A really informative video, we’re truly thankful that there’s someone that really takes the time to provide this type of user data. Thought it was great you explained how quickly the Ti can get hot and cool, which is why it’s great for CQB/CQB.
I went best of both worlds. Inconel CAT WB QD since I go to rifle classes and Titanium ODB QD for my 300BLK. Grabbed them on launch day and got lucky with 23 day approvals. If I want to lighten up my 5.56 for some casual shooting or home defense, I’ll just throw my Ti ODB on it.
We are in a very disruptive period for silencer tech. Additive manufacturing is going to make the next 10 years or so very interesting. The PTR Vent line is yet another example of this. I'm here for it, let's discover how to build the best can possible.
I'd go straight to the Inconel version WB since Ti is like 10rds/5mins on a 14.5 and even less on shorter barrels. That sounds like a low-volume DMR can. I imagine the cooling will take even longer if you're under the sun during the summer. Not to mention the amount of spark is like a little firework in the dark from the Ti version.
Obviously you’re the goat of silencer reviews, but if I was to nitpick I would of loved to hear your opinion of the WB vs sierra 5 And polonium just because those seem to be the big 3 for 556. Thanks for the great content man!
I can give a bit of insight. Never shot a Sierra5. But have shot the other 2. Polonium is definitely a bit quieter at the muzzle, but it’s one of the gassiest cans there is because of its flow restriction.if you don’t tune your gun for it, it will gas you out. It fits in well as a great DMR/SPR can. The WB is slightly louder at the muzzle and is about the same as an RC2, but it’s backpressure is equivalent to the HUX FLOW762 and Velos LBP. Even size aside, it’s probably the most balanced can in reguards to having backpressure reduction without sacrificing muzzle suppression.
I'm not sure why people keep talking about the Sierra 5. Griffin has 5.56 cans like the Recce 5 and Dual Lok series that out perform that can in the same package and from my experience have impeccable build quality.
Called SilencerShop, sat on hold for two hours until I ended up just hanging up. Called Silencer Central, they picked up rapidly and got me set up and rolling within minutes with solid advice. Never had to leave my house. I ended up going with the Velos LBP for my MK18 but these C.A.T. suppressors really made my ears perk up. I went full length since the mk18 is 10.3" but on my 16" AR I'm thinking of going with a K can of some sort so as not to add too much length.
@@methanesprings4085 I think if they make the right moves they can take their business in a positive direction. Until then, I'm sticking with SilencerCentral. They were great to work with.
Great video. I got a chance to try out some of their cans at Quiet in the Capital and I surprised how well they worked. I should have tried them before I made my purchases lol😅
I do think if most people are honest with the amount they shoot the Titanium is the correct choice for a lot of people. The can is just so lightweight! But if someone doesn’t feel comfortable with it, the inconel is available. Thanks for watching!
Can you describe the differences in gas blow back and suppression performance between the ODB and WB on various 556 hosts? TIA and awesome video - appreciate you!
The 3rd party lab data from pew science shows that the CAT cans are very gas agnostic to dwell time and barrel length And gain muzzle performance with barrel length. The Surge Bypass tech pretty much works like an internal AI. If you give it more gas, it will just automatically vent it to more chambers. so based on ammo used, barrel length, dwell time etc, it self regulates to try to always keeps its gas dynamics the same. Really awesome stuff.
@@Kenposhinobi member of pew. Question, when you shoot your wb and ODB on 556, any length, do you notice a difference in sound suppression or gas blowback?
@@surfcleanlines13 my personal experience it just on my 12.5 midgas. But as far as ODB Vs WB. On my gun with an adjustable gas block, it locks back on exactly the same setting. At the muzzle, the ODB is MAYBE the slightest hair quieter. I would say it’s a slightly different tone, but it’s so small and negligible, I can’t really tell.
I’ve got a 12.5 that’s my do all gun. Coming from an outdated Rex can and picking up the wb ti. My thought is that I’m not railing through 3 mags back to back. But is also, I don’t want to hold back from shooting doubles for a mag. I saw what cat put their wb ti through with their claim it’s got 40k rounds. If I beat mine up a bit it looks like it’ll handle it as long as I’m not putting mag after mag with no break. Is this about right?
I would generally say you are correct. If you can keep the temp in mind just a little you can take advantage of some serious weight savings. I will say after the video I bought the TI, because to me the weight was just so amazing and I can limit my mag dumping or strings of shots. Thanks for watching!
I think CAT is definitely staying on the safe side with the TI restrictions. What sold me on the TI was when I bore scoped it and it looked brand new. I know 800ish rounds isn’t a ton, but if it still looks good after that I think I’ll be ok with it. Thanks for watching!
Yes, for the weight. However, a large number of sparks may not be the best in the dark if your target can shoot back. Basically, you're highlighting yourself while affecting your vision for the next shot. Something you might want to consider.😉
I go back and forth with getting a titanium can. Not getting one if I have to watch my firing schedule that close. I got the b&t srbs 762 cuz I can not outshoot it
Take away: The Ti version seems like the perfect can for a relatively compact and lightweight 16” SPR type of build. On all SBR’s (10.3”-12.5”) and most GPR’s (12.5”-14.5”), the inconel is def the ticket simply due to the type of shooting I optimize my shorter guns for.
I would definitely say so. These cans are different, when you shoot them you can tell they’re slightly different than anything else. The technology is amazing. Thanks for watching!
Good vid. I’m a little surprised to see the over-gassed ejection pattern at 13:31. I have a ODB 718 in jail and it spits em out as if there’s not even a can on there.
Too bad it can’t be ordered anywhere. Cat makes great cans that aren’t ever available for order. Seems like a hype company. Their website is horrendous, no warranty information or way to contact them, out of stock not available for back order Id love to get one. But not until they get their act together
do you think it's possible that a very careful and conservative firing schedule on an 11.5 could see the same lack of wear after 1000 rounds that you did? Or will that short of a barrel likely inherently wear through the silencer regardless of temperature?
Nope, you will be fine as long as you are at their prescribed 10in barrel or longer. Titanium can handle blast and unburnt power fine. Just overheating it and keeping it overheated is what will start to degrade it beyond normal wear. All cans no matter the material will wear over time. But as long as you keep the heat in check, CAT quotes their Ti cans at a 100,000 round lifespan .
