@@omair5481 Araki does forget, it just so happens the things people get hung up on aren't. The dude is talented at pulling nonsense out of his rear end and weaving it into his story in a decent way, if anyone else did what he does they'd be thrown on the street.
@@AbsoluteUnit333 Makes me wonder how deadly Emerald Splash actually is. We see at first that Emerald Splash literally ripped a hole into Star Platinum's chest, so I wonder what it'd do to just a regular guy.
People thinking that deflecting Emerald Splash is a contradiction because Kakyoin said no one can do it is like thinking that a villain cannot be defeated because he said "Impossible! I can't be defeated!"
Literally! Loads of people love to pull up stuff Naruto says when he's a spastic 12 year old as if it's irrefutable fact for all time. Unfortunately jojo fans arent exclusive to this level of misunderstanding
I like to think they we're just getting pulled up by they're stands, like during the fight with the weird yellow goop guy Jotaro jumps onto a water tower and when he doesn't make it he literally uses star platinum to grab onto it and then he's just pulled towards his stand so I just though "hey same principle"
*Stands can grab and move physical objects, including their users *Stands can fly *Polnareff did this with Chariot in his first fight *Stands can occupy the same space as physical objects *Stands can still interact and use their abilities while they are "Put away" inside their users *Stands can fly while attaching themselves to their users bodies *Ice more or less does this with Cream It would honestly be stanger if Stand Users with ethereal stands couldn't fly! Also, there are not many fights were movement of that type was all that important, the major exception (in Part 3) being Geb, which I accept as it being an advanced technique that Jotaro hadn't figured out yet.
@@droidpenguin3648 and the fact that most joestar's stands has some kind of connection to each other Joseph and Holly have vine like stand and so does DIO or Jonathan's Passion stand. Most of the other Joestars has punching-ghost stand like Star Platinum,Stone Free,Gold Experience and Crazy Diamond all have powerful punches or have special effect when they throw their punches and so does The World with it's very powerful physique
The World upright represents the culmination of a stage or aspect of one's life. Reversed it represents frustrating setbacks in achieving one's goals. The Star represents the potential for growth from the combination of aspects present in your life already. Source: I learned tarort because of Jojo Edit: Now that I think about it, I got Temperance mixed up with the Star. The Star is more about a hopeful future.
“hey um can you stand still for like 5 minutes” *paints dio* “what the fuck are you doing” holly would die by the time kakyoin finishes the dio painting
I mean, the fact he painted in general and broke Jotaros leg with no reasoning behind the painting would lead most people to believe that he could paint dangerously
Only thing I don't understand is, when Jotaro punches the shit out of Kakyoin as a beatdown, why did the doll just fly up for no reason? I doubt it was the air pressure, and Kakyoin and Jotaro most definitely didn't go out of their way to destroy it.
This isn’t really on topic, I just find it funny that we have the stands The World and Star Platinum (named after the tarot for The Star) which are these humanoid, short ranged power type stands, but the stand The Sun is literally just a friggin sun.
@@ICTON123 I believe that part 8 Hermit Purple is not the same as one from part 3. In part 3 it had a hamon ability to see future In part 8 it was moving in a different fashion, similar to a Ball Breaker spin, so it seems that Hermit Purple from part 8 was infused with spin, not hamon
"Araki, what are the stands gonna look like?" "Okay, so, you have the majority looking like humanoids, right? Then we have *looking around nervously* a car, a sun, some sand, water, the idea of magnetism, a sword, a shadow, literally just a bird, a fly, some goop, and a book. Oh, also two tentacle/vine like ones, but their different."
@@jujokotaro4177 I hate how people go around stating it as fact Not saying you are, but there are people who actually think Star Platinum can copy abilities like Boy 2 Man can.
Holly and josuke got sick but nobody went to help josuke just because the only person who really knew about her was joseph and he abandoned her. Oh I guess you'd forget about the person you busted your 67 year old nut in but not your daughter? So selfish.. could've at least helped his son.
@@arnaurovirabach-esteve7660 could've probably at least checked up on josukes mom. He was literally sleeping with her and leaving without thinking she might get pregnant?
Dio loved to experiment with his vampiric abilities. But the chimera zombies really weren't useful so he didn't make more of them, it's as simple as that.
Yeah they weren’t like powerful minions. All they did is look creepy and that’s it. Like the only time this ability was ever useful was 2 times in the entire series. One Being he used this power to attach his own head to Jonathan’s body, and two when he used it to reattached vanilla ice’s head back onto his body after giving him the vampire blood.
Star Platinum: BUT JOTARO, I JUST READ ABOUT THIS KENSHIRO GUY, YOU GOTTA CHECK HIM OUT HE GOES ALL YATATATTATATATATATAH AND PEOPLE EXPLODE BEFORE HIM! I wanna do that! I'm gonna make my own version of that, it'll sound like ORAORAORAORAORAORA! and I'll blast people away with it, it'll be fuckin awesome!
I find the whole "whatever Dio touches in stopped time can move with him" thing kinda funny cause if this weren't true I'd imagine him unable to move due to his clothes
I always thought the explanation of Joseph not using Hamon to stop aging was so that he could grow old with his (supposedly) true love in his wife, Suzi Q
y'know, even if kakyoin's painting thing WAS an ability, how the hell would he use it lmfao **in middle of a fight** kakyoin: wait, hold on, stand still. **starts to paint the enemy**
I'm still confused though about how vampire blood works. Wouldn't the person who receives vampire blood be able to regenerate flesh similar to how Dio does? Or is that restricted to vampires like Dio who were made into vampires via the stone mask?
@@mikeymod3665 im not sure, but imo its a conscious act. considering how vanilla ice, even though he was a fresh vampire, did not heal any wounds he received, but kept on fighting, while during jotaro vs dio fight when polnareff ambushed dio and impaled his head, dio probably focused on that area and healed. not sure though, its just what i think and its probably flawed too.
@@ctrlaltrepeat245 like they straight up forgot zoom punches exist then when they see a far shittier version they act like a monkey seeing street magic.
@@detomnz2024 I mean technically he could just vacuum them into range to punch them, that'd be a lot more effective than trying to stick his extending fingers into a weak spot when shit's moving.
@@Predator20357 Yeah.. Ocean Man is a 90's song and Jotaro was written in the 80's. But i don't think his character would worked If he was only introduced in part 4. Also it would be much better If DIO Stand was Holy diver, i mean his stand is literally a scuba diver 🤣 Jotaro turned into a marine biologist because he though DIO's race come from the ocean, i guess
I think it was said when Dio first took Jonathan’s body he didn’t have full control over it so Elizabeth & Lisa Lisa was protected & Dio need Jostar blood to fully claim the body
Star Platinum wants to learn Za Warudo. Star Platinum already knows 4 moves! Should a move be forgotten to make space for Za Warudo? 1, 2 and… Poof. Star Platnium forgot Star Finger and… Star Platinum learned Za Warudo
4 Moves..? Mf the most Star Platinum has done is extend his fingers and suck in air really hard. Any Stand can suck in air, Jotaro was just the first guy to have a reason to do it.
Small Brain: No oNe CaN jUsT DeFeLcT tHe EmErAld SpLaSh Big Brain: Kakyoin had never fought other stand users until Jotaro and only met another stand user with Dio so he wouldn't be as good fighting against other stand users and with only 50 days and since he didn't have too many fights he wouldn't be able to master the emerald splash
Then I have a genuine question, isn't stand users suppose to always meet each other through fate? Or is it because morioh is already abundant with stand users
@@bootyannihilator4931 yes, but it might have been instinctive, in the fight with the N'doul you see the same visual effects that Dio gets when he stops time, so maybe Jotaro stopped time accidentally.
You know I always thought that when kakyoin said "No can defeat the emerald splash" I believe kakyoin honestly thought that, due to him having his stand since elementary school and since he was always alone he never had anyone who could see heirophant green he just blaintently thought no one could block from gigantic crystals each about the size of a finger going what looks like is moving just under the speed of a bullet.
I do think there are some legitimate uses for this, especially for stands with a long range, or who’s ability might not be affected by size: koichis echoes act 2 for example, since its range is so far he could pull off some assasination type stuff, and fugos virus’s won’t lose effectiveness with size. Granted, you’d have to shrink your stand while hiding out of sight, then have it fly ever so slowly to your opponent, and idk if there were exact scenarios for koichi like that but I still think it’s useful
Everyone keeps talking about Star Finger, or "they're the same type of stand", but the transitive property works both ways. In the strangest alternate reality, we could have gotten *World Finger.*
And just genuinely fucking with him. With each enemy stand user acting odd, it could’ve been Possessed Kakyoin just screwing with jotaro. Hell the puppet could be saying how the nurse his puppet.
I hate how people say "Dio doesn't know what a car is, but knows what's a flight attendant" Even though when he saw a car he referred to it as an "automobile" instead of "what is this?"
I feel like Jotaro could’ve learned Hamon in like 5 seconds. He’ll be like “I’ve already figured it out. All I have to do is B R E A T H E.” He’d probably end up having a finishing move like Hamon Oradrive
Flash rex yeah I know that’s why it would be kind of like a joke thing I guess. Remember when he went against D’Arby and figured out how to play the game in like ten seconds? It would be something like that where he somehow, probably because he’s Jotaro, he nearly perfects his Hamon
The “Has Dio never seen a car before got me.” You know whenever someone’s like ‘back in my day we had to use the phone book to contact people’ That. He’s literally doing just that, and people do this *daily.*
I like the theory that the stuff Star Platinum brings to Jotaro is from the Police's confiscated merchandise room, that could be near the cells area. Makes sense to me.
