i have the tcr and the 2024 propel advanced pro 0. (this is just coming from my experience) I'd love to say the propel is an all rounder and for the most part, sure it can be and for most people it will be an all rounder for sure. However when i'm climbing, the tcr just feels more light and alive whereas the propel is not far off in terms of feeling, kinda feels a bit lifeless. This is the only thing that lacks with the propel. Like i said its still a great bike for climbing, but up against an actual climbing bike is where it lacks. In terms of everything else though, the propel wins. Flats, descents, etc. I'm keeping both. Both great bikes
There's no perfect bike. Tcr were built for climbing, Propel was built with a mindset to be an all-rounder bike. The Propel might not be as good and the Tcr in climbing but it makes up for hit on the flat ground. You can't get the best of both worlds, there is no such thing.
Other bikes/frames I considered: 1. Factor Ostro VAM - I love that they only offer a single SLR tier frameset, and I LOVE their color options. But $5500 frame only was too expensive. Most likely next Summer. 2. Canyon Aeroad - No frame only options. I already have wheels and groupset. 3. Tarmac SL8 - While I can probably get a discount locally, Specialized in general is extremely popular here in Chicago. I wanted to be different.
maybe someone else mentioned but I cant read all these comments, but just a small thing I noticed that you could change is the stem spacer with the little relief cutout is meant to be at the top of the stack so as to give the cables a little more room to make the bend down into the headtube
Congratulations, fantastic build very competent presented and an awesome looking Giant Propel. I ride a Propel Advanced 1 from 2023 myself. Negotiated some upgrades with my local dealer with moderate price surcharge (SLR 1 Carbon wheels, SLR Aero stem and handlebar). Love the bike and how it looks, has still good comfort/compliance for an aero bike. Esp. on the flats the Propel is super fast.
That is an amazing looking bike, nice choice 👌 cool to see you riding a nice bike, it'll give some great context for reviews of other bikes as well as a good platform for comparing different wheels.
Niiice...your bike collection is getting better and better..i just got rid of my 2022 s-works tarmac sl7 for a 2023/24 trek madone SLR gen7..I loved the tarmac but after 40 to 50 miles it would beat me up..the trek madone is alot smoother and comfortable..i wanted to be able to keep the speed but ride longer and be more comfortable..
@PatrickLino I wish I could find a Giant propel in NY...you're ahead of the game..those prime bars are amazing..I had them on my 2021 cervelo caledonia 5..
Super cool and thorough review mate. As a fellow Chicagoan, suburbs, I just scored a Cervelo R5 Force AXS with PM. Love that Giant but was looking more for a traditional frame. And yes , it's getting cold so I'll be lucky if I get a month or so out of riding it outside
Is a beautiful bike! I think the word you were looking for was vibration damping. Not as sexy a word as compliance but when your vibrating, your wheels loose contact on the road. Soooo, slower. And i totally agree with you. Do a TIME review. Not many doing them and the company is fixing to blow up i think
Valuable review, especially your approach building low price Chinese options which as you described puts this more expensively engineered bike in perspective. For future reviews, perhaps find other lesser known builders from Asia, South America and Europe?
@@PatrickLino Saw an aero Tavelo branded frame on a Panda Podium IG reel. Can’t find any info on this bike. Maybe it’s an PRC or Taiwan OEM rebadge. Portugal has emerged as a lower cost manufacturing center for European bike brands. But no idea if Portuguese manufacturers distribute to North America.
Man, your audio’s a wee bit distorted for the first segment. Not sure if it’s your mic or what. But after that you’re back to the high production values that you always achieve! Congrats on the bike, it looks amazing!
This review is excellent. Although testing not scientific it is clear there is great understanding of different bikes and how they run. You are clear about it too. Like how you broke down the difference in refinement between a Propel and Winspace T1500. Best value performance purchase there is? Yet with some compliance too?Like how you spoke about your feelings too. Often reviewers go round that yet it’s normally a driving factor in choice…
Lover this bike!, I'm new to the world of cycling and Giant Propel Adv 2 is so good, fell in love with cycling bcs of this, for new cyclist like me don't worry this bike is super comfy and so fast.
Which of my bikes is the "fastest"? - Sadly I just don't have the time and resources to perform a true scientific speed test. Plus there are too many variables. Yes the Giant Propel is the fastest. It better be given the price. But truthfully even if it wasn't any faster than my other bikes the frame feedback, control, and ride quality are the worth the price. And quite frankly those are tangible aspects which would theoretically make you faster.
honestly i think fastest should just be measured in responsiveness and raw sprinting ability. i went from a specialized allez sprint (the model before yours) to a trek madone slr (the 2019 iso speed). the madone is lighter, more comfortable, more aero in a straight line but it's average getting it up to speed and doesn't hold a candle to the allez sprint when sprinting. for most of us i think the get up and go probably ends up being more important than the pure aero?
This is the first review of bike frames that I actually believe. I was thinking about cheaping out and do a budget build. Instead I will save money and buy a used top tier brand name bike.
