Debunking Araki Forgot: Parts 1 & 2

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  • Опубликовано: 27 окт 2024

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  • @zesork5627
    @zesork5627 5 лет назад +13735

    About Kars:
    "Lastly, there are likely some of you out there that think Kars might come back to Earth at some point, but as the creator, I actually drew this with the intention of him never coming back again (Laughs). The line about him "deciding to stop thinking" was something that came to me naturally when I was thinking about what you would do if you were journeying through space and you became unable to return. The fact that he cannot fulfill his wish to go back--no matter how much he wants to while time continues ticking on--may be the harshest punishment possible for Kars as the Ultimate Being. That's why, unless I can come up with a logical reason for him to come back, like maybe him developing a compass-like ability, or crashing down on some other civilization, that final scene will be his last one."
    -Hirohiko Araki, Jojonium Volume 7 Interview.

  • @Pikaman20008
    @Pikaman20008 5 лет назад +11580

    Wait, people actually think Araki forgot about Kars? It literally said in the story that he never came back to Earth.

    • @weshannum4961
      @weshannum4961 5 лет назад +858

      Pikaman20008 shhhh... no no no no, honey this was Araki's fault, forget about all that supporting information, Araki just forgot to bring him back so he added that in

    • @guidomista1459
      @guidomista1459 5 лет назад +407

      @@weshannum4961 he went back in time to add that in

    • @bolson42
      @bolson42 5 лет назад +327

      Hmmmm.... seems like readers forgot not Araki

    • @lampsonmcstand6150
      @lampsonmcstand6150 5 лет назад +34

      ~~jorge joestar says otherwise~~

    • @DarthJoshReturns
      @DarthJoshReturns 5 лет назад +137

      And even if he did come back somehow, he'd be a vegetable.

  • @DeathAlchemist
    @DeathAlchemist 5 лет назад +4450

    I honestly forgot about the ring, didn't know people cared that much about it.

    • @YeppyNope
      @YeppyNope 5 лет назад +257

      "The Fans Forgot"

    • @marshallemmet1366
      @marshallemmet1366 5 лет назад +6

      I know right?

    • @marleonka.
      @marleonka. 5 лет назад +162

      Like. People expected the ring to be used as a weapon or something? It's just a memento and that's its purpose. You can't really do much with it

    • @weshannum4961
      @weshannum4961 5 лет назад +107

      People see the potential for plot elements then assume that the writer failed to bring them into fruition when it was only them that had that idea

    • @formerctgovernordannelmall1452
      @formerctgovernordannelmall1452 5 лет назад

      Death Alchemist ikr?

  • @ComatHam
    @ComatHam 5 лет назад +5756

    The stupidest one is Dio allegedly contradicticting himself when calling Hermit Purple the weakest stand, when he later claims that some other stand is the weakest one. I mean, do people really not understand that he is shit-talking Joseph?

    • @jurtra9090
      @jurtra9090 4 года назад +84

      @Godmaster correct

    • @dasher3532
      @dasher3532 4 года назад +650

      Compared to the other crusaders, DIO is correct. Literally a bunch of vines, and the Stand is used for utility than attack. The other Stands the Crusaders possess are much more powerful than Hermit Purple.

    • @nightfloral5010
      @nightfloral5010 4 года назад +206

      @Godmaster Later on Dio says that the "Survivor" stand is the weakest, and it is true! it is not even a "stand" because it is so simple.

    • @noahhkun5097
      @noahhkun5097 4 года назад +16

      CMH he calls survivor the weakest stand

    • @noahhkun5097
      @noahhkun5097 4 года назад +33

      paradox empty? The only stand like ability it had is to show strong parts of people’s bodies and I guess make them pissed off?

  • @JudgmenTaichi
    @JudgmenTaichi 5 лет назад +5352

    The only Araki Forgot that I can accept is "Araki forgot to age" so he can continue JoJo forever

    • @themalegardevoir2467
      @themalegardevoir2467 5 лет назад +162

      @@LyricalStarr Vampire* if he had to train hamon he wouldn't have time for Jojos

    • @francescolombardi3438
      @francescolombardi3438 5 лет назад +73

      If he forgot about Hamon, why is he so good at it?

    • @DraculaCronqvist
      @DraculaCronqvist 5 лет назад +41

      Sadly, this is no longer true. Recent pictures do show his age. Does he still look good for his age? Yes, but he doesn't look young anymore. You can tell he's 50-something.

    • @skye387
      @skye387 5 лет назад +27

      He does forgot things like designs, accessories and such (he said it himself in that one interview video) but I think all the story/ability changes are conscious choice.
      He's basically writing as he goes, instead of planning all the plot points and he just doesn't care that he has to change something midway.

    • @DJ-7-2-2-0
      @DJ-7-2-2-0 5 лет назад +4

      DraculaCronqvist he’s 59

  • @lucidlullaby894
    @lucidlullaby894 5 лет назад +3068

    “Araki forgot about Kars”
    What do mean Araki forgot about him he’s floating through space as a hunk of rock how could he possibly get back

    • @klutzspecter3470
      @klutzspecter3470 5 лет назад +78

      Don’t know how or why that’s a thing. Now if it’s science Kars can get back to earth’s gravitational pull. Not saying it’s possible, but I can’t compete with anime science, because Jotaro vs Josuke with healing abilities Jotaro somehow revived his grandpa.

    • @heyhello8813
      @heyhello8813 5 лет назад +8

      Kars is a freaking monster i think he can come back

    • @cdkumquat4953
      @cdkumquat4953 5 лет назад +38

      Now what would have happened if Josuke tried to heal Joseph's hand? Would Kars get brought all the way back to Earth, or would it just not do anything?

    • @chikipichi5280
      @chikipichi5280 5 лет назад +1

      That's literally what the video said

    • @vapehut2326
      @vapehut2326 5 лет назад +49

      @@klutzspecter3470 its almost like his grandpa wasn't dead and was only dying from loss of blood and all jotaro did was re-inject the blood, just like giorno did with the snake to cure purple haze's poison

  • @jswp5
    @jswp5 5 лет назад +4802

    My headcannon is that Joseph was Part 3’s healer, and that’s why the crusaders were always able to take such a beating

    • @zad_rasera
      @zad_rasera 5 лет назад +304

      Hmm makes sense

    • @skritrit28
      @skritrit28 5 лет назад +638

      That makes a lot of sense, in Part 4 for example where there is no Hamon Josuke keeps his injuries for a few episodes as be cant heal himself.

    • @freshboy3968
      @freshboy3968 5 лет назад +198

      Yet he still didn't teach it to anyone else. Goddangit old man!

    • @siberiangopnik
      @siberiangopnik 5 лет назад +472

      @@freshboy3968
      Learning hamon takes time and the crusader's was on limited time before Holly dies

    • @freshboy3968
      @freshboy3968 5 лет назад +46

      @@siberiangopnik God... dangit old man...

  • @329link
    @329link 4 года назад +2169

    Character arc: completed
    Fans: what ever happened to that guy? Araki forgot!

    • @milestone1719
      @milestone1719 3 года назад +27

      Yeah.

    • @shiro-san7379
      @shiro-san7379 3 года назад +127

      Ikr, people like bringing some "random npc" and thinking they're some key character 😅

    • @shiro-san7379
      @shiro-san7379 2 года назад +36

      @@fhinpus you serious still asking about that?
      Araki already stated he's just "random delinquent"
      Not to mention the flashback from koichi not josuke himself cause he's sick and the only thing he can see is the hair

    • @jaycee.01
      @jaycee.01 2 года назад +27

      @@shiro-san7379 Yeah i don't get why people still try to find a deeper meaning to something so simple. The delinquent was just a symbol on how it would impact josuke on how he acts and form his principles yet they want that character to be something bigger than it already is. I swear I've seen a lot of people claim it to be a time travel version of Josuke. It's really not that deep. Lol

    • @darksith7282
      @darksith7282 2 года назад +4

      Poco acc had completed his little arc given how minor he was

  • @CorruptedMaterial
    @CorruptedMaterial 5 лет назад +1717

    Wait... People actually think body heat is supernatural and a memorabilia needs to have any other meaning?

    • @derrilazkia1002
      @derrilazkia1002 5 лет назад +223

      Those people also think that minor supporting characters is supposed to be important

    • @LAngel2REAL
      @LAngel2REAL 5 лет назад +144

      I think they should pay less attention to the supernatural potential and pay more attention to the homoeroticism

    • @CorruptedMaterial
      @CorruptedMaterial 5 лет назад +58

      @@LAngel2REAL I'd shove my bro's whole arm up my ass if it meant saving our lives.

    • @uhoh6706
      @uhoh6706 5 лет назад +106

      Tbf... the anime did portray Speedwagon abs glowing bright orange like an oven with an active fire. Either way Speedwagon literally does say that he’s just using his body heat though so I don’t know why people thought he had heat powers

    • @michaelportillo5663
      @michaelportillo5663 5 лет назад +36

      Also tbf, you even hear sizzle coming from Speedwagon's abs

  • @qoyote
    @qoyote 5 лет назад +2430

    There are barely any "Araki forgot" moments, a whole lot of "the fans forgot", and just as much of "Araki intentionally ignored something he didn't like to tell a better story".

