@ it’s not as accurate and harder to repeat POI shift and much more likely to lead to baffle strikes than a hub or direct thread system. They can definitely be used with success I think there are just better options now. I just direct thread my PCC can, it’s not coming off. You aren’t going to take a hot can off anyways very often.
You say in your caption at @2:10 that DiVerge technology shares similarities with surge bypass, however this is not really the case. if you look inside them, especially with a borescope or look at thermal footage of them as they heat up, (or go read the PewScience reports on them and the blast profiles each of them have), you'll see that they are very very different inside. Yeh, they're both low back pressure, but they achieve that in completely different ways. Btw, I know I have both of them, well, specifically I have the Alleycat 556 and the Alleycat 36, which are the MIL/LE versions of the WB and the MOB, which are a lil bit newer and better than their original "civilian model" counterparts, but they each use the same general technology as their counterparts. They just have some slight changes to the geometries/shapes and sizing of blast chambers/other internal elements and, in the case of the Alleycat 556, slightly greater length. The only other visible difference is a slight difference in the color of the DLC coating, but I think that the DLC coating itself is otherwise identical. I think the specific color difference was due to a very specific requirement by military contracts The Alleycat 556 sounds wonderful on my 16" ar15, but the Alleycat 36 sounds *incredible* on my HK SP5 @4:35, they did originally have inconel versions of these silencers, and I think they even made some of them, but I'm not sure if any were actually sold to civilians. But they didn't "just reduced to titanium only" because "they need the 718 manufacturing for their rifle cans". Both the CAT MOB and the Alleycat 36 are designed to be run full-auto, moreso even than their rifle counterparts. In fact, the MOB/Alleycat have a greater surface roughness and thinner DLC coating than the rifle cans they designed earlier because they knew they wanted these to be able to run full auto all the time, and they wanted to increase the surface area (by making the surface much rougher) and aid in further heat dissipation efficiency by having a thinner layer of DLC coating. Why they haven't gone back and added that change to the 556 silencers, I do not know. But my guess is they will probably roll that change into the next update/new model of the rifle silencers. Anyway, They went with titanium only because they found that using inconel for 9mm, even on guns that were shooting full auto all the time, even with short barrels, was completely superfluous and pointless, because at no point were they able to push the titanium MOB/alleycat 36 to the point of needing inconel for durability OR longevity with any reasonable level of usage. You could dump mag after mag after mag through that thing and suffer no ill effects. I confirmed this with them directly. Making them in inconel would be a waste of time and money and weight for everyone. If they wanted to make them in inconel, they could, because their inconel silencers are made at the same laser powder bed fusion 'factories' as their titanium silencers
This feedback has definitely been mentioned a few times and is noted for future videos! I thought it would be helpful to hear how loud the steel is compared to hitting the dirt / weapon report in lieu of “accurate audio recording” but have a new idea for next video :)
The MOB sounds quieter than the Wolfman on my Banshee. However, on my lever action, the Wolfman seems quieter (even without wipe). Of course, the weight difference is too much to ignore on the longer .357 Henry. I would even say the Wolfman in short config with a wipe is quieter than the MOB on the Henry.
@AimAllies tbf, I meant using .38spl subsonic out of the lever gun. I think the traditional baffles of the Wolfman (and it's volume) may give it a slight advantage on a closed action, whereas the MOB is superior on a blowback/radial/delayed action. Also, I noticed no first round pop on the MOB, but the wolf does have a slight frp. Haven't had a chance to compare them on .300blk subs yet, but once I get plan b adaptors for them, will compare these two and a Thunder Chicken on a Mini Fix and a Honey Badger.
Not too crazy about K cans personally. I ran my Rugged Obsidian in K configuration for a few rounds and immediately put the end module back on it was so loud to me…
I have the mobster as well. I don’t even have a pcc yet 😆, with that pew science data blowing all the other 9mm cans away I had to get one. What would you recommend for a host? Thanks
Something roller delayed (MP5) or radial delayed (CMMG see my latest short) for maximum quiet. I love the apc9k for practically but it’s pretty loud in comparison due to the port pop.