@@triangulum8869 That may have to wait. They haven't really been fully explained in-universe so giving a rundown wouldn't be too effective at the moment.
Dio: Ah, back in my youth days, there were only wagon carried by horses. Now such wagon has machine more powerful and much faster. How time flies! Fans: so you were saying that you never saw a car before, right? You never know what a car is, right?
If you can understand the reasoning in that scene, you can understand why Hierophant Green was invisible when Kakyoin was first introduced. It was simply a way to build up anticipation of how much of a threat he'd be and what his powers are. Retrospectively, it's also a good thematic choice given Kakyoin's backstory.
@@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264 I thought it was just that Hierophant was busy being in ambush as monofillament wire because DIO-steered Kakyoin is one dramatic dude
For me it seemed more like a flex if nothing else. H.Green is a super stealthy and assassination-type stand, and Kakyoin is incredibly smart. Being incredibly smart comes with wanting to flex that brain (even if it is partially impaled). If I had his stand I'd probably do that stupid painting and puppet stuff too just to throw them off my case.
@@clayxros576 Especially when so much of Stand fighting relies on the enemy not knowing your abilities, confusing them with paintings and puppets is a great plan. Too bad DIO's minions knew the Crusader's abilities or else we might have gotten more of that from Kakyoin.
@@onyxrose4349 Part of the issue is that Kak was controlled by DIO prior to that, so he didn't even have a chance to pull it with them. DIO probably informed the others what Kak's abilities were.
I personally think Kakyoin was surprised that Jotaro deflected the Emerald Splash, because he's never fought another Stand user before that. Therefore, he's never fought anyone who could see the attack coming.
I think its just the lack of clarity and detail in certain moments. A lot of these Araki Forgot explanations are like okay yeah i guess that makes sense... But the fact that someone other than the author has to explain (more like defend) it and that theres these moments that the majority of people are confused by in the first place speaks to something outside of everyone individually just happening to be stupid. If you go back and read past parts can you come up with an explanation in your head for why x thing happened? Sure, but it would be a lot better if the author had in the moment of x happening acknowledged it at all, instead of needing to make a fan theory for things every time.
@@Bunnibunnibunni If the author had to explain each and every minute detail the story would suffer. None of the explanations are exactly a stretch. If people are confused about something all they have to do is think about it for a little bit instead of having to be spoon fed everything
I think Star Platinum's range issue is more a "Araki changed his mind" rather than "Araki forgot" issue. Besides, it was just a comical way to hint that SP wasn't really a evil spirit.
TheSunTitan well at first he was going for stands have unlimited range but lessen in power the farther they are thus stands with 5 meters as their range would be most powerful behind that distance but could go as far as the user made them. Then Araki decided that they would stop at that mark instead since it would literally be star platinum and other close range stands would have that far distance but less power trade off and that would be a little bit dull to technically have all stands being long distance stands so that’s most likely why he changed it
Araki does hv a lot instances of bad writing though. A lot of the debunking done in this video is basically giving araki and the show the benefit of a doubt instead of concrete evidence
I find the significant possibility of dio being awake in the coffin at first hilarious Dio: finally I have claimed Jonathans body, as soon as the sun goes down I'll be free to rule without any pesky joestars to get in my wa- Erina: *sends the coffin back into the sea* Dio: wait no-
Generally speaking I always thought that "Araki forgot" meme was mostly a joke, because even if indeed forget something, I still love the work and it adds to the weirdness and bizzarre of the work.
honestly I think a writer can forget smal details or make light retcons to theire work without them becoming a bad writer for it. Yes, a writer should generaly stay consistent with their rules and having retcons that are to contradictory or big are annoying, but a lot of the "forgot" things are minor nitpics. Personally I am fine with pretending Dio had a chance to get into the coffing and that it then just sank into the ocean after Erina got rescued if it means I get Stardus Crusaders out of it (although it would have been better for the anime to have Erina go into a life boat instead of goig into the coffin, would have completly solved this little plothole). It is sloppy on a writing prospective, but it isn't all that important and it creates a good set up for a well written story, so I think it is completly forgiveable.
It is indeed a joke. It's just that a minority take it seriously, and Hamon Beat waste is time with obvious and/or bad faith argument to justify everything Araki really did or did not forgot for an extreme minor number of people who will probably never listen to him anyway. I will say HB made more harm than good by spreading a false sentiment of toxicity beetween members of the JJBA community.
@@corrinthechocolatine4025 I mean, if people make assumptions about things that Araki forgot, it's okay to point out why they are mistaken. In a respectful manner.
Corrin The chocolatine fr I think the majority know that the Araki forgot memes are really just for fun but some people wanna take it too seriously lol
Yeah, this. Idk, I kinda feel like one of the main charms of JoJo is just the sheer amount of bullshit that happens. It's kinda just fun. We can make fun of the series for it, but like, ultimately I find that even when meant seriously, it doesn't hamper almost anyone's enjoyment of the series. Like, I still think the dio coffin thing is total bullshit, but what the fuck ever, it's JoJo, who cares?? I mean, this guy cares a lot, apparently, but.
Hermit purple is a good stand for someone using Hamon as they do not need to wear tactical outfit made out of thousand beetles or something Also it is like a GPS but in 1980s
Araki said Joseph is still alive in part 6. When he did blood exchanging, he took a *little* of DIO blood and thats why he’s the oldest Joestar of all time
0:24 - DIO's coffin 2:55-Star Platinum bringing objects 3:35-Stand suffocation 4:20-Joseph's age 5:01- Dio's chimeras 5:23-Kakyoin's paintings 6:24-Hierophant's posession 7:28-No One Can Deflect The Emerald Splash 7:51-Hamon forgotten 8:20-Holly's weakness 9:28-Tarot names 10:00- Jonathan's Stand(""The Passion"") 10:57-Flesh buds 11:36-J. Guile umbrella 11:56-Anne 12:17- WHY DIDN'T JOTARO USE STAR FINGER TO FIX MY LOVELESS MARRIAGE?! 13:05-Stands can see? 13:27-Fake Kakyoin 13:52-Stand shrinking 14:26-DIO vs THE SUN 14:58-Polnareff's earrings 15:25-Joseph didn't use hamon during D'Arby fight 15:56-DIO's copy bY Iggy and Polnareff's mimicry 16:27-Silver Stripper 16:53-DIO doesn't use vampiric powers 17:39-DIO is a boomer 18:06-Final fight flying 18:35-So it's the same tYpe of stand? 19:46-Joseph's revival
It's always interesting when someone has been a stand user for years and has never met another one. Jotaro gets in contact with Joseph and Avdol quickly after discovering it and finally gets educated about the nature if his "evil spirit". Kira only finds out that other stand users exist after 15 years of exploding people, I believe. If we take stand possession as a metaphor for homosexuality, then Jotaro is one who is disgusted by his desires which seem unnatural to him. Then he end up finding a community of similar people and is no longer an outcast. The same is true for Kakyoin. He finally finds a group of people who underSTAND him, and thus his last 50 days are the happiest of his life.
I thought that Dio didn't come out of the coffin until a century later because: 1) He was stuck in the middle of the ocean. There aren't many places where he could have hid away from sunlight during the day. Better to wait until something happens. 2) Taking control of Jonathan's body took a REALLY long time. Dio simply was in no condition of escaping.
@@trhytuhtfyjutrfh The coffin's made of iron or reinforced with it, so less "he had no way of telling time" and more "he couldn't even get out if he WANTED to. The pressure at the bottom of the ocean would have been pushing in on the coffin from all sides and unless Dio wanted to check out if vampires can survive violent decompression (protip, that generally results in being turned into paste), he'd be stuck in there until something pulled him out.
Simon Delgado he didn’t fight dio he tried to run away but dio got him and took over his brain. They go more in depth on that in the second d’Arby’s fight
We actually have seen stand shrinking make a return: In Jojolion, Yoshikage Kira shrinks SHA inside of a person's blood vessels to clear blood clots, while they are otherwise palm sized as it was in part 4.
Killer queen part 8 can just do that, no evidence shows that part 4 kira could shrink SHA, just how part 8 killer queen can have more than one SHA. Regardless, stand shrinking is pretty much useless except in very specific situations, like the soft machine fight
that was more due to the fact moody blues takes on any property of the body its replicating, rather than stand shrinking. narancia body got smol, so moody blues got smol as well. thats it
The painting with Kakyoin to me was probably to show Heirophant where to attack, or to show us the audience where Heirophant was going to attack. The puppet was probably a scare tactic, or just Kakyoin being showboaty.
It makes sense as a showboating bait move tbh. To someone who'd never fought another stand user and had no prior knowledge of kakyoin's abilities (jotaro) then he could use the puppet and stuff to make it seem like an important part of his stand powers to try and force sloppy moves from his enemy
I like the idea (thematically) that the reason DIO has The World and a variation of Hermit Purple is that everything he’s had in some way is stolen from the Joestars. I know it’s never stated as such but it makes Jotaro beating him with the same ability so much more satisfying
The strangulation thing is actually easier to explain and makes perfect sense. When you're stand is affected by something, so are you. If your stand gets choked, your neck gets squeezed too. So even if the stand doesn't need air, strangling them still suffocated the user.
i feel like most things deemed as "araki forgot" moments are most often more along the lines of "araki just changed the rules later on to serve the story in a better way" moments
I agree. Star Platinum grabbing things from the cell clearly breaks the rules of stands, but this is the very first scene were stands are even talked about. The rules weren't set in stone at the very beginning of part 3.
