Lol. The title shows iphone vs DSLR. You showed how each person took the picture. I'm saying, don't show who did what. Just throw up some pictures and see what people have to say... Happy turkey day. Hope that made sense.
Apple should make a camera with all the iPhone technology but with a big ass sensor and removable lenses and with the capability to post directly to your social media apps. That would be dope
@@maze400 Nah. Once the scenes changed and post processing was involved, it wasn’t even an iPhone image. Though, to be fair, neither was the camera’s. It became a contest of artistic vision.
@@LtDeadeye Right but that's the point. The quality of an iphone's image is so good at this point that with proper lighting people won't notice any difference in quality that would detract from the photo's own intrinsic merits as an image.
@@cheeeeezewizzz I agree. It has gotten to the point, in typical situations, we’re splitting hairs. It’s becoming more a matter of available focal lengths now and I also believe that bokeh is better than fokeh.
@@LtDeadeye yeah but to be the deliv's advocate. The normies can't even tell the difference. In reality camera quality reached the point like 12 years ago where you could shoot anything on digital and get results good enough with basically anything that they are pretty much indistinguishable. Now in the digital boom where almost all images are shared online and print is becoming increasingly rare, (and large prints like posters and billboards are viewed from such distances nobody can tell if you used a point and shoot or a dslr) the value of a dedicated camera is increaingly shrinking. That's why so many people just use their phones now. I mean look at video. We have had 1080p for decades now, 4k became a feasible thing like 5-6 years ago, now cameras are pushing 12k. Despite that the market doesn't even give a shit. There is no mass push for 1080p, cable and satellite tv still only do 720p, only youtube really offers 4k in any meaningful way yet if you pay attention to comments most people still don't even watch in 4k. And since almost all digital content is consumed on phones and all tests have shown that even up to 80+ inches in size the human eye is incapable of distinguishing 1080p and 4k or even 8k televisions at normal viewing distances..........what's the fucking point? The exact same logic applies in photos. Even printed large like 10 feet across, the human eye can't distinguish 5mpx from 50mpx if you are viewing from a distance where you can actually observe the entire photograph. The way photos are normally displayed. And only phones it's even more pointless, especially with internet compression. The fact is that nobody but a photographer, graphic designer, etc viewing full rez files on a high end monitor and making use of zoom tools to examine a picture in depth will EVER notice any of the things we as photographers keep buying new gear for. At most they tend to notice that a photo looks sharper than another when it comes to image quality. That's it. Sadly....everything we chase as photographers is actually completely meaningless to our end viewers because with their viewing habits and methods they will never be able to see the difference.
The title is definitely confusing. Nobody can really compare those shots, because of the different places, one is a Portrait, one overall Body, one has bright sky from behind, the other did not, etc. and after THAT you also shoot the picture through software and make it even harder or better less comparable. You also could say "old DSLR from the early 2000th beats latest Mirrorless Flagship" or "Fuji beats Nikon" or whatever ... nobody could tell anything about those photos other that they are overall Ok shots and are good. Thats it.
But that's the point.....not that one image or another was necessarily better, but that the images you can get out of an iphone as a tool with proper lighting are so good that nobody will even notice they were taken with a phone and that they can be placed side by side with a dslr image. It's really a statement that quality is no longer a matter of importance in photography but rather what images you are capable of creating artistically. Because as long as you have lit things well, or have good natural light to begin with, the quality coming out of phones is now so good that nobody will complain (lets go ahead and say that's with the caveat that they will be shared online like 99.9% of all images and not printed to large size).
Next handicap should be: 1- take the same photo. Same pose, lighting, and subject framing. We want to compare cameras. Not photographers 2- You only get to spend a limited time (5 minutes?) editing. IMO the change that won it for the iphone photo was manually cutting the model and bluring the background. Personally, that is the thing I most hate doing in photoshop. 3 - Natural lighting
What I love about this type of videos is that the photographer actually does his best to utilize the camera and get the best photo, instead of just pointing and shooting of camera comparisons.
Image impact will always top quality, a good image depends on the vision and creativity of the photographer not the camera but there are people who believe otherwise.
