Honda tech, so I've been in a few of these already. The interior is fantastic. Did away with all the problems I had with the 10th gen. Very easy to use all the controls. Mechanically, it appears to be almost identical to the 10th generation with a couple of minor changes. The biggest difference I can tell is that there's way more open air in the engine bay, which should make things easier to work on. First car I've been able to see the ground through in a long time (if there wasn't a splash shield in the way). All in all, I like them. Big improvement over the 10th gen.
The comparison to the Mazda 3 is so fitting. It just goes to show that you don’t need to completely rebrand yourself as a ‘premium’ brand to get a nice looking and handling vehicle that doesn’t forget what its main purpose at this price point should be: to be useful and efficient while still engaging. Sure, the 3 probably has better steering feel, but regardless of how much you want your car to reflect your ‘lifestyle’, its hard to argue with a real trunk and actual space for people, something the 3 totally forgot. The hatchback versions of these vehicles makes the discrepancy between the two even more vast.
I don't like cars, and I don't even enjoy driving anymore. Why do I subscribe and enjoy every SG video? To know how to act around baristas, and for the music recommendations.
I like cars, and I enjoy driving. Analog feeling over premium interior and tech. Geese is the most entertaining, highest quality yet mostly no bs(they have to appeal to gm somehow ;D) show.
I learned during the lockouts that I still love driving, but I hate driving with people. Just too many idiots on the road. Having like 1/3 of the amount of drivers on the road was a blessing.
Me too. Although I used to enjoy the overt cynicism of Turbowski (RIP) this show -much like the new civic - seems to have grown up and strike the right balance with finesse.
Remember when the Civic was Honda's small car? So many models keep getting larger and larger, then the manufacturer needs to introduce a new model that is the size the jacked-up model used to be.
I wouldn't hold my breath. People geeked out over the fact that the 10th gen came with a manual. But in reality it was undrivable. It was shit. Horrible rev hang all the time. Refused to rev up when attempting to heel and toe. It's a lazy ass engine, choked by emissions crap.
@@ast5515 Recent BMW manual shifting with rev-matching you can turn on or off is inspiring. I expect Hondata, Cobb, and other tuners can address rev hang or other issues with the Civic.
@@Affalterbach1967 Last I heard disabling rev hang also takes out cruise control. Not sure if they fixed that since, I completely lost interest in the 10th gen. Some countries fuck you as soon as they find anything aftermarket in your car. Tuning was never an option for me. It either drives fine out of the box or it's a shitty car.
@Fly Fishing Is Life the long videos that savagegeese has done like for the miata and LFA are far above anything from throttle house. I watch TH but the geese is on another level.
I like when they said "the tried and true 1.5 T" Isn't that the very same engine that suffered oil dilution issues due to blowby? I like the channel but they are a bit too biased in Hondas favor sometimes lol
@Nomen Clature and even if they know what four cylinders are they automatically assume better gas mileage... No matter what vehicle from a f****** Tacoma to a civic lol.
An affordable car is one that an average person can afford in less than a months salary, Not an entire years salary. People are so delusional when it comes to debt these days...
The Mazda 3 speaks to me much more but its almost impossible to look past this new Civic, seems extremely well rounded. With so many great choices in the compact/not-so-compact car segment I find it disappointing they're still being snubbed in favour of stilted SUVs
@@brolyvi1211 Yeah you're definitely right. I just wonder though, with the vehicles everyone drives getting bigger the energy that has to be absorbed in a crash scales as well... Without too much thought put into it I'd expect the severity of your average accident to be way worse vs if everyone just drove a normal car
Indeed i have not had a Honda since my 1998 Honda prelude that i got new.. and just got the new 2022 civic.. and this car reminds me of late 90s Honda’s low.. clean.. sporty to drive.. and just simple..
@@brianreardon7700 this is awesome to read! My older cousins all still compliment their Preludes of that time period. I’m 21. I was considering this new Civic, but I bought a 21’ Mazda CX-5 at the end of June. I travel and wanted some features that the Civic Touring doesn’t offer, such as Lumbar in the driver seat and also ventilated seats and Heads Up Display. I spent about $4000.00 more than I had budgeted for a Civic. I’m glad you are enjoying your new Civic. It’s good to hear that Honda is doing good things.
I love it. I like that it got bigger and it’s like a family sedan for the occasional time the whole family is in the car. I test drove it today and it’s so smooth. I don’t really care about the sportiness, but it just feels so good to drive. The lane keep is amazing - like literally just works. I do wish they added even more room in the back by making the trunk smaller. It looks great in my opinion - very mature. I feel the hatchback looks more sporty, so good for that if you want it.
Am I the only one who watched the first 30 seconds and said...that's an Accord!? Cars are depressingly huge now (as a former owner of a '00 Civic Si). Styling looks great, though, inside and out.
Yes completely agree all new cars fat pigs and will continue until people stop buying them. Year after year people want more space, ride quality, quieter, ect so we're are F'd
Fit, City & especially Brio are the compact Hondas now, not to mention the N-One Kei car! :) I guess the Brio is not sold in North America because of the lack of profitability on such a small car and lack of buyer interest from North American buyers -- it's more targeted to the Indian and SE Asian markets. I guess Honda don't think the North American market would be interested in something as small as the Honda N-One with its 58hp 660cc either.
Dude they are getting so big! I have a 2017 Sonata and am currently renting a 2021 Elantra while my Sonata is in the body shop. The first thing I thought when I first sat in the Elantra was "holy shit this thing is huge!"... Like legit bigger than my 4 year old full size sedan. 🤯🤯
Too bad you can't get this in manual in this form, but after seeing it in the wild, looks much more mature this go around. Looking forward to see how the Si and R will look and drive down the line.
the buttons are important. When Honda tried to change the volume up/down rotating button with a touch button, many people found it difficult to use and it was glitchy, so Honda went back to the old style rotating button which is just perfect.
Thanks for this review. I haven't owned a car since 1988 (really!). After 27 years in NYC, the wife and I've moved back to my native California and I'm shopping a car. The hatchback version of this new Civic is my frontrunner. Sedan of same is close behind, though! This review is very encouraging.
This for me, really really brings back old school Honda. I really wasn't a fan of what they were doing between 2015 and now, this brings it back to where it should be
Truly a awesome car, I had no issues with my 2016 EX-T black midnight burgandy pearl. It hauled or family of 4 on many trips from northern Ontario to Toronto around 7.5 hours trip and do it in mostly 6 hrs with stops, and had lots of fun while achieving over 700km on one tank.
i feel like getting a physical 1st gear before it switches to infinite gear ratios is gonna be much more dependable, I wouldn't even imagine buying a Used older CVT car, especially the nissans/subarus.
@@kpokfposkf This is something literally only YT car reviewers car about because they get to launch the cars they don't own. Real world millions of people drive CVT's and don't do 0-60 runs, so paying customers don't actually care. Every CVT car can outrun traffic if you floor it.
@@stuntmonkey00 yea but they kinda plagued modern cvts, I’m sure modern Toyota Honda cvts can easily last 200k miles if they drain and fill their cvt fluids every 20k miles or two oil change intervals, but I’d still avoid early 2000s cvts at all costs. I wouldn’t mind modern cvts except the Nissan’s and subies, most 4 bangers drone really hard when you floor it anyways, all I care about is practicality and fuel efficiency lol
Honda: OK, we'll tame the wild / samurai design of the 10th Gen and go with a more conservative, boring look in the 11th with that horrible "tablet-on-dash" ! People: Nooo... Not like that !
@Boorock70 omg! I thought for a second that I was the only one who think that honda just killed the civic reputation of being a sport juvenile car and now is a old boring and from my perspective ugly car. Even the seats look very boring, and the dash with clicking sound and honeycomb mesh looks very old. Where is the innovation?
Agree 100% with everything. I think the Mazda 3 has better styling inside and out, and is much faster (with the turbo motor, anyway), and gets a "normal" (albeit old-school 6-speed) automatic transmission. But the Honda has a ton more room inside, gets better fuel economy, and gets an honest-to-goodness independent rear suspension. Furthermore, the infotainment in the Honda is a touchscreen, whereas the Mazda forces you to only use their center console knobs. Yes, the Mazda can be had with AWD, but to me, that's just more weight and complexity - I've not had an issue with running dedicated winter tires on a FWD car for nearly the past 20 years. I'd say a head-to-head comparison is definitely warranted.
I mostly agree, although I will say that Mazda's infotainment knob is intuitive enough that you really don't miss reaching out to use a touchscreen. I actually prefer the knob over touchscreen as it tends to make more ergonomic sense while driving. Furthermore, most people who shop in this segment don't know, nor care, about independent rear vs torsion beam suspension. Honda does beat out the 3 in terms of interior space, storage capacity, and fuel efficiency, but I think the rest is splitting hairs.