I want to come to your house, lock you in your bathroom, and rewrap your bar tape, and leave ...and probably grab an italian beef somewhere, since they are no good in TX.😆😆🤣
I rewrapped my bar tape about 4 times, and determined it's the shape and curvature of this particular handlebar that causes the wrap to look janky 😭- Haven't had this problem on any other handlebar.
Love the Giant brand...very underrated! been looking at the propel...my next bike most likely....between the TCR! So you're running tubeless with inserts correct? great video and thanks for sharing! Awesome looking machine!
Nice Bike🎉❤ Mine is 2023 Propel Advanced 1, Upgrade some components, such as SRAM RED Power Meyer, CS BB, CADEX 50 Ultra wheel🛞， Shimano/ Pro Vibe One Piece handle bar ! Giant, Taiwan , made in my country 🥹😎🚴♂️
I'm buying same model and also considering upgrading the WS from SLR1 to CADEX 50 ultra , what do you think about this performance wise and also how is it with cross-wind?
I really enjoyed your video. One thing Giant does offer over other bike manufacturers is high value for the cost. What are the advantages of TPU tubes over Latex?
Go to 9:32 : spot on. As much as I love cheap frames, they are far from this one. By the way, this is one of the nicest set up of Propel in youtube aesthetically 👍
I was tested giant propel and merida reacto. Must say giant is so good but merida at the way better than. They stiff they have more control and very smoth when you dancing, every action just more details and that make your feel much more than. With merida you can truly feel the surface of tarmac but very refine that feel, giant just make everything soft and when you put the same of power merida just feel more connect with the tarmac. 😊
Great clip. However for the speed comparison , the handle bar width differences, will explain the giant being faster. You are more aero with the 38 width Vs the others with wider handlebars
I didn't wanna make the video 40 minutes long, explaining every nuance of the bike, testing, etc. Most people can't even handle an 18 minute video and it would be quite boring.
Man that's a great question. It's a toss up between my current Allez Sprint and the Yishun R086-D. The Allez is responsive, super easy to work on, and comfortable (for an alloy frame) when set up correctly. Feels bulletproof because it's kinda heavy. The Yishun is much lighter, quite stiff, a fantastic value, but still suffers from minor harshness that comes with "cheap" Chinese frames. In a life or death situation I'd choose the Allez Sprint, but I also need to recoup some funds which the resell value of the Allez would help. Cheap Chinese frames have practically no value on the 2nd hand market.
@@PatrickLino Can you describe what you mean by harshness of the chinese frames? It is hard to quantify what you mean by that. Right now, to me, harshness suggests that the frame feels less comfortable and stiffer. Is this a correct assumption? Cheap carbon frames tend to be worse in regards to torsion stiffness compared to premium frames, what is your opinion on that? All in all great video, the Giant Propel was on my wish list aswell and I'm glad that you got one.
@@MDZPNMD Cheaper bikes use cheaper grades of carbon to keep the price down. Cheap carbon can be made super stiff, but my assumption is it won't have the properties and characteristics to dampen road vibrations like higher grade carbon. And it will be heavier. Obviously you can't cheat physics. What I think Giant (and other main brands) are doing is paying attention to the carbon layup in areas of the frame to have a good balance of stiffness (bottom bracket/fork) while offering comfort (seatpost and top tube.) Cheap bikes have a tendency to be harsher (how it interacts with bad pavement) because there really isn't much care given to carbon layup. Also, every single frame across the size chart requires its own rear triangle dimensions to balance out the frame size and riding characteristics. I heard this tooling is very expensive. This is why cheap frames essentially use the same rear triangle size and shape regardless of size.
Please get someone to wrap your handlebar!! I love the build and think it looks amazing but the handlebar wrap is horrible. Also i want to ask if you recomend any cheap/chines narrow aero handlebars.
I rewrapped my bar tape about 4 times, and determined it's the shape and curvature of this particular handlebar that causes the wrap to look janky 😭- Haven't had this problem on any other handlebar.
I just bought a LOOK 795 Blade RS Ultegra White. I think I’m the only one in NE Ohio that has this bike. LOOK might be making a comeback in the future. They were one of the premier bikes in the 80’s-90’s. Interesting what your opinion would be. Thanks.
The reason why the propel is more comfortable in the rear is due to the sloping top tube, thinner seat post and more relaxed set post angle, not necessarily the lay up. With the spacers under your stem and the 140mm stem why didn't you go up a size, lose the spacers and had a better handling length stem?
@@jordanmann7370 You must be new here, and I will forgive you. Watch my previous bike builds and you will understand. Otherwise go watch GCN or something like that.
@PatrickLino wow ok, GCN would never be a recommendation with regards to bike fitting. I just twitch when I hear RUclipsrs talk about TT and stem length when picking a frame when so many things impact a TT length and have little baring on position. Ie seat tube angle and head tube height dramatically impact tt length. My tcr was a 55 tt and my t1550 is 51 with the same reach.
@@jordanmann7370 I run a slammed 140mm -12 stem stem on my Allez Sprint size 56. And yet the Allez Sprint frameset is both longer reach and lower stack than my Giant Propel in the same size. My bike current fit (which was confirmed by my professional bike fitter) requires a lot of reach and a short stack. Very long arms for my height. What works for me may not work for you. And that's cool. My bike fit doesn't work for most people except maybe professional riders, although I am anything but pro.
