Astro Editing Techniques You're Probably Not Using
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- In this tutorial video, I will show you three workflows you can use to edit your Milky Way photos to bring out their full beauty! Whether you're a beginner or a fully sleep-deprived astrophotographer (advanced), you'll learn techniques that will take your astrophotography to the next level. We'll cover everything from basic adjustments for single exposures to advanced processing techniques borrowed from real astrophotography that aren't often used for Milky Way processing. By the end of this video, you'll have the skills and knowledge to create beautiful Milky Way photos!
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0:00 Intro
0:14 Stage 1 - Lightroom Only Workflow
2:41 Stage 2 - Photoshop Stacking Workflow
8:50 Stage 3 - Full Astrophotographer Approach
13:23 Recap - Which Workflow is Best for You?
16:28 Outro
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Amongst the best video that i have watched on Milky Way processing work flow! Thanks for sharing.
A find a balance between image 1 and 2 is a much more tasteful edit than the crunchy over sat edit of image 2 by itself.
Thanks so much for watching my video! In some of the more advanced parts I will admit I had to skim over entire processes for the sake of time - if there are any parts you'd be interested in learning more about, please let me know here! I hope you learned something new from this video, whether you're just starting out or have been doing this for a while. Happy (Milky Way) hunting!
Super helpful! I've been shooting Milky Way images for four years now, processing with Sequator and Lightroom and Photoshop. This really inspires me to take the next step. I think I need to watch it four or five more times, taking notes.... 🙂
Thanks so much :) Feel free to shoot me a message on IG if you ever want clarification!
Amazing content and clarity, you do great in making this look easy for anyone! Keep it up!!
Advanced version looks so much better, absolutely worth the effort!
I watched a ton of astrophotography tutorials and this is by far the best one. I had never heard of some of the tools discussed here. It would be awesome if you could make a more detailed video on the full astrophotographer approach.
Thank you so much! I will definitely add that to my list.
Brilliant video thanks for sharing!
Yes my dude, glad to see you making these videos. Keep it up!
Thanks a ton!!
This is a pleasure to watch. Easy to learn from, well done man!
Thanks man!!
I've never seen a video as good as this one! I love it! Thanks so much for sharing, it's well worth a subscription.
Thank you so much!
Thankyou MikeGreat advice and guidance
Ok cool!
amazing how clear and simple you make the editing seem! i often take astro images but get confused, bored and annoyed with the editing. this helped massively! thank you
I'm so glad!
Thank you so much for sharing your acknowledges! This tutorial video really helps me get to next level of amatuer beginner astrophotographer! Thanks again 😊⭐
So glad you enjoyed it!
Genius understanding of technical workflow from capture to photo editing! I think for some scenes with more interesting foreground less striking astro maybe better storytelling.
Nicely laid out my friend super useful!
Appreciate it bro bro :)
Amazing tutorial! Keep up the good work
Thanks a ton Kyiat!!
Super cool !! time to level up.
Truly amazing and beautiful result using the longer workflow.
Many thanks!
This is so cool!
Thanks Tavifa :)
Great video! Very informative. Would love a shooting tutorial of the Milkway and of your day to night time-lapses!
Thanks Urmil, I'm working on the day to night timelapse tutorial as I type this!
Thank you for sharing with us ☁️
Just tryna keep up with you!!
Excellent explanation.
Great video for an useful tutorial! Would love to get more details on your pixinsight workflow for astro landscape.
Fabulous content Mike - thank you for sharing. One very small nit, whilst the music is relaxing, I would rather hear you
Nicely done!!
Thanks pal!!
Never thougth about using Pixinsight for my widefield astro images. Thanks alot.
I’m just learning Milky Way photography. I have yet to capture an image, but when I do I will definitely becoming back to this tutorial to follow your steps in editing with LR and PS. Thanks so much!
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
It was very easy to understand and helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Nice video! Quick and well explained. Tried your workflow with shots of the milky way that I took in Sahara desert. Got a lot more details out of them
Awesome, I'm so glad it was helpful!
I just found your channel, great post!
Thanks so much!
damn... that composite was awesome.
This just helped me a ton! I don't have all the same tools, but these tricks are possible in photoshop as well, even if it's a bit more work, so I'll be using them for sure.
Glad it helped!!
This was an awesome tutorial, I'm an experienced photographer but I picked up a few interesting tips. Thanks mate!
P.s this video deserves a lot more than 9k views!
Thanks a ton!🙌🙌
Thanks for the discussion. I came over from reddit where you had that amazing picture!
Glad you liked it! 🙌🙌
I have been doing amateur astrophotography for 2 years. When I started, I would definitely like image number 3 the most. Today, when I understand how the night sky is photographed and what its post-production involves, image number 3 seems terrible to me. I'm in favor of simpler adjustments that come closer to what our eyes see, it's a shame that we can't see colors as well at night as during the day. So for me, picture n.1 and n.2. Otherwise, the video is great, it shows the differences in editing very well and I would like it to be seen by as many beginner astrophotographers as possible.
