Honestly, I like Warping Wail. There aren't... any ways really to protect your whole board in colorless. I think the ability to stop most board wipes is worth it, considering the amount of mana it would take to rebuild.
Pretty much exactly what I have planned also adding Ugin the spirit dragon for more removal. I am def keeping warping wail in though to stop sorcery speed boardwipes
warping wail is actually the best card to protect this deck against the worse thing that the deck has to handle: boardwipes. Also in the first turns is actually ramp if you need it.
I entirely agree with many of your creature choices. I will nonetheless direct attention to that cutting instant-speed interaction is very dangerous in a colorless deck. There is very little overall instant speed interaction that can be placed in the deck to replace what those cards contribute. Instead, I would encourage people to look at the creatures with mana cost below 7 (no interaction with the commander ability) and whether it is an idea to cut those and add more mana rocks. Perilous Vault (effectively a 9 mana exile all non-land permanents) will also have a massive impact on our own mana rocks, so alternatively it could be an idea to cut that and keep warping wail. We also have 15 wastes to play around with, which is way too many colorless lands without extra abilities. Cutting some of those for cheap colorless utility lands is usually the first upgrade that a lot of people tend to want to include.
My first game with this deck, right out of the box, I hit 3 of the 4 X spells on my first 2 large spells that triggered cascade cascade... Instantly got cut when i went to upgrade this deck.
I was conflicted on which precon to preorder. I wanted to get either Eldrazi Unbound or Sliver Swarm, I ended up going with Sliver Swarm. But I will eventually get Eldrazi Unbound as well. I can't wait to see the upgrades for the Sliver Swarm precon as well.
Feel like warping wail is still good in this deck just because board wipes are sorceries.. vandalblast, farewell, astere command etc. colorless needs so much mana and relies on so much on artifact ramp that if you get wiped ur jus outta the game. Not to mention the best draw mechanics in the deck are also very high mana cost( Kozileks) Not that this card completely solves that but I feel like it’s come up enough.
Even after watching the professor's video that the Eldrazi Unbound deck isn't worth it... I'm still buying it, I get to play and start a Eldrazi colorless deck.😅
Scroll rack is great for the face commander. You can set up your Cascades. Palantir of orthane good cheap card draw that people can mill you but they take damage to cmc. Commander plate is fun protection. Portal to phyrexia, ugin the spirt dragon. I know these are expensive 10$ and above but they can definitely work.
Can't wait to get my hands on the deck I've been gathering all eldrazi upgrades ever since the decks were announced. Great video and I hope too see a further upgrade guide.
Insane that you're cutting Metalwork Colossus. Big things with reduced costs is EXACTLY what the deck wants, whether you're playing aggro or combo. This, Myr Enforcer, and Sojourner's Companion are by far the best cards in the deck because you can often make them free or nearly free 3 spells!
While I agree that Deceiver of Forms was one of my first thoughts for this deck. I do feel that people are sleeping on Ugins Mastery. As someone who plays alot of manefest cards in my morph deck the mechanic catches people off guard and anything allowing you to cheat the costs on your big creatures is worth it.
Warping Wail is for stopping board wipes (ex. Wrath of God). Spatial Contortion can let your commander with Commander's Plate 2 shot an opponent. Both instants can also help cheapen Emrakul, the Promised End. I also think Crucible of Worlds is mandatory. You're colorless, which means your creatures are big, you don't have a lot of spells, and most of your artifacts make mana, and all you have left is your lands, so you need some lands that can do spell-like things, most of which require being sacrificed.
Hard agree on cutting Ugin’s Mastery tbh. Flipping means you don’t get cast/ETB triggers so instead of being able to double cascade into something you get a super weak creature that could MAYBE get flipped as a combat trick but you won’t get the annihilator trigger
I will take a completely free titan that doesn't get its etb or attack trigger over paying the extra 10 mana, though. Besides the fact that it also doesn't remove any card advantage since you didn't need to cast anything I feel like you're looking a gift horse in the mouth. A totally free 10/10 is definitely worth it, at the very least it'll bait spot removal and at the most you just cheated out a titan. The very worst case scenario for Ugin's Mastery is that you get a 2/2 token every single time you cast a creature spell, and that isn't too bad by itself.