@@skeleton8559 well he did have a range of 10 meters and he can go thorough walls, so he could have just grabbed them from the guard's office or the visitors room. Like he can go 10 metres upwards and snatch stuff from people walking by
I mean yeah, thats jojo for you, do you want science? Do you want Accuracy? Have an arrow that gives you the ability to set anything to 0, have fun figuring that out!!
Something interesting about the "Dio having all stands" theory I realized: Dio does not have every stand, of course, but he DOES have every stand of the joestar bloodline (at the time, because remember that Josuke and Giorno were not stand users during when Dio was alive). He had Star Platinum in the form of The World, since they have been shown to be the exact same stand. He has Hermit Purple, as seen through him using it multiple times. He also even has Holly's stand. During the D'arby the Player fight, when Kakyoin has the flashback with him first confronting Dio, we can see the thorny plant Stand around Dio and Kakyoin both in the anime and manga. People say that Araki has terrible memory, but in reality he's a genius with his story.
I love Jotaro's cell stash. Just imagine Star Platinum walking through the police station carrying an exercise bike into Jotaro's cell as the guards just watch it slowly float through the station.
I don't think we ever see the text box appear that declares death/retirement for DIO But it did appear for Johnathan Tho that's the anime, don't know what happens in the manga, haven't checked
When it comes to techniques, a lot of people seem to believe that JoJo should be more like Naruto or DBZ where a character uses the same move in every single fight. Maybe Jotaro just doesn't like Starfinger? Ever considered that?
I realize this is a really old video and it’s silly to comment this now, but there’s something really chilling about Jonathan’s defiled undead body obtaining a stand because of Dio. It’s genuinely a zombie stand.
I hate people who say that "No Stand can bring life back" is a plot hole when Star Platinum basically just did what a defibrillator does. It wasn't an actual Stand power.
What about crazy diamond bringing back Haiato who had been exploded into literal pieces by killer queens bomb, like thousands of pieces of his head and body and arms and legs? Let me guess, since he had only been in a thousand pieces for a few seconds he weren’t really dead yet.
@@joshuaperkins9344 Few seconds? Try a milisecond. Did you forget how fast Crazy Diamond is? He's deadass faster than Star Platinum. If thats your argument then you'd have to have problems with Josuke punching a HOLE into his moms torso.
the fact that people have to debunk makes it bad writing either way. really? a secret compartment to the coffin? it’s obvious that he forgot and was covering it up.
@@m335am "Man I die if I enter sunlight. Maybe I should make the only entrance be on top of the coffin so if it's opened in direct sunlight I'll instantly die"
@Purple Panther The Tower and the Ship aren't the stands. Strength and Super Fly are bound to those objects like ghosts haunting a house. And since the Tower and the Ship are real, of course anyone can see them
You actually made me understand Stands more, thank you. I still miss Hamon a bit though. When I saw Stardust Crusaders, the change from Hamon to Stands seemed a bit sudden to me, and I was like "where did this brand new ability come from". That not everyone needs Dio and the arrow to awaken a Stand was the key element I was missing. You explaining Tonio and Aya helped to clear up the confusion a bit. As in there could exist Stands for example in Jonathan's time as well, Jonathan just didn't encounter Stand users, so we didn't see them.
I don't really like the idea of people awakening Stands, at least not at a young age. Imagine Kakyoin as a kid, we see a little of his backstory near the end but imagine being a child, seeing this thing that nobody else can, knowing you're not crazy but being unable to tell anyone because they thought you would be. You'd go insane. But you are correct, in canon, we don't see Stand users in Parts 1 and 2 because there is no reason to, however, the truth is, they just hadn't been thought of yet.
Good lord half of these claims can be summed up as: "Remember when this character used this move to get out of a specific scenario and that scenario never came up again?" Silly. Great series so far!
Only thing I'd argue that you're flat out wrong on is Star Platinum getting things for Jotaro. In part 4, it's made VERY clear that stand ranges are absolute. During the fight with Hazamada, Crazy Diamond's fist stops at its range limit, with Surface just out of range. It wasn't a severely weakened punch for going out of range, Crazy Diamond could not physically go past its range. The same is mentioned in Koichi's fight with Yukako, when he sends Echoes to the pay phone. He remarks about how lucky he is that it's just inside Echoes' range. And that was before he needed to use his ability to put the dial tones on Yukako's arm, so it wasn't about it being within range for his ability to work, but within his range for Echoes to even reach it. That said, the moment isn't an "Araki forgot" moment, necessarily, but rather an "Araki changed the rules later on" moment.
Savos Mok there’s a theory that I like to stick to, where Star Platinum’s actual ability is to be what Jotaro needs it to be. It doesn’t get a full form until after he sees Magician’s Red, thinking “Oh it’s supposed to be humanoid and buff”. Before that, we see a hand stop the bullet, but that’s because Jotaro needed the bullet to be stopped. Star Platinum needed Jotaro to know he was friendly, so he got him gifts and didn’t truly become a fully realized stand until Jotaro knew what a stand was
@@thefunniestvalentine4789 I think that's it's more the stand is still developing so that's why it can go the distance and such and perhaps maybe that's why he isn't able to stop time until the fight with Dio cause he realises dios ability and because his stand is still developing he just makes it stop time
@@danielshore1457 It would also explain why Jotaro (and the audience) doesn't see Kakyoin attack him with Heirophant Green that first time. He's still developing as a stand user, so it's possible for him to just not see stands right away if they aren't fully manifested.
"That said, the moment isn't an "Araki forgot" moment, necessarily, but rather an "Araki changed the rules later on" moment." That IS an "Araki forgot". What you just described is an "Araki forgot"
When fans say "Araki forgot", they don't literally mean that Araki forgot something, we're just using it as a catch-all term fro various inconsistencies.
Joseph is defined by cheating:
Cheating in fights
Cheating at games
Cheating death
Cheating on his wife
He also somehow convinced her to help him raise the invisible baby, he found by the side of the road.
For with DIO's blood in him, he gained an inkling of Charisma
@@ripleyjlawman.3162 an invisible baby, you could argue, *araki forgot*
Cheating on cheating
@@omair5481
Araki does forget, it just so happens the things people get hung up on aren't. The dude is talented at pulling nonsense out of his rear end and weaving it into his story in a decent way, if anyone else did what he does they'd be thrown on the street.
Remember when Araki forgot the ultimate being was immortal and invincible and gave Speedwagon a heart attack?
The only true Araki forgot
maximus fattus wait what? What are you talking about?
@@tboss9053 Speedwagon IS the ultimate being
@@tboss9053 bruh
Vincent Bushman yeah I know. Lol I read the post comment wrong and thought he meant Kars. It didn’t make sense at first. Lol
The idea of Erina surviving in the coffin with her husband's headless body underneath her disturbs me.
Jorge Joestar, the uncanon novel. had her keep his dismembered head with her so there's something that beats that
ERINA IS INSANE ZULOL
@@Lounqx0 Jorge*
Oh shit wait
I didnt realize that
because thats not really what was happening
Well, Kakyoin himself said that he never met a stand user before DIO, so it's clear as day nobody ever deflected the emerald splash before
Damn so that boy emerald splash'd some kids then?
@@AbsoluteUnit333 Makes me wonder how deadly Emerald Splash actually is.
We see at first that Emerald Splash literally ripped a hole into Star Platinum's chest, so I wonder what it'd do to just a regular guy.
@@ctrlaltrepeat245meat cubes
@@ctrlaltrepeat245they'd be dead as hell
He had probably tested his abilities on some targets and was way too confident in how it annihilated them.
my favorite is when the answer to "well how/why could kakyoin ______" is "it's not a power he's just being dramatic"
kakyoin is forever the best boy rip
He would've been an artist if he had survived. Either a painter, a puppeteer, or just an actor.
@@cutecommie MILF hunter
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that’s why we love him
Holly: *about to die*
Jotaro's dad: "She might be my wife, but sax is my life"
Jotaro does the same with dolphins
@ƘƲƦƬ Leave Sadao alone. Holly would be comatose in a motel had it not been for him.
Paul Hensley o
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When Joseph died his soul went to heaven, and Caesar and Kakyoin yeeted him back down to earth
Lol so did erena, i really felt it when Joseph said "I am taking that body back to granny erina" to to dio
I am superior
@@reroman3950 It's a _face-off_
@@caustic9947 get ur cherries ready
Cuz this will be your LAST donut
You guys don't mind if I watch your standoff, right?
People thinking that deflecting Emerald Splash is a contradiction because Kakyoin said no one can do it is like thinking that a villain cannot be defeated because he said "Impossible! I can't be defeated!"
"Killet Queen has no weakness"
@@wingdinggaster6737 In today's episode of Diamond Is Unbreakable: Killer Queen has a weakness.
@@jusa297 "wait, that's illegal"
Literally! Loads of people love to pull up stuff Naruto says when he's a spastic 12 year old as if it's irrefutable fact for all time. Unfortunately jojo fans arent exclusive to this level of misunderstanding
but it can't be deflected, unless..
I GOT IT! DIO's Ability is to contradict reality!
Remember when Jotaro told that kid he'd buy him another popsicle?
Probably did off screen.
Or Jotaro forgot?
