iPhone 16 vs $5,000 Camera for Milky Way Photography
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- I used the iPhone 16 Pro for astrophotography, and compared the results to two professional level cameras.
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Nice comparison video, it's pretty impressive how far cell phone cameras have come.
The sensor dimension calculation is not quite right though a typical 1" sensor is *not* a 1" diagonal (Marques Brownlee did a video on this a couple years ago) the dimensions for a 1" sensor are 13.2mm X 8.8mm (for a 3:2 aspect sensor) The sensor dimensions for the 1/1.12" sensor are 11.4mm X 8.6mm and that's slightly larger than the iPhone 16 1/1.14" sensor. It's quite a bit smaller than your calculations (16mm X 12mm) but still has increased in size considerably over the years.
Marques video:
ruclips.net/video/mNqwY_1Xcy4/видео.html&ab_channel=MKBHDShorts
Watching that video even Marques makes a mistake, says 13.8mm X 8.8mm rather than 13.2 X 8.8mm.
Ooooh that’s interesting! It was hard to find any info on the sensor (I couldn’t even find it on the Sony semiconductor website) so all I could do is guess.
The 3:4 ratio came from looking at the image size dimensions in pixels
Plus when I put my crude cutout up to my phone lens it was small enough to fit so I figured it was close enough 😂
I’ll check out Marques’ video, thanks for sharing it!
Yep. 1 inch "type" sensor is what sony calls it. In RX100 1" type sensor is 13.2 by 8.8 mm.
Glad you noticed the iphone is stacking the pictures. My friend got a iphone 16 pro and when we took 30s pictures, when you look at image info it tells you 10s. Would be cool to move the actual cameras down to 10s and compare then. Edit: Also stack the real cameras 3x for true comparison.
That's good to know - I got the phone 1 day before taking these images so I'm still learning the ins and outs of it
@@ianlauerastro It will stack them in both HEIF and ProRAW. The metadata will show 30s on the HEIF, but you will see it as 10s on ProRAW. The stacking got much better at the point of iPhone15.
Best phone for astrophotography is the google pixel phones. My pixel 8 pro takes a 4min photo but actually it's taking 16 images of 16 secs each and stacking them up. The result is incredible, very little noise, and no artifacts as the iphone or samsung with their night modes. It gives you a timelapse as well with each astrophoto.
I live in Switzerland near Lake Constance, not too bad for light pollution, but not perfect. And when I tried stacking 10 of these „30 second“ Milky Way shots it turned out awful 😩🫣! BUT a few nights ago I did something different: I simply put on the 10-second-timer and put it flat on the floor. 10 seconds is obviously enough to make change to the 30 seconds mode. And boy was I impressed!! Cygnus beautifully above me, the different Milky Way areas well distinguishable. And when I stacked 10 of THESE pictures it got even better 🤩! Thx for the video 👍
Fantastic! Love to hear it!
Loved the last 2 seconds where the sky is still but the earth is moving
Glad you noticed! It's such a cool way to get perspective on the sky's rotation.
Why is no body talking about the blue patches in the low light photos? Apparently there’s a manufacturer problem. If you get a 30 sec picture of your phone just sitting in a table you will see the blue patches in the dark background. It’s happening on the IPhone 16 pro models. Awesome tutorial really informative.
Yea, it also is on some 15 and even some 14 models and some have red instead of blue, some have more some less, i can only see the blue beams a little in his photo if you start in the bottom right corner and look it’s there in blue , when taking an actual night mode photo of the sky it’s not as noticeable though, and most people won’t even notice it because most people aren’t taking photos on nearly pitch black environments so they will never be effected by it anyway. I seen a guy comment said he’s had his iPhone 15 for a year and did the test and seen the blue but never even realized it on his own until he was shown and did the test. So for many they will never even know cause they don’t use it like that.
I was hoping he would mention it as well but nope lol and I could see it in his photo a little he had to notice it idk lol
What do you mean? I mention it. Im hoping a replacement will be here shortly for mine. A heap of my audience have returned phones for it already. I cant believe nobody tested this before launch. Its really sad that such an issue exists these days.