Nothing sucks more than to cascade into a mana sink such as endless one or stonecoil. Even a mana rock is better to cascade into. I personally run also akroma’s memorial, planar bridge and sculpting steel and managed to fit in the infinite mana combo made with basalt monolith and rings of brighthearth
I'm really disappointed there isn't a Eldrazi commander that lets us use our Devoid creatures and cards. Just something that says 'if a spell has devoid on it, change its color identity to colorless' we have so many options that we just can't use because they *technically* have a color identity that isn't colorless.
@@hmmmhmmm5468 I feel bad for the players who sit down and show off a proxied deck. Hobbies require time and effort , mpcfill is for the broke and noob players
Cascade cares about the mana value of a card, regardless of how much you’re casting it for. So if you managed to cast a spell for free, cascade would trigger off how much the spell would have cost. Hope this helps!
Removing Warping Wail makes this deck wors not better. This is one of the really small number protection from Board Wipes, and Yes if you will have 2 or more big Eldrazi - board wipes will appear.... Ugins Mastery is really good card. After You add "more" good TOP ENDS, its even better... On top of that it can be "suprise" attack of 12/12 etc. Yes its not super synergestic with ouer deck, but i think its enought good to be here - better then most of the "small" costed Eldrazi you want to add (Smasher or Seer are really "meeeh" for EDH... ) . I agree that tap-lands are not great - but I would keep Mirrorpool - this is the best deck for its last ability. Sure You cannot coppy any legendary, but you still can copy other big ones, and you can copy "Rise of Eldrazi" :d Ps. I think its much more then 103$ now - some of the Eldrazi cards spike - like Eye of Ugin.
You'd probably be dead by the time you cast those. Your aim with this deck is to atleast get off 1-2 triggers of Zhulodok and you need board presence asap. Added those in in my previous games well I died even before I got those off.
It's an interesting video, but there is no easy you are finding all of these cards for under/at $100 in the summer of 2023. Even finding them in stock is difficult.
I’ve already lost a friendship with my incomplete build of this deck against a completed deck. Metal work is always free or near free and taking out free spells is dumb.
I feel like this deck will not work well until turn 5/6. I love the but if most of the people I play with are setting up their win by turn 3/4. The deck feels slow I guess. Am I missing something
Then you play against cedh decks, which is not a problem of the eldrazi deck by itself, if you want to play with more varied decks, try playing with lower power tables
I love how in this video you add 20 cards (Fellwar Stone) and only take out 19 then in the $300 video you completely forget to mention that you added Fellwar stone lol. Also I know I'm late. P.S. I Love y'all's upgrade videos keep up the great work.
@@GuysThatMagic wow I wasn't expecting a response from you guys let alone so fast. Thank you that is awesome. You guys make my favorite MTG content right now keep up the amazing work.
I was disappointed in the original list. Colorless is my favorite “color” in magic and it had cool new spells but the amount of Eldrazi was pitiful given the name of the deck. So happy David took the deck in the proper tribal direction bc that’s how I’ll be building mine
At the time of recording these additions came out to about $100, but as the deck is getting more attention some card prices are fluctuating.
As of 2024 in Australia, to buy all the upgraded will set you back around $495 dollars
For those of you watching in 2024: These upgrades are about $275 in July, 2024.
Sadge at the card store now realizing this
Honestly, I like Warping Wail. There aren't... any ways really to protect your whole board in colorless. I think the ability to stop most board wipes is worth it, considering the amount of mana it would take to rebuild.
No way this guy took it out? Reading before watching
I agree with this soo much
And have we seen how many new creatures with 1 toughness have came out
definitely
Warping wall is a must have - it saved me from board wipes a few times with this deck
I followed yalls $300 upgrades, almosty exactly, for LOTR commander decks! Cant wait to see the $300 upgrades for eldrazi and sliver decks!
Thanks for the update. There were definitely some cuts that made sense to take out.