To each their own! Glad you enjoyed it :)
Well done Mike
Thank you!
Excellent!
Thanks, Gus!
Oh my god !!! This is a reallyyyyy high quality content video ! I am an amateur, and your video quality is just so good, i was thinking to may be start a youtube acc on sharing my shallow astrophotography knowledge and i found your video, hahahahah it since like i have no more purpose to do it 😂
You're too kind, you should start one too! There's no downside to having more information out there :)
Thanks for the video - it's really helpful. I have been doing astro for some time, but haven't taken the time to dive into other workflows like this one. Ironically, I really prefer the "intermediate" edit, as I think there's a lot of a over processing in widefield astrophotography personally. Definitely a subjective thing though.
Yeah I agree! And honestly it's just great to have all these tools at your disposal to make those decisions and create art that you love. My workflow is always evolving (as are my preferences) and I'm sure I'll have a ton of new techniques to share by the end of milky way core season!
Great video Mike was able to follow all but one thing, when you moved the foreground Layer from lightroom how do you copy it to your main composition?
Thank you! I just selected the layer in the layers tab in PS and hit control+c to copy it. If you're having trouble with that you can also right click the layer and select "Duplicate". A dialog box will open asking where you'd like the duplicated layer to open and you can select the name of your other tab in PS where you're working on your sky layer.
THANKYOU...Advance
Thanks for watching!
Just what I needed, thanks very much. Last year, my Milky Way images took a big step up through the use of stacking (Sequator) and Starnet V2 to separate stars and nebulae for separate editing. But I'd like to take it a step further through the use of Pixinsight. You have demonstrated here what I suspected, but wasn't sure of: that it can make a big difference, and without undue trouble. I much appreciate the quick and digestible demo in this video. Now, would you consider a more detailed workflow, also using a Milky Way core image? But you have given me enough to start with here. I'm going to give it a try!
Thanks for watching and I'm glad it was helpful! Indeed, stacking is a huge upgrade in image quality. Tracking and stacking is the ultimate! Actually... Shooting longer focal lengths like 50-85mm and doing a tracked stacked panorama is the actual ultimate way!😅
My workflow has evolved so much since this video, I definitely could do a deeper dive. I'll keep it in mind!
Dude this is really well put together. Nice and straight to the point, no fluff. Love it!
Just a question, what's the reasoning behind stacking exposure? Why do you do this? Is it just foreground vs background, or do you also produce multiple layers for the sky itself, and why? Sorry, really curious to know 😁
Thank you very much! I stack multiple exposures of the sky because there is a type of noise in each shot that is random every time so if you stack a bunch of photos of the exact same thing the noise can be averaged out and the result is a cleaner looking image!
I would like to see how far we can push the Photoshop method while obtaining the Astro software result ?
I’ve been diving passionately into amateur photography for two years and although i’ve probably spent hundreds of hours editing my photos (mostly with DxO Photolab) I still feel like a complete newbie when I watch this kind of video... No matter how good your process is, I feel this kind of tutorial is kind of lost on me since I don’t think it’s really usefull to just apply a "recipe" without understanding in depth what every modification you apply to your image does exactly...
Sure, this video is meant to show some of the tools available and give a layout of my workflow on different levels. A 1-on-1 conversation and workshop would be the only way to truly explain everything in detail as it applies to your own images in particular. In fact, I'm doing a workshop just like this with an astrophotographer I look up to tomorrow! I can't wait to learn from him.
Fabulous presentation, Mike. Really a huge help to see the difference between the three processes. I do Milky way photography and want to start using Pixinsight to take it to the next level. I wasn't familiar with Astro Pixel Processor. This is the first I've seen Pixinsight used for the MW; most seem to only use it for deep space image processing. So it's obvious this can do much more than PS and LR. I'm not clear on the use of Astro Pixel Processor. Do you just use it to stack the photos? Is it worth the extra cost over Starry Landscape Stacker? Add me to the list of folks who would like to see a video from you on shooting the MW and your day to night time lapses.
Thanks so much! APP is not necessary, you can use starry landscape stacker or learn how to do preprocessing (stacking and calibration) in pixinsight. The only thing APP does better is panoramas/mosaics.
Hi Mike, thanks for making this video, really interesting to see how you're making use of the different applications. I was wondering, would you be able to do the same stacking process in Pixinsight as well, instead of using Astro Pixel Processor for that? Is there a benefit of using Astro Pixel Processor for this step? I am using trial versions of both applications at the moment and am wondering if only Pixinsight for my astro-scape edits provides all the functionality already. Thanks for your insight!
Hey there, yes absolutely you can use Pixinsight instead! I wouldn't say there's really any benefit to using APP for that step - it has always just felt more intuitive to me. I really should get better at Pixinsight though!