While that’s definitely going to be harder on the can I think if you stay within the temperature threshold as much as possible you should be ok. But keep in mind that length barrel will heat up even faster than either of the examples shown in the video. Thanks for watching!
@@carls2210 I have a 5.5 inch barrel 300 blk and their ti version has a min of 10 for some reason. I have the inconel on back order but might go elsewhere for now.
I would like to get the titanium 30 cal version... but u got me nervous now! 😅 All I have is short barrels 11.5's an 12.5s mainly predator hunting 556 7.62x39 an 6arc...
I feel you as I'm in the same boat, 10.5 barrel 5.56 & 8.5 barrel on .300 blk out. I'm really on the fence going with the Ti as I would like longevity with the inconel
ruclips.net/video/DH2OmUZK7eQ/видео.htmlsi=gw2g73oJ1D5vaYKB this is a vid of a guy running the crs prt KAC can through a SAW 100rd full auto dump…the RC3 was literally on fire afterwards…there’s a night fire segment where you can see how good the flash suppressant is
Bolt testing is kinda wack imo since ppl are looking at running these on semi autos and the SAW is obv overkill but more food for thought. Especially since you can buy the kacs fr rn
How does it compare to a more restrictive suppressor like the polonium when you tune it for the higher back pressure with an adjustable gas block and H3 buffer?
@@surfcleanlines13on a tuned host, the WB/ODB is still quieter at the shooters ear and has less back pressure. With a super high backpressure can, even with it tuned, the gas that is still being sent back is a lot more violent with a stronger impulse,so it’s going to have more ejection port blast and gas then a high flow rate suppressor.
With adjustable gas block and H3 buffer with low back pressure can id assume it would be a perfect 3:30-4 ejection suppressed. Without an AGB probably a 3 oclock ejection on a gas gun
Yes, as far as the same 1x16 thread pitch on the muzzle devises, however, DENOTE THAT THE BORE OF THE 556 SPOOKY MOUNT, IS NOT 30 CAL LIKE THE SPOOKY 2 MOUNT..., otherwise just pay attention to that, but the inner thread pitch should dummy-proof the attachment of the wrong bore muzzle devise., 1/2x28 for 5.56, vs 5/8x24 for .308
To everybody here watchig for the same reasons i did. I got my Ti and am going to shoot the way id shoot any rifle. Drills. Not many of us are shooting select fire and if we were wed know what cans we need. It seems suitable for the average persons fire schedule. Most of us here likely dont mag dump into trash. Thats been my take on the Ti so far. If i melt it down under normal use ill je sure to run bwck here and let yall know lol. Ps i have it on a spear lt 556 pistol
I really hope these live up to the hype. As a lefty, I tried a SF RC2 on my 16 inch DD and 11.5 Geissle….a 5 round string caused my eyes to burn and ruin my focus on the target. Pretty depressing thinking that suppressing my rifles means I have to ruin my shooting experience and eat shit.
They are definitely very low backpressure . But you have to remember that DD and Geissele make “Duty rifles” and come overgassed from the factory. And any suppressor at all, no matter how fast the flow rate is, is going to add gas to a degree and won’t fix an already overgassed gun. Theres no magic. If you are running an already overgassed gun, you will need to supplement the can with heavier springs, heavier buffers, adjustable gas block, BRT Gas tubes etc.
@@Kenposhinobi I appreciate your response more than you know. Admittedly, I’m new to suppressors and I haven’t played with Tuning a gun. Again, forgive my ignorance but when you start playing with buffer weights and other aspects of tuning…does that mean that I am severely limited to the ammo I can reliably use? I have heard people talk about tuning the gun for a suppressor but of course I don’t want to lose reliability. Maybe I can’t have my cake and eat it too but have a fun that doesn’t gas me out but only works with a specific brand, type and weight of bullet also sounds kind of lame. Tell me like it is!
@@Briathos1 no problem man. When it comes to suppressed 5.56, you really have to tune the gas down a lot before you get into ammo related reliability issues. And just a heavier spring and buffer won’t do that and it’s a good place to start. On my main gun which is a 12.5, I run a Sprinco Blue buffer spring, H3 buffer weight and a riflespeed adjustable gas block. With my CGS SCI SIX which is a can with moderate backpressure, I can tune my gun all the way down till it won’t even cycle without the can on it and it still eats any ammo i give it. Anytime I put a new can on my gun, I close the gas all the way, place a single round in the mag and shoot. I open the gas and keep doing that till I get reliable bolt lock back, then I open the gas a click or 2 to ensure reliability. With this method I’ve still had amazing reliability and even take that rifle to lots of long multi day, high round count classes. And tuning a gun actually gives better long term reliability. A gun that is extremely overgassed is going to get dirty quicker and wear out buffer and extractor springs faster and have a much higher possibility of cracking the bolt eventually. And you don’t have to tune the gun as far down as I do. You could just tune it without the suppressor till it cycles, but won’t lock back, then you know with a can, you will still have plenty of gas. And with a higher flow rate can, you won’t need to tune the gas near as much.
@Briathos1 perfectly suitable to tune a rifle to run a high pressure can with multitude of ammo. If you make a standard rifle undergassed just on the edge of locking back with pmc 223, you will still be just a little overgassed with hotter stuff like winchester m193. But to get the least amount of gas possible shooting hot stuff you're either sacrificing reliability with under loaded stuff or getting a little more gas to the face. You're unfortunately at a biological disadvantage. That being said, if you tune a gun to run an rc2 with 556 it is going to be severely undergassed without the can. You can't really have a gun reliably cycle underpowered ammo unsuppressed, yet not be overgassed with high power ammo with a high pressure can like the rc2
@@TheMikeshannon This makes total sense. I appreciate the response. Without having owned suppressors….my thought is that they would be dedicated to the rifle. I have never been interested in having one can then swapping them back and forth. Havin to re-zero and all that. I could see where having it tuned to get the least amount of gas then making it unreliable when not suppressed. However, if I’m gonna give the government money in a tax stamp, pay for the can itself AND wait however long….my plan was to just leave them on other Tiana the occasional cleaning. Good things to think about.