    • @Karma-lx8ny
      @Karma-lx8ny 5 лет назад +82

      Super Neko Majin there are a few mainly because he’s been writing for 30+ years over 8 parts so yeah he’s gonna forget stuff but it’s more “araki got bored”. That being said I haven’t heard half of these “araki forgot” except the hamon rock thing.

    • @flavindabre818
      @flavindabre818 5 лет назад +7

      Still one of the most prominent Araki forgot moment is the scene of the man who saved Josuke as a child.
      We don't know who he was.

    • @gideonjones8088
      @gideonjones8088 5 лет назад +217

      @@flavindabre818 I'm pretty sure that guy's identity wasn't expanded on because Araki just didn't think it mattered. A random stranger helped Josuke and his mother when they needed help, and they never saw him again. That's all.

    • @scratch2086
      @scratch2086 4 года назад +4

      So... he's a bad writer then?

    • @alfa01spotivo
      @alfa01spotivo 4 года назад +67

      Drekaban
      Not really. Changing small stuff is fine if it benefits the story. It isn't real life or a documentary

  • @ashhinman1919
    @ashhinman1919 3 года назад +577

    You notice how people seem to rag on Speedwagon for explaining simple things, then after he dies is when most of these “Araki Forgot’s” occur?

  • @JowoeBunchaNumbers
    @JowoeBunchaNumbers 3 года назад +277

    Araki: *draw a random rock in the background of a panel*
    JoJo fans: BUT WHY DIDN'T THE ROCK COME BACK IN THE NEXT PART?!

  • @Xion009
    @Xion009 5 лет назад +716

    The only people who think Speedwagon's body heat is a special ability are vampires who have no body heat

    • @DamageMaximo
      @DamageMaximo 4 года назад +8

      Yeah, lmao

    • @blokvader8283
      @blokvader8283 4 года назад +52

      Yeah it was literally just exaggerated to make the scene better

    • @kingsomething4356
      @kingsomething4356 3 года назад +15

      @@blokvader8283 exatcly.Animes and mangas are overdramatic.

    • @blokvader8283
      @blokvader8283 3 года назад +36

      @@kingsomething4356 Same with the Janken kid vs Rohan fight
      I dont think they genuinely jumped 10 meters into the air, it wasnt definitely just DP making the shots big epic

    • @50LE5URVlV0R
      @50LE5URVlV0R 3 года назад +25

      @@blokvader8283 ngl that janken kid was a real annoying bastard, almost as much as yoshikage’s father

  • @reshiram915
    @reshiram915 5 лет назад +1766

    Araki forgot that the "Thunder Cross Split Attack" is the perfect technique of attack and defense,so Dio killed Dire

    • @derrilazkia1002
      @derrilazkia1002 5 лет назад +125

      Oh noes!
      Thunder Cross Split Attack too strong!
      Must kill user before too late!

    • @TheShyGamer
      @TheShyGamer 5 лет назад +52

      this comment has made me lose an inhuman amount of brain cells

    • @wisemankugelmemicus1701
      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 5 лет назад +18

      Oh crap Hamon Beat is obliterated.

    • @wisemankugelmemicus1701
      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 5 лет назад +62

      @@TheShyGamer have a sense of humor my dude

    • @theraymunator
      @theraymunator 5 лет назад +120

      I have an explanation...
      .
      .
      YOU FELL FOR IT! THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK!

  • @huytungnguyen119
    @huytungnguyen119 5 лет назад +3309

    Basically many of Araki Forgots are caused by not reading the manga/not paying attention

    • @Maxine_302
      @Maxine_302 5 лет назад +80

      Yes

    • @m.huseinaqilah1717
      @m.huseinaqilah1717 5 лет назад +269

      I can't stress it enough how I hate these types of statement. It's a horrendous made up excuse for people to act superior by spending they entire weeks on finding little details, without enjoying the manga itself.

    • @droidpenguin3648
      @droidpenguin3648 5 лет назад +81

      Yep
      It's always reader forgot

    • @joaquinaugusto625
      @joaquinaugusto625 5 лет назад +118

      @@m.huseinaqilah1717 yeah it's totally anime watchers fault that the anime doesn't comunicate things correctly

    • @m.huseinaqilah1717
      @m.huseinaqilah1717 5 лет назад +10

      @@joaquinaugusto625 ok?

  • @utterclown1580
    @utterclown1580 3 года назад +454

    I love the way that the problem people had with Dire was that he was using Hamon while a severed head, not the fact he was talking and moving as a severed head.

    • @anueutsuho7425
      @anueutsuho7425 2 года назад +131

      "Lungs are vital for Hamon users" "Thank god I'm not a Hamon user, so I don't need lungs"

  • @nickcasillas1618
    @nickcasillas1618 5 лет назад +1059

    For Part 4: Araki forgot that Rohan has to show people his manga for Heaven’s Door to work.
    Explanation: Rohan’s literal next appearance after he’s introduced he explains that he’s been training with his stand and he doesn’t need to do that anymore.

    • @jondo5114
      @jondo5114 5 лет назад +134

      people will also say "well what about when he said it wouldn't work on people like jouske yet it works on him in the high way star battle" but people forget, at the time it didn't work on josuke, he was so raged out, he didn't see the manga. rohan just assumed it wouldn't work on josuke.
      his ability still won't work on certain people. only difference is that it's easier to use now. he can draw in the air to see if the person reacts but usually rohan just simply takes chances and tries.

    • @weshannum4961
      @weshannum4961 5 лет назад +65

      People are kinda retarded. Rohan didn't even reveal his stand in the first fight, so obviously he must not have a visual stand, thats the only conclusion that makes sense, if i didnt know this off the bat then it cant be true later

    • @DissedRedEngie
      @DissedRedEngie 5 лет назад +117

      @@weshannum4961 Like seriously, every time heaven's door's ability is activated, the victim needs to see the character that later became the stand. Rohan just learned to draw it mid air to summon it. While stand stats are bullshit for the most part, heaven's door has A in development potential.

    • @TungstenViper
      @TungstenViper 5 лет назад +47

      also at the beginning, whenever he uses Heaven's Door he draws Pink Dark Boy on thin air with a pen.

    • @RedGoner
      @RedGoner 5 лет назад +27

      I mean, even though that's less of a "he forgot" moment, it's still a moment of bad writing for a number of reasons.
      1. Character's ability changes off-screen
      2. Character's ability changes in a way that doesn't really affect the fights they appear in (HD is literally useless against Boy II Man, Highway Star, and Cheap Trick anyway, so speed is irrelevant)
      3. Character's ability could've been improved in a much smarter way (if he drew HD on the back of his hand every morning then he wouldn't need to draw it in mid-air whenever he sees a potential threat, he could just show the back of his hand)

  • @pfitz9346
    @pfitz9346 4 года назад +2104

    The whole "they forgot hamon heals people" thing is a little absurd. How do they think Joseph walks away from all his battles? He's usually beat to absolute shit but he uses hamon to heal. How could he have fought Kars literally like 20 minutes after Wammu nearly killed him if not for hamon? He literally couldn't stand after the Wamu fight and had internal organ damage but he was in tip top shape ready to run when he gets Kars to chase him. His hamon being weak after the fight wasn't because he used it all on Wamu, he barely used any in that fight. He used it all healing his massive internal organ damage and broken ribs.

    • @makchot3263
      @makchot3263 4 года назад +84

      Araki does hv a lot instances of bad writing though. A lot of the debunking done in this video is basically giving araki and the show the benefit of a doubt instead of concrete evidence

    • @makchot3263
      @makchot3263 4 года назад +9

      @Covid 19 what forgot? I said that araki has a lot of bad writing, i didn't say forgot

    • @Shikaschima
      @Shikaschima 4 года назад +47

      Doesn't Joseph mention something abour healing/resting in the hotel shortly before Ceasar's death?

    • @Shikaschima
      @Shikaschima 4 года назад +125

      @@makchot3263 i mean you can also turn it the exact opposite way an saying that people are absolutely overthinking things or just straightout ignoring stuff that is right in front of them. You can say it's beenfit of the doubt but in many cases it is just fans being pretty much standing on their theories (that have never been canon) and not being willing to admit that they were wrong.

    • @makchot3263
      @makchot3263 4 года назад +8

      @@Shikaschima nah man of all shows jojo has one of the most plot holes it can hv in it that can impact the story really hard

  • @blogofbored3224
    @blogofbored3224 4 года назад +1008

    Araki forgets a lot. But he remembers three things: names, faces, and your address if he catches you talking shit.

