I’m SO happy to see this video; as I’ve followed you both since this summer, where I got back into inline skating. I started out by watching Ricardo Lino’s many great beginner videos, as I had somehow forgotten how to do things like power stop/slide and even my cross-overs were not working like they should. After I finally realized that I was supinating heavily, I changed the skates and immediately had a blast. I then watched a lot of ThisIsSoul’a videos, along with continuing with Ricardo Lino’s videos… And in late autumn, I finally got an excuse for ordering at ThisIsSoul. I was highly impressed with the guidance I got - even a phone call from the man to ensure the ordered items would work for me as desired! Alas… although the order arrived fast, it couldn’t stave off the coming of the Danish winter, which has lasted until now (and will continue to do so for another month or two). Thanks to both of you! Being 44 and getting back into inline skating would’ve been much, much harder without your videos!
Skating flat with sola frames and metal hub wheels has been the best skatepark experience regarding speed and energy transfer I’ve had. Also grinding metal on metal is its own experience worth having by itself. Shout out Sola Equipment!
I have the TS1s, which came with the old buckle. I upgraded to the new Kizer buckle and even used the new receptor, simply by drilling a new mounting hole. The new receptor fits neatly into the slot in the cuff that the strap goes through, which means it isn't able to spin and twist like the old one. The cuff feels way more secure.
What do you mean by the case? But the other thing is the rubber means can’t keep grinding like in say them, where I’d just keep grinding into the boot haha I didn’t quite understand what you two were saying about it being related to it being able to fit on lots of skates
The heel lift in these were too much for me to even skate. It only helped slightly when I used the back strap from a true 2nd skin liner. The ts1 liner has velcro across the back to accept it. That boot/liner has like 0 heel pocket which made it a no go for me. Went with a updated Sway instead and it was so much better imo.
Last I checked the Mesmer shell/ boot sizing has not changed yet the liners in the TS1 and TS2 have been updated to be a more accurate portrayal of what sizing should be/ more true to size. Skate boot UK size and US size rarely align with the actual mm size or actual cm size ( I.E. a skate be listed as a US 8-9 yet have a length of 28.5 cm which would be more consistent with a size US 10-10.5). With the newer Mesmer models If you were to cross reference the MM / IN of the shell with the Liner’s UK/US size ( and mm/in) it will certainly help you determine from a length perspective which size to order.
the shell is the same.. but they did adjutments with the liner.... from the first model...to the second model.. till now..they have always been doing changes on the liner...and. now they also have different size "tags" ...
@@Sac2Bay toe box is “roomier” but more so in a way where for many people the top of the shell no longer is in contact and/or pressing down on the top of your toes / foot.
oh yes, the classic power slide raised heel with anti-Shock pad and the old USD insole that has a shock pad built in 🤣... I understand when they do that on their flat boots but come on now. At the same time it's pretty cool that they do include them because maybe there are people out there that want double shock absorption on a raised heel 🤷 .... by the way, superfeet hockey comfort yellow insoles have a heel cup that provides shock absorption without adding height. I find it perfect for m12s/cults and anything you want shock absorption without changing height.
i don’t dislike the shock absorver but its important that people know the foot will be in a more aggressive forward lean position, which is less stable. 🤷🏻♂️
Mesmer 🖤 What's your opinion on the new plastic vs the PEBAX? I think they had some problems with shell deformation warping the soulplate due to pebax, Mushroom guys talked a bit about it... tho so far on my Bolinos I did not notice it yet. If I had to bet on future products I think Levi's skate is going to be a brownish colored boot and it will be using the new plastic for the shell with a pebax cuff. Had to do some heavy mods to my mesmer's but so far they are the best skate I've ever tried. - Trimming cuff height, v cutting it and v cutting in beetween upper foot eyelets
i think they are not using it on team skates…. i may be wrong but i think i have heard it on a podcast or read it somewhere.. but i may be wrong.. but at the end of the day… i like them jon bolinos and the other two i had.. my biggest concern was to have them in the right sizing and i now know exactly what that is… the Pebax is not something i felt extremely different but im also the guy who does not feel crazy good bearings like some people do.. 🤷🏻♂️
@@RicardoLino I remember reading on instagram that Billy said the team skates use the regular plastic vs the pro model which is part of the cost difference.