I wish you spoke more about how the Propel climbs. I want to get one but I need my new bike (whichever one I get) to be a really good climber. The TCR I know is better but it has the cables hanging out and I just dont like that look. So, this is the next best option. But I am a little afraid it might make those steep sections that are usually at the end of the climbs harder for me. I am sure it is fine for the short steep sections. Hopefully in the near future you will talk more about how it compares to other bikes on the climbs.
If I talked about how the Propel climbs while currently living in a completely flat city like Chicago, I would get crucified. So really it's a lose lose for me either way. Get the SLR version of the Propel if climbing that important to you. Or an SL8 🤣
@@PatrickLino ,..Yeah, I get it. Anyway, the SLR is too expensive and I wont buy a specialized. I think the Propel AP frame is about the only one I can afford that is at this level. Have you heard anything about a new Trek Emonda? That could be just the ticket. Thanks for your response, I appreciate it.
@@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed My first bike ever was a Trek Emonda back in 2015. I would probably get the SLR Emonda version if were to buy Trek again. But I think Trek has fallen out of favor for the more youthful crowd.
I ride it since the begenning of the year, I live in the french Alps, appart from the weight penalty (of course) I do prefer the feeling of the new propel rather than the disc TCR, really lively when you go up on the pedals and not so rigid on the saddle, really comfortable for a race bike. I've done some open race in mountain (equivalent of the etape du tour) and did some top 10 overall with it so I guess it does climb pretty well ^^
What’s up big Bro! Always a fan of the channel, *TeamPatty for sure!! I’ve been waiting on this Video. I had a specific question, which you did answer. It was regarding the bike as a whole. A big name brand versus a cheap Chinese bike, is there a difference. YES!! I got a lot negative feedback when I talked about my Elves bike and why I sold it so quick. For the money, a Chinese bike is solid but it isn’t a big name brand bike and you can feel it immediately when riding. Anyways, love the build! I kinda like the Hypers on it a lil better. Jus had that “I wanna go fast theme, 💨” 😆 #RobbArmstrong
Silca recommends for me 71 psi. You need to provide overall system weight not just rider weight. I prefer road feedback over absolute comfort, even if it is marginally faster. And I would not dare sprinting at 65 psi for myself LoL.
How was the fit and finish of the frameset? Any issues with over spray on brake caliper mounting surface, headset suraces and bb surfaces well finished?
I wear exclusively Monton Sports, which I have a 15% off code in the video description. Shades, jerseys, bibs, socks, even in the photos, are from Monton Sports ❤️
38cm drop width for your build? do you feel a bit cramped or suffocate while on drop? i am using 44cm thinking of getting myself a 42 but i am stocky build.. i am drooling nevertheless
It’s not just the reach but also the stack height to consider. The stack height of the large is too tall. And I’m basically running a slammed stem on the M/L.
I have the propel advance 1. I like soo much how looks, but i wish can put a integrated handlebar and stem, do you know if some brand have a cockpit copatible?
@@PatrickLino I need replace my stem because is small, so, if I will spend money, I prefer search a cockpit 600-700 USD. I think 400 usd only for the steam it's expensive
@@PatrickLino I think it was called Velobuild 2019 model. Cracks in the pavement, rough pavement, small potholes…. I cringe. Vertical stiffness. I been playing around with tire pressure to get a better ride Like your video said open mold frames are not the same frames minus name brand’s logo. Which I knew that going in. Overall I’m happy with it.
Buy a GIORDANO® LIBERO ROAD BIKE when its on sale and do a review. I thought it was a really great deal at $250 but even a novice i can see the shortcomings
Though, it's very unlikely the new frame is faster. According to Giant, and this is their official number, the new complete bike with their new Cadex wheel+the oval shaped tyres they save 6.21 watts from the previous generation's Propel. At the same time, and this is also according to Giant themselves, the combination of the new Cadex wheel+the new tyre itself saves 7.2 watts. So infact the frame itself is slower due to a design that's more "all-rounder" oriented features.... Anyway, I was never really interested in seeing accuracy of these tests without a proper measurement of airspeed and temperature normalized setting.
What premium bike should I purchase and review next? 🤣
Cola go v4rs, now you won’t have a home 😂😂😂😂😂
@@LittleBU96 My buddy 10 minutes from me has a brand new one for sale haha
Aethos 🚴♀️✨✨
@@kawabus Ohhh an Aethos sounds pretty tasty...
Yeah try aethos
i have the tcr and the 2024 propel advanced pro 0. (this is just coming from my experience) I'd love to say the propel is an all rounder and for the most part, sure it can be and for most people it will be an all rounder for sure. However when i'm climbing, the tcr just feels more light and alive whereas the propel is not far off in terms of feeling, kinda feels a bit lifeless. This is the only thing that lacks with the propel. Like i said its still a great bike for climbing, but up against an actual climbing bike is where it lacks. In terms of everything else though, the propel wins. Flats, descents, etc. I'm keeping both. Both great bikes
There's no perfect bike. Tcr were built for climbing, Propel was built with a mindset to be an all-rounder bike. The Propel might not be as good and the Tcr in climbing but it makes up for hit on the flat ground. You can't get the best of both worlds, there is no such thing.