Okay I know I'm spamming the comment section here but I've got a good idea for the next challenge seeing as Mike is there. You need to make 5 or so real estate/architecture images, 3 internals, 2 externals or whatever you decide. You've got as much time as you need. However, Lee and his assistant of choice can use any form of lighting they choose, i.e elaborate lighting set ups and so on. No rules. Mike has to use only natural light, yet he can decide the time of day and use modifiers like skrims/reflectors etc, just no artificial light. No rules with editing, i.e compositing is okay.
Doesn’t say too much for me. Phone and DSlr or Mslr should shoot the same scenery or subject. We will see. And do it with and without flash. Just natural light. Bright light and orange and blue hour.
just based on in-camera, the dslr would take the prize. however, composition and development of the image easily out classes the camera, so i see how the iphone could defeat a dslr. great video, and i love your location. how is it out there during pandemic? and what is mike doing out there with you all?
Loving the iphone challenges. How about architectural challenge with Lee and mike. Mike gets 5 mins and no lights and Lee gets unlimited time and lighting and editing as needed.
It’s crazy what you guys got out of the iPhone. I do would like to see what it looks like with something more cheap since ProFoto is a bit out of budget for the typical iPhone photographer. I recorded a vlog with just my iPhone 12 pro which i’m going to put on my channel, i’m really happy with the quality.
@@Rassputin Sure, I agree with that statement. A phone doesn't have the controls, the ultimate image quality, the ability to fix mistakes or bad shots, etc that a real camera has. But the fact remains, a phone is good enough to produce professional, sellable results that can make you money. A lot of money. There are some instagram phone photographers that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year taking shots on their iphones. I've got a nice mirrorless setup, but let me tell you, I'm nowhere near making that kind of cash.
Just wait until Apple ProRAW is released in a few weeks. Unfortunately, you dont get any of Apple's computational photography like Deep Fusion and Smart HDR while using a 3rd party app like Profoto, hence the noise.
People with iphones are rarely dragging a strobe with them. But the Pro is good, of course, for a cell phone. I haven't seen a pro photographer doing sports, wildlife or similar type of photography with a phone.
most people starting out are really limited in lighting gear etc. Handicap could be in the gear available, maybe same camera both times but one photographer gets access to any lighting, tripods etc gear they want, the other can just use the camera.
I'd say more of composition and editing (and lighting). He did say he cut out the woman to get the fake depth of field which the camera would've done that naturally.
Im shooting with a phone + 2x godox ad200 + godox a1 (while it is a cell phone flash, it can be used to radio control godox ad series) for a couple of years. It is cheaper. The only problem is that godox app uses a1 to measure light instead of the phone. That means holding a1 awkwardly with the phone in line of sight of the model. This (not measuring light from phone) is a software problem instead of a hardware one. Same depth of field limitations exists, cause godox software is not integrated to phone's own camera and does not have its own portrait/blur feature.
I dont think you should have photo shooped the blurry background. And I think you both should have shot the same location , model in the same pose and then make the comparison. Great video guys.
Was this using Apple ProRaw? If not you should get the beta and do this again shooting in raw it wont have so much grain. And better flexibility when pushing edits.
I moved from an iPhone 4s to a SE2 this year and have been BLOWN away by his good the cameras have gotten. I’ve been using it as a good stills camera over my Nikon D800 just out of convenience and also what you can do on the phone is pretty decent editing wise too. Quality isn’t as high and if you can get a good photo with a DSLR or other camera do so, but you aren’t doing it incorrectly anymore if you have the skill to take good photographs with a smartphone.
You gotta count the editing and lighting too here, not just the camera or phone. I didn't like the composition too much for the second photo but I did like the first one. So if the camera was actually shooting the first composition, I would still have chosen it.
I cannot say that I am completely surprised. With good light conditions and a good photographer, sensor size becomes less relevant. This obviously has many asterisks in its full meaning, but it still applies in many respects
@@ralballer This might surprise you both, but most people don't zoom in on photos when they look at them. They glance at it, tap like if they like it, then swipe to the next photograph on their timeline. All within about 1 second. Maybe 2 seconds for a great photo. 3-4 seconds if they share it to their own timeline so their friends can look. Zooming in to examine images is something that is practically exclusive to photographers.