    • @blogofbored3224
      @blogofbored3224 4 года назад +19

      *absolutely nothing*

    • @kirbothepinkball1324
      @kirbothepinkball1324 4 года назад +5

      Wait what

    • @thejackinator3280
      @thejackinator3280 4 года назад +19

      BlogofBored : Araki forgets a lot.
      Also BlogofBored : Araki forgets nothing
      I guess BlogofBored forgets things as much as Araki

    • @blogofbored3224
      @blogofbored3224 4 года назад +5

      The Jackinator tru

    • @christmasgrinch4017
      @christmasgrinch4017 3 года назад +3

      @Killer Bean Star Platinum’s same type of stand as Made in Heaven and Bites the Dust
      /j

  • @babbit09
    @babbit09 5 лет назад +986

    Real talk, I feel bad for Santana. He was orphaned and kidnapped as a baby, then abandoned by his family's murderers/adopted "family," only to be stuck in his stone form for all eternity. Same fate as Kars essentially

    • @derushcore9514
      @derushcore9514 4 года назад +8

      Lol wait wtf are you talking about

    • @devyn.
      @devyn. 4 года назад +152

      @@derushcore9514 Santana? Have you watched jojo?

    • @ondururagittandeska2004
      @ondururagittandeska2004 3 года назад +52

      Except Kars Commited mass genocide and killed Santana and Wamuu's parents

    • @MediocreTasteTM
      @MediocreTasteTM 3 года назад +98

      @@ondururagittandeska2004 he literally said that

    • @ondururagittandeska2004
      @ondururagittandeska2004 3 года назад +8

      @@MediocreTasteTM Did He I had NOOO idea

  • @glubbsz
    @glubbsz 5 лет назад +4569

    They hated Hamon Beat because he told them the truth

  • @Nijwol707true
    @Nijwol707true 5 лет назад +500

    Straizo shows to visibly age and even has that be his motivation for rejecting his humanity, yet people think Joseph aging is a plot hole

    • @djmary6454
      @djmary6454 5 лет назад +54

      i think its a case of how quickly he aged compared to straizo and lisa lisa, which i just assumed the reason he aged faster then those 2 is b/c he just stop using it that much and both straizo and lisa lisa are dedicated hamon users who practice all the time so theyd see the anti aging part of hamon be more effective.
      Though that doesnt explain why part 4 joseph aged even faster then that since tompetty was like 100ish (if i remember right) when he trained zeppeli and 120ish during phantom blood and he barely aged even with the same logic of joseph slacking he shouldnt be a diaper grampa

    • @youssefsaad9277
      @youssefsaad9277 5 лет назад +68

      Mary popoe the reason other hamon users age less is because not only do they practice it regularly but also live full hamon lifestyles which dictates what they eat and how the live, think of it as some scummy pseudo enlightened lifestyle but actually real and on crack. Joseph is shown to be lazy and not dedicated enough to follow through with that. His aging process is slowed in part 3 because of hamon where he has the looks of an old man but his body is much stronger. He ages so fast in part 4 is probably because the more you age the faster the aging will take place especially if you dropped hamon completely because there was no other reason to have it. He did pick it back up in the end of part 4 to be able to raise the invisible baby. Also, Joseph is not completely senile in part 4 as there are moments were he talks like he used to in part 3 and I think he's faking it or doesn't care enough to try and talk normally all the time as he has accepted his age.

    • @djmary6454
      @djmary6454 5 лет назад +2

      @@youssefsaad9277 yeah didnt really think about the life style stuff outside of the training tbh since it doesnt make that big of a difference. but yeah joseph got hit by gravity hard since gravity is part of why we physically age

    • @romusa10
      @romusa10 5 лет назад +14

      @@youssefsaad9277 because the stone mask,vampire and dio are no more,thus theres no need to train his hamon,plus he drinks and eat junk food, and his most hated phrase are work hard

    • @Magnet_Chaos
      @Magnet_Chaos 5 лет назад +1

      @@romusa10
      There is a reason to train though. To keep that bod.

  • @4glte142
    @4glte142 5 лет назад +2463

    Can you address Kakyoin’s “ability” to harm people he made a painting of? Even though he’s clearly just using the painting to command Hierophant to attack Jotaro in that scene, people legitimately think that this is actually an ability that Araki forgot about.

    • @Langas_LVDC
      @Langas_LVDC 5 лет назад +385

      And it's hilarious when people think that.

    • @AkhKhetSahRenBaKaIbShutSekhem
      @AkhKhetSahRenBaKaIbShutSekhem 5 лет назад +585

      4G LTE It‘s even implied that Hierophant has the ability to turn invisible during the DIO‘s World Arc. This would explain how he managed to attack Jotaro without him seeing Hierophant. The painting was probably a stylistic choice to make the scene look more dramatic and cool in the Manga. If it weren‘t there then Kakyoin whould just stand there menacingly doing nothing. Not as cool as the painting.

    • @CrashBandicootFan100
      @CrashBandicootFan100 5 лет назад +316

      The painting and the puppet could've been just to divert people's attention and make the green power ranger shooting emeralds a bigger surprise, or probably explore "What stands could be". Since they basically are psychic powers, so using tools or something (like Ebony Devil and a puppet) could've been an initial idea.
      It's also probably a sign of "Kakyoin is being controlled, isn't being himself" and the way he fights and acts for the rest of the Part is a conscious effort to go against his first appearance.
      Araki also uses a lot of Tarot meanings in his character developing. Look up upright and reversed meanings of Tarot cards, explains a bunch of "plot-holes" like why DIO decided to sit on his ass for most of the Part.

    • @Radamor
      @Radamor 5 лет назад +108

      @@CrashBandicootFan100 Nice u bring up Tarrot, 'cause I noticed that a lot of ppl seem to think that cards are there 'cause it's epic or sth like that but characters and stands refer to cards for a reason

    • @pleasecallmedoku7215
      @pleasecallmedoku7215 5 лет назад +45

      In the OVA is show that it was a single tentacle who has more sense since we never saw him shooting a single emerald

  • @ultimateninjaboi
    @ultimateninjaboi 4 года назад +286

    Half of these are just "this character/item isnt a constant part of the story." Like... do people think every character that ever shows up needs to actively continue being part of the plotline until they die? Like... side characters are just not a thing to some people, i guess.

    • @ginogatash4030
      @ginogatash4030 4 года назад +20

      they don't have character permanence

  • @ewan231
    @ewan231 5 лет назад +623

    I honestly think that the ring 'plothole' is just fans being sad over a missed opportunity for Jonathan to propose to Erina with it.

    • @makzionut7096
      @makzionut7096 5 лет назад +22

      Why would you want to see that scene? Like it would not add anything to the plot, it wouldnt be interesting, fun, cute, it would just be there for fanservice. Jojo does not have many romance scenes why would Araki include this? There are only 2 kisses in Jojo and they are both forced. First one is Dio sexually assauting Erina and the second one, Dio wanting to suffocate Hot Pants.

    • @connorrose_0447
      @connorrose_0447 5 лет назад +1

      Makz Ionut woah when did that Diego scene happen?!

    • @mobius273
      @mobius273 5 лет назад +48

      @@makzionut7096 i think it would be cute.

    • @Solimonti
      @Solimonti 5 лет назад +37

      @@makzionut7096 but it would be nice narativly that Jonathan used the ring his father gave him to Erina, since they got married and did romancy stuff, most likely just not shown, and it would be a sweet moment

    • @inFERNo1976
      @inFERNo1976 5 лет назад +18

      @@makzionut7096 There was also the one scene with Koichi and Yukako in the Cinderella episode.

  • @FrMZTsarmiral
    @FrMZTsarmiral 5 лет назад +1527

    Alternate title: READ THE MANGA

    • @Lee-wb5yx
      @Lee-wb5yx 4 года назад +29

      this is a video about shaming anime only watcher smh

    • @DamageMaximo
      @DamageMaximo 4 года назад +51

      Manga readers be like: "yOu sHoUlD rEaD ThE MaNgA!!!"

    • @arthurreitz9540
      @arthurreitz9540 4 года назад +1

      RTFM

    • @whyfi8760
      @whyfi8760 4 года назад +18

      Mike Hawkizard imagine not being able to read in 2020 lol

    • @whyfi8760
      @whyfi8760 4 года назад +12

      Alexfc Nintendo imagine being illiterate with access to the internet

  • @MrLCGO
    @MrLCGO 5 лет назад +2239

    Broke: Araki forgot
    Woke: Fans forgot or didn't pay attention while reading/watching Jojo.

    • @francescolombardi3438
      @francescolombardi3438 5 лет назад +147

      Truly Woke: Fans forgot or didn't pay attention, while also pointing out that Araki isn't perfect, and he may retcon/change/rewrite the rules.
      It's like a Stand in itself: it EVOLVES

    • @mentalpopcorn2304
      @mentalpopcorn2304 5 лет назад +8

      Giornos stand and part 4 are the greatest examples of "araki forgot"
      I'm referring to part 4 because araki forgot jotaro existed as I'm pretty sure he'd be able to hear literal explosions when he's right around the corner

    • @monchete9934
      @monchete9934 5 лет назад +39

      Woke requiem: Realizing that Araki, like almost every other comic/manga writer, retcons a lot

    • @filipbabovic8474
      @filipbabovic8474 5 лет назад +5

      @@mentalpopcorn2304 If you are reffering to life shot power it was still there just no specifically shown like in the fight with bucciarati.

    • @sono1951
      @sono1951 5 лет назад +19

      @@monchete9934 actually no , there is a lot of good Manga writers that actually give a shit and that are consistant with there story telling. Stop giving excuses to Araki and accept the criticism or else he won't get better. We'll end up with more part 8s .