Other bikes/frames I considered: 1. Factor Ostro VAM - I love that they only offer a single SLR tier frameset, and I LOVE their color options. But $5500 frame only was too expensive. Most likely next Summer.
2. Canyon Aeroad - No frame only options. I already have wheels and groupset.
3. Tarmac SL8 - While I can probably get a discount locally, Specialized in general is extremely popular here in Chicago. I wanted to be different.
Factor ostro is such a beautiful frame and every single one of their colors are bangers. Building up a ostro rn
@@jadenngl Dang! Send a photo to my IG when finished!
@@PatrickLino Will do
I am currently running a ribble ultra SL R and it is amazing. Literally almost no one in the US has one...which is also a plus.
@@roadcyclist1 How much was it??
One of the best looking Propel I’ve seen. Good job
That means a lot thanks Samuel! 🔥
@@PatrickLinothat was an inspiration really. Ordered the same color! Keep it up Pat!
maybe someone else mentioned but I cant read all these comments, but just a small thing I noticed that you could change is the stem spacer with the little relief cutout is meant to be at the top of the stack so as to give the cables a little more room to make the bend down into the headtube
Ahhhh I have the spacers in reverse order. Makes sense, thank you!
No problem, I work for a Giant dealer and yours isn't the first one I've seen backwards.
Congratulations! I love this. It is way beyond new bike day and I am glad you got your dream bike! Ride it in good health Bro❤
Thanks Luis! Always means a lot coming from you. Ride safe this weekend!
Nice rig! Thanks for the review! As for the rear light, the Giant TL100 rear light can use a a saddle rail mount, really neat...
Whaaaat!? I didn't know this. Thank you!
This review is definitely up there. Glad this bike is everything you hoped it would be!
Thanks!
Got an opportunity to buy a frame only from 2020 but figured that could make things a little awkward ha.
@@whitebeardcycles And now you've learned a valuable lesson as to why you should never be exclusively loyal to any brand.
Not exclusive, things on the horizon.
The detail you give is really helpful. Thank you.
Thanks Victoria!
Congratulations, fantastic build very competent presented and an awesome looking Giant Propel. I ride a Propel Advanced 1 from 2023 myself. Negotiated some upgrades with my local dealer with moderate price surcharge (SLR 1 Carbon wheels, SLR Aero stem and handlebar). Love the bike and how it looks, has still good comfort/compliance for an aero bike. Esp. on the flats the Propel is super fast.
Happy to hear! Great quality too for the price.
That is an amazing looking bike, nice choice 👌 cool to see you riding a nice bike, it'll give some great context for reviews of other bikes as well as a good platform for comparing different wheels.
Thanks Galen! Pleasure meeting you few weeks back!
@@PatrickLino Agreed, I'm glad I made the pilgrimage 😁
Niiice...your bike collection is getting better and better..i just got rid of my 2022 s-works tarmac sl7 for a 2023/24 trek madone SLR gen7..I loved the tarmac but after 40 to 50 miles it would beat me up..the trek madone is alot smoother and comfortable..i wanted to be able to keep the speed but ride longer and be more comfortable..
maybe ill try a Madone next hehe...
@PatrickLino I wish I could find a Giant propel in NY...you're ahead of the game..those prime bars are amazing..I had them on my 2021 cervelo caledonia 5..
Super cool and thorough review mate. As a fellow Chicagoan, suburbs, I just scored a Cervelo R5 Force AXS with PM. Love that Giant but was looking more for a traditional frame. And yes , it's getting cold so I'll be lucky if I get a month or so out of riding it outside
Great stuff! New bike days never get old.
Is a beautiful bike! I think the word you were looking for was vibration damping. Not as sexy a word as compliance but when your vibrating, your wheels loose contact on the road. Soooo, slower. And i totally agree with you. Do a TIME review. Not many doing them and the company is fixing to blow up i think
Thanks for chiming in! Good points.
Valuable review, especially your approach building low price Chinese options which as you described puts this more expensively engineered bike in perspective. For future reviews, perhaps find other lesser known builders from Asia, South America and Europe?
What do you have in mind? I know there's brands like NICH, Cube, Elilee, and Dare. I just don't know if they distribute to the USA...
@@PatrickLino Saw an aero Tavelo branded frame on a Panda Podium IG reel. Can’t find any info on this bike. Maybe it’s an PRC or Taiwan OEM rebadge. Portugal has emerged as a lower cost manufacturing center for European bike brands. But no idea if Portuguese manufacturers distribute to North America.
@@Z64025 I have some insight on the Tavelo frameset, but I will wait until we have official details from Panda Podium!
Man, your audio’s a wee bit distorted for the first segment. Not sure if it’s your mic or what. But after that you’re back to the high production values that you always achieve!
Congrats on the bike, it looks amazing!
WHY ARE YOU YELLING!?
Nice bike , congratulations! We see quite a few GIANT bikes in South Africa where I am from.