@@jasonharris996 Valid arguments. My wife has a Mazda CX-5, and to be truthful, we use the "commander" knob in the center console the majority of the time. Side benefit to the 3 not having a touchscreen for infotainment - no fingerprints! As far as the rear suspension, if I'm being honest, the way I drive, I probably wouldn't notice the difference either.....
But the Honda Civic is one of the most reliable vehicles on the planet if you want something reliable to Toyota Corolla Toyota Camry in Honda Civic we're going to last longer than the Mazda 3
Matthew Fuller, I like the Mazda 3 for the many positives you describe, but I just can't get past the exterior styling of the current generation. It looks to me like the sides have been caved in by someone kicking them. A neighbor has one in black, which looks great at night when that caved-in look is less noticeable, but that still wouldn't work for me.
Facts. Hondata dyno’d the 11th gen 1.5T and did find it had less power than the 10th gen version. The previous gen was getting ~180 whp and 200 hp at the crank. The 11th gen is seeing 164 whp and maybe 180 hp at the crank. I have no idea what Honda decided to nerf it, but the fact the same engine now runs on 87 octane may be the culprit. Maybe they figured their customers didn’t like paying for premium at the pump, so they detuned it.
i would hope they did, but for some reason i kinda doubt they changed it edit: wait nvm there was actually updates to the engine, so i guess only time will tell
Not actually fixed but they addressed it incorrectly in colder states with a tweak to fuel/air mixture, most people complaining of dilution say the tweak did nothing to solve the problem
@@hlfbrwnhlfamzng I know about the "fix" but there's no way they can fix it with software change since it's a design flaw. I was expecting they would change the design
@@zupinu2000 Thanks for the GREAT question👍🏼. Most likely, but as usual, Honda is going to hold it, most likely for 6 LONG months or at a least after they release the SI model. I hate that game, but I guess is a good marketing strategy type of thing for them. 🤷🏻♂️
If I can remove the 2022 giant center console, which crushes the knees of my 6"5" frame, and insert the tiny, low profile console of my 1999 Civic EX, I'm sold. I'd like to meet the person who decided we only need a knee-box xy inches wide and everyone else must suffer. Because we could figure this out 20+ years ago with minimalist consoles that still held two drinks and a phone...
I think you should be looking at a different size car. I’ll tell you what... the most comfortable “car” I’ve ever driven is actually a truck. I’m 6’3, some small cars I can fit in but for the longer rides are not comfortable. My 2003 Silverado is super comfy, my 2010 grand marquis is aswell but the dash feels to close. The 2009 Mercedes C300 is actually good but on those 3-4 hour rides to Vegas it starts to suck towards the end. It just sucks having big legs lol. My buddy had the new Supra at his shop, I didn’t even bother trying to imagine trying to squeeze in that thing.
The low profile part makes the most difference in this case because the hip room is 4.3” wider in the 2022 than the 1999. Of course, you were rubbing elbows with your passenger then, and no Twinkie storage either.
American Manufacturers: we can build a safe reliable fuel efficient subcompact sedan or coupe with low maintenance costs American Consumer: no thanks, I want a the oversized soccer mom rig
@@debrisbit i should have been more descriptive, I apologize for my wording. My close circle refuses to buy anything non American made, and they can't comprehend that honda is more American made than gm ... Have a super awesome day 😎
@@redwineisfine well the asian brands dont have the overhead detroit does with unionized labor. Same for Tesla. I find it surprising the big 3 have stayed in business.
Very happy to hear they will offer a manual hatch. For me, that saves some spirit of the Civic. I like the way this car looks Otherwise it seems like just a very good, if large, appliance. Edit: Also glad to hear the Si and Type R are coming. I was worried both had been discontinued.
They could but then no one would buy new cars from them for 10 years. And since basically only the North America buys US cars...yeah...you see the problem.
domestic brands will never die since they always make deals with government/rental fleets, if they wanna get rid of the unsold cars, they just make a huge sale with $0 down and 0% interest, resale value is non-existent, basically disposable cars...
@@m00hk00h basically yea, but GM (Buick) is also tremendously popular in China. Many brands have started gaining traction on sales in other countries, it’s really hard for a corp to just go insolvent overnight lol
@@m00hk00h for a Corp like GM, it comes down to how to expand with their asset and cash globally, but not how to improve products they actually sell lol 😂
Correction for you: the 2022 Civic Sedan does not offer a manual transmission at any trim level; sport and up get paddle shifters for faux-manual driving. The 2022 Hatchback, however, will apparently have some flavor of manual available, and the Si/Type R trims will feature manual exclusively. Which is good, because my lord does Honda make a nice manual transmission.
The ninth-generation hatchback was OK, actually very good even -- every bit the match for a Mk7 Golf with the Civic having lots of insulation & refined touches together with the magic seats. The FK2 Civic Type R is my favourite turbo Type R, I like the smoother lines compared to the FK8, plus the two-tier dash and the physical LED shift lights. It was just the sedan which received the cost-cutting.
Many manufacturers now prioritise form over function, they've all gone crazy. No point in getting their cars any more. Volvo is just about to loose the plot with their designs, trying to recreate Tesla interiours while being on nose candy. I'm starting to like what Honda, Toyota, Mazda and Kia are doing with their designs, so likely I'll have to get one of their cars in the next few years. Kinda funny. Volvo and Eastern asian brans always keep going in 20 year cycles. Who knows, maybe in another 30 years volvo will start making good designs and time will come for the Eastern asian companies to start making themselves unapealing again.
Most new cars are what they are and tending towards mazda or Tesla. In terms of design they are the leader. Doesn't necessarily mean they have the best factories or sell the most. But they pull the designers. Glad Honda is moving away from the split level dash.
@@noobasdfjkl autocorrect changed it from lose to loose... But they've completely walked back on what was important in their designs. For the last 40 years it has been a family car, loads of boot space, very ruggid durability and practical parts that shouldn't cost an arm and a leg to replace. Their newest concepts have none of that. Completely turned their backs on existing customers, at least the ones who look for a car that can do everything, from traveling across a continent with ease, going offroading and driving the kids to school.
i've sat in a C300 wagon, the V90s, the V60s, a UX250h and a CX-30. and i liked the CX-30 the most. it's roomier than the 250h, it's easier to use than the C300, and the bose sound system is indistinguishable to my ear from the B&W in the volvos... but mazda doesn't spec the CX-30 all that well. at least not in canada, there's no 360 cam, on a car with horrible blind spots (and mazda loves their thick rear pillars for some dumb reason). and they don't even include roof siderails from the factory, on a CUV. the asians just don't do low rooflines and big space, in north america. I'm waiting to see what the 2022 brings, but right now, the value per dollar (and sheer interior space) of a CPO V90/V90CC is worth the infotainment. but if honda or mazda brought over a wagon? especially if honda made a hybrid accord wagon? i'd buy that in a heart beat. a camry/avalon wagon, i'd be too worried toyota would do what they're doing in the venza, capacitative touch "buttons" and touch screen infotainment... i like the volvos more than i like that nonsense.
Honda are the People's champion they must listen to their customers as you said they've dulled the exterior down but so looking forward to the sport and a Type R, the interior looks looks interesting again and like my fn2 type R it should be a nice place to be in. This is the Accord that we lost in Europe thank god we're actually getting this one, Civic love😍👊
I'm driving this as a lease and after around 700 miles it's been a joy. It handles well and with the 1.5T CVT it is incredibly smooth. The ride is soft and the controls are excellent. It feels sporty but not harsh. So far I would really recommend this.
@@jaysson1151 I’ve driven for 5 hours straight in it and my butt did end up hurting, but I think that’ll be the case for most cars in this price range after that long.
Great, only one problem for me. CVT. Why they are putting such a trash into these cars, when there are a great conventional cheap automatics like 8-speed ZF.
As he said it's presumably because of gas mileage and the CVT is smoother than the DSG/DCT and won't get jerky like ZF, so it fits better in a daily driver.
8-speed ZF is for rear wheel drive cars, Acura had a LOT of problems with the 9-speed ZF for front wheel cars. Besides, Honda have their own 8-speed dual-clutch and 10-speed auto as the more expensive gearboxes for the Acura models. The CVT is used in the lower-priced Civic since it costs less to make.