Yes they definitely use different plastic, TS1 and TS2 use " the new plastic" "special flex composite material" similar to OG thrones. Supposedly to get manufacturing cost down on team skates. Bolino and Dom skates boot and shell are full PEBAX , Researched a bit into PEBAX and it seemed like a really good approach for agg inline, so I was keen on hearing the differences. But overall glad that the feedback is good. A boot company offering the same boots with different materials is definitely interesting. @@RicardoLino
The heel shockabsorber is to thick. Its was terrible to skate first. I took it out and put a flat gel-sole under the liner and now I love them. They are great for topsides. To avoid wheelbite when riding flat simply put in 58mm.
we spoke about several sizing things… from the size chart adjustment, to the slim liner… if we didn’t speak about mold changes in the toe are is because none of us believe they happened .. they fhey are now true to size in my opinion.
not that i am aware.. their sizing its 37-38 / 39-40 / 41-42/ 43-44 ... and they are true to size in my opinion, but the size son the Mesmer now are not like this...they are 40-41 / 42-43 ....
@@RicardoLino I had it off a bit. They switched the 9-10 to a 10-10.5 and the 7-8 to an 8-9. But yeah, this happened before the Aeon Basic and the Aeon XIX.
@@Thisissoul They have not, atleast not in the USA. There didn't used to be a 10-10.5. The 9-10 become a 10-10.5. It was originally as follows 7-8, 9-10, 11-12, then it became 7-7.5, 8-9, 10-10.5, 11-12. Just like the Mesmer, they didn't make a new shell, they just changed the size range recommended for that particular size shell.
@@Thisissoul No problem. I imagine if they were what they were supposed to be the skate would perform slightly better. It's one thing if it was a simple misprint but the Bolino and Ts1s wheels are this way. Don't own the Bruce model but could only assume the same.... Can't understand why they'd do that.
I've found that the boot is quite inflexible (lateral flex) - is that just me? I'm used to skating and Aeon. Maybe they will be become more flexible with use as I've only worn them a handful of times. Anyone else have this experience?
that was one of the first things we spoke about… they changed the sizing.. mesmer skates used to be 41-42 (which fitted big) , they adjusted the sizing to calling it 42-43.. may seem a simple thing, but it turned these skates into a true to size skate.
@@RicardoLino Wow thank you for replying! Do you have any recommendations for quadroller grind blocks? The ones from Bont and Chaya are really expensive!
I don’t feel that. But I believe what they mean is the liners are slimmer. At least I don’t see mold changes (would not be easy… but maybe I’m wrong… I doubt on this but possible)
I understand the dtiffness maybe if that is what you mean. I did my best not to interupt ricardo so maybe thats what you mean. Definity love that guy. We can talk for days with no problem at all
wow… really? well.. me and ivo actually like each other.. to the point I invited him to come visit me and my family in Portugal. about our communicating, i was very curious about ivos feedback of the skates… i know he likes to get very deep into skate details and i myself love to talk about these type of stuff.. so i was extremely concentrated, trying to listen to ivo and engage….. i never knew when we could finish or if there was more info to come..heheh. i honestly enjoyed.
I disagree I thought it was really interesting specialy the heal raise/shock absorber/insole information. Also don't forget, both these guys are not speaking their native language.
that buckle is absolte trash, the mounting plate is plastic and ive broken 2 pairs and many other people have done the same on mesmers and sways that have the "supreme" buckle.
Great video. There's something so chill about watching two huge skate nerds just vibe over skate design and give their opinions on a skate
Thank you!
Thisissoul has to be one of the best shops when it comes to information about different skates.
Sunt de accord
I’m SO happy to see this video; as I’ve followed you both since this summer, where I got back into inline skating.