I don't know where you found her, but that model is stunning. As for the photos, both are impressive but the test is kind of spoiled by the post processing. It's hard to know how good they are without seeing them before processing.
With the HUGE amount of post processing in each image, how can we compare iPhone to DSLR? This is a processing skill comparison. The NEXT contest, assuming gear related, should specify Straight-out-of-camera images with only cropping allowed.
wait, is that profoto camera app or something else? Does anyone know how much actually which phone Im using matter when using profoto app? Does any of manufacturer IA applies?
How about an iPhone photo lit only with the flashlight of another iPhone/pocket sized led panel vs DSLR/mirrorless with a proper flash? Seeing as most iPhone photographers don't carry flashes and light modifiers around whereas when lugging a bigger camera, adding a speedlite or equivalent to the kit is common practice, this might be a more "true to life" comparisson of two different types of photographers.
IPhone users: Finally there is a phone that can shoot where exposure can be adjusted and you can shoot in RAW. Android users: We've had that since 2013
A DSLR you're able to change to any Pro lens. Not like you can really test a DSLR with the same lens iPhone uses. lol. What Apple did is amazing but if someone was to take the iPhone solely for photography I would then use Beastgrip's DOF MK2 adapter and adding the same lens to it, be great to compare. Of course with an adapter you will lose some light. I tested it with the Firstlight app (same people that did Filmic) which has support for the adapter. I've used the adapter with with iPhone XS Max and pro lenses and photos come out really nice, you can't even tell the photo came from an iPhone at all, no need to fake depth of field and all... so I can imagine how it would look with the 12 Pro.
Please please take the same shot with both and then make a 12x18. Now THAT would be a comparison. I suspect the differences aren't astronomical. Proving once again that light is everything.
If I had of seen this sooner I would have definitely chosen Patrick's image, mind you Lee's image was nice as well. Hahaha I still can't believe Lee won either hahaha. Image straight out of camera no post processing, only one strobe and one reflector and a max of two assistants, same model same location
Does it make sense to fake shallow depth of field in post, in a competition between phone vs full-frame camera? Same for the light box and broad day light, helping out the cell phone cameras lack of light gathering capability... - Next time make a competition in less than optimal light and no faking the depth of field in post.
I fully admit that this is crazy good with the phone and the app and whatnot......but at the end of the day, adjusting exposure with a slim phone would feel so awkward to me and I would much camera the feel of my camera.
A phone can take photos like those? Yes when you know how to cut out the subject, blur the background and add advanced color grading and editing in photoshop. The light and cell phone may deliver results like that if you are extremely skilled in post editing.
the next shot contest, i would want FS to both choose anyone from the street and convince them to do a photoshoot. So far we only see models. Having a "man/woman on the street" choice will also test the photographer skill in getting the talent who have no posing experience to be more "image appealing". It also showcase the guys skills in bringing out the character of the talents as well as they conveying instruction to get the best images and expression possible.
Biggest photography tutorial sale of the year is going on right now at www.fstoppers.com/store
Lol. The title shows iphone vs DSLR. You showed how each person took the picture. I'm saying, don't show who did what. Just throw up some pictures and see what people have to say... Happy turkey day. Hope that made sense.
Scott Moore we did that. fstoppers.com/fashion/which-these-images-best-vote-now-532882#comment-thread -P
Apple should make a camera with all the iPhone technology but with a big ass sensor and removable lenses and with the capability to post directly to your social media apps. That would be dope
Now we just need godox to do the same.
@@net200777 You already can with a Godox A1
This was more an image vs image contest than a camera vs iPhone contest.
Probably the biggest compliment you could give the iPhone.
@@maze400 Nah. Once the scenes changed and post processing was involved, it wasn’t even an iPhone image. Though, to be fair, neither was the camera’s. It became a contest of artistic vision.
@@LtDeadeye Right but that's the point. The quality of an iphone's image is so good at this point that with proper lighting people won't notice any difference in quality that would detract from the photo's own intrinsic merits as an image.
@@cheeeeezewizzz I agree. It has gotten to the point, in typical situations, we’re splitting hairs. It’s becoming more a matter of available focal lengths now and I also believe that bokeh is better than fokeh.
