a therapist never see the onesidedness of this interaction. So tragic.
Oh because you’re the expert. Lol. The narrative of the conversation was Jada explaining her involvement with the man who went public about their relationship. It was not about Will. They were separated amicably as they stated and the therapist mentioned. Will was off doing his own thing. You want to know where penis was? Why are people so dumb and quick to latch on to just oh she had sex and Will ok’d it?
@@jevonk Everything you said was Jada's words NOT Will's, So that amicably separation was what Jada said. So that "you're the expert. Lol." Is YOUR assessment, Your bias for Jada is REAL LOUD/CLEAR👀....Got it!👍🏽
Something is wrong with Jada... she seems to keep falling in love with other men and speaking passionately about them in her husbands presence. That’s weird as hell. It seems like she don’t really care about nobody feelings but her own.
Her husband sat down to have an open conversation with her. Being truthful was expected. The truth isn't always pretty but how can it be dealt with if it's never brought to light?
That's why she's always quick to regurgitate those old ass stories about her & 2Pac. It makes her feel relevant. She knows deep inside, she ain't sh!t without Will. And she resents him for it. And he's so determined not to have another failed marriage, that he overlooks it. But you can tell he's HURT.
@@MolyBDenum-lh3wy interpretation can be dangerous, we don't know anything. Things might not always be what it looks like. Just saying, don't be so quick to judge what you see as it's facts. Stay happy and healthy 💚
There’s also something extremely wrong and weird about the way Will, on several occasions, has kissed his son Jaden on the mouth in public and Jaden is clearly not appreciating it (on the Ellen show, during an interview in Thailand). What is that about?
I can overlook Jada's past as far as her being a drug dealer and having affairs, but she slept with her son's friend. She was supposed to be an example to him, not prey upon him.
You know people to be honest. This marriage is between will and Jada. And will ain't stupid. So for them to still decide to be together doesn't make anyone's opinion right about who is a bitch or dumb.because they all adults knowing what they and how they resolve their own personal life. They ain't effecting anyone nor doing any crime like real-life crisis like children being mistreated etc.. Etc.. Talking like young new generations they think they know everything but believe you will all come in a situation when you will understand how life can works. And every single person is everyday learning about themselves in the most bad situations.. It's called being human. And it's called strong love to survive.
She strikes me as a narcissist. Very eager to talk a lot about herself and enjoying the attention she will get from millions of viewers in the process. It's noticable that Will doesn't get a lot of room to talk about his own pain.
She is self-centered and shallow for sure. Everything is centered on “is Jada happy? This is fine because it made Jada happy. This is NOT fine because it made jade unhappy. How does Jada feel?” I notice she never asks or considers how he feels, or asks even for his thoughts. She seems manipulative the way she speaks. Constantly using words like “empowerment” and “spiritual” and “journey”
Every time she says "healing", she means sex. "I needed a lot of healing. He needed healing. We needed lots and lots and lots of healing. Lots of healing, all over the house we both live in."
It was rumors for decades that the couple were swingers. Let's say for the sake of argument it's true. Will Smith is a brand. He has a very clean image. No criminal past, the boy next door that transition into a respectable charismatic gentleman. This August incident may put a damper on his brand. August made a terrible boo boo by exposing his situation with Jada. Will is about to have panties thrown at him like he has the vaccine for covid-19 LOL. It's going to be the love scene from the movie Purple Rain but with extra participants.
Jada using safer terms to describe her relationship with August trying to make it sound less bad is making me question how honest they are with each other. Regardless August was ill and Jada did take advantage of him
They have talked before this public show. This not a genuine talk between two partners because this is a press conference or press statement for the public. Everything here is agreed upon both to make this public and also which words they use
Will was visibly squirming. I was advised to stop going to couple's therapy with my narcissist for good reason. I would come home destroyed, psychologically beaten up while he came out of the session glowing and content armed with new ammunition to use on me. Our therapist made it seem we were both 50% responsible for our relationship being successful. They confuse the therapist the way they confuse us when we're on the fence deciding if we should get out or stay. The therapist praises the perpetrator and treats the victim as the side kick which is exactly what the narcissist wants.
Therapists are just people who take a lot of classes. My dad is a therapist, I'm not knocking them but they are people and some are better than others at seeing manipulative behavior
@@jrmints80 yes, you're right, many good therapists won't even touch that kind of patient it's too crazy making for them, they're convincing natural born liars.
I was just saying this on another thread, even if you aren't a licensed therapist you can feel how self serving and self absorbed this woman is by the way she talks about her "entanglement" not acknowledging her husband feeling and making everything revolve around her. It just transpires toxicity.
I used to work in a women's shelter and the women would always say the mental abuse was the worst aspect. Couple's counselling doesn't ever work in an abusive relationship. I don't know how their assessment works but in theory they should be able to identity abusive relationships and sign post to other services. Perpetrators are very skilled at manipulation and narcissists will use therapy as a tool against their victim.. Sorry you experienced this.
He did a great job with snippet video he had. Unfortunately that video was just the rosebud decoration on the icing that lay on top of the frosting on the crumbling cake. Did he do any follow-up after the slap? (Will, I learned this week,has been in India, the report said "hding in" but I'm thinking maybe he's learning TM from a master?)
This is why me and my fiancé are going to couples coaching/therapy before our wedding lol. We’re letting go of our childhood traumas and issues before starting our own family. I really recommend it 🙌🏽👌🏽
No, they thought they had to go through a time of healing each other having an entanglement with child's of their friends. Instead of a healing they were traumatized but also convinced that they could do it a lifetime together. Then they realized pretty soon that nothing can take away this shadow from their relationship and ended up divorced. She took the child and half of his wealth, he began to drink and committed suicide after accidentally seeing his child calling a random dude daddy.
My husband and I are at the brink of divorce now so I'm watching this as my heart breaks, wondering if we can make it through this dark time together. No-one has gotten "entagled" in our marriage, we are both hurting over separate issues in our lives so instead of being on the same team, we're attacking each other. 9 years of bliss...now struggle town. I'm hoping Jada and Will are going to be ok and stronger than ever. I pray the same for my husband and I because 9 years is worth fighting for.
I do hope you and your husband find your way back to each other. If you go to church, most pastors do therapy for marriages. I don’t know what y’all are going through, I want you to know I will pray for you!
Girl hold on to your marriage, and work if out no matter how freaking hard it is. It WILL get better if you treat eachother better and put pride and resentmenr aside and stay positive and think of the good times. Dont follow destruction. If you stuck 9 years, u can stuck another. Except for cheating and abuse.
This is the reason why I love Dr Kirk Honda’s reaction video. He always gives his honest opinion without judgment. You would really learn some important life lessons from it. Anyone who’s reading this comment, please take your time to watch his other reaction videos, definitely won’t regret it because you would learn so much from him
I feel that way already just from watching this one, even though he was unaware of some of the key backstory here, but I think in a way, that can enhance & reinforce his assessments when he gets it right.. 💣
@@MariekeFW True. However Will is not going anywhere. Jada knows too much about him. It was easier for him to take this embarrassment and humiliation than what they could really be sitting at the Red Table talking about.
Will : I really felt like we could be over Jada : we were over Its subtle things like this is why it seems jada has noted her 'entanglement' and left it in the past whereas Will is still reacting from it
I think Will is still reacting from it bc he probably still hasn't allowed himself to process it and his emotions reacting from it. And maybe, when he tries to discuss it with Jada, to get help get over it. She was able to move on. It just shows everyone has different times of healing.
@@SKY-ws6ph so true. He probably feels some part in it, seeing as he said he "was done with her", then realising he done fd up. Shes resolved her feelings he definatly hasnt. Probably doesn't help that her verbiage is more clinical coming across cold. Just a thought.
Has ''noted'' her entanglement? Are you serious? She has had an affair with a friend of her son who was mentally fragile and you call it "noted her entanglement" and moved on. The difference between "we could be over" & "we were over" demonstrates the imbalance and miscommunication regarding their temporary "break-up", Will viewed it has temporary while she viewed it as final.
I just feel like August got caught up with a married woman. She didn’t want to leave her husband for him and he got fed up. People are saying she used August but to me they mutually used each other.
She used him. If the genders were reversed, most of the country would call Jada a predator for screwing her son's drug addicted, mentally unwell friend.
@@lavinder11 BIG FACTS!!! Women do get a pass alot in these situations. She was wrong for starting something new before finalising the marriage. Not by divorce but emotionally resolved. Why would anyone start a relationship with someone in such a vulnerable state as August its worrying.
And pay attention to wills voice and body language.. he’s NOT okay with the affair… he’s PISSED… he’s been emasculated. She’s done this multiple times btw.
It's interesting I don't need to know these things.. and I already know what's wrong and right.. or at least I know what is to be respected and what not to waste time on. I think Dr. Honda is smart enough for this.. although at times he is too forgiving.
Why would you feel as if you were encroaching upon the privacy of the lives of individuals who obviously DON'T WANT THE PRIVACY? They are freely and openly VOLUNTEERING the intimate details of their marriage to the public domain-- whether for personal gain or therapeutic purposes. This was not a hostage ordeal.
It is painful to watch, but it is fascinating. I am forever interested in the lives of others. And admittedly that people curiosity has landed me in trouble more than once.
This video had some cuts in it but I think people felt Will was in pain when she kept going on and on about her other relationship. He appeared to be crying at some point and not as ok with the situation as she was. I think they also questioned his comfort level discussing these painful issues publicly for her show. He actually criticizes her doing this in another video where she is filming him without his consent to try to get him to publicly talk about what they talk about in therapy. She also exploits her family with Red Table Talk for her own publicity, including her children, where she normalizes selfish things she does by reframing them as things like "open relationships" and "healing." She is the master at reframing things and making destructive and toxic things seem healthy. August cut her off for a reason. Will clearly felt very hurt by things he thinks she did to him in the past and does not seem over it in this video, while she tries to make light of it. He is just following her cues and avoiding saying much. Hes joking about things he feels deeply hurt by and isnt over because people are watching. If you watch more of her show Ref Table Talk, you can see Will is insecure in his relationship with her. This is probably because she keeps saying things like she never wanted to be with him (she is absolutely horrible when she talks about their wedding day). By making him insecure in the relationship, she has all the power. It also seems very important to Jada that the world know how much he wanted her and how much she didnt care about being with him. Everything she says tends to flatter her and make everything she does somehow normal and healthy. We saw nothing in this video but her trying to redeem her reputation and getting him to reluctantly help her do that. Therapists need to be able to see past peoples denial, justifying and normalizing of their toxic behaviors. They need to see past the deflecting jokes and make sure both people are heard and supported. Simply stating you are "healing" and "healthy" does not make it so. People saw the flags with this RTT and they were right. Now that the world watched Will flip out at the Oscars because Jada self-importantly rolled her eyes over an inoculous joke about her appearance, people can see there is very obviously nothing healthy or normal about these people.
True, and ppl dont need to listen to this type of therapist on youtube when they are only about feelings and not about the truth and about Man nature .. Goverment care too much about women to control them and giving them chans controll their husbands.. Thats why in Western culture womens becomes Narsist the most time...
Reality check: The majority of us are either in relationships that have it's challenges, a lot of us are alone and some of us are in relationships that are just volatile, abusive and unhealthy. So, as a result of our own personal struggles and disappointments, and sometimes just being nosey, we sit around and question other couples, especially those who have been together a long time like Will and Jada...and we wonder if they have that "fairytale, happily ever after" and then when we see that they are human and have issues too, some of us glorify in that. Bottom line is, that "fairytale" does NOT exist. If you are in a relationship, you care about each other and things are 70-80 % good, you are probably better off than most...but things are NOT perfect because people are NOT perfect.
