That teacher who pushed for the rule change that required 4th graders to wear hijab, only to take hers off a few years later, sounds like she was projecting her own struggles with it onto you children and overcorrecting out of a sense of repressed guilt. Truly sad, that's exactly how this sort of trauma gets perpetuated.
It is, but it’s more systemic and insidious than Tazzy described (which were mainly anecdotes). The gulf nations and Saudi Arabia’s treatment of non Arab Muslims in horrendous.
@@dm_1236 True, I'd also like to add that many have told me first hand, that Saudi tend to treat even non-Saudi Arab Muslims (From Lebanon, Palestine etc) differently also. I wish I had got the chance to see the Arab supremacy video before it was sadly taken down. As a non gulf Arab, I'd have been interested to know what her take on the issue was.
went to a private islamic school for a small portion of my life as a kid. The comfort I felt for being surrounded by people like me in a white majority State and the bond of going to Quran classes together is something I cherish. However, the racial hierarchy and blatant favoritism was absolutely horrendous and took a toll on me. And apparently the school was very well known for those issues lmaooo.
Preach!! There is a difference between teaching Islam academically and teaching your cultural approach i.e the teacher shaming you for burping My kids went to an Islamic school and I was constantly there arguing with the principal about some of these things. One teacher openly told the girls that they should get married by 16 and that’s when I pulled my kids out of there Perhaps those schools need to focus on loving the religion and understanding principles instead of only the fear of hellfire
That's the part that many forget. Simply sending them to a specific school (for whatever reason) is not enough - as a parent, you need to actively check what is being taught there. Even if the foundation is good, there's still so so many ways in which individuals can mess things up. A principal may not know what individual teachers teach. And it can have devastating effects.
The school was regarded very highly by the community but I realized most of these parents, while extremely educated and professional, didn’t have much to do with their children’s education. It’s a shame because if they had they wouldn’t have been happy either. And it also had many issues with racism and classism as well. South Asians and Black Muslims were treated poorly UNLESS they came from wealthy families. It was such a shame to see!
I wish that they taught us about framing God as more loving and merciful. I went to a US islamic school as well and my experience was very similar to you, so it's good to know I'm not alone. Also, the identity portion and connecting with people outside of your religion. I found that has been so difficult and have been working on it too.
I also went to Islamic school for most of my childhood- your point on finding it challenging to connect with people outside of my “bubble” resonates with me a lot. The friendships I made in Islamic school were so genuine and profound, I almost feel like I’m pretending to be someone else/a watered-down version of myself when I’m in a secular space like work. I’m so grateful for the skills and knowledge I took away from Islamic school, but sometimes I feel like I missed out on some cultural capital and people skills.
You will never feel close to a non Muslim as you feel to a Muslim. I don't understand why you would even want to. Your Muslim brother or sister will awalys understand you much better than anyone else. Yes, you are a watered down version with other people because those connections and relationships aren't built on the love of Allah.
Hi Tazzy! I loved your comment about the importance of providing children with the tools necessary to understand and practice Islam. I'm a Pakistani American who grew up in Virginia and I never went to an Islamic school so my religious education was done by my mom and my older brother. They both tried to teach me how to read the Quran but it was such a struggle. I was not good at it, I didn't enjoy it and honestly, I never understood the point of learning to read the Quran in Arabic when I couldn't even understand the language. And because of this thought, I had a very hard time connecting to Islam, the Quran, and to my prayers. It wasn't until I got to university and took a Religions of the West course that my understanding and love for Islam began. To finally be taught religion in a logical, academic way completely changed everything for me. It put me on the path to learning more about the logic of the religion, reading the Quran in English, seeking out guidance from scholars, and simply getting in the habit of thinking about religion and reflecting on my life and society (essentially what God says to do in the Quran). And I eventually learned the importance of reading the Quran in Arabic by taking Harvard's free online course about Islam. Again, an academic, thoughtful, non-indoctrination approach to religion. Because of that course, I began to read the Quran in Arabic (with translations). It is a very slow process but I'm so grateful for it and love it! Alhumdulillah. I hope everyone has the opportunity to get a proper religious education at some point in their lives.
There is no harm in a man having intercourse with two of his slave girls before he does washing. It is disapproved of, however, to go to a freewoman on another's day. There is no harm in making love first to one slave girl and then to another when one has not washed. Muwatta Malik, Book 2, Hadith 90
I appreciate your transparency, especially because it can be a touchy subject for people to talk about. I went to an Islamic Sunday school regularly for about 7 years, so while it is different from your specific experience, I definitely had those feelings of belonging and community that I so desperately craved going to public school during the week.
There is no harm in a man having intercourse with two of his slave girls before he does washing. It is disapproved of, however, to go to a freewoman on another's day. There is no harm in making love first to one slave girl and then to another when one has not washed. Muwatta Malik, Book 2, Hadith 90
we also need to talk about the abuse that some children endure thru islamic schools because the adults were stuck in old school ways. i was subject to verbal abuse (yelling, name calling) by teachers and kids in other classes were subject to forms of physical abuse yet somehow all of this was okayed by our parents? wtf??
Corporal punishment is still a thing in America too. The Prophet ﷺ allowed this as a tool to discipline children if they don't obey you for when they reach the age of prayer and don't pray. If you have an issue with Islam it probably western ideologies got to you. We were created to see things from different perspectives for the sake of conversation and discussion but if you're bent on your own POVs then it's probably you who's brainwashed so much so you're not willing to even discuss a topic and dismiss it to simple "abuse" rather than discipline.
Most of the Arabs i've met are the loveliest and warmest people but even THEY acknowledged that there are many in their community that look down on indian/black Muslims. Kinda sad this mentality still exists but oh well, those types of people still have to answer to Allah swt at the end of the day lol. Just be patient! ❤
I think a lot of the issues around Islamic schools in the past is that the method of teaching was very "old school". I would say many of the problems could be explained by that. The teachers came with an old-school mindset and they were not professionally trained teachers. Fortunately, that has changed now, the teachers are a lot better and they actually make teaching fun.
I was in islamic schools from elementary to high school. What triggers me a lot is the never ending comments on what I'm wearing. What I'm supposed to wear when I'm praying for example and I just think: I was a kid back then! (Trousers/jeans were unacceptable) Before the age of 10 I didn't wear hijab, neither did any of my classmates, but it was a shame if any of the girls wore T-shirts to school. We would have felt naked. It made me feel so uncomfortable in my skin. I remember I was in my 20s when I first put some mascara and I felt like everyone notices it and it's probably too sexy or whatever. Until today I hear nasihas on that issue and it deeply disturbs me but I feel unable to speak up against it because I don't want to come across as "anti-islamic"
You love your duniyah life so much even islam promotes modesty so yeah wearing jeans is not allowed and In amarican you have to be careful otherwise you will lose your imaan and if you don't like modest clothing then you haven't got your hidayat yet, may Allah guide you!
@@strawberrykun6136 she is supposed to wear mini skirt with sexy lingerie and full make up on face, very tight tank top with no inner garments if she don't like modesty then she might like this, may Allah make her happy with this thing as if she like it!
We appreciate your insights. We will support you no matter what. Somehow we need to take action on Islam degradation and discrimination against Islamic groups.
I don’t think you mentioned this, but it can be hard when your kids attend an Islamic school that follows a different madhab or fiqh than what you follow. Like if they are asharii and you’re athari. Or Hanifi and you’re hanbali. I’m going thru this now with my kids and there are some differences of opinion on attributes of Allah and beliefs (mawlid, wearing taweez, etc) and the kids are always going to believe their teachers are correct over mom and dad. That’s kinda rough and hard to navigate through. We all want the best for our kids, so even the minor differences in religious beliefs are important to us, but if the only Islamic school near you has a different viewpoint I guess you just have to accept it.
I always appreciate your videos, it's always a delight to watch them! I enjoy hearing about the topics you talk about and how you take time to consider the contexts and nuances :) always a fan!
Please post your Arab Supremacy video again. This needs to be heard. The number of self hating desis I come across in the Gulf is bewildering. BTW, you were such a cute kid in that white hijab.
I hated the Islamic school I went to - because I wasn’t learning Arabic at the pace the other kids were learning it I was held back multiple times and I hated being the oldest kid in a room full of kindergartners. The only good things I remembered from it were the Hot Cheetos we got for snack time & finally leaving that place to be enrolled in public school 😅
I remember so much as a kid wishing I could go to an Islamic school (none were available when I was a kid, just a sort of slapdash Saturday morning school and a weeknight khaidah class) because I wanted to learn. I remember the little afternoon Qur'an class that was available shrunk every week until I was the only girl there! And not only that, but the only girl with like 5 teenage boys! The mullah never paid any attention to me and I would sit in a corner and read and struggle. A couple of the boys were very nice to me and helped me, but they were learning themselves! I had to quit because going there made me feel so bad. aH it's better now, but I do fear that people are creating these bubbles and enclaves and their kids will be completely unprepared when they do hit the real world.