@@LtDeadeye yeah but to be the deliv's advocate. The normies can't even tell the difference. In reality camera quality reached the point like 12 years ago where you could shoot anything on digital and get results good enough with basically anything that they are pretty much indistinguishable. Now in the digital boom where almost all images are shared online and print is becoming increasingly rare, (and large prints like posters and billboards are viewed from such distances nobody can tell if you used a point and shoot or a dslr) the value of a dedicated camera is increaingly shrinking. That's why so many people just use their phones now. I mean look at video. We have had 1080p for decades now, 4k became a feasible thing like 5-6 years ago, now cameras are pushing 12k. Despite that the market doesn't even give a shit. There is no mass push for 1080p, cable and satellite tv still only do 720p, only youtube really offers 4k in any meaningful way yet if you pay attention to comments most people still don't even watch in 4k. And since almost all digital content is consumed on phones and all tests have shown that even up to 80+ inches in size the human eye is incapable of distinguishing 1080p and 4k or even 8k televisions at normal viewing distances..........what's the fucking point? The exact same logic applies in photos. Even printed large like 10 feet across, the human eye can't distinguish 5mpx from 50mpx if you are viewing from a distance where you can actually observe the entire photograph. The way photos are normally displayed. And only phones it's even more pointless, especially with internet compression.
The fact is that nobody but a photographer, graphic designer, etc viewing full rez files on a high end monitor and making use of zoom tools to examine a picture in depth will EVER notice any of the things we as photographers keep buying new gear for. At most they tend to notice that a photo looks sharper than another when it comes to image quality. That's it.
Sadly....everything we chase as photographers is actually completely meaningless to our end viewers because with their viewing habits and methods they will never be able to see the difference.
Maybe it's not the gear, maybe it's the photographer Patrick lol 😆 😜
The modele
The assistant
Shhh
Exactly
How can you compare 2 very different photos to determine camera quality? The thing being compared was composition and editing imo
The title is definitely confusing. Nobody can really compare those shots, because of the different places, one is a Portrait, one overall Body, one has bright sky from behind, the other did not, etc. and after THAT you also shoot the picture through software and make it even harder or better less comparable. You also could say "old DSLR from the early 2000th beats latest Mirrorless Flagship" or "Fuji beats Nikon" or whatever ... nobody could tell anything about those photos other that they are overall Ok shots and are good. Thats it.
And they were both shot with a huge flash on a 12 foot pole - super convenient for travel right
Oh and it wasn't exactly a representative sample that they asked
I think same..
But that's the point.....not that one image or another was necessarily better, but that the images you can get out of an iphone as a tool with proper lighting are so good that nobody will even notice they were taken with a phone and that they can be placed side by side with a dslr image. It's really a statement that quality is no longer a matter of importance in photography but rather what images you are capable of creating artistically. Because as long as you have lit things well, or have good natural light to begin with, the quality coming out of phones is now so good that nobody will complain (lets go ahead and say that's with the caveat that they will be shared online like 99.9% of all images and not printed to large size).
Alternative title: "Expensive pro lighting makes camera way less important"
Or maybe Lee is just a genius photographer :-)
Next handicap should be:
1- take the same photo. Same pose, lighting, and subject framing. We want to compare cameras. Not photographers
2- You only get to spend a limited time (5 minutes?) editing. IMO the change that won it for the iphone photo was manually cutting the model and bluring the background. Personally, that is the thing I most hate doing in photoshop.
3 - Natural lighting
This was basically who chose the better location and which was edited better. Nothing to do with comparing two cameras with one another.
This tells me light, composition, subject, story, color, and editing skills matter than the camera! Of course that logic is a no brainer!
Every camera reviewer on RUclips: "Two card slots is essential!" ... proceeds to shoot weddings with an iPhone.
"So I used a different foot" 😂
What I love about this type of videos is that the photographer actually does his best to utilize the camera and get the best photo, instead of just pointing and shooting of camera comparisons.
Next handicap should be to shoot something that isn't a static image, something above 6400 iso, or something that isn't 5ft from you.
Image impact will always top quality, a good image depends on the vision and creativity of the photographer not the camera but there are people who believe otherwise.
Next time have lee edit patrick's photo and vice versa to see who is the better editor
Next contest should be DIY low budget lights vs pro lights.