Kory Fredrick you’re breaching a whole new level, maybe the characters themselves can forget
Tintin
Also that time Polnareff promised a kid the same after kicking sand in his eyes
When I was first watched Stardust Crusaders. I just thought Jotaro and DIO were flying and I said “it’s JoJo so I’ll just go with it”
Yeah i have a theory for that i think they used they’re stands to jump up lightly but strongly time it makes sense because the raw power of SP and TW.
Your a genius my guy! :)
Wi11ow 8 thanks
I like to think they we're just getting pulled up by they're stands, like during the fight with the weird yellow goop guy Jotaro jumps onto a water tower and when he doesn't make it he literally uses star platinum to grab onto it and then he's just pulled towards his stand so I just though "hey same principle"
*Stands can grab and move physical objects, including their users
*Stands can fly
*Polnareff did this with Chariot in his first fight
*Stands can occupy the same space as physical objects
*Stands can still interact and use their abilities while they are "Put away" inside their users
*Stands can fly while attaching themselves to their users bodies
*Ice more or less does this with Cream
It would honestly be stanger if Stand Users with ethereal stands couldn't fly!
Also, there are not many fights were movement of that type was all that important, the major exception (in Part 3) being Geb, which I accept as it being an advanced technique that Jotaro hadn't figured out yet.
Another thing: the star and the world in tarot reading have very similar meanings so fate already predicted that they would be similar stands
And the fact that Jotaro gained his stand as a result of Dio using the arrow
@@droidpenguin3648 and the fact that most joestar's stands has some kind of connection to each other Joseph and Holly have vine like stand and so does DIO or Jonathan's Passion stand. Most of the other Joestars has punching-ghost stand like Star Platinum,Stone Free,Gold Experience and Crazy Diamond all have powerful punches or have special effect when they throw their punches and so does The World with it's very powerful physique
Now this is one hell of a stretch
Also one of Jotaro's first actions is catching a bullet at point blank range. The same exact thing Dio did to find out his stand.
The World upright represents the culmination of a stage or aspect of one's life. Reversed it represents frustrating setbacks in achieving one's goals.
The Star represents the potential for growth from the combination of aspects present in your life already.
Source: I learned tarort because of Jojo
Edit: Now that I think about it, I got Temperance mixed up with the Star. The Star is more about a hopeful future.
Mfs really thought kakyoin had time to setup a whole art studio while fighting dio 💀💀💀
“hey um can you stand still for like 5 minutes”
*paints dio*
“what the fuck are you doing”
holly would die by the time kakyoin finishes the dio painting
No but why would he even draw jotaro in the first place?😭 So dramatic for what, kakyoin?
@@blingus_ yea, if anything, he just made himself more suspicious
I mean, the fact he painted in general and broke Jotaros leg with no reasoning behind the painting would lead most people to believe that he could paint dangerously
@@You-are-definitely-right-but his schoolmates would just think that he has a really obsessive crush on jotaro 💀
The painting was just kakyoin being dramatic
even when mind controlled he was still dramatic as always
Only thing I don't understand is, when Jotaro punches the shit out of Kakyoin as a beatdown, why did the doll just fly up for no reason? I doubt it was the air pressure, and Kakyoin and Jotaro most definitely didn't go out of their way to destroy it.
@@ilijansmokovski he punched the doll too
Griffinlovesmemez uwu
Oi, cherry boy, do you mind if I punch your expensive as fuck doll? Cool.
Yup he's just beining a posh bitch
Kakyoin: * shrinks stand * no one can deflect my 20 cm emerald blast
No one can feel my 2 inch pepe
Joseph JoeStalin ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
There's about I dunno 50 emeralds stuck in Joseph's head by now...
20 mm*
Wait if you shrink they rape a three year old would it count cause your -8 millimeters tall?
Part 1 & 2: 6 minutes long
Me: Huh, i guess these analysis are going to be nice and short
Part 3: *22 minutes long*
Me: _Oh, boy_
My guess part 4 maybe longer
well those parts are short compared to any other part in jojo, and most of the controversy comes from later parts
@@wilfridekoue1405 just two things from part 4 could be longer than this video
Yare yare
hoo boy...
This isn’t really on topic, I just find it funny that we have the stands The World and Star Platinum (named after the tarot for The Star) which are these humanoid, short ranged power type stands, but the stand The Sun is literally just a friggin sun.
Are ya winning Sun?
☀no
To be fair, we also thought that about Hermit Purple until Part 8
@@ICTON123 I believe that part 8 Hermit Purple is not the same as one from part 3.
In part 3 it had a hamon ability to see future
In part 8 it was moving in a different fashion, similar to a Ball Breaker spin, so it seems that Hermit Purple from part 8 was infused with spin, not hamon
Araki himself just thought it'd be funny if The Sun was as literal as it gets.
"Araki, what are the stands gonna look like?"
"Okay, so, you have the majority looking like humanoids, right? Then we have *looking around nervously* a car, a sun, some sand, water, the idea of magnetism, a sword, a shadow, literally just a bird, a fly, some goop, and a book. Oh, also two tentacle/vine like ones, but their different."
Araki forgot polnareff's eyebrows
This comment is underrated
There was official artwork of polnareff with eyebrows and its honestly terrifying
He must of shave to much then grow it back
xxxtentacion lmfao
I JUST NOW NOTICED HE DIDNT HAVE ANY :O
Imagine if star platinum couldn’t stop time and it’s ability was to have two extendable fingers
And only those 2 fingers can move in DIO's stooped time
@@self-proclaimedanimator Amazing, write that down for Part 10
and can copy any stand by saying "So its the same type of stand as Star Platinum"
the world would just grab those fingers and snap them off
@@jujokotaro4177 I hate how people go around stating it as fact
Not saying you are, but there are people who actually think Star Platinum can copy abilities like Boy 2 Man can.
Also Holly is not the only character who got sick because of a stand
People often seem to forget about Josuke
Holly and josuke got sick but nobody went to help josuke just because the only person who really knew about her was joseph and he abandoned her. Oh I guess you'd forget about the person you busted your 67 year old nut in but not your daughter? So selfish.. could've at least helped his son.
@@flamrequiem But if I remember well, Joseph didn't know about the existence of Josuke
@@arnaurovirabach-esteve7660 could've probably at least checked up on josukes mom. He was literally sleeping with her and leaving without thinking she might get pregnant?
And holly's stand disappeared but josuke's didn't 🤷 can somebody explain??
@@samarrawal8341 Is it confirmed that Holly's Stand disappeared? Because if it is, I don't know what to say
The whole "Why didn't DIO make more chimeras" thing is extremely funny to me because like, genuinely, why would he?
Dio loved to experiment with his vampiric abilities. But the chimera zombies really weren't useful so he didn't make more of them, it's as simple as that.
Right like i know hes a creepy guy but id think the gross chimeras would get annoying quick
@@alexfc679 but they're goofy looking
He made Nukesaku so I guess that's one
Yeah they weren’t like powerful minions. All they did is look creepy and that’s it.
Like the only time this ability was ever useful was 2 times in the entire series. One Being he used this power to attach his own head to Jonathan’s body, and two when he used it to reattached vanilla ice’s head back onto his body after giving him the vampire blood.
Star Platinum: *Brings Jotaro beer, a boom box, and the latest issue of Shounen Jump*
Jotaro: It's an "evil spirit"
Star Platinum:
Star Platinum: "Well you're no *fucking prize* either."
Ora! (Translation BRUH!)
Shogun Acosta Oruh
.-.
Star Platinum: BUT JOTARO, I JUST READ ABOUT THIS KENSHIRO GUY, YOU GOTTA CHECK HIM OUT
HE GOES ALL YATATATTATATATATATAH AND PEOPLE EXPLODE BEFORE HIM!
I wanna do that!
I'm gonna make my own version of that, it'll sound like ORAORAORAORAORAORA!
and I'll blast people away with it, it'll be fuckin awesome!
Im a little late but anyway. Kakyoin says “no one can just deflect the emerald splash” because he grew up without any friends or people with stands
I think I've heard that somewhere.
Iuuihi
You made me remember about kakyion, im now crying while typing this.
He meant that holly didnt miss the splashu
I find the whole "whatever Dio touches in stopped time can move with him" thing kinda funny cause if this weren't true I'd imagine him unable to move due to his clothes
Ya know if that were the case he probably would never have discovered the ability unless he sometimes trained while naked
He'd use Goku weighted clothing.
Now I'm thinking about naked dio running around using time stop. I don't like that.
Then again, his clothes healed with his leg after it got cut off by a shard of glass, so who knows? Maybe it IS a part of him after all.
@@tranqle73 what if DIO's clothes are made out of his flesh.
I always thought the explanation of Joseph not using Hamon to stop aging was so that he could grow old with his (supposedly) true love in his wife, Suzi Q
That’s actually so sweet what
Or it would be, if HE WEREN’T A GOD DAMN CHEATER
@@seang7578 he cheats at death, he cheats at life, so of course, he cheats on his wife
That "supposedly" hurts my soul
@@mrfact03sdo you… know how babies are made?
@@ethanherzig2769 of course,they come out of eggs,just like kakyoin's kid did
y'know, even if kakyoin's painting thing WAS an ability, how the hell would he use it lmfao
**in middle of a fight**
kakyoin: wait, hold on, stand still.
**starts to paint the enemy**
Yeah. Even I knew my first time it was just symbolism, and his way of toying with Jotaro.