  • @ZefVolk
    @ZefVolk 3 года назад +238

    "Will Zeppeli demonstrates hamon by punching a frog..."
    A perfectly normal thing in the world of Jojo.

    • @mamoru_zombie
      @mamoru_zombie 3 года назад +18

      Some italian demonstrates the making of some type of meat by punching a frog, not harming him in the process, and breaking stone under it using the power of sun.
      Yep, sounds completely normal and relatable

    • @TheBlandestGuy
      @TheBlandestGuy 3 года назад +32

      @@mamoru_zombie another italian uses a frog as a phone, so yes, it is normal.

    • @P0PG03S
      @P0PG03S 2 года назад +11

      @@TheBlandestGuy frogs are the ultimate stands

    • @Magi_H2U
      @Magi_H2U Год назад +4

      A mafioso that once used a frog as a shield against attackers would agree with this statement.

  • @George-vf6st
    @George-vf6st 3 года назад +234

    Like half of these amount to "Araki forgot to do shitty fanfic tier writing"

  • @beatsbyelvis6890
    @beatsbyelvis6890 4 года назад +435

    weird that fans of a story with such strong continuity has such a strong focus on plotholes. there are so many work of fictions with actual plotholes and nobody seems to give a shit.

    • @aayushpatel6471
      @aayushpatel6471 4 года назад +84

      Exactly.a lot of these araki forgot moments are nitpicks at best

    • @fuckk-popandtiktok3388
      @fuckk-popandtiktok3388 4 года назад +36

      hxh has a lot of plotholes the fantards ignore

    • @D_YellowMadness
      @D_YellowMadness 3 года назад +49

      I think a big part of it is that they get too excited about the idea of finding a plot hole because Araki's so good at avoiding them that it's like a treasure hunt.

    • @daveshusband2606
      @daveshusband2606 3 года назад +9

      Demon slayer has a fuck ton of plot holes and nobody cares

    • @popcultureoverdosed
      @popcultureoverdosed 3 года назад +3

      @@D_YellowMadness Araki creates tons of plot holes

  • @landonhamilton2882
    @landonhamilton2882 3 года назад +102

    “The ring will come back in some way” man I wasn’t even attentive enough to know that Jonathan’s dad had a ring

  • @Apple-fj4bu
    @Apple-fj4bu 5 лет назад +260

    WOAH more like HAMON BEAT forgot
    ARE WE GONNA SKIP THE FACT THAT ARAKI LET A DOG LIVE IN PART 2?

    • @SuperPeterok
      @SuperPeterok 4 года назад +18

      That was Kars

    • @shane4429
      @shane4429 3 года назад +59

      @@SuperPeterok kars let the dog live so araki punished him by making him freeze in space for all of eternity

    • @DestructiveDan1
      @DestructiveDan1 3 года назад +2

      @@shane4429 fax

    • @andrewlance3898
      @andrewlance3898 3 года назад +12

      Don't forget Police in Part 4. He only lives because Koichi is a reliable guy

    • @yesno8273
      @yesno8273 3 года назад +10

      i am literally shaking and crying rn the AUDACITY of araki to not murder dogs

  • @artskalp8488
    @artskalp8488 5 лет назад +447

    2:37
    "Extremely Minor Moment"
    Church of Speedwagon: What i'm about to say may go against Hamon Beat's teachings

    • @cavvaldiv5536
      @cavvaldiv5536 4 года назад +6

      Is it bad that I know exactly what this is talking about without clicking the timecode😂

  • @GoGoveller9088
    @GoGoveller9088 5 лет назад +165

    1:11 "Hamon will be unable to kill them as long as they are stoned"
    So the ancient gods of fitness are also the ancient gods of stoners

    • @vogonp4287
      @vogonp4287 3 года назад +21

      You are saying that Kars got too high?

    • @HAA400
      @HAA400 3 года назад +4

      @@vogonp4287 u could also say that wammu and essidissi got too hot

    • @Cobalt985
      @Cobalt985 2 года назад +7

      hamon is just taking really big bong hits continuously and that's why you need to train

    • @JohnnysBrainfart4372
      @JohnnysBrainfart4372 2 года назад

      I read stoned/stoners as boned/boners.

    • @captainzoltan7737
      @captainzoltan7737 2 года назад

      I think that's what pisses people off. The fact that Speedwagon explains simple obvious shit people already know, but then unclear stuff isn't really explained at all. Alot of these "akari forgot" points I agree are stupid, but I do think some of them weren't explained well in the anime.

  • @Legomicroman
    @Legomicroman 5 лет назад +901

    Rest of JoJo Fanbase: "Araki forgot."
    Hamon Beat: *NO NO NO*

    • @skye387
      @skye387 5 лет назад +13

      I thought a lot of people said that as a meme rather than actually believe that Araki actually forgot?

    • @danieln6613
      @danieln6613 5 лет назад +5

      While Spice Girl appears behind him and wags her finger

    • @klutzspecter3470
      @klutzspecter3470 5 лет назад +1

      Remember when spice girl with set up to be a useful stand but it literally useless until the plot calls until she’s useful.

    • @Legomicroman
      @Legomicroman 5 лет назад +13

      @@klutzspecter3470
      bro, do you even sentence?

    • @klutzspecter3470
      @klutzspecter3470 5 лет назад

      Yudron Micros “bro, do you even sentence?” Sorry, I can’t fathom the context of this sentence and it’s grammatical errors. Could you restate your question with grammatical corrections?

  • @darksonicyt5430
    @darksonicyt5430 5 лет назад +830

    “Araki forgot about Kars”
    Me: My brain has stopped thinking

  • @doppio7368
    @doppio7368 5 лет назад +1021

    Wait, IS POCOLOCO A ALTERNATE UNIVERSE COUNTERPART OF POCO?

  • @alejandrobolin5224
    @alejandrobolin5224 5 лет назад +282

    The ring one specially bugs me: "I thought it was going to be used later when Jonathan proposes to Erina and it was going to be passed from generation to generation" as if that ever happens in life. It was just a minor plot point that was never given that much weight, and then that guy just goes with his "no, it's just lazy writing", no it is not, it's putting your priorities in your story and knowing what's actually important and what isn't, not every single goddamn plot point is important.

    • @CTHD13
      @CTHD13 5 лет назад +64

      Bolin's Show To be fair, one of the show’s central themes is bloodlines, and carrying tradition from generation to generation. The ring would have fit nicely with this.
      Is it lazy writing that it wasn’t used? Nah, who cares

    • @otroweonllamadoseba
      @otroweonllamadoseba 4 года назад +5

      What if the ring went in Joseph's cut arm?

  • @ethanchoi7036
    @ethanchoi7036 3 года назад +150

    Araki: And Kars is never to be seen again.
    Fans: ArAKi fOrgOt AbOut kA-
    Araki: NEVER. TO. BE. FUCKING. SEEN. AGAIN!

  • @mattwo7
    @mattwo7 2 года назад +71

    5:51 Isn't "So eventually, Kars stopped thinking" literally one of the most famous lines from Jojo's?

  • @alexplayer77
    @alexplayer77 5 лет назад +264

    I feel like you missed the 'Araki forgot' about how Straizo and Joseph aged, unlike Will And Lisa Lisa. People always forget about Tompetty who was already old, and even died of old age between Parts 1 and 2, also the fact that Straizo in part 2 and Joseph in part 3 are way older, in their late 60s, than Will and Lisa Lisa who were 50.

    • @Hamon_Beat
      @Hamon_Beat  5 лет назад +119

      Gonna bring it up in the Part 3 video when I talk about Old Joseph.

    • @JMBoote1
      @JMBoote1 5 лет назад +111

      The reason for Joseph is pretty clear-cut, to be honest. He didn't keep up with his Hamon training. He was always a slacker, and only really learned Hamon properly when it became life/world-threatening. That, and he saw what constant Hamon training does to a person, and wanted to live and grow old with Suzi Q like a normal man would.

    • @theraymunator
      @theraymunator 5 лет назад +11

      I think it was xForts who explained that is because Hamon training is what prevents it's practicioners from aging, not Hamon itself. Besides, at 50 years people don't actually look that old.

    • @francescolombardi3438
      @francescolombardi3438 5 лет назад +2

      @@JMBoote1And be honest, if you were in your 80s looking like your 50-60ish, people would call bull

    • @Magnet_Chaos
      @Magnet_Chaos 5 лет назад +5

      To be fair. We don't know how old Tompetty was.

  • @beenis08
    @beenis08 5 лет назад +584

    "Araki forgot" = the reader forgot

    • @bandin0109
      @bandin0109 3 года назад +11

      yes

    • @user-tk6wf2rc5i
      @user-tk6wf2rc5i 3 года назад +5

      Fax

    • @milestone1719
      @milestone1719 3 года назад +3

      Absolutely.