@@AimAllies I’d like to get the sig Mpx k, but I’d have to get a ilwt barrel. I’d rather do that than use an adapter with the factory barrel due to the thread pattern. I’ve heard the sig doesn’t like aftermarket stuff and opens groups up pretty wide which makes me nervous. I’m looking at the Cmmg dissent too. Can’t decide which one to get..
@@corruption2.066 MPX's are louder than the suggested alternatives since the gas system vents right above the chamber. Something to keep in mind if you want to make the most out of your Mob
The Wolfman is bomb proof and the versatility over multiple calibers and full auto rated is why it gets my vote. The CAT only really beats it in weight.
@@quadlife7207 the flow characteristics are definitely not to be underrated on the MOB. It is notably quieter. Agreed on the versatility of the wolfman and I did not give that enough appreciation in the video
CAT has knocked it out of the park. One note, the MOB doesn’t use Surge Bypass, it uses their Di-Verge technology. Iove my 718 WB and my Ti ODB. Getting RC2 or better muzzle suppression while getting Velos levels of backpressure reduction is awesome. I tested them and my CGS SCI SIX on my 12.5 midgas with H3 buffer, Sprinco blue spring and riflespeed adjustable gas block to see where I get lock back. Unsuppressed is setting 10, SCI SIX is setting 4, WB is setting 7 and ODB is setting 9. And the ODB is phenomenal on my 8in 300blk. Though I did have to drill out my gas port on it to cycle subs because it has such a high flow rate. The MOB Will be my next can which I’m going to build out a CMMG Radial delayed blowback banshee for.
I did clarify that in the caption, my fault for not double checking on the MOB. I tried out the Mob on a CMMG upper kit and it was extremely quiet, much quieter than my APC9k! Very cool setup. I just test fired my personal 718 WB, very excited about this company !
Dude, it’s damn near vertical and the ATF still has the definition of what is a pistol on their side if they ever wanted to push the issue. They’re not the type of people to hold up a protractor and go “whelp shucks fellas looks like it’s angled by 2 degrees, guess we’ll go kick rocks”. I wouldn’t have even commented if it wasn’t for that little disclaimer. Put a stock on it, idc, just don’t make claims that something legit when you have no idea and get some poor guy visited by the fed boys.
Can't believe there's not more videos on the MOB. This thing is unbelievable
gas flow patterns are insane for how quiet it is!
Great work, both of those setups sound awesome! Love to see another lefty getting after it on the range!
-Chase
Enjoyed the WB as well in a newer video! Thanks for checking out the channel Chase!!
10:38 does the MOB work with 3-lug mounts?
@@SurReal1101 the hub one you could get a tri lug for it. I don’t really recommend tri lug in general though.
@ what’s wrong with tri lug? My MPX already set up for tri lug so that’s why I ask.
@ it’s not as accurate and harder to repeat POI shift and much more likely to lead to baffle strikes than a hub or direct thread system. They can definitely be used with success I think there are just better options now. I just direct thread my PCC can, it’s not coming off. You aren’t going to take a hot can off anyways very often.
You say in your caption at @2:10 that DiVerge technology shares similarities with surge bypass, however this is not really the case. if you look inside them, especially with a borescope or look at thermal footage of them as they heat up, (or go read the PewScience reports on them and the blast profiles each of them have), you'll see that they are very very different inside. Yeh, they're both low back pressure, but they achieve that in completely different ways.
Btw, I know I have both of them, well, specifically I have the Alleycat 556 and the Alleycat 36, which are the MIL/LE versions of the WB and the MOB, which are a lil bit newer and better than their original "civilian model" counterparts, but they each use the same general technology as their counterparts. They just have some slight changes to the geometries/shapes and sizing of blast chambers/other internal elements and, in the case of the Alleycat 556, slightly greater length.