Suppressor ammo isn't really a thing, but also subsonic 223 will not cycle an AR. It's also rare to find and stupid expensive for something that performs like 22lr
Sign up for a restock notification on silencer shop. CAT is a small lab and makes their cans in small but consistent batches. I luckily snatched my Inconel CAT WB QD and Ti ODB QD on launch day and they cleared in 23 days
I guess if you really want to worry about it you'd have to thing about how quickly you go to the next 2-3 round string. If there's a few seconds between you'd have a hard time reaching the temp. Personally I think you'd be ok, but if it makes you feel better get the inconel. Thanks for watching!
@AlabamaArsenal that's what I was looking for your personal opinion as you've had first hand experience with it. Just a day of drills and shooting 500-1000 round days you know what I mean
@AlabamaArsenal I ended up getting the ti for the performance and the weight. I will shoot how I shoot and we'll see what happens. Was a 60 day approval lol got 4 cans approved a couple days ago the Ti being one of them
This is great info, answering a lot of questions including some I didn't know to ask. The matchup of the year will be Radical Defense LS-5 and CS-5 vs CAT WB. I talked with the RD R&D lead for quite a while at Quiet In The Capitol and took a few demo shots and was very interested and impressed. I got the impression their Ti version will be more durable than the WB. I hope you all are able to get those to test sometime soon.
Exactly, things are going to keep getting better. If you’re happy with what you got keep using it, the OSS cans were great at the time. If you want to buy some new kit the technology has evolved and you can get better performance. Thanks for watching.
Firm pass on the titanium. 5.56 is one of the few calibers affordable enough to really dump rounds down range, why on earth would I spend that kind of money on a can that cnt handle it
The titanium can handle 556 just fine. It's super long strings of fire. CAT recommends maintaining it under 650°. That's basically a string of probably 90 rounds back to back.
@@TheMikeshannon 30rnds on full auto will easily exceed 650. Iv had my Razer 5.56 (made of cobalt 6 which is infinitely more durable) glowing red with a single D60
@@PracticalTacticalSheepDog really depends on barrel as well. If it's a mg host obviously not but we get customers all the time that think you can't shoot 556 through titanium cans or they'll like explode after 5 rounds
@@TheMikeshannon I only have a couple cans I run on 5.56 but from what I've seen the more heat resistant the material the longer it takes to dissipate the heat. Aluminum gets stupid hot really fast but cools down in less than a minute, titanium is similar to aluminum but holds the heat a bit longer. Stainless heats up much slower than titanium but stays hot longer. Inconel/stellite/cobalt 6 heat up very slowly but stay hot for 15+ minutes once they get glowing red
@@AlabamaArsenal Well I’m about to certify my Element 3 today so that would be awesome to see from yall soon… but I’d be most excited about the Ranger 7 that I’m trying to get next for Deer season… 👍🏻
If you get the chance, I would love to see review on the new dead air No max 33. On a 338 lapua magnum. You are the best suppressor reviewer . Love all the videos.
No less then 10"? Thats a bummer was looking at a PDW in 300BLK that has a 7" barrel, and definitely gonna get a can on it, I've been enamored with the 7.62 TI from HUXWRX but this CAT WB caught my attention too.. so guess this is just another point for the HUXWRX.
First off the WB is 556 only and doesn’t have the bore for 300BLK. CAT’s 30cal can is called ODB and it’s phenomenal with subs you should check out our video on it. You should also check out our video on the Huxwrx 762ti, while it is an impressive can the tech doesn’t really work with subs, while the cat tech does amazingly well. I am of course assuming since you’re shooting 300BLK you’ll want something that works with subs. Appreciate you watching this video, please watch some more I think they’d help you get the most bang for your buck when you make your silencer purchase.
I deleted my comment about the titanium sparking, it was a bit redundant. But, the firing schedule on the titanium is way too strict. Most AR owners will honestly never push that limit, but most are M&P Sport owners who never take it out of the piss closet. Those owners will likely never buy a suppressor either. For those of us that do, you can't even run drills without overtaking the Ti can, and that kinda stinks. I like the idea of weight savings, but my inconel cans have no restrictions.
That’s not at all what the Ti can is for though…. This is true of all titanium cans… and they have actually done some impressive testing of the Ti. It’s purely for people and or applications where wight makes sense… home defense guns for example where in that situation I’m not firing enough rounds to do damage to the can.
@@TennisPro4686289 that makes no sense. You should be firing your “home defense gun” the most. If not, you’re just one of the “I bought one cuz it’s cool, I guess” people. Which is fine. Also, you don’t need light weight on a home defense gun. You should probably stop trying to justify products you don’t understand. Lightweight cans that are light use only make sense for hunting or maybe bench rest. Even some long range competitions have firings schedules this can couldn’t take.
It's really too bad the way they distribute these cans. There is clear demand and I understand that manufacturing is a bottle neck but at the same time, why are you allowing dealer backorders from the same place individuals have to buy them? Makes zero sense. I don't know if this is a failure on SilencerShop's part of CAT just wanting this product going out to market as a dang free for all.
Depends on the metric. In accordance with the PewScience Data, As far as shooters ear and backpressure reduction, the FLOW556 is the best, but is one of the boomiest cans at the muzzle. The DSX is the quietest at the muzzle, but is the worst backpressure/shooter’s ear without tuning your gun. The CAT ODB, WB and FLOW762 are all within 2 points of each other at backpressure/shooter’s ear, being about 2 points less then the 556k. CAT ODB is next at the muzzle under the DSX, WB is a point louder at the muzzle then the ODB, and the FLOW762 is the same at the muzzle as the WB. And FLOW762 Vs ODB, the FLOW sucks with subsonic 300BLK while the ODB is phenomenal on 300BLK. The CAT ODB and WB both are getting RC2 muzzle performance with FLOW762/Velos LBP ear performance with the ODB just slightly edging out the WB because of it’s length and internal volume.
@@Kenposhinobi so the ODB Ti (which I would like to see that same heat testing on) is probably the best ounce for ounce suppressor on the market pending vent 3 testing. I am curious if the additional volume and possible wall thickness (?) of the ODB allows for greater volume of fire before hitting the said heat threshold. I only excluded the inconel odb due to the weight factor and my personal use case.
@@ricosroughnecks1223 as of right now, I would say yes. And Mr Recce on Instagram also heat tested the ODB. Depending on host, it tends to be able to take roughly 5 more rounds then the WB before hitting 550ish degrees.
