Yo, it's the person who made the original iceberg! It's so weird seeing this uploaded. I remember you asking me if you could make this video months ago, and I randomly just stumbled onto it earlier today in my recommended vids! I think you're doing a great job covering everyone entry, and your delivery and style of humor are really fun to watch! Can't wait for you to get to the other tiers! The only two things I'd like to correct were: 1) In the theory about Stone Free having a self-preservation instinct, it was mostly based on the Johngalli A fight where the Stand was able to protect Jolyne's heart from a sniper round without her consciously reacting, as well as the introduction of the Stand where it listens in on police officers beating Ermes up without Jolyne noticing. 2) The theory about Jotaro having autism mostly stems from him being very closed off emotional, sometimes being borderline non-reactive to intense situations, not caring about other people's feelings, and often intentionally trying to act 'cool' around other people, but coming off as cheesy. There's also a sentence Araki added in his profile from Part 3 that states he "doesn't think it's necessary to deliberately show emotions, because he assumes people can understand what he's feeling by looking at him". Again, just a theory, but I'm adding more evidence. Otherwise, keep it up! And let me know if you have any other questions about any particular theories!
Hell yeah, I’m glad you enjoyed it!! I’m going to include corrections as each layer comes out, and fix everything for the final 5 hour video. I’ll keep in touch if anything else confuses me😂
More on the whole self preservation I stint theory. I don't think it really applies to Jolyne anymore than it would to maybe trish or Giorno. The subconscious usage of a stand seems to just be par for the course for someone who has developed a stand but has yet not become aware of it. Like in Trisha case, Spice Girl speaks to her as a separate entity, but in every subsequent use it seems to be just an extension of her own conscious control like that of most other users. Now that I think of it, Mista's Sex Pistols also displays autonomous self preservation as 5 saves Mista. Maybe the reason Mista's stand is seems to be separate consciousness especially from him as opposed to other is due to his superstitious mindset. Like an overwhelming belief in luck and faith, so the control he has over his stand mirrors the control he perceives himself to have in life. Maybe that's why Spice Girl, Star Platinum and Stone Free act autonomously/subconsciously until their users are made aware of them. The way a stand acts in relation to their user corresponds to that users perception of their own control of their power. There's probably some way Koichi and Echoes Act 3 fits into this (or contradicts this.) Idk. Sorry for the rambling and if this general idea was already touched I in the iceberg I'm halfway through just this first video and just wanted to dump my own 2 cents as it surfaces in my brain.
@@maxwellermeav If we consider Jotaro, Koichi, Giorno, Mista, Trish, and Jolyne; three of those Stands are fully sentient with their own personalities (Echoes, Pistols, Spice), one of them later becomes sentient (GER), one of them is an unusually powerful Stand (Star Platinum), and the remaining example is Jolyne, who is the daughter of Jotaro, thus probably is disposed to the same ability. It's a pretty likely thing that basically all Stands activate without the user consciously trying to use it, but in all the examples you listed (except Giorno), the Stand activates automatically to protect the user. That doesn't happen much.
I've always believed that Joseph was faking being senile. Like, yes, he's the ULTIMATE trickster, but also, a part of me thinks he truly just wanted to grow old with his wife, but never really lost his touch.
I doubt he was faking it because there’s a few instances where his life is put in danger, and he doesn’t do anything about it, he still has some wit of course but the way Josuke tricked him with the wallet thing at the end would’ve never caught Joseph off guard even in part 3, so I think he’s just getting old, which is honestly fine because atleast he didn’t die horrifically
Where is this fact that people are assuming he wanted to grow old with his wife from, like genuinely why do people think this where is this from, they had a very one sided relationship
I think bites the dust isn't a Requiem stand but a Requiem ability Killer queen didn't change looks(The cat plant doesn't count) The arrow went into kira, not killer queen Requiem is based off how mozart made his Requiem before dieing, and Giorno was near death by the time he got it
Requiem was named that because the first Requiem we saw was Chariot, which embodies to a T the myth/legend about how Mozart wrote his piece after meeting "a shadowed figure in black". Giorno himself would have died without GER, but clearly he's taking the established nomenclature from the only other known Stand that evolved in that way. It's not the first time that Stand Users more or less extend a naming scheme from one Stand to similar ones, either by ability or by vague similarity in how it evolved. (See Jotaro taking The World (DIO's Stand's name) for naming Star Platinum's similar/identical time stop ability.)
I would like to point out that Diavolo did not keep the beetle arrow he kept a regular arrow that was used in polpos stand Black Sabbath. Polnareff is the one who found the beatle arrow in Egypt
Hamon, he promised Josuke (though I'm not sure this was said) that he would care for Shizuka as he would've cared for Josuke had he been around, and that inspired him to be strong for Shizuka and Josuke. Thus he trained his Hamon and cured his senility for a time at least, though I'm not sure how canon this is it makes the most sense to me
I just wanna say the “jotaro is neurodivergent” theory extends a lot further than his interest in marine biology, his mannerisms and personality in the series is also quite indicative of being on the autism spectrum. For one he's not very expressive, and his bio states that "he assumes people know how he feels, which leads to many misunderstandings". He’s very blunt and to-the-point, and as can be the most clearly seen at the start of the Sheer Heart Attack arc when he’s walking with Koichi, he is not very strong in the social cues department (not bothering to make conversation, flat out ignoring Koichi at one point). Many autistic people struggle with socializing within neurotypical spaces and often have trouble reading social cues. (Although maybe that’s a stretch and he could also just be a quiet person who doesn’t give a shit) Another thing adding onto the socializing aspect- it’s not explicitly stated, but he’s not shown to have a lot of friends prior to part 3’s events. Even after part 3 and 4, he’s not shown to have a lot of friendships besides Polnareff (relatives don’t count, and his relationship with Koichi is more mutual respect than friends) Once again, it’s common for people with ASD to prefer being alone or have trouble making friends. Keep in mind though of course autistic people can have many friends, what I’m referring to is just something that’s commonly seen among autistic ppl. Which can be said for all of the other stuff I’m mentioning too. Him getting mad when people are talking loudly could be interpreted as a sensory issue. I’m not gonna count the start of part 3 when the girls are fawning over him because, well, anyone would get upset at being groped and fought over. But at the start of part 4, when the girls start screaming after he punches Josuke, he yells at them to shut up, which I believe is a bit more unreasonable than the previous example. Him calling Polnareff “annoying” for simply asking for help with the menu could also be due to the fact that Polnareff is a very loud person. He also unreasonably loses his temper when the two women ask him to take a picture for them and start chattering over each other (I refuse to believe this is because he’s a misogynist). And finally repetitive behavior - the constant hat tipping, clenching his fist etc can be seen as stims (one of the more major characteristics of autism) even his catchprase "yare yare daze" can be interpreted as echolalia, also common among autistic individuals. He also barely changes his wardrobe, which could also indicate a desire for routine. I might be forgetting some examples, and I may be incorrect on some things since I myself am not autistic (at least not that I know of) but this is my personal interpretation of his character. Of course I highly doubt Araki was writing Jotaro with autism/neurodivergence in mind, and all of these traits can be easily explained outside of the story, but it’s interesting to make connections. He was definitely written to be this strong, silent, badass lone hero, and he is! But I also think interpreting his actions and personality as due to something other than just “being a badass” humanizes him a lot more. Reading deeper into a character (a lot deeper than I probably should) has made me a big fan of Jotaro, especially considering the first time I watched part 3 I thought he was very boring. Sorry for the essay, I really really like this character lmao. I also wrote this out before fully reading the pinned comment, oops
I did read all of that and I agree, I actually talked about this theory with my girlfriend, who's autistic, and she liked it and said that she does indeed some traits in Jotaro.
I totally agree! Remember that scene with Anne though? When Jotaro was touching her chest finding out she’s a girl, he crossed boundaries with her. She was showing her discomfort and he didn’t understand. Often times, autistic people may use physical touch to understand or process things better. And they also don’t understand when someone is showing discomfort or expressing their emotions. Just a thought :)
in addition to the theory that doppio was the first one, think its implied that he was born with both personalities in the scene where his eye colour changes when hes an infant
The Diavolo part is very interesting. Especially how his backstory sounds more like an urban legend. Which makes sense, since Diavolo wants to practically be invisible to society. Doppio couldve been developed with his obssesion of staying in the shadows and Doppio acts as him hiding in plain sight, since he looks younger and looks like a grunt serving Diavolo.
It's more so that when Dio died the cells that were placed in other's bodies [vampire cells] mutated into their own thing overtaking the body, hence why the food can't cure him. Not just a few, every cell in the body. I assume because of how vampires can regenerate in the the show this effectively created this rapid healing in a way that nothing cure nor kill these mutated cells. Keicho implied to have tried many things to kill their father, but nothing worked, hence needing a powerful stand.