The only other visible difference is a slight difference in the color of the DLC coating, but I think that the DLC coating itself is otherwise identical. I think the specific color difference was due to a very specific requirement by military contracts
The Alleycat 556 sounds wonderful on my 16" ar15, but the Alleycat 36 sounds *incredible* on my HK SP5
@4:35, they did originally have inconel versions of these silencers, and I think they even made some of them, but I'm not sure if any were actually sold to civilians. But they didn't "just reduced to titanium only" because "they need the 718 manufacturing for their rifle cans". Both the CAT MOB and the Alleycat 36 are designed to be run full-auto, moreso even than their rifle counterparts. In fact, the MOB/Alleycat have a greater surface roughness and thinner DLC coating than the rifle cans they designed earlier because they knew they wanted these to be able to run full auto all the time, and they wanted to increase the surface area (by making the surface much rougher) and aid in further heat dissipation efficiency by having a thinner layer of DLC coating. Why they haven't gone back and added that change to the 556 silencers, I do not know. But my guess is they will probably roll that change into the next update/new model of the rifle silencers.
Anyway, They went with titanium only because they found that using inconel for 9mm, even on guns that were shooting full auto all the time, even with short barrels, was completely superfluous and pointless, because at no point were they able to push the titanium MOB/alleycat 36 to the point of needing inconel for durability OR longevity with any reasonable level of usage. You could dump mag after mag after mag through that thing and suffer no ill effects. I confirmed this with them directly. Making them in inconel would be a waste of time and money and weight for everyone.
If they wanted to make them in inconel, they could, because their inconel silencers are made at the same laser powder bed fusion 'factories' as their titanium silencers
I believe their low back pressure design is different than what they refer to as surge bypass on their other cans.
Thanks for the info on the CAT Mob! I do wonder why you even bother shooting steel in a video about silencers, seems pointless.
This feedback has definitely been mentioned a few times and is noted for future videos! I thought it would be helpful to hear how loud the steel is compared to hitting the dirt / weapon report in lieu of “accurate audio recording” but have a new idea for next video :)
I want to see the MOB vs Otter Creek Lithium
The MOB sounds quieter than the Wolfman on my Banshee. However, on my lever action, the Wolfman seems quieter (even without wipe). Of course, the weight difference is too much to ignore on the longer .357 Henry. I would even say the Wolfman in short config with a wipe is quieter than the MOB on the Henry.
@@jackburton7959 super interesting feedback there. I haven’t adventured much with my wolfman outside of 9mm tbh. Thanks for sharing!!
@AimAllies tbf, I meant using .38spl subsonic out of the lever gun. I think the traditional baffles of the Wolfman (and it's volume) may give it a slight advantage on a closed action, whereas the MOB is superior on a blowback/radial/delayed action. Also, I noticed no first round pop on the MOB, but the wolf does have a slight frp. Haven't had a chance to compare them on .300blk subs yet, but once I get plan b adaptors for them, will compare these two and a Thunder Chicken on a Mini Fix and a Honey Badger.
I wonder if you’ll have the same result if you use a roller delay instead of a radial or straight blowback…
Not too crazy about K cans personally. I ran my Rugged Obsidian in K configuration for a few rounds and immediately put the end module back on it was so loud to me…
Wait till you try out the WB. It sounds like a full sized can. I haven’t tried a 9mm k can that is nearly as quiet as full sized yet though.
I love to see the difference if you add the wipe to the Wolfman
In practice the wipe only seems to last ~10 shots but I should test that out!
@@AimAlliesyeah still would be neat to see.
Very good video. You're very good at articulating your thoughts and reasoning. Earned a sub from me, keep it up!
Thank you for the kind words and welcome!
Would you recommend the CAT for an AKV?
@@ghernandez6457 as long as the barrel threads are concentric it would probably be a good match!
Would you consider the MOB to be a big enough improvement over the wolfman that it would be worth purchasing if you already own a wolfman?
@@thesandman9357 only if you are unhappy with the gas performance of the wolfman and have another host that it can live on
I have the mobster as well. I don’t even have a pcc yet 😆, with that pew science data blowing all the other 9mm cans away I had to get one. What would you recommend for a host? Thanks
Something roller delayed (MP5) or radial delayed (CMMG see my latest short) for maximum quiet. I love the apc9k for practically but it’s pretty loud in comparison due to the port pop.