I started out by watching Ricardo Lino’s many great beginner videos, as I had somehow forgotten how to do things like power stop/slide and even my cross-overs were not working like they should.
After I finally realized that I was supinating heavily, I changed the skates and immediately had a blast.
I then watched a lot of ThisIsSoul’a videos, along with continuing with Ricardo Lino’s videos…
And in late autumn, I finally got an excuse for ordering at ThisIsSoul. I was highly impressed with the guidance I got - even a phone call from the man to ensure the ordered items would work for me as desired!
Alas… although the order arrived fast, it couldn’t stave off the coming of the Danish winter, which has lasted until now (and will continue to do so for another month or two).
Thanks to both of you! Being 44 and getting back into inline skating would’ve been much, much harder without your videos!
Skating flat with sola frames and metal hub wheels has been the best skatepark experience regarding speed and energy transfer I’ve had. Also grinding metal on metal is its own experience worth having by itself. Shout out Sola Equipment!
dude… cant wait to have you back.. this new bowl really is a sola / famus type of bowl 🏆
Thanks for the footage without music, it feels so much better, the sounds of the slides and everything is awesome 👍
Thank you. Sometimes with the wind it’s hard to do.. other times just works perfect. I’m glad you enjoyed it
I have the TS1s, which came with the old buckle. I upgraded to the new Kizer buckle and even used the new receptor, simply by drilling a new mounting hole. The new receptor fits neatly into the slot in the cuff that the strap goes through, which means it isn't able to spin and twist like the old one. The cuff feels way more secure.
The Mesmer is such a badass skate. I wanna get them next.
I definitely didn't expect this crossover (no pun intended) great to see 2 of my favourite skate channels come together!
I enjoy the sound of your grinds ,smooth,those skates looks clean
Just ordered a pair. always loved the classic thrones, time to test out the modern era of blades!
I bought my current skates from Ivo. I love his shop!
ivo is extremely knowledgeable. its awesome to speak skating with him ❤️
Ivo's the man!!
We had a good time.. wish it rained a bit less these days .. but more will happen
The soul plate doesn’t last long because it’s thin to fit the rubber layer. But I don’t mind because it feels so good landing with the rubber 😊
yes. maybe its slimmer because of that. but the case is really the material used for it not lasting the same as some other brands soul plates..
What do you mean by the case? But the other thing is the rubber means can’t keep grinding like in say them, where I’d just keep grinding into the boot haha
I didn’t quite understand what you two were saying about it being related to it being able to fit on lots of skates
Oh you saying it’s simply the material doesn’t last long?
cool to see you 2 together i`m from netherlands :)
Thanks @FluffyAmyNL! See you soon in Amsterdam then. We have loads of skate groups here that you can join as wel
awesome. see you at WC?
The heel lift in these were too much for me to even skate. It only helped slightly when I used the back strap from a true 2nd skin liner. The ts1 liner has velcro across the back to accept it. That boot/liner has like 0 heel pocket which made it a no go for me. Went with a updated Sway instead and it was so much better imo.
Last I checked the Mesmer shell/ boot sizing has not changed yet the liners in the TS1 and TS2 have been updated to be a more accurate portrayal of what sizing should be/ more true to size. Skate boot UK size and US size rarely align with the actual mm size or actual cm size ( I.E. a skate be listed as a US 8-9 yet have a length of 28.5 cm which would be more consistent with a size US 10-10.5). With the newer Mesmer models If you were to cross reference the MM / IN of the shell with the Liner’s UK/US size ( and mm/in) it will certainly help you determine from a length perspective which size to order.
the shell is the same.. but they did adjutments with the liner.... from the first model...to the second model.. till now..they have always been doing changes on the liner...and. now they also have different size "tags" ...
So I knew I they couldn’t have made new molds to adjust sizing . I was told they made the toe box bigger on the shells . This isn’t true right ?
@@Sac2Bay toe box is “roomier” but more so in a way where for many people the top of the shell no longer is in contact and/or pressing down on the top of your toes / foot.