I think Joseph is definitely senile. The man was dead for the entire fight between Jotaro and Dio and then had his blood completely drained by Dio halfway through the fight. My man was totally 100% dead with no blood for atleast 10 minutes.
@lukewilsontv Oh yeah thats also true. I'm more saying the intense brain damage he would've taken during the Dio thing would be hard to recover from though. :p
@@Spyno41 That's what I'm saying. He was only resurrected by Dio's blood. The little Hamon training he did in between then and the events of Part 4/5 were the only reason he was still alive. The minutes without bloodflow to his brain would leave him with brain damage causing senility later in life.
i think it's stated that okuyasu don't know if the things the hand erases just disappear or go somwhere. He isn't shure if he would kill his father or send him somwhere where he is still alive in like other dimention
Bites the Dust might be a requiem ability because it reflects its user's deepest desire but cranked up to a hundred. Kira wanted to keep killing women but to be never found out - and Bites the Dust gives him exactly that. After all, Silver Chariot requiem had a crazy mind-swapping and stand controlling ability - nothing to do with its original basic fencing ability.
I think a lot of people take memes too literally, the PTSD and Autism stuff are good examples, the Autism was a meme meant to insult Jojo fans and the PTSD were just from funny edits of those "signs of PTSD" or emotional edits of those moments. None of these theories hold any real ground when you understand either of those two
21:30 adding onto this theory, I like to think that Joseph might have been a little senile, but raising Shizuku managed to reignite an old spark inside of him to bring out his more active side we've come to know him for
I wrote a whole essay awhile back on Mikitaka being an alien or not, and came to the conclusion he was an alien with the evidence provided in the text and outside knowledge of aliens and Nordic Aliens. Yes, there is potential of him just being a stand user, but I think there's more evidence that he is an alien. I'll post the essay maybe in the comments if anyone is interested. And regarding Speedy? He's an asexual man that isn't looking for love, just the grind (Though I think he's pan too).
That's the conclusion I came to as well when I was high asf and spent a whole night researching it and reading all of the info we have about him lmao, I'd like to see your essay though to see if there's shit I'd missed
His Appearance The common comparison for Mikitaka to being an Nordic Alien. He follows all the definitions of one which is: fair skin and blonde hair. While he doesn't fill the whole criteria of having blue eyes and being 6-7 feet tall, there is at least a possibility of variation of those aliens. Also his pin are in the shape of an UFO, a star with 'E. T' inscribed, and an infinite 8 around a star and moon. Each both have to do with ufology and general space terminology. The UFO is pretty self-explanatory since that specific shape is iconic for being related to extraterrestrials. The 'E.T' means 'Extraterrestrial' which means being not from earth (and also a reference to the movie of the same name). And also that Infinity sign could possibly mean solar day possibly. Another detail could be that he has pointed compared to everyone else. Giving him the slight appearance of an elf expressed by some fans. However, this isn't good enough evidence since Jolyne's lawyer exist; he has pointed ears and he's considered human within the text of SO. And the chain from his nose and ears seem to just be a design choice. Overall, with all the references to aliens and terminology to it. The idea for Mikitaka begin an alien gets a point. Alien: 1 Stand User: 0
S] Also the added choice of him being in a school uniform could be him trying to blend in more -------- His Behaviours When we first get introduced to Miki, was in a crop circle, asleep. Which visually is already a point for the alien side. He also wakes up in a weird way, dramatically zooming straight up and then turning to Okuyasu and Josuke nonchalantly. Also when he ask where he is, and Oku replies with "In a field in Grape Hills in Morioh"; he then bluntly states: " So, this is Earth. " This is already a clear sign that there's something different about him. That and the phrasing of 'Earth' makes him unfamiliar with the place. Though if he's a stand user, he could be joking around like what Oku and Josuke assumed. But Miki continues to do more things that counter that thinking... For example, he continues to go on about how he's not from here. Like explaining that he went unconscious for '13 Earth hours.' Or explaing that he's from 'The Magellanic Clouds'. All things that he mentions as fact. Which Oku and Josuke slowly grow unnerve of this.
Then when Josuke gives him tissues for his wound, he eats it. And thanks Josuke for them. Thus weirding out Oku and Josuke itno leaving. There's also things like mentioning he's a intergalactic pilot, having weapons on him that he left in his spaceship, accepting the label of 'alien', coping Oku's movements, and his bag that seems to summon things (Ex. Ice Cream). With all of this, you can still believe that he's pulling the two teens legs or something, including the part of keeping his saucer a secret. But once Okuyasu accuses Miki of lying, he gets defensive. Which if you think he was joking, that when Oku assumes this, that he would drop his act. But he doesn't… Plus the added fact that he's sensitive to the sound of sirens on firetrucks; to the point he start gettting hives makes certain things clear. He's being dead serious about being an alien. So with all things considered. With him being serious with his claims, doing very usual things than a normal person would, and the way he talks gives another point to the Alien. Unless He's really good at joking. Alien:2 Stand User:0
The debate behind Mikitaka's alien status is so funny to me. This is a series with vampires, superhuman beings who eat vampires, a robot nazi, unexplainable fighting spirits that people can just have; but some people still go "ehhh maybe he's full of shit" when the question of 'is Mikitaka an alien?' comes up.
I’ve almost completely broken down Araki’s philosophy and surprisingly I don’t think Mikitaka is an alien anymore, I’m leaning towards the theory that he’s a chunibyo. Every phenomena, ability, and seemingly “bizarre” part of the show has a basis in quantum mysticism, especially as it gets further along. Alien Mikitaka doesn’t fit into that mold super well, but that could also mean I’m wrong about Araki’s vision with the series - to explain the truth behind every anomaly in our world. I have a video about it coming out in like 30ish days
30:20 so anyone who wasn't Joseph or Kakyoin, souls just went to presumably rotting corpses in coffins. Remember how his victims act upon losing? They go into an unwakeable coma-like state. Most people aren't stand users and therefore just thought their loved ones just went into comas never to wake up there's no way they could have kept their body's living and preserved for so long, long enough for jotaro to beat him. Crazy to think about
I think Bites the Dust is more like an ultimate ability, like in a videogame where you have to level up to a certain level to unlock your best ability. While requiem stands are more like evolutions like in Pokémon where a Charmeleon evolves into a Charizard. They unlock new abilities, and their old abilities become stronger.
Fun fact about sorbet and gelato, in each subsequent version of part five, from manga to translation to anime to dub anime, the language used to describe why the two were missing from that meeting got less an less ambiguous. I can't remember off the top of my head but i think it went from like: "Those two are always hanging out together" "Those two are inseparable" "Those love birds are always together" "Those two are porking non-stop"
Joseph is my favorite Joestar not only by his wits, but dedication to always help others and he's also a flawed hero. He cheated on Suzie with Josuke's mom and while we'll never know the circumstances that lead to it. However, anyone claiming he's a neglectful person, clearly do not understand his character. He risked his life for not only Holly, but all the Stardust Crusaders. Even though he trusts his companions, he always puts himself in danger before anyone else unless it's out of his control. It's why he accepted to play Darby after Polnareff got his soul taken away. In Part 4, Jotaro explained that Joseph only found out about Josuke through documentations and he was willing to give a third of his wealth to him, which Josuke declined. Joseph also bled without a second thoutght for the baby, which Josuke respected him for, as he's not as bad as he initially thought.
Yeah, I also feel like people who keep saying he neglected Josuke forget that he litteraly didn't know Josuke existed, and Jotaro says the first thing he does after learning about Josuke is try to get a picture of him with Hermit Purple. He was banned from coming to Morioh because he wasn't fit for battle anymore, but the second another opportunity came up he immediately went because he wanted to see Josuke. Also in the manga there's more info that Tomoko did not try to contact Joseph about her pregnancy because she knew he was married. And given that Joseph as a businessman is well known enough that Koichi in japan has heard about him. Tomoko definitely didn't want to get caught in the middle of high profile drama.
The joseph not being senile could be both true and false, iirc araki confirmed joseph took on hamon training again to be able to be there for shizuka, so in part 4 he could've started to go senile, then shizuka gave him a reality check and he became more and more lucid after taking on hamon, then by part 6 he's becoming senile again
When I hear the “Bites the Dust is a requiem” discourse, I often find myself on the side of: Bites the dust was Araki’s first time experimenting with the idea of a Requiem stand. A stand can get more powerful via stabbing with the arrow, that’s the core idea. If anything Bites the Dust is the beta version of Requiem stands. A rough sketch of an idea before a more refined concept with rules.
Araki actually said he made Kira too op, and he “wouldn’t be surprised if josuke lost” or something to that effect. This was in an interview from like 2008
@@lukewilsontv btw, do you have a business/youtube email that you can receive more lengthy messages? I watched your Jojo explains everything video and I have a theory adjacent to that i would love to run by you
When it comes to the Doppio being the original one, would it not be obvious that Doppio IS the original (at least based on appearances) since we see him as a baby and the baby clearly has brown eyes which matches Doppios eyes but not Diavolo who has green ones? I know it's a very small thing but still is it not also important to think about their different appearances as well.