    • @saladman3915
      @saladman3915 3 года назад +9

      Most of the times its fuckers who think they know a lot about JJBA by only watching clips on YT

    • @wendel8296
      @wendel8296 3 года назад +2

      my man polnareff was nerfed at the amazing level remember when he could take off the silver chariot armor to get fast enough to create afterimages? i know araki forgot because after ONE fight scene it's totally ignored or better forgotten, i mean it's not like polnareff died for a guy who said he could die with an accurate attack and who for a few seconds of difference was left with the arm bleeding like hell

  • @AmanojakuPenguin
    @AmanojakuPenguin 5 лет назад +489

    Nice, those "where character go do Araki forget?" type questions are always annoying, as if we need to see every single action of every single character at all times. Better to leave some characters' futures up to the imagination than bloat the series with "Oh and x, y, z and aa did this, that, blah blah blah"

    • @emotionalguidanc3205
      @emotionalguidanc3205 5 лет назад +15

      The Insane Penguin I’m more Annoyed by the fugone meme

    • @m.huseinaqilah1717
      @m.huseinaqilah1717 5 лет назад +8

      Yeah so Jotaro piped Anne.....

    • @benjaminborkowski12
      @benjaminborkowski12 5 лет назад +49

      dude i NEED to know what happened to the fat police officer at the Begging of part 2, Araki forgot about him smh

    • @m.huseinaqilah1717
      @m.huseinaqilah1717 5 лет назад +42

      @@benjaminborkowski12 what about that cactus man from part 2 he's my favorite character but Araki forgot smh my dude.

    • @onyx7ven10en5
      @onyx7ven10en5 5 лет назад +36

      a DOOR text overedited to perfection y’all asking unimportant questions y’all need to ask what happened to the guys carrying dio’s coffin at the end of part 1 they had such an impact on the story but Araki just forget about them, they all could’ve been the villains of part 4

  • @gibbs1716
    @gibbs1716 4 года назад +99

    I feel like most people knew about the clackers getting broken, but the intro in the anime shows them a lot and puts too much emphasis on them when they really only matter for like 2 scenes

  • @makzionut7096
    @makzionut7096 5 лет назад +417

    Another thing that bugs me is "Araki forgot no one can just deflect the emerald splash". First of all, Jotaro is the first stand user Kakyoyin fights so he had no way of knowing it coulf not be deflected. He was under DIO's control and was cocky. Additionally, that statement is only to show Star Platinums strength. Aside from SP ,the only stand that deflects the emerald splash is the world, the same stand as SP. The other enemies only dodge it and the sun did not deflect it, it just was not affected since its a sun.

    • @threefingerdeathpunch4259
      @threefingerdeathpunch4259 5 лет назад +62

      Plus that's only on the dub

    • @juanjobj3
      @juanjobj3 5 лет назад +11

      no one can just deflect the emerald splash

    • @FelipePalha66
      @FelipePalha66 5 лет назад +4

      I always wonder if emerald splash actually created real emeralds

    • @weshannum4961
      @weshannum4961 5 лет назад +18

      also the fact that what a character says isnt always the truth

    • @DissedRedEngie
      @DissedRedEngie 5 лет назад

      *redacted*

  • @munchwad
    @munchwad 5 лет назад +101

    A lot of "Araki Forgot"-moments are actually cases of "Araki changed his mind".

  • @bunnizamy
    @bunnizamy 5 лет назад +469

    "Your uninformed observation does not make you smarter than the media you consume. It just means you weren't paying attention" - Lindsay Ellis

  • @squeaphily7325
    @squeaphily7325 3 года назад +57

    For all the people who are like : "oh dio said that hermit purple is the weakest but then he says survivor is the weakest!!!"
    Every time Dio appears in part 6, it's before he even said that hermit purple was the weakest stand

    • @4quatic_r0se
      @4quatic_r0se 3 года назад +25

      And also Dio says it as an insult not as fact

    • @crystalalumina
      @crystalalumina 3 года назад +27

      Yeah, it was literally a mocking, I doubt DIO would go like "Joseph Joestar, your stand could be considered weak, even tho stands are not exactly sorted by their damage ratio, but rather how the user makes use of their abilities" no Jesus, DIO literally wanted to kill Joseph, not sit down and talk about stands with him.

    • @jadoc3767
      @jadoc3767 Год назад +14

      @@crystalalumina imagine DIO sitting down Joseph on a rooftop in Egypt telling him why his stand is weak, with scientific evidence.

    • @christophersamueldearlysih262
      @christophersamueldearlysih262 3 месяца назад

      @@jadoc3767 Dio: Joseph Joestar... your stand is weak! Because you see, based on my calculations your stand has the least attack ratio of every stand in this series! The best thing your shitty stand can do is break stuff for a picture of my elegant body! Which is perhaps why you are never included in almost any fights and is just there to just say your stupid catchphrase!

  • @HayatoStarGod
    @HayatoStarGod 5 лет назад +254

    It seems that a lot of "Araki Forgot" Situations can be explain by *READING THE MANGO*

    • @DERyuga
      @DERyuga 5 лет назад +8

      I read the manga and still feel like there are a lot of moments that could have been portrayed or written better. Like what the hell is up with all the weird ass analogies and metaphors this manga uses? There are a lot of unnecessary moments that are in the show that do make it very "jojo's" but most of the time on subsequent viewings they feel even more unnecessary than before.

    • @alexwagner23
      @alexwagner23 5 лет назад +3

      Wamms Shadow

    • @menchacism5327
      @menchacism5327 5 лет назад +13

      The mango?

    • @lCore17
      @lCore17 5 лет назад +14

      Or simply paying attention.

    • @rienafaire9286
      @rienafaire9286 5 лет назад +1

      @@alexwagner23 it's was used again in the shiza vs wamm .

  • @theace.8991
    @theace.8991 5 лет назад +130

    In Part 3 Polnareff and Kakyoin are shrinking their stands to help Joseph, the reason that isn't used anymore is because it consumes a large amount of stand energy and the users needs to be calm

    • @petruciosxd1374
      @petruciosxd1374 5 лет назад +58

      It happens again briefly in part 5 and part 8.
      While Moody Blues is playing Narancia going into the pipe inside the pipe, Abacchio reverts Moody Blues back to its original form, but since Moody Blues wouldn't fit it untransforms at a smaller size.
      Yoshikage Kira (Joestar) uses Killer Queen sends miniature Sheer Heart Attacks into a blood vessel.

    • @adrianandusiak3249
      @adrianandusiak3249 5 лет назад +33

      Plus I do not think that shrinking stand is extremely useful. Of course it has its uses, but people who mention it act as if it was an extremely op ability.

    • @THEDeathWizard87
      @THEDeathWizard87 5 лет назад +14

      That and there’s just no other scenario in which shrinking your stand would be useful

    • @derrilazkia1002
      @derrilazkia1002 5 лет назад +15

      It's also the same reason why we don't get SUTAA FINGGAAA anymore.
      Stabbing people with your 1m finger isn't exactly smart when you can punch them to oblivion.

    • @afif5496
      @afif5496 5 лет назад +2

      Also they have no reason to use it again

  • @Harrinsain
    @Harrinsain 5 лет назад +302

    Thank god someone is finally taking the initiative to set things straight here

    • @punkblooky9955
      @punkblooky9955 5 лет назад +20

      they're being set straizo

    • @sono1951
      @sono1951 5 лет назад +2

      Try to defend stand physics shit weed

    • @klutzspecter3470
      @klutzspecter3470 5 лет назад +3

      So No? Try to defend fantasy physics my dude.

    • @Harrinsain
      @Harrinsain 5 лет назад +2

      @So No? what? No need to be aggressive, dude

    • @sono1951
      @sono1951 5 лет назад +5

      @@klutzspecter3470 its set in real life using real physics . araki tries to use real physics nonstop thats why i complained about it. he uses tries to use physics like a genuis but doesnt know what real physics is. he gets his information off of snapple caps.

  • @Rincewindl
    @Rincewindl 3 года назад +32

    "Another thing people bring up is the motiviation of Straizo" ARE YOU KIDDING ME HE LITERALLY SAYS IT.

  • @ceos1389
    @ceos1389 5 лет назад +118

    I always thought that Santana was killed by the Speedwagon Foundation and then they used that information to rebuild Stroheim and the weapons that they used in the final battle, since Stroheim already knew how to harm and kill Kars

    • @threefingerdeathpunch4259
      @threefingerdeathpunch4259 5 лет назад +36

      You fool GERMAN SCIENCE IS THE BEST IN ZA WORLDO, THEM AMERICANS COLDNT BUILD A BODY THAT GOOD IN 100 DECADES

    • @nazaiiz5081
      @nazaiiz5081 5 лет назад +3

      @@threefingerdeathpunch4259 Sekai ichi!!!

    • @stef__an
      @stef__an 5 лет назад +1

      @@nazaiiz5081 Ah jeez- what the hell!

    • @potato_nugget
      @potato_nugget 5 лет назад +3

      why would the speedwagon foundation help the nazis? and if they did why couldn't they use that information to save kakyoin?