Oh the grinds are back!
hehe.. they have been back for a bit.. i just have not been uploading as much :)
oh yes, the classic power slide raised heel with anti-Shock pad and the old USD insole that has a shock pad built in 🤣... I understand when they do that on their flat boots but come on now. At the same time it's pretty cool that they do include them because maybe there are people out there that want double shock absorption on a raised heel 🤷 .... by the way, superfeet hockey comfort yellow insoles have a heel cup that provides shock absorption without adding height. I find it perfect for m12s/cults and anything you want shock absorption without changing height.
i don’t dislike the shock absorver but its important that people know the foot will be in a more aggressive forward lean position, which is less stable. 🤷🏻♂️
The TS2 are not available in 42-43 anywhere... I guess having a 275 mondo, downsizing to the 40-41 with an Intuition Liner wouldn't be possible?
The back and fourth camaraderie is a nice change up.
Thanks! It was a fun conversation to have as wel
Thanks.. one of them run out of batteries by the end 🤷🏻♂️gladly we had two 💪🏻
They are so pretty!
Mesmer 🖤
What's your opinion on the new plastic vs the PEBAX?
I think they had some problems with shell deformation warping the soulplate due to pebax, Mushroom guys talked a bit about it... tho so far on my Bolinos I did not notice it yet.
If I had to bet on future products I think Levi's skate is going to be a brownish colored boot and it will be using the new plastic for the shell with a pebax cuff.
Had to do some heavy mods to my mesmer's but so far they are the best skate I've ever tried. - Trimming cuff height, v cutting it and v cutting in beetween upper foot eyelets
i think they are not using it on team skates…. i may be wrong but i think i have heard it on a podcast or read it somewhere.. but i may be wrong.. but at the end of the day… i like them jon bolinos and the other two i had.. my biggest concern was to have them in the right sizing and i now know exactly what that is… the Pebax is not something i felt extremely different but im also the guy who does not feel crazy good bearings like some people do.. 🤷🏻♂️
@@RicardoLino I remember reading on instagram that Billy said the team skates use the regular plastic vs the pro model which is part of the cost difference.
Yes they definitely use different plastic, TS1 and TS2 use " the new plastic" "special flex composite material" similar to OG thrones. Supposedly to get manufacturing cost down on team skates.
Bolino and Dom skates boot and shell are full PEBAX , Researched a bit into PEBAX and it seemed like a really good approach for agg inline, so I was keen on hearing the differences.
But overall glad that the feedback is good. A boot company offering the same boots with different materials is definitely interesting.
@@RicardoLino
The heel shockabsorber is to thick. Its was terrible to skate first. I took it out and put a flat gel-sole under the liner and now I love them. They are great for topsides. To avoid wheelbite when riding flat simply put in 58mm.
another great video
Ivo rules!
Is this Mesmer also suitable for using a big wheel frame? Is it stable without the middle buckle?
how did you guys talk for 45 mins without mentioning the toe box and “front foot” changes? very curious about that change.
Good one. That is the whole idea why this liner works way better ten the old one
we spoke about several sizing things… from the size chart adjustment, to the slim liner… if we didn’t speak about mold changes in the toe are is because none of us believe they happened .. they fhey are now true to size in my opinion.
USD Aeon did it as well. the 8-9 became the 9-10.
not that i am aware.. their sizing its 37-38 / 39-40 / 41-42/ 43-44 ... and they are true to size in my opinion, but the size son the Mesmer now are not like this...they are 40-41 / 42-43 ....
@@RicardoLino I had it off a bit. They switched the 9-10 to a 10-10.5 and the 7-8 to an 8-9. But yeah, this happened before the Aeon Basic and the Aeon XIX.
Not that I know. The aeons have always had the same sizing.
@@Thisissoul They have not, atleast not in the USA. There didn't used to be a 10-10.5. The 9-10 become a 10-10.5. It was originally as follows 7-8, 9-10, 11-12, then it became 7-7.5, 8-9, 10-10.5, 11-12.
Just like the Mesmer, they didn't make a new shell, they just changed the size range recommended for that particular size shell.