I think rather than a potential marine life hyperfixation, the theory of Jotaro being neurodivergent mainly connects to his social interactions with others. His reserved nature, and his more subdued or blunt ways of expressing his feelings. When showed his backstory, despite having a somewhat normal childhood he seemingly struggled a lot with forming meaningful connections outside of his family until he met the Stardust Crusaders. He has a lot of love for his friends and family but seemingly has issues expressing it properly. It could imply a possible underlying neurodivergence, or it could be developments from other factors in his life.
Jotaro pre part 3 was just a 16-17 year old kid who was sweet but tried to act tough and cool at school. Once you get knees deep in a persona like that you can't really do a 180 without throwing people off and have them scratching their heads. Anything after part 3 is scars left from the fight with Dio. Remember that in between parts 3-6, Jotaro is constantly getting hunted by Pucci's subordinates and still kicking their asses. Plus having a wife and kids and not being able to settle, it takes a toll on a man.
I think Killer Queen : Bites The Dust is a Requiem Ability, it's consistent with how a requiem ability is acquired (granting the persons wish in a bizarre way), and it's broken the same way a requiem ability is
@@lilsquiddle1964it does. Polnareff didn't want Diavollo to get thr arrow, hence SCR's abilities. Giorno needed something to counter Diavollo's "cause erasure", so he got his "effect erasure" also, the entirety of the stand theme is around the user's will being manifested
@@koul_is_eternal SCR replaces people's souls with those from another world. It's "personality" is that it wants to protect the arrow. And again, it wasn't stated. That's speculating what it does based on hints, but it was never outwardly said in JoJo or by Araki.
@@lilsquiddle1964 Wait what, citation for the "replaces souls with those from another world" please? I only found that it swaps souls with "something else", which is a LOT less specific. You sure you're not confusing it with D4C's ability, which DOES mess with other worlds?
@@neoqwertyNot sure if it specifically said from another world as it's been a minute since I watched the episode with SCR, but in this context "something else" and "from another world" are about the same. My point is that it swaps the souls of organisms with a foreign creature as it's primary ability.
Joseph Joestar faking his senility is ridiculous because what reason would he have to lie to his family AGAIN? What does he gain from lying to, not only Josuke and ALL of his friends, but Jotaro Kujo? It's preposterous. No, Joseph was a Hamon user who trained vigorously, but not all of his life like LisaLisa. He looked good for his age in his 60s during Stardust Crusaders but that doesn't mean he couldn't have looked better. Hamon had the withering of age in a less-than favorable chokehold on Joseph's health, but favorable nonetheless; he's still human though. He definitely did have issues remembering things about himself, his life, etc. and all of that changed once Shizuka Joestar entered his life. It's not unheard of for people with regressing brains to start to do better when things like children or pets are reintroduced into their lives, and prior to the point of Joseph picking her up next to Josuke during the Achtung Baby saga, he never ever showed any form of healthy progression, only AFTER did he become less senile and more sentient, even down to the last panel of the manga he was apart of. He's a huge piece of shit, a sleezy loser, and in general an irrational, immature baby, but why would he lie about this? For what purpose???? How is this even a theory???? He wasn't in Josuke's life but it's so obvious that he cares about Josuke and some random baby he JUST found, slitting his wrist to save her in front of the son he abandoned. Why would he lie to Josuke? And even more, why would he lie to Jotaro Kujo, the man who SAVED his life after saving the world from Dio?? Brother
Keicho getting a gun and a therapist to shoot the man who regenerates his own body to the point where he cannibalizes himself infinitely. Okay. You're right about Okuyasu not being mentally equipped to kill his father, but also he wouldn't even want to and he never would--unlike Keicho, Okuyasu feels 0 hatred towards his old man, and the murder of his father is the pursuit of Keicho and Keicho alone. And to anyone who thinks "Well, why didn't he do it later?", it's because the goal switched from killing Old Man Nijimura to finding a cure for him. Josuke couldn't help him clearly, nor Antonio. But Okuyasu accepts his dad. Keicho has definitely already asked Okuyasu to because he knows of the terrifying power that is The Hand and was turned down by Okuyasu, thus the need to find a stand user who CAN put his dad down, not WANTS to. If it was as simple as Keicho grabbing a gun and popping his old man, it wouldn't have been a plot point. :/
Requiem abilities are way more powerful, so unlikely. Like the two we've seen are absurd, alternate dimension mind swapping and straight up fate nullification aren't the same as rewinding time IMO, I think BTD should be considered as some middle of the road ability, not requiem but not your average stand abilitiy
About a week before Giorno met the gang. Mista ran into a stand user with a Stand that predicted people's death, he attacked it thinking it caused death.
ain't requiem like a granted ability to help whoever used it in their time of desperation/struggles, or to counteract someone who cheats fate Kira had made a drastic mistake, he killed hayato, so what did he need? the reversal of that, the arrow saw he was in despair, and granted him the ability to rewind time (also fuck off for the frame at the end) giorno was outmatched by someone who cheated fate with time erase, so the arrow gave him the ability to nullify changes in time, which basically made king crimson just red punchy man, another point I'd like to bring up Pucci's made in heaven ability is probably tied to jotaros time stop ability. We know that fate is like a force in jojo, and it cannot be cheated through normal means. Dio constantly avoided attacks and cheated death multiple times with time stop - he cheated fate - so jotaro was given the ability to stop time, which dio clearly didn't have experience with moving in others stopped time. Jotaro used stop time multiple times in part 4 and 6 to cheat death most notably in part 4s failed bites the dust scene, where he stops time where Kira was so close to detonation, cheating his fate if getting rewound. Pucci's goal of having a universe where everyone knows their fate could be a big reason why mih even exists, but mih has time speedy upy, which makes timestop near useless, as he has like 2 seconds to do anything. Jotaro cheated fate, fate gave Pucci the ability to nullify timestop, jotaro is killed, dio cheated fate, fate gave jotaro the ability to stop time for an advantage, dio is killed.
You can easily say fate worked against Pucci in the end with Weather Report's automatic attack in Emporio's room, though you bring up great points regardless
The Joseph Joestar faking senility is very believable, but that it ruins alot of the small character growth for him in part 4, with him finding another purpose with Shizuka, if he can't fix what he had with Josuke, he could at least help her. And he actually became alot better after the end, he started talking in the ending in a much fuller voice and all, and alot more energized and alot more animated, which does happen to people who turns senile or has a cognitive decline when they find a deeper purpose or just find another fun thing that they can do in their lonesome. I actually forgot where I heard this but I was thinking the theory was wrong too, I just didn't have a reason too until someone said that does happen with people who turn senile or just has a big cognitive decline with age.
So the beetle arrow in Part 5 is actually irrelevant to the creation of a requiem stand. any stand arrow can do it and nowhere is it stated that only the beetle arrow can do it in fact it's unique appearance is pretty much not even acknowledged and it likely just looks different because it's important to the plot and to differentiate it from the arrow Polpo had to avoid confusion
Late but, I personally dont think Joseph faked being senile. I think it’s more likely that he genuinely was getting older and had little going on in his life so he was “letting himself go” as it were. I think after reconnecting with his son and adopting a daughter it helps give him a reason to care about living again and regain some his mental acuity
About the whole Jonnathan is star platinum, I think he mentioned at the end of part 1 that he will follow Dio forever, so I interpreted it as Jonnathan being star platinum and the world
Regarding the D'arby theory, I think it's super cool to think that he recognized Jotaro's stand as being the same as The World. It makes sense that he would freak out so much if he even had an ounce of thought that Jotaro could stop time as well, opening the doors to him swapping cards, etc.