LMAOOO
I had that feeling. Like, how would he have any of the time to do so when facing off in a battle?
He would've been knocked out before the fight even began also yeah It was just used to show he audience the assasin
I’m your mama 100th like
A character in JoJo is only dead when the Narrator says so.
*laughs in Joseph*
Joseph: your next line is joseph is dead
narrator: Joseph is de..nani
Tfw when Joseph cheated death not once but twice!
Like Okuyasu not dying. Don’t think the narrator announced it.
Spoiler comment.....
That feel when you thought bucciarati and narancia survived when golden experience repairs them
"Why didn't they revive Kakyoin with Dio's blood?"
CHEST! HOLE!
I'm still confused though about how vampire blood works. Wouldn't the person who receives vampire blood be able to regenerate flesh similar to how Dio does? Or is that restricted to vampires like Dio who were made into vampires via the stone mask?
People think thats a plot hole??? Why do they think thats a plothole when they clearly saw how kakyoin die?!?!?
Kakyoin isn't a hamon user, he would be a vampire.
@@mikeymod3665 im not sure, but imo its a conscious act. considering how vanilla ice, even though he was a fresh vampire, did not heal any wounds he received, but kept on fighting, while during jotaro vs dio fight when polnareff ambushed dio and impaled his head, dio probably focused on that area and healed. not sure though, its just what i think and its probably flawed too.
@@pekonipoika7274 vanilla ice is more of zombie than a vampire DIO didnt use the mask on him and zombie like tarkus and bruford
Jotaro: extends his stands finger
Everyone: That's awesome why doesn't he use that more
Jojo fans when they casually forget extendo arm Hamon, and proceed to say extending two fingers by like 3 inches is overpowered
@@jadyndenys7736 Yeah, Star Finger is literally proven to be slower than Star Platinum’s punches
@@ctrlaltrepeat245 like they straight up forgot zoom punches exist then when they see a far shittier version they act like a monkey seeing street magic.
Jojo fans forgetting that Star Platinum has a range limit
@@detomnz2024 I mean technically he could just vacuum them into range to punch them, that'd be a lot more effective than trying to stick his extending fingers into a weak spot when shit's moving.
plot twist: Kakyoin *did* have painting powers he just had art block. pray for Kakyoin.
If he actually had that as a power he would be way to op
Art block is the least of his problems
Dio proceeds to have his head chopped off allowing Johnathon’s body to release his spirit
😂
@@mikewzowske yeah
about the tarot cards:
imagine Jotaro saying: "this name sucks, i want to name my Stand Dark Destroyer Bloodfist!" when he draws his card.
I think he would name it Ocean Man
Lain no that is dark blue moon
Lain he would definitely do that if it was after part 4
@@Predator20357
Yeah.. Ocean Man is a 90's song and Jotaro was written in the 80's.
But i don't think his character would worked If he was only introduced in part 4.
Also it would be much better If DIO Stand was Holy diver, i mean his stand is literally a scuba diver 🤣
Jotaro turned into a marine biologist because he though DIO's race come from the ocean, i guess
bloodfist is what you call fisting gone horribly wrong
So Dio/Jonathan’s corpse was literally hiding under Erina? That’s just creepy.
That's Dió ladies and gentlemen
"thats our Dio! he does things that normal ppl wouldn't dare do"
@@gyiuutomioka6565 hahaha wtf
Just remember that Dio turned a woman into a vampire who then ate her baby in part 1.
*Dio the Dickhead*
I think it was said when Dio first took Jonathan’s body he didn’t have full control over it so Elizabeth & Lisa Lisa was protected & Dio need Jostar blood to fully claim the body
Star Platinum wants to learn Za Warudo.
Star Platinum already knows 4 moves!
Should a move be forgotten to make space for Za Warudo?
1, 2 and… Poof.
Star Platnium forgot Star Finger and… Star Platinum learned Za Warudo
Damn, we need to find a Move Tutor and delete Mach Punch
4 Moves..?
Mf the most Star Platinum has done is extend his fingers and suck in air really hard.
Any Stand can suck in air, Jotaro was just the first guy to have a reason to do it.
@@ctrlaltrepeat245 what about Ora Ora Ora and Bring Jotaro Shit?
Move one- ora
Move 2- ora
Move 3- ora
Move four- za wardo
@@battlesheep2552 Bring Jotaro Shit is just Extremespeed
Small Brain: No oNe CaN jUsT DeFeLcT tHe EmErAld SpLaSh
Big Brain: Kakyoin had never fought other stand users until Jotaro and only met another stand user with Dio so he wouldn't be as good fighting against other stand users and with only 50 days and since he didn't have too many fights he wouldn't be able to master the emerald splash
he prolly DID master ES when he was aboutta die, he had that epic bizzare flamey aura!
Jotaro has an A in everything except range, emerald splash probably did work with weaker characters
Then I have a genuine question, isn't stand users suppose to always meet each other through fate? Or is it because morioh is already abundant with stand users
@@Chen-vw5nc morioh is super abundant with stand users, and stand users tend to atract eachother
You do realize that it’s a meme right? No one is actually criticizing araki for writing that
It really sucks we didn’t get a scene of Kakyoin’s soul
That’s because his soul had to roam the earth to find another MILF Hunter
because he got reincarnated as Okuyasu.
He didn’t die
Because his soul didn't leave earth... ruclips.net/video/F33N1T5FFxI/видео.html
He didn't have one because he is a ginger
Kakyoin said “no one can just deflect the emerald splash” because he never actually fought a real stand
Also every one is questing it like guys he said it one time and in his first ever fight
Emerald splash is unblockable, Dio had to stop time to deflect them and Jotaro has the same type of stand as Dio so that's how Jotaro deflected it.
Munchkitten :3 Jotaro didnt know how to stop time then
@@bootyannihilator4931 yes, but it might have been instinctive, in the fight with the N'doul you see the same visual effects that Dio gets when he stops time, so maybe Jotaro stopped time accidentally.
I was hoping someone else said it!! Thank you
You know I always thought that when kakyoin said "No can defeat the emerald splash" I believe kakyoin honestly thought that, due to him having his stand since elementary school and since he was always alone he never had anyone who could see heirophant green he just blaintently thought no one could block from gigantic crystals each about the size of a finger going what looks like is moving just under the speed of a bullet.
Nobody else can see the emeralds. Its part of the mystic world so ppl would just be hurt for no perceptive reason.
@@Jkrocsko also no one would destroy them since they look beautiful
Star finger is common when Jotaro gets married.
And that's the technique he teached Jolyne aswell ;)
@@jack_snus
That is honestly pretty disturbing.
@@jack_snus *NO NO NO*
@@jack_snus Yes officer, this comment right here
@@jack_snus I'm glad that Pucci reset the universe
“Two stands cannot have the same power!”
Darby brother: allow us to introduce ourselves
Jotaro and DIO: allow us to introduce ourselves
aren't they related by blood so probably have "similar" stands
@@breastmilkgaming Okuyasu and Keicho are brothers yet their stands are extremely different
@@M4x_P0w3r maybe because they used stand arrows and Darby bros are born stand users
@@breastmilkgaming Exactly what I thought
*during a fight*
“Uhh lemme just”
*stands still*
‘Bro wtf you doing’
*stand becomes the size of a crumb*
‘how the fuck is that helpful’
Villain: imma kill you Kakyoin
Kakween: hold on a minute *starts painting the villain*
Villain: bruh
The crusaders: being killed by vanilla ice or dio
What the fandom thought would have them win:
Jotaro extending his finger
Dio: ZA- WARUDO! Tomare
Kakyoin: ...and red paint on the spirit photo... there.
Dio: Kono DIO ga! KONO DIO GA-! *explodes*
I do think there are some legitimate uses for this, especially for stands with a long range, or who’s ability might not be affected by size: koichis echoes act 2 for example, since its range is so far he could pull off some assasination type stuff, and fugos virus’s won’t lose effectiveness with size. Granted, you’d have to shrink your stand while hiding out of sight, then have it fly ever so slowly to your opponent, and idk if there were exact scenarios for koichi like that but I still think it’s useful
*step*
Plot Hole: Jotaro is the most popular guy in school, but he does not use this ability to amass a simp army and fight dio
That is not true
What good would a bunch of weak normal high school students do against Dio?
It's funny
@@khalilnevels8926 but DIO doesn't use Twitter???
@@hypermaeonyx4969 Damn the joke flew over your head like the twitter bird
Why doesn’t anybody ever talk about how gambler d’arby has a stand that looks EXACTLY LIKE *HANDSOME SQUIDWARD*
You're comment was soo good and ur pfp made it ever better 🤣
Fandom forgot
H O T
👌
I can’t see it as anything else and I hate you
I imagine that Ceasar and Kakyoin would be great friends
Because one got turned into a pancake and the other got turned into a donut?
Lol
Imagine the stories they could share
And don't forget to add Abbachio to the list
I'm just adding another comment because it had four replies.
Everyone keeps talking about Star Finger, or "they're the same type of stand", but the transitive property works both ways.
In the strangest alternate reality, we could have gotten *World Finger.*
*ZA FINGER* (sniper noise)
The pistols...
SEX WORLD
@@gokusoloscope World Pistols
T H E S E X
or the finger
@@beansya8967 when u 18
Moment
I think the painting and puppet for Kakyoin could've simply been possessed Kakyoin keeping Jotaro guessing about his abilities
And just genuinely fucking with him.
With each enemy stand user acting odd, it could’ve been Possessed Kakyoin just screwing with jotaro.