Okay I know I'm spamming the comment section here but I've got a good idea for the next challenge seeing as Mike is there. You need to make 5 or so real estate/architecture images, 3 internals, 2 externals or whatever you decide. You've got as much time as you need. However, Lee and his assistant of choice can use any form of lighting they choose, i.e elaborate lighting set ups and so on. No rules. Mike has to use only natural light, yet he can decide the time of day and use modifiers like skrims/reflectors etc, just no artificial light. No rules with editing, i.e compositing is okay.
Doesn’t say too much for me. Phone and DSlr or Mslr should shoot the same scenery or subject. We will see. And do it with and without flash. Just natural light. Bright light and orange and blue hour.
Lighting is everything. I'm all bought into Godox at this point but Profoto is really modernizing lately. This is really a fantastic new capability.
just based on in-camera, the dslr would take the prize. however, composition and development of the image easily out classes the camera, so i see how the iphone could defeat a dslr. great video, and i love your location. how is it out there during pandemic? and what is mike doing out there with you all?
You should have asked "which photo has the best image quality?".
Loving the iphone challenges. How about architectural challenge with Lee and mike. Mike gets 5 mins and no lights and Lee gets unlimited time and lighting and editing as needed.
It’s crazy what you guys got out of the iPhone. I do would like to see what it looks like with something more cheap since ProFoto is a bit out of budget for the typical iPhone photographer. I recorded a vlog with just my iPhone 12 pro which i’m going to put on my channel, i’m really happy with the quality.
Light is light, no matter what brand. Sure light temperature can vary, but cheap lights can produce natural temperatures as well
a better fun challenge : DSLR try to mimic phone camera's image and poll that
Phones will never replace cameras!!
The compact camera market feels bad that you are ignoring its plight.
@@cheeeeezewizzz not really, i do appreciate a good phone but when it comes to professional photo/video work, camera beats the phone in every way
@@Rassputin Sure, I agree with that statement. A phone doesn't have the controls, the ultimate image quality, the ability to fix mistakes or bad shots, etc that a real camera has. But the fact remains, a phone is good enough to produce professional, sellable results that can make you money. A lot of money. There are some instagram phone photographers that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year taking shots on their iphones. I've got a nice mirrorless setup, but let me tell you, I'm nowhere near making that kind of cash.
Guys! thanks for the video! May I ask an advice? Is A2 flashlight enough for shootings pictures in similar conditions like you had in this video?
you could see alot of grain on the i phone ..easy to pick them apart !!!!!
Patrick, You should demand a recount and put your legal team on this. Rigged !!!!! Hold the next photo shoot at a landscaping company.
Handy cap propositions: Lee's eyes are covered and Patrick's not allowed to touch the camera.
Am i the only one who sees the noise on the iPhone???
No. But at most 5% of non-photographers would notice and less care.
Just wait until Apple ProRAW is released in a few weeks. Unfortunately, you dont get any of Apple's computational photography like Deep Fusion and Smart HDR while using a 3rd party app like Profoto, hence the noise.
It’s noise because it’s RAW.
I think Lee added grain in post.
It was so obvious.
Your Competion videos are the best no matter what!
People with iphones are rarely dragging a strobe with them. But the Pro is good, of course, for a cell phone. I haven't seen a pro photographer doing sports, wildlife or similar type of photography with a phone.
most people starting out are really limited in lighting gear etc. Handicap could be in the gear available, maybe same camera both times but one photographer gets access to any lighting, tripods etc gear they want, the other can just use the camera.
This shows the importance of lighting and the advancement of phones.
I'd say more of composition and editing (and lighting). He did say he cut out the woman to get the fake depth of field which the camera would've done that naturally.
Im shooting with a phone + 2x godox ad200 + godox a1 (while it is a cell phone flash, it can be used to radio control godox ad series) for a couple of years. It is cheaper. The only problem is that godox app uses a1 to measure light instead of the phone. That means holding a1 awkwardly with the phone in line of sight of the model. This (not measuring light from phone) is a software problem instead of a hardware one. Same depth of field limitations exists, cause godox software is not integrated to phone's own camera and does not have its own portrait/blur feature.