@@ShayneMostyn not you Shayne lol, your the reason I’m driving an hour and a half away to exchange my iPhone 16 pro and hoping to get a good exchange without the blues like some of your other Facebook and RUclips folk have, I spoke to 2 I think that had good results on exchange . But yea sorry I was talking about the guy In This video, can see some of the blue beams in his photo and it seems like he would have seen it too as it is noticeable but he doesn’t say anything about it, was hoping maybe he did and maybe had a solution outside of exchange or return. Sorry for the misunderstandings, thanks for getting the facts out so we can get a fix I appreciate you! Called apple and that’s my only solution, or just deal with it. I honestly, like many others untill now, don’t know if this has been on any other phone as I’ve never with a previous one tried to check and only took casual night photos rare sky photos and those people that use the camera that way will never even know the issue exists. The main camera for me still works great w no issues and video is good as well. But once ya know it’s there ya can’t unsee it, and even if I rarely use it I want it to work well when I do lol, since I spent so much on it i want to at least know it works properly across the board, right on!
Well spotted!
I tried this with my 15 pro a while back and I couldn't believe my eyes. Iphones are absolutely insane with night photography
Hello, the iPhone takes several photos and then stacks them. This was demonstrated when using it in Lightpainting. You can see that it cuts the light in several exposures to then put them together and reduce noise and improve the image. The Samsung acts like a normal camera when you take long exposures and the more you expose, the more light enters the sensor and you must adjust the time so as not to burn or underexpose the photo. For this reason, the iPhone does this. It can be an advantage or a disadvantage since if you take light trails they come out cut off.
Greetings from Spain, tested with the Samsung S24 Ultra and the iPhone 16 Pro Max.
there's another RUclipsr from Australia @ShayneMostyn he had same blue streaks lines when performed astrophotography and 30 sec night mode photography , the phone was 14 days and 2 hours old so they charged him for the exchange , do it before 14 days
Have the same issue and have been going back and forth about it with Apple. Also wonder why there aren’t more videos on it.
The iPhone 16 Pro still features the Sony IMX803 sensor with a 1.3-inch size, rather than the newer Sony IMX903, which has a 1.14-inch sensor.
Wonderful video Ian! I'm a few versions back with the iPhone (13 pro), but also found the 30s trick by chance and was amazed at what it could do from a dark sky.
I'm assuming you have a main sensor manufacture defect. Blue dots, lines or streaks aren't suppose to be there upon a 30sec exposure being done. You can confirm this by doing a 30 sec exposure on a table making sure no light enters the lens. If its pitch black congratulations your sensor is fine, but if theres blue lines, streaks, or blue pixels everywhere go get it replaced ASAP. It's starting to become a real problem that I gotta unfortunately get a replacement for my 16 pro max.
I had no idea! I just did the 30 sec test and yep, I see a strong blue color. I'll have to see what others are doing about it, and get in touch with Apple.
@@ianlauerastro get a replacement by them before the 14 day warranty runs out, because if you don’t they’ll charge you extra for that, just gotta pray that the next replacement doesn’t do the same.
@@ianlauerastro please tell us did they replace your phone
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@@Docsthetics they should, everyone that has this problem has successfully gotten another replacement as its starting to become a wider problem I can update you to see what they will do with mine's this saturday.
I personality have S24 Ultra and the first time i tried astrophotography with it i didn't expect much but the result after the first picture was more than mouth opening. The phone was taking pictures like a dslr which was completely unexpected. The phone also stacks the photos for you and gives you raw stacked image which is really impressive. It also stacks the photos in a way thay makes the stars dots instead of lines for longer exposures. The thing that completely blew my mind off was that the phone was able to capture the northern lights when i couldn't even see them with my own eyes. I though this was disturbance, noise or just light that was picked up but then i read that there was actually a very strong solar storm and the lights were reaching my country so then i made the connection. The fact that the S24 Ultra can make those kind of things just destroys Apple completely in my opinion. There are also a couple of videos in RUclips where people try astrophotography with the S24 Ultra and one of those people managed to capture the Andromeda galaxy and the Pleiades with only a tripod and the phone and the pictures were really impressive for a phone. I also managed to capture the andromeda galaxy without zooming at it as i was jist trying to take a picture of the milky way with 8 min exposure and the milky way can be seen very well as well as the Andromeda galaxy.
Google Pixel does this already for 4 minutes. you can also choose between star trail or fixed stars
I would love to try one out in a dark skies!
The lines pointing to which camera is which is wrong, if you hold the phone in portrait the bottom camera is the 1x, top is 0.5, and the left one is the 5x
Problem with the 5x is it will default to the main camera in low light and do a digital zoom. Good work though 🫡
Did not know that! I would love to know why they would do that.
@@ianlauerastro some 3rd party apps will let you manually select. Also if you use portrait mode on the native app it will actually use the lens you selected..