Sounds like I need to visit South Africa!
Congratulations!!!! Cheers my dude!!!
Thanks bruh!
This review is excellent.
Although testing not scientific it is clear there is great understanding of different bikes and how they run. You are clear about it too.
Like how you broke down the difference in refinement between a Propel and Winspace T1500. Best value performance purchase there is? Yet with some compliance too?Like how you spoke about your feelings too. Often reviewers go round that yet it’s normally a driving factor in choice…
Thanks for watching!
Lover this bike!, I'm new to the world of cycling and Giant Propel Adv 2 is so good, fell in love with cycling bcs of this, for new cyclist like me don't worry this bike is super comfy and so fast.
Love*
@@andrewlioe3537 thanks for watching!
Beautiful bike build, i'm super jealous!! Also, A++ beanie/toque game, this canadian approves ! 🙏🇨🇦
Any Canadian approval is welcomed!
Great build. The Propel is a fantastic bike.
Thank you!!!
Which of my bikes is the "fastest"? - Sadly I just don't have the time and resources to perform a true scientific speed test. Plus there are too many variables. Yes the Giant Propel is the fastest. It better be given the price. But truthfully even if it wasn't any faster than my other bikes the frame feedback, control, and ride quality are the worth the price. And quite frankly those are tangible aspects which would theoretically make you faster.
honestly i think fastest should just be measured in responsiveness and raw sprinting ability. i went from a specialized allez sprint (the model before yours) to a trek madone slr (the 2019 iso speed). the madone is lighter, more comfortable, more aero in a straight line but it's average getting it up to speed and doesn't hold a candle to the allez sprint when sprinting. for most of us i think the get up and go probably ends up being more important than the pure aero?
@@TheBassallyear100 No wrong answer, and I can see your point ❤
Im waiting for new Tcr before I decide which one buy Propel or Tcr 👌🔥😀 summer is end so have time till next year before new season started .
Let me know what you decide. One of my clubmates owns two TCRs which he loves.
@@PatrickLinoI love new propel ,you made a great choose 🚴♂🔥🏎
Great review, very thorough!
Thank you!
Excellent review and comparison 👌🏾
This is the first review of bike frames that I actually believe. I was thinking about cheaping out and do a budget build. Instead I will save money and buy a used top tier brand name bike.
I'm interested what budget frame you had in mind haha
I want to come to your house, lock you in your bathroom, and rewrap your bar tape, and leave ...and probably grab an italian beef somewhere, since they are no good in TX.😆😆🤣
I rewrapped my bar tape about 4 times, and determined it's the shape and curvature of this particular handlebar that causes the wrap to look janky 😭- Haven't had this problem on any other handlebar.
@@PatrickLino It's a beautiful bike man! Congrats!
Love the Giant brand...very underrated! been looking at the propel...my next bike most likely....between the TCR! So you're running tubeless with inserts correct? great video and thanks for sharing! Awesome looking machine!
Thanks! Currently running TPU tubes. I'm not convinced on tubeless for the road
Nice review. I was thinking about getting the frame and move old components over.
DO IT!.
Giant certainly no their s**t,I have a size M/L and it fits like a glove..lovely looking bike enjoy 👌👍
Thanks for watching!
Nice Bike🎉❤ Mine is 2023 Propel Advanced 1, Upgrade some components, such as SRAM RED Power Meyer, CS BB, CADEX 50 Ultra wheel🛞， Shimano/ Pro Vibe One Piece handle bar ! Giant, Taiwan , made in my country 🥹😎🚴♂️
Wicked! Send me a pic to me IG!
I'm buying same model and also considering upgrading the WS from SLR1 to CADEX 50 ultra , what do you think about this performance wise and also how is it with cross-wind?
Great review and video thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Patrick! What are your favorite wheels that you have tested lately?
In no particular order: Winspace D67 Hypers (not the SEs), Craft Racing CS5060, and Magene EXAR Ultra 508. I have codes for most :)
Gorgeous bikes. I'm looking at picking one up myself.
Nice! What size and color?
@@PatrickLino Sangria
@@martenmann8119 Wicked!
Good review, digging the overall point of view with actual ride. Also, come over to Europe and lets ride some good roads.
Thanks for watching 👍🏾
Those chainrings are ultegra r8100?
They look pretty good on the quarq,much better then previous generations ultegra on the same powermeter
Yup Ultegra R8100. Not perfect but yeah better looking than the previous.
Enjoy man. But my main question...where can you buy that colourful beanie😉. No no all joking aside. Bike looks insane.
Sadly the local clothing brand has been out of business for 6 years 😭
You need to get some custom decals made for the wheelsets to match the giant logo! haha
🤣🤣🤣
The new defy looks promising too!
I love what Giant is doing!
Awesome bike, how many bean pies dude you have to sell??? Lol great review, keep up the content bro!
Haha not the Yaddas!
that bbc stem HAHAHAH
NO VIDEO of mine is complete without an inappropriate joke haha
That car analogy was on point 👉
Car dudes, reporting for duty!
That’s a great looking bike mate 👍🏻
Ayyyye thanks Gavin!