Nah, I don't like the interior. Don't get me wrong: I admit it's practical and I also prefer physical controls over this finger-print madness. But still... it's not attractive. I hate that sticking out screen. And no manual gearbox on sedan? Big no for me! The outside however grew on me. At first I thought it was dull, but actually it's just mature and quite inoffensive. That's all.
as a current owner of a 10th gen Civic, this 11th generation really improves in most areas. It’s another step upmarket. If Honda were further ahead with their electrification I would absolutely buy this Civic however, I live in Iceland where you can effectively only buy hybrid and full electric cars, so I have probably already bought my last Honda. If I end up in a Tesla or something similar, I will miss the ergonomics, the physical controls that Honda do so well.
If you care about fit and finish, don’t get a Tesla. Look up Car Craft Auto Detailing on YT and see his inspection of a Model 3. Total horseshit quality compared to even…a Nissan. Honda won’t disappoint you in any manner similar to the aforementioned.
@@WhiteLivesMatterPL me too. Because I had a mechanic friend that was just as cynical and jaded as turbowski was. Plus car makers need to be called out for the bs they put in cars nowadays
These honestly look perfectly fine in person. I've seen a couple since they've started to go on sale in my area. Both black. I like these more than the freakish design of the prior. It's refreshing to see a Honda with a DIFFERENT face on it, period. Every single model besides this one wears the same front end and it's not even a good looking front end 🤣 Interior blows the old out of the water
@@johnfranklin5277 it's just not but some people just can't see stuff like that. I guess. I once had my buddy with me at a Nissan dealership and I was pointing at a 2018 Nissan Maxima and a 2018 Nissan Altima side by side, both were facing us, and he said they look the same. The Accord front end looks far busier than the Civic to me. Now if you said the side profile, I'd agree with you. From the side they look practically identical
I'm glad you guys mentioned this is just your normal everyday car, wasn't meant to be a super fast sports car. Seems like every other car reviewer says "its not as fast as a lambo, but I'll give it a pass" like no sh*t sherlock lol Seriously not everyone is looking for a speed demon, some just want good mpgs 😂
CVT is just crap. It lags and feels like a rubber band. 1.4L turbo is crap because it's direct injection only, and unless it's driven with balls spun out of it all the time, valves, EGR, turbo, and cat will get plugged up by carbon. 2.0L multi-point fuel injection with a manual transmission would work just fine though.
@@Scypher0th CVT is not about comfort, it's all about cost cutting. Every CVT I drove is crap. Nissan's Jetco is specifically crap that falls apart. 8-speed autos are the best, but they cost more, weigh more.
@@BigSmartArmed I don't think there's a lot of truth to that besides anecdotally. I noticed there are a lot more 90s Japanese cars running around in the south than north since a lot of them were susceptible to rust. Mechanically old Hondas are a fair bit more reliable than subies
An appliance vehicle for the masses, at an entry level price point that will fit in a modest family monthly budget. It's a Honda and they will sell all they make.
What will those buy that don’t belong to the masses? My wealthy best friend just bought a Volvo S90 Recharge Inscription- it was about $60k. And me, well I’m part of the masses and leased a new Mazda CX-5 Turbo w/AWD. My other best friend who is a doctor now picked up a 2 year old Range Rover.
….aluminum hood, composite rear deck, aluminum front sub frame, etc…..and it’s like 100 pounds heavier than the 10th Gen. I mean, I’m craving these items for my ‘16 lx coupe. Might even be worth a few grand, (probably more) to lighten the load. Why even bother spending that much? Because the 10th and 11th have same k20c2, and almost identical 1.5 , but I’d be 250 pounds lighter. Despite Honda industry-leading use of materials and chassis rigidity, the 11gen is the most massive civic ever. The major engine and aero and NVH improvements were developed for/from the 10th gen. ….and looking, comparing the 10th and 11th dash/center console. The touch screen, stretching above the dash like so many others, that made SG list of “worst automotive trends” seems like a giant leap backwards for all mankind. Yeah, I saw the neat honeycomb dash, for a minute.
A 4 door Civic Si hatchback will be a really good choice for small families that wants that sporty feeling without loosing the practical characteristics of the car. Honestly this sedan will aged very well.
This new Civic takes the crown for me in this class. With the MK7 Golf, I preferred it over the 10th gen Civic due to looks and I absolutely loved the interior of the Golf. But they significantly cut costs on the new Golf, plus we’re not getting the regular version in the US. I cannot applaud Honda enough for this interior. While some manufacturers are moving to touch capacitive buttons which are terrible to use (very distracting while driving), Honda buttoned down and took care of the important aspects. I personally can’t wait to drive the hatch with a 2.0 and the manual. The Si and Type R will be great as well. Excellent video!!
@@JB-kz4hi same i hate road noise. I want nothing, no heated seats, no sunroof, no leather. I just want quite car . Now i am wondering if camry LE is also missing sounding deadening compared to xle or xse . Or accord lx vs ex etc
For cars like this, I feel like real-world mpg would be really useful information to include in your reviews. Sometimes it's not even close to the EPA numbers, especially the highway numbers since I think they still only test at 55 mph. Better fuel economy is probably the biggest reason why people should buy this over, for example, the HR-V for the same money (since the average customer doesn't care so much about driving dynamics), but it's something you rarely talk about.
I get a feeling it's a hard figure for them to provide as they admit driving like jackasses, leading to inconsistent comparisons. There are other channels out there that do this in a more controlled manner.
He does talk about it in some videos. I think it’s a fair point, but I recall another video where he said even driving like a jackass he got something like 30 mpg (forget the car atm). This channel is very clearly focused at enthusiasts, and cover cars that apply to people at different stages of their lives. That being said, fuel economy isn’t unimportant, but the dynamics, serviceability, engine options etc are a lot more on the mind of the target viewer.
I was struck by the title of this video. As I've watched/read reviews of the new Civic it occurred to me that self-styled "enthusiasts" underestimate the challenge of designing a car like this. Especially if it's to be sold in a variety of national markets, some with consumers obsessed with SUVs and others where a sedan is still a family's default choice. First and foremost it has to be affordable with an MSRP that tops out around $30K and with operating costs that won't put a serious dent in the monthly budget. It has to be an accommodating daily driver as well as longer distance road "tripper" with room for four (or in a pinch five) passengers and their luggage/gear. Not likely to be leased and discarded after 3 years, it should look good (not out of date) and run well six or more years down the road, retaining as much value as possible when it is replaced. If a consumer's politics or economics make fuel economy the most important priority a hybrid, PHEV, or an EV version may be a worthwhile option but even the much larger group of consumers who still opt a conventional ICE vehicle may find that big large figure on a window sticker to be a critical factor in a showroom. A one or two mpg advantage may not pencil out as a big savings but it still matters, especially to those who find arithmetic a challenge. That makes an automaker's selection of a CVT for vehicles in this category understandable, especially if its is relatively transparent. Most consumers won't care whether it's a CVT, a torque converter, or a dual clutch transmission as long as they don't have to deal with three pedals. Stop light drag races, much less track performance, don't matter to potential customers of these vehicles, either. But "peppy" performance, especially for passing is. Acceleration from 0-60 mph is far less crucial than from 50 to 70 mph. What does matter are driver assistance and safety aids, especially if combined with digital eye candy. If cost cutting is required in less noticeable areas or such amenities are used to tempt customers to select a higher trim, that's OK as long as the MSRP doesn't seriously exceed the $30K ceiling. Put it all together and the new Civic sedan is a very strong entry and a notable accomplishment in this vehicle category. The exterior styling is more "conservative" than the last generation. It will age well, I think, and that makes it appealing both to new car buyers and likely in terms of resale value down the line. For fuel misers, the base engine exceeds the magic 40 mpg bar (highway) and the more powerful 1.5L turbo in the Touring trim is no slouch at 38 mpg. Interior space is especially generous both in the back seat and in the trunk. All in all, the interior is strikingly upscale with a minimalist vibe. The entire sedan market segment (all sizes) is shrinking, especially in North America, but the Civic looks well positioned to fight off rivals from Korea and elsewhere.
Great post but Hondas are overpriced due to zero dealer discounts. Zero manufacturer cash rebates and zero dealer discounts. Plus they force you to pay dealer markup and for dealer installed accessories. I would much rather buy the 2022 Corolla.
@@braetonwilson4296 Different strokes for different folks but if you're correct that Toyota offers rebates and dealer discounts that aren't available for the Civic the reason is simple -- the greater popularity of the Honda. It's very difficult to escape the iron law of supply and demand.
Honda's can be world beaters with the inside and being user friendly with it's interior controls. I just can't get past the looks, to me, it just doesn't look very good.
Really love this redesign. A lot of people hate the exterior look but I don’t think it’s that bad and the new interior is much improved. Good work Honda.