    • @stef__an
      @stef__an 5 лет назад +4

      @@potato_nugget kakyoin was dead when the Speedwagon foundation got there, he died of blood loss really quickly

  • @notvex3987
    @notvex3987 3 года назад +45

    "Akari forgot about kars"
    Yes because we didnt see Kars get flung to space like an unwanted child at the end of part 2

  • @kristofgriffin384
    @kristofgriffin384 3 года назад +35

    I think what people mean by "Araki forgot about Kars" is that Kars is never mentioned again, mostly because he was influential in the creation of the stone masks, thus being responsible for Dio becoming a vampire. However, though not directly mentioned, Joseph does mention the fight with Kars when Polnareff asks him about his prosthetic hand.

  • @LunarOverdrive
    @LunarOverdrive 4 года назад +174

    OMG!!!1!1! THEY SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT BACC CaRz BY HAVING HIM BEING HIT BY THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATIONO IN PART6 FLINGING HIM BACK DONW 2 ERTH!111!!! smh araki forgot

    • @datpoyo4900
      @datpoyo4900 4 года назад +16

      Imagine C-Moon Accidentally attracting Karz back to Earth and now Jolyne and Pucci has to deal With his Bullshit

    • @Crabgar
      @Crabgar 4 года назад +13

      @@datpoyo4900 he's been floating in space for 70 years at that point, he got shot out of orbit so he's probably floating next to jupiter now

    • @christmasgrinch4017
      @christmasgrinch4017 3 года назад

      @@Crabgar Jupiter is really far away, I don’t think Kars would be able to get there because floating rocks have slow speed.

    • @DanielFerreira-ez8qd
      @DanielFerreira-ez8qd 3 года назад

      @@Crabgar It's probably much less, he got just barely enough speed to leave orbit, so I'd guess he's closer than that

    • @daveshusband2606
      @daveshusband2606 3 года назад

      @@Crabgar I'd guess hes still in orbit, cuz time flows way faster in space than earth, so 70 years on earth would be like 1/2 years in space, maybe more but you get the point, also planets are extremely far apart, so it's impossible for him to even he close to Mars or Venus

  • @sirius6738
    @sirius6738 5 лет назад +57

    Poco was the one who told DIO about heaven and Santana was sent by Valentine in the SBR universe to became the first rock human

  • @JFLEstudios
    @JFLEstudios 5 лет назад +143

    Wait what?! Wired Beck destroyed Joseph's Clacker Volleys? While I personally never cared that much that Joseph didn't use them again, I completely forgot about that! Was that only in the manga? (Haven't rewatched the P2 Anime in a long time tho)
    Edit: I just rewatched that scene and YES it's also in the anime. It's funny how people always complain about Araki forgetting things when they clearly are the ones who forget stuff.

    • @m.huseinaqilah1717
      @m.huseinaqilah1717 5 лет назад +3

      Bro.... You realize he can make another one?

    • @thomasknight1726
      @thomasknight1726 5 лет назад +35

      Wh-how? where would he get the materials, the tools to carve clacker balls, the time since he goes right into the Wham fight with only a short detour to get the stone?

    • @derrilazkia1002
      @derrilazkia1002 5 лет назад +54

      @@m.huseinaqilah1717 Man, my funky balls weapon that isn't effective against my enemies got destroyed easily...
      Should i make a new one?

    • @offbrandbleach2604
      @offbrandbleach2604 5 лет назад +8

      @@m.huseinaqilah1717 Please explain to me how tf can you make effective steel clackers on the fly.

    • @m.huseinaqilah1717
      @m.huseinaqilah1717 5 лет назад

      @@derrilazkia1002 bro.... Part 3 exist?

  • @westide3050
    @westide3050 5 лет назад +223

    Araki doesn't forget, he simply changes the story to best make it entertaining for people to read.

  • @WaveyDavey645
    @WaveyDavey645 4 года назад +29

    4:09 I think given how common 'a minor character being overconfident leads to their death' is in fiction nowadays, it makes modern readers expect Santana to come back. Seriously, I can't think of many other situations where noname characters get to laugh about having a villain captured without being horrifically murdered shortly after.

  • @deadpoolrockz6410
    @deadpoolrockz6410 5 лет назад +130

    I entirely support this video, mainly because I find most plot holes to exist mainly due to the audience/readers to either fail to use their own minds to form their own conclusions or expect every single detail to be spoon fed to them. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but we can't always expect the writer to explain everything and instead we must think and use our brains to better understand them ourselves via commen sense and use of context clues.

    • @YaMamasAss
      @YaMamasAss 5 лет назад +16

      You're completely right though. Shuckmeister is easily one of the biggest people online that kinda furthers that attitude. The dude rides high and mighty on his opinions.

    • @umcaraqualquer3640
      @umcaraqualquer3640 5 лет назад +17

      @@YaMamasAss Often entirely wrong and illogical opinions which can be shut down in seconds...
      IMO, Shuckmeister is one of the biggest problems in the JoJo community. His humor and stop motions are cool, but most of his content regarding the story is horrible, and spreads misinformation everywhere.

    • @YaMamasAss
      @YaMamasAss 5 лет назад +21

      @@umcaraqualquer3640 His content when it comes to actual story content is terrible. Just legit bad. He gets stuff wrong, constantly talks about it from his opinion and massive love for SBR that he thinks every other part needs to compete with for some reason, and just kinda circlejerks the idea that things are forgotten and never brought up. Even when they have entire reasons as to them not showing up.

    • @umcaraqualquer3640
      @umcaraqualquer3640 5 лет назад +5

      @@YaMamasAss True. He's the one who popularized most of the "Araki Forgot" shit we see nowadays.
      Also, Steel Ball Run is, indeed, the best Part of JoJo, but for fuck's sake no one needs to hear that every single minute.

    • @DERyuga
      @DERyuga 5 лет назад +2

      I think people overestimate how much audiences NEED to be spoon fed though. Visual storytelling needs to communicate things in SECONDS so the story doesnt slow down. Thats what makes jojo's a bit of a harder read because if you look away for a second sometimes you can miss something, or the way emphasis works in this series can be bonkers. Thats why people have the complaints that they do, though arguably a lot of them are very nitpicky and annoying/wrong.

  • @angrypepe7615
    @angrypepe7615 4 года назад +37

    2:55 this is proof that people are actually this dense and not everyone who says araki forgot aren't just joking I especially hate the guy at the bottom who says its LAZY to not expand on a tiny detail that I completely forgot about. The ring was just a symbol of Mary joestar and nothing else I find it absurd that people actually expected anything from it.

  • @KotoCrash
    @KotoCrash 5 лет назад +41

    The issue is once something turns into a joke, people start desperately looking for examples. The ring and Poco are perfect examples, theres no indication they need to be followed up on.

  • @JcadeH1
    @JcadeH1 4 года назад +97

    So you're telling me speedwagon's super naturally chiseled abs dont have super natural powers. Yeah ok buddy

  • @eduardobarros3986
    @eduardobarros3986 5 лет назад +35

    Clearly Araki was planning for Poco to go on an voyage alone to the himalayas after his adventure with Johnathan, becoming a super buff hamon master and helping the group against Dio.
    *B U T A R A K I F O R G O T*
    /jk

  • @doornumb
    @doornumb 5 лет назад +65

    When Jotaro said "No stand power can revive a man." or something like that, It was before part 5 came out. Jotaro didn't knew Giorno's stand. The scene when Jotaro heals Joseph, he used DIO's Joestar blood and used Star Platinum to pump his heart.

    • @lCore17
      @lCore17 5 лет назад +23

      Bruno wasn't "revived" he got zombified, if you account the time window part 5 takes place he probably got a day or two of undeath, which he used to the fullest as he did not need to sleep, by the time we get to the colosseum his body is already failing, he only gets extra time by changing into a healthy Diavolo.

    • @nappy9987
      @nappy9987 5 лет назад +7

      @@lCore17 Didnt he lose his eyesight and began failing to walk as well?

    • @PlankDot
      @PlankDot 5 лет назад +6

      @@nappy9987 yep. At that point Bruno could only see the souls of people.

    • @nappy9987
      @nappy9987 5 лет назад +2

      @@PlankDot so ya he wasnt revived his body was dead his souls was just guiding him on sheer will power until the body gave in.

    • @cavvaldiv5536
      @cavvaldiv5536 4 года назад

      Yeah Jotaro could have just been wrong. I mean who tf is this guy anyway 🤣
      Also, if any stand could bring back the dead it would be Gold Experience with its literal life ability.

  • @it6647
    @it6647 Год назад +11

    0:44-Hamon vs Stones
    1:34-Hamon healing
    2:00-Dire situation
    2:40-Speedwagon is hot
    2:51-George's ring
    3:29-Minor characters
    3:56-Santana as a rock
    4:24-Joseph's Clackers
    4:35-Santana's name
    5:13-Straizo's motivation
    5:50-Araki forgotters stopped thinking

  • @wordsoflove8787
    @wordsoflove8787 5 лет назад +118

    Love how Shuck called you out calling your videos "passive aggressive" when in reality all you're doing is cleaning up the mess he made thanks to his fans taking his memes literally. Your vid's are great in giving Araki the credit he deserves.