I think Bites the Dust is conceptually what requiems would become without having to fully delve into how they work incase the concept doesn't stick or wanted to change how it works later on without having to fully ret-con the ideas. Yet, none of this is to say the ideas the BTD weren't the start of what was to become requiems as it still was created by an arrow, at Kira's lowest moment/moment of desire, and gave an ability that the user could utilize. It was a safe way to toy with the concepts but not have to go all in if he or readers didn't like it, while still adding to the story. Also Doppio's segment honestly shows you did like, no research on DID let alone understanding Doppio or Diavolo's backstory. For context, DID is yes, not well represented but none of this is to say there isn't some reality still added in. See, the birth story of Diavolo is meant to be supernatural likely for certain ideas such as soul dualism but also because we aren't meant to understand Diavolo. Nevertheless, as a child he was described as timid and not that smart which fits more into the idea of Doppio over Diavolo, with the only descriptor fitting Diavolo being that as a kid he was 'frank.' Throughout these scenes, even the appearance was closer to Doppio than Diavolo being more-- but going back to DID alters are founded to protect the core. Likely what happened was when his mother came looking for him as a young child, aka when DID is most set to form, Diavolo was formed in attempt to protect Doppio thus creating him as an alter. I likely doubt Diavolo even if young would have been so careless but Doppio genuinely makes sense to fall in love and promise to return, but Diavolo wouldn't follow through. When the priest found his mother's body, the alter took control once again as protection of the core and killed everyone in means of self protection. Furthering alignment to actual DID the core is the one to often face a more amnesia like state after alters take over sometimes not even knowing they have the alter; which would fit more as Doppio think he is communicating with the boss as a separate entity not himself [which is internal]. DID in this case isn't the best representation, but it really doesn't seem like it has no space without being tied into other concepts. It's clear at least beyond the character has more mental health issues going on to create the level of obsessiveness to protect themselves, but Doppio being the host fits narratively much better. In personal take ignore that Joseph was becoming more senile in part 4 ignores the narrative of what part 4 Joseph is meant to be. Joseph is inherently a flawed protagonist, seen many times which doesn't make him bad but does make him more than Johnathan or Jotaro. His cheating and disconnection now to other family seems to play a role in parts of this, Joseph being senile highlights moreso the lack of what is happening around him as things continue to change. By no means could be have not been playing it up because honestly that seems more like something he'd find funny but narratively it's not until Joseph is finally able to find that fulfillment in his life through becoming a father again and getting to work on his mistakes in the past does he manage to gain more lucidity. Joseph always strives to be better, it's one of his better traits that we see throughout ever part but it's also a flaw that Joseph unless pushed tends to fall stagnant; needing others to often create that push for him to want to be better. So, of course when Shizuka is more grown up in part 6 that senility would likely start to come back. Also, other comments have mentioned Joseph wasn't necessarily an absent father because he wanted to he just literally didn't know Josuke existed. Okuyusa not just swiping away the father is because neither of them know how the stand works or where things go. It's unclear if they are deleted or just displaced and how they would affect you know. A mutated vampire-human who's cells rapidly regenerate. Keicho comes off as wanting to be certain his father is put to rest and dead, the reality is what Keicho is doing might be morally wrong and he isn't good but still comes from parts of his goal being an act of mercy against his father and wanting to protect his brother.
Keicho HAS tried to kill his father, But CANT he regenerates at an extreme speed and can't die, okuyasu and his za hando can erase things, making his dad disappear would kill him or so we believe, okuyasu doesn't actually know where anything he erases goes and neither does keicho, keicho wouldn't want to make his brother the one with the perfect ability for the situation have to end his own father so he tries to find a random person to do so
The beatle arrow has no significance as shown in many instances all the arrows are exactly the same, like you said a requiem stand is only created when the stand gets pierced by the arrow not the user
I feel like “giorno is transgender” is more of a headcanon than a theory, I’ve never seen anyone legitimately theorizing that he could’ve trans outside of character headcanons. I am fully behind it though, transfem or transmasc or neither or both he is very Gender however you decide to look at it
it's only because of old concepts where Araki originally wanted Giorno to be a crossdressing woman [woman dressed as a man, but even then Giorno wouldn't have been trans since that is something different], but later changed it due to others telling him at the time they weren't sure a fem protag would sell well within the shounen spaces. It doesn't help people consistently confuse Giorno's origins with Anasui who gets similar comments. While the headcanon I don't really care about it's because of these reasons people often spread the information as being a theory or grounded in reality, which it really is just concept vs final production.
jojo is the story of life as we experience it. literally. Hamon is harnessable! it's scripted cleverly and a real entertaining story based off of real life. we're about to have the truth of the world unveiled to us, but JOJO has really explained it all already. Brace your butts peoples, incominggggggg
the theory about doppio makes a lot more sense realistically if you consider doppio to be the original personality, I did an essay about it for psychology once but basically DID can really only be caused by trauma before the age of like 6 years old and I believe being born in a prison and being separated from his mum would have done that. You see him living a normal life with his adoptive father until one day he meets his mum again as a teen and this is the event that floods all the trauma that he had blocked out from his infant years back into his brain. This was likely what caused the split and this is the time he buries his mum alive and then sets his entire town on fire to cover his tracks, I'd like to think that event is the birth of DIavolo. When looked at in the context of DID and what is known about it it is far more likely that the personality experiencing memory loss and blackouts is the original or core personality and that another one forms overtop to protect the original from similar trauma by being stronger and more ruthless or hiding and avoiding it that way. In a psychological context, Diavolo has such a tight grip on everything around him in an attempt to control the entire world just so that doppio never has to experience the trauma that he once did again. It's basically an exaggerated defense mechanism of doppios brain and I think It's super interesting how it was written.
Oh and as for the age thing I believe doppio is portrayed in a childlike way due again to the fact that he is being protected by diavolo and that doppio still acts and is stylized as the age that he suffered the split event because from that point on his alter ego took over. This is less scientific and more symbolic in my mind but makes for such an interesting character.
I think jotaro is neurodivergent because it’s just fun :3 Other than his interests, he had so much going on trait and personality wise that allign with neurodiversity and that’s really cool! I don’t think he was written with that intention in mind but its still fun to headcanon and relate to characters made in a similar light
I wanted to add onto the Speedwagon is gay theory. Now after Jonathan's fight with Dio in the mansion he says "She makes a better Florence nightingale then i ever could" which he is referring to "Florence nightingale syndrome" which is where a caregiver forms romantic or sexual feelings for a patient under their watch. Speedwagon possibly with that line revealed that he was giving up his feelings for Jonathan in favor of letting him be with Erina Pendleton.
Romans 13:11 The Day Is Near 11 And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.
It never crossed my mind that Kira might have killed shizukas mother I always thought her stando powah! Just kicked in and bing bang boom! Joseph joestar stole a kid.
I have a theory what if when Dio said SP was the same as TW he met that because SP is Jonathan soul and that dios body is Jonathan which means there the same
I don’t think Diavalo had the beetle arrow. He gave it to enya. This is because we know white snake and heavy weather were awakened by pucci using the arrow dio gave him. If Diavalo had the beetle arrow, dio wouldn’t have it to give to pucci or be in Egypt for polnareff to find after the events of part 3.
Yo, it's the person who made the original iceberg! It's so weird seeing this uploaded.
I remember you asking me if you could make this video months ago, and I randomly just stumbled onto it earlier today in my recommended vids!
I think you're doing a great job covering everyone entry, and your delivery and style of humor are really fun to watch! Can't wait for you to get to the other tiers!
The only two things I'd like to correct were:
1) In the theory about Stone Free having a self-preservation instinct, it was mostly based on the Johngalli A fight where the Stand was able to protect Jolyne's heart from a sniper round without her consciously reacting, as well as the introduction of the Stand where it listens in on police officers beating Ermes up without Jolyne noticing.
2) The theory about Jotaro having autism mostly stems from him being very closed off emotional, sometimes being borderline non-reactive to intense situations, not caring about other people's feelings, and often intentionally trying to act 'cool' around other people, but coming off as cheesy. There's also a sentence Araki added in his profile from Part 3 that states he "doesn't think it's necessary to deliberately show emotions, because he assumes people can understand what he's feeling by looking at him".
Again, just a theory, but I'm adding more evidence.
Otherwise, keep it up! And let me know if you have any other questions about any particular theories!
Hell yeah, I’m glad you enjoyed it!! I’m going to include corrections as each layer comes out, and fix everything for the final 5 hour video. I’ll keep in touch if anything else confuses me😂
Also** do you prefer smproductions or smguinea? I can change the thumbnail in like 2 seconds
@@lukewilsontv SMGuinea is totally fine. Thanks for asking!
More on the whole self preservation I stint theory. I don't think it really applies to Jolyne anymore than it would to maybe trish or Giorno. The subconscious usage of a stand seems to just be par for the course for someone who has developed a stand but has yet not become aware of it.
Like in Trisha case, Spice Girl speaks to her as a separate entity, but in every subsequent use it seems to be just an extension of her own conscious control like that of most other users.
Now that I think of it, Mista's Sex Pistols also displays autonomous self preservation as 5 saves Mista. Maybe the reason Mista's stand is seems to be separate consciousness especially from him as opposed to other is due to his superstitious mindset. Like an overwhelming belief in luck and faith, so the control he has over his stand mirrors the control he perceives himself to have in life.
Maybe that's why Spice Girl, Star Platinum and Stone Free act autonomously/subconsciously until their users are made aware of them. The way a stand acts in relation to their user corresponds to that users perception of their own control of their power.
There's probably some way Koichi and Echoes Act 3 fits into this (or contradicts this.) Idk.
Sorry for the rambling and if this general idea was already touched I in the iceberg I'm halfway through just this first video and just wanted to dump my own 2 cents as it surfaces in my brain.