Nice to see a video from you again. I rarely comment, but what makes me wish to are the topics you covered and I'm glad you did. I'm Arab but grew up in the UK, half of my chlidhood I was the minority amongst white people, the other half a minority amongst the south Asian community. Best friends in earlier childhood were white, then late in high school were South Asian etc. So in a way sort of the vice versa of your situation. I've had mixed experiences and have always identified as Muslim but have had a fair amount of religious trauma throughout life which has caused me to actively detach my faith from the community and make it private and personal only to myself. I still do to this day. I see my relationship with Allah as no one else's business and other's faith isnt any of my business either. I have mixed feelings about Islamic schools as I've only known how they were in the 90s, no idea now so I can't really comment too much, though I'd personally educate my kids independently about the understanding of Islam, ways of viewing things, etc. I know I'm summarizing, I'm quite a private person and I'd only delve deeper in private conversations so i'm sorry if my comment doesnt sound as if i'm saying much... But I kinda felt like saying to you...'"I get you"..And that's also in response to a couple of your past videos when you talk about the South Asian/Eastern culture, colourism, pressure on women, etc. Also I'm a fan of your little sister, I think she's cool and love seeing videos of you both together, the videos with you two bantering with each other just feel so natural and organic, I love that.. Apologies for such a long comment. Salam.
I'm a pretty unexpected viewer ( Arab atheist haha) and I love how much I learn from your videos. I disagree with much of what you say but even despite that I love the way you articulate your perspective, and what you said about the Arab supremacy thing is unfortunately true. The one thing we can collectively do is to actively unlearn and educate ourselves against these prejudices.
i haven't watched the entire video yet but i also went to islamic school (although for 10 years) and it's one of THE most unique experiences ever. the only people that get it are other islamic school kids. what's interesting tho is i went to a majority indian/pakistani muslim school, and i was one of the very few arabs.
I am a doctor in India and I had to do some semesters in a low socio- economic areas as a part of community medicine curriculum. We were assigned a family each. The family I was assigned was Islamic. They had two boys, I think they were 10 and 12 then and they didn’t go to a normal school but went to an Islamic school. The School didn’t teach them the prescribed curriculum. They were mostly taught about religion and that’s why were behind academically. It wasn’t my place to tell them which school they should be attending but I tried to tell the parents that their kids were not up to the level of education which they should be in.
I feel like with kids, i wouldn't send them to any religious schools. I grew up in Morocco and we had islamic classes where we memorized surah and discussed religion on a kid level which I enjoyed but again the teachers were not the best human beings, idk why that always ends up being the case. Also Noor touched on this in her podcast too that there is no such thing as a muslim child just a child of Muslims because kids are not obligated to practice i know it's controversial but honestly kids just don't have mental capacities to intentionally follow a religion imo. And being pushed into a religion has the opposite effects on them, at the end only God can guide. Btw who are all these arabs that are butthurt about arab superiority because it definitely exists even among other arab countries (try be a morrocan or NA in the khaleej)
YES my mom was religious when I was still a child and I did things because I knew it would make HER happy. I memorized surahs to make HER happy. I went to masjid because she wanted me to. When I finally gained my independence I stopped doing all of it. I didn't want to HEAR about about Islam let alone practice it. Now I'm older and found Islam on my own and I practice it in my life but I continuously ask what will I do when I have my own children. I want to encourage without being like "oh if u pray you will make mommy so happy" u know? Like praying and whatnot should have nothing to do with me or anyone else. It's about Allah. I wish there was more emphasis put onto me about Allah and what it means to please Allah, not my parents.
This is such a damaging take. Raising children Islamically protects them from liberal and secular influences. Neither are you preaching Quran or Sunnah. You think the Prophet (pbuh) didn’t raise his kids Islamically? Or his grandkids? Instead of not teaching them the religion because of your personal trauma and insecurities, why not get therapy and learn from the Hadith or works of scholars like Al Ghazzali how best to raise children.
"there is no such thing as a muslim child just a child of Muslims because kids are not obligated to practice". All children are born muslim. On the fitrah. This is a basic islamic concept. They may not have the mental faculties to read quran, pray etc. But their soul is pure and on the path of Allah. >Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “No child is born but that he is upon natural instinct. His parents make him a Jew, or a Christian, or Magian. As an animal delivers a child with limbs intact, do you detect any flaws?” Then, Abu Huraira recited the verse, “The nature of Allah upon which he has set people,” (30:30). Ibn Shihab said, “The funeral prayer should be offered for every child, even if he were the son of a prostitute, as he was born with a natural inclination towards Islam. If his parents are Muslims, or only his father and even if his mother practiced other than Islam, and if he cries after the delivery before his death, his funeral prayer must be offered. If the child does not cry after the delivery, his funeral prayer should not be offered and he will be considered a miscarriage.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 1358, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2658
You can have both. As a child you are taught a discipline and core values. You discover the religion for yourself later without putting in the hard work later that people are doing to find God. I prayed cuz I have to. I cleaned cuz I have to. At the end of the day, what will parenting becoming? Just maintaining your kids physically? This is where we have gotten to
@dm_1236 It's not a damaging take, its an unislamic take. No Muslim who believes in Allah and the Last Day would say or believe this. Of course there is such a thing as a muslim child. All children are born Muslim as the Hadeeth of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم has stated. (Every child is born Muslim, but it's their father who makes them jews or Christians) That is why if a child dies when they are before the age of puberty, they enter into Jannah. It's a very scary thing how many people will meet Allah thinking that they are Muslim but through actions and words, they might have left Islam long ago, my Allah protect us.
A teacher at an Islamic that my siblings went to, told a student your people only become cab drivers. The child had expressed dreams of becoming a doctor when they grow up…
I literally haven’t even started listening to the entire video and yes I’m South African and went to Islamic school here and there are some brainwashing behaviour 💔 luckily primary schooling was very secular and my mother herself laid a good enough foundation for me to think independently. That being said Islamic school did set a strong values based foundation and a very protective environment which I am grateful for. Also, my education was broad enough that I tend to have a better understanding of other religions and respecting them, whereas my experience with some other people is unfortunately a sense of not being curious enough to educate themselves about other religions. Also, it set an amazing foundation for me to learn I tend to take on information and learn faster than my peers, I suspect the constant need to juggle both Islamic and secular subjects
Islam sis! I'm Moorish-American Moslem. 🇺🇲🇲🇦 These videos are so educational for me as a Moslem because we are in the process of building our own institutions for educating our young children. I really appreciate your perspective on Islamic schools, and mashallah i will take this information and bring it to my temple so we will take the good and leave the bad. Praise be to Allah!!!
This hit very hard, although I went to a small private Catholic school and now identify as an atheist, everything uou we’re saying just like punched me in the face because it’s my same story growing up pre k-college in Catholic school. Now as an adult I can finally identify abuse in a real true aspect (not what today people call abuse) growing up was a war going to school and still dealing with the indoctrination of the teachings and unfortunate physical, verbal, emotional and sexual abuse and now I understand it was wrong and abuse. Racism was also very prevalent, as well as the usual homophobia and very prominent shaming of those who were not wealthy. I am currently studying and hope soon to use my own experience to be a lawyer prosecuting sexual abusers in the Catholic Church/communities. It’s funny sometimes when people say oh I can tell you went to to private school because I never understood how they knew! But it’s very true i have those quirks😂 was very happy and felt a bit heard hearing your experience. Thank you!
I have a giving loving community in my Christian church. Faith communities over this country gives selfless love. Unfortunately the US is increasingly secular. I am glad you were raised in such a community.
I don’t understand Americans. The country was built on the separation of church and state. It was always secular. If that wasn’t he case, your ancestors should have stayed in Europe
@@anzajamaa5001 I am not really sure what your problem was with my comment but I was sad that there are less and less people involved in faith communities. My comment had nothing to do with the state.
@@anzajamaa5001secular yes but if u notice unlike some parts of Europe we allow showings of religious faith (looking at u France) more so than other secular countries unlike most countries where the ppl choose to take the religion there country built there culture off of and relegate it to the side IE secularism Americans did the same thing but for the opposite reason to keep the state away from religious folks business it's part of the reason why most of Europe is still yelling god is dead more than 100 years later lol and America's like nah ugh
Michael Jackson! There is a movie... "Sheikh Jackson." Hilarious scene where the sheikh is imagining MJ dancing behind him while he was leading prayer, and the congregation started dancing. Then he turned around and reacted to what he had seen in his head.