I have the 8-9 / 42-43, which soul kits & cuff will fit?
Those wheels are ALL 89.5A if you check it with a meter. Doesnt matter if marked 90 or 95. OakCity has tested them all. Kinda fishy mesmer lol.
Thanks for letitng us know!
@@Thisissoul No problem. I imagine if they were what they were supposed to be the skate would perform slightly better. It's one thing if it was a simple misprint but the Bolino and Ts1s wheels are this way. Don't own the Bruce model but could only assume the same.... Can't understand why they'd do that.
I've found that the boot is quite inflexible (lateral flex) - is that just me? I'm used to skating and Aeon. Maybe they will be become more flexible with use as I've only worn them a handful of times. Anyone else have this experience?
Hey in the intro there was something different said about the skates but it is a 45 minute video. What's so good and different?
that was one of the first things we spoke about… they changed the sizing.. mesmer skates used to be 41-42 (which fitted big) , they adjusted the sizing to calling it 42-43.. may seem a simple thing, but it turned these skates into a true to size skate.
@@RicardoLino Wow thank you for replying! Do you have any recommendations for quadroller grind blocks? The ones from Bont and Chaya are really expensive!
...he's a blader lol not a quad skater. But good luck! @@FenwynFlies
He definitely features quads on his videos sometimes.@@user-wl9oq5jp8h
Just go by cm. Cause everything else is different. USD 7.5 is 255 mm and in razors its 250mm .....
I get you: the problem is some companies are now talking shell sizing and most just liner sizing… but I would say these are NOW true to size
Does it provide more space for the front foot as its advertisement??
I don’t feel that. But I believe what they mean is the liners are slimmer. At least I don’t see mold changes (would not be easy… but maybe I’m wrong… I doubt on this but possible)
@@RicardoLino thanks for your opinion👍
He mentioned a link on his site that shows internal measurements of the skates. I'm not able to find it. Can you share the link?
Were you able to find it?
Just curious which shell size that is Ricardo? Is that the 42-43?
Yes
I am a fan of them both but i feel the awkwardness while they talk to each other but in another way they say good facts and tips
I'm a size 10 US, so a size 42-43 would work ?
Yes. Just like me :)
Cool to see you guys in a video together, did you get out and skate together much?
We did some skating for sure! Non was recorded though
@@Thisissoul that would be a fun group ride, I would have loved to join
We gotta skate all more and film next time:: when it’s not raining as much.. but it was fun
Would have been nice if you guys actually had a skate sesh
The ts1 has the extra lace hole
ah, thanks!
This was so hard to watch, it felt like 2 people that hate each other but had to play nice in front of their boss or something.
I understand the dtiffness maybe if that is what you mean. I did my best not to interupt ricardo so maybe thats what you mean. Definity love that guy. We can talk for days with no problem at all
@@ThisissoulThis😂
wow… really? well.. me and ivo actually like each other.. to the point I invited him to come visit me and my family in Portugal. about our communicating, i was very curious about ivos feedback of the skates… i know he likes to get very deep into skate details and i myself love to talk about these type of stuff.. so i was extremely concentrated, trying to listen to ivo and engage….. i never knew when we could finish or if there was more info to come..heheh. i honestly enjoyed.
I disagree I thought it was really interesting specialy the heal raise/shock absorber/insole information. Also don't forget, both these guys are not speaking their native language.
These are my two favorite skaters. I found them incredibly engaging. Excellent feedback fella’s! Hope to see you together again.
that buckle is absolte trash, the mounting plate is plastic and ive broken 2 pairs and many other people have done the same on mesmers and sways that have the "supreme" buckle.
chemistry between them... none
Ah. We are different in so many things but both really into knowing more and more about each skate functionality…
Żadnych więcej mesmer! Raz się naciąłem i nigdy więcej.
i have seen some people using them for big wheels or wizard skating… for my own taste they are a bit tall but i can see them working for some
pire patin que j'ai eu de ma vie!! finition dégueulasse