@AlabamaArsenal so going with the Rugged Alaskan Titanium on my .338 win mag is also going to produce a a lot of flash, even if I switch it to 6.5 creedmoor or 7mm Rem Mag?
Why does every video with these suppressors look gassy as hell, they say they're low back pressure but I see no evidence of that. Some of the people at the Capital Armory silencer event said these were pretty underwhelming once they got behind them.
I’ve shot the CAT cans back to back with the FLOW556K the FLOW762 and the Velos LBP. The FLOW556k is definitely the lowest backpressure, but is very boomy at the muzzle. The CAT Cans, FLOW762 and Velos LBP are all extremely close to each other and I couldn’t discern a difference in gas or recoil impulse. Which lines up identical to the PewScience data. And you have to remember man, these guns are gas operated to begin with, and even the FLOW 556k is going to add gas. And if it’s an already overgassed host unsuppressed, a high flow can isn’t going to fix it. And some people just set their expectations too high and expect magic. Comparing the lab data, the CAT cans are getting RC2 levels of muzzle performance, while still achieving FLOW762/Velos LBP gas reduction. Which is unheard of for their size.
Love the videos but I must say id skip Silencer shop. My application went into lala land with the BGC and took over a year. I decided to cancel my order and start over, my order of 3 cans was almost a 3k order. Silencer Shop kept over $500 for themselves and refunded the rest. Shady biz practice imo.
@@JBlakeS23 from their website: "We have no relationship with CGS outside of Law Enforcement distribution, FFL duties and warranty." So CGS handles CAT's distribution to LEO's, FFL duties and most importantly the warranty. People have inferred that if CGS is charged with repair or replacement that they are the ones making it.
Dammit... You once again got me second guessing on stuff I want hahah. But hey you guys def help a lot in getting some neat stuff \m/. Now the tough question is which suppressor (huxWrx Ventum or C.A.T. WBI wanna test how fast my stamp approval gets done loool
A really informative video, we’re truly thankful that there’s someone that really takes the time to provide this type of user data. Thought it was great you explained how quickly the Ti can get hot and cool, which is why it’s great for CQB/CQB.
I think I am still sold on the inconel wb and odb
Need to get a bunch of your suppressors Mr Cat. Great Video Mr Alabama....however we all think you should bring the hair back....
I went best of both worlds. Inconel CAT WB QD since I go to rifle classes and Titanium ODB QD for my 300BLK. Grabbed them on launch day and got lucky with 23 day approvals. If I want to lighten up my 5.56 for some casual shooting or home defense, I’ll just throw my Ti ODB on it.
Did the exact same thing ... just wish my approvals were already completed!
@@petey800 hell yeah man! May the Gay-T.F. gods shine their light upon you and bless you with quick wait times!
That sounds like a really good way to go! And huge congrats on that approval time! Almost like hitting the lottery. Thanks for watching!
Well.....damnit,,,,, ya know what?,,,,, you suck!
My wait time are like 10-12 months! 😢
@kenposhinobi why did you decide to go QD vs hub?
We are in a very disruptive period for silencer tech. Additive manufacturing is going to make the next 10 years or so very interesting. The PTR Vent line is yet another example of this. I'm here for it, let's discover how to build the best can possible.
Great work comparing the two cans. Wild to think the same design has two very different use cases and you did a great job portraying that.
Alabama don't apologize your videos are very good. Thank you.
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
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Man, I dunno. I just dunno. I wanna be a weight weanie, but 15 rnds doesn't seem like much. Thanks for the honest review! Exciting can in any case!!
I’m in the same boat, I don’t mag dump but I also don’t ever want to be limited because of a can’s firing schedule
I'd go straight to the Inconel version WB since Ti is like 10rds/5mins on a 14.5 and even less on shorter barrels. That sounds like a low-volume DMR can. I imagine the cooling will take even longer if you're under the sun during the summer.
Not to mention the amount of spark is like a little firework in the dark from the Ti version.
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Another very informative video that is a pleasure to watch, I appreciate all the specs and details you include.
This was a really informative video about the CAT WB. I haven't found a lot that talk about the durability and temp requirements of titanium cans.
That little LWRC is awesome. I have a 14.5 IC SPR and want their 10.5 A5 one day
Obviously you’re the goat of silencer reviews, but if I was to nitpick I would of loved to hear your opinion of the WB vs sierra 5 And polonium just because those seem to be the big 3 for 556. Thanks for the great content man!
Stay tuned. Kind of playing with an idea for a video that might do just that! Thanks for watching.
@@AlabamaArsenal hell yeah man🫡
I can give a bit of insight. Never shot a Sierra5. But have shot the other 2. Polonium is definitely a bit quieter at the muzzle, but it’s one of the gassiest cans there is because of its flow restriction.if you don’t tune your gun for it, it will gas you out. It fits in well as a great DMR/SPR can. The WB is slightly louder at the muzzle and is about the same as an RC2, but it’s backpressure is equivalent to the HUX FLOW762 and Velos LBP. Even size aside, it’s probably the most balanced can in reguards to having backpressure reduction without sacrificing muzzle suppression.
I'm not sure why people keep talking about the Sierra 5. Griffin has 5.56 cans like the Recce 5 and Dual Lok series that out perform that can in the same package and from my experience have impeccable build quality.
@@calangeland the griffin cans dont blow up and just fall apart. Sierra 5 is garbo
Great review. It never occured to me that silencers need to cool down and that you can't just endlessly shoot with them care free.
Great video. Just ordered Ti Hub
What recommendations for mount and muzzle device? Choosing between TSFX or Xeno for the left hand thread
Called SilencerShop, sat on hold for two hours until I ended up just hanging up. Called Silencer Central, they picked up rapidly and got me set up and rolling within minutes with solid advice. Never had to leave my house. I ended up going with the Velos LBP for my MK18 but these C.A.T. suppressors really made my ears perk up. I went full length since the mk18 is 10.3" but on my 16" AR I'm thinking of going with a K can of some sort so as not to add too much length.
Silencershop is a joke. Nothing in stock ever.
@@methanesprings4085 I think if they make the right moves they can take their business in a positive direction. Until then, I'm sticking with SilencerCentral. They were great to work with.