I wish I didn’t, but I always had beef with people from private schools (religious or not). There’s def 100% more religious pressure at religious schools, leaving little to no room for kids to navigate religion on their own. Also, kids from private schools never realize how financially privileged their families are. There’s a few Islamic schools near me, and not a single kid is from section 8 housing, has food stamps, or Medicaid. It’s frustrating when Muslims say their school is so “diverse” but close themselves off to the general public and issues less privileged people experience
I went to public school my entire life as a Muslim but I did go to Sunday school for a couple years (I am Desi and it was arab) ....when I went to high-school my peers from the masjid went to high-school after being in Islamic school and you could very much tell they were not used to it...the vibes were just different. It's like talking to a homeschooled kid in college...different social dynamics, things about their behavior...they tried to imitate instead of cultivating their personality and it was very obvious.
I went to a private girls boarding school in the early 70s. It taught me tolerance and opened my eyes to so many fascinating things. ❤ My parents were atheists, but they didn’t want to impose their beliefs on me. Therefore, I spent 2 years attending every religious service in the area ( no mosques in the area in those days). For a 15 year old girl, it was a toss up between Judaism and Episcopalism. The temple was next to a candy store - a big advantage for a kid. However, the Episcopalian church offered rock music. I ended up going for the “music”. That being said, 55 years later, I find myself as an agnostic. Ahhh, the irony! 😂
I attended a religious private school until 8th grade, which in hindsight felt very indoctrinating. I didn't experience a secular school until high school which is I’m starting to realize is a unique experience
I have heard you speak about your regrets with making the arab supremacy video before, but from my admittedly ignorant perspective, i feel that you spoke about and underappreciated topic in a nuanced and balanced way. Someone needs to start the conversation, and since it is a difficult one that people have not learned to hold yet, those who speak on it first will likely make mistakes and certainly receive backlash from those who are not used to hearing criticisms about their unquestioned assumptions about their and/or their community's actions. Stay confident in yourself for searching for the truth and speaking up on the injustices you see. Your work and your words are meaningful to many
also i read through your comment section for the first time just now... i did not expect it to be such a critical (without critical thought) place. Its strange because i feel that often the followers reflect the quality of character of the content maker, but perhaps since you speak on the intersection of so many identities, your viewership draws from such a large crowd with a diversity of experiences and perspectives all of whom seem entitled to judge you on your arguments and morality and behavior. it is sad how easily people forget they they are imperfect, they they are not god with access to the truth to be able to judge you, and that no matter what you are a sister of Islam who is doing what she sees as right. people are missing the point if they think that one of the most important things to being a good Muslim is covering every stray hair and miss the importance of cultural heritage and personal expression and relation to modest and islam in how women wear hijab. We are not the Iranian government, nor should we be. Who would want to take away an individuals autonomy to choose the path of islam for themselves? certainly not the prophet (PBOH). And on top of it, your salvation is not dependent on pointing out what you perceive as other peoples failings but rather on charity, kindness, love, and living by example. I have the utmost admiration for you and appreciate you as a whole person who cannont be subsumed under stereotyped and inadequate labels used by the simple minded. Salam.
Excellent! I love your honesty and bravery. Islam is beautiful, but the way some South Asians project it on their children and their over-zealous ways does more harm than good.
I liked your perspective. I’m an Afro Latina convert married to an Arab living in the US. I’m highly considering an Islamic school for my kids so that they form that strong Muslim identity and don’t have to explain themselves (Eid, Ramadan, me wearing hijab, not participating in Christmas etc) to others in their early years. I also really want Islamic & Arabic education more often than just Sunday school. Sounds like you had some teachers who were not very educated in Islam and frightened you with cultural stuff.
Or you can homeschool 😊. You can homeschool the first few years. Then Islamic school until 8th grade. Then discuss with your husband and children what is the best for highschool: public school, Islamic school or back to homeschooling.
I really relate to the Michael Jackson essay I remember i used to love stampylongnose the Minecraft youtuber until I was told that his laugh was of shatan and he was the agent of the devil and as an 8 year old I was so conflicted on finding comfort in stampylongnose and trying to battle with religion because i felt so guilty like I was defying Allah for this and I'd be sent to hell.
I went to an islamic highschool and I'm from the UK alhamdulliah I never felt that superiority complex perhaps because we were all south Asians so overall I didn't have a bad experience but its unfortunate that you did. Maybe overall the islamic schools are better here in that sense but one problem I did have was the lack of quality education but I'm still very grateful that I went to that school
As someone who also went to an identity based private school some of this was really relatable, especially about how good it felt to have a community and on the other hand not feeling socially prepared for the world outside that community.
It is no different from christian school, I went to a christian school from K-4 then went to public school. Because of the bullying and the teachers calling a liar, and does nothing to help you. The private school was awful for me and my sister, and when we got to public school we were happier.
Assalamu alaykum sis, I am a revert & I am in a place in my life where I have been so isolated (& I don’t say that for pity points, actually it can feel quite safe & peaceful, I do have family, alhamdulilla) & I feel like it would at this point be easier for me to have a little circle of Muslim friends because then we can go out & everyone knows we pray 5x a day… I feel like if I were to make friends with non-Muslim people, it would almost be an awkward inconvenience to pray, & then there’s some incompatibilities like them wanting to drink, party, free mix, etc… so please don’t feel bad about not having a bunch of non-Muslim friends (18:00), having friends shouldn’t cost one’s Islamic values & ultimately one’s relationship with Allah. I watched this video ultimately because one day I want to have children & I do not trust the secular public schools in the US especially in the PNW where I am from, it’s getting so out of hand. I found this helpful because I grew up Christian but all my schools were secular & I have been thinking of homeschooling but I am open to other things as well. JazakAllah khair for sharing
May Allah make it easy for you in your journey may Allah grant you a great Muslim community of people around you. I am a convert too but I was in a position to have sisters stay but it's hard. My daughter is 3, homeschooling is the way for our family. I want to homeschool till 6 years as a bare minimum.
You are a convert, that revert is insulting because for those who don't know Muslims think all are born as Muslims and many are taking other religions. Of course, the truth is that all are born as agnostics and are religiously indoctrinated in some period of their life. My country is secular and two things are strictly forbidden in schools, drugs, and religion...
10:30 What_is_the true meaning of community? This is a genuine question. Like, what is something that an average non-Muslim American would do, that a Muslim raised in a more collectivist environment would do differently?
This is interesting. I didn't have this kind of upbringing (non-Muslim), but a lot of what you said seems similar to people who grew up in fundamentalist Christianity in a lot of ways. I'm surprised you didn't even learn about other sects of Islam. One thing I don't understand, is why the insistence on keeping the Quran in Arabic only? The Reformation lead to the Bible being translated into multiple languages. Why not do the same? Especially since Islam exists in so many countries where Arabic isn't the spoken language. I have seen English translations (I had one at some stage) but those seem geared towards reaching outsiders than those in group.
Most ppl I know that went to private Islamic schools enjoyed the circle and comfort, but as I see them in college or the professional world, I kinda realized how close minded they can be and how they tend to exclude non-Muslims in settings. As a Muslim, I think Islamic school isn’t bad, but the sheltered parenting and refusing ur kids to not be friends with ppl of other faiths or ethnicities is the main issue
I only went to islamic school for ONE DAY. I had a teacher and 2 students bring up the fact I go to 'regular middle school' and talked nonsense like they were talking about how I probably have gone to school dances and went to the mall lol. I'm sorry but islamic school kids grow up weird and really for real do not know how to talk to people. I told my dad what happened and he went to their office, grabbed all my paperwork, and enrolled me in a regular school lol. He was thinking of having me try islamic school for a year.
I went to an Islamic School too but in England. I just left about a year ago and heading out into the real world of public school was a culture shock. I loved my time at Islamic School, I grew as an individual becoming more confident and intelligent. While, I didn't make close friends it made me who I am today. Also, mine was the opposite of your situation. My school was like 90% south Asian. The main problem for us was that the school was broke and the facilities were pretty rubbish. I left just in time because it closed down. Also, I don't know if it's an English Muslim thing but Masjids have like after school classes from like 5-7 pm during the week, to read quran in arabic and learn fiqh and aqaaid, I went for 7 years. Do you guys just have Islamic classes once a week in America?
Hay there, l liked you. My problem is that the majority of your content is no as relatable as it once was. Although I practice the same religion and had a childhood in the states, I still don’t feel as invested on the topics you mention in your videos, It’s sad because I love your sense of humor and your confidence so much, I wish if there was a way to lighten it up with perhaps vlogs and some silly stuff like the ones you used to make in the old days ❤
I liked that you pointed out the tools that we should teach our children with - arabic, quran etc. When i was growing up i think many things that were culturally connected was framed as being islamic and when we didnt conform we will end up in hell. I had some traumas even going through secular schools so i guess its just a matter of looking at the environment as a whole. I e if you have a goos Muslim community its better to go to an islamic school vice versa
So, non-Arab Muslims need to understand the cultural context of 7th century Arabia but they also have to be conscious to not confuse this cultural context with Islam, they are not the same. Also its important to understand that in the same as speaking reading and writing in English doesn't mean we are English persons, the same applies to very many peoples who speak Arabic - Cultural imperialism, and that too from the 7th century and the propagation of ideas that seem designed to establish and maintain cultural statis is a tragedy for all Muslims but particularly for Non-Arab Muslims because they generally come.from.cultures with deeper, perhaps more rifined or sophisticated, relatively, cultures and history, I have in mind the kind of wholesale destruction of histories in Pakistan in the name of an Islam that's alien there, I mean our parents ans grand parents were also Muslims and they were ok with their cultural histories, its a shame that today Islam is more politcal and cultural ideology and almost bereft of it's central idea of Faith in God. Islamic school or education is not a problem, its the content that at issue, a source of contention.