@@PatrickLino gotta love cycling 👍🏻
I really enjoyed your video. One thing Giant does offer over other bike manufacturers is high value for the cost.
What are the advantages of TPU tubes over Latex?
TPU saves 50g per tube/tire versus latex and is more resistant to punctures, without any noticeable increase in rolling resistance.
I also always notice the back end first.
What you did there, I see...
Go to 9:32 : spot on. As much as I love cheap frames, they are far from this one. By the way, this is one of the nicest set up of Propel in youtube aesthetically 👍
I need to do a follow up video. Too bad we have snow now lol
I was tested giant propel and merida reacto. Must say giant is so good but merida at the way better than. They stiff they have more control and very smoth when you dancing, every action just more details and that make your feel much more than. With merida you can truly feel the surface of tarmac but very refine that feel, giant just make everything soft and when you put the same of power merida just feel more connect with the tarmac. 😊
Cool!
I’d be curious to see what you think of in a TIME alpe de huez
Also a great option!
Nice bike man congratulation
Thank you!!
Great clip. However for the speed comparison , the handle bar width differences, will explain the giant being faster. You are more aero with the 38 width Vs the others with wider handlebars
I didn't wanna make the video 40 minutes long, explaining every nuance of the bike, testing, etc. Most people can't even handle an 18 minute video and it would be quite boring.
So #1 Propel #2 Winspace, what would take the #3 spot?
Man that's a great question. It's a toss up between my current Allez Sprint and the Yishun R086-D. The Allez is responsive, super easy to work on, and comfortable (for an alloy frame) when set up correctly. Feels bulletproof because it's kinda heavy. The Yishun is much lighter, quite stiff, a fantastic value, but still suffers from minor harshness that comes with "cheap" Chinese frames. In a life or death situation I'd choose the Allez Sprint, but I also need to recoup some funds which the resell value of the Allez would help. Cheap Chinese frames have practically no value on the 2nd hand market.
@@PatrickLino Can you describe what you mean by harshness of the chinese frames? It is hard to quantify what you mean by that. Right now, to me, harshness suggests that the frame feels less comfortable and stiffer. Is this a correct assumption?
Cheap carbon frames tend to be worse in regards to torsion stiffness compared to premium frames, what is your opinion on that?
All in all great video, the Giant Propel was on my wish list aswell and I'm glad that you got one.
@@MDZPNMD Cheaper bikes use cheaper grades of carbon to keep the price down. Cheap carbon can be made super stiff, but my assumption is it won't have the properties and characteristics to dampen road vibrations like higher grade carbon. And it will be heavier.
Obviously you can't cheat physics. What I think Giant (and other main brands) are doing is paying attention to the carbon layup in areas of the frame to have a good balance of stiffness (bottom bracket/fork) while offering comfort (seatpost and top tube.)
Cheap bikes have a tendency to be harsher (how it interacts with bad pavement) because there really isn't much care given to carbon layup. Also, every single frame across the size chart requires its own rear triangle dimensions to balance out the frame size and riding characteristics. I heard this tooling is very expensive. This is why cheap frames essentially use the same rear triangle size and shape regardless of size.
Where would your yoleo r12 fit in your current line up? Amazing review btw, it makes my choice even harder now 😂
@@steph3n17 No comment Lol. The Yoeleo however is a very comfortable frame.
Gorgeous build. Totes my dream bike someday.
Thanks Robb!
The Pro frame is where it's at.
No ISM is a great thing.
Please get someone to wrap your handlebar!! I love the build and think it looks amazing but the handlebar wrap is horrible. Also i want to ask if you recomend any cheap/chines narrow aero handlebars.
I rewrapped my bar tape about 4 times, and determined it's the shape and curvature of this particular handlebar that causes the wrap to look janky 😭- Haven't had this problem on any other handlebar.
I just bought a LOOK 795 Blade RS Ultegra White. I think I’m the only one in NE Ohio that has this bike. LOOK might be making a comeback in the future. They were one of the premier bikes in the 80’s-90’s. Interesting what your opinion would be. Thanks.
The Look 795 Blade looks sick! That was on my radar too.
but its heavy 8kg+
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@@egyasia okay
Not much of a giant guy but this thing looks insane, congrats bro 👊
Thank you!
you should try the shimano pedals, it's an eye opener!! Also very easy to maintain!
I started cycling 5 years ago using Shimano pedals. And that's why I switched to Look Keo pedals 3 years ago lol
The reason why the propel is more comfortable in the rear is due to the sloping top tube, thinner seat post and more relaxed set post angle, not necessarily the lay up.
With the spacers under your stem and the 140mm stem why didn't you go up a size, lose the spacers and had a better handling length stem?
I run 130-140 on all my bikes.
@PatrickLino so you determined frame size based off of desired stem length and frame reach ignoring stack?
@@jordanmann7370 You must be new here, and I will forgive you. Watch my previous bike builds and you will understand. Otherwise go watch GCN or something like that.
@PatrickLino wow ok, GCN would never be a recommendation with regards to bike fitting.