@@mike_abramyan Thanks a ton for the feedback! I feel you on APP being more intuitive haha. Really wish PI was a bit more accessible
but i like the beginners version better it preserve more detail and not over done lol
Hi mate. Great video. Thanks for posting. QQ. When I am in photoshop and I select my images to stack in both mean and median mode I only get a small portion of the image clear the rest is blurry with no detail at all. Any ideas? The images are already aligned via the previous action. I am trying to stack 6 x 2 minute exposures. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer here.
I'm sorry for the late reply. That is quite odd... Sounds like PS is bugging out or something? Have you tried updating your software to the latest version?
@@mike_abramyan thanks mate. Big release since I posted my reply so will try again.
You can do this with LightRoom HDR.
Hey nice edit !
I tried to stack in median mode, but most of the stars were erased following the stacking, what should I do?
Did you make sure the layers were all aligned before stacking? Also you can use a program like sequator to do the stacking for you. It's free. Just make sure to export your layers as 16 bit TIFF from Lightroom
I almost always use a single 5-10 minute exposure & photoshop to selectively add contrast. A few luminosity masks and brushed in contrast goes a long way. The LR & photoshop examples are flat, but the images just look incomplete, they could have both been taken much further.
Thanks for watching - there's always more that can be done but I find that the further you push non-linear images with low integration time, the more artifacts you will see as a result of pushing the data "too far". This is all personal preference.
Hey, great video! Why don't you stack in PixInsight?
Honestly just found APP so easy to use I never tried it. I really should though!
How did you mask the foreground before your PI stretch?
I use a separate shot for the foreground so I don't bother masking it in PI.
Hello!
Question, is it still possible to stack milky way photos without using a star tracker? If so, How do you recommend we do it without trackers?
Thanks!
Yes, it's possible without a tracker. Just follow the process in the video, it should work the same way! It's even more useful to do when not tracking so definitely give it a try.
Where would a program like stary landscape stacker fit in to all of this ?
It would take the place of Astro Pixel Processor.
why not merge the star and milky way layers in PI using PixelMath rather than Photoshop? Why not use deconvolution in PI to reduce star size? Just curious. Lovely tutorial.
I've done that before too, but if you wanted to do star reduction or anything further on the separate star and sky layers then this is much better! Sometimes I even add extra exposure to my star layer once I see how it looks over the starless and feel like the stars need to be brighter. I've tried deconvolution in PI before but don't really have a reason why I don't use it aside from the fact that I have a PS action that does it in one click for me now and it works well! Maybe the PI tool would yield better results though.
@@mike_abramyan there are methods to star shrink in PI that work very well, imho better than in Photoshop, although I will admit that the Photoshop technique is pretty good, easier to wrap your head around and you don't have to purchase an expensive piece of software that's rather specialist.
Are you stacking 15,20,25 second exposures together?
Yep.
Great content Mike. Thank you. Just an observation... I do find the music rather annoying, or perhaps too loud compared with your voice.
I love the part where he skipped over the most important part
😂😂
I don't know if the milky way is real or not. And I'm not sure. But how will i ever be able to see it if it now exists?
Head out to dark skies and have a look for yourself! You can use lightpollutionmap.info to find a dark sky site (bortle 3 or lower is recommended for naked eye Milky Way viewing). Go on a moonless night!
As a European city dweller I thought the photos were all fake until I visited Australia and saw it from myself. Turns out it's there and easy to see when there isn't too much light pollution.
Advanced.
Personally I don’t like the overdone one. Looks impressive for a second but then it wears off. The first one is more “accurate”
To each their own. Even now, in hindsight, I feel that the last one is overcooked as well and don't really go as far with my edits anymore.
Yeah I'll just pay someone to edit the photos 😂
you can pay me any time 😂😂
@@mike_abramyan bet lol
It's a great video, but get rid of that annoying background music.
Will do that next time, thanks for the feedback 👍
I think music is fine, just bring level down.
i really dont mind the music that much. ill be honest, i didnt even notice the music until i read this comment. using headphones, may be different on speakers.
good video btw, thank you for this
Yes the background music has to go. I have to watch with the sound off.
Oh no! Good feedback for the future. My newer video I was much more careful about it, let me know what you think :)
It's a great video, except for the annoying background music.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for future videos 👍
real astrophotogrophers dont use Photoshop for stacking
You do it by hand? Omg with an exposure time of 10 minutes with 1 image per 10 seconds that would be 60 images, i think software is better and makes less mistakes then a human. Or did i misunderstand you?
I lose interest at the mention of Photoshop. The most counter intuitive software ever produced. If Lightroom doesn't do it l would prefer to travel to a darker sky.
Luckily you can use Lightroom alone for quite a bit these days!
What do you use for a star tracker?
@@brentthibault3467 I don't use a tracker. I can't get my head around anything technical, even a cell phone. I've been using computers since 1980 and hate them with a passion. I rate Adobe software as the worst for ease of use. Even cameras today are too complicated. So, if l can't capture it with a click of the shutter button at a 30th of a second, so be it.