I have work and mix with many arabs . Being a Indian it was hard at times because our struggle is completely different than theirs. I have seen making fun of your food and somehow see us as a second class Muslim. I can write a article mentioning how blunt Arab food is . 😂just joking
Gurlllllll the teacher pushing hijab onto others is very fortunate that I wasn’t her student coz the way I woulda directly messaged her myself like mizz gorl bffr…
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
I don’t like the word, “brainwashing.” It’s not specific and easy to throw around. We’re all kind of “brainwashed” in a way, critical thinking has to be taught and is a skill that develops as it is practiced with age, at least hopefully LOL.
I can’t understand why your parents didn’t stay in your own country with your own people then you wouldn’t Geri uncomfortable makes sense to me religion should be left to the child to make up there own minds up not forced onto them I don’t feel the need for it there is more to life than religion
When you believe something is the truth, you teach it to your children. In your life, what do you deem to be true? What do you think is the best way to live life? Or do you generally not have an answer? What guidance would you give to your child when they ask you the numerous questions that come up as they navigate life. For muslims, our life is islam. Maybe you can't comprehend it, but God is a non-ending reality in our lives. There's no life outside of God.
If people possessed truth, they wouldn't require belief & faith. Religious people are the most indoctrinated human demographic on the planet, it's kind of sickening..@@armstrongQB1
That's like going to an Islamic school, or Hitler Youth Camp and being told you were told to think critically..you cannot think critically within the confines of dogmatic ideology. If you were to really think critically, you wouldn't be in a religious school to begin with. Tell me how far they went with their open mindedness: what if you rejected the bible, Jesus, and the commandments? What if you rejected Mary's immaculate conception? Would your catholic school accept you?@@brooke3849
Religion should not be present in schools in secular countries. In my country 2 things are strictly forbidden in schools, drugs, and religion, I guess because both have the same effect on the ability for rational thinking.
Thats ridiculous. In schools you are taught the state religion and dogma anyway. What’s the difference? Go and tell people who went to a school that there are challenges with the ideologies considered normal or naturalised in schools and see how they defend their beliefs to death.
@@anzajamaa5001 In schools you are taught state religion???? Of course not... I live in a secular country, we don't have a state religion, and it i strictly forbidden religion to be taught in basic and secondary schools. People may learn the philosophy of religion, sociology of religion, psychology of religion, but in universities. And there is higher education for priests but that is separated from the state. Here we follow a strict separation between religion and state, those two things should not be connected.
It's honestly very odd you'd bring up Florida. When you were going to bring up schools, I would have expected you to bring up the clear LGBT indoctrination going on in schools. For example, Maryland where Muslim, Christian, Jewish, generally conservative and religious families were denied the OPT out option for certain sexual themed classes. It's gotten to the point where it's actually kinda scary. In Saskatchewan, Planned Parenthood leaflets depicting and educating middle to highschool students about a variety of LGBT sexual practices were revealed. Below is an excerpt from the article: “Sex: From A-Z” is a deck of 26 cards with a sexual term (and accompanying cartoon) for every letter of the alphabet. The cards are targeted toward young people as a “discussion tool” in workshops, with the instruction to “affirm” and be “sex positive” about every one of the sex acts depicted. “Do not make fun of any of the topics, including ones you personally do not enjoy,” it reads, providing a sample phrase on how to properly react to some of the cards: “A lot of people think that’s really hot!” But several of the cards detail sex acts involving domination and risky sex, as well as urine and fecal matter. “Snowballing” gets the “s” card. “Yellow and brown showers,” which describing urinating and defecating on a sex partner, are paired with the instruction to “keep them on the outside of your body.” The “f” card is for felching. The “I” card is “irrumatio,” an aggressive form of oral sex. All this to say, Florida is seemingly a safer place to send kids to schools as a religious parent if you want less indoctrination than in many places in the west. Especially when it comes to sexuality and liberalism. Attacking and manipulating vulnerable children's sexuality and traditional values is the best way for them to leave their religions, family traditions, and leave and warp their identities altogether when they reach adulthood. I'm shocked a Muslim woman can't see this?
20:27 Ummm this is the problem with liberal Muslims… Islam has a diversity of thought already. Allah tells you about other nations and to ponder about them. This is not a Western/liberal-secular concepts. The problem is that the West is so open minded it’s brain is falling out. Muslims should stay steadfast and teach their children from Quran and Hadith.
PragerU does not spread misinformation… Just because a title does not align with your beliefs or opinions. I encourage you to watch those clips. Truth is truth and Jesus is truth. Many blessings to you and thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I am happy your parents invested in you a non secular education.
Hilarious how you are just as indoctrinated as these Muslims. You are so gullible..and PragerU is full of both misinformation & disinformation. Are you ever going to grow up?
@eastvandb I mean she's clearly has someone against conservatives based on her words. As a muslim she shouldn't be again what Florida is doing. The governor simply saying don't teach gay shit in school.
20:27 Ummm this is the problem with liberal Muslims… Islam has a diversity of thought already. Allah tells you about other nations and to ponder about them. This is not a Western/liberal-secular concepts. The problem is that the West is so open minded it’s brain is falling out. Muslims should stay steadfast and teach their children from Quran and Hadith.
It's such a shame to see sisters so lockstep with the liberal ideology. It's so annoying man. Seeing a non-liberal muslim woman is so rare these days. And it's amazing at how much it warps their interpretation of islam.
@@armstrongQB1 It's not about liberal or conservative. It's whether you truly believe in Islam and are willing to follow it. There are bad Muslims both conservative and liberal who stray away from the teachings of Islam. Solely judging a person on their political stance does not determine how well of a Muslim they are.
Somehow all of you so called 'True Muslims uncucked by the west' all speak perfect English and live in western country 💀 always shitting in the same bowl you eat from.
That teacher who pushed for the rule change that required 4th graders to wear hijab, only to take hers off a few years later, sounds like she was projecting her own struggles with it onto you children and overcorrecting out of a sense of repressed guilt. Truly sad, that's exactly how this sort of trauma gets perpetuated.
@fellin3471 I’m an ex-Muslim for a good damn reason, but go off queen. You’re just talking out your ass at somebody who knows how apologetics works.
@fellin3471 Technically, in Islam (not culture), you have to start wearing hijab when you start puberty/your period or when you turn 15.
Arab supremacy is a thing. And I am sorry you and others had to experience it.
Yeah, sadly. It's a thing, although most of us growing up overseas never really let it bother us.
It is, but it’s more systemic and insidious than Tazzy described (which were mainly anecdotes). The gulf nations and Saudi Arabia’s treatment of non Arab Muslims in horrendous.
@@dm_1236 True, I'd also like to add that many have told me first hand, that Saudi tend to treat even non-Saudi Arab Muslims (From Lebanon, Palestine etc) differently also.
I wish I had got the chance to see the Arab supremacy video before it was sadly taken down. As a non gulf Arab, I'd have been interested to know what her take on the issue was.
Arabs are the worst
went to a private islamic school for a small portion of my life as a kid. The comfort I felt for being surrounded by people like me in a white majority State and the bond of going to Quran classes together is something I cherish. However, the racial hierarchy and blatant favoritism was absolutely horrendous and took a toll on me. And apparently the school was very well known for those issues lmaooo.
Why did you take down the Arab supremacy video?! It was so accurate and relatable. You didn’t say anything wrong 🤦♀️
They were trying to drag her for the truth
That's unfortunate, I could have benefitted from that video.
Preach!! There is a difference between teaching Islam academically and teaching your cultural approach i.e the teacher shaming you for burping
My kids went to an Islamic school and I was constantly there arguing with the principal about some of these things. One teacher openly told the girls that they should get married by 16 and that’s when I pulled my kids out of there
Perhaps those schools need to focus on loving the religion and understanding principles instead of only the fear of hellfire
That's the part that many forget. Simply sending them to a specific school (for whatever reason) is not enough - as a parent, you need to actively check what is being taught there. Even if the foundation is good, there's still so so many ways in which individuals can mess things up. A principal may not know what individual teachers teach. And it can have devastating effects.