How long did it take silencer shop take to ship?
@@jshaw1503 i went with silencer central. They shipped it the moment they were legally able to. Zero delays, solid customer service.
What camera did you use to record the thermal video of the WB?
Great video. I got a chance to try out some of their cans at Quiet in the Capital and I surprised how well they worked. I should have tried them before I made my purchases lol😅
Already got my cat WB waiting to get the stamp! ❤
Hell yea! Alabama arsenal dropped a wb review! Lucky me!
Appreciate you watching!
Well thanks, I feel good about my titanium selection.
I do think if most people are honest with the amount they shoot the Titanium is the correct choice for a lot of people. The can is just so lightweight! But if someone doesn’t feel comfortable with it, the inconel is available. Thanks for watching!
Can you describe the differences in gas blow back and suppression performance between the ODB and WB on various 556 hosts? TIA and awesome video - appreciate you!
The 3rd party lab data from pew science shows that the CAT cans are very gas agnostic to dwell time and barrel length And gain muzzle performance with barrel length. The Surge Bypass tech pretty much works like an internal AI. If you give it more gas, it will just automatically vent it to more chambers. so based on ammo used, barrel length, dwell time etc, it self regulates to try to always keeps its gas dynamics the same. Really awesome stuff.
@@Kenposhinobi member of pew. Question, when you shoot your wb and ODB on 556, any length, do you notice a difference in sound suppression or gas blowback?
@@surfcleanlines13 my personal experience it just on my 12.5 midgas. But as far as ODB Vs WB. On my gun with an adjustable gas block, it locks back on exactly the same setting. At the muzzle, the ODB is MAYBE the slightest hair quieter. I would say it’s a slightly different tone, but it’s so small and negligible, I can’t really tell.
@@Kenposhinobi awesome - exactly what I was looking for and is exactly the conclusion I’d anticipate given the ear pressure/impulse/time charts.
I’ve got a 12.5 that’s my do all gun. Coming from an outdated Rex can and picking up the wb ti.
My thought is that I’m not railing through 3 mags back to back. But is also, I don’t want to hold back from shooting doubles for a mag. I saw what cat put their wb ti through with their claim it’s got 40k rounds.
If I beat mine up a bit it looks like it’ll handle it as long as I’m not putting mag after mag with no break.
Is this about right?
I would generally say you are correct. If you can keep the temp in mind just a little you can take advantage of some serious weight savings. I will say after the video I bought the TI, because to me the weight was just so amazing and I can limit my mag dumping or strings of shots. Thanks for watching!
ive seen 800f for the longest as the temp limit for ti, like for years its been 700-800, seems like they are being conservative with the temp
I think CAT is definitely staying on the safe side with the TI restrictions. What sold me on the TI was when I bore scoped it and it looked brand new. I know 800ish rounds isn’t a ton, but if it still looks good after that I think I’ll be ok with it. Thanks for watching!
We are but this is also a superlite, far less material, so it’ll heat quicker.
WB Ti is the perfect home defense can. It’s on my list that’s for sure.
Yes, for the weight. However, a large number of sparks may not be the best in the dark if your target can shoot back. Basically, you're highlighting yourself while affecting your vision for the next shot. Something you might want to consider.😉
Thank you for the video! Was there any discernible difference in tone between the ti/inconel?
It that I could notice, they sounded identical to me. Thanks for watching!
Appreciate the info.
I go back and forth with getting a titanium can. Not getting one if I have to watch my firing schedule that close. I got the b&t srbs 762 cuz I can not outshoot it
Going to upgrade the Mask on my Mk57 5” to CAT WB asap! Plan to use the Spooky A1 1/2x28 fh.
Just bought mine .
I think you'll be very happy! Thanks for watching!
Take away: The Ti version seems like the perfect can for a relatively compact and lightweight 16” SPR type of build. On all SBR’s (10.3”-12.5”) and most GPR’s (12.5”-14.5”), the inconel is def the ticket simply due to the type of shooting I optimize my shorter guns for.
AA does it gain. Love the review and feed back. I guess cat for is real?
I would definitely say so. These cans are different, when you shoot them you can tell they’re slightly different than anything else. The technology is amazing. Thanks for watching!
Good vid. I’m a little surprised to see the over-gassed ejection pattern at 13:31. I have a ODB 718 in jail and it spits em out as if there’s not even a can on there.
Could be as simple as an oversized gasport with an undersized buffer
Silencer Shop is the best, and that can is amazing! Great vid!
Too bad it can’t be ordered anywhere. Cat makes great cans that aren’t ever available for order. Seems like a hype company. Their website is horrendous, no warranty information or way to contact them, out of stock not available for back order
Id love to get one. But not until they get their act together
do you think it's possible that a very careful and conservative firing schedule on an 11.5 could see the same lack of wear after 1000 rounds that you did? Or will that short of a barrel likely inherently wear through the silencer regardless of temperature?
Nope, you will be fine as long as you are at their prescribed 10in barrel or longer. Titanium can handle blast and unburnt power fine. Just overheating it and keeping it overheated is what will start to degrade it beyond normal wear. All cans no matter the material will wear over time. But as long as you keep the heat in check, CAT quotes their Ti cans at a 100,000 round lifespan .
While that’s definitely going to be harder on the can I think if you stay within the temperature threshold as much as possible you should be ok. But keep in mind that length barrel will heat up even faster than either of the examples shown in the video. Thanks for watching!
Aug approved
Awesome video and so informative! Could you do decibel measurement comparison? Thanks! I'm looking forward to their JL model!
Great job as always AA!
Thank you for the video.
I'm waiting out for the odb but damn it feels like forever since they were in stock last.
The Ti version is in stock on silencer shop right now.
@@carls2210 I have a 5.5 inch barrel 300 blk and their ti version has a min of 10 for some reason. I have the inconel on back order but might go elsewhere for now.
I would like to get the titanium 30 cal version... but u got me nervous now! 😅 All I have is short barrels 11.5's an 12.5s mainly predator hunting 556 7.62x39 an 6arc...