Pretty much exactly what I have planned also adding Ugin the spirit dragon for more removal. I am def keeping warping wail in though to stop sorcery speed boardwipes
warping wail is actually the best card to protect this deck against the worse thing that the deck has to handle: boardwipes. Also in the first turns is actually ramp if you need it.
I entirely agree with many of your creature choices. I will nonetheless direct attention to that cutting instant-speed interaction is very dangerous in a colorless deck. There is very little overall instant speed interaction that can be placed in the deck to replace what those cards contribute. Instead, I would encourage people to look at the creatures with mana cost below 7 (no interaction with the commander ability) and whether it is an idea to cut those and add more mana rocks. Perilous Vault (effectively a 9 mana exile all non-land permanents) will also have a massive impact on our own mana rocks, so alternatively it could be an idea to cut that and keep warping wail. We also have 15 wastes to play around with, which is way too many colorless lands without extra abilities. Cutting some of those for cheap colorless utility lands is usually the first upgrade that a lot of people tend to want to include.
My first game with this deck, right out of the box, I hit 3 of the 4 X spells on my first 2 large spells that triggered cascade cascade... Instantly got cut when i went to upgrade this deck.
Adding more rocks that don’t produce colourless reduce your mana production from forsaken monument. Just a consideration for mid to later game
I was conflicted on which precon to preorder. I wanted to get either Eldrazi Unbound or Sliver Swarm, I ended up going with Sliver Swarm. But I will eventually get Eldrazi Unbound as well. I can't wait to see the upgrades for the Sliver Swarm precon as well.
Feel like warping wail is still good in this deck just because board wipes are sorceries.. vandalblast, farewell, astere command etc. colorless needs so much mana and relies on so much on artifact ramp that if you get wiped ur jus outta the game. Not to mention the best draw mechanics in the deck are also very high mana cost( Kozileks) Not that this card completely solves that but I feel like it’s come up enough.
Commander plate might be fun to add in. Great video by the way.
I agree, I put that in all my colorless decks. My guess is it didn’t make the cut for this one bc it’s like 30 bucks
Even after watching the professor's video that the Eldrazi Unbound deck isn't worth it... I'm still buying it, I get to play and start a Eldrazi colorless deck.😅
Scroll rack is great for the face commander. You can set up your Cascades. Palantir of orthane good cheap card draw that people can mill you but they take damage to cmc. Commander plate is fun protection. Portal to phyrexia, ugin the spirt dragon. I know these are expensive 10$ and above but they can definitely work.
Maybe in 300 dollars?
For 85+ I better not have to upgrade a damn thing!
Can't wait to get my hands on the deck I've been gathering all eldrazi upgrades ever since the decks were announced. Great video and I hope too see a further upgrade guide.
There will be a $300 list as well!
@@GuysThatMagic Phenomenal
warping wail ist amazing, dont cut it. you will counter most of the board wipes with it.
Insane that you're cutting Metalwork Colossus. Big things with reduced costs is EXACTLY what the deck wants, whether you're playing aggro or combo. This, Myr Enforcer, and Sojourner's Companion are by far the best cards in the deck because you can often make them free or nearly free 3 spells!
It works only with a full artifact deck
There are some HUGE mistakes in the removals section. Warping wall is protection against board wipes and ugins mastery is card draw + cheat mana.
I’d enjoy a video with your cuts. More content, the better!
While I agree that Deceiver of Forms was one of my first thoughts for this deck. I do feel that people are sleeping on Ugins Mastery. As someone who plays alot of manefest cards in my morph deck the mechanic catches people off guard and anything allowing you to cheat the costs on your big creatures is worth it.
plus its hand expansion so might as well
I don’t understand what is the point of having fellwar stone if you cannot add colorless mana, can someone explain ?
Im surprised you didnt add basalt monolith. Considering the deck comes with forsaken monument
4$ unwinding clock and you are off to the races. Especially with liberator or vendelkan orrery onboard. Add a lux cannon and a manifold key as a Goof.
can add urza's factory to the mana base as well, get another urza land for the workshop for $0.20
Warping Wail is for stopping board wipes (ex. Wrath of God). Spatial Contortion can let your commander with Commander's Plate 2 shot an opponent. Both instants can also help cheapen Emrakul, the Promised End.