I sent my boys to a large "Islamic" school in our area. They were more racist than the public schools. They also conflated Islam with their culture.
The school was regarded very highly by the community but I realized most of these parents, while extremely educated and professional, didn’t have much to do with their children’s education. It’s a shame because if they had they wouldn’t have been happy either.
And it also had many issues with racism and classism as well. South Asians and Black Muslims were treated poorly UNLESS they came from wealthy families.
It was such a shame to see!
I wish that they taught us about framing God as more loving and merciful. I went to a US islamic school as well and my experience was very similar to you, so it's good to know I'm not alone. Also, the identity portion and connecting with people outside of your religion. I found that has been so difficult and have been working on it too.
I also went to Islamic school for most of my childhood- your point on finding it challenging to connect with people outside of my “bubble” resonates with me a lot.
The friendships I made in Islamic school were so genuine and profound, I almost feel like I’m pretending to be someone else/a watered-down version of myself when I’m in a secular space like work.
I’m so grateful for the skills and knowledge I took away from Islamic school, but sometimes I feel like I missed out on some cultural capital and people skills.
You will never feel close to a non Muslim as you feel to a Muslim. I don't understand why you would even want to. Your Muslim brother or sister will awalys understand you much better than anyone else. Yes, you are a watered down version with other people because those connections and relationships aren't built on the love of Allah.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I didn’t attend one but my child is in one, so it’ll help me to pay attention to these potential shortcomings.
Hi Tazzy! I loved your comment about the importance of providing children with the tools necessary to understand and practice Islam. I'm a Pakistani American who grew up in Virginia and I never went to an Islamic school so my religious education was done by my mom and my older brother. They both tried to teach me how to read the Quran but it was such a struggle. I was not good at it, I didn't enjoy it and honestly, I never understood the point of learning to read the Quran in Arabic when I couldn't even understand the language. And because of this thought, I had a very hard time connecting to Islam, the Quran, and to my prayers. It wasn't until I got to university and took a Religions of the West course that my understanding and love for Islam began. To finally be taught religion in a logical, academic way completely changed everything for me. It put me on the path to learning more about the logic of the religion, reading the Quran in English, seeking out guidance from scholars, and simply getting in the habit of thinking about religion and reflecting on my life and society (essentially what God says to do in the Quran). And I eventually learned the importance of reading the Quran in Arabic by taking Harvard's free online course about Islam. Again, an academic, thoughtful, non-indoctrination approach to religion. Because of that course, I began to read the Quran in Arabic (with translations). It is a very slow process but I'm so grateful for it and love it! Alhumdulillah. I hope everyone has the opportunity to get a proper religious education at some point in their lives.
There is no harm in a man having intercourse with two of his slave girls before he does washing. It is disapproved of, however, to go to a freewoman on another's day. There is no harm in making love first to one slave girl and then to another when one has not washed.
Muwatta Malik, Book 2, Hadith 90
I appreciate your transparency, especially because it can be a touchy subject for people to talk about. I went to an Islamic Sunday school regularly for about 7 years, so while it is different from your specific experience, I definitely had those feelings of belonging and community that I so desperately craved going to public school during the week.
There is no harm in a man having intercourse with two of his slave girls before he does washing. It is disapproved of, however, to go to a freewoman on another's day. There is no harm in making love first to one slave girl and then to another when one has not washed.
Muwatta Malik, Book 2, Hadith 90
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Khwaga 🍆
we also need to talk about the abuse that some children endure thru islamic schools because the adults were stuck in old school ways. i was subject to verbal abuse (yelling, name calling) by teachers and kids in other classes were subject to forms of physical abuse yet somehow all of this was okayed by our parents? wtf??
Corporal punishment is still a thing in America too. The Prophet ﷺ allowed this as a tool to discipline children if they don't obey you for when they reach the age of prayer and don't pray. If you have an issue with Islam it probably western ideologies got to you. We were created to see things from different perspectives for the sake of conversation and discussion but if you're bent on your own POVs then it's probably you who's brainwashed so much so you're not willing to even discuss a topic and dismiss it to simple "abuse" rather than discipline.
You would have to disbelieve in the entire concept of applied Shariah too then and that's literally kufr
In some they beat u luckily I never went to those
Most of the Arabs i've met are the loveliest and warmest people but even THEY acknowledged that there are many in their community that look down on indian/black Muslims. Kinda sad this mentality still exists but oh well, those types of people still have to answer to Allah swt at the end of the day lol. Just be patient! ❤
I don’t know who you think are Arabs but they come in many shades and colours.
Everyone looks down on Black people, sadly. We're safe nowhere except for Africa.
As a secular Jew up in Canada, I always enjoy and appreciate your perspective. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us.
I think a lot of the issues around Islamic schools in the past is that the method of teaching was very "old school". I would say many of the problems could be explained by that. The teachers came with an old-school mindset and they were not professionally trained teachers.
Fortunately, that has changed now, the teachers are a lot better and they actually make teaching fun.
I was in islamic schools from elementary to high school. What triggers me a lot is the never ending comments on what I'm wearing. What I'm supposed to wear when I'm praying for example and I just think: I was a kid back then! (Trousers/jeans were unacceptable) Before the age of 10 I didn't wear hijab, neither did any of my classmates, but it was a shame if any of the girls wore T-shirts to school. We would have felt naked. It made me feel so uncomfortable in my skin. I remember I was in my 20s when I first put some mascara and I felt like everyone notices it and it's probably too sexy or whatever. Until today I hear nasihas on that issue and it deeply disturbs me but I feel unable to speak up against it because I don't want to come across as "anti-islamic"
I wouldn't consider that anti-Islamic. You're simply calling out weirdos who overly sexualize young girls. It happens in every society.
You love your duniyah life so much even islam promotes modesty so yeah wearing jeans is not allowed and In amarican you have to be careful otherwise you will lose your imaan and if you don't like modest clothing then you haven't got your hidayat yet, may Allah guide you!
@@max-te8ibmax are you illiterate or you just deliberately missed the part where she said she was a child?
@@strawberrykun6136 she is supposed to wear mini skirt with sexy lingerie and full make up on face, very tight tank top with no inner garments if she don't like modesty then she might like this, may Allah make her happy with this thing as if she like it!
Yeah we know wearong anything and everything is haram for women @@max-te8ib
We appreciate your insights. We will support you no matter what. Somehow we need to take action on Islam degradation and discrimination against Islamic groups.
I don’t think you mentioned this, but it can be hard when your kids attend an Islamic school that follows a different madhab or fiqh than what you follow. Like if they are asharii and you’re athari. Or Hanifi and you’re hanbali. I’m going thru this now with my kids and there are some differences of opinion on attributes of Allah and beliefs (mawlid, wearing taweez, etc) and the kids are always going to believe their teachers are correct over mom and dad. That’s kinda rough and hard to navigate through. We all want the best for our kids, so even the minor differences in religious beliefs are important to us, but if the only Islamic school near you has a different viewpoint I guess you just have to accept it.
I always appreciate your videos, it's always a delight to watch them! I enjoy hearing about the topics you talk about and how you take time to consider the contexts and nuances :) always a fan!
You look nice
Please post your Arab Supremacy video again. This needs to be heard. The number of self hating desis I come across in the Gulf is bewildering. BTW, you were such a cute kid in that white hijab.
I hated the Islamic school I went to - because I wasn’t learning Arabic at the pace the other kids were learning it I was held back multiple times and I hated being the oldest kid in a room full of kindergartners. The only good things I remembered from it were the Hot Cheetos we got for snack time & finally leaving that place to be enrolled in public school 😅
I remember so much as a kid wishing I could go to an Islamic school (none were available when I was a kid, just a sort of slapdash Saturday morning school and a weeknight khaidah class) because I wanted to learn. I remember the little afternoon Qur'an class that was available shrunk every week until I was the only girl there! And not only that, but the only girl with like 5 teenage boys! The mullah never paid any attention to me and I would sit in a corner and read and struggle. A couple of the boys were very nice to me and helped me, but they were learning themselves! I had to quit because going there made me feel so bad.
aH it's better now, but I do fear that people are creating these bubbles and enclaves and their kids will be completely unprepared when they do hit the real world.
Nice to see a video from you again. I rarely comment, but what makes me wish to are the topics you covered and I'm glad you did.
I'm Arab but grew up in the UK, half of my chlidhood I was the minority amongst white people, the other half a minority amongst the south Asian community. Best friends in earlier childhood were white, then late in high school were South Asian etc. So in a way sort of the vice versa of your situation. I've had mixed experiences and have always identified as Muslim but have had a fair amount of religious trauma throughout life which has caused me to actively detach my faith from the community and make it private and personal only to myself. I still do to this day. I see my relationship with Allah as no one else's business and other's faith isnt any of my business either. I have mixed feelings about Islamic schools as I've only known how they were in the 90s, no idea now so I can't really comment too much, though I'd personally educate my kids independently about the understanding of Islam, ways of viewing things, etc.