I just twitch when I hear RUclipsrs talk about TT and stem length when picking a frame when so many things impact a TT length and have little baring on position. Ie seat tube angle and head tube height dramatically impact tt length.
My tcr was a 55 tt and my t1550 is 51 with the same reach.
@@jordanmann7370 I run a slammed 140mm -12 stem stem on my Allez Sprint size 56. And yet the Allez Sprint frameset is both longer reach and lower stack than my Giant Propel in the same size. My bike current fit (which was confirmed by my professional bike fitter) requires a lot of reach and a short stack. Very long arms for my height. What works for me may not work for you. And that's cool. My bike fit doesn't work for most people except maybe professional riders, although I am anything but pro.
Very nice review 👍, love the bike. How is it compare to allez sprint?
Thanks for watching! Any specifics on the comparison you would like to know?
Yes the stiffnes, sprinting and feel of the ride.
I have the same crankset setup on my Aethos. Using 11 speed dura ace chainrings
Any chain drops? I may need to upgrade to 53/39 chainrings
@@PatrickLino No chain drops on my end, had some really great mechanics to help with the the setup.
where to get that?@@PatrickLino
Nice build brotha. What type of rotors are you running with the Magene? Are they internal or external lock?
Shimano rotors. All centerlock rotors can run either internal or external spline locks. 👍🏾
I wish you spoke more about how the Propel climbs. I want to get one but I need my new bike (whichever one I get) to be a really good climber. The TCR I know is better but it has the cables hanging out and I just dont like that look. So, this is the next best option. But I am a little afraid it might make those steep sections that are usually at the end of the climbs harder for me. I am sure it is fine for the short steep sections.
Hopefully in the near future you will talk more about how it compares to other bikes on the climbs.
If I talked about how the Propel climbs while currently living in a completely flat city like Chicago, I would get crucified. So really it's a lose lose for me either way. Get the SLR version of the Propel if climbing that important to you. Or an SL8 🤣
@@PatrickLino ,..Yeah, I get it. Anyway, the SLR is too expensive and I wont buy a specialized. I think the Propel AP frame is about the only one I can afford that is at this level.
Have you heard anything about a new Trek Emonda? That could be just the ticket.
Thanks for your response, I appreciate it.
@@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed My first bike ever was a Trek Emonda back in 2015. I would probably get the SLR Emonda version if were to buy Trek again. But I think Trek has fallen out of favor for the more youthful crowd.
I ride it since the begenning of the year, I live in the french Alps, appart from the weight penalty (of course) I do prefer the feeling of the new propel rather than the disc TCR, really lively when you go up on the pedals and not so rigid on the saddle, really comfortable for a race bike.
I've done some open race in mountain (equivalent of the etape du tour) and did some top 10 overall with it so I guess it does climb pretty well ^^
@@jules5037 thank you!
What’s up big Bro! Always a fan of the channel, *TeamPatty for sure!!
I’ve been waiting on this Video. I had a specific question, which you did answer. It was regarding the bike as a whole. A big name brand versus a cheap Chinese bike, is there a difference. YES!!
I got a lot negative feedback when I talked about my Elves bike and why I sold it so quick. For the money, a Chinese bike is solid but it isn’t a big name brand bike and you can feel it immediately when riding.
Anyways, love the build! I kinda like the Hypers on it a lil better. Jus had that “I wanna go fast theme, 💨” 😆
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Thanks bro! Your input is always appreciated. #RobbArmstrong
You gotta drop those tires way down! I’m 165 lbs and run 28c gp5000 and silca tire pressure recommends 67 and 65! Lower is faster!
Silca recommends for me 71 psi. You need to provide overall system weight not just rider weight. I prefer road feedback over absolute comfort, even if it is marginally faster. And I would not dare sprinting at 65 psi for myself LoL.
Wouldn't you think about Scott Foil? It cost about 4000 for 105 di2 setup
Does Scott sell the frameset alone? I don't need wheels or groupset.
@@PatrickLino It is becoming harder and harder to find the budget friendly bike models as a frameset option :(
@@BrianMcDonald greedy bike brands!
@@PatrickLino for real! It sucks that aside from a few exceptions most brands offer nothing under the $3300 frame price
How was the fit and finish of the frameset? Any issues with over spray on brake caliper mounting surface, headset suraces and bb surfaces well finished?
Those details were provided in my unboxing video, but no issues. And I hope not considering the price.
@@PatrickLino thanks bb
I drive an old school Japanese sports car and like cheap Chinese carbon frames, maybe I just have a type 😂
I used to drive a Honda Civic. And now currently an Acura TSA (Euro Accord). Trust me I have a type too haha
I love my Propel. What are the blue shades you have on in this video?
I wear exclusively Monton Sports, which I have a 15% off code in the video description. Shades, jerseys, bibs, socks, even in the photos, are from Monton Sports ❤️
38cm drop width for your build? do you feel a bit cramped or suffocate while on drop? i am using 44cm thinking of getting myself a 42 but i am stocky build.. i am drooling nevertheless
Narrow is aero! I also have narrow shoulders 👍🏾
Sick bike :-) Enjoyed the vid too.
Thanks for watching!