Hell the puppet could be saying how the nurse his puppet.
I hate how people say
"Dio doesn't know what a car is, but knows what's a flight attendant"
Even though when he saw a car he referred to it as an "automobile" instead of "what is this?"
yeah some people take one-off scenes and take them way too seriously and yet somehow fail think about one certain stand user
Va.pires have high iq
@@mrfishman9016 stands weren’t introduced until p3
KARS
I think DIO reads books to understand some of them and travels the world
I feel like Jotaro could’ve learned Hamon in like 5 seconds. He’ll be like “I’ve already figured it out. All I have to do is B R E A T H E.” He’d probably end up having a finishing move like Hamon Oradrive
Flash rex yeah I know that’s why it would be kind of like a joke thing I guess. Remember when he went against D’Arby and figured out how to play the game in like ten seconds? It would be something like that where he somehow, probably because he’s Jotaro, he nearly perfects his Hamon
@@mcguzzy03 Except it wasn't Jotaro who beat D'Arby at the game. Joseph used his Hermit Purple to use a controller. Jotaro was just bluffing.
I thought that was a typo
Dude if Jotaro could have learned Hamon, Dio wouldn't have stood a CHANCE. One good hit from SP would destroy him. Done and done.
"Gg i stole your move." "OH MY GOD!"
The “Has Dio never seen a car before got me.”
You know whenever someone’s like ‘back in my day we had to use the phone book to contact people’
That. He’s literally doing just that, and people do this *daily.*
Plz fix the "s
@@Molten546 fix your OCD
HES A FUCKING BOOMER
Btw dio actually hasn’t seen cars before 1988
The part six flashbacks happen in 1988 still
I like the theory that the stuff Star Platinum brings to Jotaro is from the Police's confiscated merchandise room, that could be near the cells area. Makes sense to me.
None of it is illegal though.
@@SotiCoto It's illegal if someone was smuggling it or it was stolen... Like from a stolen truck, for example. Then, it can be confiscated.
@@SotiCotoevidence gets locked up regardless
“Part three has the most disinformation spread about it”
Jojolion: “allow me to introduce myself”
I was so innocent back then
For real, many people still believe Jobin is the main villian
I have a friend who still believes this
Hamon Beat Damn, there’s *that* much misinfo about JoJolion that it surpasses Stardust Crusaders?! Wow!
Hamon Beat Can you do a video about rock humans? I don’t really understand them tbh
@@triangulum8869 That may have to wait. They haven't really been fully explained in-universe so giving a rundown wouldn't be too effective at the moment.
Kakyoin is just an artistic boy, that's why he uses paintings and puppets to emphasize his stand's actions.
Nice ulyana pfp!!
17:40 How is this a plot hole?
Dio is literally just saying "Oh, Cars. *Cool.* "
I read this as "oh, kars. cool" and was thoroughly confused
Joseph: Wait a minute I seen this Kars before
Dio: Ah, back in my youth days, there were only wagon carried by horses. Now such wagon has machine more powerful and much faster. How time flies!
Fans: so you were saying that you never saw a car before, right? You never know what a car is, right?
@@derrilazkia1002 Then DIO breaks the driver's fucking arm and kills MARIO!
@@Densester but Mario came back. Too bad Black Sabbath had to kill him though.
The reason the stand was invisible in the scene of Star Platinum beating up the shark is because it was meant to represent what a non-stand user saw
yes, it's Anne's POV (idk if that's how u spell her name :v)
If you can understand the reasoning in that scene, you can understand why Hierophant Green was invisible when Kakyoin was first introduced. It was simply a way to build up anticipation of how much of a threat he'd be and what his powers are. Retrospectively, it's also a good thematic choice given Kakyoin's backstory.
@@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264 I thought it was just that Hierophant was busy being in ambush as monofillament wire because DIO-steered Kakyoin is one dramatic dude
@@sebastien-loikntsangou-kan5264true but man jotaro should've seen it, guess it was not his day
Lmao Dio isn’t surprised to see a car, he’s remarking at how useful they are compared to what he used to ride in.
"a computer is truly an amazing piece of technology. back in my day we didnt have such things"
"YoUvE neVeR seEn a ComPutEr beFoRE ?"
I personally think that the whole painting ability thing was just to not spoil Kakyoin's stand.
I always saw it as a cool way of intruducing kakyoin, a lot of enemy stand users are intruduced in mysterius ways.
@@simonj6801 ^
For me it seemed more like a flex if nothing else. H.Green is a super stealthy and assassination-type stand, and Kakyoin is incredibly smart. Being incredibly smart comes with wanting to flex that brain (even if it is partially impaled). If I had his stand I'd probably do that stupid painting and puppet stuff too just to throw them off my case.
@@clayxros576 Especially when so much of Stand fighting relies on the enemy not knowing your abilities, confusing them with paintings and puppets is a great plan. Too bad DIO's minions knew the Crusader's abilities or else we might have gotten more of that from Kakyoin.
@@onyxrose4349
Part of the issue is that Kak was controlled by DIO prior to that, so he didn't even have a chance to pull it with them. DIO probably informed the others what Kak's abilities were.
I personally think Kakyoin was surprised that Jotaro deflected the Emerald Splash, because he's never fought another Stand user before that. Therefore, he's never fought anyone who could see the attack coming.
We even see Dio doing the exact same thing later in SD too.
No one actually deflects the emerald splash except DIO and Jotaro
Most of them just dodged and lovers clones
@@Uragaking Don't forget The Sun.
@@Uragaking do you think crazy diamond would be able to do it?
Or fight against it
These “Araki forgot” moments are just “Fans forgot” moments
Or Fans absorbing information from youtube clips despite the fact that JoJo’s is FREE to watch on crunchyroll
@@ctrlaltrepeat245 or fans taking a joke too seriously
Change my mind
I think its just the lack of clarity and detail in certain moments. A lot of these Araki Forgot explanations are like okay yeah i guess that makes sense... But the fact that someone other than the author has to explain (more like defend) it and that theres these moments that the majority of people are confused by in the first place speaks to something outside of everyone individually just happening to be stupid. If you go back and read past parts can you come up with an explanation in your head for why x thing happened? Sure, but it would be a lot better if the author had in the moment of x happening acknowledged it at all, instead of needing to make a fan theory for things every time.
@@Bunnibunnibunni If the author had to explain each and every minute detail the story would suffer. None of the explanations are exactly a stretch. If people are confused about something all they have to do is think about it for a little bit instead of having to be spoon fed everything
I like how people expect kakyoin to use his art powers on dio, Like what is he gonna do? Pull out a full on art set and perfectly draws dio?💀
"Hold up Dio. I know, we are fighting right now, but could you please stand still or a while? I want to use my art powers."
Draw a Clock lol
@Durgesh Mahindrakar U mean the barrier?
Maybe star platinum could draw it since he was able to draw the fly quicky.
Before he fights just pant him and boom you are not a donut anymore
An actual araki forgot moment is that there were two stands named earth wind and fire before araki renamed the second one after it was released
Yes
The second one was Planet Waves, wasn't it?
@@TheAzulmagia yeah he renamed it when it was released in volumes. In the original release it was earth wind and fire
But the part 4 guy is an alien tho
@@0oh_no that was purporsely left ambiguous
“Once Dio was defeated, they’d let him go home.” Yeah, about that...
i cried when he and avdol died
Well they did tell him to wait outside but he refused......
* kik * * splatt *
He did go home, he went to hecc
Iggy, Avdol, and Kakyoin missed the last train home :(
6:18
Basically, Kakyoin understands you need to be dramatic while doing evil
Oh no! DIO is back but this time in all capital letters!
He left his body as well as his last names behind!
@@Jack_Woods he is Dio joestar in Crusader cause he left his Brando (body) behind
Ye
I think Star Platinum's range issue is more a "Araki changed his mind" rather than "Araki forgot" issue. Besides, it was just a comical way to hint that SP wasn't really a evil spirit.
TheSunTitan well at first he was going for stands have unlimited range but lessen in power the farther they are thus stands with 5 meters as their range would be most powerful behind that distance but could go as far as the user made them. Then Araki decided that they would stop at that mark instead since it would literally be star platinum and other close range stands would have that far distance but less power trade off and that would be a little bit dull to technically have all stands being long distance stands so that’s most likely why he changed it
Araki does hv a lot instances of bad writing though. A lot of the debunking done in this video is basically giving araki and the show the benefit of a doubt instead of concrete evidence
Mak Chot literally. Most of these are “it’s not an Araki forgot they just changed their mind” excuses
Did you all not watch video?
Easier explanation, all that stuff was smuggled by the surrounding cell mates so it fits the two meter range
I find the significant possibility of dio being awake in the coffin at first hilarious
Dio: finally I have claimed Jonathans body, as soon as the sun goes down I'll be free to rule without any pesky joestars to get in my wa-
Erina: *sends the coffin back into the sea*
Dio: wait no-
😂😂
*mutahar laugh
There is a new video by Dankbidoof about Dio and the coffin
"Everyone Is Talking How did Araki Forgot But No One Asks Why Did Araki forgot..."
Araki hot alzheimer's dog
Forget*
😞
araki thougth once about jail house lock and he forgot until he made her own arc
"Sad Araki forgot noises"
Joseph: ''I'll never forgive the Japanese "
Also Joseph: **cheats on wife with Japanese college girl and literally impregnates her**
Joseph: "Yeah fuck the Japanese!!"