I know I'm summarizing, I'm quite a private person and I'd only delve deeper in private conversations so i'm sorry if my comment doesnt sound as if i'm saying much... But I kinda felt like saying to you...'"I get you"..And that's also in response to a couple of your past videos when you talk about the South Asian/Eastern culture, colourism, pressure on women, etc.
Also I'm a fan of your little sister, I think she's cool and love seeing videos of you both together, the videos with you two bantering with each other just feel so natural and organic, I love that..
Apologies for such a long comment.
Salam.
I'm a pretty unexpected viewer ( Arab atheist haha) and I love how much I learn from your videos. I disagree with much of what you say but even despite that I love the way you articulate your perspective, and what you said about the Arab supremacy thing is unfortunately true. The one thing we can collectively do is to actively unlearn and educate ourselves against these prejudices.
i haven't watched the entire video yet but i also went to islamic school (although for 10 years) and it's one of THE most unique experiences ever. the only people that get it are other islamic school kids. what's interesting tho is i went to a majority indian/pakistani muslim school, and i was one of the very few arabs.
I am a doctor in India and I had to do some semesters in a low socio- economic areas as a part of community medicine curriculum. We were assigned a family each.
The family I was assigned was Islamic. They had two boys, I think they were 10 and 12 then and they didn’t go to a normal school but went to an Islamic school. The School didn’t teach them the prescribed curriculum. They were mostly taught about religion and that’s why were behind academically. It wasn’t my place to tell them which school they should be attending but I tried to tell the parents that their kids were not up to the level of education which they should be in.
You look cute
I feel like with kids, i wouldn't send them to any religious schools. I grew up in Morocco and we had islamic classes where we memorized surah and discussed religion on a kid level which I enjoyed but again the teachers were not the best human beings, idk why that always ends up being the case. Also Noor touched on this in her podcast too that there is no such thing as a muslim child just a child of Muslims because kids are not obligated to practice i know it's controversial but honestly kids just don't have mental capacities to intentionally follow a religion imo. And being pushed into a religion has the opposite effects on them, at the end only God can guide. Btw who are all these arabs that are butthurt about arab superiority because it definitely exists even among other arab countries (try be a morrocan or NA in the khaleej)
YES my mom was religious when I was still a child and I did things because I knew it would make HER happy. I memorized surahs to make HER happy. I went to masjid because she wanted me to. When I finally gained my independence I stopped doing all of it. I didn't want to HEAR about about Islam let alone practice it. Now I'm older and found Islam on my own and I practice it in my life but I continuously ask what will I do when I have my own children. I want to encourage without being like "oh if u pray you will make mommy so happy" u know? Like praying and whatnot should have nothing to do with me or anyone else. It's about Allah. I wish there was more emphasis put onto me about Allah and what it means to please Allah, not my parents.
This is such a damaging take. Raising children Islamically protects them from liberal and secular influences. Neither are you preaching Quran or Sunnah. You think the Prophet (pbuh) didn’t raise his kids Islamically? Or his grandkids?
Instead of not teaching them the religion because of your personal trauma and insecurities, why not get therapy and learn from the Hadith or works of scholars like Al Ghazzali how best to raise children.
"there is no such thing as a muslim child just a child of Muslims because kids are not obligated to practice". All children are born muslim. On the fitrah. This is a basic islamic concept. They may not have the mental faculties to read quran, pray etc. But their soul is pure and on the path of Allah.
>Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “No child is born but that he is upon natural instinct. His parents make him a Jew, or a Christian, or Magian. As an animal delivers a child with limbs intact, do you detect any flaws?” Then, Abu Huraira recited the verse, “The nature of Allah upon which he has set people,” (30:30).
Ibn Shihab said, “The funeral prayer should be offered for every child, even if he were the son of a prostitute, as he was born with a natural inclination towards Islam. If his parents are Muslims, or only his father and even if his mother practiced other than Islam, and if he cries after the delivery before his death, his funeral prayer must be offered. If the child does not cry after the delivery, his funeral prayer should not be offered and he will be considered a miscarriage.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 1358, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2658
You can have both. As a child you are taught a discipline and core values. You discover the religion for yourself later without putting in the hard work later that people are doing to find God.
I prayed cuz I have to. I cleaned cuz I have to. At the end of the day, what will parenting becoming? Just maintaining your kids physically? This is where we have gotten to
@dm_1236 It's not a damaging take, its an unislamic take. No Muslim who believes in Allah and the Last Day would say or believe this. Of course there is such a thing as a muslim child. All children are born Muslim as the Hadeeth of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم has stated. (Every child is born Muslim, but it's their father who makes them jews or Christians) That is why if a child dies when they are before the age of puberty, they enter into Jannah.
It's a very scary thing how many people will meet Allah thinking that they are Muslim but through actions and words, they might have left Islam long ago, my Allah protect us.
A teacher at an Islamic that my siblings went to, told a student your people only become cab drivers. The child had expressed dreams of becoming a doctor when they grow up…
I relate to a lot of this. Great video btw!
Perhaps send your kids to public school but on weekends you send to Islamic school?
approving prager u for schools is so insanely terrifying...
I literally haven’t even started listening to the entire video and yes I’m South African and went to Islamic school here and there are some brainwashing behaviour 💔 luckily primary schooling was very secular and my mother herself laid a good enough foundation for me to think independently. That being said Islamic school did set a strong values based foundation and a very protective environment which I am grateful for. Also, my education was broad enough that I tend to have a better understanding of other religions and respecting them, whereas my experience with some other people is unfortunately a sense of not being curious enough to educate themselves about other religions. Also, it set an amazing foundation for me to learn I tend to take on information and learn faster than my peers, I suspect the constant need to juggle both Islamic and secular subjects
Islam sis! I'm Moorish-American Moslem. 🇺🇲🇲🇦 These videos are so educational for me as a Moslem because we are in the process of building our own institutions for educating our young children. I really appreciate your perspective on Islamic schools, and mashallah i will take this information and bring it to my temple so we will take the good and leave the bad. Praise be to Allah!!!
The way my jaw dropped when you said about that teacher said if you Arab come give me a hug 😷🤧
im glad you made the video on arab supremacy. it was helpful to me
Thanks so much for this video! I always wondered what was like to go to an islamic school. As I went to public school the entire time I was in school.
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective!
This hit very hard, although I went to a small private Catholic school and now identify as an atheist, everything uou we’re saying just like punched me in the face because it’s my same story growing up pre k-college in Catholic school. Now as an adult I can finally identify abuse in a real true aspect (not what today people call abuse) growing up was a war going to school and still dealing with the indoctrination of the teachings and unfortunate physical, verbal, emotional and sexual abuse and now I understand it was wrong and abuse. Racism was also very prevalent, as well as the usual homophobia and very prominent shaming of those who were not wealthy. I am currently studying and hope soon to use my own experience to be a lawyer prosecuting sexual abusers in the Catholic Church/communities. It’s funny sometimes when people say oh I can tell you went to to private school because I never understood how they knew! But it’s very true i have those quirks😂 was very happy and felt a bit heard hearing your experience. Thank you!
Personally, my experience going to an Islamic School was great. Its so sad other schools are like this. Inshallah khair those schools get better.
Assalamu Alaikum
I have a giving loving community in my Christian church. Faith communities over this country gives selfless love. Unfortunately the US is increasingly secular. I am glad you were raised in such a community.
I don’t understand Americans. The country was built on the separation of church and state. It was always secular. If that wasn’t he case, your ancestors should have stayed in Europe
@@anzajamaa5001 I am not really sure what your problem was with my comment but I was sad that there are less and less people involved in faith communities. My comment had nothing to do with the state.
@@janetstephens7762 I agreed with that. I meant that the US has always been secular it was founded on It
@@anzajamaa5001secular yes but if u notice unlike some parts of Europe we allow showings of religious faith (looking at u France) more so than other secular countries unlike most countries where the ppl choose to take the religion there country built there culture off of and relegate it to the side IE secularism Americans did the same thing but for the opposite reason to keep the state away from religious folks business it's part of the reason why most of Europe is still yelling god is dead more than 100 years later lol and America's like nah ugh
Michael Jackson! There is a movie... "Sheikh Jackson." Hilarious scene where the sheikh is imagining MJ dancing behind him while he was leading prayer, and the congregation started dancing. Then he turned around and reacted to what he had seen in his head.