Because healing is what we are doing on a continuous basis.. living is hard.. anyone can withstand a tragedy is the day today living that wears you down
"Healing" means that she can sleep around to fix her internal problems. She has no love or respect for her husband. He Loves and respects her because I don't think he has cheated on her. They took a break to fix themselves not to sleep around. This is just selfish.
Bad marriage. They deserve each other. There's still rare individuals that can offer loyalty and faithfulness. This people control by the fame and money.
I agree. Surprised the therapist dismisses why people are interested in their relationship. I understand the gender bias aspects of this but body language still can be so obvious, she seems to have all the power in the relationship and I also think it’s interesting that they’re being congratulated for these “hard conversations” that are like psyudotherapy when basically Red Table talk was apparently monetizing his pain and humiliation a lot. Jadas TV show kind of reminds me of how therapy can cause a lot of harm done badly. She’s not unbiased as his partner but acts as the leader in these ‘hard discussions’, driving the narrative. It seems like possible brainwashing almost. (“I had to hurt you like this because I was on my necessary healing journey… don’t you agree?”)
You should watch August's interview first. He didn't describe their relationship as an entanglement. It sounded much more and he has a history of mental and medical health issues. Jada's trauma, I believe, comes from her mother's 20 year drug addiction. August also had a drug addiction when he came into their lives.
he didn't call it that cause he was in love with her, and he felt he would win her enough to, one day, leave Will. Jada, on the other hand, might have loved him but not enough to leave Will. Therefore, she was significant to him but not significant enough to her
Maybe the Red Table Talk Show is another distraction for Jada to look away from her own pain and issues. She literally focuses on other people's problems on that show.
@@emilio2647 I think it just happened. She said they became a really good friends. We could say it the other way that he preyed on HER during a vulnerable period. He's not exactly innocent.
People wanted you to notice will and his mindset. He seemed still very angry and resentful towards her and that’s why he kept joking. Jada still seemed really selfish about it and didn’t bother asking how he felt about stuff.
You don't need to study psychology to see that. In fact a lot of very high educated psychologists often lack the real life social intelligence to interprete the behaviour of someone rather than interprete literally the words they say.
Yeah this. I'm surprised it never came up. It's good that they're talking about it but its less about the topic itself/the media misinformation at the beginning and more about their behavior in this clip especially.
That's making a hell of a lot of assumptions. In a case where you do not know the people and their personality, its damaging to say that hes clearly angry because he makes jokes and shes clearly selfish when you have no idea how many times theyve discussed this privately or what they agreed to say during this talk.
@@angelostanojevic304 But the study of psychology also teaches you not to make assumptions, particularly not ones based on a previous bias towards certain parties, which many people in this comment section seem to have. He's discussing what he sees, not assuming everything about two people hes never met.
Just because she says she’s codependent doesn’t mean she is. She’s not. She’s a malignant narcissist and this session is abuse of Will. And she enjoys it.
I agree with you. I actually feel sorry for him now. He's in an abusive relationship. It's so hard to realise that when your abusers weapon is emotional manipulation.
“Since it has been made public, I want to bring myself to the Table, and be honest. First of all, we were taking time apart from our Marriage, 4 years ago, and in the process, I was already emotional invested in my sons friend, August. That transcends into a friendship and later, in a romance. I was unfaithful, and Will IM SORRY for hurting you in my process to self love.” WHY SHE COULDN’T SAY THIS? She has a hard time using the word “unfaithful” she said she had NO regrets, because she believes this made her grow. Also, she turn back to her HUSBAND WHEN, August left Her... she said, August didn’t talk to her anymore. So, that being said, Jada has trouble recognizing and feeling remorse, that sounds exactly like a narcissistic personality disorder. Also, Wills reaction to her saying “entanglement” shows His need to get her to admit “relationship”. Body language its very important, and we can tell when someone is hurting or uncomfortable. That doesn’t mean is a 100% accurate, but it does guides us to a better understanding. 90% of our language is body language. I believe his using “jokes” a self defense mechanism, cause his uncomfortable with the topic, and you can see the sadness that, after 4 years of the event, he still shows in his eyes. Moreover, if she says: “I haven’t feel good in soooo long” they need to dig deeper, because that hurts Will in the process. He might think “she has NEVER been happy with me in 21 years? Is this marriage for real?” In the end, I see he respects her, I can see she is the dominant one in the relationship, and that they need more couples, and individual therapy.
How do you know Will and Jada didn't come to an understanding that they were allowed to see other people? They implied Will knew what was going on. If August got that impression and Jada and Will aren't refuting it, I don't understand why people are so determined to call her unfaithful. He said he was done with her and Jada said "you left me." What am I missing that everyone else is hearing?
@Chika I. Right? Like folks are so determined to make it out like she cheated, even though ALL THREE PARTIES are saying this was not cheating. Plus we were getting rumors about Will during that time as well, only difference is his rumors signed the NDA. She doesn't feel like she was unfaithful with August because she wasn't. And she shouldn't have to apologize when both parties agreed to separate and do their own thing for a couple years and then I guess somebody went to therapy (Jada). They finally found out a lot of answers they had about themselves, that it can be managed, and then reflected on how a past relationship deteriorated because of those issues. Now that they are working on them, they think they can repair relationships that were once broken.
Because she doesn’t see it as being unfaithful. Also, from some of the things Will says it sounds like he was having his own/had his own “entanglement”
WHY COULDN'T SHE SAY THIS? Because people who have gotten away with not showing accountability for their behavior will continue to do so provided they can get what they want without growing. The fact that you recognize this behavior in her displays a high level of awareness typically only present in high quality people who have grown into a high emotional intelligence. Congratulations for investing in yourself. It seems to be paying off! Whether the audience feels as though she was unfaithful or not is irrelevant. What is rather blatant is that Will feels as though she was unfaithful. It seems pretty clear that his impression of their separation was that they were taking time apart to work on themselves individually. It's equally clear that her choice to start another relationship has deeply hurt him, despite his ability to hide his pain with humor in front of the camera. You're observations seem very on point.
God. I worry about a therapist who can't see narcissism when it's screaming it's existence and he still thinks she's acting healthy! Cmon! Jada abused Will for years and he's such a nice guy he tried to make it work. How dare she treat him so bad.
Exactly she is showing lot of narcissism traits in this talk & I don't really understand how she didn't realise atleast during red table talk with Dr ramani on narcissism
Therapists are dumb. They pretend to know erverything, but they now nothing and mostly of them don't have empathy. He seems like to be one oft them. Don't believe a "expert" just because it's a therapist, they just talk crap
I emailed him some other information (August interview for instance) for background. Hopefully he sees it and does a few more reactions for us as a result.
His reaction would probably be more or less the same. Our conclusions, as spectators, about those stigmas may be different but they don’t matter. He’s a marriage therapist reacting to this moment where these two are being very upfront with each other, so what more could you ask for? Really good communication regardless of whatever happened
He doesn't like having to air out his dirty laundry, the fact that his open marriage came to light might effect his image/career so he's forced to do damage control.
@@shadyeighty1 Yeah, my deadly trait. I am in therapy for that very syndrome. The healing is exhilarating. I am loving learningg how to love me, along with treating others good too.
I feel like Jada has dealt with some of the issues leading her to involve herself with her "entanglement", but feel like she was dismissive of how it affected Will. It would have been nice for her to admit, "i understand how I hurt you when..." or "im sorry for..."but calling it an entanglement seemed rather dismissive, whether it be an affair or relationship. Who knows what they have said in their private talks. I didn't get the impression that Will was joking in a healthy 'I've dealt with this and can now laugh' kind of way. I suspect that since he is an entertainer, he feels some pressure to make light of the situation and is resorting to humor as it comes more natural to him. As a completely uninvolved observer, I have a lot of respect for them bringing this delicate topic to the public. Taking control of the situation in a way instead of letting the media go crazy with it. I wish them the best and hope that they don't force the relationship to work to satisfy the public, but for their own desire to be a healthier stronger couple/individuals.
Yesss! She is absolutely self-absorbed and dismissive of anything that doesn't affect her. She repulses me honestly. I remember watching a Red Table Talk from like winter and they spoke about his upbringing or love languages and she was controlling all the conversation and moving around anything that didn't benefit her in the conversation. Ugh.
I just think they're in an open relationship and really don't want to admit it. Not sure why, it doesn't make them look any better imo. But then I know Americans can be very puritanical
@Lola Y yes. you are right. why are people so bent on pointing out Jada's dirt but left Will squeaky clean? Will was most definitely doing the same thing, period !!!
At the end of the day Will and Jada have a functional "dysfunctional" relationship that is typical of narcissists and of and co-dependents. The narcissist and co-dependent are made for each other and they will never leave. They have fused based on their childhood trauma. They have a toxic trauma bond. They intentionally engage in behavior that they know will hurt the other person. After the hurt, they bond and they become closer. Classic trauma bonding behavior. Jada has endured years of Will's cheating. They can talk about this openly, but we should not be giving them kudos or commending them for using fancy therapist language to talk about their toxic relationship. Staying in dysfunction isn't commendable.
ineedhoez you’re making a lot of assumptions. At the end of the day, only they (and their therapist, if they have one) really know what’s going on in their relationship. All we see is what the media portrays of them, and this video, which can be performative or not. The fact is we don’t know. I’m absolutely no expert, but I definitely respect Dr. Kirk’s opinion, and even more, I’m married myself, and know how hard and messy it can be, and I don’t consider myself more “damaged” than the next person.
katherine barrios oh please, you haven’t seen all of the footage of them talking about the relationship. In one interview jada says “will can do whatever he wants as long as he can look in the mirror” so I think that gives some context that he has had extramarital affairs or at least was looking to engage in them. It’s also being investigated that Will was friends with Jeffrey Epstein. I think we have 2 people both equally in the wrong here but it is not being treated that way.
Thank you. When you've had enough therapy you learn how to use therapist jargon and give the therapists what they want to hear, like this therapist. He is liking the BS jada is spewing
I agree. Shes talked about her codependency and her unhappiness hurting Will before and its like ok then this happened again and Will got hurt again. When does it stop?
I'm sorry but you are so wrong. She's using her words very deliberately to functionally communicate abstract feelings and senses she experienced to Will in a way he will understand. He's obviously very receptive of that. I understand you probably feel bad for Will, but your defense of him is almost in stark contrast to what he believes, so unless you know Will personally this para-social relationship you've formed with him is very harmful, as right now you're using it to perpetuate the notion that women are sly and manipulative just because they're honest about their feelings. Not only is that harmful to women, but it also furthers the idea that men shouldn't open up for fear of seeming sly and manipulative.
An open marriage do your thing when it’s consented to. However August needed healing and guidance and she took advantage of his feelings to help “find herself.”
At the end of the day. That's a grown ass man. It is NO BODYS JOB to fix anyone. If he can do all this extra stuff he's been doing. He'll be alright lol
@@LumosYagami It's definitely no one's job to fix anyone, but he was an extremely vulnerable person at the time of their encounter. Someone who is mentally stable is taking advantage of another person when they ask them for help because they are suffering mentally. If someone came to you asking for help because they were on their last leg, would you really turn them away by saying that it's not your job? Further, would you think it is appropriate to enter a sexual relationship with them?
@@bblcommisions it sounds like she was too. They were two vulnerable people. She had to try and fix a marriage after. At least he could move on knowing he wasn't a homewrecker and just was leaving a bad relationship/situationship.