Quite literally hit the nail on the head with this one. I bought a 2022 civic touring 3 weeks ago and really like the car. Everything you guys have mentioned is why I ended up buying it. The main point being that it doesn’t feel like a piece of shit.
So let me get this straight, the 1.5t civic starts at 24700. A camry/accord with similar/better power, and better transmissions starts at about the same price... You can't tell me that this isnt inflation when I walked out paying 24k OTD for a 2019 camry XSE...NEW EDIT: Jack said "I don't see a reason for a honda accord". I do! Because for the price of a touring civic I can get an accord sport FFS. How hard is this to understand for car reviewers that cars aren't in a vacuum, they are being cross shopped and compared. What the actual F jack? Don't tell me that you would actually pay 28k for a civic?
Yes there is inflation. A lot. This last year and a half has been an economical disaster, worldwide. Overall politics have also become a lot worse, now that govt got an excuse to control people more and we kinda got more used to it. And inflation, as always, hits a lot more lower and middle classes than upper classes because the lower you are economically, the more you rely on the salary you get which is in currency, rather than having your net worth (if you even have any) in appreciating assets like stocks, real estate, etc...
It is mentioned in the review, repeatedly, that this Civic - "at least, the Touring model" - is quiet. But now that many have bought this Civic Touring, I'm seeing references to loud cabin/road noise. Some have swapped tires for supposedly-quieter models, to little avail. I'm wondering if there's a remedy, without removing seats and carpeting to apply more insulation, or the silly idea of blasting the sound system to camouflage the noise (or buying a Mazda 3 instead)?
A much more mature styled car , more sophisticated inside, practical and efficient. But this is the top level trim - lets see a review on a base model.
Sometimes less is more. Sometimes people acknowledge their mistakes and say “never mind..” Glad the over-stylized, pseudo-aggressive anime shit is slowly falling out of style
Now if you want a Honda sedan you have two choices: the Accord and the Accord mini.
I may buy this little Accord maybe next year.
That is exactly what I was thinking.
Kia should have called the Forte the Rio Grande, a bigger Kia Rio lol.
Lmao .... right , doesn’t it look like a smaller accord but not that small only compared to the accord 🤣😂
Accord or Accivic you ment to say, buddy! 😂 funny about the iHonda Phone cars, Accord Pro and Accord Pro Max. And where did the civic go to?!
Honda tech, so I've been in a few of these already. The interior is fantastic. Did away with all the problems I had with the 10th gen. Very easy to use all the controls. Mechanically, it appears to be almost identical to the 10th generation with a couple of minor changes. The biggest difference I can tell is that there's way more open air in the engine bay, which should make things easier to work on. First car I've been able to see the ground through in a long time (if there wasn't a splash shield in the way). All in all, I like them. Big improvement over the 10th gen.
When you say "there's way more open air in the engine bay", are you referring to the 2.0L engine or/and Turbo one?
@@BobbyR2 Both. Though the 2.0 was never really starved for space to begin with.
Can you comment on the problems with the turbo engine I’ve read about?
Haven’t seen SG this excited about an interior since he found the soy needle stash box hidden in the C7 Corvette.
Yeah that and the Hyundai Santa Fe. He loves that interior more than most luxury vehicles. 😆
The comparison to the Mazda 3 is so fitting. It just goes to show that you don’t need to completely rebrand yourself as a ‘premium’ brand to get a nice looking and handling vehicle that doesn’t forget what its main purpose at this price point should be: to be useful and efficient while still engaging. Sure, the 3 probably has better steering feel, but regardless of how much you want your car to reflect your ‘lifestyle’, its hard to argue with a real trunk and actual space for people, something the 3 totally forgot. The hatchback versions of these vehicles makes the discrepancy between the two even more vast.
glad i could start my weekend with physical controls and control arms
Medical grade tactile response
I don't like cars, and I don't even enjoy driving anymore. Why do I subscribe and enjoy every SG video? To know how to act around baristas, and for the music recommendations.
On point. In addition to what you mentioned I watch to get tips on the latest Midwestern fashion trends (Patagonia swag, etc).
I identify as a Honda civic and thus I like this video
I like cars, and I enjoy driving. Analog feeling over premium interior and tech. Geese is the most entertaining, highest quality yet mostly no bs(they have to appeal to gm somehow ;D) show.
I learned during the lockouts that I still love driving, but I hate driving with people. Just too many idiots on the road. Having like 1/3 of the amount of drivers on the road was a blessing.
Me too. Although I used to enjoy the overt cynicism of Turbowski (RIP) this show -much like the new civic - seems to have grown up and strike the right balance with finesse.
Remember when the Civic was Honda's small car? So many models keep getting larger and larger, then the manufacturer needs to introduce a new model that is the size the jacked-up model used to be.
Difficult to make something so small meet all the safety regulations required
This car is bigger than my 02 Honda Accord, lol
Bigger but almost same weight. Still a compact car
Small cars are pointless in most of America so nobody buys them. Plus small cars aren't even that much cheaper
MURICA!
Looking forward to the manual hatch civic review
Looking forward to an NSX review, new or old.
Tickle the fickle 2
I wouldn't hold my breath.
People geeked out over the fact that the 10th gen came with a manual. But in reality it was undrivable. It was shit.
Horrible rev hang all the time.
Refused to rev up when attempting to heel and toe.
It's a lazy ass engine, choked by emissions crap.
@@ast5515 Recent BMW manual shifting with rev-matching you can turn on or off is inspiring. I expect Hondata, Cobb, and other tuners can address rev hang or other issues with the Civic.
@@Affalterbach1967 Last I heard disabling rev hang also takes out cruise control. Not sure if they fixed that since, I completely lost interest in the 10th gen.
Some countries fuck you as soon as they find anything aftermarket in your car. Tuning was never an option for me. It either drives fine out of the box or it's a shitty car.
Here before the Civic Cross ™ becomes a thing
God, please no. I can’t take another crossover man
Civic Crosstour. Debut 2023.
Probably.
Why are those goddamn tiny crossovers so popular. People like them?
It's like they slapped small cars with plastic and the ugly stick.
Isn’t that the HR-V?
There was the Civic wagovan
I actually really like this Civic, I can't wait to see the Si and Type R for this.
Agreed. Honda finally got it right and went back to their roots
@@JDawg271 Yeah, this is basically a 9th gen Accord sedan. Not bad at all, but not really what people think of when you say Civic.
If you're going to do that Sedan showdown, please do the Base Models. This premium trim level is almost $10,000 more when you factor in tax.
Good point
Oh is this the touring model? I think they review what the manufacturer sends them, usually the top trim to show off what you can get.
Manufacturers always give the premium models to reviewers. You almost never see base model reviews from anyone.
I think this is what separates RCR from the rest; you see car as they NOT intended to be seen by the manufacturer
Base models are plane janes, put extra money and get a middle trim at least
Im upset they got rid of the coupe. I feel like it would’ve looked really cool with the new taillights and front fascia
The fwd coupe is nearly dead
People don’t buy them enough
@J S sorry about your lobotomy but the last gen coupe was gorgeous especially the Si.
The coupe in hatch form would be my ideal vehicle
Was it really a coupe though? More like a 2-door hatch.
Honda has done it again. Proving that practicality and usability first makes for some of the best cars.
This is the review I’ve been waiting for!!! Hands down the best car channel on this platform
TRUE
@Fly Fishing Is Life the long videos that savagegeese has done like for the miata and LFA are far above anything from throttle house. I watch TH but the geese is on another level.
@Fly Fishing Is Life and throttle house is way better than the other two (forgot the name)
Rory Reid from auto trader is right there with the best
@Fly Fishing Is Life love throttle house but I feel like they’re a close second. Geese is hella informative and I learn so much. TH is awesome too
I tend to like Mazda more, but that Civic looks real good. Clever interior and not Bad looking. I would still choose the 3 but, great work Honda
Finally a four popper to suit my soy latte addiction
Canadians...
I like when they said "the tried and true 1.5 T" Isn't that the very same engine that suffered oil dilution issues due to blowby? I like the channel but they are a bit too biased in Hondas favor sometimes lol
@@Thelingerer yeah, it's like when the 6.5 diesel guys come in bashing the Cummins that's got 400k miles and runs lol
9th Gen 2013 Civic Si preferred but hey that’s life
@Nomen Clature and even if they know what four cylinders are they automatically assume better gas mileage... No matter what vehicle from a f****** Tacoma to a civic lol.
This is one of the best new civic vids out there. Great info
And its still not better than the Mazda 3
I really appreciate that you take the time to look at these affordable everyday, everyman cars.
It would be better if you can gets on lower trims too ...