@@deavo74 I've looked at some of the 3rd party apps in the app store for astro, which are quite amazing. For this video I wanted to see what the results would look like if I just used what was readily available, knowing a majority of folks might not want to fuss with additional apps and such. I would highly recommend one of these apps to anyone wanting to dive deeper into mobile phone astrophotography - the results I've seen from other folks are awesome.
@@ianlauerastroplease share the list of apps
Basically all phones that have an astro mode do internal stacking. The Pixel series for example, does a 4 minute exposure in which I believe is a stack of 16 shots.
That's so awesome, I didn't know that! I knew some phones had an astro mode, but never looked into how they worked. I've not kept up with the latest phone tech so it's great to hear they're adding astrophotography modes.
Indeed. My samsung does 10 minute "exposures" but I'm not sure how it would compare to the Apple since I got pretty good results from a Bortle 4.. but the Apple could still look just as nice without that protected dark site available.
Awesome video, Ian! Thanks for posting, I learned a lot. Clear skies!
So glad to hear it - cheers!
I do hope that in the future apple will introduce actual astro mode that is fully tuned for it.
7:50
Wrong lenses were labeled here! Caption saying 1x is pointing at 5x, caption 5x at 1x, but the ultrawide caption is correct.
Fantastic video! Loved it.
Whoops! Thanks for the correction :)
@@ianlauerastro thanks for making the video :D
Buddy that iphone 16 is doing good but a Vivo x 100 pro or Xiaomi's flagship series phone with a 1 inch type sensor and Vivo also allows you to capture astro mode which opens the shutter for arround 2.5 min and also it stacks them together too I've used a half inch sensor with that perticular mode and it is impressive (I was shooting in a city lights) can say a brottle class 7 or 6 try to make a video on that 👍🏻👍🏻
I captured the Andromeda using the 10X Telephoto lens on my s23 ultra last year. It came out amazing for a phone camera. It's a shame samsung discontinued the 10x camera and replaced it with a 5x in the 24 ultra.
The camera is really good, but my 16 pro max got those very big newton rings when shooting northern lights 😔
I would like to see a comparison with a Samsung as well since they can take up to 12 minutes exposure as far as I tested
7:36 bro what? The iPhone 11 vs 16 sensor size is THAT huge of a difference? time to upgrade my 11pro! 😅
hi sir would you have any advice for a telephoto lense i can get for under $35 for moon pictures?
4:46 Can you please share name of the program you are using to stack the photos ?
BTW now I’m confused whether to get 16 pro or 15 pro ( considering 16 Pro blue issue )
I was using Pixinsight, though you can use free programs like Sequator to stack Milky Way shots. I would say iPhone 15 pro will do just as good of a job based on what I've seen others do.
@@ianlauerastro thanks, yes 15 Pro is good and it will be cheaper than 16 😉
Great Video! Please reply with the stacking s/w you featured. My 1st out of box with iPhone 16 Pro Max showed NO Blue streaks. However, did experience a number of totally blank exposures. Users Note: Even on tripod, highly recommend using timer feature of iPhone as the mere touching of the camera will instantly shift the exposure from 30 sec back to 10 sec.
Excellent video. Amazing what the iPhone 16 Pro can capture. I thought the Fujifilm photo looked the best.
For a fair comparison you should stack, like the iPhone does
Awesome photo. But looking at those results, iPhone still cannot beat Galaxy S24 ultra with astromode. It can makes awesome photos with wide lens without iPhone NR artifacts, and does great job with zooms too.
I'd love to try the Galaxy in a dark sky location and see what it's capable of!
@@ianlauerastro Yes, that would be awesome. Sadly, I do not get proper dark sky anywhere near me. But, few weeks back, we had super clear skies. I went out to wonder early morning stars, with supermoon and whole first view on winter constellation (orion, syrius, procyon). Sky was bright from supermoon, starting twilight, and ground lights, and yet still my S24ultra managed to snap with 5x zoom M24 purple hue in Orion's sword. But photo took 7 minutes. I am pretty sure i did multiple shots and did automatic stacking, but no idea how it works in detail.
@@robertbloch1063nope iphone astrophotography has been significantly better than the Samsung since the 15 pros
@@what.are.you.doing.stepbro if so then it seems the iPhone16 presented here clearly is a downgrade. Because this astrophoto is worse than Samsung.
amazing vid! crazy what the iPhone can do
Thank you, I've not done much with phone cameras for astro so it's cool to see how far it's come
8:27 Is it actually the 5X or the 1X zoomed? Unless exposure is turned way down, I found a crop of the main camera is commonly used instead of changing to the 5x
Interesting, though I'm not sure why they'd do that if there's a dedicated 5x zoom lens on the phone
Is your mouse a redragon m801 ? it looks very close to mine!