Tomoko: "you can atleast take me out to dinner but you know what I'll entertain you"
I still use Star Finger, just for, uh, Different purposes
0_0
So jolynes mom was pretty happy, huh?
In theory, can you use star cock? Asking for a friend
Velocity Peasant what the hell is wrong with you
@@linkified0471 I ask myself that every time I get up
I think the reason Kakyoin said no one can deflect the emerald splash because at that point the only other person he met with a stand was DIO
Generally speaking I always thought that "Araki forgot" meme was mostly a joke, because even if indeed forget something, I still love the work and it adds to the weirdness and bizzarre of the work.
honestly I think a writer can forget smal details or make light retcons to theire work without them becoming a bad writer for it.
Yes, a writer should generaly stay consistent with their rules and having retcons that are to contradictory or big are annoying, but a lot of the "forgot" things are minor nitpics.
Personally I am fine with pretending Dio had a chance to get into the coffing and that it then just sank into the ocean after Erina got rescued if it means I get Stardus Crusaders out of it (although it would have been better for the anime to have Erina go into a life boat instead of goig into the coffin, would have completly solved this little plothole).
It is sloppy on a writing prospective, but it isn't all that important and it creates a good set up for a well written story, so I think it is completly forgiveable.
It is indeed a joke. It's just that a minority take it seriously, and Hamon Beat waste is time with obvious and/or bad faith argument to justify everything Araki really did or did not forgot for an extreme minor number of people who will probably never listen to him anyway.
I will say HB made more harm than good by spreading a false sentiment of toxicity beetween members of the JJBA community.
@@corrinthechocolatine4025 I mean, if people make assumptions about things that Araki forgot, it's okay to point out why they are mistaken. In a respectful manner.
Corrin The chocolatine fr I think the majority know that the Araki forgot memes are really just for fun but some people wanna take it too seriously lol
Yeah, this. Idk, I kinda feel like one of the main charms of JoJo is just the sheer amount of bullshit that happens. It's kinda just fun. We can make fun of the series for it, but like, ultimately I find that even when meant seriously, it doesn't hamper almost anyone's enjoyment of the series. Like, I still think the dio coffin thing is total bullshit, but what the fuck ever, it's JoJo, who cares??
I mean, this guy cares a lot, apparently, but.
*giving them very strong stands*
Hermit purple: Hold my beer
indiana jones
I mean, Joseph already had his spotlight in part 2. And hermit purple is pretty good.
@@aidandillon8402 it's still extremely useless for combat tho
It’s really good for tracking people and mobility as it can be used as a grappling hook but for combat it’s almost useless.
Hermit purple is a good stand for someone using Hamon as they do not need to wear tactical outfit made out of thousand beetles or something
Also it is like a GPS but in 1980s
Araki said Joseph is still alive in part 6.
When he did blood exchanging, he took a *little* of DIO blood and thats why he’s the oldest Joestar of all time
Holy cow, your right.
Knowing part 6 takes place in 2011, Joseph was Born in 1920, damn, 91 Years old
wait, shit your right
And he is fine in sunlight, Joseph became the ultimate life form
Some people can live into their 90s.
0:24 - DIO's coffin
2:55-Star Platinum bringing objects
3:35-Stand suffocation
4:20-Joseph's age
5:01- Dio's chimeras
5:23-Kakyoin's paintings
6:24-Hierophant's posession
7:28-No One Can Deflect The Emerald Splash
7:51-Hamon forgotten
8:20-Holly's weakness
9:28-Tarot names
10:00- Jonathan's Stand(""The Passion"")
10:57-Flesh buds
11:36-J. Guile umbrella
11:56-Anne
12:17- WHY DIDN'T JOTARO USE STAR FINGER TO FIX MY LOVELESS MARRIAGE?!
13:05-Stands can see?
13:27-Fake Kakyoin
13:52-Stand shrinking
14:26-DIO vs THE SUN
14:58-Polnareff's earrings
15:25-Joseph didn't use hamon during D'Arby fight
15:56-DIO's copy bY Iggy and Polnareff's mimicry
16:27-Silver Stripper
16:53-DIO doesn't use vampiric powers
17:39-DIO is a boomer
18:06-Final fight flying
18:35-So it's the same tYpe of stand?
19:46-Joseph's revival
"Joseph has a supernatural TENDENCY to cheat death" I saw what you did there mister
Battle TENDENCY yes I got it 👍
Death isn’t the only thing he cheats on
@@squiffy6741 dude is basically cheat his way through life
Polnareff his presumably thick French accent doing an impression of a very English DIO is a hilarious thought that I can no longer escape
Fun fact: when Kakyoin has never fought a stand user, so the only people that couldn’t deflect it were his bullies.
It's always interesting when someone has been a stand user for years and has never met another one. Jotaro gets in contact with Joseph and Avdol quickly after discovering it and finally gets educated about the nature if his "evil spirit".
Kira only finds out that other stand users exist after 15 years of exploding people, I believe.
If we take stand possession as a metaphor for homosexuality, then Jotaro is one who is disgusted by his desires which seem unnatural to him. Then he end up finding a community of similar people and is no longer an outcast. The same is true for Kakyoin. He finally finds a group of people who underSTAND him, and thus his last 50 days are the happiest of his life.
@@cutecommie What?
So Kakyoin was just going around murdering the crap out of normal people before he became a MILF hunter.
Really the emerald splash was deflected only twice. Once by Jotaro and once by DIO.
@@cutecommiethis is a kinda weird comparison but kinda hilarious
I thought that Dio didn't come out of the coffin until a century later because:
1) He was stuck in the middle of the ocean. There aren't many places where he could have hid away from sunlight during the day. Better to wait until something happens.
2) Taking control of Jonathan's body took a REALLY long time. Dio simply was in no condition of escaping.
Yeah, not to mention dio had no way of telling time, esp if he was to deep
@@trhytuhtfyjutrfh The coffin's made of iron or reinforced with it, so less "he had no way of telling time" and more "he couldn't even get out if he WANTED to. The pressure at the bottom of the ocean would have been pushing in on the coffin from all sides and unless Dio wanted to check out if vampires can survive violent decompression (protip, that generally results in being turned into paste), he'd be stuck in there until something pulled him out.
about the emerald splash.... kakyoin hadn't really fought anyone up until that point.
J4NB0 He might have used it on some people when he was being brainwashed. And I mean all of the villains were surprised when they lost.
dio? im not sure if he fought whit dio when they meet for the first time but dio did know he was a stand user so maybe they did
Simon Delgado he didn’t fight dio he tried to run away but dio got him and took over his brain. They go more in depth on that in the second d’Arby’s fight
Also, the only two stands to actually deflect it are the same type of super powerful stand...
Kali Takumi Well, technically DIO used his hands, also The Sun deflected it at one point, at least in the anime.
We actually have seen stand shrinking make a return: In Jojolion, Yoshikage Kira shrinks SHA inside of a person's blood vessels to clear blood clots, while they are otherwise palm sized as it was in part 4.
Bruh
Also when Abbachio looked for the balloon deflating guy
Killer queen part 8 can just do that, no evidence shows that part 4 kira could shrink SHA, just how part 8 killer queen can have more than one SHA.
Regardless, stand shrinking is pretty much useless except in very specific situations, like the soft machine fight
@@joshuazeppeli5199 it's still an ability to shrink a stand tho
I wonder if it's possible to make your stand larger
imagine Jonathan just sliding into frame and going "HERMIT BLUE"
Ovadruvuuuu
HAMITTO BORUUU OBADORAIBU
Actually Johnathan’s stand is reddish
@@omnisystem6030 HERMIT RED!
@@matthewhamilton2913 HERMIT CRIMSON
We know araki didn’t forget stand shrinking because we see it again when moody blues is in the pipes of the boat during the soft machine fight
Yes.
that was more due to the fact moody blues takes on any property of the body its replicating, rather than stand shrinking. narancia body got smol, so moody blues got smol as well. thats it
The painting with Kakyoin to me was probably to show Heirophant where to attack, or to show us the audience where Heirophant was going to attack. The puppet was probably a scare tactic, or just Kakyoin being showboaty.
It makes sense as a showboating bait move tbh. To someone who'd never fought another stand user and had no prior knowledge of kakyoin's abilities (jotaro) then he could use the puppet and stuff to make it seem like an important part of his stand powers to try and force sloppy moves from his enemy
Kakyoin just likes to show off
Nice observation.
@@milestone1719 Thank you.
@@sidneyprice5514 your welcome now I will pass by.
I like the idea (thematically) that the reason DIO has The World and a variation of Hermit Purple is that everything he’s had in some way is stolen from the Joestars. I know it’s never stated as such but it makes Jotaro beating him with the same ability so much more satisfying
god tier comment
Diego is worst thief
The World=Joestar Bloodline stolen by Dio
Star Platinum=Joestar Bloodline properly inherited by Jotaro
It's a nice idea for the main universe but doesn't really mesh that well in the SBR.
Ok...
Wait a minute...
'Who is the original time stopper that inherited the time stop ability?!!!"