@@v_n_bot most press cars are higher trims so its very hard to get those more budget friendly trims for reviews.
An affordable car is one that an average person can afford in less than a months salary, Not an entire years salary.
People are so delusional when it comes to debt these days...
looks like an old corolla which is no good thing
@@Luke-xv5yq what new car can you afford with a month's salary?... What USED (modern good condition) car can you get with a month's salary?
First thing I said when I saw this, was this Civic reminds me SO much of the 4th gen Civic, and that is a GREAT thing.
The Mazda 3 speaks to me much more but its almost impossible to look past this new Civic, seems extremely well rounded. With so many great choices in the compact/not-so-compact car segment I find it disappointing they're still being snubbed in favour of stilted SUVs
Because on a head on collision with a 3500 lbs suv to 4500 lbs, you die.
@@brolyvi1211 Yeah you're definitely right. I just wonder though, with the vehicles everyone drives getting bigger the energy that has to be absorbed in a crash scales as well... Without too much thought put into it I'd expect the severity of your average accident to be way worse vs if everyone just drove a normal car
Because people have a deathwish, and rolling over is an epic way to exit this meaningless existence
The Mazda wouldn't hold up in resale as well as the Honda. Its shape is rather controversial.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector yeah the Honda would definitely be the more rational buy but the Mazda design just looks much more special to me
Geez. At this rate, they’re going to have to make the Accord an SUV.
I think that ship sailed since 10th Gen civic came around in '16. Accord is just huge now.
😂
I have a rather suspicious feeling this comment won't age well.
Crosstour?
Wait, this wasn't a accord in the video?
This reminds me that when Honda wants to get things done right, they do.
Indeed i have not had a Honda since my 1998 Honda prelude that i got new.. and just got the new 2022 civic.. and this car reminds me of late 90s Honda’s low.. clean.. sporty to drive.. and just simple..
@@brianreardon7700 this is awesome to read! My older cousins all still compliment their Preludes of that time period. I’m 21. I was considering this new Civic, but I bought a 21’ Mazda CX-5 at the end of June. I travel and wanted some features that the Civic Touring doesn’t offer, such as Lumbar in the driver seat and also ventilated seats and Heads Up Display. I spent about $4000.00 more than I had budgeted for a Civic. I’m glad you are enjoying your new Civic. It’s good to hear that Honda is doing good things.
I love it. I like that it got bigger and it’s like a family sedan for the occasional time the whole family is in the car. I test drove it today and it’s so smooth. I don’t really care about the sportiness, but it just feels so good to drive. The lane keep is amazing - like literally just works. I do wish they added even more room in the back by making the trunk smaller. It looks great in my opinion - very mature. I feel the hatchback looks more sporty, so good for that if you want it.
Am I the only one who watched the first 30 seconds and said...that's an Accord!? Cars are depressingly huge now (as a former owner of a '00 Civic Si). Styling looks great, though, inside and out.
Yes completely agree all new cars fat pigs and will continue until people stop buying them. Year after year people want more space, ride quality, quieter, ect so we're are F'd
Agreed, I'd love to own an Accord 2.0t but at 192" in length, it's a damn yacht! You think the ILX replacement will be on this platform with a 2.0t? 😎
If the Civic is as fast as the Accord, what would happen to 2022 Accord? Crossover?
Fit, City & especially Brio are the compact Hondas now, not to mention the N-One Kei car! :) I guess the Brio is not sold in North America because of the lack of profitability on such a small car and lack of buyer interest from North American buyers -- it's more targeted to the Indian and SE Asian markets. I guess Honda don't think the North American market would be interested in something as small as the Honda N-One with its 58hp 660cc either.
***that's NOT an Accord
I just parked next to one of these, I was surprised the Civic is as big as my 13 Legacy ...proportionally darn close!
Dude they are getting so big!
I have a 2017 Sonata and am currently renting a 2021 Elantra while my Sonata is in the body shop.
The first thing I thought when I first sat in the Elantra was "holy shit this thing is huge!"...
Like legit bigger than my 4 year old full size sedan. 🤯🤯
Too bad you can't get this in manual in this form, but after seeing it in the wild, looks much more mature this go around. Looking forward to see how the Si and R will look and drive down the line.
Looks identical except for some add ons like spoiler ect and type r will be manual
the buttons are important. When Honda tried to change the volume up/down rotating button with a touch button, many people found it difficult to use and it was glitchy, so Honda went back to the old style rotating button which is just perfect.
because: OPPOSABLE THUMBS.
The exterior just looks so much better than the last one.
Yeah, lots of cars look weird at first and later seem fine, but the last-gen Civic never grew on me.
Thanks for this review. I haven't owned a car since 1988 (really!). After 27 years in NYC, the wife and I've moved back to my native California and I'm shopping a car. The hatchback version of this new Civic is my frontrunner. Sedan of same is close behind, though! This review is very encouraging.
I’ve never been so soon to a savagegeese vid. Today is going to be a good day. Happy Friday y’all!
Best thing to wake up to, no doubt.
This for me, really really brings back old school Honda. I really wasn't a fan of what they were doing between 2015 and now, this brings it back to where it should be
Honestly love how this car looks, I hated the look of the previous gen, cant wait for the si
Truly a awesome car, I had no issues with my 2016 EX-T black midnight burgandy pearl. It hauled or family of 4 on many trips from northern Ontario to Toronto around 7.5 hours trip and do it in mostly 6 hrs with stops, and had lots of fun while achieving over 700km on one tank.
So its a 9th gen accord.
Holy cow that looks as big as and Accord a couple generations ago.
And now the Accord is that much bigger, as well. This new Civic, in Touring form, could now take some sales away from the Accord.
Yeah the accord competes with Avalon instead of Camry.
This civic is about the same size as the 1994-1997 Accord the CD5 and that was 27 years ago
I was thinking the same thing. It looks about as spacious as our 97 Accord EX.
@@f181234 Accords used to be smaller than this Civic.
I'm sorry but CVT is where I draw my line. That interior is real nice though for sure.
@suspicionofdeceit True that.
i feel like getting a physical 1st gear before it switches to infinite gear ratios is gonna be much more dependable, I wouldn't even imagine buying a Used older CVT car, especially the nissans/subarus.
@@kpokfposkf This is something literally only YT car reviewers car about because they get to launch the cars they don't own. Real world millions of people drive CVT's and don't do 0-60 runs, so paying customers don't actually care. Every CVT car can outrun traffic if you floor it.
@@stuntmonkey00 yea but they kinda plagued modern cvts, I’m sure modern Toyota Honda cvts can easily last 200k miles if they drain and fill their cvt fluids every 20k miles or two oil change intervals, but I’d still avoid early 2000s cvts at all costs. I wouldn’t mind modern cvts except the Nissan’s and subies, most 4 bangers drone really hard when you floor it anyways, all I care about is practicality and fuel efficiency lol
Honda: OK, we'll tame the wild / samurai design of the 10th Gen and go with a more conservative, boring look in the 11th with that horrible "tablet-on-dash" !
People: Nooo... Not like that !
LMAO...
I own a 2019 and prefer the edgier look of mine.
@@porschefanatic1049
I prefer the 10th gen too. Way more modern and a much better stance too.
man that tablet-on-dash looks like it gets in the way
@Boorock70 omg! I thought for a second that I was the only one who think that honda just killed the civic reputation of being a sport juvenile car and now is a old boring and from my perspective ugly car.
Even the seats look very boring, and the dash with clicking sound and honeycomb mesh looks very old. Where is the innovation?
Agree 100% with everything. I think the Mazda 3 has better styling inside and out, and is much faster (with the turbo motor, anyway), and gets a "normal" (albeit old-school 6-speed) automatic transmission. But the Honda has a ton more room inside, gets better fuel economy, and gets an honest-to-goodness independent rear suspension. Furthermore, the infotainment in the Honda is a touchscreen, whereas the Mazda forces you to only use their center console knobs. Yes, the Mazda can be had with AWD, but to me, that's just more weight and complexity - I've not had an issue with running dedicated winter tires on a FWD car for nearly the past 20 years. I'd say a head-to-head comparison is definitely warranted.
I mostly agree, although I will say that Mazda's infotainment knob is intuitive enough that you really don't miss reaching out to use a touchscreen. I actually prefer the knob over touchscreen as it tends to make more ergonomic sense while driving. Furthermore, most people who shop in this segment don't know, nor care, about independent rear vs torsion beam suspension. Honda does beat out the 3 in terms of interior space, storage capacity, and fuel efficiency, but I think the rest is splitting hairs.