@@maxwellermeav If we consider Jotaro, Koichi, Giorno, Mista, Trish, and Jolyne; three of those Stands are fully sentient with their own personalities (Echoes, Pistols, Spice), one of them later becomes sentient (GER), one of them is an unusually powerful Stand (Star Platinum), and the remaining example is Jolyne, who is the daughter of Jotaro, thus probably is disposed to the same ability.
It's a pretty likely thing that basically all Stands activate without the user consciously trying to use it, but in all the examples you listed (except Giorno), the Stand activates automatically to protect the user. That doesn't happen much.
I think that the Jotaro hearing loss theory is definitely a reference to the "The rain sounds like Josuke" thing near the end of part 4.
I'm half sure that's Jotaro referring to lightning sounding like Josuke's screams.
This comment section almost sounded like Josuke for a second.
@@goroakechi6126 Nah, Josuke's sleeping in.
You also gotta remember he shot a freaking bullet next to his head.
tbf it was raining pretty hard
I've always believed that Joseph was faking being senile. Like, yes, he's the ULTIMATE trickster, but also, a part of me thinks he truly just wanted to grow old with his wife, but never really lost his touch.
Faking senility would've made sense if he actually met Josuke's mom.
I doubt he was faking it because there’s a few instances where his life is put in danger, and he doesn’t do anything about it, he still has some wit of course but the way Josuke tricked him with the wallet thing at the end would’ve never caught Joseph off guard even in part 3, so I think he’s just getting old, which is honestly fine because atleast he didn’t die horrifically
Where is this fact that people are assuming he wanted to grow old with his wife from, like genuinely why do people think this where is this from, they had a very one sided relationship
I think bites the dust isn't a Requiem stand but a Requiem ability
Killer queen didn't change looks(The cat plant doesn't count)
The arrow went into kira, not killer queen
Requiem is based off how mozart made his Requiem before dieing, and Giorno was near death by the time he got it
Requiem was named that because the first Requiem we saw was Chariot, which embodies to a T the myth/legend about how Mozart wrote his piece after meeting "a shadowed figure in black". Giorno himself would have died without GER, but clearly he's taking the established nomenclature from the only other known Stand that evolved in that way.
It's not the first time that Stand Users more or less extend a naming scheme from one Stand to similar ones, either by ability or by vague similarity in how it evolved. (See Jotaro taking The World (DIO's Stand's name) for naming Star Platinum's similar/identical time stop ability.)
"scubba divers are neuro divergent because they're fixated with air"
Yeah, Caesar looks like the type to commit tax fraud
Bruh
I would like to point out that Diavolo did not keep the beetle arrow he kept a regular arrow that was used in polpos stand Black Sabbath. Polnareff is the one who found the beatle arrow in Egypt
All the arrows are the same.....
@@TohtoriPexcept for the one with a beetle on it
Diavolo and doppio were always together since birth. When he's born his eyes switch for a second
Ooo highlighted comment yessss
It is said in the final chapter of the 4th part manga that joseph had "shaken off any signs of senility."
Hamon, he promised Josuke (though I'm not sure this was said) that he would care for Shizuka as he would've cared for Josuke had he been around, and that inspired him to be strong for Shizuka and Josuke. Thus he trained his Hamon and cured his senility for a time at least, though I'm not sure how canon this is it makes the most sense to me
I just wanna say the “jotaro is neurodivergent” theory extends a lot further than his interest in marine biology, his mannerisms and personality in the series is also quite indicative of being on the autism spectrum.
For one he's not very expressive, and his bio states that "he assumes people know how he feels, which leads to many misunderstandings". He’s very blunt and to-the-point, and as can be the most clearly seen at the start of the Sheer Heart Attack arc when he’s walking with Koichi, he is not very strong in the social cues department (not bothering to make conversation, flat out ignoring Koichi at one point). Many autistic people struggle with socializing within neurotypical spaces and often have trouble reading social cues.
(Although maybe that’s a stretch and he could also just be a quiet person who doesn’t give a shit)
Another thing adding onto the socializing aspect- it’s not explicitly stated, but he’s not shown to have a lot of friends prior to part 3’s events. Even after part 3 and 4, he’s not shown to have a lot of friendships besides Polnareff (relatives don’t count, and his relationship with Koichi is more mutual respect than friends) Once again, it’s common for people with ASD to prefer being alone or have trouble making friends. Keep in mind though of course autistic people can have many friends, what I’m referring to is just something that’s commonly seen among autistic ppl. Which can be said for all of the other stuff I’m mentioning too.
Him getting mad when people are talking loudly could be interpreted as a sensory issue. I’m not gonna count the start of part 3 when the girls are fawning over him because, well, anyone would get upset at being groped and fought over. But at the start of part 4, when the girls start screaming after he punches Josuke, he yells at them to shut up, which I believe is a bit more unreasonable than the previous example. Him calling Polnareff “annoying” for simply asking for help with the menu could also be due to the fact that Polnareff is a very loud person. He also unreasonably loses his temper when the two women ask him to take a picture for them and start chattering over each other (I refuse to believe this is because he’s a misogynist).
And finally repetitive behavior - the constant hat tipping, clenching his fist etc can be seen as stims (one of the more major characteristics of autism) even his catchprase "yare yare daze" can be interpreted as echolalia, also common among autistic individuals. He also barely changes his wardrobe, which could also indicate a desire for routine.
I might be forgetting some examples, and I may be incorrect on some things since I myself am not autistic (at least not that I know of) but this is my personal interpretation of his character. Of course I highly doubt Araki was writing Jotaro with autism/neurodivergence in mind, and all of these traits can be easily explained outside of the story, but it’s interesting to make connections. He was definitely written to be this strong, silent, badass lone hero, and he is! But I also think interpreting his actions and personality as due to something other than just “being a badass” humanizes him a lot more. Reading deeper into a character (a lot deeper than I probably should) has made me a big fan of Jotaro, especially considering the first time I watched part 3 I thought he was very boring.
Sorry for the essay, I really really like this character lmao. I also wrote this out before fully reading the pinned comment, oops
I ain't reading all of that
@@pieskobi943same
I did read all of that and I agree, I actually talked about this theory with my girlfriend, who's autistic, and she liked it and said that she does indeed some traits in Jotaro.
@@pieskobi943 then don't
I totally agree! Remember that scene with Anne though? When Jotaro was touching her chest finding out she’s a girl, he crossed boundaries with her. She was showing her discomfort and he didn’t understand. Often times, autistic people may use physical touch to understand or process things better. And they also don’t understand when someone is showing discomfort or expressing their emotions. Just a thought :)
in addition to the theory that doppio was the first one, think its implied that he was born with both personalities in the scene where his eye colour changes when hes an infant
Given Araki's tendency to write a little bit on the fly, especially before part 7, Bites the dust being a prototype requiem stand makes sense.
The Diavolo part is very interesting. Especially how his backstory sounds more like an urban legend. Which makes sense, since Diavolo wants to practically be invisible to society. Doppio couldve been developed with his obssesion of staying in the shadows and Doppio acts as him hiding in plain sight, since he looks younger and looks like a grunt serving Diavolo.
Pretty sure it was implied that okuyasu's father have a healing ability hence can not be killed. That is why keicho can not kill him
It's more so that when Dio died the cells that were placed in other's bodies [vampire cells] mutated into their own thing overtaking the body, hence why the food can't cure him. Not just a few, every cell in the body. I assume because of how vampires can regenerate in the the show this effectively created this rapid healing in a way that nothing cure nor kill these mutated cells. Keicho implied to have tried many things to kill their father, but nothing worked, hence needing a powerful stand.
I’ve been making that soda joke with my friends ever since we watched Jojo lol
I think Joseph is definitely senile. The man was dead for the entire fight between Jotaro and Dio and then had his blood completely drained by Dio halfway through the fight. My man was totally 100% dead with no blood for atleast 10 minutes.
he also lost to d’arby, man was losing his mojo after having josuke
@lukewilsontv Oh yeah thats also true. I'm more saying the intense brain damage he would've taken during the Dio thing would be hard to recover from though. :p
@@mynamewastakin His Hamon kept his body alive, doesnt mean it kept it from being fully functionally.
@@Spyno41 That's what I'm saying. He was only resurrected by Dio's blood. The little Hamon training he did in between then and the events of Part 4/5 were the only reason he was still alive. The minutes without bloodflow to his brain would leave him with brain damage causing senility later in life.
It was actually 4 minutes
i think it's stated that okuyasu don't know if the things the hand erases just disappear or go somwhere. He isn't shure if he would kill his father or send him somwhere where he is still alive in like other dimention
Bites the Dust might be a requiem ability because it reflects its user's deepest desire but cranked up to a hundred. Kira wanted to keep killing women but to be never found out - and Bites the Dust gives him exactly that.
After all, Silver Chariot requiem had a crazy mind-swapping and stand controlling ability - nothing to do with its original basic fencing ability.