I feel you as I'm in the same boat, 10.5 barrel 5.56 & 8.5 barrel on .300 blk out. I'm really on the fence going with the Ti as I would like longevity with the inconel
ruclips.net/video/DH2OmUZK7eQ/видео.htmlsi=gw2g73oJ1D5vaYKB this is a vid of a guy running the crs prt KAC can through a SAW 100rd full auto dump…the RC3 was literally on fire afterwards…there’s a night fire segment where you can see how good the flash suppressant is
Bolt testing is kinda wack imo since ppl are looking at running these on semi autos and the SAW is obv overkill but more food for thought. Especially since you can buy the kacs fr rn
Why did my post get removed? Cuz I linked to another channel? We’re all gun enthusiasts here just trying to spread information
@@madmike769 Dude just get the Inconel. 12.8oz is very lightweight for a hard use 5.56 can. You'll be fine lol
I live in Helena AL now and just got firearm fever a few months back! Would love to train with you fellas sometime!!!
How does it compare to a more restrictive suppressor like the polonium when you tune it for the higher back pressure with an adjustable gas block and H3 buffer?
Have the same question as well. @Kenposhinobi any help with this? Is it as quiet or quieter at the shooter's ear than a polo on a very tuned host?
@@surfcleanlines13on a tuned host, the WB/ODB is still quieter at the shooters ear and has less back pressure. With a super high backpressure can, even with it tuned, the gas that is still being sent back is a lot more violent with a stronger impulse,so it’s going to have more ejection port blast and gas then a high flow rate suppressor.
With adjustable gas block and H3 buffer with low back pressure can id assume it would be a perfect 3:30-4 ejection suppressed. Without an AGB probably a 3 oclock ejection on a gas gun
Finally my white bread brother!
It’s good stuff! 🤣 thanks for watching!
Jokes on you: I'm watching this on a desk top!
🤣 well, both cans are smaller and lighter than your desk top. Thanks for watching!
Drum roll!
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How does it compare to the odb/ ptr?
What was your zero? And what was the difference in poi?
Let's do this!
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What's the bottom handguard on the AUG that the vfg is attached to?
You’d have to ask @tnsteyr I don’t know what all he has on that thing. I think only the receiver is stock. Thanks for watching!
Is the QD for the WB compatible with an ODB?
Yep same QD system.
Yessir! Thanks for watching!
Yes, as far as the same 1x16 thread pitch on the muzzle devises, however, DENOTE THAT THE BORE OF THE 556 SPOOKY MOUNT, IS NOT 30 CAL LIKE THE SPOOKY 2 MOUNT..., otherwise just pay attention to that, but the inner thread pitch should dummy-proof the attachment of the wrong bore muzzle devise., 1/2x28 for 5.56, vs 5/8x24 for .308
What's the awesome super high eotech riser you're using?
To everybody here watchig for the same reasons i did. I got my Ti and am going to shoot the way id shoot any rifle. Drills. Not many of us are shooting select fire and if we were wed know what cans we need. It seems suitable for the average persons fire schedule. Most of us here likely dont mag dump into trash. Thats been my take on the Ti so far. If i melt it down under normal use ill je sure to run bwck here and let yall know lol. Ps i have it on a spear lt 556 pistol
I really hope these live up to the hype. As a lefty, I tried a SF RC2 on my 16 inch DD and 11.5 Geissle….a 5 round string caused my eyes to burn and ruin my focus on the target. Pretty depressing thinking that suppressing my rifles means I have to ruin my shooting experience and eat shit.
They are definitely very low backpressure . But you have to remember that DD and Geissele make “Duty rifles” and come overgassed from the factory. And any suppressor at all, no matter how fast the flow rate is, is going to add gas to a degree and won’t fix an already overgassed gun. Theres no magic. If you are running an already overgassed gun, you will need to supplement the can with heavier springs, heavier buffers, adjustable gas block, BRT Gas tubes etc.
@@Kenposhinobi I appreciate your response more than you know. Admittedly, I’m new to suppressors and I haven’t played with Tuning a gun.
Again, forgive my ignorance but when you start playing with buffer weights and other aspects of tuning…does that mean that I am severely limited to the ammo I can reliably use?
I have heard people talk about tuning the gun for a suppressor but of course I don’t want to lose reliability. Maybe I can’t have my cake and eat it too but have a fun that doesn’t gas me out but only works with a specific brand, type and weight of bullet also sounds kind of lame.
Tell me like it is!
@@Briathos1 no problem man. When it comes to suppressed 5.56, you really have to tune the gas down a lot before you get into ammo related reliability issues. And just a heavier spring and buffer won’t do that and it’s a good place to start. On my main gun which is a 12.5, I run a Sprinco Blue buffer spring, H3 buffer weight and a riflespeed adjustable gas block. With my CGS SCI SIX which is a can with moderate backpressure, I can tune my gun all the way down till it won’t even cycle without the can on it and it still eats any ammo i give it. Anytime I put a new can on my gun, I close the gas all the way, place a single round in the mag and shoot. I open the gas and keep doing that till I get reliable bolt lock back, then I open the gas a click or 2 to ensure reliability. With this method I’ve still had amazing reliability and even take that rifle to lots of long multi day, high round count classes. And tuning a gun actually gives better long term reliability. A gun that is extremely overgassed is going to get dirty quicker and wear out buffer and extractor springs faster and have a much higher possibility of cracking the bolt eventually. And you don’t have to tune the gun as far down as I do. You could just tune it without the suppressor till it cycles, but won’t lock back, then you know with a can, you will still have plenty of gas. And with a higher flow rate can, you won’t need to tune the gas near as much.
@Briathos1 perfectly suitable to tune a rifle to run a high pressure can with multitude of ammo. If you make a standard rifle undergassed just on the edge of locking back with pmc 223, you will still be just a little overgassed with hotter stuff like winchester m193. But to get the least amount of gas possible shooting hot stuff you're either sacrificing reliability with under loaded stuff or getting a little more gas to the face. You're unfortunately at a biological disadvantage.
That being said, if you tune a gun to run an rc2 with 556 it is going to be severely undergassed without the can. You can't really have a gun reliably cycle underpowered ammo unsuppressed, yet not be overgassed with high power ammo with a high pressure can like the rc2
@@TheMikeshannon This makes total sense. I appreciate the response. Without having owned suppressors….my thought is that they would be dedicated to the rifle. I have never been interested in having one can then swapping them back and forth. Havin to re-zero and all that.