I also think Crucible of Worlds is mandatory. You're colorless, which means your creatures are big, you don't have a lot of spells, and most of your artifacts make mana, and all you have left is your lands, so you need some lands that can do spell-like things, most of which require being sacrificed.
I'm excited for this!! can't wait to get my hands on it too
Hard agree on cutting Ugin’s Mastery tbh. Flipping means you don’t get cast/ETB triggers so instead of being able to double cascade into something you get a super weak creature that could MAYBE get flipped as a combat trick but you won’t get the annihilator trigger
I will take a completely free titan that doesn't get its etb or attack trigger over paying the extra 10 mana, though. Besides the fact that it also doesn't remove any card advantage since you didn't need to cast anything I feel like you're looking a gift horse in the mouth. A totally free 10/10 is definitely worth it, at the very least it'll bait spot removal and at the most you just cheated out a titan.
The very worst case scenario for Ugin's Mastery is that you get a 2/2 token every single time you cast a creature spell, and that isn't too bad by itself.
in Oct 2024 in Canada, this upgrade would cost me $390 CAD btw. Wild.
Okay, the one disagreement I have is warping wail. Having a cheap counter for most board wipes can win you alot of games. Has won me a few.
I think Inventors Fair and Buried Ruin would be must have lands for this deck.
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Sorry about that! It's fixed now!
Why get rid of the only efficient removal spells in colourless?
Nothing sucks more than to cascade into a mana sink such as endless one or stonecoil. Even a mana rock is better to cascade into.
I personally run also akroma’s memorial, planar bridge and sculpting steel and managed to fit in the infinite mana combo made with basalt monolith and rings of brighthearth
I'm really disappointed there isn't a Eldrazi commander that lets us use our Devoid creatures and cards.
Just something that says 'if a spell has devoid on it, change its color identity to colorless' we have so many options that we just can't use because they *technically* have a color identity that isn't colorless.
is myriad land scape in the deck? can only get 1 waste????
By the time this video airs it will be the $300 upgrade lol
5 Euro proxys 😮
@@hmmmhmmm5468 I feel bad for the players who sit down and show off a proxied deck. Hobbies require time and effort , mpcfill is for the broke and noob players
Warping wail is to counter boardwipes
Does Eye of Ugin stop the Cascade of our commander if it brings the cost below 7?
Cascade cares about the mana value of a card, regardless of how much you’re casting it for. So if you managed to cast a spell for free, cascade would trigger off how much the spell would have cost. Hope this helps!
the decklist link you posted isnt the same deck as in the video. can you explain that?
The list should be the same
Warping wail has saved me twice so far from board wipes.
Urza's factory would be a good add
I just constructed a devastating Cascade Eldrazi deck.
Is cascade not a may ability
im so confused, 20 additions but only 19 removals? how is this commander legal
This was a mistake! Fellwar Stone was never added to the final list. See the decklist in the description for the full list. Sorry about that.
Glad I'm not the only one who saw that. I was racking my brain, trying to figure out what I was missing.
When Will the 300 dollars upgrade be uploaded? Thanks
All of the 100 upgrades for each precon will be out first. You can expect the 300 videos to come out some time next week
Why would you add Fellwar Stone when it’s a colorless deck? Why do you need colored mana?
Unless it shows a colorless mana symbol, any mana can be put into generic mana. Fellwar stone is one of the better mana rocks in the game.
Removing Warping Wail makes this deck wors not better. This is one of the really small number protection from Board Wipes, and Yes if you will have 2 or more big Eldrazi - board wipes will appear....
Ugins Mastery is really good card. After You add "more" good TOP ENDS, its even better... On top of that it can be "suprise" attack of 12/12 etc. Yes its not super synergestic with ouer deck, but i think its enought good to be here - better then most of the "small" costed Eldrazi you want to add (Smasher or Seer are really "meeeh" for EDH... ) .