I think a lot of people take memes too literally, the PTSD and Autism stuff are good examples, the Autism was a meme meant to insult Jojo fans and the PTSD were just from funny edits of those "signs of PTSD" or emotional edits of those moments. None of these theories hold any real ground when you understand either of those two
21:30 adding onto this theory, I like to think that Joseph might have been a little senile, but raising Shizuku managed to reignite an old spark inside of him to bring out his more active side we've come to know him for
I will NEVER get sick of jojo iceberg vids ^_^ This was so fun!! excited for part 2 hehe
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I love you too bro😢
I wrote a whole essay awhile back on Mikitaka being an alien or not, and came to the conclusion he was an alien with the evidence provided in the text and outside knowledge of aliens and Nordic Aliens. Yes, there is potential of him just being a stand user, but I think there's more evidence that he is an alien. I'll post the essay maybe in the comments if anyone is interested. And regarding Speedy? He's an asexual man that isn't looking for love, just the grind (Though I think he's pan too).
omg yes post it
That's the conclusion I came to as well when I was high asf and spent a whole night researching it and reading all of the info we have about him lmao, I'd like to see your essay though to see if there's shit I'd missed
His Appearance
The common comparison for Mikitaka to being an Nordic Alien. He follows all the definitions of one which is: fair skin and blonde hair. While he doesn't fill the whole criteria of having blue eyes and being 6-7 feet tall, there is at least a possibility of variation of those aliens.
Also his pin are in the shape of an UFO, a star with 'E. T' inscribed, and an infinite 8 around a star and moon. Each both have to do with ufology and general space terminology. The UFO is pretty self-explanatory since that specific shape is iconic for being related to extraterrestrials. The 'E.T' means
'Extraterrestrial' which means being not from earth (and also a reference to the movie of the same name). And also that Infinity sign could possibly mean solar day possibly.
Another detail could be that he has pointed compared to everyone else. Giving him the slight appearance of an elf expressed by some fans. However, this isn't good enough evidence since Jolyne's lawyer exist; he has pointed ears and he's considered human within the text of SO.
And the chain from his nose and ears seem to just be a design choice.
Overall, with all the references to aliens and terminology to it. The idea for Mikitaka begin an alien gets a point.
Alien: 1
Stand User: 0
S] Also the added choice of him being in a school uniform could be him trying to blend in more
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His Behaviours
When we first get introduced to Miki, was in a crop circle, asleep. Which visually is already a point for the alien side. He also wakes up in a weird way, dramatically zooming straight up and then turning to Okuyasu and Josuke nonchalantly.
Also when he ask where he is, and Oku replies with "In a field in Grape Hills in Morioh"; he then bluntly states: " So, this is Earth. "
This is already a clear sign that there's something different about him. That and the phrasing of 'Earth' makes him unfamiliar with the place. Though if he's a stand user, he could be joking around like what Oku and Josuke assumed.
But Miki continues to do more things that counter that thinking...
For example, he continues to go on about how he's not from here. Like explaining that he went unconscious for '13 Earth hours.' Or explaing that he's from 'The Magellanic Clouds'. All things that he mentions as fact. Which Oku and Josuke slowly grow unnerve of this.
Then when Josuke gives him tissues for his wound, he eats it. And thanks Josuke for them. Thus weirding out Oku and Josuke itno leaving.
There's also things like mentioning he's a intergalactic pilot, having weapons on him that he left in his spaceship, accepting the label of 'alien', coping Oku's movements, and his bag that seems to summon things (Ex. Ice Cream).
With all of this, you can still believe that he's pulling the two teens legs or something, including the part of keeping his saucer a secret. But once Okuyasu accuses Miki of lying, he gets defensive. Which if you think he was joking, that when Oku assumes this, that he would drop his act.
But he doesn't…
Plus the added fact that he's sensitive to the sound of sirens on firetrucks; to the point he start gettting hives makes certain things clear.
He's being dead serious about being an alien.
So with all things considered.
With him being serious with his claims, doing very usual things than a normal person would, and the way he talks gives another point to the Alien.
Unless He's really good at joking.
Alien:2
Stand User:0
The debate behind Mikitaka's alien status is so funny to me. This is a series with vampires, superhuman beings who eat vampires, a robot nazi, unexplainable fighting spirits that people can just have; but some people still go "ehhh maybe he's full of shit" when the question of 'is Mikitaka an alien?' comes up.
I’ve almost completely broken down Araki’s philosophy and surprisingly I don’t think Mikitaka is an alien anymore, I’m leaning towards the theory that he’s a chunibyo. Every phenomena, ability, and seemingly “bizarre” part of the show has a basis in quantum mysticism, especially as it gets further along. Alien Mikitaka doesn’t fit into that mold super well, but that could also mean I’m wrong about Araki’s vision with the series - to explain the truth behind every anomaly in our world. I have a video about it coming out in like 30ish days
first time seeing one of your videos and i love the style. Your flat humor and editing are a breath of fresh air
30:20 so anyone who wasn't Joseph or Kakyoin, souls just went to presumably rotting corpses in coffins.
Remember how his victims act upon losing? They go into an unwakeable coma-like state. Most people aren't stand users and therefore just thought their loved ones just went into comas never to wake up there's no way they could have kept their body's living and preserved for so long, long enough for jotaro to beat him. Crazy to think about
Invisible baby is the moms stand manifested to protect the daughter at all costs
I think Bites the Dust is more like an ultimate ability, like in a videogame where you have to level up to a certain level to unlock your best ability.
While requiem stands are more like evolutions like in Pokémon where a Charmeleon evolves into a Charizard. They unlock new abilities, and their old abilities become stronger.
Fun fact about sorbet and gelato, in each subsequent version of part five, from manga to translation to anime to dub anime, the language used to describe why the two were missing from that meeting got less an less ambiguous. I can't remember off the top of my head but i think it went from like:
"Those two are always hanging out together"
"Those two are inseparable"
"Those love birds are always together"
"Those two are porking non-stop"
Joseph is my favorite Joestar not only by his wits, but dedication to always help others and he's also a flawed hero.
He cheated on Suzie with Josuke's mom and while we'll never know the circumstances that lead to it. However, anyone claiming he's a neglectful person, clearly do not understand his character.
He risked his life for not only Holly, but all the Stardust Crusaders. Even though he trusts his companions, he always puts himself in danger before anyone else unless it's out of his control. It's why he accepted to play Darby after Polnareff got his soul taken away.
In Part 4, Jotaro explained that Joseph only found out about Josuke through documentations and he was willing to give a third of his wealth to him, which Josuke declined. Joseph also bled without a second thoutght for the baby, which Josuke respected him for, as he's not as bad as he initially thought.
Yeah, I also feel like people who keep saying he neglected Josuke forget that he litteraly didn't know Josuke existed, and Jotaro says the first thing he does after learning about Josuke is try to get a picture of him with Hermit Purple. He was banned from coming to Morioh because he wasn't fit for battle anymore, but the second another opportunity came up he immediately went because he wanted to see Josuke.
Also in the manga there's more info that Tomoko did not try to contact Joseph about her pregnancy because she knew he was married. And given that Joseph as a businessman is well known enough that Koichi in japan has heard about him. Tomoko definitely didn't want to get caught in the middle of high profile drama.
Since the material of the arrows are confirmed to be of alien-origin, so mikitaka’s supposed home planet very well could’ve been the source
That one is actually further down the iceberg🤔
That was a great video, looking forward to the next one
this was bloody great. but anybody else hear a constant, like, tv-static sound whenever luke was talking?
Ahhh this was when I tried a new mic setup, it did not work very well 😭😭
@@lukewilsontv don't sweat it, video was still great
The adventure begins!
The joseph not being senile could be both true and false, iirc araki confirmed joseph took on hamon training again to be able to be there for shizuka, so in part 4 he could've started to go senile, then shizuka gave him a reality check and he became more and more lucid after taking on hamon, then by part 6 he's becoming senile again
When I hear the “Bites the Dust is a requiem” discourse, I often find myself on the side of: Bites the dust was Araki’s first time experimenting with the idea of a Requiem stand. A stand can get more powerful via stabbing with the arrow, that’s the core idea. If anything Bites the Dust is the beta version of Requiem stands. A rough sketch of an idea before a more refined concept with rules.
Araki actually said he made Kira too op, and he “wouldn’t be surprised if josuke lost” or something to that effect. This was in an interview from like 2008
@@lukewilsontv btw, do you have a business/youtube email that you can receive more lengthy messages? I watched your Jojo explains everything video and I have a theory adjacent to that i would love to run by you
Great video, haven’t seen an iceberg video in a while!
This channel isnt big but I can see this video on a big channel, very well done Luke
Thank you kevin 🙏🙏
Honestly the Sorbet and Gelato should be in A or S tier, this should be rated mainly by likelihood of being true
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When it comes to the Doppio being the original one, would it not be obvious that Doppio IS the original (at least based on appearances) since we see him as a baby and the baby clearly has brown eyes which matches Doppios eyes but not Diavolo who has green ones? I know it's a very small thing but still is it not also important to think about their different appearances as well.