@@jasonharris996 Valid arguments. My wife has a Mazda CX-5, and to be truthful, we use the "commander" knob in the center console the majority of the time. Side benefit to the 3 not having a touchscreen for infotainment - no fingerprints! As far as the rear suspension, if I'm being honest, the way I drive, I probably wouldn't notice the difference either.....
@@matthewfuller1129 agree. I think Mazda's infotainment knob is very well executed and yes, no smudges on the screen is a plus lol!
But the Honda Civic is one of the most reliable vehicles on the planet if you want something reliable to Toyota Corolla Toyota Camry in Honda Civic we're going to last longer than the Mazda 3
Matthew Fuller,
I like the Mazda 3 for the many positives you describe, but I just can't get past the exterior styling of the current generation. It looks to me like the sides have been caved in by someone kicking them. A neighbor has one in black, which looks great at night when that caved-in look is less noticeable, but that still wouldn't work for me.
That cinematography in the beginning was incredible.
U say power is increased from prior gen yet its significantly slower. Fact is the 10th gen was underrated and the new civic is actually down on power.
He said that off the line speed is not increased. Lower end torque was improve to make it feel snappier at the cost of horsepower.
Facts. Hondata dyno’d the 11th gen 1.5T and did find it had less power than the 10th gen version. The previous gen was getting ~180 whp and 200 hp at the crank. The 11th gen is seeing 164 whp and maybe 180 hp at the crank. I have no idea what Honda decided to nerf it, but the fact the same engine now runs on 87 octane may be the culprit. Maybe they figured their customers didn’t like paying for premium at the pump, so they detuned it.
Did they fix the dilution problem on the 1.5T? I really like the interior of the car and am considering it, but I don't trust that 1.5T engine
i would hope they did, but for some reason i kinda doubt they changed it
edit: wait nvm there was actually updates to the engine, so i guess only time will tell
Not actually fixed but they addressed it incorrectly in colder states with a tweak to fuel/air mixture, most people complaining of dilution say the tweak did nothing to solve the problem
@@hlfbrwnhlfamzng I know about the "fix" but there's no way they can fix it with software change since it's a design flaw. I was expecting they would change the design
Wasn’t the last gen civic for the world as well? I thought I remembered that being a point as well.
Yup.
I bought one 3 weeks ago. Great for commuting in one of the largest US cities!
Tell the truth about the troubled 1.5 litre turbo .. you don’t turbo 1.5 L motors🤮
"You can be a real adult, a big person, over 6 ft tall"
Hurt me being 5”9😒
Lol
@@evan9759 5'11'" here, still a manlet i guess.
and theres people complaining car become larger and larger, but they forget how humongous they grow over the last 50 years
I like this design way more than prior generations, after 2004 civics looked horrendous. Honda finally caught my eye again on the freeway.
I love the sum up "It's not a turd" 😂😂😂 lol looking at you Nissan
LOL
That made me laugh
Nissan Altima is a ho car
Nah the new sentra is ok actually
Waiting for the type R like a kid on Christmas nigh, anxiety levels 🚀🚀🚀
Si owner here ,,waiting for the si,,,when it arrives
there will be a type R already?
@@davidpistek6241 Respect brother. Those SI are beautiful as well.👍🏼
@James Jamess Very curious about how the SI is going to look as well. Sadly I cannot afford one... yet.
@@zupinu2000 Thanks for the GREAT question👍🏼. Most likely, but as usual, Honda is going to hold it, most likely for 6 LONG months or at a least after they release the SI model. I hate that game, but I guess is a good marketing strategy type of thing for them. 🤷🏻♂️
If I can remove the 2022 giant center console, which crushes the knees of my 6"5" frame, and insert the tiny, low profile console of my 1999 Civic EX, I'm sold. I'd like to meet the person who decided we only need a knee-box xy inches wide and everyone else must suffer. Because we could figure this out 20+ years ago with minimalist consoles that still held two drinks and a phone...
My dad actually got the dealer to saw aff a portion of the center console of his Toyota Innova.
Just ask nicely bro, they'll do it for you
I think you should be looking at a different size car. I’ll tell you what... the most comfortable “car” I’ve ever driven is actually a truck. I’m 6’3, some small cars I can fit in but for the longer rides are not comfortable. My 2003 Silverado is super comfy, my 2010 grand marquis is aswell but the dash feels to close. The 2009 Mercedes C300 is actually good but on those 3-4 hour rides to Vegas it starts to suck towards the end. It just sucks having big legs lol. My buddy had the new Supra at his shop, I didn’t even bother trying to imagine trying to squeeze in that thing.
The low profile part makes the most difference in this case because the hip room is 4.3” wider in the 2022 than the 1999. Of course, you were rubbing elbows with your passenger then, and no Twinkie storage either.
"I like the old one better" - every Honda and BMW fan when a new model comes out.
American Manufacturers: we can build a safe reliable fuel efficient subcompact sedan or coupe with low maintenance costs
American Consumer: no thanks, I want a the oversized soccer mom rig
American manufacturers can make those?
@@debrisbit civic is manufactured in America is it not
@@redwineisfine Yeah, you're right. My bad. I thought mainly of american branded cars when you said american manufacturers.
@@debrisbit i should have been more descriptive, I apologize for my wording. My close circle refuses to buy anything non American made, and they can't comprehend that honda is more American made than gm ...
Have a super awesome day 😎
@@redwineisfine well the asian brands dont have the overhead detroit does with unionized labor. Same for Tesla. I find it surprising the big 3 have stayed in business.
"everything works the way it's supposed to" - Jack H.
pretty much sums it up
Very happy to hear they will offer a manual hatch. For me, that saves some spirit of the Civic.
I like the way this car looks Otherwise it seems like just a very good, if large, appliance.
Edit: Also glad to hear the Si and Type R are coming. I was worried both had been discontinued.
I am giving a like for Jack this time. He's more professional than he used to be.
I wonder why American companies can't make basic cars that can last for 10 years like this
They could but then no one would buy new cars from them for 10 years. And since basically only the North America buys US cars...yeah...you see the problem.
domestic brands will never die since they always make deals with government/rental fleets, if they wanna get rid of the unsold cars, they just make a huge sale with $0 down and 0% interest, resale value is non-existent, basically disposable cars...
@@kpokfposkf What you actually meant to say was they will never die because they get bailed out by the government, right?
@@m00hk00h basically yea, but GM (Buick) is also tremendously popular in China. Many brands have started gaining traction on sales in other countries, it’s really hard for a corp to just go insolvent overnight lol
@@m00hk00h for a Corp like GM, it comes down to how to expand with their asset and cash globally, but not how to improve products they actually sell lol 😂
Correction for you: the 2022 Civic Sedan does not offer a manual transmission at any trim level; sport and up get paddle shifters for faux-manual driving. The 2022 Hatchback, however, will apparently have some flavor of manual available, and the Si/Type R trims will feature manual exclusively. Which is good, because my lord does Honda make a nice manual transmission.
It's nice to know the Japanese can actually learn from their mistakes. Especially when you consider how dreadful the ninth generation civic was
The ninth-generation hatchback was OK, actually very good even -- every bit the match for a Mk7 Golf with the Civic having lots of insulation & refined touches together with the magic seats. The FK2 Civic Type R is my favourite turbo Type R, I like the smoother lines compared to the FK8, plus the two-tier dash and the physical LED shift lights. It was just the sedan which received the cost-cutting.
They learned from their mistakes by taking the design away from the American office lol.
I love the toned down exterior and thank goodness for real buttons and knobs.
Manual transmission please Honda. The CVT is like a pacemaker. I remember when Honda’s were fun to drive.
The hatchback is gonna be manual.
I’d rather get an auto than a CVT transmission
Can't wait to see how the Si and Type R turn out with how well the regular versions are being reviewed.
Many manufacturers now prioritise form over function, they've all gone crazy. No point in getting their cars any more.
Volvo is just about to loose the plot with their designs, trying to recreate Tesla interiours while being on nose candy. I'm starting to like what Honda, Toyota, Mazda and Kia are doing with their designs, so likely I'll have to get one of their cars in the next few years.
Kinda funny. Volvo and Eastern asian brans always keep going in 20 year cycles. Who knows, maybe in another 30 years volvo will start making good designs and time will come for the Eastern asian companies to start making themselves unapealing again.
Most new cars are what they are and tending towards mazda or Tesla. In terms of design they are the leader. Doesn't necessarily mean they have the best factories or sell the most. But they pull the designers. Glad Honda is moving away from the split level dash.
Loose the plot? Is it too tight?