    • @MrLCGO
      @MrLCGO 5 лет назад +47

      Even in that video he keeps giving misinformation lmao

    • @uhoh6706
      @uhoh6706 5 лет назад +40

      Even then he still said that Caesars mistranslation of “Hamon doesn’t work through rock” is an Araki forgot moment lol

    • @MrLCGO
      @MrLCGO 5 лет назад +63

      @@uhoh6706 Dude, he said changing styles mid part 4 is an Araki forgot... How? Do he seriously believe Araki one day literally just forgot how to draw the old way and just changed styles or what?

    • @st8vie282
      @st8vie282 4 года назад +3

      Regardless he is generally passive aggressive I like his videos and agree with him but he sounds like a twat

    • @TheLeagueofLegendsTv
      @TheLeagueofLegendsTv 3 года назад +2

      It's the first Video I watched of this guy right here and I can tell you this is slight passive aggressiveness, assertiveness

  • @uhthatcanine860
    @uhthatcanine860 5 лет назад +86

    Anime jojo fan:”araki forgot”
    Hamon Beat: *THE MANGA*

    • @PauloJrchannel
      @PauloJrchannel 5 лет назад +15

      「The Manga」 is Hamon Beat's Stand.

    • @averagecat4220
      @averagecat4220 4 года назад +4

      Paulo Jr.
      Stand user: Hamon Beat
      Stand name: The Manga
      Stand ability: The Manga has the ability to prove viewers of the anime Jojo's Bizarre Adventure that what they call: "Araki forgot moments" are in fact, that Araki didn't forget, but that the viewers in fact, were the ones who forgot.

    • @sol8449
      @sol8449 4 года назад +2

      _Za Manga_ has stats that consists of all As

    • @jabariwiththebois5765
      @jabariwiththebois5765 4 года назад +2

      @@averagecat4220 Shouldn't the ability of the Manga be to prove that Araki didn't forget but actually the people who made the anime adaptation made a mistake?? Because in those cases the fans didn't forget they just went with what they had seen...

  • @robertwoods3871
    @robertwoods3871 4 года назад +22

    Watching this series really makes me appreciate what an absolute mad genius Araki really is

  • @badlandschugsnumber1fan123
    @badlandschugsnumber1fan123 5 лет назад +47

    About speedwagon:
    How come he didn’t fight dio since CLEARLY he’s the strongest in the whole manga/anime

    • @diegodankquixote-wry3242
      @diegodankquixote-wry3242 5 лет назад +18

      The same reason why jesus/Dire didn't kill dio with the split thunder cross attack: it was not his battle to fight.

    • @mcgoldenblade4765
      @mcgoldenblade4765 5 лет назад +1

      @@diegodankquixote-wry3242 it's a joke

    • @diegodankquixote-wry3242
      @diegodankquixote-wry3242 5 лет назад +10

      @@mcgoldenblade4765 yes and I added to the joke. What about you huh?

    • @mcgoldenblade4765
      @mcgoldenblade4765 5 лет назад

      @@diegodankquixote-wry3242 i dunno. I didn't really think it was funny.

    • @stale_cheeto
      @stale_cheeto 5 лет назад +1

      Funny.

  • @Onyxolotl
    @Onyxolotl Год назад +13

    Araki forgot about the rock Johnathan picked up after getting healed with Hamon, that rock was very moved by the sight of such a mystical power and based on his dialogue he was clearly being set up to join the group after Johnathan's training was complete.

  • @lukebazin5836
    @lukebazin5836 5 лет назад +195

    Finally a man to beat shuckmeister

    • @DERyuga
      @DERyuga 5 лет назад +38

      honestly it doesnt take much, Shuckmeister can be a little annoying. Scrub for Hire is where it's at

    • @laurencebetteridge8633
      @laurencebetteridge8633 5 лет назад +7

      @@DERyuga
      Completely agree, had to unsub recently because it was a little too much, I don't dislike him but his content's just so sub par

    • @thebariobro7664
      @thebariobro7664 5 лет назад +1

      I'ma just say that he seems to regret those videos and as seen in a few tweets. Can't say anything about him making a third one besides him seeming to take it as a joke.

    • @lukebazin5836
      @lukebazin5836 5 лет назад +6

      @@thebariobro7664 then why does he still endorse them in other vids

    • @thebariobro7664
      @thebariobro7664 5 лет назад

      @@lukebazin5836 which one? I'm not actually sure I only remember him saying he'll make a new one.

  • @givlupi2686
    @givlupi2686 5 лет назад +109

    I was expecting this to be "well achkyually [complicated theory that was obviously not intended by araki]". Good job not doing that.

    • @DamageMaximo
      @DamageMaximo 4 года назад +2

      oddly specific but ok

    • @MediocreTasteTM
      @MediocreTasteTM 3 года назад +16

      @@DamageMaximo not really, they thought he was going to explain away all of these with weird theories and not actual evidence that they weren't forgotten. It was hella general and a common trope in fandoms

  • @Mario-ps1hu
    @Mario-ps1hu 5 лет назад +39

    I was waiting for this video patiently!

  • @BlueThing64
    @BlueThing64 4 года назад +27

    A lot of these seem to just be people expecting things to happen that don’t.

  • @karatesan2120
    @karatesan2120 5 лет назад +17

    It seems to me that so many "Araki forgot" moments are caused by everybody thinking everything is foreshadowing or never accepting how things end, EVERYTHING needs to be brought back and EVERYTHING is something fo the future. For example, Josuke's savior, which people thought it had to be future Josuke, which didn't make sense in comparison to just being a nice man, or Gold Experience's making senses go wild ability, which just never has a chance to appear again because Giorno never delivers an individual punch in his fights, since Cioccolata or Diavolo got beatdowns. Even "No One can Deflect the Emerald Slpash™" is a misconception, funny jokes, but Star Platinum and The World were the only to actually deflect it rather than dodge it. A lot these misconceptions are literally explained either in the manga or the anime but "no, that has to be extremely important, if not, the author misused the potential". Thank you for this
    Btw: I legit couldn't deal with Anne any longer, so I'm glad 'araki forgot' about her.

    • @IncredibleMD
      @IncredibleMD 5 лет назад +3

      Speaking of Anne, Araki totally forgot to name her.

  • @Smarackto
    @Smarackto 5 лет назад +23

    finally someone mentions the " hamon has no effect on stone" thing ...Even IF that were true william zeppeli clearly kept the frog hamon induced to not harm it while it transfers its punch. even in their own "unlogic" they would still be wrong.

  • @tubesurfer8625
    @tubesurfer8625 4 года назад +15

    From my perspective a lot of the araki forgot’s were less that araki forgot and more that he has a habit of sometimes loading one too many bullets in a Chekhov’s gun, a thing fulfils it’s purpose and people want more

  • @formerctgovernordannelmall1452
    @formerctgovernordannelmall1452 5 лет назад +9

    Hi Hamon Beat, I really love your content and this series of videos. I've never had a problem with these supposed "Araki forgot" moments. However, there's one detail from Part 1 that you didn't mention that's always bugged me a bit. I've only watched the anime, so perhaps this misunderstanding stems from a dissimilarity between the manga and the DP adaptation:
    After Jonathan, Speedwagon and Poco meet Zeppeli's fellow Hamon monks (Straizo, Dire, and Tonpetty), they are shown to be quite a distance from Dio's castle. Now, spacial perception has been inconsistent/stylistically altered many times before in Jojo's, but this doesn't strike me as one of those instances. So, with how much time the entire crew was together before they faced Dio, I find it a bit hard to believe that NONE of the three who witnessed the earlier battle with Dio didn't bring up the threat of his flash freezing ability. It's the one factor Dio had that he could use to truly protect himself from Hamon, and it was this unexpected factor that stopped even Zeppeli from hurting him. Yet, when the battle with Dio starts, Dire jumps straight in for an attack that would inevitably leave him wide open to being frozen.
    Now, with all of the very stressful events going on, maybe a detail like this might have slipped up. Maybe Jonathan and Speedwagon were so focused and intense from Zeppeli's tragic death that they were distracted from being able to properly plan. Maybe on their journey to Dio's castle, they were ambushed repeatedly by zombies (not unreasonable, considering they ran into a zombie before reaching town). Being in constant expectation of an ambush would certainly be distracting.
    Because it doesn't really defy any of the events that occur, I wouldn't call this a plothole. However, this still might be a case of Araki Forgot

  • @formerctgovernordannelmall1452
    @formerctgovernordannelmall1452 5 лет назад +16

    I have a question about Kars; I’m not bringing up potential plot holes or anything, but we all know Araki loves his poetic scenarios. I was wondering if anybody else thought that Kars’ last ditch effort to use air jets to bring himself back to earth, only to have them freeze, was Karma getting back at Kars for betraying Wammu’s pride as a warrior.
    If Wammu had seen the way Kars fought Lisa Lisa, he surely wouldn’t have approved (even if he wouldn’t have fought Kars on the matter). So after betraying his own companion’s spirit, he doesn’t get to use his abilities to save his ass.
    Ironically, if Kars WAS gonna rip off one of his friend’s abilities to save himself, it would have been much smarter to try to use Ecidici’s Boiling Blood and THEN use Wammu’s air jets

  • @BlackSalamander439
    @BlackSalamander439 5 лет назад +56

    Why do people care about plot holes in Part 1&2 when there’s Speedwagon?