Yes. Also, I'd add that the counter-point in the video is nonsensical. DID develops at around 5-6 yo, not 20.
I think rather than a potential marine life hyperfixation, the theory of Jotaro being neurodivergent mainly connects to his social interactions with others. His reserved nature, and his more subdued or blunt ways of expressing his feelings.
When showed his backstory, despite having a somewhat normal childhood he seemingly struggled a lot with forming meaningful connections outside of his family until he met the Stardust Crusaders.
He has a lot of love for his friends and family but seemingly has issues expressing it properly.
It could imply a possible underlying neurodivergence, or it could be developments from other factors in his life.
Jotaro pre part 3 was just a 16-17 year old kid who was sweet but tried to act tough and cool at school. Once you get knees deep in a persona like that you can't really do a 180 without throwing people off and have them scratching their heads. Anything after part 3 is scars left from the fight with Dio. Remember that in between parts 3-6, Jotaro is constantly getting hunted by Pucci's subordinates and still kicking their asses. Plus having a wife and kids and not being able to settle, it takes a toll on a man.
I think Killer Queen : Bites The Dust is a Requiem Ability, it's consistent with how a requiem ability is acquired (granting the persons wish in a bizarre way), and it's broken the same way a requiem ability is
I don't think it was ever stated that the Requiem arrow grants the users wishes, that's just speculation.
@@lilsquiddle1964it does. Polnareff didn't want Diavollo to get thr arrow, hence SCR's abilities. Giorno needed something to counter Diavollo's "cause erasure", so he got his "effect erasure"
also, the entirety of the stand theme is around the user's will being manifested
@@koul_is_eternal SCR replaces people's souls with those from another world. It's "personality" is that it wants to protect the arrow. And again, it wasn't stated. That's speculating what it does based on hints, but it was never outwardly said in JoJo or by Araki.
@@lilsquiddle1964 Wait what, citation for the "replaces souls with those from another world" please? I only found that it swaps souls with "something else", which is a LOT less specific.
You sure you're not confusing it with D4C's ability, which DOES mess with other worlds?
@@neoqwertyNot sure if it specifically said from another world as it's been a minute since I watched the episode with SCR, but in this context "something else" and "from another world" are about the same. My point is that it swaps the souls of organisms with a foreign creature as it's primary ability.
the joseph one checks out cause we know hamon can slow aging as his main hamon teacher shows in part 2
Awesome video for one of my favorite series ever
loved yhis video!! cant wait for the next layers :)
Hearing dappio instead of doppio hurt me
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Joseph Joestar faking his senility is ridiculous because what reason would he have to lie to his family AGAIN? What does he gain from lying to, not only Josuke and ALL of his friends, but Jotaro Kujo? It's preposterous. No, Joseph was a Hamon user who trained vigorously, but not all of his life like LisaLisa. He looked good for his age in his 60s during Stardust Crusaders but that doesn't mean he couldn't have looked better. Hamon had the withering of age in a less-than favorable chokehold on Joseph's health, but favorable nonetheless; he's still human though. He definitely did have issues remembering things about himself, his life, etc. and all of that changed once Shizuka Joestar entered his life. It's not unheard of for people with regressing brains to start to do better when things like children or pets are reintroduced into their lives, and prior to the point of Joseph picking her up next to Josuke during the Achtung Baby saga, he never ever showed any form of healthy progression, only AFTER did he become less senile and more sentient, even down to the last panel of the manga he was apart of. He's a huge piece of shit, a sleezy loser, and in general an irrational, immature baby, but why would he lie about this? For what purpose???? How is this even a theory???? He wasn't in Josuke's life but it's so obvious that he cares about Josuke and some random baby he JUST found, slitting his wrist to save her in front of the son he abandoned. Why would he lie to Josuke? And even more, why would he lie to Jotaro Kujo, the man who SAVED his life after saving the world from Dio?? Brother
Keicho getting a gun and a therapist to shoot the man who regenerates his own body to the point where he cannibalizes himself infinitely. Okay. You're right about Okuyasu not being mentally equipped to kill his father, but also he wouldn't even want to and he never would--unlike Keicho, Okuyasu feels 0 hatred towards his old man, and the murder of his father is the pursuit of Keicho and Keicho alone. And to anyone who thinks "Well, why didn't he do it later?", it's because the goal switched from killing Old Man Nijimura to finding a cure for him. Josuke couldn't help him clearly, nor Antonio. But Okuyasu accepts his dad. Keicho has definitely already asked Okuyasu to because he knows of the terrifying power that is The Hand and was turned down by Okuyasu, thus the need to find a stand user who CAN put his dad down, not WANTS to. If it was as simple as Keicho grabbing a gun and popping his old man, it wouldn't have been a plot point. :/
awesome video!!
Hot take bites the dust is just a requiem ability but the stand it’s self isn’t actually requem
Requiem abilities are way more powerful, so unlikely. Like the two we've seen are absurd, alternate dimension mind swapping and straight up fate nullification aren't the same as rewinding time IMO, I think BTD should be considered as some middle of the road ability, not requiem but not your average stand abilitiy
To this day, I have no idea when the final episode of part 5 took place
Or what even happened
About a week before Giorno met the gang. Mista ran into a stand user with a Stand that predicted people's death, he attacked it thinking it caused death.
13:20 i just saw that u changed ur shirt for mikitaka 😂😂
ain't requiem like a granted ability to help whoever used it in their time of desperation/struggles, or to counteract someone who cheats fate
Kira had made a drastic mistake, he killed hayato, so what did he need? the reversal of that, the arrow saw he was in despair, and granted him the ability to rewind time
(also fuck off for the frame at the end)
giorno was outmatched by someone who cheated fate with time erase, so the arrow gave him the ability to nullify changes in time, which basically made king crimson just red punchy man,
another point I'd like to bring up
Pucci's made in heaven ability is probably tied to jotaros time stop ability. We know that fate is like a force in jojo, and it cannot be cheated through normal means. Dio constantly avoided attacks and cheated death multiple times with time stop - he cheated fate - so jotaro was given the ability to stop time, which dio clearly didn't have experience with moving in others stopped time. Jotaro used stop time multiple times in part 4 and 6 to cheat death most notably in part 4s failed bites the dust scene, where he stops time where Kira was so close to detonation, cheating his fate if getting rewound. Pucci's goal of having a universe where everyone knows their fate could be a big reason why mih even exists, but mih has time speedy upy, which makes timestop near useless, as he has like 2 seconds to do anything. Jotaro cheated fate, fate gave Pucci the ability to nullify timestop, jotaro is killed, dio cheated fate, fate gave jotaro the ability to stop time for an advantage, dio is killed.
Bro spitting mad faxx
You can easily say fate worked against Pucci in the end with Weather Report's automatic attack in Emporio's room, though you bring up great points regardless
and now they are sorbet and gelato, literally
I got that same part 4 poster bro it’s fire 🔥 good video
would love to see more!
I love this video, deserves more views
Alessi literally said "Dirty Deeds Done Dirty Cheap."
this video deserves much more attention
The Joseph Joestar faking senility is very believable, but that it ruins alot of the small character growth for him in part 4, with him finding another purpose with Shizuka, if he can't fix what he had with Josuke, he could at least help her. And he actually became alot better after the end, he started talking in the ending in a much fuller voice and all, and alot more energized and alot more animated, which does happen to people who turns senile or has a cognitive decline when they find a deeper purpose or just find another fun thing that they can do in their lonesome.
I actually forgot where I heard this but I was thinking the theory was wrong too, I just didn't have a reason too until someone said that does happen with people who turn senile or just has a big cognitive decline with age.
6:52 u can see also in the scene that killer queen was inside kira and maybe thats why the reqiuem power awakend.
nice video! you have a great talking voice
39:42 damn Jotaro still looks good even in Oingo Boingo art style, look at the poor Polnareff
Fun Fact: When Dio uses Hermit Purple in Part: 3, its actually the stand of Jonathan Joestars body that hes attached too.
I felt like cursing you out for the "Jotaro dies," but then i remember that you warned me sorry :D
So the beetle arrow in Part 5 is actually irrelevant to the creation of a requiem stand. any stand arrow can do it and nowhere is it stated that only the beetle arrow can do it in fact it's unique appearance is pretty much not even acknowledged and it likely just looks different because it's important to the plot and to differentiate it from the arrow Polpo had to avoid confusion
6:25 any arrow can be used. The bettle arrow is the only one around at this point
Late but, I personally dont think Joseph faked being senile. I think it’s more likely that he genuinely was getting older and had little going on in his life so he was “letting himself go” as it were. I think after reconnecting with his son and adopting a daughter it helps give him a reason to care about living again and regain some his mental acuity
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Thank you for a very interesting video
About the whole Jonnathan is star platinum, I think he mentioned at the end of part 1 that he will follow Dio forever, so I interpreted it as Jonnathan being star platinum and the world
Regarding the D'arby theory, I think it's super cool to think that he recognized Jotaro's stand as being the same as The World. It makes sense that he would freak out so much if he even had an ounce of thought that Jotaro could stop time as well, opening the doors to him swapping cards, etc.