I could see where having it tuned to get the least amount of gas then making it unreliable when not suppressed. However, if I’m gonna give the government money in a tax stamp, pay for the can itself AND wait however long….my plan was to just leave them on other Tiana the occasional cleaning.
Good things to think about.
I would love to hear Alabama Arsenal do Bible verses, there might be good money in that👍🏽
Would you choose this over the CGS six?
Booyeah!
Appreciate you man!
Can you guys do a comparison with the WB when the Ventum 556 gets released?
I’ve been waiting for ANYBODY to do a ventum 5.56 review and no dice
Very interested in comparing this white bread to the fat cat from YHM!
Was any suppressor ammo used in the making of this film? 🐱
Because the .223 sound blast is just hard to tame! 😢
Suppressor ammo isn't really a thing, but also subsonic 223 will not cycle an AR. It's also rare to find and stupid expensive for something that performs like 22lr
I never heard of subsonic 223
Like always great video 📹 👍 👌
I still have yet to see one in stock.
There’s probably a reason for that. Thanks for watching!
Sign up for a restock notification on silencer shop. CAT is a small lab and makes their cans in small but consistent batches. I luckily snatched my Inconel CAT WB QD and Ti ODB QD on launch day and they cleared in 23 days
I honestly shoot alot like alot 2-5 rounds at a very fast rate. The ti probably isn't for me?
I guess if you really want to worry about it you'd have to thing about how quickly you go to the next 2-3 round string. If there's a few seconds between you'd have a hard time reaching the temp. Personally I think you'd be ok, but if it makes you feel better get the inconel. Thanks for watching!
@AlabamaArsenal that's what I was looking for your personal opinion as you've had first hand experience with it. Just a day of drills and shooting 500-1000 round days you know what I mean
@AlabamaArsenal I ended up getting the ti for the performance and the weight. I will shoot how I shoot and we'll see what happens. Was a 60 day approval lol got 4 cans approved a couple days ago the Ti being one of them
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Team Ti! 🦾
💪 Ti is the way…. Thanks for watching!
what was the first host gun in the video?
lwrc IC-PSD?
actually IC-PDW?
Yes that's correct. Thanks for watching!
Need a head to head with the CGS sci six
I'm more of a Dog guy.
This is great info, answering a lot of questions including some I didn't know to ask.
The matchup of the year will be Radical Defense LS-5 and CS-5 vs CAT WB. I talked with the RD R&D lead for quite a while at Quiet In The Capitol and took a few demo shots and was very interested and impressed. I got the impression their Ti version will be more durable than the WB.
I hope you all are able to get those to test sometime soon.
15 rnds? That's not a hard use suppressor. That's just a hunting can.
Titanium is definitely not hard use, the inconel version is for sure. Thanks for watching!
Would have liked this in 2020 before I bought my OSS lol
4 years from now you will say the same thing. Can't catch technology
Exactly, things are going to keep getting better. If you’re happy with what you got keep using it, the OSS cans were great at the time. If you want to buy some new kit the technology has evolved and you can get better performance. Thanks for watching.
@@AlabamaArsenal You forgot to heart your own comment... You have our approval. :P
Who designs, manufactures and distributes the CAT suppressors? Who handles their warranty claims?
"Questions that will never be answered for $500, Alex."
@@WildManActual Starting to think CAT is just a marketing / hype company.
CGS is the answer you are looking for.
@@lelwil2 dumb question but why does CAT exist? Why not just a "lightweight and fragile" line of CGS cans?
Firm pass on the titanium. 5.56 is one of the few calibers affordable enough to really dump rounds down range, why on earth would I spend that kind of money on a can that cnt handle it
The titanium can handle 556 just fine. It's super long strings of fire. CAT recommends maintaining it under 650°. That's basically a string of probably 90 rounds back to back.
@@TheMikeshannon 30rnds on full auto will easily exceed 650. Iv had my Razer 5.56 (made of cobalt 6 which is infinitely more durable) glowing red with a single D60
@@PracticalTacticalSheepDog really depends on barrel as well. If it's a mg host obviously not but we get customers all the time that think you can't shoot 556 through titanium cans or they'll like explode after 5 rounds
@@PracticalTacticalSheepDog I'd be curious to see how different can tech effects heat up
@@TheMikeshannon I only have a couple cans I run on 5.56 but from what I've seen the more heat resistant the material the longer it takes to dissipate the heat. Aluminum gets stupid hot really fast but cools down in less than a minute, titanium is similar to aluminum but holds the heat a bit longer. Stainless heats up much slower than titanium but stays hot longer. Inconel/stellite/cobalt 6 heat up very slowly but stay hot for 15+ minutes once they get glowing red
Their website is TURBO CRINGE.
Commenting until I get a AAC Element 3 & Ranger 5/7 review from yall.😁
Which one would you be most excited about? Thanks for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal Well I’m about to certify my Element 3 today so that would be awesome to see from yall soon… but I’d be most excited about the Ranger 7 that I’m trying to get next for Deer season… 👍🏻
Roll Tide!!!
Roll Tide! Thanks for watching!
damn, the titanium version sounded great until you only get 15 shots out of it before having to wait for it to cool down
Did I miss the price on this can?
If you get the chance, I would love to see review on the new dead air No max 33. On a 338 lapua magnum. You are the best suppressor reviewer . Love all the videos.
No less then 10"?
Thats a bummer was looking at a PDW in 300BLK that has a 7" barrel, and definitely gonna get a can on it, I've been enamored with the 7.62 TI from HUXWRX but this CAT WB caught my attention too.. so guess this is just another point for the HUXWRX.
First off the WB is 556 only and doesn’t have the bore for 300BLK. CAT’s 30cal can is called ODB and it’s phenomenal with subs you should check out our video on it. You should also check out our video on the Huxwrx 762ti, while it is an impressive can the tech doesn’t really work with subs, while the cat tech does amazingly well. I am of course assuming since you’re shooting 300BLK you’ll want something that works with subs. Appreciate you watching this video, please watch some more I think they’d help you get the most bang for your buck when you make your silencer purchase.
Price?
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I want my ears rangin
PTR vent 3 needs to be looked at.
Please tell PTR, I would like to have a video on it. Thanks for watching!
Yes please tell PTR!