Ill believe it if Fstoppers scrap their DSLR's and use iPhone
I dont think you should have photo shooped the blurry background. And I think you both should have shot the same location , model in the same pose and then make the comparison. Great video guys.
the contest was about the pictures or gear?....
Was this using Apple ProRaw? If not you should get the beta and do this again shooting in raw it wont have so much grain. And better flexibility when pushing edits.
Being able to sync your phone to flash is sick! I'd love to try a shoot like that
Maybe Lee said "stop the counting".
hahahahhahahahahahaha there is no ways people voted for that photo with so much grain!
Lol!!!!
He demanded a recount!
I moved from an iPhone 4s to a SE2 this year and have been BLOWN away by his good the cameras have gotten. I’ve been using it as a good stills camera over my Nikon D800 just out of convenience and also what you can do on the phone is pretty decent editing wise too. Quality isn’t as high and if you can get a good photo with a DSLR or other camera do so, but you aren’t doing it incorrectly anymore if you have the skill to take good photographs with a smartphone.
You guys are fun! Keep up the great work!
What transition pack do you use? Like at 4:15 that was beautiful! Great video as well!
You gotta count the editing and lighting too here, not just the camera or phone. I didn't like the composition too much for the second photo but I did like the first one. So if the camera was actually shooting the first composition, I would still have chosen it.
I think Patrick needs to demand a recount.
Fstoppers polls were created by the president of Venezuela
@@FStoppers I hear their electronic voting machines are popular right now.
I am seriously thinking of getting the iPhone 12 Max. Just wondering how big of photo you can print of the phone
Maybe take inspiration from "pro photographer cheap camera" the original series from digitalrev (with Kai, Lok and Alamby) for the next competition!
Yes!!!
Damn what is with these comments💀💀 they hate the fact the iPhone looks good
nah chill its not we don hate the iphone...its not rocket science that the d850 takes better pictures than iphone
I cannot say that I am completely surprised. With good light conditions and a good photographer, sensor size becomes less relevant. This obviously has many asterisks in its full meaning, but it still applies in many respects
Funny thing, that “old Dslr from Nikon” still beats a crap from R5, a7r3 and 4 when compared by DR and noise levels. Can’t go wrong with ISO64!
That iPhone picture was too grainy when zoomed in. Sadly there is no phone out there yet which can beat even a cheap DSLR like my canon SL2
Right? Why isn't that an obvious disqualifier of the phone pic? It wasn't even that much of a zoom in either.
@@ralballer This might surprise you both, but most people don't zoom in on photos when they look at them. They glance at it, tap like if they like it, then swipe to the next photograph on their timeline. All within about 1 second. Maybe 2 seconds for a great photo. 3-4 seconds if they share it to their own timeline so their friends can look. Zooming in to examine images is something that is practically exclusive to photographers.
Unfortunately the comparison is off. Different spot and different photographer. :(
Mike Keeley as lighting assistant 😂😂😂 slightly worrying that a phone can be so good as 1,000’s of
£ ‘s worth of photography gear 😱...
What app where you using in the iPhone? Was that the native iPhone camera app?
The Profoto app. You can use it even without owning a light. -P
DId you use Dominion software?
Iphone shots were definitely more noisy.
Most definitely
And at most 5% of non-photographers would notice and less would care
Pair your d850 with a nice 105 1.4 ed...no iphone can ever reach that quality
Which the Godox A1 does since 2years...
Wow both shots are great! Can you shoot in raw in the profoto app? How do you reduce grain?
next time eat a ghost pepper right before having to shoot
Much love from Uganda : I really learn a lot from you : it 2AM and here I am
Wait, no poll on which was taken with a iPhone?
iPhone looked quite grainy ?
I don't know where you found her, but that model is stunning. As for the photos, both are impressive but the test is kind of spoiled by the post processing. It's hard to know how good they are without seeing them before processing.
We showed them before processing
My mistake
With the HUGE amount of post processing in each image, how can we compare iPhone to DSLR? This is a processing skill comparison. The NEXT contest, assuming gear related, should specify Straight-out-of-camera images with only cropping allowed.
a children's camera vs entry level DSLR
Always love these vs. vids.
wait, is that profoto camera app or something else? Does anyone know how much actually which phone Im using matter when using profoto app? Does any of manufacturer IA applies?