I think Bites the Dust is conceptually what requiems would become without having to fully delve into how they work incase the concept doesn't stick or wanted to change how it works later on without having to fully ret-con the ideas. Yet, none of this is to say the ideas the BTD weren't the start of what was to become requiems as it still was created by an arrow, at Kira's lowest moment/moment of desire, and gave an ability that the user could utilize. It was a safe way to toy with the concepts but not have to go all in if he or readers didn't like it, while still adding to the story.
Also Doppio's segment honestly shows you did like, no research on DID let alone understanding Doppio or Diavolo's backstory. For context, DID is yes, not well represented but none of this is to say there isn't some reality still added in. See, the birth story of Diavolo is meant to be supernatural likely for certain ideas such as soul dualism but also because we aren't meant to understand Diavolo. Nevertheless, as a child he was described as timid and not that smart which fits more into the idea of Doppio over Diavolo, with the only descriptor fitting Diavolo being that as a kid he was 'frank.' Throughout these scenes, even the appearance was closer to Doppio than Diavolo being more-- but going back to DID alters are founded to protect the core. Likely what happened was when his mother came looking for him as a young child, aka when DID is most set to form, Diavolo was formed in attempt to protect Doppio thus creating him as an alter. I likely doubt Diavolo even if young would have been so careless but Doppio genuinely makes sense to fall in love and promise to return, but Diavolo wouldn't follow through. When the priest found his mother's body, the alter took control once again as protection of the core and killed everyone in means of self protection. Furthering alignment to actual DID the core is the one to often face a more amnesia like state after alters take over sometimes not even knowing they have the alter; which would fit more as Doppio think he is communicating with the boss as a separate entity not himself [which is internal]. DID in this case isn't the best representation, but it really doesn't seem like it has no space without being tied into other concepts. It's clear at least beyond the character has more mental health issues going on to create the level of obsessiveness to protect themselves, but Doppio being the host fits narratively much better.
In personal take ignore that Joseph was becoming more senile in part 4 ignores the narrative of what part 4 Joseph is meant to be. Joseph is inherently a flawed protagonist, seen many times which doesn't make him bad but does make him more than Johnathan or Jotaro. His cheating and disconnection now to other family seems to play a role in parts of this, Joseph being senile highlights moreso the lack of what is happening around him as things continue to change. By no means could be have not been playing it up because honestly that seems more like something he'd find funny but narratively it's not until Joseph is finally able to find that fulfillment in his life through becoming a father again and getting to work on his mistakes in the past does he manage to gain more lucidity. Joseph always strives to be better, it's one of his better traits that we see throughout ever part but it's also a flaw that Joseph unless pushed tends to fall stagnant; needing others to often create that push for him to want to be better. So, of course when Shizuka is more grown up in part 6 that senility would likely start to come back. Also, other comments have mentioned Joseph wasn't necessarily an absent father because he wanted to he just literally didn't know Josuke existed.
Okuyusa not just swiping away the father is because neither of them know how the stand works or where things go. It's unclear if they are deleted or just displaced and how they would affect you know. A mutated vampire-human who's cells rapidly regenerate. Keicho comes off as wanting to be certain his father is put to rest and dead, the reality is what Keicho is doing might be morally wrong and he isn't good but still comes from parts of his goal being an act of mercy against his father and wanting to protect his brother.
nice video
Keicho HAS tried to kill his father, But CANT he regenerates at an extreme speed and can't die, okuyasu and his za hando can erase things, making his dad disappear would kill him or so we believe, okuyasu doesn't actually know where anything he erases goes and neither does keicho, keicho wouldn't want to make his brother the one with the perfect ability for the situation have to end his own father so he tries to find a random person to do so
The beatle arrow has no significance as shown in many instances all the arrows are exactly the same, like you said a requiem stand is only created when the stand gets pierced by the arrow not the user
I feel like “giorno is transgender” is more of a headcanon than a theory, I’ve never seen anyone legitimately theorizing that he could’ve trans outside of character headcanons. I am fully behind it though, transfem or transmasc or neither or both he is very Gender however you decide to look at it
"this character is gay/trans because they dress and act like x" is not valid in jojo lmfao, every character be wearing the latest gucci fit
it's only because of old concepts where Araki originally wanted Giorno to be a crossdressing woman [woman dressed as a man, but even then Giorno wouldn't have been trans since that is something different], but later changed it due to others telling him at the time they weren't sure a fem protag would sell well within the shounen spaces. It doesn't help people consistently confuse Giorno's origins with Anasui who gets similar comments. While the headcanon I don't really care about it's because of these reasons people often spread the information as being a theory or grounded in reality, which it really is just concept vs final production.
if he is, then him being a made up character is accurate
jojo is the story of life as we experience it.
literally.
Hamon is harnessable!
it's scripted cleverly and a real entertaining story based off of real life.
we're about to have the truth of the world unveiled to us, but JOJO has really explained it all already.
Brace your butts peoples, incominggggggg
Everyone shall call on the name on lord shall be saved Joel 2:32
One thing that the iceberg left out is that Abacchio was the one that chose between the 4 pieces of cake and was the first one to die from the team
I don't think Jotaro is neurodivergent, he's just introverted
the theory about doppio makes a lot more sense realistically if you consider doppio to be the original personality, I did an essay about it for psychology once but basically DID can really only be caused by trauma before the age of like 6 years old and I believe being born in a prison and being separated from his mum would have done that. You see him living a normal life with his adoptive father until one day he meets his mum again as a teen and this is the event that floods all the trauma that he had blocked out from his infant years back into his brain. This was likely what caused the split and this is the time he buries his mum alive and then sets his entire town on fire to cover his tracks, I'd like to think that event is the birth of DIavolo. When looked at in the context of DID and what is known about it it is far more likely that the personality experiencing memory loss and blackouts is the original or core personality and that another one forms overtop to protect the original from similar trauma by being stronger and more ruthless or hiding and avoiding it that way. In a psychological context, Diavolo has such a tight grip on everything around him in an attempt to control the entire world just so that doppio never has to experience the trauma that he once did again. It's basically an exaggerated defense mechanism of doppios brain and I think It's super interesting how it was written.
Oh and as for the age thing I believe doppio is portrayed in a childlike way due again to the fact that he is being protected by diavolo and that doppio still acts and is stylized as the age that he suffered the split event because from that point on his alter ego took over. This is less scientific and more symbolic in my mind but makes for such an interesting character.
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I'm autistic, but I've never had hives before. Maybe... I'm the alien.
I think jotaro is neurodivergent because it’s just fun :3 Other than his interests, he had so much going on trait and personality wise that allign with neurodiversity and that’s really cool! I don’t think he was written with that intention in mind but its still fun to headcanon and relate to characters made in a similar light
I wanted to add onto the Speedwagon is gay theory.
Now after Jonathan's fight with Dio in the mansion he says "She makes a better Florence nightingale then i ever could" which he is referring to "Florence nightingale syndrome" which is where a caregiver forms romantic or sexual feelings for a patient under their watch.
Speedwagon possibly with that line revealed that he was giving up his feelings for Jonathan in favor of letting him be with Erina Pendleton.
Dire is in fact jesus
i have my own theory that jesus is just an extremely powerful stand user or spin user in the second user
Speedwagon is a Sigma theory should definitely be in S tier (for Sigma)
Kira is stealing ur stand power drink
Turning left on red is diabolical
Lmao yess!!!!! He left best for last Jesus 13:11
Romans 13:11
The Day Is Near
11 And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.
I'm pretty sure "Dire is Jesus" is referencing a joke video made by Meti: Not the Bad Guy.
Joshu in Part 9 is the one theory I want to be true
It never crossed my mind that Kira might have killed shizukas mother I always thought her stando powah! Just kicked in and bing bang boom! Joseph joestar stole a kid.
I have a theory what if when Dio said SP was the same as TW he met that because SP is Jonathan soul and that dios body is Jonathan which means there the same
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Speedwagon never married because he couldn’t find a woman worthy of him
3:51 ONE PIECEE!!
I don’t think Diavalo had the beetle arrow. He gave it to enya. This is because we know white snake and heavy weather were awakened by pucci using the arrow dio gave him. If Diavalo had the beetle arrow, dio wouldn’t have it to give to pucci or be in Egypt for polnareff to find after the events of part 3.
The Thoth theory doesn't account for the prediction of Jotaro getting shot in the face by Hol Horse (who then replaces him like Oingo did)