I agree that tap-lands are not great - but I would keep Mirrorpool - this is the best deck for its last ability. Sure You cannot coppy any legendary, but you still can copy other big ones, and you can copy "Rise of Eldrazi" :d
Ps. I think its much more then 103$ now - some of the Eldrazi cards spike - like Eye of Ugin.
I run OG Sigarda because I don't want to deal with Annihilator.
How about Darksteel forge + Mycosynth lattice to protect our board?
You'd probably be dead by the time you cast those. Your aim with this deck is to atleast get off 1-2 triggers of Zhulodok and you need board presence asap. Added those in in my previous games well I died even before I got those off.
no Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger wtf man
Too expensive for a $100 upgrade.
@@Welverin it just got a reprint
you added 20 and removed 19, what else i could remove?
This was a mistake. Fellwar Stone was not added to the final deck.
@@GuysThatMagic thanks!
Can you guys do the Sliver Commander deck next?
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As of October 18, 2023 the upgrades will run you around $220.
RIP
No precon battle for the $300 lotr upgrades?
Sorry it's being super delayed. We're currently having some technical issues with the edit. But it's still being worked on as we speak!
It's an interesting video, but there is no easy you are finding all of these cards for under/at $100 in the summer of 2023.
Even finding them in stock is difficult.
At the time of recording all these additions came out to about 103 dollars. You should be able to find them on TCGplayer 👍
@@GuysThatMagic it's cool. I understand. It's definitely over $150 right now. 😂
I’ve already lost a friendship with my incomplete build of this deck against a completed deck. Metal work is always free or near free and taking out free spells is dumb.
I feel like this deck will not work well until turn 5/6. I love the but if most of the people I play with are setting up their win by turn 3/4. The deck feels slow I guess. Am I missing something
When you play with 3 other people the slowness is not the problem.
Then you play against cedh decks, which is not a problem of the eldrazi deck by itself, if you want to play with more varied decks, try playing with lower power tables
8 months pass.
“100$ upgrade”
Cries
I love how in this video you add 20 cards (Fellwar Stone) and only take out 19 then in the $300 video you completely forget to mention that you added Fellwar stone lol. Also I know I'm late. P.S. I Love y'all's upgrade videos keep up the great work.
This was an accident! Didn’t make it into either one of the final decks.
@@GuysThatMagic wow I wasn't expecting a response from you guys let alone so fast. Thank you that is awesome. You guys make my favorite MTG content right now keep up the amazing work.
Haha no problem! Always here to reply. Thanks for watching!
Link to deck please
The link is in the description!
yikes this deck is $366 now for the entire list! Too bad, it looks really fun
warping wails is the goat, that decks will eat tons of wrath, and you get out the one card that just counters them ?... I don't approve that
One fairwell done deal😢
🎉 Yeeeees!!!
I was disappointed in the original list. Colorless is my favorite “color” in magic and it had cool new spells but the amount of Eldrazi was pitiful given the name of the deck.
So happy David took the deck in the proper tribal direction bc that’s how I’ll be building mine
Wait he added 20 and removed 19
Sorry! Fellwar Stone never made the final cut and wasn’t supposed to be in the additions. Check the description for the full decklist!
Pretty sure all of these cards have increased in price
Unfortunately due to the nature of how popular the deck is, the market prices have shifted since making the video.
Australia 2024........$495 worth of upgrades on a deck that still costs on average $110
I feel like i should cancel my preorder and just buy the singles the need might be cheaper
The singles will come down in price once the hype dies down, or when they inevitably do an eldrazi secret lair in the next little bit.
What's up with the crappy commons. Ulamogs Crusher...really? Pathrazer of Ulamog? What is this 2017?
Why is there 19 removals and 20 adds
This was a mistake. If you check the decklist in the description, fellwar stone never made it in the final list. Sorry!
$100!? bruh the deck already costed $100!! what are you talking about!!!!????
I would realy like to buy all this cards from you for 100 dollars 🤭
Speed up the audio 10% across the video please.