I don't think being in pain is an excuse to step outside your marriage. What about the pain she's caused her children and husband. Excusing Jada's behavior is not healthy! As a result her children appear damaged, her husband damaged and the young man August was damaged! I think some relationships are TOXIC and UNHEALTHY! Now at the Oscars will has SNAPPED! Folks need to face REALITY. Jada needs to STOP putting her business in the streets! Her and Will both appear BROKEN. A bump in the road!!!!!! This is much more than a bump in the road!!!!! I hope no one SNAPPS more than what happened at the Oscars! This is NOT a laugjing matter! I don't see the humour! Let's hope he doesn't act VIOLENT toward another person!!!!
It’s based off of one convo - if he was their therapist they’d have multiple convos individually and together about their backgrounds and this issue. He doesn’t follow their marriage, he’s just going off of this one convo. By the third convo a good psychologist can generally start to see the bull crap.
Also - this is a curated convo cultivated by Jada and Will. A therapist will ask questions and ask you to go where you don’t want to go. As a therapist it’s not your job to judge the person you’re giving therapy to. If the family is asking you to help them work through infidelity, they will try until they conclude that you’re unable to. A good therapist will cut the relationship off if they sense you’re using the therapist as a weapon in the relationship.
The reason why everyone's up in arms about it was it was her son's good friend and there was a 20 year age gap. Like you've said though, age gap alone isn't a cause of concern. But he was also struggling with mental health. For it to go from helping with his health to an affair is nothing short of predatory
Predatory and selfish, she acts as if she "fixed" him when she herself is too broken to do so.. And after she felt better and was pulling away from August she was telling him from her actions that she didn't want him anymore, she was done using him for herself and was ready to discard him probably after a few more uses. Plain and simple she took advantage of him when he was vulnerable and tossed him away without any regard to his health she oh so cares about..
But how is, "helping heal somebody" sleeping with them and essentially entering into a relationship with them only to later dismiss and downplay the whole thing when that same person needed genuine guidance and mentorship over being used as some sort of sex-toy distraction instead of a human being?
I think that it is more about taking yourself out of a situation (splitting up with Will) and finding yourself in a new environment, in her case she's somebody who needs to fix , fix and fix and i think she found that freedom and space with the other guy for some time.
Whether you are counseling someone as a friend, parental figure, or for that matter, a licensed therapist, boundaries need to be set in place. Crossing those boundaries can be damaging to the vulnerable one on so many levels, no matter what age. I am suprised that Dr. Honda did not comment on that aspect. When Jada wanted to take it to another level, I believe she felt that was her earned reward for "helping" August, uncaring about the damage caused. It was selfish, manipulative, and predatory. She should have encouraged August to seek professional help right in the beginning, instead of "playing" a shrink, especially knowing she had her own issues to deal with.
When Jada said she wanted to feel good. And that she hadn't felt good in a long time. I felt Will's heart sink. Did Wil feel responsible for that? Did he feel like that area was a failure on his part? 🤷♀️. Either way. They seem to be making it through this. As strong couples should.
That's her responsibility and he will (no pun intended) be wise to not that take onto his shoulders. Obviously her actions hurt him very deeply and I'm not sure if she understands the weight of it on him.
Listen, it’s sad when people look sad, but I’m hardly understanding the offense? Sometimes in relationships the other person feels sad. But they are literally doing everything they can do about it- they are communicating honestly. And maybe as Will becomes more comfortable he can communicate more of his own feelings.
I think Will handled it best he could . But it should have been discussed in private. We don't need to know all their stuff and issues. Pray they are able to work it all out as they have kids and are a family
@@TestAccount-uu9vp I’m generally pro “Get married once and do everything in your power to not divorce”. If they were dating I would very much be telling him to get out of there, but being married and in love with someone for decades and having kids is a different situation. I think by “Will Smith handled this well” OP might mean “he didn’t react with violence or anger, but responded with humor”. If she cheated then he certainly deserves better, but when you’re older and have kids there’s a more pros to trying to work it out than cons bc you’re in so deep. But don’t say he’s gutless for still being in love with a woman who he expected to spend the rest of his life with.
Although this is not a real therapy session but a public display for the two celebrities to save their image, the therapist is buying into all of Jada’s narrative while ignoring Will’s body language of unresolved pain. I wonder how he would approach this in a real therapy session？
I had a proffesor in 80's when I was getting my BS in Psych who described the pain...etc..that we suppress as a "beach ball we r trying to sit on and hold down in the water". I will NEVER forget that prof, Dr.G .....he had such a way of metaphorically speaking which made it sooooo easy to TRULY understand certain concepts. He went on to say that we had two choices w/the "beach ball" aka "our suppressed feelings".... either reach down.... take hold of it...gently help to guide it out from underneath us....and out of water....OR...we could keep trying to sit on it.... balancing ourselves.... til it came popping up & out from underneath us.... FLYING....out of control. Any of y'all ever tried to sit & balance on a beach ball in water....I found I could NEVER balance for long. 🤔😉 With so much appreciation and respect....RIP... Dr. G....you taught me so much!
@@majo3423 REALLY good point MA Jo! I agree w/you! Also....just wanted to mention...I love the flower in your Avatar....looks so much like the beautiful blooms from a Crape Myrtle tree 😉😇
Your one of my favorite channels for sure... I just can't put into a RUclips comment how much your content has changed me and my life for the better. Even just your outro, "Take care of yourself, because you deserve it, you really really do", has become a personal mantra for my life, in rebuilding my self-esteem. Thank you so much for making the content that you do; it is invaluable.
Can we get an update on this video and if you still agree with everything you said after seeing Will's actions and the social media posts he's been putting up with just negative self talk and need to be "younger?"
The compassion is really forced, and it is anything but sensible. You should look past the therapist jargon and listen to what he’s actually saying. His point doesn’t change even a little bit as the conversation progresses and new information is presented. He just sticks to the narrative that he chose to accept within the first minute. That’s not sensible.
Right, its all for show . Behind closed doors he must be devastated. And she isnt being honest about how she treated and took advantage of August, given his issues and the fact he is 20 years her junior.
They probably did it to clarify rumors, humanize them as a "superstar" couple, and to inspire others going through rough marriages to give hope that they can make it through to the other side together.
He actually explains it in the last couple of minutes in this video. That as humans we need to see these talks about our relationships so it can help us learn as a society. By Will and Jada talking about this in public it may help someone with their own personal relationships.
No, they initially gaslight August by claiming the affair never happened. They both denied it until he did an interview and stated publicly there was an affair.
I'd like to see a update on this after the Oscars. I also think this is a case of divergent careers in Hollywood couples who get together during a time when both are successful and where one spouse has their career excel while the other one is on the decline. It's happened before. Most don't do a public airing of it.
Agree. Also it’s weird how Jada chose to have kids and get married. Nobody forced her to do these things, so she can’t blame it on Will. If a man or woman doesn’t want marriage or kids, that’s ok, just say so, so the other person knows and can make a decision on continuing or ending it.
I don't hear ppl really talking abt this enough. Jada has always struck me as extremely ambitious. I think she's disappointed that her career hasn't been bigger, & that she's known primarily as the WIFE of a superstar instead of being one herself. Part of her unhappiness might stem from this. This kind of thing usually happens when the wife is the big success (Reese W, Hilary Swank etc) & the husband can't handle it. The marriage ends pretty quickly in those situations.
Will made a statement during the Father's Day episode: "I'm a way better father than a husband", "the worst thing for him was divorcing his first wife" (ultimate failure), and he talked about how he appreciated him and Jada not bargaining the family against their indiscretions (they never used the kids/family unit as a threat). IMO that was what Bad Marriage for life represented; their way of saying we are not gonna break up our family no matter how bad entanglements get.
This couple has to be in their 50s with 20 years of marriage. At what point does Jada Smith seek help for childhood trauma? Certainly she has access to good care. This highlights how many people have childhood trauma and the shaky ground on which couple commit themselves to each other.
I think its important to understand that just because someone has access to many things it doesnt change the fact that they are human beings with fears and battles they must confront just like you and I. Its hard for everyone to be able to face those things head on people have their own way of doing that.
Also, childhood trauma is not something that immediately goes away just because you go to therapy. Therapy will absolutely be needed/helpful as well as continual. Trauma pops up in life at different points, when you least expect it and even if you've worked on that trauma before. The way she speaks sounds as if she has done a lot of work on herself and has found other areas of her life that need attention.
I totally agree with you! Many people here are to judge Jada or Will instead of truly hearing what they are saying to each other, instead of seeing that J&W are expressing a real understanding for each other. Some people will dismiss even the experts opinion to stuck mindlessly to their own perceptions believing that only their view is right no matter what 🙄
Agree ten fold. The first few minutes when he said 'today people will dump someone when really the reality is in long term relationships, you have these chapters more times than not and its okay to admit that theres more good here to work with'....to me that is SO important...and its not seen enough. To make a committed pact to a relationship is to walk thru those chapters no matter what. . i think many lack the maturity to get that
I think the Red Table Talk needs a license and certified therapist as a cohost along with Jada
You’re right, they’re using the language of psychology/healing based on their anecdotal experience, without any actual license to diagnose
Yeah, if they are going to do the talk, then they should follow it up with Dr. Phil. Ha!!! But I agree with you: a licensed therapist is needed.
I agree.
@@reginayfavors Dr Phil is the worst! Lol
@@hecticado8080 absolutely!!!
Bruh, even Will was like "an Entanglement 🙂?"
Chicken Salad he has his own “entanglements” that’s why he can’t judge ! And “bad marriage for life”? Oh hell naw!
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bruhhhhh 😆🤣😂
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@@arabesquejacob8176 True this is a bad marriage. I'm not gonna settle for marriage like this. Better to wait than to have this. There's still rare individuals who can give you loyalty and faithfulness. But well, they deserve each other because they're desame. HAHA.
Jada doesn't seem to acknowledge Wills pain. It's all about accepting herself and will accepting her feelings and journey.
Yes, Carole, it's unfortunate but is a true assessment. I'm so sorry this happened. I have never been married and am now up in age [and still have hope], so I don't know what it is like but I have most certainly been hurt in relationships when I was dating back ions ago. I Love that they were both vulnerable and willing to share their life with us, so very grateful, and absolutely Love them both for weathering the storm of life together. God Bless them Both!
And Will doesn't acknowledge her pain...
she’s her own biggest fan. She’s full of herself.
she doesn't give a shit because will is a beta male. Females don't give a shit about betas
Adopting her weird idea of doing what she wants when she wants doesn't seem to be working for Will. Wish he'd get counseling to realize he can stand up as the man & let her go on her own way without him .. she's doing that anyway but he's stuck and trying to look like he's in agreement.
Crazy seeing this a year later and realizing they didn't both emerge "healed". Seems like Will's masculinity was totally threatened.
I'm not sure if I'd call it masculinity. Seems to me to be more basic - feeling secure in intimacy and your role as a partner. It can be that that might take the form of some common notion of "masculinity", such as the protective macho, but it really just serves the purpose of anchoring your own identity within your family.
I read that they have an open relationship and that he has a very small penis.
I think this broke will smith august and jada made a fool of him
Its interesting to me that they say they were separated when her relationship with August happened but noone ever hears that. They were still married but separated and Will may have had his own entanglements but it just didn't come to the lime light.
@@jannikostermann9821 right, and she did say...on tv Will's sex wasn't satisfying her.
“This August fella” lol we don’t deserve you Dr. Kirk
Lol!🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Sad story
This entire Jada/Will situation is a real-life version of "WE WERE ON A BREAK!!!!"
There are no breaks in a marriage!
@@Michelle-pn9xt depends on the marriage. Different strokes for different folks
I got the reference lol but who is Ross? 🤔🤣
gold haha
This was way worse
"By saying Entanglement she is maybe trying to distance herself from the voluntary nature of the relationship" this man speaks the truth.