I wish I didn’t, but I always had beef with people from private schools (religious or not). There’s def 100% more religious pressure at religious schools, leaving little to no room for kids to navigate religion on their own. Also, kids from private schools never realize how financially privileged their families are. There’s a few Islamic schools near me, and not a single kid is from section 8 housing, has food stamps, or Medicaid. It’s frustrating when Muslims say their school is so “diverse” but close themselves off to the general public and issues less privileged people experience
the burping😂😂😂
I went to public school my entire life as a Muslim but I did go to Sunday school for a couple years (I am Desi and it was arab) ....when I went to high-school my peers from the masjid went to high-school after being in Islamic school and you could very much tell they were not used to it...the vibes were just different. It's like talking to a homeschooled kid in college...different social dynamics, things about their behavior...they tried to imitate instead of cultivating their personality and it was very obvious.
Loved this so much
I love your videos and thank you for sharing your talent and experiences with us ❤🌻
I went to a private girls boarding school in the early 70s. It taught me tolerance and opened my eyes to so many fascinating things. ❤ My parents were atheists, but they didn’t want to impose their beliefs on me. Therefore, I spent 2 years attending every religious service in the area ( no mosques in the area in those days). For a 15 year old girl, it was a toss up between Judaism and Episcopalism. The temple was next to a candy store - a big advantage for a kid. However, the Episcopalian church offered rock music. I ended up going for the “music”. That being said, 55 years later, I find myself as an agnostic. Ahhh, the irony! 😂
I AGREE, my school was also in an office and yes, charm does NOT fit it
I attended a religious private school until 8th grade, which in hindsight felt very indoctrinating. I didn't experience a secular school until high school which is I’m starting to realize is a unique experience
I have heard you speak about your regrets with making the arab supremacy video before, but from my admittedly ignorant perspective, i feel that you spoke about and underappreciated topic in a nuanced and balanced way. Someone needs to start the conversation, and since it is a difficult one that people have not learned to hold yet, those who speak on it first will likely make mistakes and certainly receive backlash from those who are not used to hearing criticisms about their unquestioned assumptions about their and/or their community's actions. Stay confident in yourself for searching for the truth and speaking up on the injustices you see. Your work and your words are meaningful to many
also i read through your comment section for the first time just now... i did not expect it to be such a critical (without critical thought) place. Its strange because i feel that often the followers reflect the quality of character of the content maker, but perhaps since you speak on the intersection of so many identities, your viewership draws from such a large crowd with a diversity of experiences and perspectives all of whom seem entitled to judge you on your arguments and morality and behavior. it is sad how easily people forget they they are imperfect, they they are not god with access to the truth to be able to judge you, and that no matter what you are a sister of Islam who is doing what she sees as right. people are missing the point if they think that one of the most important things to being a good Muslim is covering every stray hair and miss the importance of cultural heritage and personal expression and relation to modest and islam in how women wear hijab. We are not the Iranian government, nor should we be. Who would want to take away an individuals autonomy to choose the path of islam for themselves? certainly not the prophet (PBOH). And on top of it, your salvation is not dependent on pointing out what you perceive as other peoples failings but rather on charity, kindness, love, and living by example. I have the utmost admiration for you and appreciate you as a whole person who cannont be subsumed under stereotyped and inadequate labels used by the simple minded. Salam.
Excellent! I love your honesty and bravery. Islam is beautiful, but the way some South Asians project it on their children and their over-zealous ways does more harm than good.
I liked your perspective. I’m an Afro Latina convert married to an Arab living in the US. I’m highly considering an Islamic school for my kids so that they form that strong Muslim identity and don’t have to explain themselves (Eid, Ramadan, me wearing hijab, not participating in Christmas etc) to others in their early years. I also really want Islamic & Arabic education more often than just Sunday school. Sounds like you had some teachers who were not very educated in Islam and frightened you with cultural stuff.
Or you can homeschool 😊. You can homeschool the first few years. Then Islamic school until 8th grade. Then discuss with your husband and children what is the best for highschool: public school, Islamic school or back to homeschooling.
I really relate to the Michael Jackson essay I remember i used to love stampylongnose the Minecraft youtuber until I was told that his laugh was of shatan and he was the agent of the devil and as an 8 year old I was so conflicted on finding comfort in stampylongnose and trying to battle with religion because i felt so guilty like I was defying Allah for this and I'd be sent to hell.
I am
Arb myself but arab Christian..
I went to an islamic highschool and I'm from the UK alhamdulliah I never felt that superiority complex perhaps because we were all south Asians so overall I didn't have a bad experience but its unfortunate that you did. Maybe overall the islamic schools are better here in that sense but one problem I did have was the lack of quality education but I'm still very grateful that I went to that school
As someone who also went to an identity based private school some of this was really relatable, especially about how good it felt to have a community and on the other hand not feeling socially prepared for the world outside that community.
It is no different from christian school, I went to a christian school from K-4 then went to public school. Because of the bullying and the teachers calling a liar, and does nothing to help you. The private school was awful for me and my sister, and when we got to public school we were happier.
Assalamu alaykum sis, I am a revert & I am in a place in my life where I have been so isolated (& I don’t say that for pity points, actually it can feel quite safe & peaceful, I do have family, alhamdulilla) & I feel like it would at this point be easier for me to have a little circle of Muslim friends because then we can go out & everyone knows we pray 5x a day… I feel like if I were to make friends with non-Muslim people, it would almost be an awkward inconvenience to pray, & then there’s some incompatibilities like them wanting to drink, party, free mix, etc… so please don’t feel bad about not having a bunch of non-Muslim friends (18:00), having friends shouldn’t cost one’s Islamic values & ultimately one’s relationship with Allah.
I watched this video ultimately because one day I want to have children & I do not trust the secular public schools in the US especially in the PNW where I am from, it’s getting so out of hand. I found this helpful because I grew up Christian but all my schools were secular & I have been thinking of homeschooling but I am open to other things as well. JazakAllah khair for sharing
May Allah make it easy for you in your journey may Allah grant you a great Muslim community of people around you. I am a convert too but I was in a position to have sisters stay but it's hard.
My daughter is 3, homeschooling is the way for our family. I want to homeschool till 6 years as a bare minimum.
You are a convert, that revert is insulting because for those who don't know Muslims think all are born as Muslims and many are taking other religions. Of course, the truth is that all are born as agnostics and are religiously indoctrinated in some period of their life. My country is secular and two things are strictly forbidden in schools, drugs, and religion...
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10:30 What_is_the true meaning of community? This is a genuine question. Like, what is something that an average non-Muslim American would do, that a Muslim raised in a more collectivist environment would do differently?
Why not teach your children yourself, and supplement with sunday islamic school so they're around other muslim chidlren?
This is interesting. I didn't have this kind of upbringing (non-Muslim), but a lot of what you said seems similar to people who grew up in fundamentalist Christianity in a lot of ways. I'm surprised you didn't even learn about other sects of Islam. One thing I don't understand, is why the insistence on keeping the Quran in Arabic only? The Reformation lead to the Bible being translated into multiple languages. Why not do the same? Especially since Islam exists in so many countries where Arabic isn't the spoken language. I have seen English translations (I had one at some stage) but those seem geared towards reaching outsiders than those in group.
Wait. Birthdays aren’t haram? 😂😂😂😂 I’ve been feeling so guilty.
birthdays are haram because by celebrating them you are imitating the kafirs
What Islamic schools did u attend
Most ppl I know that went to private Islamic schools enjoyed the circle and comfort, but as I see them in college or the professional world, I kinda realized how close minded they can be and how they tend to exclude non-Muslims in settings. As a Muslim, I think Islamic school isn’t bad, but the sheltered parenting and refusing ur kids to not be friends with ppl of other faiths or ethnicities is the main issue
I only went to islamic school for ONE DAY. I had a teacher and 2 students bring up the fact I go to 'regular middle school' and talked nonsense like they were talking about how I probably have gone to school dances and went to the mall lol. I'm sorry but islamic school kids grow up weird and really for real do not know how to talk to people. I told my dad what happened and he went to their office, grabbed all my paperwork, and enrolled me in a regular school lol. He was thinking of having me try islamic school for a year.
I went to an Islamic School too but in England. I just left about a year ago and heading out into the real world of public school was a culture shock. I loved my time at Islamic School, I grew as an individual becoming more confident and intelligent. While, I didn't make close friends it made me who I am today. Also, mine was the opposite of your situation. My school was like 90% south Asian. The main problem for us was that the school was broke and the facilities were pretty rubbish. I left just in time because it closed down. Also, I don't know if it's an English Muslim thing but Masjids have like after school classes from like 5-7 pm during the week, to read quran in arabic and learn fiqh and aqaaid, I went for 7 years. Do you guys just have Islamic classes once a week in America?
