The biggest difference for me is the stiff cuff. I have to use the wrap with premium to get the support, but then that adds a lot of volume and makes it hard to close the plastic cuff on boot. With the 3M, you get the stiffness of the premium with wrap without the thickness. But I did find an issue with the 3m tongue tearing at the point between the stiff part and rest of the tonight at the 45D strap area.
I'm super excited for the stiffer top section, especially when I'm using longer frames I think it will add support for more powerful toe press tricks! Thanks for the heads up about the tongue, I'll keep an eye out as that's also happening on my Premium liners
Nice comparison, I really enjoy the Wizard 3M Intuitions, they've allowed me to comfortably fit the 42 shells with my 276mm feet - well, after the break in period and initial toe banging 😅 I've been using mine a year and the material on the tongue is peeling as well as the inner lining near the tongue, BUT neither of these parts are directly in contact with me or my feet and it doesn't make any difference. I just found it interesting they've worn quicker there than the Danny Beer THEMtuitions I've got. Saying that they feel great and I have no reason not to believe they won't continue to do so for years to come! I hope you enjoy them, interested to hear your thoughts after skating as I don't have any expectations with the Premiums.
Hello friend, could you tell me how the Them are compared to the 3M Wizard, which one is thinner, how different the tabs are. I want to buy one of these two but I have doubts about which is the best option for me.
@@otarkaeones1135 the 3m Wizard Intuition liner is the thinnest one by quite a considerable margin, it also has a stiffer tongue. The THEM Intuitions are really good quality and the tongue is still pretty stiff, but the biggest difference is that it's higher volume with thicker foams. Hope that helps.
I would say that its worth replacing, yes. The material isn thicker than the intuition and not as firm so if you replace with intuition you can probably use a smaller size of shell than with the stock liner. Also the stock liner has a very soft tongue so it won't be as supportive as intuition, and likely will not last as long either
I am in a lot of pain using wizard premiums, followed the wizard chart for boot and liners and I can only go for half an hour to an hour before kicking them off my feet in anger & pain. Would the 3M's give me a bit more toe space?
Awesome video dude! 💯 By the way, do you know how is the fit of the wizard liner with the Seba CJ carbon (2020)? I'm considering getting this boot, gut it and put the liners but I'm still not sure about the boot size I should get, I would like to have the smallest boot size that fit my 24.5-25 cm wizard liner, the wizard sizing chart suggest getting a 39 wizard shell but I don't know if the same chart applies to the non-wizard carbon shell. Anyone with a recommendation? 😄
would you say it's possible to still use intuition liners if you have not downsized your shell? my current skate shell i bought as a "comfort fit", so i did not size down at all. However now I am wondering if i can still swap my default Rollerblade liners for Intuitions or if that would just make them feel too big and loose?
It's likely that they would have some extra space between the liner and the shell, but there are ways to fix that. Specifically patriot footbeds sells this neoprene liner wrap that goes around the ankle area, and that could work. The benefits of the still intuition tongue and foam might be worth it, and you can always move the liner to a new shell later
I actually just did this and it's working prettty well. I cut a bit higher so the J bars are still connected behind my achilles. The wizard 3M's have been difficult to make work, with the thicker cuff area. I'm finally feeling like I'm breaking in the heel area such that my toes aren't as crunched as they were at first. Probably should do a check-in vid soon :)
I have two pair of the 3m wizards and the premiums were NOT for me, but I love my wizards. I wear 28.5s also and I'd have to say that a 28.5 premium feels overall tighter and thicker than a 28.5 wizard liner.
It was a slow and steady process, but if you put in the hours and really want it, it will happen. then you look back at your early skating and realize how far you've come
Thanks for the comparison, I might try to downsize more with a sx carbon combined with the 3M !
Yes that's definitely the goal of these liners!
The biggest difference for me is the stiff cuff. I have to use the wrap with premium to get the support, but then that adds a lot of volume and makes it hard to close the plastic cuff on boot. With the 3M, you get the stiffness of the premium with wrap without the thickness. But I did find an issue with the 3m tongue tearing at the point between the stiff part and rest of the tonight at the 45D strap area.