Click bait title... Dslr is clearly better and on top of that background had to be blurred.
How about printing it? One censor is much bigger then the other.
iPhone 12 pro cost more than my photo camera and lens.
How about an iPhone photo lit only with the flashlight of another iPhone/pocket sized led panel vs DSLR/mirrorless with a proper flash?
Seeing as most iPhone photographers don't carry flashes and light modifiers around whereas when lugging a bigger camera, adding a speedlite or equivalent to the kit is common practice, this might be a more "true to life" comparisson of two different types of photographers.
IPhone users: Finally there is a phone that can shoot where exposure can be adjusted and you can shoot in RAW.
Android users: We've had that since 2013
great assistant Mr Mike Kelly :)
What app did you use for the photos on the iphone 12?🤔
It's probably the Profoto Camera App
I like the DSLR better. Next time do like Beat Bobby Flay show. Don't tell the difference before. Just show the results. 🥃🥃
That’s what we did this time. We never said one was an iPhone
A DSLR you're able to change to any Pro lens. Not like you can really test a DSLR with the same lens iPhone uses. lol. What Apple did is amazing but if someone was to take the iPhone solely for photography I would then use Beastgrip's DOF MK2 adapter and adding the same lens to it, be great to compare. Of course with an adapter you will lose some light. I tested it with the Firstlight app (same people that did Filmic) which has support for the adapter. I've used the adapter with with iPhone XS Max and pro lenses and photos come out really nice, you can't even tell the photo came from an iPhone at all, no need to fake depth of field and all... so I can imagine how it would look with the 12 Pro.
Just need good lights and awesome post
Please please take the same shot with both and then make a 12x18. Now THAT would be a comparison. I suspect the differences aren't astronomical. Proving once again that light is everything.
It's not about the gear. It's always about the model.
Yes that's insane guys. you both have done an excellent job here. This whole mobile thing will lead us to another discussion right?
Challenge: One guy can't use editing tools AND the other one has to let LEE do the retouching!
"upgrading flash firmware " the moment you start the shooting said it all.
World famous assistant Mike kelly
Why did the iPhone shot turn out so noisy?
Because it's a phone
@@FStoppers hahahah okay, so not that profesional looking...
The handicap should be.... One person gets Pye whilst the other uses Mike.
If I had of seen this sooner I would have definitely chosen Patrick's image, mind you Lee's image was nice as well. Hahaha I still can't believe Lee won either hahaha. Image straight out of camera no post processing, only one strobe and one reflector and a max of two assistants, same model same location
Does it make sense to fake shallow depth of field in post, in a competition between phone vs full-frame camera?
Same for the light box and broad day light, helping out the cell phone cameras lack of light gathering capability... -
Next time make a competition in less than optimal light and no faking the depth of field in post.
To be fair, it's probably a matter of time before Profoto get the "portrait mode" fake depth of field in their app too
I fully admit that this is crazy good with the phone and the app and whatnot......but at the end of the day, adjusting exposure with a slim phone would feel so awkward to me and I would much camera the feel of my camera.
Should take same pictures with both camera and phone with same lighting and then compare.
They couldn't show same shots as it would be devastating
A phone can take photos like those? Yes when you know how to cut out the subject, blur the background and add advanced color grading and editing in photoshop. The light and cell phone may deliver results like that if you are extremely skilled in post editing.
Maybe Patrick won the electoral college votes.
interesting thing is who to use an iPhone to trigger the off camera flash! Somebody can help me!?
You should do this but for video! Someone uses an iPhone 12 vs some high end mirrorless camera!
You should add links to edited and original files in full resolution.
That would come in handy.
So how about a pro camera w/ a kit lens, and an entry level camera with a pro lens???
the next shot contest, i would want FS to both choose anyone from the street and convince them to do a photoshoot. So far we only see models. Having a "man/woman on the street" choice will also test the photographer skill in getting the talent who have no posing experience to be more "image appealing". It also showcase the guys skills in bringing out the character of the talents as well as they conveying instruction to get the best images and expression possible.
Next : Canon 4000d with any lens vs sony a7 iii with a kit lens 😀 with a male model
iPhone vs iPhone but the second person gets to use a strobe