    • @rishit_gandash
      @rishit_gandash 3 года назад

      Beauty lies in the eyes of the watcher

  • @sethtruesdale1848
    @sethtruesdale1848 5 лет назад +11

    for the clackers thing, um wasn't the only reason he got them in the first place to one up ceaser? After seeing ceaser weaponize soap, Joseph wanted to show him up by weaponizing something even more ridiculous, like a childrens toy? So of course he was never going to really rely on them in the first place, he just grabbed them without thinking but it ended up working somehow

  • @mithmoonwalker
    @mithmoonwalker 4 года назад +279

    jojo fans: smokey did nothing
    smokey: *becomes president in part 3*
    edit: HOLRY SHEET i was not expecting this comment to blow up, thank you for the apreciation

    • @Lee-wb5yx
      @Lee-wb5yx 4 года назад +17

      @JOSHUA BEYER Idk bout you but I heard being the President is pretty hard

    • @TheEliasSmellious
      @TheEliasSmellious 4 года назад +50

      He became the first black mayor in the town, I’d say thats a hella good feat

    • @Chrxmeheartzz
      @Chrxmeheartzz 4 года назад +19

      He didn’t become president he became the first African american Mayor in nyc

    • @chocov1233
      @chocov1233 4 года назад +6

      @@Chrxmeheartzz *Atlanta, Georgia.

    • @kaboomboi7445
      @kaboomboi7445 4 года назад +10

      he become obama

  • @challengeaccepted5613
    @challengeaccepted5613 Год назад +8

    Araki forgot aging and rejected his humanity

  • @furyleferret2288
    @furyleferret2288 5 лет назад +44

    This video is just a big: *"Read the Manga"*

    • @shinzombie
      @shinzombie 5 лет назад +2

      Reading the manga is the only right answer

    • @milestone1719
      @milestone1719 3 года назад

      @@shinzombie i can't. Do you have a website or somewhere i can read?

    • @loichu3500
      @loichu3500 3 года назад +1

      @@milestone1719 manganelo

  • @AjixGameOver
    @AjixGameOver 4 года назад +20

    In summary, people are dumb. "ArAkI fOrGoT aBoUt SmOkEy" it's literally explained in the epilogue of part 2 that he becomes the mayor of his home town in Georgia

  • @wolcamophone4783
    @wolcamophone4783 4 года назад +8

    It’s so cool to see how goofy his art was in just his first Part, like there was real passion behind it. Maybe you could make it big too!

  • @TheAnimationStationTAS
    @TheAnimationStationTAS 5 лет назад +15

    Now I'm just stuck thinking about Joseph taking the ceaser puddle and infusing it with hamon to bring him back to life.

  • @serlins9040
    @serlins9040 4 года назад +13

    Araki forgot that grapes are incredibly dangerous to dogs and Jonathan gave Danny a grape

    • @serlins9040
      @serlins9040 4 года назад +3

      Also Araki forgot that both of the mentors died (I don’t remember their names )

    • @fioree2532
      @fioree2532 4 года назад +1

      Lmao

  • @moonsys
    @moonsys 5 лет назад +27

    God this is such a good series concept. Debunking false, yet widespread information is so good for a series like JoJo, where people seem to conflate memes and other random crap with the actual series and think they know what they're talking about when all they're doing is diluting the actual contents of the series with bs.

    • @makchot3263
      @makchot3263 4 года назад +1

      Araki does hv a lot instances of bad writing though. A lot of the debunking done in this video is basically giving araki and the show the benefit of a doubt instead of concrete evidence

  • @mythousandfaces
    @mythousandfaces 3 года назад +10

    I always assumed healing through Hamon is how Messina survived his encounter with the Pillar Men.

  • @marcellXcatalyst
    @marcellXcatalyst 4 года назад +7

    I always took it as Kars spend so long in space (even for a tens of thousands of years old being) that he went crazy when he realized he would never return.

  • @doubt2022
    @doubt2022 3 года назад +11

    the definition of word forgot
    fans: forgot - did not meet our expectations
    actual definition: forgot - failed to remember

  • @notmenotme281
    @notmenotme281 4 года назад +47

    i know it wont happen and it was confirmed not to happen by araki himself but imagine how cool it would be if Kars came back and got hit with a stand arrow

    • @zareffarhaan6106
      @zareffarhaan6106 4 года назад +9

      That would make it one of the most powerful stands in this series. Maybe even stronger than GER.

    • @JJLarge
      @JJLarge 2 года назад +8

      What would his stand do that he can't already do?

  • @perfectlyfine1675
    @perfectlyfine1675 5 лет назад +28

    The only things Araki genuinely forgets are some abilities of a Stand, but then again, some abilities are only useful in rare situations, so of course they didn't get used constantly.

    • @IncredibleMD
      @IncredibleMD 5 лет назад +9

      Araki totally forgot the powers of some stands by the time he gave them stats in the artbook. Emperor, the stand whose entire gimmick is being able to control bullets midflight to hit whatever Hol Horse wants, has Precision E for god's sake.

    • @joshuazeppeli5199
      @joshuazeppeli5199 3 года назад +4

      @@IncredibleMD I always thought the more bullets Hol Horse fired, the worse his bullet control became, because he can hit everything and anything with only one bullet, but when he spams bullets down the pipe, he couldn't stop from shooting himself.

  • @chocagray4265
    @chocagray4265 5 лет назад +23

    I don't think there's a lot of thing Araki forgot, most of what people say can easily be explained like you showed, I usually find the answer myself but there's one thing I didn't understand :
    when the Stardust crusaders arrived in the city where DIO were hiding in, they needed somebody else to find it, but couldn't Joseph use hermit purple to make a map with the objective being DIO's manor ? like he did to find petrol (or coal tar i don't remember)
    maybe there's a subtility in this ability that I didn't get so please bring me the knowledge I need ! :D

    • @Pyroniusburn
      @Pyroniusburn 5 лет назад +32

      Hermit Purple is basically worthless is the explanation honestly
      the coal tar map is like the one exception where it works like he wants it to and gives him a specific location.
      When he originally mentions it in part 3 he says his photography now *always* gives pictures of Dio
      presumably he only found that out when he was trying to get a picture of someone else.
      When he uses it on the TV it gives him vague and unhelpful information, telling him Kakyoin is a traitor when it's not actually Kakyoin.
      Same thing as the first happens in part 4, Joseph wants photos of Josuke but can only get Angelo to appear instead.
      This kinda ties in with the "if they were bringing joseph to find Otoishi why didn't they use him to find Kira?" thing
      with Otoishi his stand travels through powerlines, which Joseph was planning to interface with directly, which is of no benefit when looking for Kira.

    • @pleasecallmedoku7215
      @pleasecallmedoku7215 5 лет назад +10

      HP can make a spiritual photograph of two things, people related to Joseph and inanimate objects that he wants to locate, but since DIO is attached to Jonathan it makes some "white noise", he is taking a picture of someone who he never met nor is part of his family making things hard to HP to locate. This same "white noise" is why he never trying to take a pic of Kira (other than the fact that he is senile) the Angelo pic was supposed to be a Josuke pic but Keicho was making Stand use left and right so he would just get blurry pics of strangers, there is a Hazamada pic but I don't remember if was Joseph or the SPW who took it

    • @petruciosxd1374
      @petruciosxd1374 5 лет назад +3

      @@Pyroniusburn Joseph also used dirt to make a map that showed Mariah's exact position changing as she ran so that Joseph and Avdol could plan to corner her.

    • @weshannum4961
      @weshannum4961 5 лет назад +4

      I think there is also a range thing on it where the further away the thing he is looking for is, the more vague his answer is, i might have made that up in my mind, but finding coal tar right around the corner isnt as hard as finding one person within an entire city.

    • @chronic-joker
      @chronic-joker 5 лет назад +1

      dio has his own hermit purple that he can use to counter josephs so the closer they get the more dios purple hermit can negate joseph they showed this but i don't remember when

  • @Mike1818-d6k
    @Mike1818-d6k 4 года назад +9

    Finally, thank you man. I red Jojo exactly 4 times from part 1 to part 8 in the last six years, and finally someone who’s not influenced by memes. Arakai is a genius and he explains everything, and also everything is connected in every season, the main plot of destiny, the humanism, the strategy. Now due to this fucking anime that is more a meme than something serious everybody keep sayin’ shit about that

    • @fioree2532
      @fioree2532 4 года назад

      If you read the series surly you can answer this. I finished part 1 and 2 and starting 3. Will I see Smokey or or Lisa Lisa after this, I really likes those characters

  • @Pikachu825
    @Pikachu825 5 лет назад +9

    The only thing that really bothers me is how they never talked about Wamuu instinctively attacking things that step into his shadow after the first time he does it. I guess it was used as a plot device to show how Kars is his master, but I really thought Joseph was gonna use that against him later, but he never did.
    Or I'm just dumb and missed it if he did

  • @SLZABBJNGO
    @SLZABBJNGO 26 дней назад +1

    I really wanted to commend you for completely changing my view on Araki as a writer when I watched this series years ago