@@noobasdfjkl autocorrect changed it from lose to loose... But they've completely walked back on what was important in their designs. For the last 40 years it has been a family car, loads of boot space, very ruggid durability and practical parts that shouldn't cost an arm and a leg to replace. Their newest concepts have none of that. Completely turned their backs on existing customers, at least the ones who look for a car that can do everything, from traveling across a continent with ease, going offroading and driving the kids to school.
i've sat in a C300 wagon, the V90s, the V60s, a UX250h and a CX-30. and i liked the CX-30 the most. it's roomier than the 250h, it's easier to use than the C300, and the bose sound system is indistinguishable to my ear from the B&W in the volvos... but mazda doesn't spec the CX-30 all that well. at least not in canada, there's no 360 cam, on a car with horrible blind spots (and mazda loves their thick rear pillars for some dumb reason). and they don't even include roof siderails from the factory, on a CUV. the asians just don't do low rooflines and big space, in north america.
I'm waiting to see what the 2022 brings, but right now, the value per dollar (and sheer interior space) of a CPO V90/V90CC is worth the infotainment. but if honda or mazda brought over a wagon? especially if honda made a hybrid accord wagon? i'd buy that in a heart beat. a camry/avalon wagon, i'd be too worried toyota would do what they're doing in the venza, capacitative touch "buttons" and touch screen infotainment... i like the volvos more than i like that nonsense.
@@Cal94 We looked at the Cx-30 and noticed the rear seat is useless. I am 6'3" and my friend buying is 5'6" and found it tiny.
Honda are the People's champion they must listen to their customers as you said they've dulled the exterior down but so looking forward to the sport and a Type R, the interior looks looks interesting again and like my fn2 type R it should be a nice place to be in. This is the Accord that we lost in Europe thank god we're actually getting this one, Civic love😍👊
It isn't as 'edgy' on the outside, but I passed one the other day. Looks more 'interesting' in person.
I'm driving this as a lease and after around 700 miles it's been a joy. It handles well and with the 1.5T CVT it is incredibly smooth. The ride is soft and the controls are excellent. It feels sporty but not harsh. So far I would really recommend this.
I test drove this car last week and enjoyed it. Any criticism or issues you've noticed so far?
@@Gabriel-xg5yo the head unit lags for a minute or two after startup if you try to use Wireless CarPlay immediately but other than that it's great
How does the seats feel on a long road trip? Some reviewers say they get a sore butt after about an hour of driving.
@@jaysson1151 I’ve driven for 5 hours straight in it and my butt did end up hurting, but I think that’ll be the case for most cars in this price range after that long.
Honda is # 1
Great, only one problem for me. CVT. Why they are putting such a trash into these cars, when there are a great conventional cheap automatics like 8-speed ZF.
As he said it's presumably because of gas mileage and the CVT is smoother than the DSG/DCT and won't get jerky like ZF, so it fits better in a daily driver.
8-speed ZF is for rear wheel drive cars, Acura had a LOT of problems with the 9-speed ZF for front wheel cars. Besides, Honda have their own 8-speed dual-clutch and 10-speed auto as the more expensive gearboxes for the Acura models. The CVT is used in the lower-priced Civic since it costs less to make.
Nah, I don't like the interior. Don't get me wrong: I admit it's practical and I also prefer physical controls over this finger-print madness. But still... it's not attractive. I hate that sticking out screen. And no manual gearbox on sedan? Big no for me! The outside however grew on me. At first I thought it was dull, but actually it's just mature and quite inoffensive. That's all.
as a current owner of a 10th gen Civic, this 11th generation really improves in most areas. It’s another step upmarket. If Honda were further ahead with their electrification I would absolutely buy this Civic however, I live in Iceland where you can effectively only buy hybrid and full electric cars, so I have probably already bought my last Honda.
If I end up in a Tesla or something similar, I will miss the ergonomics, the physical controls that Honda do so well.
Hail Iceland 🇮🇸!!! What an Awesome country and cheers to you bro!!! Everyone should go and visit.
If you care about fit and finish, don’t get a Tesla. Look up Car Craft Auto Detailing on YT and see his inspection of a Model 3. Total horseshit quality compared to even…a Nissan. Honda won’t disappoint you in any manner similar to the aforementioned.
Half a million before the next video! Savage is starting to get his fair share of viewers. A cameo of Scott and Todd would be nice.
People hate Turbowski too much IMO
@@WhiteLivesMatterPL people are snowflakes
@@wigletron2846 he's an asshole, but I find him funny
@@WhiteLivesMatterPL me too. Because I had a mechanic friend that was just as cynical and jaded as turbowski was. Plus car makers need to be called out for the bs they put in cars nowadays
This Civic is good looking if you ask me. I would like to drive one when the SI and Type - R models come out. Thank you gentleman.
These honestly look perfectly fine in person. I've seen a couple since they've started to go on sale in my area. Both black. I like these more than the freakish design of the prior. It's refreshing to see a Honda with a DIFFERENT face on it, period. Every single model besides this one wears the same front end and it's not even a good looking front end 🤣
Interior blows the old out of the water
Are you kidding?? The front end on this civic is a dead ringer of the accord!!
@@johnfranklin5277 it's just not but some people just can't see stuff like that. I guess.
I once had my buddy with me at a Nissan dealership and I was pointing at a 2018 Nissan Maxima and a 2018 Nissan Altima side by side, both were facing us, and he said they look the same.
The Accord front end looks far busier than the Civic to me.
Now if you said the side profile, I'd agree with you. From the side they look practically identical
I'm glad you guys mentioned this is just your normal everyday car, wasn't meant to be a super fast sports car. Seems like every other car reviewer says "its not as fast as a lambo, but I'll give it a pass" like no sh*t sherlock lol
Seriously not everyone is looking for a speed demon, some just want good mpgs 😂
Does anyone know if Savagegeese creates with Dell technologies? I was curious if he was partners with Dell.
He does. Says in the beginning of his videos.
The intros have gotten so romantic! I almost opened a bottle of wine and lit a candle. I should invite Gretchen over.
CVT is just crap. It lags and feels like a rubber band. 1.4L turbo is crap because it's direct injection only, and unless it's driven with balls spun out of it all the time, valves, EGR, turbo, and cat will get plugged up by carbon.
2.0L multi-point fuel injection with a manual transmission would work just fine though.
manual isnt luxury....ppl want auto, comfort so manual wouldnt work here, like he said this isnt about performance its about comfort.
they are worlds better now than the one in my family's 2011 Legacy
@@papa_pt I see 15+ year old Toyota's and Subaru's one the road all the time, not too many Honda's though.
@@Scypher0th CVT is not about comfort, it's all about cost cutting. Every CVT I drove is crap. Nissan's Jetco is specifically crap that falls apart. 8-speed autos are the best, but they cost more, weigh more.
@@BigSmartArmed I don't think there's a lot of truth to that besides anecdotally. I noticed there are a lot more 90s Japanese cars running around in the south than north since a lot of them were susceptible to rust. Mechanically old Hondas are a fair bit more reliable than subies
Your reviews are comprehensive, realistic and unbiased. Thank you!
An appliance vehicle for the masses, at an entry level price point that will fit in a modest family monthly budget. It's a Honda and they will sell all they make.
What will those buy that don’t belong to the masses? My wealthy best friend just bought a Volvo S90 Recharge Inscription- it was about $60k. And me, well I’m part of the masses and leased a new Mazda CX-5 Turbo w/AWD. My other best friend who is a doctor now picked up a 2 year old Range Rover.
@Kody C Type R
….aluminum hood, composite rear deck, aluminum front sub frame, etc…..and it’s like 100 pounds heavier than the 10th Gen. I mean, I’m craving these items for my ‘16 lx coupe. Might even be worth a few grand, (probably more) to lighten the load.
Why even bother spending that much? Because the 10th and 11th have same k20c2, and almost identical 1.5 , but I’d be 250 pounds lighter.
Despite Honda industry-leading use of materials and chassis rigidity, the 11gen is the most massive civic ever. The major engine and aero and NVH improvements were developed for/from the 10th gen.
….and looking, comparing the 10th and 11th dash/center console. The touch screen, stretching above the dash like so many others, that made SG list of “worst automotive trends” seems like a giant leap backwards for all mankind. Yeah, I saw the neat honeycomb dash, for a minute.
It's funny. I bought the sport a few weeks ago and still watched this video.
That is funny!
Turbo 1.5L?
@@thetreblerebel yes 1.5l. So far so good
I mean I just bought a touring last week so I was hoping to see something I haven't discovered yet.
@@ps3beatswii it has some tricks up it’s sleeve. Especially if you get locked out
A 4 door Civic Si hatchback will be a really good choice for small families that wants that sporty feeling without loosing the practical characteristics of the car. Honestly this sedan will aged very well.