@@AimAllies I’d like to get the sig Mpx k, but I’d have to get a ilwt barrel. I’d rather do that than use an adapter with the factory barrel due to the thread pattern. I’ve heard the sig doesn’t like aftermarket stuff and opens groups up pretty wide which makes me nervous. I’m looking at the Cmmg dissent too. Can’t decide which one to get..
@@corruption2.066 the dissent should be a solid option for you for sure.
@@corruption2.066 FWIW I think a rearden hub compatible muzzle device should work fine on the mpx!
@@corruption2.066 MPX's are louder than the suggested alternatives since the gas system vents right above the chamber. Something to keep in mind if you want to make the most out of your Mob
Awesome comparison!
There was an incident involving the Wolfman?
no, regarding the Sierra 5. Wolfman has always been GTG. as far as i know they did not manufacture the sierra 5 so really unfairly blamed tbh.
Anything you got I just love cans lol thanks
The Wolfman is bomb proof and the versatility over multiple calibers and full auto rated is why it gets my vote. The CAT only really beats it in weight.
@@quadlife7207 the flow characteristics are definitely not to be underrated on the MOB. It is notably quieter.
Agreed on the versatility of the wolfman and I did not give that enough appreciation in the video
CAT makes dedicated suppressors.
I prefer dedicated systems. Reduces variables
in what way is the wolfman "full auto rated" where the CAT can is not? The CAT MOB can be run full-auto too, so I don't understand what you're saying
@@rondobrondohe’s making a jump across the Grand Canyon that the CAT mobster will not hold up which is not the case.
@@rondobrondowolf man is full auto rated for any caliber you can send through it, the mob is only full auto rated if you’re using a 9mm pcc
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CAT has knocked it out of the park. One note, the MOB doesn’t use Surge Bypass, it uses their Di-Verge technology. Iove my 718 WB and my Ti ODB. Getting RC2 or better muzzle suppression while getting Velos levels of backpressure reduction is awesome. I tested them and my CGS SCI SIX on my 12.5 midgas with H3 buffer, Sprinco blue spring and riflespeed adjustable gas block to see where I get lock back. Unsuppressed is setting 10, SCI SIX is setting 4, WB is setting 7 and ODB is setting 9. And the ODB is phenomenal on my 8in 300blk. Though I did have to drill out my gas port on it to cycle subs because it has such a high flow rate. The MOB Will be my next can which I’m going to build out a CMMG Radial delayed blowback banshee for.
I did clarify that in the caption, my fault for not double checking on the MOB.
I tried out the Mob on a CMMG upper kit and it was extremely quiet, much quieter than my APC9k! Very cool setup.
I just test fired my personal 718 WB, very excited about this company !
Any chance we can get a video of it on the cmmg? I was planning the same setup
@@KyleSmith-bp2fe yes. I have a very short video I’ll upload as a short in a few minutes.
@@KyleSmith-bp2fe ruclips.net/user/shortsYeNCPv6lzx0?si=iTnn6tqvaxQDnOch
@@AimAllieslet's hear the mob on the cmmg upper. I have a scorpion and I'm interested in building a 8" cmmg for my mob
I subscribed looking forward to seeing more can videos
Thank you! Any comparisons or products you want to see specifically?
Awesome comparison
Thank you!
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For the money stay with the Wolfman and it’s modular
Props on not being one of those reGards who say "CAT cans are made by CGS". Because they're not lol
Forgrip and pistol brace???😮
its angled! (and also not mine)
Which brand and model foregrip?
@@albertptran the nearly vertical one on the apc9k with the mob is some kind of 3d printed grip. Not mine so not sure of the details sorry.
Dude, it’s damn near vertical and the ATF still has the definition of what is a pistol on their side if they ever wanted to push the issue. They’re not the type of people to hold up a protractor and go “whelp shucks fellas looks like it’s angled by 2 degrees, guess we’ll go kick rocks”. I wouldn’t have even commented if it wasn’t for that little disclaimer. Put a stock on it, idc, just don’t make claims that something legit when you have no idea and get some poor guy visited by the fed boys.
@@soggybiscuits9399 like I said, its also not mine!
Sound the same