Dr. Honda, I think the salacious part was the fact that August came into their home as Jaden's friend who had mental health and substance abuse issues. I think most people are uncomfortable with Jada's role change from mother figure to lover. It's hitting a "predator" nerve with people (myself included). I admit that I have a bias because I have a hard rule that I will never date anyone I could've given birth to.
You summed this up so well. I think August was also blackballed a bit within the industry from rumours of his "affair" with Jada circling and people seeing that as disrespect to Will, I feel really bad for him in this entire situation. It sounds like he was hurt personally and professionally and the person who the hurt came from just went on the internet and repeatedly called what to him was a very pivotal relation an entanglement.
Thank you for this
This is a TOTALLY valid argument, and i love that dating rule. But as far as I was seeing online most people just thought Jada was cheating and Will was hurt. Real issues like this rarely matter to the majority :/
During a time of vulnerability loosing a ton of family members and turning into a father over night all while battling major health issues.
@@reginayfavors There is huge difference (both legally and morally) between a teacher sleeping with her 12-13 year old, sixth grade student and a 42-year-old woman sleeping with a 21-year-old.
I actually tear up every time Dr. Honda ends with “please take care of yourself because you deserve it”. I’m starting to believe it myself. Thank you Dr. Honda for all that you do!
Hey Ale , you deserve it , your beautiful and you deserve the best in life no matter what
Good for you! I remember tearing up when people said i should think about myself that way. The general culture and our own inner voice says otherwise, constantly.
You really really really do
i feel like she she uses the word "enganglement" to minimize her personal responsibility in a affair whether they were separated or not.
I agree. I also hate she said it felt good to heal. She didnt heal August. He came to her broken and was dismissed even more broken because of her actions.
Accountability, was da??
Entanglement is a relationship that has a lot of issues. She may not have been trying to minimize it per say but trying to actually describe their relationship
Not really. If you google the definition of entanglement, it actually seems to describe her relationship with him quite well.
@@CushPlayerProps am I the only person that saw your horrible misspelling
I find it funny that the Therapist was mostly focused on Jada, praising what Jada's saying, but didn't notice the pain and sarcasm in Will's face. 😂 But what do I know, I'm just an anonymous person in the comments.
Chrysses, you make an excellent point. But why do you make the point and then immediately desparage or lessen it? There is no such thing as the expert. Everybody has their own sharp insights, as valid as anyone else's.
@@brendaannedufaur6244 Well, that is because, I've been told several times that I'm not an expert or what do I know, or that I don't know what it's like etc. so I just want to clarify in advance that what I'm saying is based on what I've observed and not based on any expertise or degrees, in case my "expertise" gets questioned. =)
@@brendaannedufaur6244 what a great comment. Sometimes we “normal” folk defer to the “experts” even though we may have more insight. Don’t shortchange yourself!!
He does seem to fail to notice pretty glaring things in this video
I think that most people miss one point: the fact that he is so hurt, doesnt mean that he hasn't done the same and possibly multiple times, but he had a public image to mantain. We saw part of the less public image at the Oscars.
I wonder if she ever said to Will, "I am sorry. I made a huge mistake & I hurt you. Will you be able to forgive me?"
This sounds like she is making a lot of excuses for her actions. She sounds like she is rationalising her actions to make herself feel better, but it is clearly hurting Will.
I would like but you have 69 likes I would never like and ruin it
@@depressedrocketsfan2880 - haha
You’re a hoot!
totally agree... where is the public apology? We would expect it from a man to his wife...
Precisely i dont know what he sees in her
I agree she is making excuses . Saying entanglement and really not taking responsibility for what she did to Will. And laughing and joking around it's not funny. You have a husband Jada and Kids you should have thought of before going outside of your marriage .
Imagine if Will tried to “counsel & heal” one of Willow’s friends and ended up piping her, bet this situation would be totally different. There would be no funny memes, there would’ve been outrage and Will’s career would be over.
Okay, but that didn’t happen, so this hypothetical situation doesn’t matter. If anything, there are people encouraging him to cheat, and praising him if he did so. Also, August was 23 with a mind of his own, not some underage boy. You’d be surprised how many men in Hollywood has done grimy things with younger women, and they are still loved and has a career.
Roman Polanski, Woody Allen do these names ring a bell? They are still very much around.
Still doesn't make it right. He was the same age as Trey, her stepson, who she was a second mother to. I just don't see how she overlooked that similarity... she obviously has an issue. No it isn't funny and yes she should be held to the same standard.
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I said the same thing. Imagine Will getting into an entanglement with Willow's close female friend...
I will be using the word "entanglement" to describe all of my future mistakes hahaha
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Lmao! It’s funny everyone has been using that word since then
WHY DID JADA SAY THAT RIGHT AFTER I READ THIS😂
@@beaniebabyyy___882 WOW that timing tho
😂😂😂😂 me tooo !!!
"Will, im so very sorry ..."
imagine if she'd said that instead.
You don't know if she didn't
@@Anya21084 she didn’t. Wayyyyy too bold and called it an “entanglement”. Lacked accountability
@@joewill9967 you don't really know what exactly happened in their relationship, they will not tell everything. We don't see their emotions when that happend but only intellectual discussion about it
They had open marriage
She can’t see beyond her own nose
The pain in Will's eyes when Jada said she was thankful for the affair with August. Wow..... Just wow
I think they decided to say they were separated to make it less trashy.
@@WordWoman111 in all honesty no one but the couple knows this. And especially not us on the internet.
@@lookhowshegobbledthat I was married and split up, most likely heading for divorce when my wife at the time hooked up with another dude. Yes we were separated but we were still married, that meant something to me. It didn't to her. That caused a lot of pain. Will might be feeling the same
After A Long Night Of Hooking well, based on your own insight, your perception of separation is also irrelevant. What you believe is and isn’t acceptable during separation might not be what Will and Jada agreed was acceptable within their marriage and separation. We have to accept that individuals get to make individual beliefs and opinions about their own standards, right?
After A Long Night Of Hooking Yes, still married. Still a contract and there are still emotional connections involved
This is what happens when we look for "healing" and "completeness" from someone else...from personal experience I find it very helpful to spend time alone, to be absolutely single and on your own instead of always relying on someone else for happiness...yes relationships/marriages can be messy but I wanna be sure that I know myself and where my happiness lies so I don't hurt myself and anyone else in the process...
I did that for years and found myself! It was the best thing I've ever done!
Right on point! Everything you need and are looking for is within you 😚
I myself depend on Our Almighty Creator. I've tried it on my own, we definately need God. And if you seek him He will answer.
This 💯
@@michelleantonette9345 No one has to follow your religion. Some of us want reason and science in our solutions.
I love how the therapist is like "why am I here?" 😂
HAHAHAHAHHAHAH LOLOLOLOLLOLOLL YA, no big deal. Will Smith is obviously ok with it all. He's a model for masculinity because his words agree with Jada; just don't look at his face.
His face ! Hahahaha
Word Salad 🥗
Didn't Will have some Yung Huney in the dessert?
Wills Eyes tho.... ouch!
“August” was introduced to the Smith family by Will & Jada’s son, Jadan. So, August was Jada’s son’s friend. Essentially JADA HAD AN AFFAIR WITH HER SON’s FRIEND. That is twisted & dysfunctional as hell. Please Analyze that Doctor. What kind of mother has a sexual relationship with their child’s friend?
This is from so long ago….he doesn’t keep up on salacious gossip. He even said he doesn’t know anything about them, and only knows their story from this convo that has been orchestrated by Will and Jada themselves. He has a legit practice and career as an academic.
It wasn’t Jadan’s friend. It was Will Smith’s son’s friend from an earlier relationship. But still, …
I think on its face without the context you provided this looks fine and dandy. Very emotionally mature. However, if he knew the context he might have a completely different take.
Exactly, that fact is important to the whole back story
And she was molested by grandma and taught willow it was ok.
I'm sorry it didn't really sound like they were genuinely joking around it sounded more like humor trying to hide the pain. The laughter sounded fake.
I think people may be projecting a little with that and what they’ve been able to stand in their relationships; and with how they feel about August’s statements and how they were introduced to/wrapped in that first, coloring any response after.
For people who already felt very strongly about what August said initially and felt that way still when this Red Table ep came out, I don’t think there was really anything she could have said to make her and Will look “positive” at the end of this. As someone who did feel strongly about August and then thought about it more, and kind of neutraled out a bit, the talk b/w Will and Jada was actually a lot different than what I expected from what I heard beforehand on social media. I was expecting a real heaviness/intensity/palpable hurt and I didn’t really feel any of that. They looked to me the same as always. It does feel that they most likely have moved on from this in their marriage, but I can see both sides with how this clearly still affects August.
It mostly seemed like embarrassment at having to talk about when they really didn't want to
thats how some people cope with pain, ie when people smile when they're nervous.
She did say she wasn't yet ready to talk about it. I know I may cope with embarrassment or the uneasy feeling myself, with laughter. She is human.
Yeah, I don't think Will was joking about getting her back, he said it like 3 times.
If a middle aged man had a fling with a sick 23 year old woman who was mentored by him and then got back with his wife, I think the reaction would be a bit different. It seems like an unhealthy power dynamic. All she's talking about is how great she was for "helping him" when in reality it sounds like she used him.
I didn't hear her call herself great for that. Or even imply that.
I don’t know much about the situation but from this video I don’t think that’s what Jada was saying at all. I think she was trying to say that it FELT great to be able to help someone not that it WAS great. She was acknowledging that she used that relationship or “entanglement” to try to heal her internal wounds. She seemed very open and mature about the fact that that wasn’t the right move.
In both situations I'd feel sympathy for everyone involved, more so for the younger person, but still for both. I don't think the older person in these situations is always maliciously and intentionally taking advantage, it's just that relationships are messy and sometimes lines blur when that isn't the intention, particularly if one or both people have past traumas. I just find it hard to judge Jada too harshly when it's a situation I could see myself getting involved in, as either the younger or older person in the relationship. I do think she was too dismissive of what the relationship was, so as to protect her reputation and not start shit with Will.
Leonardo DiCaprio met his girlfriend when she was 11 and was/is friends with her family and nobody is talking about it...
And hurt him plus her husband but i see no remorse, no empathy or compassion for their pain in her selfish desires!!! She didn't apologise to either and she is stuck solely on herself. Pointing herself as the victim and would be hero all throughout this. She is a villain!!! Those two men are the victims!!!
We all makes mistakes...no judgement here...
I just pray I never have an entanglement with my 26 yo son's friend.
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No judgement. Whether you are a public figure or not many married couples have had the same situation and not mature or mentally developed enough to be honest with their spouse and deal with the situation that works for them if they want to stay together.
@@lynnkitchen8252 yes marriage is very hard..my husband and I of 28 yrs definitely had our pitfalls...most ppl can't even maintain a 1 yr relationship...
But Im still going to say my sons cute sexy friends better not asked for any counseling, mentorship, advice..NOTHING...LOL
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I agree supposing it was the way round ,Will getting into an "entanglement" with his daughter's friend would it go so peaceful.
As for the “humor” demonstrated by Will and Jada especially at the end I’m surprised the therapist didn’t recognize the rage that they have towards one another was being masked (poorly) by the humor. I mean Will literally said he wants to get revenge at Jada and Jada said “You already did”. These are not people that have resolved their issues.
Also, Will is the consummate actor, highly intelligent and a man. Men GENERALLY don't like speaking about emotions, especially publicly. Note how he mainly listened and how his comments were short and to the point - he didn't delve into his emotions at all. I agree this soundbite does not reflect their true feelings very much at all.
The therapist was extremely sympathetic towards Jada. It's interesting to see how different perspectives can be. He saw the laughing and "joking" as wonderful and warm, I saw it as just plain toxic like when people use humor to deflect pain. There was nothing funny about it im sure.