This is something I can see myself buying. I’d love a hatchback with the top trim and a 6MT. Hopefully, this can be configured.
Think mt is only offered in the Sport Trim. Check the Mazda 3. MT is only in top trim for that car.
This new Civic takes the crown for me in this class. With the MK7 Golf, I preferred it over the 10th gen Civic due to looks and I absolutely loved the interior of the Golf. But they significantly cut costs on the new Golf, plus we’re not getting the regular version in the US. I cannot applaud Honda enough for this interior. While some manufacturers are moving to touch capacitive buttons which are terrible to use (very distracting while driving), Honda buttoned down and took care of the important aspects. I personally can’t wait to drive the hatch with a 2.0 and the manual. The Si and Type R will be great as well. Excellent video!!
Same issue in corolla . Sound deadening/under body panels are missing In SE trim while xse has them and no where in spec sheet it tells you that .
It's crazy they think people either won't notice or don't care. The lack of sound proofing is the only thing I don't like about my 2011 Civic Coupe.
@@JB-kz4hi same i hate road noise. I want nothing, no heated seats, no sunroof, no leather. I just want quite car . Now i am wondering if camry LE is also missing sounding deadening compared to xle or xse . Or accord lx vs ex etc
Hatchback, manual , 2.0 for me...cvt and turbocharged meh...
So I guess Honda is getting rid of the base accord? Because it literally is lol.
I thought it looks like a small Accord too, I'm pretty sure Accord still has better NVH, plus some people just want a bigger car.
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For cars like this, I feel like real-world mpg would be really useful information to include in your reviews. Sometimes it's not even close to the EPA numbers, especially the highway numbers since I think they still only test at 55 mph. Better fuel economy is probably the biggest reason why people should buy this over, for example, the HR-V for the same money (since the average customer doesn't care so much about driving dynamics), but it's something you rarely talk about.
I get a feeling it's a hard figure for them to provide as they admit driving like jackasses, leading to inconsistent comparisons. There are other channels out there that do this in a more controlled manner.
He does talk about it in some videos. I think it’s a fair point, but I recall another video where he said even driving like a jackass he got something like 30 mpg (forget the car atm).
This channel is very clearly focused at enthusiasts, and cover cars that apply to people at different stages of their lives. That being said, fuel economy isn’t unimportant, but the dynamics, serviceability, engine options etc are a lot more on the mind of the target viewer.
It actually does very good even street use . Im getting a 36mpg combined
Check out Daily Motor. They do a full 100 mile mpg loop. Their attention to detail in effort to make every test as consistent as possible is spot on.
I was struck by the title of this video. As I've watched/read reviews of the new Civic it occurred to me that self-styled "enthusiasts" underestimate the challenge of designing a car like this. Especially if it's to be sold in a variety of national markets, some with consumers obsessed with SUVs and others where a sedan is still a family's default choice.
First and foremost it has to be affordable with an MSRP that tops out around $30K and with operating costs that won't put a serious dent in the monthly budget. It has to be an accommodating daily driver as well as longer distance road "tripper" with room for four (or in a pinch five) passengers and their luggage/gear. Not likely to be leased and discarded after 3 years, it should look good (not out of date) and run well six or more years down the road, retaining as much value as possible when it is replaced.
If a consumer's politics or economics make fuel economy the most important priority a hybrid, PHEV, or an EV version may be a worthwhile option but even the much larger group of consumers who still opt a conventional ICE vehicle may find that big large figure on a window sticker to be a critical factor in a showroom. A one or two mpg advantage may not pencil out as a big savings but it still matters, especially to those who find arithmetic a challenge. That makes an automaker's selection of a CVT for vehicles in this category understandable, especially if its is relatively transparent. Most consumers won't care whether it's a CVT, a torque converter, or a dual clutch transmission as long as they don't have to deal with three pedals.
Stop light drag races, much less track performance, don't matter to potential customers of these vehicles, either. But "peppy" performance, especially for passing is. Acceleration from 0-60 mph is far less crucial than from 50 to 70 mph. What does matter are driver assistance and safety aids, especially if combined with digital eye candy. If cost cutting is required in less noticeable areas or such amenities are used to tempt customers to select a higher trim, that's OK as long as the MSRP doesn't seriously exceed the $30K ceiling.
Put it all together and the new Civic sedan is a very strong entry and a notable accomplishment in this vehicle category. The exterior styling is more "conservative" than the last generation. It will age well, I think, and that makes it appealing both to new car buyers and likely in terms of resale value down the line. For fuel misers, the base engine exceeds the magic 40 mpg bar (highway) and the more powerful 1.5L turbo in the Touring trim is no slouch at 38 mpg. Interior space is especially generous both in the back seat and in the trunk. All in all, the interior is strikingly upscale with a minimalist vibe. The entire sedan market segment (all sizes) is shrinking, especially in North America, but the Civic looks well positioned to fight off rivals from Korea and elsewhere.
Great post but Hondas are overpriced due to zero dealer discounts. Zero manufacturer cash rebates and zero dealer discounts. Plus they force you to pay dealer markup and for dealer installed accessories. I would much rather buy the 2022 Corolla.
@@braetonwilson4296 Different strokes for different folks but if you're correct that Toyota offers rebates and dealer discounts that aren't available for the Civic the reason is simple -- the greater popularity of the Honda. It's very difficult to escape the iron law of supply and demand.
@@stephenhendricks103 Corolla is the best selling car in the world, not the Civic. Honda is losing sales due to greedy dealers and overpriced cars.
Honda's can be world beaters with the inside and being user friendly with it's interior controls. I just can't get past the looks, to me, it just doesn't look very good.
exactly, at least the looks of the forthcoming hatch bodes well.
I miss Savagegeese of old, this new(er) format with Jack is dry and without flair.
Tried and true 1.5 litre turbo ... with or without oil dilution ?
Best car review channel and only one I trust especially only one to have any of these cars on a lift.
Really love this redesign. A lot of people hate the exterior look but I don’t think it’s that bad and the new interior is much improved. Good work Honda.
Quite literally hit the nail on the head with this one. I bought a 2022 civic touring 3 weeks ago and really like the car. Everything you guys have mentioned is why I ended up buying it. The main point being that it doesn’t feel like a piece of shit.
Well... That's a plus? LOL!
So let me get this straight, the 1.5t civic starts at 24700. A camry/accord with similar/better power, and better transmissions starts at about the same price...
You can't tell me that this isnt inflation when I walked out paying 24k OTD for a 2019 camry XSE...NEW
EDIT: Jack said "I don't see a reason for a honda accord". I do! Because for the price of a touring civic I can get an accord sport FFS. How hard is this to understand for car reviewers that cars aren't in a vacuum, they are being cross shopped and compared. What the actual F jack? Don't tell me that you would actually pay 28k for a civic?
You got a much better car.
Yes there is inflation. A lot. This last year and a half has been an economical disaster, worldwide. Overall politics have also become a lot worse, now that govt got an excuse to control people more and we kinda got more used to it. And inflation, as always, hits a lot more lower and middle classes than upper classes because the lower you are economically, the more you rely on the salary you get which is in currency, rather than having your net worth (if you even have any) in appreciating assets like stocks, real estate, etc...
The federal reserve and federal government thought they could print money with no negative consequences. They were wrong.
It is mentioned in the review, repeatedly, that this Civic - "at least, the Touring model" - is quiet. But now that many have bought this Civic Touring, I'm seeing references to loud cabin/road noise. Some have swapped tires for supposedly-quieter models, to little avail. I'm wondering if there's a remedy, without removing seats and carpeting to apply more insulation, or the silly idea of blasting the sound system to camouflage the noise (or buying a Mazda 3 instead)?
man this channel's quality is AAAA+ damn..... peace !
A much more mature styled car , more sophisticated inside, practical and efficient. But this is the top level trim - lets see a review on a base model.
A pillars look pleasingly thin.
Just bought a 22' Civic myself. The A pillars and low dash remind me of late 80s early 90s Honda.
I can't wait till you get the 2.0 n/a motor. Obviously it won't be the traditional Honda engine we love but it would be interesting to see nonetheless
Looks so geriatric, bland, but also some awful exterior proportions.
ikr...? think Subaru Legacy Sedan. bland AF.
@@phillyphil1513 kinda. This new civic is far less attractive than even that white bread.
It looks like they went back a generation. Less futuristic than the previous model. It’s simple though.
Sometimes less is more. Sometimes people acknowledge their mistakes and say “never mind..”
Glad the over-stylized, pseudo-aggressive anime shit is slowly falling out of style