Ugh I want one so bad but they’re not in stock in my size. Do you have any idea how often they restock?
Might be best to contact your local Giant dealer LBS 💨
The BB shell is carbon like older propel on your bike? If so how did you install your bb? Dry, grease or loctite? Thanks
I just use regular grease myself 👍🏾
@@PatrickLino Hmmm, it is not recommended to use grease with pressfit bottom bracket into carbon shell.
But if it works, it works :)
When you compare them to cheap Chinese bikes. Does that include the winspace and the yoleo as well?
This was answered in the video ❤️
Lets go!
Oh snap it's Freddy! What's up babyyyyyyyyyy!?
@PatrickLino: how does the bike climb? Any experience with it?
Super flat here in Chicago
I just got the 2023 propel pro . Did you feel when you at the drop bar? On the hood feel wasn't so obviously but on the drop , yeah..
Repeat your question please haha
@@PatrickLino I just curious. How do you feel difference when you on the hood and on the bar?
@@simonking9216 Very comfortable on the hoods. In the drops it feels like a rocket.
re do the bar tape tighter
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Ahhhh man 😭😭
Since you have a long stem, is there a reason why you didn’t consider a size large frame rather than m/L. ?
It’s not just the reach but also the stack height to consider. The stack height of the large is too tall. And I’m basically running a slammed stem on the M/L.
Great review 🎉
Thanks for watching!
$400 for the stem… 😳… that’s two pair of retro 11 Jordan’s… 😆😆… well done big dog… 🫡
Or one pair of Retro 3s as seen in the video 😭
@@PatrickLino 😎🥃
But then you got nothing to hold your handlebars 😭
@@galenkehler The man upstairs will take care of me!
great review
Thanks for watching!
I have the propel advance 1. I like soo much how looks, but i wish can put a integrated handlebar and stem, do you know if some brand have a cockpit copatible?
Why do you want an integrated cockpit?
@@PatrickLino I need replace my stem because is small, so, if I will spend money, I prefer search a cockpit 600-700 USD. I think 400 usd only for the steam it's expensive
I think you could have gone with the sram gxp cranks and use regular bottom brackets … it’s a bit heavier tho
Power meter though
@@PatrickLino Both the sram red dub and gap are 8 boltninterface and should be compatible with dfour?
I brought a Velobuild frameset. I like it, but it’s a rough ride!
Which frame did you purchase, and what about it makes it rough?
@@PatrickLino I think it was called Velobuild 2019 model. Cracks in the pavement, rough pavement, small potholes…. I cringe. Vertical stiffness. I been playing around with tire pressure to get a better ride
Like your video said open mold frames are not the same frames minus name brand’s logo. Which I knew that going in. Overall I’m happy with it.
Yooooo Patrick, just got a propel, very nice build. What water bottle is that?
Which one? There are two in the video.
Not the fly, the other one.
The one at 3:17.
@@brandonwingate2199 www.abloc.com/
which water bottle brand? like the looks
Came with the price of the frameset 👍🏾
Great review thanks
Thanks for watching!
I read that it is not very light. Do you know the weight and is that a problem to you??
This isn't the top end Propel, and the Propel in general is more of an all-around aero bike than climbing bike 👍🏾
At 6:37 min/sec is that a crack on your non drive side seat stay? I hope it is not because you seem to love your new bike
lol no it's just dirt/muck. I already wiped it off ha
Ok Great news! 😊 So happy for you
Me too hahaha
got the same bike... great choice
How much do you love it?
Comparing to Allez Sprint?
It’s lighter
So, what's the total price of bike? How much cost it?
Not cheap lol
Can you compare this against merida reacto and trek madone?
The Madone is in contention
7.6kg pretty respectable? It's super respectable for an aero weapon like this!
I agree 100% haha! People on RUclips are so sensitive about bike weights, I tried to be fairly neutral about my assessment.
That bike is looking tasty AF 🤌
Grab a knife and fork!
@@PatrickLino 🤤
How does it compare to the older allez sprint?
It’s lighter
@@PatrickLino what about ride quality?
Buy a GIORDANO® LIBERO ROAD BIKE when its on sale and do a review.
I thought it was a really great deal at $250 but even a novice i can see the shortcomings
Thankfully my channel already has plenty of affordable frames on review.
Great video! How tall are you out of interest?
I am 6 feet tall. My bike setup is based on me having long arms for my height, while still needing a low stack. This was confirmed by my bike fitter 😭
@@PatrickLino Yeah looks like a stretch 🫣 I would have to do a lot of core strengthening to survive an hour on that haha
@@PatrickLino also what depth are the rims on the hyper photo? Looks so clean
Though, it's very unlikely the new frame is faster. According to Giant, and this is their official number, the new complete bike with their new Cadex wheel+the oval shaped tyres they save 6.21 watts from the previous generation's Propel. At the same time, and this is also according to Giant themselves, the combination of the new Cadex wheel+the new tyre itself saves 7.2 watts. So infact the frame itself is slower due to a design that's more "all-rounder" oriented features....
Anyway, I was never really interested in seeing accuracy of these tests without a proper measurement of airspeed and temperature normalized setting.
Thanks for watching!