Lots of talk about levels, so why no meter readings?
Test the silencerco velos lrp k I won’t to know how it does vs this
LWRC review please
I deleted my comment about the titanium sparking, it was a bit redundant. But, the firing schedule on the titanium is way too strict. Most AR owners will honestly never push that limit, but most are M&P Sport owners who never take it out of the piss closet. Those owners will likely never buy a suppressor either. For those of us that do, you can't even run drills without overtaking the Ti can, and that kinda stinks. I like the idea of weight savings, but my inconel cans have no restrictions.
That’s not at all what the Ti can is for though…. This is true of all titanium cans… and they have actually done some impressive testing of the Ti. It’s purely for people and or applications where wight makes sense… home defense guns for example where in that situation I’m not firing enough rounds to do damage to the can.
@@TennisPro4686289 that makes no sense. You should be firing your “home defense gun” the most. If not, you’re just one of the “I bought one cuz it’s cool, I guess” people. Which is fine. Also, you don’t need light weight on a home defense gun. You should probably stop trying to justify products you don’t understand. Lightweight cans that are light use only make sense for hunting or maybe bench rest. Even some long range competitions have firings schedules this can couldn’t take.
I almost went with a CAT WB unnnnnntil sico released the velos 556k. I just can’t go with a fly by night company over my experience with sico.
It's really too bad the way they distribute these cans. There is clear demand and I understand that manufacturing is a bottle neck but at the same time, why are you allowing dealer backorders from the same place individuals have to buy them? Makes zero sense. I don't know if this is a failure on SilencerShop's part of CAT just wanting this product going out to market as a dang free for all.
Cat WB, flow 5.56, Cat ODB, maxim DSX, or flow 7.62ti? Which one performed the best on 5.56, disregard length.
Depends on the metric. In accordance with the PewScience Data, As far as shooters ear and backpressure reduction, the FLOW556 is the best, but is one of the boomiest cans at the muzzle. The DSX is the quietest at the muzzle, but is the worst backpressure/shooter’s ear without tuning your gun. The CAT ODB, WB and FLOW762 are all within 2 points of each other at backpressure/shooter’s ear, being about 2 points less then the 556k. CAT ODB is next at the muzzle under the DSX, WB is a point louder at the muzzle then the ODB, and the FLOW762 is the same at the muzzle as the WB. And FLOW762 Vs ODB, the FLOW sucks with subsonic 300BLK while the ODB is phenomenal on 300BLK. The CAT ODB and WB both are getting RC2 muzzle performance with FLOW762/Velos LBP ear performance with the ODB just slightly edging out the WB because of it’s length and internal volume.
@@Kenposhinobi so the ODB Ti (which I would like to see that same heat testing on) is probably the best ounce for ounce suppressor on the market pending vent 3 testing. I am curious if the additional volume and possible wall thickness (?) of the ODB allows for greater volume of fire before hitting the said heat threshold. I only excluded the inconel odb due to the weight factor and my personal use case.
@@ricosroughnecks1223 as of right now, I would say yes. And Mr Recce on Instagram also heat tested the ODB. Depending on host, it tends to be able to take roughly 5 more rounds then the WB before hitting 550ish degrees.
@@Kenposhinobi ~20 round strings with a fast cool off... thats more than adequate to train, plink, or whatever use case. i think im sold on it
@@Kenposhinobi bein a lefty, my biggest concern is backpressure...u think the flow is still the best choice for that?
Need you guys to get your hands on the new 6mm MAX from SOLGW for review
Looks like flash suppression needs improvement
It was perfect on the inconel and negligible on the titanium, and you’re always going to have sparks on a titanium can. Thanks for watching man.
In fairness to CAT, they posted videos on their IG showing the Ti version would be a 4th of July show. The inconel one though looks pretty good.
@AlabamaArsenal so going with the Rugged Alaskan Titanium on my .338 win mag is also going to produce a a lot of flash, even if I switch it to 6.5 creedmoor or 7mm Rem Mag?
If i can't get it from my LGS, i aint getting it.
Edit: I think the M4SD-L is better for me.
Roger that. Thanks for watching.
Do you have plans to evaluate the M4SD-L?
Why does every video with these suppressors look gassy as hell, they say they're low back pressure but I see no evidence of that.
Some of the people at the Capital Armory silencer event said these were pretty underwhelming once they got behind them.
I’ve shot the CAT cans back to back with the FLOW556K the FLOW762 and the Velos LBP. The FLOW556k is definitely the lowest backpressure, but is very boomy at the muzzle. The CAT Cans, FLOW762 and Velos LBP are all extremely close to each other and I couldn’t discern a difference in gas or recoil impulse. Which lines up identical to the PewScience data. And you have to remember man, these guns are gas operated to begin with, and even the FLOW 556k is going to add gas. And if it’s an already overgassed host unsuppressed, a high flow can isn’t going to fix it. And some people just set their expectations too high and expect magic. Comparing the lab data, the CAT cans are getting RC2 levels of muzzle performance, while still achieving FLOW762/Velos LBP gas reduction. Which is unheard of for their size.
Silencer shop is nice until it goes down for 7 months and u cant even start ur form 4:(
Love the videos but I must say id skip Silencer shop. My application went into lala land with the BGC and took over a year. I decided to cancel my order and start over, my order of 3 cans was almost a 3k order. Silencer Shop kept over $500 for themselves and refunded the rest. Shady biz practice imo.
Looks exactly like the CBS GRS whatever it is can…
It is rumored that CGS Group is the US manufacturer.
@@lelwil2 why would GPR make a silencer under a new company?
@@JBlakeS23 from their website:
"We have no relationship with CGS outside of Law Enforcement distribution, FFL duties and warranty."
So CGS handles CAT's distribution to LEO's, FFL duties and most importantly the warranty.
People have inferred that if CGS is charged with repair or replacement that they are the ones making it.
Silencer shop steals local FFLs customers and their system is horrible buggy all the time.
Dammit... You once again got me second guessing on stuff I want hahah. But hey you guys def help a lot in getting some neat stuff \m/. Now the tough question is which suppressor (huxWrx Ventum or C.A.T. WBI wanna test how fast my stamp approval gets done loool
I’d like to see this vs the Silencerco Velos
Did I miss the price on this can?