Not that we have a degree in psychology, but sometimes we just get a feeling, and know through experiences as well.
@@thatswhatshesaid3126 It's not the first time this therapist has shown really shocking ignorance of the real dynamics - to the point of siding with really manipulative and abusive people against the person they're abusing. A therapist who can't recognise manipulative people is horrendous. I feel sorry for the partners and children of narcissist clients of his.... because you know they convinced him that they are the real victim and the true victim is in fact the bully and the abuser 😑
@aba r No, he was very clear he was talking about petty revenge lol
@@cosmicmuffin322 I’m still barely in the first 2 mins of this particular video, but I agree with you about his channel overall. Dr. Honda can be incredibly insightful, but there are also some WILDLY missed/misinterpreted/mis-speculated problematic moments in his videos.
I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and lots of natural slack too, especially if I’m unfamiliar with full details of personality/experiences/case history. And when examining only one piece of info in a vacuum (like this one Red Table Talk), I tend to be even more conservative in my judgments and more overcompensatory in my allowances for a person.
But the contempt Will displayed was *open* and abundant throughout the entire video, and yes, 90% of the laughter was to mask discomfort. And his idea that Will doesn’t feel his masculinity has been threatened seems not just unlikely, but incongruous with Will’s entire attitude. He is a man scorned. “Wonderful modeling,” though.
“An affair with your son’s bestie is just a bump in the road in your marriage, hey, these things happen :)”
Too much of the back story is missing like August was her son's friend and she was his mentor and the 20 year age difference. If I didn't know any of that then I would agree with the reaction
Also he was having a mental and physical health breakdown and was vulnerable during the entanglement...
Plus the fact she lied and said it never happened until he made it clear that he wasn't going to back down.
I agree wish he would have gotten the back story
So the biggest issue for you is that he potentially wasn't able to consent or she took advantage of him?
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 i also think if they both agreed to seeing other people they would have either said that in this red table talk and not even that but will wouldn’t look as hurt as he did 🤷🏾♀️ i dunno if august was there to get help thats how it should have ended, i feel like she took advantage of august’s situation because let’s be honest did she think of anyone else other than herself? That’s her son’s friend even if she didn’t care for Will’s feelings, HER SON’S feelings should at least stopped her from doing what she did. Because not only did she hurt Will she ruined a friendship between her son and his friend.
Don't forget August was their son's friend and is only a couple of years older than their son. I wonder how Jaden feels about his Mom sleeping with his friend.
I........😷😷😷😟😟😟
How would you feel yourself??
That’s creepy & gross
@@yvettewigfall9168 storys
People miss that completely
So she used a young, unstable person, who came to her for help, to make herself feel "good again" 🤔 There's a word for that.. and it's not 'entanglement '
She was unstable herself. Lets not point finger. We all get into relationships that in hindsight wish we didn't.
don't be stupid!
I wonder wish kind of help this boy was looking for
After A Long Night Of Hooking home wrecker? SHE invited him into their home
@@colouredlioness2199 speak for yourself
She tells the story her way. Controls it completely. He gets no genuine input and is only allowed to try to sooth her. Can a therapist never see the onesidedness of this interaction. So tragic.
Oh because you’re the expert. Lol. The narrative of the conversation was Jada explaining her involvement with the man who went public about their relationship. It was not about Will. They were separated amicably as they stated and the therapist mentioned. Will was off doing his own thing. You want to know where penis was? Why are people so dumb and quick to latch on to just oh she had sex and Will ok’d it?
@@jevonk Everything you said was Jada's words NOT Will's, So that amicably separation was what Jada said. So that "you're the expert. Lol." Is YOUR assessment, Your bias for Jada is REAL LOUD/CLEAR👀....Got it!👍🏽
@jevonk you know hbe was her sond friend a teenager who was very ill and valuable!
My thoughts exactly
Something is wrong with Jada... she seems to keep falling in love with other men and speaking passionately about them in her husbands presence. That’s weird as hell. It seems like she don’t really care about nobody feelings but her own.
Apparently they seperatedand qnd after all we know nothing about their situation. But there is almost never a "bad" and a "good" person
She’s a narcissist she used August
August played, he lost
Her husband sat down to have an open conversation with her. Being truthful was expected. The truth isn't always pretty but how can it be dealt with if it's never brought to light?
That's why she's always quick to regurgitate those old ass stories about her & 2Pac. It makes her feel relevant. She knows deep inside, she ain't sh!t without Will. And she resents him for it. And he's so determined not to have another failed marriage, that he overlooks it. But you can tell he's HURT.
Am I the only one seeing the HURT in Will's eyes😥
He looks sooooo sad, like his heart is breaking in front of our eyes.
Lisa S nope you’re not! He looks like he’s dying inside and she just sounds rehearsed!
He looks tired and embarrassed
Exactly hes crushed , he's laughing but dying inside.
@@MolyBDenum-lh3wy interpretation can be dangerous, we don't know anything. Things might not always be what it looks like. Just saying, don't be so quick to judge what you see as it's facts. Stay happy and healthy 💚
What's gross about this situation is that August was her son's friend.
Imagine your mom messing with your friend.
There’s also something extremely wrong and weird about the way Will, on several occasions, has kissed his son Jaden on the mouth in public and Jaden is clearly not appreciating it (on the Ellen show, during an interview in Thailand). What is that about?
And why did Jaden seek Emancipation at 15. Even for a Hollywierd teen this is strange. Why does Jaden look so sick and confused?
August is much older than Jaden. August was not some kind of child. They were both vulnerable!
And he was like 22.....
@@annakchf7084 chill. You are reaching
I can overlook Jada's past as far as her being a drug dealer and having affairs, but she slept with her son's friend. She was supposed to be an example to him, not prey upon him.
What kinda drugs?
Exactly
Wtf....august was adult himself too... 23 it's like the most sugar babies younger women coming for the rich old men... So...
23 you pay rent drive car and work like all other adults. If 23 is a child then how...
You know people to be honest. This marriage is between will and Jada. And will ain't stupid. So for them to still decide to be together doesn't make anyone's opinion right about who is a bitch or dumb.because they all adults knowing what they and how they resolve their own personal life. They ain't effecting anyone nor doing any crime like real-life crisis like children being mistreated etc.. Etc.. Talking like young new generations they think they know everything but believe you will all come in a situation when you will understand how life can works. And every single person is everyday learning about themselves in the most bad situations.. It's called being human. And it's called strong love to survive.
She strikes me as a narcissist. Very eager to talk a lot about herself and enjoying the attention she will get from millions of viewers in the process. It's noticable that Will doesn't get a lot of room to talk about his own pain.
She is self-centered and shallow for sure. Everything is centered on “is Jada happy? This is fine because it made Jada happy. This is NOT fine because it made jade unhappy. How does Jada feel?” I notice she never asks or considers how he feels, or asks even for his thoughts. She seems manipulative the way she speaks. Constantly using words like “empowerment” and “spiritual” and “journey”
Every time she says "healing", she means sex. "I needed a lot of healing. He needed healing. We needed lots and lots and lots of healing. Lots of healing, all over the house we both live in."
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Well sex can heal you.
It was rumors for decades that the couple were swingers. Let's say for the sake of argument it's true. Will Smith is a brand. He has a very clean image. No criminal past, the boy next door that transition into a respectable charismatic gentleman. This August incident may put a damper on his brand. August made a terrible boo boo by exposing his situation with Jada. Will is about to have panties thrown at him like he has the vaccine for covid-19 LOL. It's going to be the love scene from the movie Purple Rain but with extra participants.
Lisa H sexual healing 🤣🤣
She also healed August as well, sucked the depression out of him hallelujah
Dr. Honda out here helping me understand what’s going on in this world. 😭🙌 Thanks for keeping up with pop culture and making sure we get these vids ❤️
zinab2blessa I could not agree with you more!
Dr.Kirk is the only one I have seen that listens to his viewers on suggestion. 😍
Yes! I avoid these celebrity stories because so many RUclipsrs are just purveyors of gossip. It’s nice to stay up to date with Honda.
Jada using safer terms to describe her relationship with August trying to make it sound less bad is making me question how honest they are with each other. Regardless August was ill and Jada did take advantage of him
Really how do we know who made the first move. It was wrong but shit happen.
I agree
SHAY FITNESS you all still don’t understand. The Therapist just explained to us clearly!
i don't believe anything of them,this is all made up.lots of fidgeting in the story,each trying to choose words to down play the situation
They have talked before this public show. This not a genuine talk between two partners because this is a press conference or press statement for the public. Everything here is agreed upon both to make this public and also which words they use
Will was visibly squirming. I was advised to stop going to couple's therapy with my narcissist for good reason. I would come home destroyed, psychologically beaten up while he came out of the session glowing and content armed with new ammunition to use on me. Our therapist made it seem we were both 50% responsible for our relationship being successful. They confuse the therapist the way they confuse us when we're on the fence deciding if we should get out or stay. The therapist praises the perpetrator and treats the victim as the side kick which is exactly what the narcissist wants.
Therapists are just people who take a lot of classes. My dad is a therapist, I'm not knocking them but they are people and some are better than others at seeing manipulative behavior
@@jrmints80 yes, you're right, many good therapists won't even touch that kind of patient it's too crazy making for them, they're convincing natural born liars.
I was just saying this on another thread, even if you aren't a licensed therapist you can feel how self serving and self absorbed this woman is by the way she talks about her "entanglement" not acknowledging her husband feeling and making everything revolve around her. It just transpires toxicity.
I used to work in a women's shelter and the women would always say the mental abuse was the worst aspect. Couple's counselling doesn't ever work in an abusive relationship. I don't know how their assessment works but in theory they should be able to identity abusive relationships and sign post to other services. Perpetrators are very skilled at manipulation and narcissists will use therapy as a tool against their victim.. Sorry you experienced this.
Well said. Therapists should be trained better to notice these kinds of dynamics.
Word of 2020: “Entanglement”
And i thought Quarantine would've been the word of 2020 😂😂
This whole damn year is an entanglement... 🤣😂🤣
It's actually COVID. Not everyone knows about the Smith's situation but the whole entire world knows COVID
Entanglement = cheating
Sheeettttt.. sheesh!!!
I think the shady part was that her "entanglement" was a a friend of Jada's son. That is how they met, through Jaiden.
and invited into their home 🏡 to live and get help. He was 28 and Jaidens friend. Jada at 49 I believe ends up in a romantic relationship with him
@@1970karenleah no he was 20. Jada is a creep
It was a friend from Will Smiths first son
@@nfbconnect - No, it was Jaden's friend.
I'm just going to come out and say that I think Jada is a bad mom for that. It's irredeemable.
The fact that the doc has no clue about these celebrities' loves is funny to me when he keeps saying "This August Fella" lol
Yesss 😂😂😂
Right he needs to watch August interview, to get the full scope too analyze this video.
I hear you...But truthfully did anybody know who the “August fella” was before this entanglement?!
This is what happens, when the psychologist doesn’t have ALL the information!🤣🤣🤣
He did a great job with snippet video he had. Unfortunately that video was just the rosebud decoration on the icing that lay on top of the frosting on the crumbling cake.
Did he do any follow-up after the slap? (Will, I learned this week,has been in India, the report said "hding in" but I'm thinking maybe he's learning TM from a master?)
I just love Dr. Honda always coming to the table with no previous feelings or viewings, love the honest reactions.
“This fella August” LMFAOO thank you for this.
The look on Will's face. His eyes look hurt and betrayed. 🥺
I thought that, too. His face and the pain in it just broke my heart.
Yup that why he is a very good actor that get paid the big bucks #MissMeWithThatBS
#KarmaIsABitch
Yeahhh I saw that and was wondering why Dr. Honda didn't notice it....