Outstanding review. Lots to think about here. Thx
8:11 2,5millions of light years away but… with an apparent size 6 times that of the moon.
Andromeda is a big boi
My google pixel has a star photo mode that takes 4 minutes for a photo. It's awesome. Also does time-lapse of clouds going by
Amazing, I'd love to try one out and see how far it can be pushed :)
@@ianlauerastro I have an old Pixel 6a and tested at an really less than ideal location and still got a good milky way image with andromeda and many more things. I can't even imagine what a photo at one of your locations and with the brand new Pixel 9 must look like. I shared the photos on WhatsApp and multiple friends who are not into space at all asked me about it and if they can do the same. Spreading the hype. :)
Yes, same as the iphones, just with 16 pics, not 3..
what professional things in CROP xt4 ?
Samsung galaxy s24 ultra expert raw astro-mode has 12 minutes exposure
That's amazing, I would love to give that a try
Very cool video ! I have a 15 Pro and I was wondering if you knew how to lock the focus at infinity? For the life of me I cannot find a setting for that 😞
No need to. It does infinity focus automatically. Just point and shoot in nightmode and make sure it is 30s, etc.
@@gooddad11 Thanks. I thought so as well but for some reason my focus hunts on bright objects like Jupiter or Venus or the recent Aurora and usually ends up not at infinity.
You're wrong about the sensor size. the number is not actually in inches
I just learned about that from someone's earlier comment - coming from astronomy, we used sensor diagonal measurements to see if a sensor will be illuminated by the image circles produced a telescope.
Now I know when someone is talking about these particular sensors and says "1 inch sensor", it doesn't mean the sensor has a physical diagonal measurement of 1 inch. Learn something new every day!
2:23 that’s why he has 8k subscribers
Also that’s why he was low T levels
What you are seeing at 5:33 could possibly be the Starlink Satellite.... It shows up in my photos as well....
Bro need to Try Pixel for Astro and compare it with iPhone
Would love to try it out!
Goblin Valley!🤘
One of my favoite places to shoot astro!
Thanks!
Very cool! Awesome video.
Awesome video, Ian! So cool to see iPhone images stacked in pixinsight. Great result! I have this blueish/purple vertical banding in my iPhone 16 pro astro shots, and I see it in your images, too…saw another RUclips video about it as well. You can test it by covering the camera entirely and taking a night mode image…when I do that, I see the banding, and it’s pronounced. I wonder if taking calibration frames for the iPhone would get rid of it. 😂
Thanks Jeff - maybe we should try flats and darks for the iPhone shots haha!
@@ianlauerastroI honestly would love to see somebody do this. I’m not even sure if it would work, but it would be really interesting to find out!
A tripod, remote shutter control, the right camera app and editing software with AI makes all the difference in the world. There are much better 3rd party apps for the iPhone camera than the standard app Apple uses. Overall, high end DSLR is the way to go if you want perfection and got $3,000 to $5,000 bucks to spend on a camera. But for the other 95% of the world who are not professional photographers, you can get some amazing results with the right setup using the iPhone 16 Pro.
You need to check the prices on good quality used DSLR my friend.
@@anthonygondola3086I was talking brand new, 2024 models by premium manufactures, not the half ass 5 year old junk at a pawn shop or eBay. If you want to go that route, a couple hundred bucks would get you something.
What’s the location at 9:03?
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Bro,
The pixels has 4 mins expo,taking 15 pics and stacking them straight...
iPhones desparately need a built-in astro mode. The Pixel is wayyy ahead of the game when it comes to astrophography
which one is your BTS camera
Sony A7Siii
Awesome review! Mobile photography has come a long way!
Thanks Kyle!
camera is better at low light then iPhone. Everybody knows. So why this video??
And anyway. The secret is tracking yes or no...
Everyone these days think they are “photographers “ with their phones. It’s laughable
Yea Fr
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I don't understand how you can't see the difference, it's huge, you can clearly see the pixels and noise on the phone, all phones are rubbish in low light conditions, you can't even compare them to full frame or even apsc sensors
Doesn't even know how to put the camera in vertical for milkyway, but uses it on a phone 🤦♂️
It was at 2:23 when i decided to dislike this channel and prompted youtube to never recommend me this channel again
iPhone is not Photography, its just stupid Softwaretricks. Laughable….