I'm super excited for the stiffer top section, especially when I'm using longer frames I think it will add support for more powerful toe press tricks! Thanks for the heads up about the tongue, I'll keep an eye out as that's also happening on my Premium liners
Nice comparison, I really enjoy the Wizard 3M Intuitions, they've allowed me to comfortably fit the 42 shells with my 276mm feet - well, after the break in period and initial toe banging 😅
I've been using mine a year and the material on the tongue is peeling as well as the inner lining near the tongue, BUT neither of these parts are directly in contact with me or my feet and it doesn't make any difference. I just found it interesting they've worn quicker there than the Danny Beer THEMtuitions I've got. Saying that they feel great and I have no reason not to believe they won't continue to do so for years to come! I hope you enjoy them, interested to hear your thoughts after skating as I don't have any expectations with the Premiums.
*any experience with the Premiums.
Hello friend, could you tell me how the Them are compared to the 3M Wizard, which one is thinner, how different the tabs are. I want to buy one of these two but I have doubts about which is the best option for me.
@@otarkaeones1135 the 3m Wizard Intuition liner is the thinnest one by quite a considerable margin, it also has a stiffer tongue. The THEM Intuitions are really good quality and the tongue is still pretty stiff, but the biggest difference is that it's higher volume with thicker foams. Hope that helps.
@@chilli-iceolive-abode2447 Thanks for responding, the truth is that I was looking for the thinnest, so your comment is very helpful to me! :)
Good to know, I've been super curious about how these compare since they restocked
Glad to share my findings - I'm sure there are more differences too!
What could you tell me about the liner that comes with the seba cj, which is like a copy of the intuition, is it worth replacing it with an intuition?
I would say that its worth replacing, yes. The material isn thicker than the intuition and not as firm so if you replace with intuition you can probably use a smaller size of shell than with the stock liner. Also the stock liner has a very soft tongue so it won't be as supportive as intuition, and likely will not last as long either
I am in a lot of pain using wizard premiums, followed the wizard chart for boot and liners and I can only go for half an hour to an hour before kicking them off my feet in anger & pain. Would the 3M's give me a bit more toe space?
Most likely not. Depends on the toe space you need. First question: have you removed the velcro cuff wrap of the premium liner?
Awesome video dude! 💯 By the way, do you know how is the fit of the wizard liner with the Seba CJ carbon (2020)? I'm considering getting this boot, gut it and put the liners but I'm still not sure about the boot size I should get, I would like to have the smallest boot size that fit my 24.5-25 cm wizard liner, the wizard sizing chart suggest getting a 39 wizard shell but I don't know if the same chart applies to the non-wizard carbon shell. Anyone with a recommendation? 😄
Sorry I'm not sure I don't have any experience with the carbon shells. I heard they are individually sized, whereas the plastic shells span two sizes.
would you say it's possible to still use intuition liners if you have not downsized your shell? my current skate shell i bought as a "comfort fit", so i did not size down at all. However now I am wondering if i can still swap my default Rollerblade liners for Intuitions or if that would just make them feel too big and loose?
It's likely that they would have some extra space between the liner and the shell, but there are ways to fix that. Specifically patriot footbeds sells this neoprene liner wrap that goes around the ankle area, and that could work. The benefits of the still intuition tongue and foam might be worth it, and you can always move the liner to a new shell later
Do you use the stock shock that comes on the CJs, or just the Intuition shock and 3/4 insole?
I use the intuition heel pad, it feels the best to me
How is the density in the toe box? Is the foam thicker or thinner in the wizard?
The foam in the toe/foot area is definitely thinner on the wizard.
Thank you!!!!!
Did you try cutting the Jbars and attaching separately? And how did you end up liking the Wizard 3ms?
I actually just did this and it's working prettty well. I cut a bit higher so the J bars are still connected behind my achilles. The wizard 3M's have been difficult to make work, with the thicker cuff area. I'm finally feeling like I'm breaking in the heel area such that my toes aren't as crunched as they were at first. Probably should do a check-in vid soon :)
I have two pair of the 3m wizards and the premiums were NOT for me, but I love my wizards. I wear 28.5s also and I'd have to say that a 28.5 premium feels overall tighter and thicker than a 28.5 wizard liner.
That makes sense- I had a lot of trouble fitting into the premium until I heat molded it the second time and used the 3/4 length insole
If the Wizard is roomier for you, could you go down a size? and at the same time go down a boot size?
Trust the wizard 🧙
Haha I'm trying! 🙏
Can’t wait to achieve 🧙♂️ status 🛼
It was a slow and steady process, but if you put in the hours and really want it, it will happen. then you look back at your early skating and realize how far you've come