You r seeing ego there
This is why me and my fiancé are going to couples coaching/therapy before our wedding lol. We’re letting go of our childhood traumas and issues before starting our own family. I really recommend it 🙌🏽👌🏽
That's awesome!!! So......did y'all get married officially yet?
No, they thought they had to go through a time of healing each other having an entanglement with child's of their friends. Instead of a healing they were traumatized but also convinced that they could do it a lifetime together. Then they realized pretty soon that nothing can take away this shadow from their relationship and ended up divorced. She took the child and half of his wealth, he began to drink and committed suicide after accidentally seeing his child calling a random dude daddy.
My husband and I are at the brink of divorce now so I'm watching this as my heart breaks, wondering if we can make it through this dark time together. No-one has gotten "entagled" in our marriage, we are both hurting over separate issues in our lives so instead of being on the same team, we're attacking each other. 9 years of bliss...now struggle town.
I'm hoping Jada and Will are going to be ok and stronger than ever. I pray the same for my husband and I because 9 years is worth fighting for.
I do hope you and your husband find your way back to each other. If you go to church, most pastors do therapy for marriages. I don’t know what y’all are going through, I want you to know I will pray for you!
Maybe you should both sit and talk to each other and understand each others perspectives with patience!
Girl hold on to your marriage, and work if out no matter how freaking hard it is. It WILL get better if you treat eachother better and put pride and resentmenr aside and stay positive and think of the good times. Dont follow destruction. If you stuck 9 years, u can stuck another. Except for cheating and abuse.
Fight!
Please read Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus. Hope everything goes well with your marriage.
This is the reason why I love Dr Kirk Honda’s reaction video. He always gives his honest opinion without judgment. You would really learn some important life lessons from it. Anyone who’s reading this comment, please take your time to watch his other reaction videos, definitely won’t regret it because you would learn so much from him
I feel that way already just from watching this one, even though he was unaware of some of the key backstory here, but I think in a way, that can enhance & reinforce his assessments when he gets it right.. 💣
Not for nothing but this sounds like damage control.
Exactly what it is. Especially when you watch the interviews before this
Exactly
I NEVER want to settle for a relationship/marriage like this.💔
Will clearly looks like he's not having none of that BS
Lol. He's an actor. Rumors have been out for years about their 'open relationship'.
totally, doesn't matter they were separated for a while. So it doesn't matter.
Not to mention HE said SHE was messing up and they both agreed
@@jank358 Even in an open relationship trust and boundaries can be broken, I think that is what happened.
@@MariekeFW True. However Will is not going anywhere. Jada knows too much about him. It was easier for him to take this embarrassment and humiliation than what they could really be sitting at the Red Table talking about.
Will : I really felt like we could be over
Jada : we were over
Its subtle things like this is why it seems jada has noted her 'entanglement' and left it in the past whereas Will is still reacting from it
I think Will is still reacting from it bc he probably still hasn't allowed himself to process it and his emotions reacting from it. And maybe, when he tries to discuss it with Jada, to get help get over it. She was able to move on.
It just shows everyone has different times of healing.
@@SKY-ws6ph so true. He probably feels some part in it, seeing as he said he "was done with her", then realising he done fd up. Shes resolved her feelings he definatly hasnt. Probably doesn't help that her verbiage is more clinical coming across cold. Just a thought.
SKY she also needed that experience to help heal herself so she can see it in a different way than he does
Or he’s over all of the lyrical acrobatics she tries to do.
Has ''noted'' her entanglement? Are you serious? She has had an affair with a friend of her son who was mentally fragile and you call it "noted her entanglement" and moved on. The difference between "we could be over" & "we were over" demonstrates the imbalance and miscommunication regarding their temporary "break-up", Will viewed it has temporary while she viewed it as final.
I just feel like August got caught up with a married woman. She didn’t want to leave her husband for him and he got fed up. People are saying she used August but to me they mutually used each other.
This!
She used him. If the genders were reversed, most of the country would call Jada a predator for screwing her son's drug addicted, mentally unwell friend.
Exactly!!!
@@lavinder11 BIG FACTS!!! Women do get a pass alot in these situations.
She was wrong for starting something new before finalising the marriage. Not by divorce but emotionally resolved. Why would anyone start a relationship with someone in such a vulnerable state as August its worrying.
It was mutual! They were both adults and they turned to each other.
And pay attention to wills voice and body language.. he’s NOT okay with the affair… he’s PISSED… he’s been emasculated. She’s done this multiple times btw.
Didn't will get in to 'entanglements " of his own with persons?
Jada's mom was an addict and they spoke about it on her show 'red table talks'... Somehow, I think Doc Honda will actually like her table talks.
It's interesting I don't need to know these things.. and I already know what's wrong and right.. or at least I know what is to be respected and what not to waste time on. I think Dr. Honda is smart enough for this.. although at times he is too forgiving.
@@michaelsotomayor5001 hes a therapist its his job to be forgiving 🤷🏻♀️
Her dad was an alcoholic and abusive to her mom her mom was addicted to heroine
Not to mention her mom if I'm not mistaken worked in the healthcare field, nurse. A healer so to speak.
@Julia Mimi most of us aren't aware of this context & are going off what she said in this particular interview + what August said..
I can’t even watch this halfway. I feel like i am intruding into their private lives and i’d rather not know
Lalrinpuii Ralte thanks for commenting though
I feel the same, but it’s the analysis that is interesting and the mechanisms explained that matters.
Why would you feel as if you were encroaching upon the privacy of the lives of individuals who obviously DON'T WANT THE PRIVACY? They are freely and openly VOLUNTEERING the intimate details of their marriage to the public domain-- whether for personal gain or therapeutic purposes. This was not a hostage ordeal.
It is painful to watch, but it is fascinating. I am forever interested in the lives of others. And admittedly that people curiosity has landed me in trouble more than once.
Unfortunately this was a turning point for society
Looks like his soul was crying inside when started talking @ 17:06
His jokes are all an act to hide how’s he’s really feeling
This video had some cuts in it but I think people felt Will was in pain when she kept going on and on about her other relationship. He appeared to be crying at some point and not as ok with the situation as she was. I think they also questioned his comfort level discussing these painful issues publicly for her show. He actually criticizes her doing this in another video where she is filming him without his consent to try to get him to publicly talk about what they talk about in therapy.
She also exploits her family with Red Table Talk for her own publicity, including her children, where she normalizes selfish things she does by reframing them as things like "open relationships" and "healing." She is the master at reframing things and making destructive and toxic things seem healthy. August cut her off for a reason. Will clearly felt very hurt by things he thinks she did to him in the past and does not seem over it in this video, while she tries to make light of it. He is just following her cues and avoiding saying much. Hes joking about things he feels deeply hurt by and isnt over because people are watching.
If you watch more of her show Ref Table Talk, you can see Will is insecure in his relationship with her. This is probably because she keeps saying things like she never wanted to be with him (she is absolutely horrible when she talks about their wedding day). By making him insecure in the relationship, she has all the power. It also seems very important to Jada that the world know how much he wanted her and how much she didnt care about being with him. Everything she says tends to flatter her and make everything she does somehow normal and healthy. We saw nothing in this video but her trying to redeem her reputation and getting him to reluctantly help her do that.
Therapists need to be able to see past peoples denial, justifying and normalizing of their toxic behaviors. They need to see past the deflecting jokes and make sure both people are heard and supported. Simply stating you are "healing" and "healthy" does not make it so. People saw the flags with this RTT and they were right. Now that the world watched Will flip out at the Oscars because Jada self-importantly rolled her eyes over an inoculous joke about her appearance, people can see there is very obviously nothing healthy or normal about these people.
True, and ppl dont need to listen to this type of therapist on youtube when they are only about feelings and not about the truth and about Man nature .. Goverment care too much about women to control them and giving them chans controll their husbands.. Thats why in Western culture womens becomes Narsist the most time...
Reality check: The majority of us are either in relationships that have it's challenges, a lot of us are alone and some of us are in relationships that are just volatile, abusive and unhealthy. So, as a result of our own personal struggles and disappointments, and sometimes just being nosey, we sit around and question other couples, especially those who have been together a long time like Will and Jada...and we wonder if they have that "fairytale, happily ever after" and then when we see that they are human and have issues too, some of us glorify in that. Bottom line is, that "fairytale" does NOT exist. If you are in a relationship, you care about each other and things are 70-80 % good, you are probably better off than most...but things are NOT perfect because people are NOT perfect.
THIS!!! 👆👏👏👏👏👏 Louder for the people in the back
THANK YOU!
Exactly!!!
I think this is perfect I would not change a thing
Well put. ❤️❤️ Loved this comment alot
If I hear the word 'healing' again, I throw up...Seems like healing is an excuse for everything
Same. Everybody out here to heal themselves while wrecking others.
Because healing is what we are doing on a continuous basis.. living is hard.. anyone can withstand a tragedy is the day today living that wears you down
"Healing" means that she can sleep around to fix her internal problems. She has no love or respect for her husband. He Loves and respects her because I don't think he has cheated on her. They took a break to fix themselves not to sleep around. This is just selfish.
Bad marriage. They deserve each other. There's still rare individuals that can offer loyalty and faithfulness. This people control by the fame and money.
Keshwin Mohan he have cheated before as well he’s not innocent
"This August fella" LMFAO
*Dr Kirk is so adorable...obv doesn't listen to that kinda music*
This is also a good example of a person whom very cleverly know how say they right things in order to cover a deeper and darker side
I agree. Surprised the therapist dismisses why people are interested in their relationship. I understand the gender bias aspects of this but body language still can be so obvious, she seems to have all the power in the relationship and I also think it’s interesting that they’re being congratulated for these “hard conversations” that are like psyudotherapy when basically Red Table talk was apparently monetizing his pain and humiliation a lot. Jadas TV show kind of reminds me of how therapy can cause a lot of harm done badly. She’s not unbiased as his partner but acts as the leader in these ‘hard discussions’, driving the narrative. It seems like possible brainwashing almost. (“I had to hurt you like this because I was on my necessary healing journey… don’t you agree?”)
You should watch August's interview first. He didn't describe their relationship as an entanglement. It sounded much more and he has a history of mental and medical health issues.
Jada's trauma, I believe, comes from her mother's 20 year drug addiction. August also had a drug addiction when he came into their lives.
The relationship may have been significant to him but insignificant to Jada
@@venessapurefoy8336 I agree!
he didn't call it that cause he was in love with her, and he felt he would win her enough to, one day, leave Will. Jada, on the other hand, might have loved him but not enough to leave Will. Therefore, she was significant to him but not significant enough to her
@@venessapurefoy8336 I think it was significant to a certain level to her I think.
Maybe the Red Table Talk Show is another distraction for Jada to look away from her own pain and issues. She literally focuses on other people's problems on that show.
No she really talks about her own life a lot. Go back and watch she puts a lot of her wish out there.
Sophia Gelsey I think Jada really messed up big time by sleeping with her son's best friend.
she is a narcissist
@@emilio2647 I think it just happened. She said they became a really good friends. We could say it the other way that he preyed on HER during a vulnerable period. He's not exactly innocent.
She needs to fix her family..
People wanted you to notice will and his mindset. He seemed still very angry and resentful towards her and that’s why he kept joking. Jada still seemed really selfish about it and didn’t bother asking how he felt about stuff.
THANK YOU
You don't need to study psychology to see that. In fact a lot of very high educated psychologists often lack the real life social intelligence to interprete the behaviour of someone rather than interprete literally the words they say.
Yeah this. I'm surprised it never came up. It's good that they're talking about it but its less about the topic itself/the media misinformation at the beginning and more about their behavior in this clip especially.