Star finger: exists
Rule 34 artists: "I know what I have to do."
you know the rules, and so do i
@@-theLaila Say Goodbye,
STAR FINGAH
@@rita-Shi-Mi "What are you doing step-stand?"
no
*Yes*
Hey wait My grandfather knew you
The strangulation thing is actually easier to explain and makes perfect sense. When you're stand is affected by something, so are you. If your stand gets choked, your neck gets squeezed too. So even if the stand doesn't need air, strangling them still suffocated the user.
i feel like most things deemed as "araki forgot" moments are most often more along the lines of "araki just changed the rules later on to serve the story in a better way" moments
I agree. Star Platinum grabbing things from the cell clearly breaks the rules of stands, but this is the very first scene were stands are even talked about. The rules weren't set in stone at the very beginning of part 3.
Yea, but you know that changing the rules is what people mean when they say araki forgot.
@@skeleton8559 .......that was literally covered in this video
@@skeleton8559 well he did have a range of 10 meters and he can go thorough walls, so he could have just grabbed them from the guard's office or the visitors room. Like he can go 10 metres upwards and snatch stuff from people walking by
"there are no stands with the same power"
Laughs in d'arby
"No one can have more than one stand"
Laughs in Sheer Heart Attack
"But why does-"
"FATE"
"Understandable, have a nice day"
I mean yeah, thats jojo for you, do you want science? Do you want Accuracy? Have an arrow that gives you the ability to set anything to 0, have fun figuring that out!!
Remember when Joseph threatened girls with a French kiss
And then the old woman was going to french kiss him in part 3
@@JoeH3rz-3 What goes around comes around
Remember when Caesar put a pigeon in a girl's mouth
@@jackjohnson8055 that was Joseph
@@jackjohnson8055 that was joseph
Something interesting about the "Dio having all stands" theory I realized:
Dio does not have every stand, of course, but he DOES have every stand of the joestar bloodline (at the time, because remember that Josuke and Giorno were not stand users during when Dio was alive). He had Star Platinum in the form of The World, since they have been shown to be the exact same stand. He has Hermit Purple, as seen through him using it multiple times. He also even has Holly's stand. During the D'arby the Player fight, when Kakyoin has the flashback with him first confronting Dio, we can see the thorny plant Stand around Dio and Kakyoin both in the anime and manga. People say that Araki has terrible memory, but in reality he's a genius with his story.
Didn't Josuke go through the same thing as Holly? so his stand was there, it just couldn't be controlled
@@MitruMesre potentially.
I will call Holly's stand Thorny path
@@level3personal690 I like it!
@@simochiothereal4382 thanks
13:51 "Hold on, Dio. Let me shrink my stand so we can fight"
Dio:......
The world: ......
*steps on hierophant green*
@@goingtoregretthis3792 kakyoin: deflates
@@goingtoregretthis3792 Kakyoin:*becomes pancake instead of donut*
@@kiyodumpz don't you mean *becomes Caesar*
@@goingtoregretthis3792 *claps its hands together like you do a mosquito*
I love Jotaro's cell stash. Just imagine Star Platinum walking through the police station carrying an exercise bike into Jotaro's cell as the guards just watch it slowly float through the station.
I don't think we ever see the text box appear that declares death/retirement for DIO
But it did appear for Johnathan
Tho that's the anime, don't know what happens in the manga, haven't checked
@@it6647 the textbox did appear
@@NobleRaider2747 I meant at the end of part 1
When it comes to techniques, a lot of people seem to believe that JoJo should be more like Naruto or DBZ where a character uses the same move in every single fight. Maybe Jotaro just doesn't like Starfinger? Ever considered that?
The oraora. Literally.
@@iamyul3498 That isn't even a move depending on how you look at it, I see it as SP just wailing on someone. No real technique at all
I realize this is a really old video and it’s silly to comment this now, but there’s something really chilling about Jonathan’s defiled undead body obtaining a stand because of Dio. It’s genuinely a zombie stand.
I hate people who say that "No Stand can bring life back" is a plot hole when Star Platinum basically just did what a defibrillator does. It wasn't an actual Stand power.
Ignoring Joseph's brain wasnt firing and was starved of oxygen for how long in real time was the dio fight?
What about crazy diamond bringing back Haiato who had been exploded into literal pieces by killer queens bomb, like thousands of pieces of his head and body and arms and legs? Let me guess, since he had only been in a thousand pieces for a few seconds he weren’t really dead yet.
@@joshuaperkins9344
Few seconds? Try a milisecond. Did you forget how fast Crazy Diamond is? He's deadass faster than Star Platinum.
If thats your argument then you'd have to have problems with Josuke punching a HOLE into his moms torso.
@@revolvingworld2676 Idk if faster than Star Platinum in general, but that restoration ability is fast as fuck.
RevolvingWorld he isn’t faster
it's honestly astounding how often fans will disregard dramatic effect and cinematography so they can nit pick
This is Very noticeble in kars fight where people call it Deus ex Machina but it was Just dramatic efect
It could have easily Just have been the rocks, but araki but the arm as well so it was cooler
That's the whole anime community in general.
the fact that people have to debunk makes it bad writing either way. really? a secret compartment to the coffin? it’s obvious that he forgot and was covering it up.
@@m335am "Man I die if I enter sunlight. Maybe I should make the only entrance be on top of the coffin so if it's opened in direct sunlight I'll instantly die"
11:21 Imagine seeing this out of context
JoJo out of context as a whole is SORE
SUPER bizarre. Like it's already weird but without context is another ballpark
He pissed heself
@@matthewhamilton2913 👏 👏 👏
@@beansya8967 :)
wait.. that means
😂🤝 my man
People really be like "Damn, something I don't like happened? Araki forgot!"
Araki: only other stand users can see stands
JoJo: *ship stand*
Araki: only stands can defeat other stands
JoJo: *no.*
@Purple Panther The Tower and the Ship aren't the stands. Strength and Super Fly are bound to those objects like ghosts haunting a house. And since the Tower and the Ship are real, of course anyone can see them
@@Alexgaby15Channel so love deluxe
@@snwoop7921 ita bound to her hair whch is an object
@@Alexgaby15Channel or its a yellow temperance situation and its just a visible stand
Since when has a non-stand beat a stand?
edit: not by beating the user
You actually made me understand Stands more, thank you. I still miss Hamon a bit though. When I saw Stardust Crusaders, the change from Hamon to Stands seemed a bit sudden to me, and I was like "where did this brand new ability come from". That not everyone needs Dio and the arrow to awaken a Stand was the key element I was missing. You explaining Tonio and Aya helped to clear up the confusion a bit. As in there could exist Stands for example in Jonathan's time as well, Jonathan just didn't encounter Stand users, so we didn't see them.
Jonathan also wouldnt even know if he met a stand user because he wouldntve been able to see them
I don't really like the idea of people awakening Stands, at least not at a young age. Imagine Kakyoin as a kid, we see a little of his backstory near the end but imagine being a child, seeing this thing that nobody else can, knowing you're not crazy but being unable to tell anyone because they thought you would be. You'd go insane. But you are correct, in canon, we don't see Stand users in Parts 1 and 2 because there is no reason to, however, the truth is, they just hadn't been thought of yet.
@@mooganify that..was literally one of the points of Kakyoin’s character. Though he found comfort in his Stand so he didn’t go crazy
I remember there being a theory that Stands are a type of Hamon.
I mean, even though it’s not the official name, I still prefer to think of Johnathan’s Stand as being called “The Passion” since it’s a cool name
JoGeJo I know, I read the wiki. It’s still a cool name
I mean it originally was called "Hermit Purple 2" then just "Jonathan's Stand" so one day it might be called that
"The Passion" fits Jonathan's character very well too
Good lord half of these claims can be summed up as:
"Remember when this character used this move to get out of a specific scenario and that scenario never came up again?"
Silly.
Great series so far!
Only thing I'd argue that you're flat out wrong on is Star Platinum getting things for Jotaro. In part 4, it's made VERY clear that stand ranges are absolute. During the fight with Hazamada, Crazy Diamond's fist stops at its range limit, with Surface just out of range. It wasn't a severely weakened punch for going out of range, Crazy Diamond could not physically go past its range. The same is mentioned in Koichi's fight with Yukako, when he sends Echoes to the pay phone. He remarks about how lucky he is that it's just inside Echoes' range. And that was before he needed to use his ability to put the dial tones on Yukako's arm, so it wasn't about it being within range for his ability to work, but within his range for Echoes to even reach it.
That said, the moment isn't an "Araki forgot" moment, necessarily, but rather an "Araki changed the rules later on" moment.
Savos Mok there’s a theory that I like to stick to, where Star Platinum’s actual ability is to be what Jotaro needs it to be. It doesn’t get a full form until after he sees Magician’s Red, thinking “Oh it’s supposed to be humanoid and buff”. Before that, we see a hand stop the bullet, but that’s because Jotaro needed the bullet to be stopped. Star Platinum needed Jotaro to know he was friendly, so he got him gifts and didn’t truly become a fully realized stand until Jotaro knew what a stand was
@@thefunniestvalentine4789 I think that's it's more the stand is still developing so that's why it can go the distance and such and perhaps maybe that's why he isn't able to stop time until the fight with Dio cause he realises dios ability and because his stand is still developing he just makes it stop time
@@danielshore1457 It would also explain why Jotaro (and the audience) doesn't see Kakyoin attack him with Heirophant Green that first time. He's still developing as a stand user, so it's possible for him to just not see stands right away if they aren't fully manifested.
"That said, the moment isn't an "Araki forgot" moment, necessarily, but rather an "Araki changed the rules later on" moment."
That IS an "Araki forgot". What you just described is an "Araki forgot"
When fans say "Araki forgot", they don't literally mean that Araki forgot something, we're just using it as a catch-all term fro various inconsistencies.