American Born Confused Muslim (ABCM) 😂
Generational degradation at work
*SCHOOLS TEACH MUSLIM CHILDREN TO BE INFERIOR*
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Hay there, l liked you. My problem is that the majority of your content is no as relatable as it once was. Although I practice the same religion and had a childhood in the states, I still don’t feel as invested on the topics you mention in your videos, It’s sad because I love your sense of humor and your confidence so much, I wish if there was a way to lighten it up with perhaps vlogs and some silly stuff like the ones you used to make in the old days ❤
I liked that you pointed out the tools that we should teach our children with - arabic, quran etc. When i was growing up i think many things that were culturally connected was framed as being islamic and when we didnt conform we will end up in hell. I had some traumas even going through secular schools so i guess its just a matter of looking at the environment as a whole. I e if you have a goos Muslim community its better to go to an islamic school vice versa
Contradictory teaching leads to trauma
If you are Muslim, may I ask why you went to a Catholic school??????
So, non-Arab Muslims need to understand the cultural context of 7th century Arabia but they also have to be conscious to not confuse this cultural context with Islam, they are not the same. Also its important to understand that in the same as speaking reading and writing in English doesn't mean we are English persons, the same applies to very many peoples who speak Arabic -
Cultural imperialism, and that too from the 7th century and the propagation of ideas that seem designed to establish and maintain cultural statis is a tragedy for all Muslims but particularly for Non-Arab Muslims because they generally come.from.cultures with deeper, perhaps more rifined or sophisticated, relatively, cultures and history, I have in mind the kind of wholesale destruction of histories in Pakistan in the name of an Islam that's alien there, I mean our parents ans grand parents were also Muslims and they were ok with their cultural histories, its a shame that today Islam is more politcal and cultural ideology and almost bereft of it's central idea of Faith in God.
Islamic school or education is not a problem, its the content that at issue, a source of contention.
I have work and mix with many arabs . Being a Indian it was hard at times because our struggle is completely different than theirs. I have seen making fun of your food and somehow see us as a second class Muslim. I can write a article mentioning how blunt Arab food is . 😂just joking
Gurlllllll the teacher pushing hijab onto others is very fortunate that I wasn’t her student coz the way I woulda directly messaged her myself like mizz gorl bffr…
The religious trauma was so bad. I didn't want to be Muslim from ages 12 to 17.
I was also taught bdays were haram in my islamic school...but am hearing mixed opinions about it as an adult. What clarified the situation for you?
Islam brain cleans not brain wash.
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
I would say tat if u r putting ur kid in school with a focused community, have the kid exposed to other communities in other programs lik sports etc..
I don’t like the word, “brainwashing.” It’s not specific and easy to throw around. We’re all kind of “brainwashed” in a way, critical thinking has to be taught and is a skill that develops as it is practiced with age, at least hopefully LOL.
I can’t understand why your parents didn’t stay in your own country with your own people then you wouldn’t Geri uncomfortable makes sense to me religion should be left to the child to make up there own minds up not forced onto them I don’t feel the need for it there is more to life than religion
When you believe something is the truth, you teach it to your children. In your life, what do you deem to be true? What do you think is the best way to live life? Or do you generally not have an answer? What guidance would you give to your child when they ask you the numerous questions that come up as they navigate life.
For muslims, our life is islam. Maybe you can't comprehend it, but God is a non-ending reality in our lives. There's no life outside of God.
If people possessed truth, they wouldn't require belief & faith. Religious people are the most indoctrinated human demographic on the planet, it's kind of sickening..@@armstrongQB1
standard victim mentality
Did the Islamic school you attended encourage critical thinking?
No such thing, or else there wouldn't be a religious school
@@FactStorm I went to a catholic school and from my experience the teachers really encouraged us to think critically.
That's like going to an Islamic school, or Hitler Youth Camp and being told you were told to think critically..you cannot think critically within the confines of dogmatic ideology. If you were to really think critically, you wouldn't be in a religious school to begin with. Tell me how far they went with their open mindedness: what if you rejected the bible, Jesus, and the commandments? What if you rejected Mary's immaculate conception? Would your catholic school accept you?@@brooke3849
What's your opinion on LGBTQ+ community?
Religion should not be present in schools in secular countries. In my country 2 things are strictly forbidden in schools, drugs, and religion, I guess because both have the same effect on the ability for rational thinking.
Thats ridiculous. In schools you are taught the state religion and dogma anyway. What’s the difference? Go and tell people who went to a school that there are challenges with the ideologies considered normal or naturalised in schools and see how they defend their beliefs to death.
@@anzajamaa5001 In schools you are taught state religion???? Of course not...
I live in a secular country, we don't have a state religion, and it i strictly forbidden religion to be taught in basic and secondary schools. People may learn the philosophy of religion, sociology of religion, psychology of religion, but in universities. And there is higher education for priests but that is separated from the state. Here we follow a strict separation between religion and state, those two things should not be connected.
Tell us your thoughts on homosexuality, adultery and blasphemy and then tell me you’re “liberal” 😂
"boo hoo, I don't want people to be happy and get married everyone pity me" Get a job bb.
Since when do liberals support cheating?
Exactly. Islam is a cult.
Sister you should wear your hijab correctly, we can see your hair. May Allah swt guide us all.
It's honestly very odd you'd bring up Florida. When you were going to bring up schools, I would have expected you to bring up the clear LGBT indoctrination going on in schools. For example, Maryland where Muslim, Christian, Jewish, generally conservative and religious families were denied the OPT out option for certain sexual themed classes. It's gotten to the point where it's actually kinda scary. In Saskatchewan, Planned Parenthood leaflets depicting and educating middle to highschool students about a variety of LGBT sexual practices were revealed. Below is an excerpt from the article:
“Sex: From A-Z” is a deck of 26 cards with a sexual term (and accompanying cartoon) for every letter of the alphabet. The cards are targeted toward young people as a “discussion tool” in workshops, with the instruction to “affirm” and be “sex positive” about every one of the sex acts depicted. “Do not make fun of any of the topics, including ones you personally do not enjoy,” it reads, providing a sample phrase on how to properly react to some of the cards: “A lot of people think that’s really hot!” But several of the cards detail sex acts involving domination and risky sex, as well as urine and fecal matter. “Snowballing” gets the “s” card. “Yellow and brown showers,” which describing urinating and defecating on a sex partner, are paired with the instruction to “keep them on the outside of your body.” The “f” card is for felching. The “I” card is “irrumatio,” an aggressive form of oral sex.
All this to say, Florida is seemingly a safer place to send kids to schools as a religious parent if you want less indoctrination than in many places in the west. Especially when it comes to sexuality and liberalism.
Attacking and manipulating vulnerable children's sexuality and traditional values is the best way for them to leave their religions, family traditions, and leave and warp their identities altogether when they reach adulthood. I'm shocked a Muslim woman can't see this?
because americans follow american islam, like indians follow indian islam ect. culture has an effect sometimes regardless of the faith.
This sister, may Allah guide her.
20:27 Ummm this is the problem with liberal Muslims… Islam has a diversity of thought already. Allah tells you about other nations and to ponder about them. This is not a Western/liberal-secular concepts.
The problem is that the West is so open minded it’s brain is falling out. Muslims should stay steadfast and teach their children from Quran and Hadith.
PragerU does not spread misinformation… Just because a title does not align with your beliefs or opinions. I encourage you to watch those clips. Truth is truth and Jesus is truth. Many blessings to you and thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I am happy your parents invested in you a non secular education.
Hilarious how you are just as indoctrinated as these Muslims. You are so gullible..and PragerU is full of both misinformation & disinformation. Are you ever going to grow up?
Well clearly you're liberal.
That word gets thrown around so much it has no meaning. Do you mean by it that she doesn't hate people who are different from her?
@eastvandb I mean she's clearly has someone against conservatives based on her words. As a muslim she shouldn't be again what Florida is doing. The governor simply saying don't teach gay shit in school.
@@michaelwilcox8187 she for the most part brushed over the gay part
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'cause she knows some people are gonna freak out, but from a generation that's mostly way too smart to hate gay and trans people.
@@bevs9995does she need to focus on that? She’s talking about her experience
20:27 Ummm this is the problem with liberal Muslims… Islam has a diversity of thought already. Allah tells you about other nations and to ponder about them. This is not a Western/liberal-secular concepts.
The problem is that the West is so open minded it’s brain is falling out. Muslims should stay steadfast and teach their children from Quran and Hadith.
It's such a shame to see sisters so lockstep with the liberal ideology. It's so annoying man. Seeing a non-liberal muslim woman is so rare these days. And it's amazing at how much it warps their interpretation of islam.
You are so brainwashed, but that's typical of religious people. There's no reasoning with you..
@@armstrongQB1 It's not about liberal or conservative. It's whether you truly believe in Islam and are willing to follow it. There are bad Muslims both conservative and liberal who stray away from the teachings of Islam. Solely judging a person on their political stance does not determine how well of a Muslim they are.
@@armstrongQB1 it's a scary thing. So many are believing things that are in direct opposition to islam.
Somehow all of you so called 'True Muslims uncucked by the west' all speak perfect English and live in western country 💀 always shitting in the same bowl you eat from.