That's making a hell of a lot of assumptions. In a case where you do not know the people and their personality, its damaging to say that hes clearly angry because he makes jokes and shes clearly selfish when you have no idea how many times theyve discussed this privately or what they agreed to say during this talk.
@@angelostanojevic304 But the study of psychology also teaches you not to make assumptions, particularly not ones based on a previous bias towards certain parties, which many people in this comment section seem to have. He's discussing what he sees, not assuming everything about two people hes never met.
Just because she says she’s codependent doesn’t mean she is. She’s not. She’s a malignant narcissist and this session is abuse of Will. And she enjoys it.
I agree with you. I actually feel sorry for him now. He's in an abusive relationship. It's so hard to realise that when your abusers weapon is emotional manipulation.
I totally agree!!!
“Since it has been made public, I want to bring myself to the Table, and be honest. First of all, we were taking time apart from our Marriage, 4 years ago, and in the process, I was already emotional invested in my sons friend, August. That transcends into a friendship and later, in a romance. I was unfaithful, and Will IM SORRY for hurting you in my process to self love.” WHY SHE COULDN’T SAY THIS? She has a hard time using the word “unfaithful” she said she had NO regrets, because she believes this made her grow. Also, she turn back to her HUSBAND WHEN, August left Her... she said, August didn’t talk to her anymore. So, that being said, Jada has trouble recognizing and feeling remorse, that sounds exactly like a narcissistic personality disorder. Also, Wills reaction to her saying “entanglement” shows His need to get her to admit “relationship”. Body language its very important, and we can tell when someone is hurting or uncomfortable. That doesn’t mean is a 100% accurate, but it does guides us to a better understanding. 90% of our language is body language. I believe his using “jokes” a self defense mechanism, cause his uncomfortable with the topic, and you can see the sadness that, after 4 years of the event, he still shows in his eyes. Moreover, if she says: “I haven’t feel good in soooo long” they need to dig deeper, because that hurts Will in the process. He might think “she has NEVER been happy with me in 21 years? Is this marriage for real?” In the end, I see he respects her, I can see she is the dominant one in the relationship, and that they need more couples, and individual therapy.
How do you know Will and Jada didn't come to an understanding that they were allowed to see other people? They implied Will knew what was going on. If August got that impression and Jada and Will aren't refuting it, I don't understand why people are so determined to call her unfaithful. He said he was done with her and Jada said "you left me." What am I missing that everyone else is hearing?
@Chika I. Right? Like folks are so determined to make it out like she cheated, even though ALL THREE PARTIES are saying this was not cheating. Plus we were getting rumors about Will during that time as well, only difference is his rumors signed the NDA. She doesn't feel like she was unfaithful with August because she wasn't. And she shouldn't have to apologize when both parties agreed to separate and do their own thing for a couple years and then I guess somebody went to therapy (Jada). They finally found out a lot of answers they had about themselves, that it can be managed, and then reflected on how a past relationship deteriorated because of those issues. Now that they are working on them, they think they can repair relationships that were once broken.
They had a mutual separation. How would you define her involvement with another man as unfaithful?
Because she doesn’t see it as being unfaithful. Also, from some of the things Will says it sounds like he was having his own/had his own “entanglement”
WHY COULDN'T SHE SAY THIS?
Because people who have gotten away with not showing accountability for their behavior will continue to do so provided they can get what they want without growing.
The fact that you recognize this behavior in her displays a high level of awareness typically only present in high quality people who have grown into a high emotional intelligence.
Congratulations for investing in yourself. It seems to be paying off!
Whether the audience feels as though she was unfaithful or not is irrelevant. What is rather blatant is that Will feels as though she was unfaithful. It seems pretty clear that his impression of their separation was that they were taking time apart to work on themselves individually. It's equally clear that her choice to start another relationship has deeply hurt him, despite his ability to hide his pain with humor in front of the camera.
You're observations seem very on point.
"There's a fella named August?" 😂
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That part killed me🤣🤣🤣🤣
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#DEAD!!! LMAO
@@julietmooketsi6746 🤣🤣
One of the best break downs of this video! No throwing shade like all the other reviews of it, just knowledge given...Thanks doc!
T. C. Yessss! I feel like they owe him a check 😂 but seriously he analyzed that well, especially not truly knowing the entire story. I am impressed 👍🏽
God. I worry about a therapist who can't see narcissism when it's screaming it's existence and he still thinks she's acting healthy!
Cmon!
Jada abused Will for years and he's such a nice guy he tried to make it work.
How dare she treat him so bad.
Exactly
Exactly she is showing lot of narcissism traits in this talk & I don't really understand how she didn't realise atleast during red table talk with Dr ramani on narcissism
Therapists are dumb. They pretend to know erverything, but they now nothing and mostly of them don't have empathy. He seems like to be one oft them. Don't believe a "expert" just because it's a therapist, they just talk crap
She's an empath
This guy takes everything they are saying at face value and not looking deeper. He must have when to Jada's school of psychotherapy.
You should respond to the interview of the August Alsina the man Jada had an entanglement with
Yes!
Yes so it wont be so biased
Definitely
Yes please
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I wish you found out the back story first because the context of the situation may influence your speculations, but I'm still going to watch 💞
I emailed him some other information (August interview for instance) for background. Hopefully he sees it and does a few more reactions for us as a result.
Agreed!!! I appreciate his comments nonetheless but he needs more of the backstory.
Whats the back story?
mary only will and August know the backstory. I’ve seen nothing but base speculation
His reaction would probably be more or less the same. Our conclusions, as spectators, about those stigmas may be different but they don’t matter. He’s a marriage therapist reacting to this moment where these two are being very upfront with each other, so what more could you ask for? Really good communication regardless of whatever happened
Will Smith looks like a hostage in this 'talk'.
He doesn't like having to air out his dirty laundry, the fact that his open marriage came to light might effect his image/career so he's forced to do damage control.
He was. If you really look at his face. He is truly pissed. He is really waiting for the lights and camera's to go off. He going to let her have it
@@maheenm.k1015 OMG. Yes!
Yesssss!!!!!
Lol
She seems totally unaffected, while he seems on the verge of tears.
"I hope that I reacted in a way that is satisfying to you, I never really know." - me, every time I have extended social interaction
That's called being a people pleaser
@@shadyeighty1 Yeah, my deadly trait. I am in therapy for that very syndrome. The healing is exhilarating. I am loving learningg how to love me, along with treating others good too.
@@adimeter Healthy egoism is the way forward, with healthy being the key word here. All the best
@@shadyeighty1 Thank you so much. I'm working on it!
My future relationships status when i am in doubt will be "Entanglement"
Should be a new Facebook relationship status
I feel like Jada has dealt with some of the issues leading her to involve herself with her "entanglement", but feel like she was dismissive of how it affected Will. It would have been nice for her to admit, "i understand how I hurt you when..." or "im sorry for..."but calling it an entanglement seemed rather dismissive, whether it be an affair or relationship. Who knows what they have said in their private talks.
I didn't get the impression that Will was joking in a healthy 'I've dealt with this and can now laugh' kind of way. I suspect that since he is an entertainer, he feels some pressure to make light of the situation and is resorting to humor as it comes more natural to him.
As a completely uninvolved observer, I have a lot of respect for them bringing this delicate topic to the public. Taking control of the situation in a way instead of letting the media go crazy with it. I wish them the best and hope that they don't force the relationship to work to satisfy the public, but for their own desire to be a healthier stronger couple/individuals.
She doesn't give a sh!t about anything or anyone but HERSELF. She just enjoys being in front of the camera and hearing herself TALK.
Yesss! She is absolutely self-absorbed and dismissive of anything that doesn't affect her. She repulses me honestly. I remember watching a Red Table Talk from like winter and they spoke about his upbringing or love languages and she was controlling all the conversation and moving around anything that didn't benefit her in the conversation. Ugh.
Best reply so far. 👍🏽
I just think they're in an open relationship and really don't want to admit it. Not sure why, it doesn't make them look any better imo. But then I know Americans can be very puritanical
@Lola Y yes. you are right. why are people so bent on pointing out Jada's dirt but left Will squeaky clean? Will was most definitely doing the same thing, period !!!
Jada claims she really cared for August and wanted to help him. So she slept with him for years and then broke his heart.
At the end of the day Will and Jada have a functional "dysfunctional" relationship that is typical of narcissists and of and co-dependents. The narcissist and co-dependent are made for each other and they will never leave.
They have fused based on their childhood trauma. They have a toxic trauma bond. They intentionally engage in behavior that they know will hurt the other person. After the hurt, they bond and they become closer. Classic trauma bonding behavior.
Jada has endured years of Will's cheating. They can talk about this openly, but we should not be giving them kudos or commending them for using fancy therapist language to talk about their toxic relationship.
Staying in dysfunction isn't commendable.
ineedhoez you’re making a lot of assumptions. At the end of the day, only they (and their therapist, if they have one) really know what’s going on in their relationship. All we see is what the media portrays of them, and this video, which can be performative or not. The fact is we don’t know. I’m absolutely no expert, but I definitely respect Dr. Kirk’s opinion, and even more, I’m married myself, and know how hard and messy it can be, and I don’t consider myself more “damaged” than the next person.
@@chise963 they have a therapists thats why they weya able to go thru it
katherine barrios oh please, you haven’t seen all of the footage of them talking about the relationship. In one interview jada says “will can do whatever he wants as long as he can look in the mirror” so I think that gives some context that he has had extramarital affairs or at least was looking to engage in them. It’s also being investigated that Will was friends with Jeffrey Epstein. I think we have 2 people both equally in the wrong here but it is not being treated that way.
Indeed you should be doing the RUclips therapy.
I’ll take Dr. Honda’s commentary, thanks
When someone masters therapy-speak, it allows them to explain away the real-life damage they do to the people around them
Exactly.
Thank you. When you've had enough therapy you learn how to use therapist jargon and give the therapists what they want to hear, like this therapist. He is liking the BS jada is spewing
I agree. Shes talked about her codependency and her unhappiness hurting Will before and its like ok then this happened again and Will got hurt again. When does it stop?
Nailed it.
I'm sorry but you are so wrong. She's using her words very deliberately to functionally communicate abstract feelings and senses she experienced to Will in a way he will understand. He's obviously very receptive of that. I understand you probably feel bad for Will, but your defense of him is almost in stark contrast to what he believes, so unless you know Will personally this para-social relationship you've formed with him is very harmful, as right now you're using it to perpetuate the notion that women are sly and manipulative just because they're honest about their feelings. Not only is that harmful to women, but it also furthers the idea that men shouldn't open up for fear of seeming sly and manipulative.
An open marriage do your thing when it’s consented to. However August needed healing and guidance and she took advantage of his feelings to help “find herself.”
At the end of the day. That's a grown ass man. It is NO BODYS JOB to fix anyone. If he can do all this extra stuff he's been doing. He'll be alright lol
@@LumosYagami It's definitely no one's job to fix anyone, but he was an extremely vulnerable person at the time of their encounter. Someone who is mentally stable is taking advantage of another person when they ask them for help because they are suffering mentally. If someone came to you asking for help because they were on their last leg, would you really turn them away by saying that it's not your job? Further, would you think it is appropriate to enter a sexual relationship with them?
Good point!!!
@@bblcommisions it sounds like she was too. They were two vulnerable people. She had to try and fix a marriage after. At least he could move on knowing he wasn't a homewrecker and just was leaving a bad relationship/situationship.
Were did you here them say that in this interview. Just wondering.
As a therapist, you could ask yourself: who shows empathy for the other? Who shows only empathy for them self?
Why miss such basic stuff!
I don't think being in pain is an excuse to step outside your marriage. What about the pain she's caused her children and husband. Excusing Jada's behavior is not healthy! As a result her children appear damaged, her husband damaged and the young man August was damaged! I think some relationships are TOXIC and UNHEALTHY! Now at the Oscars will has SNAPPED! Folks need to face REALITY. Jada needs to STOP putting her business in the streets! Her and Will both appear BROKEN. A bump in the road!!!!!! This is much more than a bump in the road!!!!! I hope no one SNAPPS more than what happened at the Oscars! This is NOT a laugjing matter! I don't see the humour! Let's hope he doesn't act VIOLENT toward another person!!!!
Yea Seattle psychology is no for me
Yea you missin a bunch of red flags here and fallin for jadas holier than thou healing crap
It’s based off of one convo - if he was their therapist they’d have multiple convos individually and together about their backgrounds and this issue. He doesn’t follow their marriage, he’s just going off of this one convo. By the third convo a good psychologist can generally start to see the bull crap.
Also - this is a curated convo cultivated by Jada and Will. A therapist will ask questions and ask you to go where you don’t want to go. As a therapist it’s not your job to judge the person you’re giving therapy to. If the family is asking you to help them work through infidelity, they will try until they conclude that you’re unable to. A good therapist will cut the relationship off if they sense you’re using the therapist as a weapon in the relationship.
The reason why everyone's up in arms about it was it was her son's good friend and there was a 20 year age gap. Like you've said though, age gap alone isn't a cause of concern. But he was also struggling with mental health. For it to go from helping with his health to an affair is nothing short of predatory
Depends where the gap lies. Younger more inexperienced people are eaiser to manipulate that someone her age.
Predatory and selfish, she acts as if she "fixed" him when she herself is too broken to do so.. And after she felt better and was pulling away from August she was telling him from her actions that she didn't want him anymore, she was done using him for herself and was ready to discard him probably after a few more uses. Plain and simple she took advantage of him when he was vulnerable and tossed him away without any regard to his health she oh so cares about..
@@infinitelove6799 yooo the savior complex is sick. The narcissism in here is astounding
She also said that he was like a son to her.... pretty disturbing when you think about her having sex with someone she considers her son.
@@katrina8046 Exactly, really disturbing
Dr. Hondas reaction when Will said he was done with Jada's ass😂😂
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But how is, "helping heal somebody" sleeping with them and essentially entering into a relationship with them only to later dismiss and downplay the whole thing when that same person needed genuine guidance and mentorship over being used as some sort of sex-toy distraction instead of a human being?
Because, "Wahmen is never wrong." ~ PewDiePie
Good point. Although it's clear they both used each other.
As a guy this has happened to me and started to make me think its ok. Still isnt excuse though.
I think that it is more about taking yourself out of a situation (splitting up with Will) and finding yourself in a new environment, in her case she's somebody who needs to fix , fix and fix and i think she found that freedom and space with the other guy for some time.
Lizzy Grant the question what most people should be asking is why would she lower her standards to sleep with a dude who is the same age as her son.
Whether you are counseling someone as a friend, parental figure, or for that matter, a licensed therapist, boundaries need to be set in place. Crossing those boundaries can be damaging to the vulnerable one on so many levels, no matter what age. I am suprised that Dr. Honda did not comment on that aspect. When Jada wanted to take it to another level, I believe she felt that was her earned reward for "helping" August, uncaring about the damage caused. It was selfish, manipulative, and predatory. She should have encouraged August to seek professional help right in the beginning, instead of "playing" a shrink, especially knowing she had her own issues to deal with.
bc he’s clueless.
When Jada said she wanted to feel good. And that she hadn't felt good in a long time. I felt Will's heart sink. Did Wil feel responsible for that? Did he feel like that area was a failure on his part? 🤷♀️. Either way. They seem to be making it through this. As strong couples should.
@@godallowsuturns679 exactly
Their other videos in Facebook discuss this as well. Will felt like a failure
That's her responsibility and he will (no pun intended) be wise to not that take onto his shoulders. Obviously her actions hurt him very deeply and I'm not sure if she understands the weight of it on him.
Bullcrap she's making excuses.
@@rosean374 ok. I gotta check those out.
Will looks sadddddddd and saying "entanglement" is such a cop out
At least he (Will) called her out on it
He look pissed off to me. I don’t see sad I see rage
He looked annoyed to me. His extras kept quiet hers ran his mouth
Listen, it’s sad when people look sad, but I’m hardly understanding the offense? Sometimes in relationships the other person feels sad. But they are literally doing everything they can do about it- they are communicating honestly. And maybe as Will becomes more comfortable he can communicate more of his own feelings.
Women look “saddddddddd” sitting in the seat too.
Will smith handles this EXTREMELY well.
Update :: NOT ANYMORE.
He handled it like a Simp.
@@441aspire So... well. Like they said.
I think Will handled it best he could . But it should have been discussed in private. We don't need to know all their stuff and issues. Pray they are able to work it all out as they have kids and are a family
he is a gutless, if it was a woman who had been cheated on you would be saying "GURRRLLL LEAVE HIM, YOU DESERVE BETTER"
@@TestAccount-uu9vp I’m generally pro “Get married once and do everything in your power to not divorce”. If they were dating I would very much be telling him to get out of there, but being married and in love with someone for decades and having kids is a different situation.
I think by “Will Smith handled this well” OP might mean “he didn’t react with violence or anger, but responded with humor”.
If she cheated then he certainly deserves better, but when you’re older and have kids there’s a more pros to trying to work it out than cons bc you’re in so deep. But don’t say he’s gutless for still being in love with a woman who he expected to spend the rest of his life with.
Although this is not a real therapy session but a public display for the two celebrities to save their image, the therapist is buying into all of Jada’s narrative while ignoring Will’s body language of unresolved pain. I wonder how he would approach this in a real therapy session？
I had a proffesor in 80's when I was getting my BS in Psych who described the pain...etc..that we suppress as a "beach ball we r trying to sit on and hold down in the water".
I will NEVER forget that prof, Dr.G .....he had such a way of metaphorically speaking which made it sooooo easy to TRULY understand certain concepts.
He went on to say that we had two choices w/the "beach ball" aka "our suppressed feelings".... either reach down.... take hold of it...gently help to guide it out from underneath us....and out of water....OR...we could keep trying to sit on it.... balancing ourselves.... til it came popping up & out from underneath us.... FLYING....out of control.
Any of y'all ever tried to sit & balance on a beach ball in water....I found I could NEVER balance for long. 🤔😉
With so much appreciation and respect....RIP... Dr. G....you taught me so much!
lori or you pop that beach ball
@@majo3423 REALLY good point MA Jo! I agree w/you! Also....just wanted to mention...I love the flower in your Avatar....looks so much like the beautiful blooms from a Crape Myrtle tree 😉😇
Excellent metaphor indeed.
Your one of my favorite channels for sure... I just can't put into a RUclips comment how much your content has changed me and my life for the better. Even just your outro, "Take care of yourself, because you deserve it, you really really do", has become a personal mantra for my life, in rebuilding my self-esteem. Thank you so much for making the content that you do; it is invaluable.
There has been talk of them having an open relationship for at least a decade, so I feel like this is damage control
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Its so easy to see when you are awoke and not just looking for entertainment.
Yes! Remember there were rumors of her and Marc Anthony seen holding hands 🧐
Can we get an update on this video and if you still agree with everything you said after seeing Will's actions and the social media posts he's been putting up with just negative self talk and need to be "younger?"
This evaluation of Jada and Will's situation is the most sensible, professional, and compassionate viewpoint that I've heard to date.
My thoughts exactly
The compassion is really forced, and it is anything but sensible. You should look past the therapist jargon and listen to what he’s actually saying. His point doesn’t change even a little bit as the conversation progresses and new information is presented. He just sticks to the narrative that he chose to accept within the first minute. That’s not sensible.
Yes it is: complete contrast to all the fucking work hair expert airheads out there.
Snozzy Bosch just because you’re a contrarian, doesn’t mean you’re right. This guys “analysis” is far from it.
Jada and Will always said they had an open marriage. This is what noncommittment gets you
I just don’t understand why they made this vid 🤷🏻♀️
Right, its all for show . Behind closed doors he must be devastated. And she isnt being honest about how she treated and took advantage of August, given his issues and the fact he is 20 years her junior.
They probably did it to clarify rumors, humanize them as a "superstar" couple, and to inspire others going through rough marriages to give hope that they can make it through to the other side together.
He actually explains it in the last couple of minutes in this video. That as humans we need to see these talks about our relationships so it can help us learn as a society. By Will and Jada talking about this in public it may help someone with their own personal relationships.
PR.
To get ahead of the rumors a la the show Scandal
No, they initially gaslight August by claiming the affair never happened. They both denied it until he did an interview and stated publicly there was an affair.
I'd like to see a update on this after the Oscars. I also think this is a case of divergent careers in Hollywood couples who get together during a time when both are successful and where one spouse has their career excel while the other one is on the decline. It's happened before. Most don't do a public airing of it.
Agree. Also it’s weird how Jada chose to have kids and get married. Nobody forced her to do these things, so she can’t blame it on Will. If a man or woman doesn’t want marriage or kids, that’s ok, just say so, so the other person knows and can make a decision on continuing or ending it.
I don't hear ppl really talking abt this enough. Jada has always struck me as extremely ambitious. I think she's disappointed that her career hasn't been bigger, & that she's known primarily as the WIFE of a superstar instead of being one herself. Part of her unhappiness might stem from this. This kind of thing usually happens when the wife is the big success (Reese W, Hilary Swank etc) & the husband can't handle it. The marriage ends pretty quickly in those situations.
Will made a statement during the Father's Day episode: "I'm a way better father than a husband", "the worst thing for him was divorcing his first wife" (ultimate failure), and he talked about how he appreciated him and Jada not bargaining the family against their indiscretions (they never used the kids/family unit as a threat). IMO that was what Bad Marriage for life represented; their way of saying we are not gonna break up our family no matter how bad entanglements get.
Where did u hear about fathers day?
@@msladypmodel it was a Red table talk episode. they were on the Red Couch though
This couple has to be in their 50s with 20 years of marriage. At what point does Jada Smith seek help for childhood trauma? Certainly she has access to good care. This highlights how many people have childhood trauma and the shaky ground on which couple commit themselves to each other.
Right she's a damn fool for that excuse!!
I think its important to understand that just because someone has access to many things it doesnt change the fact that they are human beings with fears and battles they must confront just like you and I. Its hard for everyone to be able to face those things head on people have their own way of doing that.
Also, childhood trauma is not something that immediately goes away just because you go to therapy. Therapy will absolutely be needed/helpful as well as continual. Trauma pops up in life at different points, when you least expect it and even if you've worked on that trauma before. The way she speaks sounds as if she has done a lot of work on herself and has found other areas of her life that need attention.
I feel that what the doctor said bounced off most people's heads
Right everyone's stuck on Jada being manipulative but he was dropping gems. I didn't expect to learn so much about the mind behind codependency.
I totally agree with you! Many people here are to judge Jada or Will instead of truly hearing what they are saying to each other, instead of seeing that J&W are expressing a real understanding for each other. Some people will dismiss even the experts opinion to stuck mindlessly to their own perceptions believing that only their view is right no matter what 🙄
Reading these comments I agree. The Dr. pointed out some great points.
Agree ten fold. The first few minutes when he said 'today people will dump someone when really the reality is in long term relationships, you have these chapters more times than not and its okay to admit that theres more good here to work with'....to me that is SO important...and its not seen enough. To make a committed pact to a relationship is to walk thru those chapters no matter what. . i think many lack the maturity to get that
@plsdont interesting you missed that the doctor who is a MAN also thinks so. You're just here proving my point.
Jada is really happy with herself. Will is miserable.